[PLUG-TALK] Re: [PLUG] Sounds good to me ;)

J Henshaw jeff at jhenshaw.com
Wed Jun 19 00:47:17 UTC 2002


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From: "Jeme A Brelin" <jeme at brelin.net>
To: "PLUG off-topic discussion" <plug-talk at lists.pdxlinux.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [PLUG-TALK] Re: [PLUG] Sounds good to me ;)


>
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, J Henshaw wrote:
> > First,  you can't steal what no one owns.
> > Care to dispute that?  Go look up theft in Webster's.
> > Then we'll take the next point.
>
> I think you're stuck in your own perception of property.

I know I am freed by it


>
> You believe that property is either owned or not and if nobody claims
> ownership, there is no claim of any sort.

Well,  that is sorta the general meaning of the word,  okay then...
Citizen: "Officer,  I would like to report a robbery"
Officer: "By whose definition"


>
> I've been trying to express to you that there are OTHER philosophies of
> property that have nothing to do with the European tradition of private
> property.  The Native Americans had one of these OTHER philosophies.

I am a native american,  get over it

>
> They're general philosophy was that no individual could claim ownership of
> the land because the land is forever.  It is not a thing man made and
> therefore it is not a thing over which humankind can claim dominion.

Neither is my spirit man-made,  and no corporation will turn me into a
zombie
Neither is the wheat we harvest man-made but it defies you definition of
"new math" ownership.

>
> Claiming dominion over the land occupied and used by the Natives of this
> continent was a violation; an invasion.

Again,  all one continenet at one time,   before the races were split


Claiming land for an individual
> person that is not in the dominion of humankind is theft from the commons.
>
> Consider the European invasion of North America as a massive Denial of
> Service attack.
>
> J.

Consider your mental block massive denial







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