[PLUG-TALK] Re: [PLUG] Sounds good to me ;)

J Henshaw jeff at jhenshaw.com
Wed Jun 19 10:41:45 UTC 2002


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From: "Jeremy Miller" <jmlizard1 at attbi.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:15 AM
Subject: [PLUG-TALK] Re: [PLUG] Sounds good to me ;)


> > > Dallas parade I saw on Maximum Exposure or the Compton riots after
> the
> > > Rodney King verdict.
> >
> > Nevermind the fact that white europeans have oppressed the blacks of
> >this
> >country, and many times they are reacting to that oppression in the
> >only way
> >they can.
>
> > Well I would hope that they would react to something that happened in
> > our lifetime
>
>
> Me too.  We can't do much to correct past wrongs.  Other than admit
> wrong and try to move on.  And learn from the mistake.
>
> But in the case of the Rodney King riot at least... they were. (Right or
> wrong, their cause was most definitely in their lifetime.)  I was in
> southern califonia at the time, and saw a little bit of it.  (Admittedly
> not Compton, and the display I saw was pretty weak.  But there was
> definitely an angry mob.  They just held themselves in check and didn't
> damage anything other than sensitive ears.)
>
>
> >  because the first slaves were Slavs
>
> I'm not so sure about that.  I've heard it before, but I don't remember
> the reasoning behind it.  I know many that would say the Hebrews in
> Exodus were the first... but I'm not positive of that either.
>
> But I'm more sure of that, or that there are other early instances, than
> I am that Slavs were the first slaves.
>
>
> > and I don't have any raping
> >  my friends lately or on the news this morning either.
>
> No.  (And I'm truly sorry to hear about that.)  But a Slav is certainly
> just as capable of doing both as anyone else.  And just as capable of
> being an illegal immigrant, or starting a riot for some reason.
>
>
> > You put quotes around "breaking the law" for what reason?
>
> I don't know why he did.  But I don't mind them, because it is possible
> for our government and the enforcers of the law to err in judgement.
> They could determine an illegal riot (in need of breaking up) is
> underway, while participants could argue they are excercizing their
> first amendment rights to peaceably assemble in protest.  (I draw the
> line at threatening to injure persons or destroy property.  Anything
> short of that is legal. Enforcement might claim otherwise. Until a court
> decides who is correct, quotes nicely bring attention to the fact that
> the statement is in dispute.
>
>
> >Is it legal to kick white people to death if you're black?
>
> No.
>
> >Are you so full of hate?
>
> I didn't see anything implying that he was.
>
> >Skin color led up to it.
>
> Sometimes it does.  Racism abounds... and it's not all one way.  You're
> pointing one direction very well.  Others are pointing the other way.
> Unfortunately, all are true.
>
>
> >In the school districts here there is a man who was told he had nothing
> > to say because he was white;
>
> Definitely wrong.
>
> >  he is the school board president.
>
> Interesting.  Do you have a referential link with more details?  That's
> pretty bad.

I could introduce you to him.

>
> >In other words,  he was told by this woman at the school board meeting
> > that he was being judged solely by his skin color,
>
> Yes
>
> > and that she hated him for his skin color
>
> I wouldn't go that far with it. He was told that she gave his opinion
> zero value, for reason of his skin color.  Pretty bad, but she hated
> him.  For any reason.  I can see a distinction.
>
>
> >And so it goes,  the illness is ok when it's poor immigrants or blacks
> > whose great great grandfather was the son of a slave,
>
> I don't think so.  And believe that puts us in agreement on that.  I do
> realize that some people think that way.  I do not assume that any
> person thinks that way based on observations that they have some things
> in common with those that do.
>
>
> >  the only people ever
> enslaved.
>
> Not by a long shot.
>
> > Oh ya,  Slavs were.
>
> Among many others.
>
>
> > Ever travelled in Compton? How about the lower east side of Chicago?
> > Yes,  and Oakland.
> > Funny you should ask.  Why do you?  Were you also attacked for your
> >skin
> color?
>
> Yes.  In Japan, while walking down a street toward a vending machine, 2
> cars stopped out of the blue.  I was jumped and surrounded by
> approximately 10 black men, and dealt blows (a few returned, of course)
> by the 3 largest guys. Accompanied by various racial slurs and related
> rantings.  Apparently for no reason other than the fun of ganging up on
> a white dude.

And this is a known result of multiculturalism,  matter of fact Lincoln
wanted to send all the Africans back to their homeland.
Probably why he was killed.

>
> Quite shameful.  Luckily, I don't go down very easy and the episode
> didn't last very long.  Approximately 10 friends of mine of various
> races (including black) happened to look my way, see what was going on,
> and head that direction.
>
> Like a bunch of cowards afraid of a more equal matchup, they jumped back
> in their cars and fled the scene.
>
> A rather strange experience, to say the least.
>
> >Did you approve of this animal behavior?
>
> Of course not.
>
> But I harbor no ill feelings (or wishes) about the matter towards any
> black persons other than the ones that did it.  Other than carry the
> knowledge that people like that exist.  I don't make the mistake of
> believing any race or culture of people is lacking in those types of
> people, either.
>
>
> As long as we're telling stories and anecdotes, I've also had a cop grab
> me from behind, throw me up against a wall, and do a pretty fair job of
> trying to stick a 9 millimeter in my nasal passageways.  (It was an
> honest mistake... I admit that I matched the description pretty well,
> and that the real perp was probably pretty dangerous. Still, the gun in
> my nose was a little much.)
>
> I don't hate cops because of it.  I didn't sue or whine about it,
> either.  I was apologized to profusely, after standing around in public
> wearing handcuffs for an hour or so.  That was enough.
>
>
> > > It is a minor side issue that you didn't hear it on the news and
> that
> > > whenever there is black on white crime they don't show the picture
> of
> the
> > > perpetrator.
> > What do you mean? They do it all the time. In fact, just this morning
> > they had a mug shot of a black guy that did something to some white >
> people.
>
> >My point exactly,  what's yours.
>
> Um... you said that whenever X, they don't Y.  He gave an immediate
> example of X where they did Y.  I thought that was pretty clear.

I am using his example to make half my point anyway,  the proliferation of
black on white violence,  so they showed his face in our local news,  well-
good.

>
> I think that arguing this particular point is probably a waste of time.
> I know I've seen both myself.

My problem is with the people who call themselves men who will stand around
vastly outnumbering the criminals who would beat your sister to death and
onlook paralyzed by their liberalness

They are not men by my definition. Not even human.
Zombies more appropriately.


>
> > I don't recall seeing anything on the news about the black fellow  who
> > jumped out of my friend's 13 yr old daughters window at 3AM one
> morning,  he
> was
>
>
> The white dude (non-illegal immigrant) that brutally beat and raped one
> of my best friends (and housemates) in Georgia never made the news
> either.  I had to wash her bloody clothes and spend months helping her
> get her confidence back.
>


fbi.gov will show the massively skewed proportion of black on white
violence.
But I know there is both kinds,  and it is all wrong of course.
But a liberal will not admit it is skewed heavily in one direction.
This is why I use terms like "mental block".

>
> > > also an univited immigrant and a statutory rapist.
>
> If the person did not rape this young girl, please clarify.  (If so,
> please do not... and I understand why you didn't.)  Is he a statutory
> rapist because of this instance, or was it something else on his
> record?  "Statutory rapist" refers to someone of legal age having sexual
> relations with someone who is not, regardless of consent or lack of it.
> (The rules on this are confusing and vary from state to state.  It can
> and does easily include two persons of similar age that intend to marry,
> but are not yet of legal age to do so in their home state... even though
> they would be in another.  Maybe not right, but I don't really consider
> that rape in my book.)

He was 20 years of age and she was 13

He was a home invader,  he had no permission to be there.


>
> Usually the term rapist on it's own covers all forms of non-consentual
> sexual relations (far too tame a term for violence, but it is accurate)
> regardless of age.  (This is the only reason I ask... to clarify which
> you mean.  I think I know, but want to be sure I understand the
> encounter and what you mean by it.)
>
> Again, skip this paragraph if you like, and I'll drop it.
>
>
> > Hmm. Well, the fact that he was black is irrelevant except for id
> > purposes.
>
> >Oh well the fact that I would have killed him would be.
>
> I'd still say the fact that he was black is irrelevant.  I'd have killed
> him whether he was black, white, yellow, spotted, or glowing
> incandescent.

I point it out ( race) only because it is politically incorrect to do so.


>
> > Entering >uninvited
> >again,  seems to be a common theme with criminals.
>
> Not to mention some relatives. :)
>
> (Yes, I see exactly what you mean.  But many crimes have nothing to do
> with uninvited entry. And not every uninvited entry is criminal.)
>
>

True but my point goes more to the macro scale of a country's borders.
The same issues and behaviors only different fron door or window is being
crawled through,  see?


> > > What dream world are you living in?
> >
> > It's one you might try. It's called reality, with a hefty helping of
> >realism.
>
> A bitter but very neccessary pill.  Best washed down with a tall glass
> of hope.
>

Amen.






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