[PLUG-TALK] Fair Use, etc.

Russ Johnson russj at dimstar.net
Thu Mar 28 23:23:29 UTC 2002


On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 14:03, J.A. Henshaw wrote:
> pay your taxes (rent)

This is so far from rent it's not even funny. I've been paying rent now
for 20 years. What have I to show for it. I'd GLADLY trade my rent
payment for a house payment and tax payment. At least then I'd be
getting something for my money.

> follow the building codes ( setbacks, fencelines, etc)

Yeah, those are the price we pay for living in a society. It also is
somewhat based on safety. 

> the health codes (septic, water etc)

Again, this is for safety and health reasons. Can you imagine what
Portland would look like if everyone just drained their toilets into the
gutter?

> the penal codes ( grow marijuana, etc)

Well, duh.

> What else do you "own" that you need permission to do things 
> with?

How about my car? I have to have a license to drive it. I have to
register the vehicle to drive it on public streets. I pay taxes on it
each time I put gas in it. 

> However,  the above is food for thought,  and not meant to 
> be proof.

It's not proof. It's spurious at best.

> I sense that you are genuinely interested in this and not 
> merely being rhetorical,  so if you want the entire 
> enchilada I will be more than happy to give you the history 
> and the proof.

Yes, I am interested. However, be warned that any proof that requires
anarchy will not fly with me.

> >>Oh really?  Again,  I think the rest of the world agrees 
> >>that Marx was a communist.
> >>
> > 
> > No, Marx was a socialist. His dream was communism, achieved through
> > socialist methods. 
> > 
> > America is more socialist now than it was 100 years ago. 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Same thing, whatever you say.  Is there a significant 
> distinction?

Socialism is when the government provides everything for the people.
There is still someone (or group) in charge, and they decide what's best
for the people.

Communism is when everyone is equal, and no one is in charge. 

In my opinion, Socialism can be achieved in this country (and is in many
ways. E.G. Welfare). 

Communism can't be achieved. Humans want to be in charge. They want a
hierarchy of power. 

> Either one is antithetical to the constitution.

How do you explain the rampant socialism coming out of Washington?






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