[PLUG-TALK] Fair Use, etc.

Russ Johnson russj at dimstar.net
Fri Mar 29 03:48:36 UTC 2002


At 04:43 PM 3/28/2002 -0800, you wrote:

>On 28 Mar 2002, Russ Johnson wrote:
> > I believe you are confusing communism with socialism.
>
>I believe you are confusing socialism with fascism.

I don't think so.

"Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the 
nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other 
loyalties." (http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/whatfasc.html)

Nowhere in my definitions is there anything to do with race, country, or 
any sort of fanaticism.

> > This is common, as many people believe the folks in the former USSR
> > were communists. They were not. They never made it to communism (as
> > Marx and Stalin claimed to want.) from socialism. This is why they
> > were called, "United Soviet Socialists Republic" or USSR.
>
>What we call Soviet-style Socialism wasn't really socialist at all because
>power never resided in the hands of the proletariat.

So you are also saying that the US style "social" programs are not socialist?

My definition falls in with the page I referenced previously. 
http://www.visi.com/~contra_m/pc/1957/3-2socialism.html

> > In communism, everyone owns everything, and everyone has access to all
> > goods and services.
>
>That's a good enough definition, sure.  I would refine it just a little to
>say that no party can control the means of meeting human needs.

And that (again) is where it will fail. Just as anarchy will fail. It 
relies on people being "good". People are greedy.

> > In socialism, the state owns everything, and the state decides what
> > you get or don't get.
>
>That's only half of it.  Socialism also has the requirement that the state
>be run by the workers.

Not according to http://www.visi.com/~contra_m/pc/1957/3-2socialism.html.


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