[Fwd: Re: [PLUG-TALK] Fair Use, etc.]
J.A. Henshaw
jeff at jhenshaw.com
Fri Mar 29 09:22:08 UTC 2002
I sent this earlier and it was too long and I got a message
about a moderator having to read it first; I trimmed the
content
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [PLUG-TALK] Fair Use, etc.
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:44:54 -0800
From: "J.A. Henshaw" <jeff at jhenshaw.com>
To: plug-talk at lists.pdxlinux.org
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Russ Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 14:03, J.A. Henshaw wrote:
>
>>pay your taxes (rent)
>>
>
> This is so far from rent it's not even funny. I've been
paying rent now
> for 20 years. What have I to show for it. I'd GLADLY
trade my rent
> payment for a house payment and tax payment. At least
then I'd be
> getting something for my money.
>
Something, maybe... but not land ownership. I am still correct.
>
>>follow the building codes ( setbacks, fencelines, etc)
>>
>
> Yeah, those are the price we pay for living in a society.
It also is
> somewhat based on safety.
>
Yes, I know.. freedom for safety, yada yada Patrick Henry
had a few words for you.
>
>>the health codes (septic, water etc)
>>
>
> Again, this is for safety and health reasons. Can you
imagine what
> Portland would look like if everyone just drained their
toilets into the
> gutter?
>
Hmm, 1921 they passed some building codes, and prior to
that all Americans waded through their own feces every day
right?
>
>>the penal codes ( grow marijuana, etc)
>>
>
> Well, duh.
>
Well, duh, this is *only* unconstitutional. But gee golly
whiz, we are safe from those nasty green plants while the
MJTF attacks your neighbors with machine guns and
helicopters.... what do I say to you?
>
>>What else do you "own" that you need permission to do things
>>with?
>>
>
> How about my car? I have to have a license to drive it. I
have to
> register the vehicle to drive it on public streets. I pay
taxes on it
> each time I put gas in it.
>
Terrible example.. I have addressed this briefly already,
and I tried to explain driving an it's legal definition.
I don't think you care, you want safety in exchange for
freedom.
See above reference to Patrick Henry.
I ask you this: If the jails are overcrowded with drunk
drivers, what has your licensing scheme achieved?
Safety?
>
>>However, the above is food for thought, and not meant to
>>be proof.
>>
>
> It's not proof. It's spurious at best.
>
>
Spurious? Patrick Henry is spurious too then. I would
rather be associated with him than a person who gladly licks
the hands that feed him.
( May your chains rest lightly)
>>I sense that you are genuinely interested in this and not
>>merely being rhetorical, so if you want the entire
>>enchilada I will be more than happy to give you the history
>>and the proof.
>>
>
> Yes, I am interested. However, be warned that any proof
that requires
> anarchy will not fly with me.
>
>
I strongly suspect that you consider constitutional
authority anarchy.
I feel the opposite.
>>>>Oh really? Again, I think the rest of the world agrees
>>>>that Marx was a communist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>No, Marx was a socialist. His dream was communism,
achieved through
>>>socialist methods.
>>>
>>>America is more socialist now than it was 100 years ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Same thing, whatever you say. Is there a significant
>>distinction?
>>
>
> Socialism is when the government provides everything for
the people.
> There is still someone (or group) in charge, and they
decide what's best
> for the people.
>
> Communism is when everyone is equal, and no one is in
charge.
>
> In my opinion, Socialism can be achieved in this country
(and is in many
> ways. E.G. Welfare).
>
> Communism can't be achieved. Humans want to be in charge.
They want a
> hierarchy of power.
>
>
>>Either one is antithetical to the constitution.
>>
>
> How do you explain the rampant socialism coming out of
Washington?
>
>
That has been my message all along, the law is not applied
and you have socialism to show for it.
Now you show me that you don't get it.
I am exasperated.
The text below addresses many of your questions:
The Economic Rape of America - Chapter Nine
GOVERNMENT RAPE, ANARCHY, AND MURDER
http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/rape9.shtml
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