[PLUG-TALK] reliance on technology (was: Redhat changes, fedora)
Russ Johnson
russj at dimstar.net
Wed Nov 5 23:48:14 UTC 2003
* Jeme A Brelin <jeme at brelin.net> [2003-11-05 14:29]:
> On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Russ Johnson wrote:
> > I'm human, and sometimes I forget to hit "L". When I don't, and hit "g",
> > this list sends to everyone in the message. Worse, if I hit "r", it
> > sends to your only. Most of the lists I'm on respond to the list when I
> > hit "r".
>
> Perhaps you should use a mail client that actually honors the Reply-To:
> header as per RFC.
My mail client (mutt btw) is perfectly capable. It's set up to do
exactly what it does.
> > Once they figure that out, and start to get some practical experience on
> > how things really work, things get better.
>
> ...and it doesn't take much time for a reasonably intelligent person.
I should tell you how many times I've heard the phrase, "But that's not
how we learned it in college!"
> > You won't believe me until you are older.
>
> That's condescending bullshit, Russell. You're trying to one-up me and
> the only thing you've got on me is a few years, so you try to leverage
> that where it doesn't matter at all.
I suggest that it does matter. There's a reason the Native Americans
held their elders in such high esteem. I think the fact that honoring
our elders has gone out of vogue, at least in this country, is a bad
thing.
Many people have very high ideals that just aren't practical, given the
situation we are currently in. Maybe that will change, maybe it won't.
I've been listening to folks try to change the world for nearly 40
years, and it hasn't changed that much. If anything, it's gotten farther
away from these "ideals" that "they" wanted.
I'm not saying don't try. You think you have a better idea, go for it.
If it makes sense, folks will do it. If enough folks do it, well, maybe
it was a good idea.
> >> If you're not setting yourself up for failure, your goals are too low.
> >
> > There's also a difference between having realistic goals, and
> > unattainable goals. I choose realistic goals.
>
> Then you'll never be better than you imagined.
I suggest that you can't be better than you imagine. You have to try
something before you know if you can do it or not, and if you try it,
you've imagined it.
> > Repeated failure is one path to depression. That's not a path I choose.
>
> If you understand in advance that perfection is unatainable, there is no
> failure.
Not succeeding is failing.
>
> >> But you can try... and keep trying. And try to stay away from stuff that
> >> you believe you can't ever understand.
Do, or do not. There is no try. -- Yoda.
> > There are certain things I'm simply not interested in learning how they
> > work, yet I want to benefit from the device.
>
> Then you're willfully ignorant and a leech.
We've disagreed on this before. I don't believe I have to learn all that
is learnable. Geez, that's another movie quote.
> > Ever heard of training wheels? My bike had them until I was almost four.
>
> Ah. That's not a bicycle, but I get your drift.
How is that not a bicycle? The training wheels are temporary. I've never
heard anyone say that bolting on training wheels truns a bike into
something else.
> >> I think that anyone can understand and explain how a bicycle works by
> >> 5... at least one without an internally geared hub or indexed
> >> derailleur.
> >
> > Can they take it apart and put it back together without help?
>
> That's not important yet. That can be learned relatively quickly when the
> need arises.
But then they don't understand the bicycle fully.
> Balance isn't something that needs description. The basics to describing
> how a bicycle works are the simple chain drive (for bikes with those) and
> the gyroscopic force. That's it. Kids can get that by four.
SOME kids can get gyroscopic effect by four. But my contention is that
knowing what gyroscopic effect is, and how it is applied in the use of a
bicycle are not needed to use a bicycle.
--
Russ Johnson
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