[PLUG-TALK] Michael, On the subject of God.
Russ Johnson
russj at dimstar.net
Fri Nov 14 19:13:06 UTC 2003
* Michael C. Robinson <michael at robinson-west.com> [2003-11-14 10:40]:
> On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 10:13, Russ Johnson wrote:
> > * Michael C. Robinson <michael at robinson-west.com> [2003-11-14 09:31]:
> > > Why are you putting limitations on God Russ? Just because
> > > he knows multiple possibilities does that mean he doesn't
> > > know which one?
> >
> > And if he knows which one you will choose, you've just given up free
> > will. It also precludes "multiple possibilities".
>
> Now your just acting like Jeme.
Please. Because I shoot holes in your theory?
> Just because one outcome out of
> a set of outcomes occurs, that does not prove there was only one
> possible outcome.
Thank you for proving my point.
However, that DOES preclude any being from knowing what you will do.
Let's say god has the ability to see all time, as you claim.
He sees a decision looming for you, and the decision you will make.
Now, if he sees that decision, then how could you make a different
decision when you get to that point in time?
> If we are predestined, why did Judas, whom
> Jesus loved, go to Hell?
You have to believe in heaven and hell before you can believe that he
did so. I believe in neither.
> If I know you're going to make choices,
> but I'm not around to influence you, have I influenced those
> choices?
That's a different argument. We're not discussing influence. We're
discussing pre-destiny vs. free-will.
> Is always knowing alone what choices your going
> to make change those choices?
No, but if some being knows what you will decide, then you don't have
free will. The choice is set. If god knows you will choose 'a', then you
CAN'T choose 'b'. You may 'think' you've chosen, but god knew it, so you
didn't make a choice. Your choice was predestined. i.e It was already
made, because god knew what you would do.
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