[PLUG-TALK] Re: [PLUG] The list needs moderation...
Jeme A Brelin
jeme at brelin.net
Sun Nov 30 01:01:14 UTC 2003
Last post in this thread on this list. Promise.
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Michael C. Robinson wrote:
> > There is no mission statement for the PLUG list. Also, I believe
> > freedom is the watch-word around the Free Software movement, so being
> > "ultra liberal" (i.e. ultra free) is exactly the goal.
>
> Wrong. We are a Unix/Linux community...
I'm not wrong. The list has no mission statement.
> Do lack of restrictions always equate to freedom?
Yep.
Freedom means being free to do good or ill. The distinction between the
two is personal choice, hence increasing choice means increasing freedom
and removing barriers to doing good as well as ill.
> I imagine if gravity were taken away from the earth that a lot of people
> would be upset with that, but it is technically a restriction.
Um, so?
I think that if people could choose between having gravity effect them and
not having gravity effect them individually at particular moments in time,
that would be a great thing. Unfortunately, it's just not an option right
now. That would be an amazing increase in liberty and a great benefit to
mankind.
> If the list admin blocked you occasionally, I'm not sure people would
> complain that much though Mr. Brelin.
You don't get it. They wouldn't know they should complain because they
wouldn't know I'd been blocked or why. They would have an imposed
ignorance.
> BTW, doesn't anyone who asks for help on plug list risk a diatribe from
> you Jeme.
Everyone who posts to a public list risks responses from everyone else on
that list. Everyone who posts to a publicly archived list risks responses
from everyone else in the world.
That's what we turtles get for poking our heads out of our shells.
> Is is possible that you are a unique pain in the neck on this list where
> it is within your own unique style to post that a woman called herself a
> pervert but that isn't derogatory where you still haven't explained what
> non offensive thing she supposedly meant for all the uneducated elitist
> punks out there ;-)
Why are you so interested in this woman's lifestyle?
I'll give you the Reader's Digest version: She and her husband have a
dominant/submissive relationship (this transcends sexuality and permeates
their every action) and associate with many other people with similar
lifestyles. That community uses the term "pervert" to define its
membership. They are happy with themselves and use the term mostly
ironically.
Are you happy? Is your prurient curiousity satisfied?
It's sort of like something being really good and calling it "the shit".
People use ugly terms to describe good things all the time.
> As far as people who can't reason for themselves, I nominate you as
> president.
I'm an anarchist, Michael. My first act as President would be to dissolve
the hierarchy.
> Wait a minute, you don't believe people reason at all.
Sure, I do. No idea where you got that. People are reasoning machines.
Some people just don't have the same wiring as others, so they get all
kinds of logic errors.
> Didn't you once say we're all just chemical formulas?
No, a chemical formula is an abstract representation devised by human
beings to describe the relationships of chemicals. A person is not an
abstract representation, but an actual arrangement of chemicals and
electrical charges.
This is something that has been shown through a process we call "science".
The beautiful thing about this process is that you can change what
everyone who follows the process believes just by supplying better proof
for the alternative view. This is how we approximate truth.
Some people say that as science progresses, it gets closer and closer to
describing objective reality. I think that's pretty arrogant, though, and
believe that as science progresses it gets closer and closer to describing
shared human perspective. I guess some people (in both camps) believe
that, since we cannot tell the difference between the two, it doesn't
matter which is correct.
> You're world totally inhales.
Is that english?
J.
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