Was [PLUG-TALK] I don't like a certain change on plug...

Russ Johnson russj at dimstar.net
Sat Nov 13 00:03:02 UTC 2004


Darkhorse wrote:

>>Yes, and that's because the heterosexuals of the world would run over 
>>and sweep aside the homosexuals.
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>Are you paranoid or something?  I have a very good homosexual friend. 
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Is he a friend, or is he a homosexual friend? There's a big and 
important difference.

>He's very kind.  He never pushed homosexuality on me which
>I frankly appreciate.  I would not be surprised if he chooses to live
>as a brother with the men he has purchased property with.
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So he won't love his lover? I find that hard to believe.

>  No matter
>what your sexual orientation, you can choose how to live your life.
>Everyone needs to live their life with an eye toward God.
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Assuming there's a god. I don't make that assumption.

>Equality goes out the window if the discussion turns to lifestyle.
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You don't get it. This isn't a "lifestyle". They don't choose to be gay. 
They were made that way. By your god if you so choose to believe.

>>Remember when King George was taxing the Americans, and we threw the tea 
>>in the harbor? We were letting him know that we were being ignored and 
>>we weren't going to stand for it.
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>George Bush won, he got a mandate from the 
>American people by taking both the electoral and the popular vote. 
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And this matter with regards to the Boston Tea Party how?

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>>>We have had President's day, Veteran's day, etc. far longer than
>>>any gay pride day.
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>>And that makes it less important? What about MLK Jr day? Is that less 
>>important because it's been around less time?
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>MLK Jr. Day is important because it's a legitimate holiday.
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Why is Gay Pride Day any less legitimate?

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>>Neither was Earth day for quite some time.
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>Earth Day is also a legitimate holiday and Teddy Roosevelt put a lot
>of land into National Parks.  There are environmental Republicans,
>Libertarians, Socialists, etc.  I'm a strong environmentalist.
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According to the "founder of earth day" it didn't start until 1962. Is 
it still legitimate? That's somewhat after Teddy.

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>>>Lifestyle is different than skin color and does not fall under 
>>>the discrimation umbrella the same way.  Lifestyle is something 
>>>people can and do judge.  Unlike physical attributes such as 
>>>skin color, lifestyle can and usually does follow a person's 
>>>character.
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>>So you are saying people "choose" to be gay? Um, you are more ignorant 
>>that I had originally thought.
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>Identifying as a homosexual is not a problem morally.  The problem comes
>in when you demean marriage and attack society for your own selfish
>desires by becoming a sexually active homosexual.
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How would it harm you? Answer that one...

>Casual sex rejects that humans are monogamous creatures and that deep
>emotional scars can be left by using someone without marriage and
>without any openness to their needs and to God.
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There's that god thing again.

Humans are NOT monogamous. Not by nature.

I'm not using anyone any more than they are using me.

>We are monogamous, not polygamous.
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I know some very successful polyamorous people. They are very happy.

>  Sex isn't a drug unless you're abusing it.
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Yes, it is a drug. The endorphins released during orgasm are very much 
like those found in heroin addicts.

>Homosexual marriage does not work, homosexual attraction doesn't lend itself to the
>committment needed to sustain a marriage.
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Now you are spouting rhetoric you read or your god told you. I also know 
some very successful and strong homosexual relationships. Many of them 
much stronger than some of the heterosexual relationships I've watched.

>  Some homosexuals try to buy
>up property, animals, etc. together, but there's always the possibility
>of a younger suitor coming along and proving to be more interesting. 
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And this ISN'T a problem with heterosexuals? I've watched many men and 
women trade in for a newer model. On both sides of the fence.

>With age you're attractiveness, no matter what you're sexual orientation
>is, declines.  If you're in a traditional marriage that's solid, you've
>long since bonded in ways that render losing your good looks a moot
>issue.
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See above.

>Only at appropriate times between married people who are open to life. 
>Otherwise, it's an abusive activity that doesn't deserve any positive
>recognition from society.
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Then I've been to parties where a lot of abuse was going on... but 
everyone sure seemed to be enjoying themselves.

>Protection doesn't always work.
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And that's MY choice to make. Not yours to make for me.

>Even if protection were flawless, it wouldn't even begin to
>address the emotional and psychological damage inflicted on someone when
>they are used.
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Again, that's MY choice. I don't feel any emotional scares from the 
hundreds of people I've been naked with.


>It doesn't please God when people take the pleasure but refuse to give
>Him an opportunity to create new life.
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According to your religion. Again, that's not a concern for me. And 
according to the constitution, you can't make religious decisions for me.

>See Sodom and Gomorrah.
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So a homosexual has to deny what they are to be accepted by your god. 
Nice guy. I don't want to be his friend. I prefer beings that accept you 
the way you are.

>Their is a big difference between being homosexual and what the bible
>condemns.  Being hederosexual is no more an excuse for being sexually
>abusive and permiscuous than being homosexual is.  You
>are misinformed and misguided Russ Johnson.
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That too is your opinion. Fortunately for me, I don't care what you 
think of me. I'm a lot more informed than you believe.

I too believe that you are narrow minded, bigoted and lack understanding 
of your fellow beings. You should crawl out from under that religious 
rock you live under, and find out how the real world works.

Two last questions...

Does god know everything that has happened or will happen?

Do you believe in freewill?

Russ



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