[PLUG-TALK] MRC - Should marriage be open to homosexual couples? - MRC
Ronald Chmara
ronabop at gmail.com
Sat Feb 7 05:00:05 UTC 2009
On Feb 6, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Michael Robinson wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 02:46 -0800, Ronald Chmara wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 2009, at 11:31 PM, Michael Robinson wrote:
>>> It is not in Apollo, or Aphrodite, or any other Greek god that the
>>> currency says we trust. If it were, it would say In Aphrodite or In
>>> Zeus etcetera.
>>
>> The English word 'God' does not exist in the original bible texts.
>> Period.
> So what.
>> Neither you, nor any scholar on the planet, can ever find it.
> So what.
>> It's a modern(-ish) word, designed to encompass the many historical
>> names used, in many languages and faiths, to point to a concept, and
>> idea, a belief in a "higher power". When many texts were assembled
>> in the Abrahamic (and other) faiths, names for the concept were often
>> reduced and condensed, and thus, the hundreds of names for the
>> concept were often combined into "allah", "LORD", (etc.).
> Terms that mean God can be reduced in meaning?
A-D-N, aka the root name of the god Adonis, (as well as a name of
Tammuz) is also the "Adonai" God name for most jews and christians.
> Come on Ronald, you are quibbling over semantics.
You were trying to make a point, I think, about what 'In God We
Trust' meant, but then referred to "Greek god", without, perhaps,
knowing that the bible uses a few different terms, and refers to
different Gods (plural)..... and that one of those names also became
known (to us) as the greek god Adonis.
> Frankly, Aramaic
> is not the only language the bible was originally written in and
> it wasn't originally written.
Who said anything about Aramaic? Did you mis-read 'Abrahamic',
referring to the three main faiths (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam)
that descended from Abraham?
> The bible started out as an oral
> tradition. Have you ever considered the possibility Ronald that
> Allah, God, Father, Creator, Abba, Yahweh, etcetera refer to the
> same God in different languages and faith traditions?
That's something of a universalist interpretation, that some folks
subscribe to. Of course, if you accept that proposition, than the
currency and motto of the United states actually *is* parseable as
"In Zeus we Trust", or at the very least, "In Adonis We Trust".
> I guess you
> can't accept writings about God in any language other than Aramaic
> even through Greek was a popular language as well in biblical
> times.
*cough*
Are you referring to the Septuagint? The Targumim?
I actually like to study across variations, as (for example) the
differing LXX, Vulgate, Targumim, and MT variants provide for
interesting insights into the text, and the translators.
> There are multiple languages
> behind the bible, not just one.
Uh.... yeah....
> The interpretation of the bible
> and it's translation is highly disputed if one has no authority
> to go by.
There is no single "authority" to resolve all disputes, hence,
needing to be well versed (so to speak) before opening one's mouth.
> ...That said, humanity is not worshipped or semi worshipped. You
> don't understand the meaning of worship where applying it
> partially means nothing.
I suppose "worship" can mean different things to different people, I
would consider invoking a name in a prayer, or making idols and
depictions of the figure being invoked, as worship.
>>> Only God
>>> receives worship.
>> /facepalm
>> You don't know what dulia, latria, and hyperdulia are?
> "There are three levels of reverence that we in this life offer.
> Latria
> is reserved for God alone. Hyperdulia is reserved for the Blessed
> Virgin. Dulia is reserved for all the rest of the heavenly host."
Sounds to me like three levels of worship.
>>> The founding fathers were mostly Christian.
>> Wrong, unless you have some creative meanings for the word
>> "Christian", or "mostly".
> Christian means follower of Christ and universal. Most early settlers
> in this country were Christian.
My bad, you had a creative meaning for "founding fathers".
-Bop
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