[PLUG-TALK] Visiting from Tacoma

David Mandel dmandel at pdxlinux.org
Mon Jan 5 09:16:04 UTC 2009


Andrew,

I'm glad you enjoyed your trip to Portland.
I haven't been to Tacoma many times.
I generally pass right through it on my way to Seattle or Vancouver or
where ever;
but I have enjoyed Tacoma the couple times I have stopped there.
As I recall, my wife and I visited the Tacoma zoo a couple years ago and had
fun.  My wife and I like gardens and gardening; and Tacoma has a couple
great gardens that we want to visit someday.  Maybe I should try timing
this with a visit to TaTaclug (Tacoma Linux Users Group).

  Sincerely,
  David Mandel
  Chief Activist
  Portland Linux/Unix Group
  560 SE Alexander
  Corvallis, Oregon 97333
  (541) 752-3769 land
  (541) 730-5285 cell

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:14 PM,  <andrew at becherer.org> wrote:
> I want to thank everybody who sent suggestions and well wishes. My
> fiancée and I have had a great time in Portland and we plan on
> returning. We had a night out on the town last night starting with
> dinner and drinks at the Urban Farmer followed by drinks and pub games
> at Mcmenamins Ringlers pub. Our train is delayed a two hours so it looks
> like we get to enjoy one more meal in Portland.
>
> Several people on the list expressed concern about Michael Robinson's
> comments. His comments did not concern me and I most certainly did not
> consider them to be representative of plug-talk, much less Portland. I
> had not actually seen Michael's email until other members of the list
> had sent apologies and well wishes. After Michael's "spamish" onslaught
> of December 27th through January 2nd I started sending his emails to the
> bit bucket.
>
> On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 17:30 -0800, Jason Dagit wrote:
>
>> There are other reasons to avoid eating animals.  Have you read the
>> book "Omnivore's Dilemma" by Michael Pollan?  The short version is, we
>> should be careful where the food comes from before we partake.
>
> If you enjoyed Omnivore's Dilemma you should check out In Defense of
> Food, Pollan's latest book. Whereas Omnivore's Dilemma focuses on the
> problem In Defense of Food concentrates on what the individual can do to
> protect themselves, their neighbors and the planet (as much as one can
> through diet choices).
>
> I am not a vegetarian or a vegan, although I consume far less dairy and
> meat than the average American. My fiancée and I keep a kitchen that is,
> for the most part, vegan. I am significantly healthier, and lighter,
> than I was before I changed my diet from the standard American diet. I
> don't have time to dig up the references but research (easily located on
> the Internet or cited in Pollan's books) has shown a practitioners of
> vegetarian and vegan diets (such as 7th Day Adventists) have a lower
> incidence of heart disease, hypertension, diabetes, obesity and a host
> of other illnesses.
>
> My favorite two points that Pollan makes are:
>
> 1) There is no perfect diet (although there may be optimal diets for
> select populations).
>
> 2) Good advice for most Americans appears to be "Eat Food, Not Too Much,
> Mostly Plants" where "Food" is defined with some rigor in Pollan's
> books.
>
>> Did you know there are vegan endurance athletes?
>
> Ironman triathlete Brendan Brazier and Ultramarathon Runner Scott Jurek
> spring to mind. There are a number of endurance athletes who either are
> currently are vegan or have been vegan at some point in their career.
>
> --
> Andrew
>
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