[PLUG-TALK] Credibility...

David Fierbaugh david at fierbaugh.net
Wed Jan 7 20:51:06 PST 2009

Again, these are religious arguments, not scientific or legal ones. When
will you stop promoting your religious beliefs as scientific fact and
absolute political truths?

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Michael Robinson
<plug_1 at robinson-west.com>wrote:

> I am not a professional expert on the issue of whether or not homosexual
> sex should be treated as normal by society.  I am not an expert on the
> "gay marriage" or "civil union" isuues.  However, I have pointed to many
> experts from Catholic Answers and Narth.  Karl Keating, Scott Hahn,
> etcetera.
> As far as the comment that I don't respect homosexuals if I see
> something wrong with homosexuality, let's probe this a bit further.
> If you are uncomfortable with the idea of a man sleeping with your
> wife, is saying something to him demonstrating a lack of respect?
> "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman," is pretty clear
> on it's condemnation of homosexual sex.  God is not comfortable
> with homosexual sex and trying to say something about it.
> "Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their
> hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies.  They exchanged the
> truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather
> than the creator, who is blessed forever.  Amen.  Therefore, God handed
> them over to degrading passions.  Their females exchanged natural
> relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural
> relations with females and burned with lust for one another.  Males did
> shameful things with males and thus received in their own person the due
> penalty of their perversity." ( Romans 1: 24-27 New American Bible )
> The former passage condemns homosexual sex and it is in the New
> Testament.  It does not condemn homosexual feelings, it condemns
> actions.  Noone should burn with homosexual passions where
> God is so strongly opposed to homosexual actions.  For those
> who do, it is a heavy cross to bear.
> http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc4.htm
> The word natural is referring to sexual activity as defined in Genesis
> between 1 man and 1 woman.
> Support for Narth and where the APA's homosexuality is normal came
> from: http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0101bite.asp
> Karl Keating on what it means to respect homosexuals:
> http://www.catholic.com/newsletters/kke_040629.asp
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