[PLUG-TALK] Credibility...

Michael Robinson plug_1 at robinson-west.com
Wed Jan 7 20:57:14 PST 2009

On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 20:51 -0800, David Fierbaugh wrote:
> Again, these are religious arguments, not scientific or legal ones.
> When will you stop promoting your religious beliefs as scientific fact
> and absolute political truths? 

All laws are based on the moral values of the populace as a whole and
are geared toward the common good.

Narth, which is a secular organization made up of doctors that treat
homosexuality and cure it in many cases, is recommended by these
religious apologists.  Science and reason are not at odds, you
only think they are.  I haven't promoted my religious beliefs
as scientific fact in anything I've posted.

> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Michael Robinson
> <plug_1 at robinson-west.com> wrote:
>         I am not a professional expert on the issue of whether or not
>         homosexual
>         sex should be treated as normal by society.  I am not an
>         expert on the
>         "gay marriage" or "civil union" isuues.  However, I have
>         pointed to many
>         experts from Catholic Answers and Narth.  Karl Keating, Scott
>         Hahn,
>         etcetera.
>         As far as the comment that I don't respect homosexuals if I
>         see
>         something wrong with homosexuality, let's probe this a bit
>         further.
>         If you are uncomfortable with the idea of a man sleeping with
>         your
>         wife, is saying something to him demonstrating a lack of
>         respect?
>         "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman," is pretty
>         clear
>         on it's condemnation of homosexual sex.  God is not
>         comfortable
>         with homosexual sex and trying to say something about it.
>         "Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts
>         of their
>         hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies.  They
>         exchanged the
>         truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature
>         rather
>         than the creator, who is blessed forever.  Amen.  Therefore,
>         God handed
>         them over to degrading passions.  Their females exchanged
>         natural
>         relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up
>         natural
>         relations with females and burned with lust for one another.
>          Males did
>         shameful things with males and thus received in their own
>         person the due
>         penalty of their perversity." ( Romans 1: 24-27 New American
>         Bible )
>         The former passage condemns homosexual sex and it is in the
>         New
>         Testament.  It does not condemn homosexual feelings, it
>         condemns
>         actions.  Noone should burn with homosexual passions where
>         God is so strongly opposed to homosexual actions.  For those
>         who do, it is a heavy cross to bear.
>         http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc4.htm
>         The word natural is referring to sexual activity as defined in
>         Genesis
>         between 1 man and 1 woman.
>         Support for Narth and where the APA's homosexuality is normal
>         came
>         from: http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0101bite.asp
>         Karl Keating on what it means to respect homosexuals:
>         http://www.catholic.com/newsletters/kke_040629.asp
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