[PLUG-TALK] Credibility...
David Fierbaugh
david at fierbaugh.net
Thu Jan 8 06:44:37 UTC 2009
Do you really believe that even in our 'democratic' society that "All laws
are based on the moral values of the populace as a whole and are geared
toward the common good."?
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Michael Robinson
<plug_1 at robinson-west.com>wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 20:51 -0800, David Fierbaugh wrote:
> > Again, these are religious arguments, not scientific or legal ones.
> > When will you stop promoting your religious beliefs as scientific fact
> > and absolute political truths?
>
> All laws are based on the moral values of the populace as a whole and
> are geared toward the common good.
>
> Narth, which is a secular organization made up of doctors that treat
> homosexuality and cure it in many cases, is recommended by these
> religious apologists. Science and reason are not at odds, you
> only think they are. I haven't promoted my religious beliefs
> as scientific fact in anything I've posted.
>
> > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Michael Robinson
> > <plug_1 at robinson-west.com> wrote:
> > I am not a professional expert on the issue of whether or not
> > homosexual
> > sex should be treated as normal by society. I am not an
> > expert on the
> > "gay marriage" or "civil union" isuues. However, I have
> > pointed to many
> > experts from Catholic Answers and Narth. Karl Keating, Scott
> > Hahn,
> > etcetera.
> >
> > As far as the comment that I don't respect homosexuals if I
> > see
> > something wrong with homosexuality, let's probe this a bit
> > further.
> > If you are uncomfortable with the idea of a man sleeping with
> > your
> > wife, is saying something to him demonstrating a lack of
> > respect?
> >
> > "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman," is pretty
> > clear
> > on it's condemnation of homosexual sex. God is not
> > comfortable
> > with homosexual sex and trying to say something about it.
> >
> > "Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts
> > of their
> > hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. They
> > exchanged the
> > truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature
> > rather
> > than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Therefore,
> > God handed
> > them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged
> > natural
> > relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up
> > natural
> > relations with females and burned with lust for one another.
> > Males did
> > shameful things with males and thus received in their own
> > person the due
> > penalty of their perversity." ( Romans 1: 24-27 New American
> > Bible )
> >
> > The former passage condemns homosexual sex and it is in the
> > New
> > Testament. It does not condemn homosexual feelings, it
> > condemns
> > actions. Noone should burn with homosexual passions where
> > God is so strongly opposed to homosexual actions. For those
> > who do, it is a heavy cross to bear.
> >
> > http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc4.htm
> >
> > The word natural is referring to sexual activity as defined in
> > Genesis
> > between 1 man and 1 woman.
> >
> > Support for Narth and where the APA's homosexuality is normal
> > came
> > from: http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0101bite.asp
> >
> > Karl Keating on what it means to respect homosexuals:
> > http://www.catholic.com/newsletters/kke_040629.asp
> >
> >
> >
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