[PLUG-TALK] Credibility...

David Fierbaugh david at fierbaugh.net
Thu Jan 8 06:44:37 UTC 2009


Do you really believe that even in our 'democratic' society that "All laws
are based on the moral values of the populace as a whole and are geared
toward the common good."?

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Michael Robinson
<plug_1 at robinson-west.com>wrote:

>
> On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 20:51 -0800, David Fierbaugh wrote:
> > Again, these are religious arguments, not scientific or legal ones.
> > When will you stop promoting your religious beliefs as scientific fact
> > and absolute political truths?
>
> All laws are based on the moral values of the populace as a whole and
> are geared toward the common good.
>
> Narth, which is a secular organization made up of doctors that treat
> homosexuality and cure it in many cases, is recommended by these
> religious apologists.  Science and reason are not at odds, you
> only think they are.  I haven't promoted my religious beliefs
> as scientific fact in anything I've posted.
>
> > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Michael Robinson
> > <plug_1 at robinson-west.com> wrote:
> >         I am not a professional expert on the issue of whether or not
> >         homosexual
> >         sex should be treated as normal by society.  I am not an
> >         expert on the
> >         "gay marriage" or "civil union" isuues.  However, I have
> >         pointed to many
> >         experts from Catholic Answers and Narth.  Karl Keating, Scott
> >         Hahn,
> >         etcetera.
> >
> >         As far as the comment that I don't respect homosexuals if I
> >         see
> >         something wrong with homosexuality, let's probe this a bit
> >         further.
> >         If you are uncomfortable with the idea of a man sleeping with
> >         your
> >         wife, is saying something to him demonstrating a lack of
> >         respect?
> >
> >         "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman," is pretty
> >         clear
> >         on it's condemnation of homosexual sex.  God is not
> >         comfortable
> >         with homosexual sex and trying to say something about it.
> >
> >         "Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts
> >         of their
> >         hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies.  They
> >         exchanged the
> >         truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature
> >         rather
> >         than the creator, who is blessed forever.  Amen.  Therefore,
> >         God handed
> >         them over to degrading passions.  Their females exchanged
> >         natural
> >         relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up
> >         natural
> >         relations with females and burned with lust for one another.
> >          Males did
> >         shameful things with males and thus received in their own
> >         person the due
> >         penalty of their perversity." ( Romans 1: 24-27 New American
> >         Bible )
> >
> >         The former passage condemns homosexual sex and it is in the
> >         New
> >         Testament.  It does not condemn homosexual feelings, it
> >         condemns
> >         actions.  Noone should burn with homosexual passions where
> >         God is so strongly opposed to homosexual actions.  For those
> >         who do, it is a heavy cross to bear.
> >
> >         http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc4.htm
> >
> >         The word natural is referring to sexual activity as defined in
> >         Genesis
> >         between 1 man and 1 woman.
> >
> >         Support for Narth and where the APA's homosexuality is normal
> >         came
> >         from: http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0101bite.asp
> >
> >         Karl Keating on what it means to respect homosexuals:
> >         http://www.catholic.com/newsletters/kke_040629.asp
> >
> >
> >
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