[PLUG-TALK] Religion is not bad...

Michael Robinson plug_1 at robinson-west.com
Thu Oct 29 23:44:01 UTC 2009


On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 14:51 -0700, Aaron wrote:
> I do not want to have to worship some omnipotent god that can do
> anything it wants and yet wants us tiny humans to beg for it's love,
> forgiveness and to sit around worshipping it all the time.  That
> sounds like hell to me.

Who said anything about God wanting humanity to beg for his love?
You make it sound like God doesn't love humanity.  Does a good 
father let his child venture out into the world and wait for 
the child's return with open arms?  Sin injures man's relationship
with God. Atheists often say that there is a nebulous 
foundationless set of principles that stem in reality from 
humanity's God given value.  Whether it's human rights, or
freedom of speech and assembly, or freedom of religion these
rights ultimately stem from humanity's God given value.
There is no atheistic foundation for human rights.

And another thing, who said that worship has to involve sitting?
There is standing, singing, dancing within reason, etcetera.  There
is also the worship people give to the Father through the way they
live their lives and the way they order their thoughts.

> Seriously, even if there is a god--shouldn't it be doing something
> more productive than being pissed off and making us humans suffer for
> forever because we make mistakes (sin) and don't believe in god?  That
> sounds evil to me.

First off, not all sins are fatal to the soul.  Second off, if hell is
what you really want, God is not going to deny you that.  Third off, 
any sin can be fatal if you reject God's ability to both heal and
forgive you.  Should those who hate God be forced to live with Him in
heaven?  Should the good who spend their lives attempting to follow
God's law have to share Him with the rotten to the core bad?  If you
have the evidence before you that there is a God and don't care, you are
an atheist, you had better be changing your tune before you die unless
you can grant yourself eternal life.

Bad things happen to good people and most people sin, but that doesn't
mean that God doesn't care about and love humanity.  Love is a two way
street and if you are all Love, God, being alone is a problem.  God
needs someone to love, not something.  Material things are worth very
little in the long run and are a poor substitute for love.

Why do you think that suffering comes from God?  Humanity suffers
because it is fallen from grace.  Jesus took on all the sin and
made the sacrifice to the Father that humanity could not make.  If
you do not connect your sins to Christ's sacrifice, they are not
forgiven.  Far from being cruel to humanity, God the Son gave His
mortal life for it.  What makes you think that God is "pissed" off
at humanity?  For one thing, God has an eternity to punish the 
wicked.

Only God can offer man life after death.  Satan offers eternal torture.
Do you really want to go to Hell instead of worshipping the all knowing
all love God?  Anyone who is an atheist because they hate God goes to
hell if they don't change their tune.  Anyone who refuses to believe
that God can forgive their serious sins goes to Hell also.  Are you
so powerful that God can't forgive your sins?  What can you do that
God can't forgive?  The only truly unforgivable sin is suicide because
it ends man's earthly test before he can apologize for taking his own
life.

What is more productive than finding someone to love to help you
pass the time?  Can you imagine an eternity alone?  What good is
it to have a universe to play with if you have noone to share it
with?

Oh and one more thing, sin and mistakes are 2 very different things.
All God asks is that people attempt to do the right thing and ask
for His healing when they sin.  Look at the story of Jonah and the
whale.  Jonah did not want to be a prophet and tried to run away.
God corrected that mistake with the whale.  That was a mistake 
though, not a sin.  A sin involves knowingly and willfully 
turning your back on God.  Fear is not a sin, it is a God given 
human emotion that is supposed to protect us from harm.  God knows
what's best for us even if it's difficult, or do you not trust God?
Isn't that the real issue for most people, that they don't trust 
God?




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