[PLUG-TALK] [PLUG] umn.edu kernel patches

Tomas Kuchta tomas.kuchta.lists at gmail.com
Fri Apr 23 16:51:46 UTC 2021


Curious - are you upset that you did not take it to plug talk? LOL

Changing the subject too.

Tomas

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 11:24 <alan at clueserver.org> wrote:

>
>
> > On Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 5:40 AM Russell Senior <russell at personaltelco.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 5:21 AM Ben Koenig <techkoenig at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 6:53 PM Russell Senior
> >> <russell at personaltelco.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I would note that there is a question mark at the end of the subject
> >> > > line and not an exclamation mark. I think there is enough evidence
> >> for
> >> > > me to conclude the IRB made a mistake in deciding there were no
> >> human
> >> > > subjects to consider, even if there is some narrow rule that allowed
> >> > > them to exempt the project. I don't know any of the mechanics of why
> >> > > that mistake was made.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > That is exactly why I called this out as Cancel Culture.
> >> >
> >> > Its not about being right or wrong, its about Due Process and the way
> >> in
> >> > which we learn from our mistakes.
> >> >
> >> > You are moving from accusation to execution without considering any
> >> motive
> >> > or the real cause of the problem. Whether or not you are correct is
> >> > irrelevant.
> >>
> >> I understand you are bored and want to argue, but this is wrong. I do
> >> know a little about IRB's and what their job is. I have no role in
> >> executing anyone. The primary reason I posted this was that it was a
> >> pretty important news item that I thought the PLUG community would
> >> want to hear about (not least because the malicious patches involved
> >> might be in a kernel we are running). The subject line was an
> >> editorial comment on my part about how egregious a mistake I thought
> >> it was, regardless of the specific mechanics or motives. You are free
> >> to agree or disagree, with approximately equal impact as me
> >> (unmeasurably small) on whether the IRB is fired or changes their
> >> processes or continues without change.
> >>
> >
> > You started the argument here, not me. You have no excuse for trying to
> > gaslight me like this.
> >
> > I was in no way trying to argue or accuse you of anything. Going back to
> > the original statement I made, I was simply pointing out that your choice
> > of words for the subject line bore resemblance to cancel culture tactics.
> > That is public record.
> >
> >
> > Why you decided to take that as an argument against your opinions and
> > experience is mystery to me. Anyone with a semblance of knowledge of
> > english can see that I was simply pointing out a small part of the
> overall
> > conversation.
> >
> >
> > YOU blew it up into an attack on me. Put those reading glasses back on
> and
> > try again.
>
> Take it to PLUG-Talk.
>
> Q: Why do programmers confuse Halloween and Christmas?
> A: Because OCT 31 == DEC 25.
>
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