From karlheg@microsharp.com Mon Mar 18 14:42:22 2002 Received: from mail.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.135] helo=microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n5pe-0002PG-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:42:22 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (asl.microsharp.com [206.190.130.132]) by microsharp.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2IMixE31502 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:44:59 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (karlheg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g2IMg8c1024404 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:42:08 -0800 Received: (from karlheg@localhost) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) id g2IMg8en024400; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:42:08 -0800 To: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Natilus = Bloatware version 3.0? References: <01C1C9E0.ADE1D3C0.jorgens@coho.net> <20020318111728.A5188@snoopy.moondog.org> X-Face: 1v=v?=]<7%cW&OL:Z"GCcdmIN&wp)w|1EKzyC6?qaX;55wwjPfKTm\'7x-gd+KEd`(o&(EQ%(B4]6sZ$|e_FBGTJOvJtHUM>flSNQqfdw.jYZ$jnCERoAX*{4lEJm?EB#V_<2\-#5%#Du/ExQR)juedX>!Cq#;UoAo?|Oo~BX@!fwIX From: karlheg@microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) In-Reply-To: <20020318111728.A5188@snoopy.moondog.org> Message-ID: <87adt57b27.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 18 Mar 2002 14:42:08 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 266 Lines: 8 I never use Nautilus or Midnight Commander, since I prefer "dired" in XEmacs as my file manager. -- mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://www.microsharp.com phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 From jeff@jhenshaw.com Mon Mar 18 14:54:01 2002 Received: from sub24-226.member.dsl-only.net ([63.105.24.226] helo=mail.jhenshaw.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n60v-0002ST-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:54:01 -0800 Received: from jhenshaw.com (oem [192.168.0.4]) by mail.jhenshaw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3114FB for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:56:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C96709A.2090906@jhenshaw.com> From: "J.A. Henshaw" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010913 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Revolution OS: Movie Review References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA64A@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:56:26 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 746 Lines: 23 Craighead, Scot D wrote: > Here is a thought. The independent film makers certainly have the > ability to distribute their work through the internet if they choose to > do so. They could make avi or mpg or what ever audio/video files of > their work downloadable through the web. It's not as easy as mp3's are > for music because of the file size, but it is doable. If I can download > an ISO with an operating system on it, I can also download a movie the > same size. It would also be possible to sell CD through the mail of the > work. Just a thought. > Good idea, also is the rest of the community aware of this movie? Slashdotted? -- Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on what they will have for lunch. From ckuskie@nwdcapps.dalsemi.com Mon Mar 18 14:11:32 2002 Received: from chewy.dalsemi.com ([198.3.123.8] helo=www2b.dalsemi.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n5Lo-0001sS-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:11:32 -0800 Received: from beta.dalsemi.com (beta.dalsemi.com [180.0.34.2]) by www2b.dalsemi.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2IMBHs15966 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:11:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from dalsemi.com (nwdcapps.dalsemi.com [192.168.104.80]) by beta.dalsemi.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2IMBBp28892 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:11:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from nwdc3.dalsemi.com (nwdc3 [192.168.104.72]) by dalsemi.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2IM9IS28227 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:09:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ckuskie@localhost) by nwdc3.dalsemi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00011 for plug@pdxlinux.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:10:31 -0800 (PST) From: Colin Kuskie To: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] TESTING! Did everyone get this? Message-ID: <20020318141031.B29280@dalsemi.com> References: <871yehbpwm.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <871yehbpwm.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com>; from karlheg@microsharp.com on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 12:07:53PM -0800 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:10:31 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 40 Lines: 6 Yep. Now what do I do with it? Colin From karlheg@microsharp.com Mon Mar 18 16:08:35 2002 Received: from mail.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.135] helo=microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n7B5-00039P-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:08:35 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (asl.microsharp.com [206.190.130.132]) by microsharp.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2J0AtE01624 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:10:55 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (karlheg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g2J085c1031489 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:08:05 -0800 Received: (from karlheg@localhost) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) id g2J085OQ031485; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:08:05 -0800 To: "Portland Linux User's Group" X-Face: 1v=v?=]<7%cW&OL:Z"GCcdmIN&wp)w|1EKzyC6?qaX;55wwjPfKTm\'7x-gd+KEd`(o&(EQ%(B4]6sZ$|e_FBGTJOvJtHUM>flSNQqfdw.jYZ$jnCERoAX*{4lEJm?EB#V_<2\-#5%#Du/ExQR)juedX>!Cq#;UoAo?|Oo~BX@!fwIX From: karlheg@microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) Message-ID: <87bsdlmnbv.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [PLUG] TEST ! Please reply to sender! Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 18 Mar 2002 16:08:04 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 166 Lines: 6 -- mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://www.microsharp.com phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 From richard.langis@sun.com Mon Mar 18 15:15:13 2002 Received: from pheriche.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n6LQ-0002dV-00; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:15:13 -0800 Received: from hillsboro.West.Sun.COM ([129.153.62.10]) by pheriche.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19892; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:15:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from sun.com (delray.West.Sun.COM [129.153.45.10]) by hillsboro.West.Sun.COM (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id g2INFPo00389; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:15:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C967507.5050102@sun.com> From: Richard Langis Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011206 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org CC: PLUG list , "PLUG-TALK [list]" , plug-talk@lists.pdxlinux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] Testing, testing, 1...2...3... Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: richard.langis@sun.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:15:19 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 221 Lines: 12 Posting a message to the plug and plug-talk lists on each different mailsystem to make sure they work. Please ignore. -Richard -- s u n m i c r o s y s t e m s ~ Richard Langis Jr. ~ richard.langis@sun.com From karlheg@microsharp.com Mon Mar 18 14:37:28 2002 Received: from mail.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.135] helo=microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n5ku-0002Ne-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:37:28 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (asl.microsharp.com [206.190.130.132]) by microsharp.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2IMe5E31407 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:40:05 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (karlheg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g2IMbEc1024044 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:37:14 -0800 Received: (from karlheg@localhost) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) id g2IMbErd024040; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:37:14 -0800 To: "Portland Linux User's Group" X-Face: 1v=v?=]<7%cW&OL:Z"GCcdmIN&wp)w|1EKzyC6?qaX;55wwjPfKTm\'7x-gd+KEd`(o&(EQ%(B4]6sZ$|e_FBGTJOvJtHUM>flSNQqfdw.jYZ$jnCERoAX*{4lEJm?EB#V_<2\-#5%#Du/ExQR)juedX>!Cq#;UoAo?|Oo~BX@!fwIX From: karlheg@microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) Message-ID: <87lmcp7bad.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [PLUG] TEST NUMBER TWO Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 18 Mar 2002 14:37:14 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 166 Lines: 6 -- mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://www.microsharp.com phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 From keith@ahapala.net Mon Mar 18 14:55:23 2002 Received: from ahapala.net ([63.105.26.128] helo=skua.ahapala.net) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n62F-0002Sv-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:55:23 -0800 Received: from skua.ahapala.net (skua.ahapala.net [127.0.0.1]) by skua.ahapala.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C254F17; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:54:01 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Nasman To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Cc: plug@pdxlinux.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [PLUG] mail list test Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:54:01 -0800 (PST) Status: O Content-Length: 7 Lines: 4 -- From m@netpro.to Mon Mar 18 12:37:14 2002 Received: from lukem.com ([206.163.117.174]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n3sY-0000q2-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:37:14 -0800 Received: from localhost (m@localhost) by lukem.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IKDHf27404 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:13:17 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Alexander X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [PLUG] TESTING! Did everyone get this? In-Reply-To: <871yehbpwm.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:13:16 -0800 (PST) Status: O Content-Length: 506 Lines: 17 Shhh! Nobody respond... tee hee... On 18 Mar 2002, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > > -- > mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com > Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract > http://www.microsharp.com > phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Support PLUG and the Open Source Community http://www.linuxfund.org/lugs/?lug=plug > To unsubscribe from the PLUG list visit http://www.pdxlinux.org/mailing_list/ > From karlheg@microsharp.com Mon Mar 18 16:22:44 2002 Received: from asl.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.132] helo=juniper.intra.microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n7Om-0003Cz-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:22:44 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (karlheg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g2J0MiXZ032633 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:22:44 -0800 Received: (from karlheg@localhost) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) id g2J0Mi7T032629; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:22:44 -0800 To: "Portland Linux User's Group" X-Face: 1v=v?=]<7%cW&OL:Z"GCcdmIN&wp)w|1EKzyC6?qaX;55wwjPfKTm\'7x-gd+KEd`(o&(EQ%(B4]6sZ$|e_FBGTJOvJtHUM>flSNQqfdw.jYZ$jnCERoAX*{4lEJm?EB#V_<2\-#5%#Du/ExQR)juedX>!Cq#;UoAo?|Oo~BX@!fwIX From: karlheg@microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) Message-ID: <87663tmmnf.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [PLUG] Test again... Will someone please tell me if they see this? Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 18 Mar 2002 16:22:44 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 207 Lines: 6 I'm getting nothing back from the list. -- mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://www.microsharp.com phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 From karlheg@microsharp.com Mon Mar 18 14:31:36 2002 Received: from mail.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.135] helo=microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n5fD-0002K4-01 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:31:35 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (asl.microsharp.com [206.190.130.132]) by microsharp.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2IKk2I25998 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:46:02 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (karlheg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g2IKhBc1015622 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:43:11 -0800 Received: (from karlheg@localhost) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) id g2IKhBJC015618; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:43:11 -0800 To: "Portland Linux User's Group" X-Face: 1v=v?=]<7%cW&OL:Z"GCcdmIN&wp)w|1EKzyC6?qaX;55wwjPfKTm\'7x-gd+KEd`(o&(EQ%(B4]6sZ$|e_FBGTJOvJtHUM>flSNQqfdw.jYZ$jnCERoAX*{4lEJm?EB#V_<2\-#5%#Du/ExQR)juedX>!Cq#;UoAo?|Oo~BX@!fwIX From: karlheg@microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) Message-ID: <873cyxa9pc.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [PLUG] Did everyone get a subscription announcement? Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 18 Mar 2002 12:43:11 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 166 Lines: 6 -- mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://www.microsharp.com phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 From russj@dimstar.net Mon Mar 18 14:41:07 2002 Received: from sub22-97.member.dsl-only.net ([63.105.22.97] helo=mail.dimstar.net) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n5oR-0002Oz-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:41:07 -0800 Received: from rumblefish.dimstar.net (stargate.dimstar.net [192.168.1.102]) by mail.dimstar.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82151C317 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:37:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020318124243.00b41330@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: russj@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: plug@pdxlinux.org From: Russ Johnson Subject: Re: [PLUG] TESTING! Did everyone get this? In-Reply-To: <871yehbpwm.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:43:27 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 728 Lines: 27 I guess the next thing to do is to have someone say, "If you get this, but didn't get Karl's original, let Karl know." At 12:07 PM 3/18/2002 -0800, you wrote: >-- >mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com >Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract >http://www.microsharp.com >phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Support PLUG and the Open Source Community >http://www.linuxfund.org/lugs/?lug=plug >To unsubscribe from the PLUG list visit http://www.pdxlinux.org/mailing_list/ Russ Johnson Stargate Online http://www.dimstar.net telnet://telnet.dimstar.net ICQ: 3739685 Long periods of drought are always followed by rain From seniorr@aracnet.com Mon Mar 18 11:47:29 2002 Received: from bonneville.tdb.com ([216.99.214.10] helo=coulee.tdb.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n36P-0000QU-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:47:29 -0800 Received: (qmail 18040 invoked by uid 1001); 18 Mar 2002 19:47:46 -0000 To: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Fast Debian mirrors (and Woody ISOs?) References: <1016474518.15727.4.camel@shahms> From: Russell Senior In-Reply-To: <1016474518.15727.4.camel@shahms> Message-ID: <86elih1wv1.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 18 Mar 2002 11:47:46 -0800 Status: RO Content-Length: 2187 Lines: 42 >>>>> "Shahms" == Shahms E King writes: Shahms> I'm trying to take a look at Debian (currently a RedHat user) Shahms> and since the thing keeping me from trying it the longest is Shahms> the simple fact that the actual "release" version, while Shahms> stable, is hopelessly out of date. And rather than spend Shahms> hours downloading Potato only to spend MORE hours downloading Shahms> all of the updates from an "apt-get dist-upgrade" (or whatever Shahms> the command actually is) I tried to find ISOs of the latest Shahms> testing or unstable branch to no avail (well, all the places I Shahms> could find were dog slow, to the point of my not wanting to Shahms> wait DAYS to download this thing) so I figured that since we Shahms> have some rather vociferous Debian activists on the list, one Shahms> of them might have a solution to this ... problem. Well, first of all, don't bother downloading stable. At the earliest opportunity, just set your /etc/apt/sources.list to what you want. My "unstable" box looks like this: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free I also have some "testing" boxes, where the sources.list looks like: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free Then pick just the packages you actually will use, and away you go. It is very easy to apt-get others later, but until you are using them you end up wasting time downloading incremental versions at each apt-get upgrade for no real gain. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From karlheg@microsharp.com Mon Mar 18 14:31:36 2002 Received: from mail.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.135] helo=microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n5fD-0002K4-02 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:31:35 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (asl.microsharp.com [206.190.130.132]) by microsharp.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2IL7MI26530; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:07:22 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (karlheg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g2IL4Uc1017094; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:04:30 -0800 Received: (from karlheg@localhost) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) id g2IL4UJh017090; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:04:30 -0800 To: "Shahms E. King" Cc: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org References: <1016474518.15727.4.camel@shahms> X-Face: 1v=v?=]<7%cW&OL:Z"GCcdmIN&wp)w|1EKzyC6?qaX;55wwjPfKTm\'7x-gd+KEd`(o&(EQ%(B4]6sZ$|e_FBGTJOvJtHUM>flSNQqfdw.jYZ$jnCERoAX*{4lEJm?EB#V_<2\-#5%#Du/ExQR)juedX>!Cq#;UoAo?|Oo~BX@!fwIX From: karlheg@microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) In-Reply-To: <1016474518.15727.4.camel@shahms> Message-ID: <87lmcp8u5d.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [PLUG] CD images and how to use the netinst CD (Re: Fast Debian mirrors (and Woody ISOs?)) Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 18 Mar 2002 13:04:30 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 1451 Lines: 39 And, ... contains a slightly modified woody netinst that supports ext2, ext3, and reiserfs. It's just the latest netinst shown on the first site above, but with only the "bf2.4" flavor made bootable, since some machines don't support multiple boot images on one CD. The only install method (for the "Base System") that (29Mb) image supports is "network". The only hardware driver you need to worry about is your network card. You must pick it from the list and "manually" install it before it will offer "Configure the Network" as the next step. If you have a DSL line, it will take around 30 minutes or so at most for "debootstrap" to run. After the base is installed, you will reboot. It will offer to run a "Task Selector". Run that if you like. Next, it will offer to run "dselect". I recommend saying No there, and then, when you log in as root at the end of whatever else it does, you should run: # apt-get install {apt,debconf}-utils aptitude # dpkg-reconfigure -plow debconf # aptitude ... and choose what you want installed after reading the instructions. "aptitude" is a package manager interface. It's a lot easier to use than the venerable "dselect". -- mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://www.microsharp.com phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 From heinlein@attbi.com Mon Mar 18 14:51:50 2002 Received: from 12-224-112-139.client.attbi.com ([12.224.112.139] helo=billings.heinlein.net) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n5yn-0002Rh-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:51:49 -0800 Received: from localhost (IDENT:heinlein@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by billings.heinlein.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2IKbW910256 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:37:32 -0800 From: Paul Heinlein X-X-Sender: heinlein@billings.heinlein.net To: Portland Linux/Unix Group Subject: Re: [PLUG] ftp server recommendations? In-Reply-To: <877ko9bx79.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:37:32 -0800 (PST) Status: O Content-Length: 740 Lines: 17 On 18 Mar 2002, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > Isn't "sftp" part of OpenSSH, and therefore the authentication is > done via PAM? If that's the case, it seems to me that you could > probably configure it via PAM to allow sFTP to users without system > accounts. I've never done anything like that before, but IIRC it is > possible to use something besides the "/etc/passwd" database with > certain PAM modules. Interesting. Yeah, sftp is available with openssh, and you can compile it against the pam libs (which I suspect most distros do as a matter of course). Pam is one of those "I've been meaning to look into it for a really long time now" things -- but your suggestions sounds interesting. -- Paul Heinlein From karlheg@microsharp.com Mon Mar 18 15:28:55 2002 Received: from mail.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.135] helo=microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n6Yh-0002ji-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:28:55 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (asl.microsharp.com [206.190.130.132]) by microsharp.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2INVWE32730 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:31:32 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (karlheg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g2INSfc1028757 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:28:41 -0800 Received: (from karlheg@localhost) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) id g2INSfI0028753; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:28:41 -0800 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Face: 1v=v?=]<7%cW&OL:Z"GCcdmIN&wp)w|1EKzyC6?qaX;55wwjPfKTm\'7x-gd+KEd`(o&(EQ%(B4]6sZ$|e_FBGTJOvJtHUM>flSNQqfdw.jYZ$jnCERoAX*{4lEJm?EB#V_<2\-#5%#Du/ExQR)juedX>!Cq#;UoAo?|Oo~BX@!fwIX From: karlheg@microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) Message-ID: <87ofhlmp5i.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [PLUG] List is slightly broken... hope you all see this. Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 18 Mar 2002 15:28:41 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 373 Lines: 9 I should have adjusted the DNS zone $TTL last friday before I left work. The lists might not work right for a few days... especially if you send to "@pdxlinux.org" rather than to "@lists.pdxlinux.org". -- mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://www.microsharp.com phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 From rlangis@geekfest.net Mon Mar 18 15:34:20 2002 Received: from phoebe.geekfest.net ([216.99.195.6] helo=mail.geekfest.net) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n6dw-0002mF-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:34:20 -0800 Received: by mail.geekfest.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5A1D216D005; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:34:02 -0800 (PST) From: richard.langis@spamcop.net To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Message-ID: <20020318153402.B16426@geekfest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Subject: [PLUG] 'Nother test. Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:34:02 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 328 Lines: 10 test test test test -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Actual MS W2K Error: "Your password must be at least 18770 characters and cannot repeat any of your previous 30689 passwords. Please type a different password." --------------------------------------------------------------------- From judah@opusnet.com Mon Mar 18 15:45:28 2002 Received: from mail.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.135] helo=microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n6oi-0002vU-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:45:28 -0800 Received: from mail.opusnet.com (mail.opusnet.com [209.210.200.6]) by microsharp.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2INlmE00779 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:47:48 -0800 Received: from w68d176.wv.mentorg.com [192.94.38.34] by mail.opusnet.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.05) id ABED7710186; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:44:45 -0800 Subject: Re: [PLUG] Natilus = Bloatware version 3.0? From: Aaron Baer To: plug@pdxlinux.org In-Reply-To: <20020318121736.59193d3b.due.gatti@gmx.net> References: <01C1C9E0.ADE1D3C0.jorgens@coho.net> <20020318111728.A5188@snoopy.moondog.org> <20020318121736.59193d3b.due.gatti@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Message-Id: <1016495057.4013.14.camel@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 18 Mar 2002 15:44:16 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 846 Lines: 34 Though it has some work to go, Nautilus is great! Of course there is nothing like a command line, that goes without saying. But in the days of OSX Nautilus is a great thing.. I use it every day. GO Nautilus!!!!! A- On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 12:17, Greg wrote: > I agree with you on that one..though a file manager is nice for a quick look, etc, I usually wind up opening up a terminal window and doing the work there, b/c the file manager doesn't do it, or doesn't do it the way *I* want to... > > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:17:28 -0800 > Elden Fenison wrote: > > > > > I guess I really don't see a need for a "file manager" at all in linux. > > The command line has always worked just peachy. > > > > -- > > > > -=Elden=- > > http://www.moondog.org -- ---- Aaron Baer judah@opusnet.com http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/ From mashanti@voaor.org Mon Mar 18 15:09:48 2002 Received: from voaor.org ([209.180.174.193] helo=mail.voaor.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n6GB-0002aA-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:09:48 -0800 Received: from [10.0.2.198] ([209.180.174.196]) by mail.voaor.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA24024 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:51:01 -0800 From: "mashanti@voaor.org" X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [PLUG] TESTING! Did everyone get this? In-Reply-To: <20020318131500.A27520@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:51:51 -0800 (PST) Status: O Content-Length: 462 Lines: 24 I did't get it. On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: > Okay, wise guy[1], which of the 299 subscribers[2] didn't get it %^o > > Sandy > > [1] One of our IT guys sends, "Let me know if you didn't get this" email > [2] http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/roster/plug > > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, J.A. Henshaw wrote: > > Nope > > > > Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > > > > -- > > Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on what they > > will have for lunch. > > From keith@ahapala.net Mon Mar 18 14:55:53 2002 Received: from mail.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.135] helo=microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n62j-0002T1-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:55:53 -0800 Received: from skua.ahapala.net (ahapala.net [63.105.26.128]) by microsharp.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2IMwUE31887 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:58:30 -0800 Received: from skua.ahapala.net (skua.ahapala.net [127.0.0.1]) by skua.ahapala.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C254F17; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:54:01 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Nasman To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Cc: plug@pdxlinux.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [PLUG] mail list test Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:54:01 -0800 (PST) Status: O Content-Length: 7 Lines: 4 -- From richard.langis@sun.com Mon Mar 18 15:15:12 2002 Received: from pheriche.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n6LP-0002dP-00; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:15:11 -0800 Received: from hillsboro.West.Sun.COM ([129.153.62.10]) by pheriche.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19892; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:15:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from sun.com (delray.West.Sun.COM [129.153.45.10]) by hillsboro.West.Sun.COM (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id g2INFPo00389; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:15:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C967507.5050102@sun.com> From: Richard Langis Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011206 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org CC: PLUG list , "PLUG-TALK [list]" , plug-talk@lists.pdxlinux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] Testing, testing, 1...2...3... Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: richard.langis@sun.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:15:19 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 221 Lines: 12 Posting a message to the plug and plug-talk lists on each different mailsystem to make sure they work. Please ignore. -Richard -- s u n m i c r o s y s t e m s ~ Richard Langis Jr. ~ richard.langis@sun.com From sandbox@pacifier.com Mon Mar 18 14:29:35 2002 Received: from mailroute2.pacifier.com ([216.65.128.6] helo=monsoon.pacifier.com ident=root) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n5dH-0002Jc-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:29:35 -0800 Received: from comet.pacifier.com (comet.pacifier.com [199.2.117.155]) by monsoon.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2ILxEp28226 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:59:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from pacifier.com (dsl1.usw-1-224.pacifier.com [207.202.224.1]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2ILqG201658 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:52:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C966171.4060006@pacifier.com> From: Kyle Accardi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2.1) Gecko/20010901 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] New list clarification please Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:51:45 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 282 Lines: 12 I received my "invitation" to join plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Is this new list going to replace plug@pdxlinux.org at some time in the future? Is this new list nntp and/or web-based only? Or can it function the same old way (email), but with a new address? Confused, Kyle Accardi From krisa@navi.subtend.net Mon Mar 18 14:57:29 2002 Received: from mail.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.135] helo=microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n64G-0002TC-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:57:28 -0800 Received: from navi.subtend.net (navi.subtend.net [216.183.109.14]) by microsharp.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g2IN05E31935 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:00:05 -0800 Received: (qmail 4906 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Mar 2002 22:57:14 -0000 From: Kris To: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Fast Debian mirrors (and Woody ISOs?) Message-ID: <20020318145714.A4013@navi.subtend.net> References: <1016474518.15727.4.camel@shahms> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016474518.15727.4.camel@shahms> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-Operating-System: Debian Linux navi 2.2.19 i686 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:57:14 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 1705 Lines: 38 Here is how I installed up to testing. Using debian(stable)-reiserfs boot disks, I installed the base system over the Internet. When asked wether I wanted simple or advanced method of installing packages (one of the last questions), I choose advanced and it took me into dselect. I then quit, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all the "stable" entries to "testing", and go back into dselect, select some software, have it check dependencies and it upgrades the system to testing (a lot of packages are already preselected from the pending stable-install, now changed to testing versions). On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 10:01:58AM -0800, Shahms E. King wrote: > I'm trying to take a look at Debian (currently a RedHat user) and since > the thing keeping me from trying it the longest is the simple fact that > the actual "release" version, while stable, is hopelessly out of date. > And rather than spend hours downloading Potato only to spend MORE hours > downloading all of the updates from an "apt-get dist-upgrade" (or > whatever the command actually is) I tried to find ISOs of the latest > testing or unstable branch to no avail (well, all the places I could > find were dog slow, to the point of my not wanting to wait DAYS to > download this thing) so I figured that since we have some rather > vociferous Debian activists on the list, one of them might have a > solution to this ... problem. > > --Shahms > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Support PLUG and the Open Source Community http://www.linuxfund.org/lugs/?lug=plug > To unsubscribe from the PLUG list visit http://www.pdxlinux.org/mailing_list/ -- I'm just a packet pusher. From damonbull@yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 14:47:52 2002 Received: from web20306.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.87]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n5uy-0002Qx-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:47:52 -0800 Message-ID: <20020318224806.10196.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.148.11.17] by web20306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:48:06 PST From: Damon Bull Subject: RE: [PLUG] Revolution OS: Movie Review To: plug@pdxlinux.org In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA640@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:48:06 -0800 (PST) Status: O Content-Length: 478 Lines: 20 It's on digital channel 505 at my house in Beaverton. And it's a premium channel ($$). db. --- "Craighead, Scot D" wrote: > I have cable, but I can't seem to find this > anywhere. I'm looking at > tvguide.com. I live in Tigard and have AT&T digital > cable. Does anyone > know what channel it is on? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From karlheg@microsharp.com Mon Mar 18 13:19:06 2002 Received: from mail.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.135] helo=microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n4X4-0001LK-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:19:06 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (asl.microsharp.com [206.190.130.132]) by microsharp.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2ILLfI26995; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:21:41 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (karlheg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g2ILIoc1018569; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:18:50 -0800 Received: (from karlheg@localhost) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) id g2ILIoE4018564; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:18:50 -0800 To: "Shahms E. King" Cc: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org References: <1016474518.15727.4.camel@shahms> X-Face: 1v=v?=]<7%cW&OL:Z"GCcdmIN&wp)w|1EKzyC6?qaX;55wwjPfKTm\'7x-gd+KEd`(o&(EQ%(B4]6sZ$|e_FBGTJOvJtHUM>flSNQqfdw.jYZ$jnCERoAX*{4lEJm?EB#V_<2\-#5%#Du/ExQR)juedX>!Cq#;UoAo?|Oo~BX@!fwIX From: karlheg@microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) In-Reply-To: <1016474518.15727.4.camel@shahms> Message-ID: <87g02x8thh.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [PLUG] debootstrap RPM -- Install Debian on RPM based system. Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion and help requests List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 18 Mar 2002 13:18:50 -0800 Status: O Content-Length: 1420 Lines: 32 ... contains an RPM of "debootstrap" that I just created using "alien --to-rpm" on the .deb package of it. You can look around inside it with "mc" if you want to ensure that it will not do anything horrible to your system. Since "debootstrap" requires only libc6 and wget, it should run just fine on any modern Linux machine. RTFM, of course... It will create a subdirectory with the minimal base Debian installed inside of it. You must be root to do this, unless it works inside of a "fakeroot" environment... I've never tried that. Also, as root, you can "chroot" into there and run "apt-get" and whatever you like inside the chroot. As long as you are "chroot" there, it cannot affect the rest of your system. Perhaps someone clever can think of a way of using this to migrate a system to Debian? If you do it, and want to test this, I recommend grabbing the "evms" stuff, and building a kernel (use the "kernel-package" system) that supports the Enterprise Volume Management System from IBM. It seems to be working very well on "drizzle.pdxlinux.org". Make sure you do NOT select the "maximize" option in "cfdisk" when you partition your drive, though, or EVMS won't work. -- mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://www.microsharp.com phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 From nmeyers@javalinux.net Mon Mar 18 16:25:40 2002 Received: from mail.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.135] helo=microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n7Rc-0003EC-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:25:40 -0800 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by microsharp.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2J0S0E02109 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:28:00 -0800 Received: from turing.home.network ([12.224.156.137]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020319002503.CCZM2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@turing.home.network> for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:25:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turing.home.network (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C17811875 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:24:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by turing.home.network (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3536411874; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:24:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:24:55 -0800 From: Nathan Meyers To: plug@pdxlinux.org Message-ID: <20020319002455.GA32552@javalinux.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Subject: [PLUG] Mandrake 8.2 hits the streets Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 641 Lines: 20 Mandrake announced its 8.2 release today: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/82.php It's got the customary hundreds-of-new-things-and-improved-GUIs. A couple of additions that jump out at me are: - Encrypted filesystems - A new "minimal installation mode" that delivers a functioning Linux system in 65 Mb They're pushing memberships in their "Mandrake Club" - a voluntary way to pay them (and help them through a temporary cash crunch... ah, the joys of startups!). Membership gives you access to some commercial applications, trading of MandrakeSoft stock, and, most importantly, a place in MandrakeSoft's "Hall of Fame". Nathan From karlheg@microsharp.com Mon Mar 18 16:27:50 2002 Received: from asl.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.132] helo=juniper.intra.microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n7Ti-0003F9-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:27:50 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (karlheg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g2J0RoXZ000552 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:27:50 -0800 Received: (from karlheg@localhost) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) id g2J0RoDi000548; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:27:50 -0800 To: "Portland Linux User's Group" X-Face: 1v=v?=]<7%cW&OL:Z"GCcdmIN&wp)w|1EKzyC6?qaX;55wwjPfKTm\'7x-gd+KEd`(o&(EQ%(B4]6sZ$|e_FBGTJOvJtHUM>flSNQqfdw.jYZ$jnCERoAX*{4lEJm?EB#V_<2\-#5%#Du/ExQR)juedX>!Cq#;UoAo?|Oo~BX@!fwIX From: karlheg@microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 18 Mar 2002 16:27:50 -0800 Message-ID: <87ofhll7uh.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [PLUG] Testing... maybe it's fixed now. Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 166 Lines: 6 -- mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://www.microsharp.com phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 From karlheg@microsharp.com Mon Mar 18 16:28:10 2002 Received: from asl.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.132] helo=juniper.intra.microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n7U2-0003Ha-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:28:10 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (karlheg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g2J0SAXZ000582 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:28:10 -0800 Received: (from karlheg@localhost) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) id g2J0SABG000578; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:28:10 -0800 To: plug@pdxlinux.org X-Face: 1v=v?=]<7%cW&OL:Z"GCcdmIN&wp)w|1EKzyC6?qaX;55wwjPfKTm\'7x-gd+KEd`(o&(EQ%(B4]6sZ$|e_FBGTJOvJtHUM>flSNQqfdw.jYZ$jnCERoAX*{4lEJm?EB#V_<2\-#5%#Du/ExQR)juedX>!Cq#;UoAo?|Oo~BX@!fwIX From: karlheg@microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 18 Mar 2002 16:28:10 -0800 Message-ID: <87it7tl7tx.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [PLUG] Test to old address... What sends it back? Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 166 Lines: 6 -- mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://www.microsharp.com phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 From greg@gregory.myftp.org Mon Mar 18 16:39:24 2002 Received: from ts46-01-qdr42.kfalls.or.charter.com ([66.190.240.42] helo=gregory.myftp.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n7et-0003P1-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:39:24 -0800 Received: from (192.168.1.1 [192.168.1.1]) by MailEnable Inbound Mail Agent with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:39:19 -08:00 Message-ID: <3C9688AE.4050104@gregory.myftp.org> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:39:10 -0800 From: Greg Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2.1) Gecko/20010901 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PLUG Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] Poetic justice? Use of MS joystick/mouse hardware in Linux Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: linux@gregory.myftp.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1065 Lines: 23 I have a couple of pieces of hardware that rock under Win of course,
 but since I want to run this box in Linux most of the time, has anyone
been able to get the late-model Sidewinder joysticks or wheel mice to work?

I have a Sidewinder Precision 2 joystick and a Microsoft Laser Mouse
(with the wheel)

Greg

From greg@gregory.myftp.org Mon Mar 18 16:40:32 2002 Received: from ts46-01-qdr42.kfalls.or.charter.com ([66.190.240.42] helo=gregory.myftp.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n7g0-0003Qr-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:40:32 -0800 Received: from (192.168.1.1 [192.168.1.1]) by MailEnable Inbound Mail Agent with ESMTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:40:25 -08:00 Message-ID: <3C965EC0.4050709@gregory.myftp.org> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:40:16 -0800 From: Greg Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2.1) Gecko/20010901 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PLUG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] Poetic justice: MS hardware under Linux :) (Sidewinde/Laser wheel mouse) Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: linux@gregory.myftp.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 316 Lines: 13 I have a couple of pieces of hardware that rock under Win of course, but since I want to run this box in Linux most of the time, has anyone been able to get the late-model Sidewinder joysticks or wheel mice to work? I have a Sidewinder Precision 2 joystick and a Microsoft Laser Mouse (with the wheel) Greg From karlheg@microsharp.com Mon Mar 18 16:40:21 2002 Received: from asl.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.132] helo=juniper.intra.microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n7fo-0003Qf-00; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:40:20 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (karlheg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g2J0eKXZ001462; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:40:20 -0800 Received: (from karlheg@localhost) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) id g2J0eKoM001458; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:40:20 -0800 To: plug-announce@lists.pdxlinux.org To: "Portland Linux User's Group" X-Face: 1v=v?=]<7%cW&OL:Z"GCcdmIN&wp)w|1EKzyC6?qaX;55wwjPfKTm\'7x-gd+KEd`(o&(EQ%(B4]6sZ$|e_FBGTJOvJtHUM>flSNQqfdw.jYZ$jnCERoAX*{4lEJm?EB#V_<2\-#5%#Du/ExQR)juedX>!Cq#;UoAo?|Oo~BX@!fwIX From: karlheg@microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 18 Mar 2002 16:40:20 -0800 Message-ID: <87d6y1l79n.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [PLUG] Lists should be online now! Several new ones exist... Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1289 Lines: 28 I think I've got the lists online finally. It took up more of my day than I wanted to spend, but it's done and I learned a few lessons on the way. The subscribe/unsubscribe and user options URL is below, attached by the Mailman list manager. If you go to the plain "listinfo" URL, you'll see a list of the lists that are available now. For each list you subscribe to, you must set whatever settings you like for that particular list. I don't like that either... It should give each subscriber a meta page to set things for all of the lists they are subscribed to, shouldn't it? Also, for those who prefer to use a News (usenet) reader for this, you may access them all at "news.pdxlinux.org". This is NOT a newsfeed, but rather just the single access point for them, at least for the time being. If you like, you can even unsubscribe from the email lists, and just use the usenet interface. I think that mail sent to the old address should find it's way here now. If you missed any mail while they didn't work right, you might check the archive... It might have gotten there but not sent out. -- mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://www.microsharp.com phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 From judah@opusnet.com Mon Mar 18 16:49:57 2002 Received: from relay1.mentorg.com ([192.94.38.42]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n7p6-0003bh-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:49:56 -0800 Received: from svr-cob-exc-01.cob.mentorg.com ([134.86.112.195] helo=svr-cob-exc-01.cob.mentorg.cpm) by relay1.mentorg.com with esmtp id 16n7oc-0001Ge-00 from judah@opusnet.com ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:49:26 -0800 Received: by svr-cob-exc-01.cob.mentorg.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:48:00 -0700 Received: from w68d176.wv.mentorg.com ([147.34.68.176]) by svr-orw-exc-04.wv.mentorg.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id HGY0CTYD; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:52:11 -0800 From: Aaron Baer To: Aaron Baer Cc: Portland Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [PLUG] Natilus = Bloatware version 3.0? In-Reply-To: <1016495057.4013.14.camel@laptop> References: <01C1C9E0.ADE1D3C0.jorgens@coho.net> <20020318111728.A5188@snoopy.moondog.org> <20020318121736.59193d3b.due.gatti@gmx.net> <1016495057.4013.14.camel@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 18 Mar 2002 16:48:46 -0800 Message-Id: <1016498926.4075.45.camel@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 816 Lines: 32 Though it has some work to go, Nautilus is great! Of course there is nothing like a command line, that goes without saying. But in the days of OSX Nautilus is a great thing.. I use it every day. GO Nautilus!!!!! A- > > > On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 12:17, Greg wrote: > > I agree with you on that one..though a file manager is nice for a quick look, etc, I usually wind up opening up a terminal window and doing the work there, b/c the file manager doesn't do it, or doesn't do it the way *I* want to... > > > > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:17:28 -0800 > > Elden Fenison wrote: > > > > > > > > I guess I really don't see a need for a "file manager" at all in linux. > > > The command line has always worked just peachy. -- ---- Aaron Baer judah@opusnet.com http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/ From karlheg@microsharp.com Mon Mar 18 16:50:30 2002 Received: from asl.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.132] helo=juniper.intra.microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n7pe-0003dA-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:50:30 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (karlheg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g2J0oUXZ002201 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:50:30 -0800 Received: (from karlheg@localhost) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) id g2J0oUEk002197; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:50:30 -0800 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] unsubscribe References: <006201c1ce35$6f7f8060$8980a8c0@skybuster.net> X-Face: 1v=v?=]<7%cW&OL:Z"GCcdmIN&wp)w|1EKzyC6?qaX;55wwjPfKTm\'7x-gd+KEd`(o&(EQ%(B4]6sZ$|e_FBGTJOvJtHUM>flSNQqfdw.jYZ$jnCERoAX*{4lEJm?EB#V_<2\-#5%#Du/ExQR)juedX>!Cq#;UoAo?|Oo~BX@!fwIX From: karlheg@microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) In-Reply-To: Date: 18 Mar 2002 16:50:30 -0800 Message-ID: <871yehl6sp.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 569 Lines: 16 >>>>> "Rick" == Rick Konold writes: Rick> On Sunday 17 March 2002 20:29, you hammered the keyboard to write: >> unsubscribe >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick> To unsubscribe from the PLUG list visit http://www.pdxlinux.org/mailing_list/ No longer true! -- mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://www.microsharp.com phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 From greg@gregory.myftp.org Mon Mar 18 16:56:16 2002 Received: from ts46-01-qdr42.kfalls.or.charter.com ([66.190.240.42] helo=gregory.myftp.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n7vE-0003im-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:56:16 -0800 Received: from (192.168.1.1 [192.168.1.1]) by MailEnable Inbound Mail Agent with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:56:03 -08:00 Message-ID: <3C968C9A.3040400@gregory.myftp.org> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:55:54 -0800 From: Greg Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2.1) Gecko/20010901 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org CC: Aaron Baer Subject: Re: [PLUG] Natilus = Bloatware version 3.0? - not on a Tbird 1333 / 1gb RAM References: <01C1C9E0.ADE1D3C0.jorgens@coho.net> <20020318111728.A5188@snoopy.moondog.org> <20020318121736.59193d3b.due.gatti@gmx.net> <1016495057.4013.14.camel@laptop> <1016498926.4075.45.camel@laptop> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: linux@gregory.myftp.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1644 Lines: 33 I have to comment on my earlier message - it rocks on the 1gb Athalon 1333mhz system I said I was putting Redhat 7.2 on.  But so does XP in performance, when you throw a lot of resources at it.

I will be fair, I do like the interface, but it defintely lags a bit on the 233mhz/128mb RAM box.


Aaron Baer wrote:
Though it has some work to go, Nautilus is great! 
 
Of course there is nothing like a command line, that goes without
saying.

But in the days of OSX Nautilus is a great thing.. I use it every day.
 
GO Nautilus!!!!!
 
A-
 


On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 12:17, Greg wrote:
I agree with you on that one..though a file manager is nice for a quick look, etc, I usually wind up opening up a terminal window and doing the work there, b/c the file manager doesn't do it, or doesn't do it the way *I* want to...

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:17:28 -0800
Elden Fenison <efug@moondog.org> wrote:

I guess I really don't see a need for a "file manager" at all in linux.
The command line has always worked just peachy.




From mike@computer-arts.net Mon Mar 18 17:12:47 2002 Received: from puddleglum.computer-arts.net ([206.163.86.246]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n8BD-0003ym-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:12:47 -0800 Received: from computer-arts.net (malacandra.computer-arts.net [206.163.86.243]) by puddleglum.computer-arts.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2J1CkW03197 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:12:46 -0800 Message-ID: <3C96908E.35CDB5A8@computer-arts.net> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:12:46 -0800 From: Mike Witt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] plug.general? Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 203 Lines: 7 Is plug.general supposed to be the newsgroup that corresponds to the main [PLUG] mailing list? My news reader claims that that particular one doesn't exist on the server. (The rest work for me) -Mike From nmeyers@javalinux.net Mon Mar 18 17:14:25 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com ([216.148.227.87]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n8Cn-000407-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:14:25 -0800 Received: from turing.home.network ([12.224.156.137]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020319011354.FJUW1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@turing.home.network> for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 01:13:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turing.home.network (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F7E11875 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by turing.home.network (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3777C11874; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:13:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:13:50 -0800 From: Nathan Meyers To: plug@pdxlinux.org Message-ID: <20020319011350.GA1243@javalinux.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Subject: [PLUG] Re: Mandrake 8.2 hits the streets Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 709 Lines: 22 (Resend - maybe a mailing list hiccough due to today's activities) Mandrake announced its 8.2 release today: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/82.php It's got the customary hundreds-of-new-things-and-improved-GUIs. A couple of additions that jump out at me are: - Encrypted filesystems - A new "minimal installation mode" that delivers a functioning Linux system in 65 Mb They're pushing memberships in their "Mandrake Club" - a voluntary way to pay them (and help them through a temporary cash crunch... ah, the joys of startups!). Membership gives you access to some commercial applications, trading of MandrakeSoft stock, and, most importantly, a place in MandrakeSoft's "Hall of Fame". Nathan From LeviSuse@attbi.com Mon Mar 18 17:31:00 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com ([216.148.227.87]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n8Sq-0004Fd-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:31:00 -0800 Received: from attbi.com ([12.224.172.252]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020319013029.GCGQ1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 01:30:29 +0000 Message-ID: <3C969545.CFCCD463@attbi.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:32:53 -0800 From: Doug Layne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.16-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Revolution OS: Movie Review References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA640@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 276 Lines: 7 > "Craighead, Scot D" wrote: > > I have cable, but I can't seem to find this anywhere. I'm looking at > tvguide.com. I live in Tigard and have AT&T digital cable. Does > anyone know what channel it is on? On the sundance channel--500 to 525 but it escapes at the moment. From bigfish@kippered.herring.org Mon Mar 18 17:37:03 2002 Received: from pickled.herring.org ([216.99.203.246] helo=kippered.herring.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n8Yh-0004L5-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:37:03 -0800 Received: (from bigfish@localhost) by kippered.herring.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2J1b1q29755 for plug@lists.pdxlinux.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:37:01 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:37:01 -0800 From: Sandy Herring To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Poetic justice: MS hardware under Linux :) (Sidewinde/Laser wheel mouse) Message-ID: <20020318173701.A29604@kippered.herring.org> References: <3C965EC0.4050709@gregory.myftp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3C965EC0.4050709@gregory.myftp.org>; from greg@gregory.myftp.org on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 01:40:16PM -0800 Organization: Peck of Pickled Pisces X-URL: http://herring.org/ X-GnuPG-keyservers: http://www.keyserver.net/ -or- http://pgp.mit.edu/ X-terminate: rm -rf /bin/laden Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: sandy@herring.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1551 Lines: 53 --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dunno about the joystick, Greg - but here's what's working for me in Mouseville... [bigfish@kippered bigfish]$ cat /etc/sysconfig/mouse MOUSETYPE=3D"imps2" XMOUSETYPE=3D"IMPS/2" FULLNAME=3D"Microsoft IntelliMouse (PS/2)" XEMU3=3Dno DEVICE=3D/dev/mouse Sandy [playing cat and mouse :-) ] *and ducking* On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Greg Long wrote:=20 > I have a couple of pieces of hardware that rock under Win of course, > but since I want to run this box in Linux most of the time, has anyone > been able to get the late-model Sidewinder joysticks or wheel mice to wor= k? >=20 > I have a Sidewinder Precision 2 joystick and a Microsoft Laser Mouse > (with the wheel) >=20 > Greg --=20 Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =3D>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.a= sc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8lpY9A9fK8s8EnOcRAtucAJ9QdCUAzwxPD18yrVzj+YP5g8DzQACaAiox inOGsl1YCwRwTGaweuqfgSo= =Nf+Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB-- From bigfish@kippered.herring.org Mon Mar 18 17:38:25 2002 Received: from pickled.herring.org ([216.99.203.246] helo=kippered.herring.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n8a1-0004MW-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:38:25 -0800 Received: (from bigfish@localhost) by kippered.herring.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2J1cOU29764 for plug@lists.pdxlinux.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:38:24 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:38:24 -0800 From: Sandy Herring To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Revolution OS: Movie Review Message-ID: <20020318173824.B29604@kippered.herring.org> References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA640@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> <3C969545.CFCCD463@attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CUfgB8w4ZwR/yMy5" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3C969545.CFCCD463@attbi.com>; from LeviSuse@attbi.com on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 05:32:53PM -0800 Organization: Peck of Pickled Pisces X-URL: http://herring.org/ X-GnuPG-keyservers: http://www.keyserver.net/ -or- http://pgp.mit.edu/ X-terminate: rm -rf /bin/laden Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: sandy@herring.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1240 Lines: 39 --CUfgB8w4ZwR/yMy5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Doug Layne wrote:=20 > > "Craighead, Scot D" wrote: > >=20 > > I have cable, but I can't seem to find this anywhere. I'm looking at > > tvguide.com. I live in Tigard and have AT&T digital cable. Does > > anyone know what channel it is on? > On the sundance channel--500 to 525 but it escapes at the moment. IIRC, it was 526 on DirectTV. Sandy --=20 Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =3D>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.a= sc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. --CUfgB8w4ZwR/yMy5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8lpaPA9fK8s8EnOcRAhpDAJ9KgByWqXXVKy3nWNVmqgYEVBo8WQCfRn88 rT2fQyCtikzgoBEJN+qA8tk= =x4FJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CUfgB8w4ZwR/yMy5-- From dmandel@pdxlinux.org Mon Mar 18 17:39:10 2002 Received: from [206.190.130.150] (helo=sco302.avalongroup.net) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n8ak-0004NX-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:39:10 -0800 Received: from localhost (plug@localhost) by sco302.avalongroup.net (8.11.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id g2J1RoV16560 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:27:50 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:27:50 -0800 (PST) From: David Mandel To: Subject: Re: [PLUG] "Revolution OS" In-Reply-To: <20020317174625.H2312@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1235 Lines: 33 On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: > > If enough people are interested, that would be a good approach. The > Hollywood Theater doesn't list their rates on-line, but they do have a > contact number... > > http://www.hollywoodtheatre.org/rental/index.shtml > Sandy, This is an interesting idea. Sincerely, David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 1440 NE 59th Portland, Oregon 97213 (360) 260-2066 at work (541) 730-5285 cell ====================================================================== David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com Other Affiliations David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org ====================================================================== From smathews@pcez.com Mon Mar 18 17:50:32 2002 Received: from mail.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.135] helo=microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n8lk-0004Xv-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:50:32 -0800 Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by microsharp.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2J1qqE03909 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:52:52 -0800 Received: from pcez.com (dsl-gte-ip21.pop1.net [208.170.193.21]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA02045 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:51:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host dsl-gte-ip21.pop1.net [208.170.193.21] claimed to be pcez.com Message-ID: <3C9698B0.F5CD1B04@pcez.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:47:28 -0800 From: Stuart Mathews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@pdxlinux.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] Monitor wanted... Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 171 Lines: 9 Many thanks to Mike De La Mater for providing a fine monitor for my "test & dev." box. And thanks to all for the other posts about this.... Thanks again Mike! Stuart From bigfish@kippered.herring.org Mon Mar 18 18:14:18 2002 Received: from kippered.herring.org ([216.99.203.246]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n98k-0004je-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:14:18 -0800 Received: (from bigfish@localhost) by kippered.herring.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2J2EHZ30015 for plug@lists.pdxlinux.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:14:17 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:14:16 -0800 From: Sandy Herring To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] "Revolution OS" Message-ID: <20020318181416.C29604@kippered.herring.org> References: <20020317174625.H2312@kippered.herring.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6zdv2QT/q3FMhpsV" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from dmandel@pdxlinux.org on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 05:27:50PM -0800 Organization: Peck of Pickled Pisces X-URL: http://herring.org/ X-GnuPG-keyservers: http://www.keyserver.net/ -or- http://pgp.mit.edu/ X-terminate: rm -rf /bin/laden Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: sandy@herring.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1340 Lines: 47 --6zdv2QT/q3FMhpsV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, David Mandel wrote:=20 > On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: >=20 > > > > If enough people are interested, that would be a good approach. The > > Hollywood Theater doesn't list their rates on-line, but they do have a > > contact number... > > > > http://www.hollywoodtheatre.org/rental/index.shtml > > >=20 > Sandy, >=20 > This is an interesting idea. It was actually Russell's idea. I am taping it (hopefully) as I type, though. Sandy --=20 Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =3D>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.a= sc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. --6zdv2QT/q3FMhpsV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8lp74A9fK8s8EnOcRAlEVAJ90RHkTAb3wTIDIYscumlM0UofD1QCeP/Op Jr8EzNYnhuQKcbjGwjZMzu4= =5srC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6zdv2QT/q3FMhpsV-- From guyh@aracnet.com Mon Mar 18 18:29:38 2002 Received: from mail3.aracnet.com ([216.99.193.38]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n9Na-0004rk-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:29:38 -0800 Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (216-99-194-116.dial.spiritone.com [216.99.194.116]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2J2TqEe001018 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:29:53 -0800 Received: from localhost (hammg@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA05192 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:29:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: hammg owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:29:34 -0800 (PST) From: Guy Hammer X-Sender: hammg@noname.nodomain.nowhere To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Revolution OS: Movie Review In-Reply-To: <20020318173824.B29604@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 287 Lines: 13 On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: > IIRC, it was 526 on DirectTV. I just checked - Sundance is 549 on DirectTV. I don't get it though. >:-( -- Guy Hammer, guyh@aracnet.com http://www.aracnet.com/~guyh -- 6:27pm up 1 day, 2:54, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From bigfish@kippered.herring.org Mon Mar 18 18:41:09 2002 Received: from pickled.herring.org ([216.99.203.246] helo=kippered.herring.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16n9Yi-00050e-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:41:09 -0800 Received: (from bigfish@localhost) by kippered.herring.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2J2f7Q30204 for plug@lists.pdxlinux.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:41:07 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:41:07 -0800 From: Sandy Herring To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Revolution OS: Movie Review Message-ID: <20020318184107.D29604@kippered.herring.org> References: <20020318173824.B29604@kippered.herring.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a2FkP9tdjPU2nyhF" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from guyh@aracnet.com on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 06:29:34PM -0800 Organization: Peck of Pickled Pisces X-URL: http://herring.org/ X-GnuPG-keyservers: http://www.keyserver.net/ -or- http://pgp.mit.edu/ X-terminate: rm -rf /bin/laden Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: sandy@herring.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1188 Lines: 39 --a2FkP9tdjPU2nyhF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Guy Hammer wrote:=20 > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: >=20 > > IIRC, it was 526 on DirectTV. >=20 > I just checked - Sundance is 549 on DirectTV. I don't get it though. >:-( hrmm... well, I hope that my memory is faulty. I'm still at work, so I can't do anything about it now. Sandy --=20 Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =3D>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.a= sc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. --a2FkP9tdjPU2nyhF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8lqVDA9fK8s8EnOcRAiW0AJ9GvokaAbDGhsMXuinqadqTBtBBjACgjo0J LmyQPfbv3qayfokw/x5hE/c= =9Lap -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --a2FkP9tdjPU2nyhF-- From greg@gregory.myftp.org Mon Mar 18 19:48:58 2002 Received: from ts46-01-qdr42.kfalls.or.charter.com ([66.190.240.42] helo=gregory.myftp.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nAcM-0005KE-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:48:58 -0800 Received: from (192.168.1.1 [192.168.1.1]) by MailEnable Inbound Mail Agent with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:48:51 -08:00 Message-ID: <3C96B515.1060407@gregory.myftp.org> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:48:37 -0800 From: Greg Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2.1) Gecko/20010901 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Poetic justice: MS hardware under Linux :) (Sidewinde/Laser wheel mouse) References: <3C965EC0.4050709@gregory.myftp.org> <20020318173701.A29604@kippered.herring.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: linux@gregory.myftp.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 736 Lines: 35 got the mouse working :) Sandy Herring wrote: >Dunno about the joystick, Greg - but here's what's working for me in >Mouseville... > >[bigfish@kippered bigfish]$ cat /etc/sysconfig/mouse >MOUSETYPE="imps2" >XMOUSETYPE="IMPS/2" >FULLNAME="Microsoft IntelliMouse (PS/2)" >XEMU3=no >DEVICE=/dev/mouse > >Sandy [playing cat and mouse :-) ] >*and ducking* > > >On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Greg Long wrote: > >>I have a couple of pieces of hardware that rock under Win of course, >> but since I want to run this box in Linux most of the time, has anyone >>been able to get the late-model Sidewinder joysticks or wheel mice to work? >> >>I have a Sidewinder Precision 2 joystick and a Microsoft Laser Mouse >>(with the wheel) >> >>Greg >> > From bigfish@kippered.herring.org Mon Mar 18 20:46:36 2002 Received: from kippered.herring.org ([216.99.203.246]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nBW8-0005gT-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:46:36 -0800 Received: (from bigfish@localhost) by kippered.herring.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2J4kZ231245 for plug@lists.pdxlinux.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:46:35 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:46:35 -0800 From: Sandy Herring To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Revolution OS: Movie Review Message-ID: <20020318204635.A31220@kippered.herring.org> References: <20020318173824.B29604@kippered.herring.org> <20020318184107.D29604@kippered.herring.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020318184107.D29604@kippered.herring.org>; from sandy@herring.org on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 06:41:07PM -0800 Organization: Peck of Pickled Pisces X-URL: http://herring.org/ X-GnuPG-keyservers: http://www.keyserver.net/ -or- http://pgp.mit.edu/ X-terminate: rm -rf /bin/laden Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: sandy@herring.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1844 Lines: 55 --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Sandy Herring wrote:=20 > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Guy Hammer wrote:=20 > > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: > >=20 > > > IIRC, it was 526 on DirectTV. > >=20 > > I just checked - Sundance is 549 on DirectTV. I don't get it though. >:= -( >=20 > hrmm... well, I hope that my memory is faulty. I'm still at work, so I ca= n't > do anything about it now. # #### #### #### #### # # # # # #=20 # # # # # # # # # # # # # #=20 # # # # # # # # # # # # # #=20 # # # # # # # # # # # # # #=20 # # # # # # # ## # ## ##### ##### # #=20 ##### #### #### # # # # # # # # # #=20 # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #=20 # # # # # # # # # # # # # # =20 # # # # # # ### ### # # # # # #=20 The good news is, I got the channel correct. The bad news is I somehow set the _day_ for Tuesday *sigh*. Sorry, everybody :-( Sandy --=20 Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =3D>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.a= sc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8lsKrA9fK8s8EnOcRAtkpAKCNCw/jqqZulom123/4mxjKoG96JQCfXBUO aYjTNkdVMSDFmtoelxe/K8c= =s5WQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP-- From launi@zaramyth.net Mon Mar 18 20:51:25 2002 Received: from mail.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.135] helo=microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nBan-0005k5-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:51:25 -0800 Received: from zulu.launi.com (216-99-199-104.cust.aracnet.com [216.99.199.104]) by microsharp.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2J4riE06737 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:53:44 -0800 Received: from there (www.carscallen.net [216.99.199.109]) by zulu.launi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 74C481CC620 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:50:53 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Lonnie Wormley To: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] SSH MySQL and JBuilder 6 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:50:44 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020319045053.74C481CC620@zulu.launi.com> Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 3254 Lines: 89 On Monday 18 March 2002 09:34 am, Longman, Bill wrote: Thanks for your reply, I'm digesting it now. > > I'm having problems making a SSH connection to port 3306. > > I'm also trying > > to set up the new JDBC driver so that JBuilder can connect to MySQL. > > > > I have the database up and running and can access it remotely > > using WebAdmin. > > I have Open SSH running on my Mandrake 8.1 server. When I > > try to telnet to > > my server using port 3306 it fails to connect, how do I set > > an SSH connection > > using port 3306? > > > > ssh -L 3306:username:3306 hostname > > I'm surprised this works. The second token of arg 2 should be a host, not a > user. > > I have always found port forwarding rather confusing, so don't think it's > just you. I've found it easiest to remember that -L is for local > *connections*. > > When I'm at home and I want to connect to my machine at work's port 444, I > give this command: > > ssh -L localPortNumber:myWorkMachine:444 myFireWallMachine > > In human language, that says set up a local port on port localPortNumber > that connects through myFireWallMachine and terminates at port 444 on > myWorkMachine. Now I just talk locally to port localPortNumber and it's > like I'm on the machine at work. > > You might also throw in "-N -f" as two other args so the connection just > goes to the background after getting through. > > Final ssh really-makes-it-easy caveat: use ssh-agent and ssh-add. When I > start X, my command is "exec ssh-agent xterm -ls". Then I do "ssh-add > ~/.ssh/id_rsa" and from there on, any subprocesses have my tokens and I can > get where I need to without the hassle of password prompts. (Assuming I've > copied my public key to the remote host...). > > > This command works but how do I make this work with MySQL? > > > > I've read tutorials and have been scanning the Borland news > > groups. I'm > > missing a concept somewhere and I'm just trying to learn SSH > > and Java at the > > same time. Learning two things at once for me is difficult > > so some clues > > would be appreciated. > > > > My JBuilder driver > > org.git.mm.mysql.Driver > > > > This is my sample connect string. > > jdbc:mysql://[hostname][:port]/[dbname] [?param1=value1] > > Once you've gotten the connection going, (from my example above), your > connect string would be something like this: > > jdbc:mysql://localhost:localPortNumber/fooDB [?param1=barVal] > > > So somehow I have to translate my driver connection into a > > SSH port on 3306 > > on my server. All I'm trying to do is work on the JBuilder > > tutorials from my > > laptop to my server. My laptop is on different network than > > my server (two > > static IPs). > > > > If anyone has done this and can help that would be great. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- Support PLUG and the Open Source Community > http://www.linuxfund.org/lugs/?lug=plug To unsubscribe from the PLUG list > visit http://www.pdxlinux.org/mailing_list/ -- ____________________________________________ Lonnie Wormley launi@zaramyth.net [Linux and Java] lonnie@launi.com [Window$ and graphics] http://www.launi.com http://www.zaramyth.net ____________________________________________ From bigfish@kippered.herring.org Mon Mar 18 21:10:46 2002 Received: from kippered.herring.org ([216.99.203.246]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nBtW-0005tP-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:10:46 -0800 Received: (from bigfish@localhost) by kippered.herring.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2J5Ajp31612 for plug@lists.pdxlinux.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:10:45 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:10:45 -0800 From: Sandy Herring To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Revolution OS: Movie Review Message-ID: <20020318211045.B31220@kippered.herring.org> References: <20020318173824.B29604@kippered.herring.org> <20020318184107.D29604@kippered.herring.org> <20020318204635.A31220@kippered.herring.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vGgW1X5XWziG23Ko" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020318204635.A31220@kippered.herring.org>; from sandy@herring.org on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 08:46:35PM -0800 Organization: Peck of Pickled Pisces X-URL: http://herring.org/ X-GnuPG-keyservers: http://www.keyserver.net/ -or- http://pgp.mit.edu/ X-terminate: rm -rf /bin/laden Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: sandy@herring.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 2054 Lines: 59 --vGgW1X5XWziG23Ko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Sandy Herring wrote:=20 > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Sandy Herring wrote:=20 > > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Guy Hammer wrote:=20 > > > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: > > >=20 > > > > IIRC, it was 526 on DirectTV. > > >=20 > > > I just checked - Sundance is 549 on DirectTV. I don't get it though. = >:-( > >=20 > > hrmm... well, I hope that my memory is faulty. I'm still at work, so I = can't > > do anything about it now. >=20 > # #### #### #### #### # # # # # #=20 > # # # # # # # # # # # # # #=20 > # # # # # # # # # # # # # #=20 > # # # # # # # # # # # # # #=20 > # # # # # # # ## # ## ##### ##### # #=20 > ##### #### #### # # # # # # # # # #=20 > # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #=20 > # # # # # # # # # # # # # # =20 > # # # # # # ### ### # # # # # #=20 >=20 > The good news is, I got the channel correct. The bad news is I somehow set > the _day_ for Tuesday *sigh*. Sorry, everybody :-( All is not lost. Liz just checked. It's on again Friday at 3pm. This time fer sure! (or I'll go back to DOS 2.0). Sandy --=20 Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =3D>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.a= sc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. --vGgW1X5XWziG23Ko Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8lshVA9fK8s8EnOcRAjS5AJ9aoQ19gqGuUhM6rs78PDG8R7/dVgCfXXCh NEEq14b7d1S8SJdlC4zm+Vo= =ZYSU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vGgW1X5XWziG23Ko-- From brentwashburne@attbi.com Mon Mar 18 21:18:25 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com ([216.148.227.87]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nC0s-0005xP-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:18:25 -0800 Received: from computer.attbi.com ([12.224.27.197]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020319051751.BRZG1262.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@computer.attbi.com> for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 05:17:51 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318211758.00a6ddd0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: brentwashburne@attbi.com@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:18:24 -0800 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org From: Brent Washburne Subject: Re: [PLUG] "Revolution OS" In-Reply-To: References: <20020317174625.H2312@kippered.herring.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 46 Lines: 3 I'll just wait for it to come out on video. From robbertv@vafam.com Mon Mar 18 21:18:27 2002 Received: from mail.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.135] helo=microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nC0x-0005xQ-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:18:27 -0800 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by microsharp.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g2J5KkE06982 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:20:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 19532 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 05:17:56 -0000 Received: from leo.hosting4u.net (HELO vafam.com) (209.15.2.51) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 05:17:56 -0000 Received: from main ([12.225.235.159]) by vafam.com ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:17:51 -0600 From: "Robbert van Andel" To: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:17:48 -0800 Message-ID: <002601c1cf05$69af8060$6401a8c0@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020318061936.31083.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [PLUG] (no subject) Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 318 Lines: 9 I recently obtained a router to connect to my ATT Cable modem. My Linux machine can see my router and I can configure in there. The Ethernet card is set use DHCP but I cannot browse the Internet. Any ideas? I've tried setting up a static IP within the router's network, but that did not work. Robbert van Andel From pcwren@email.msn.com Mon Mar 18 21:19:40 2002 Received: from cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com ([207.46.181.84]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nC28-0005zR-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:19:40 -0800 Received: from father ([63.224.229.19]) by cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:17:50 -0800 From: "Philip Wren" To: "Owner-Plug" Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:18:19 -0800 Message-ID: <004a01c1cf05$7b947ec0$6f00000a@mshome.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01C1CEC2.6D713EC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2002 05:17:50.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A036CC0:01C1CF05] Subject: [PLUG] NIC Card installation under Redhat 7.1 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 8834 Lines: 287 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C1CEC2.6D713EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good Morning, all I am a newbie to Linux and I am currently working on a box that I would like to have two Nic cards in it. the system is: Model : Deskpro 4000 CPU : Intel 166 Hard : 2 gigs cdrom : yes Floppy : yes O/S : Redhat 7.1 I used the drivers located on the 3com site first and then a generic driver I located that said it supported the Nic card I was using. It is configured as a NFS server as part of a project I am doing.I want to install the 3com card (3c905b) as well as have the integrated Nic work but when I try to install the rpm that has the drive in it I get : Modules should never use kernel-header system headers and But headers from an appropriate kernel-source When I try to do "rpm -bb SPECS/bcm5700.spec" command to create the rpm to install.if I understand the instructions correctly. If anyone has thoughts about how to correct this let me know.thanks. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C1CEC2.6D713EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Good Morning, all

 

        = ;    I am a newbie to Linux and I am currently working on a box that I would like to = have two Nic cards in it. the system = is:

 

Model  : Deskpro = 4000

CPU    : Intel = 166

Hard    : 2 = gigs

cdrom = : = yes

Floppy = : = yes

 

O/S     : Redhat = 7.1

 

I used the drivers located on the 3com site first and = then a generic driver I located that said it supported the Nic card I was = using…

 

        = ;    It is configured as a NFS server as part of a project I am doing…I want = to install the 3com card (3c905b) as well as have the integrated Nic work = but when I try to install the rpm that has the drive in it I get = :

 

Modules should never use kernel-header system headers

and =

But headers from an = appropriate kernel-source

 

When I try to do “rpm –bb SPECS/bcm5700.spec” command to create the rpm to install…if = I understand the instructions correctly. If anyone has thoughts about how = to correct this let me know…thanks.

 

------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C1CEC2.6D713EC0-- From robbertv@vafam.com Mon Mar 18 21:27:18 2002 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net ([209.15.2.37]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nC9W-000698-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:27:18 -0800 Received: (qmail 22055 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 05:27:18 -0000 Received: from leo.hosting4u.net (HELO vafam.com) (209.15.2.51) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 05:27:18 -0000 Received: from main ([12.225.235.159]) by vafam.com ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:27:14 -0600 From: "Robbert van Andel" To: Subject: RE: [PLUG] (no subject) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:27:11 -0800 Message-ID: <003201c1cf06$b8f79030$6401a8c0@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002601c1cf05$69af8060$6401a8c0@main> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Rcpt-To: Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 823 Lines: 26 As a follow up. I am able to browse via ip, so it's obviously a dns issue. Does linux have the ability to get dns information dynamically? -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Robbert van Andel Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:18 PM To: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] (no subject) I recently obtained a router to connect to my ATT Cable modem. My Linux machine can see my router and I can configure in there. The Ethernet card is set use DHCP but I cannot browse the Internet. Any ideas? I've tried setting up a static IP within the router's network, but that did not work. Robbert van Andel _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From nmeyers@javalinux.net Mon Mar 18 21:35:49 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com ([216.148.227.88]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nCHl-0006G7-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:35:49 -0800 Received: from turing.home.network ([12.224.156.137]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020319053518.TVZT1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@turing.home.network> for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 05:35:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turing.home.network (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984A411875 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by turing.home.network (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3B84911874; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:35:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:35:12 -0800 From: Nathan Meyers To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] NIC Card installation under Redhat 7.1 Message-ID: <20020319053512.GA4887@javalinux.net> References: <004a01c1cf05$7b947ec0$6f00000a@mshome.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <004a01c1cf05$7b947ec0$6f00000a@mshome.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1034 Lines: 31 On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:18:19PM -0800, Philip Wren wrote: > Good Morning, all > > I am a newbie to Linux and I am currently working on a box > that I would like to have two Nic cards in it. the system is: > > Model : Deskpro 4000 > CPU : Intel 166 > Hard : 2 gigs > cdrom : yes > Floppy : yes > > O/S : Redhat 7.1 > > I used the drivers located on the 3com site first and then a generic > driver I located that said it supported the Nic card I was using. It's very unlikely you need additional drivers. The Linux kernel includes many drivers, including 3c905b, and the RedHat distro tends to ship every available driver as a module. So I'd recommend forgetting additional drivers - just turn on the network cards with what comes with RH. Loading the driver "3c90x" should do the trick. I don't know if this is enough information for you... it sounds like you know how to load drivers and associate them with network devices. If not, ask away and I'm sure more detail will be forthcoming. Nathan From guyh@aracnet.com Mon Mar 18 21:46:16 2002 Received: from mail3.aracnet.com ([216.99.193.38]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nCRs-0006MK-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:46:16 -0800 Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (216-99-198-46.dial.spiritone.com [216.99.198.46]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2J5kVEe025049 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:46:31 -0800 Received: from localhost (hammg@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA05799 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:46:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: hammg owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:45:41 -0800 (PST) From: Guy Hammer X-Sender: hammg@noname.nodomain.nowhere To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Revolution OS: Movie Review In-Reply-To: <20020318204635.A31220@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 441 Lines: 17 On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: > The good news is, I got the channel correct. The bad news is I somehow set > the _day_ for Tuesday *sigh*. Sorry, everybody :-( Um, _which_ channel, 526 or 549? I'd like to know if my DirectTV receiver's program guide is giving accurate information... :-) -- Guy Hammer, guyh@aracnet.com http://www.aracnet.com/~guyh -- 9:38pm up 1 day, 6:05, 7 users, load average: 1.09, 1.03, 0.93 From rsteff@attbi.com Mon Mar 18 21:58:33 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com ([216.148.227.87]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nCdl-0006TQ-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:58:33 -0800 Received: from attbi.com ([12.224.117.99]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020319055802.PXIM1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 05:58:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3C96D369.35E2DB51@attbi.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:58:01 -0800 From: Richard Steffens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Using a router with AT&T cable, was (no subject) References: <003201c1cf06$b8f79030$6401a8c0@main> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1263 Lines: 36 Robbert van Andel wrote: > As a follow up. I am able to browse via ip, so it's obviously a dns > issue. Does linux have the ability to get dns information dynamically? > I recently obtained a router to connect to my ATT Cable modem. My Linux > machine can see my router and I can configure in there. The Ethernet > card is set use DHCP but I cannot browse the Internet. Any ideas? I've > tried setting up a static IP within the router's network, but that did > not work. Back in November, while trying to figure out how to run Apache on one of my Linux machines for the benefit of other machines on my internal network, Nathan Meyers gave me this advice: > > So, if I set the IP address on that machine, it won't try to get one > > from the router, but could still use the router's DNS service? > > Yes, although you'll need to be sure to tell the host to use the router's > DNS. The host is probably gleaning that information from DHCP reply > right now, so you'll need to add an entry in /etc/resolv.conf that looks > something like this: > > nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > > where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the router's inward-facing address. Hope this helps. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From robbertv@vafam.com Mon Mar 18 22:03:58 2002 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net ([209.15.2.37]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nCj0-0006Wv-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:03:58 -0800 Received: (qmail 31395 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 06:03:57 -0000 Received: from leo.hosting4u.net (HELO vafam.com) (209.15.2.51) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 06:03:57 -0000 Received: from main ([12.225.235.159]) by vafam.com ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:03:55 -0600 From: "Robbert van Andel" To: Subject: RE: [PLUG] (no subject) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:03:49 -0800 Message-ID: <003801c1cf0b$d84d0280$6401a8c0@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003201c1cf06$b8f79030$6401a8c0@main> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Rcpt-To: Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1279 Lines: 43 Okay last one, I promise. I figured it out and am now connecting to the network. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Robbert van Andel Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:27 PM To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: RE: [PLUG] (no subject) As a follow up. I am able to browse via ip, so it's obviously a dns issue. Does linux have the ability to get dns information dynamically? -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Robbert van Andel Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:18 PM To: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] (no subject) I recently obtained a router to connect to my ATT Cable modem. My Linux machine can see my router and I can configure in there. The Ethernet card is set use DHCP but I cannot browse the Internet. Any ideas? I've tried setting up a static IP within the router's network, but that did not work. Robbert van Andel _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From mikedela@ipns.com Mon Mar 18 22:09:12 2002 Received: from mailman.ipns.com ([208.187.190.3]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nCo3-0006cF-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:09:11 -0800 Received: from miked ([63.230.184.132]) by mailman.ipns.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2J67SE3045771 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:07:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Mike De La Mater" To: Subject: RE: [PLUG] Poetic justice? Use of MS joystick/mouse hardware in Linux Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:09:09 -0800 Message-ID: <002b01c1cf0c$95db02c0$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <3C9688AE.4050104@gregory.myftp.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1159 Lines: 42 My MS wheel mouse runs GREAT with no tweaking under RH 7.2. It was autodetected and worked out of the box. I'm not much of a joystick guy, though. ___________________ Mike De La Mater www.theplatinumrule.com PC repairs, Network Consulting, Web Services, etc. 25 years experience mikedela@ipns.com 503-702-6749 //// (0 0) ooO (_) Ooo -=-=-=-=-=- Effective Computer Services -=-=-=-=-=- (_) (_) -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Greg Long Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:39 PM To: PLUG Subject: [PLUG] Poetic justice? Use of MS joystick/mouse hardware in Linux I have a couple of pieces of hardware that rock under Win of course, but since I want to run this box in Linux most of the time, has anyone been able to get the late-model Sidewinder joysticks or wheel mice to work? I have a Sidewinder Precision 2 joystick and a Microsoft Laser Mouse (with the wheel) Greg _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From robbertv@vafam.com Mon Mar 18 22:16:06 2002 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net ([209.15.2.70]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nCuj-0006gE-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:16:05 -0800 Received: (qmail 3914 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 06:16:05 -0000 Received: from leo.hosting4u.net (HELO vafam.com) (209.15.2.51) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 06:16:05 -0000 Received: from main ([12.225.235.159]) by vafam.com ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:15:59 -0600 From: "Robbert van Andel" To: Subject: RE: [PLUG] Using a router with AT&T cable, was (no subject) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:15:54 -0800 Message-ID: <004301c1cf0d$87e01a60$6401a8c0@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C96D369.35E2DB51@attbi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Rcpt-To: Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1847 Lines: 60 What I did was check a box in the TCP/IP configuration to get dns information from the host, or something like that. I rebooted (okay, so I use windows a lot) and it worked. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Richard Steffens Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:58 PM To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Using a router with AT&T cable, was (no subject) Robbert van Andel wrote: > As a follow up. I am able to browse via ip, so it's obviously a dns > issue. Does linux have the ability to get dns information dynamically? > I recently obtained a router to connect to my ATT Cable modem. My Linux > machine can see my router and I can configure in there. The Ethernet > card is set use DHCP but I cannot browse the Internet. Any ideas? I've > tried setting up a static IP within the router's network, but that did > not work. Back in November, while trying to figure out how to run Apache on one of my Linux machines for the benefit of other machines on my internal network, Nathan Meyers gave me this advice: > > So, if I set the IP address on that machine, it won't try to get one > > from the router, but could still use the router's DNS service? > > Yes, although you'll need to be sure to tell the host to use the router's > DNS. The host is probably gleaning that information from DHCP reply > right now, so you'll need to add an entry in /etc/resolv.conf that looks > something like this: > > nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > > where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the router's inward-facing address. Hope this helps. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From due.gatti@gmx.net Mon Mar 18 22:23:47 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com ([216.148.227.88]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nD2B-0006n0-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:23:47 -0800 Received: from Catbox.localhost ([12.224.226.24]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020319062316.VDHZ1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@Catbox.localhost> for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:23:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:25:04 -0800 From: Greg To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Using a router with AT&T cable, was (no subject) Message-Id: <20020318222504.7b8249e9.due.gatti@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <004301c1cf0d$87e01a60$6401a8c0@main> References: <3C96D369.35E2DB51@attbi.com> <004301c1cf0d$87e01a60$6401a8c0@main> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 305 Lines: 8 Don't worry. That, too, shall pass. ;) On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:15:54 -0800 "Robbert van Andel" wrote: > What I did was check a box in the TCP/IP configuration to get dns > information from the host, or something like that. I rebooted (okay, so > I use windows a lot) and it worked. From alan@clueserver.org Mon Mar 18 22:45:44 2002 Received: from 216-99-213-120.dsl.aracnet.com ([216.99.213.120] helo=clueserver.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nDNQ-0006wt-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:45:44 -0800 Received: from there (summanulla.clueserver.org [10.6.6.5]) by clueserver.org (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id g2J833L22466 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:03:03 -0800 Message-Id: <200203190803.g2J833L22466@clueserver.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Alan To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:25:27 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [PLUG] I Have "Revolution OS" on tape Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: alan@clueserver.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1370 Lines: 38 The program just finished... I have it on an SP VHS tape. We will have to arrange a time to watch it. As for my review... What I liked: * They did a good job covering the issues of the Open Source and Free Software movement. * Stallman was the best I have ever seen him through most of the movie. (The scene at the end is kind of telling though...) * The reading of the Open Letter to the Home Brew Computer Club written by Bill Gates had the appropreate amount of venom. * It was a good introductory history of things in a way that you could show to the average person and not lose them. What I did not like: * The XFree86 development effort was not mentioned at all. Neither was the Gnome, KDE or Perl developers.) Leaving out the contribution of X to the success of Linux was a big ommision in my opinion. * I thought Bruce Parens was starting to channel Emo Phillips throough parts of the film. (Though he made lots of good points.) * The played a PAINFUL version of the "Free Software Song" at the end of the movie. (Jamie "XScreensaver and Moxilla" Zawinski labeled the song "Why cooperation with Richard Stallman is impossible".) * Stallman's ego was starting to shine through at the end. All in all, it was very good. (Use the mute button at the end though.) We will have to show it sometime in a place where we can drink alcohol. From wcooley@nakedape.cc Mon Mar 18 22:51:50 2002 Received: from haus.nakedape.cc ([63.105.18.11] ident=[zcNbGMMjBjEaSxWkzo23f2uFAY4pHTn+]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nDTK-00071e-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:51:50 -0800 Received: by haus.nakedape.cc (Postfix, from userid 500) id 5C33F4CE; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:51:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:51:49 -0800 From: Wil Cooley To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] I Have "Revolution OS" on tape Message-ID: <20020318225149.L18729@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Mail-Followup-To: Wil Cooley , plug@lists.pdxlinux.org References: <200203190803.g2J833L22466@clueserver.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdv96I0Kd+XSW/CM" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200203190803.g2J833L22466@clueserver.org>; from alan@clueserver.org on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:25:27PM -0800 X-Operating-System: Linux rheingold 2.4.16-0.9 X-Secret-Message: If you can't read the body of this message, you're using a broken mailer. X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=black; TextColor=black X-URL: http://nakedape.cc/~wcooley X-Message-Flag: This could be an Outlook virus! Are you sure you want to continue using Outlook? Organization: Naked Ape Consulting X-Face: "#;<]LC:e")E2lx0GON'wHCc.'^BUJL:Esr/--eUc5S`1Kvc/z^P`A$L0c?A.[blhK/1v#\'AX}3f-$=PJKLz~C|hm6ptH{ List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1410 Lines: 51 --fdv96I0Kd+XSW/CM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also Sprach Alan on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:25:27PM P= ST >=20 > * Stallman was the best I have ever seen him through most of the movie. = (The=20 > scene at the end is kind of telling though...) Did he chew his toenails? >=20 > * I thought Bruce Parens was starting to channel Emo Phillips throough pa= rts=20 > of the film. (Though he made lots of good points.) Oh man, Emo Phillips! What ever happened to that guy? > * The played a PAINFUL version of the "Free Software Song" at the end of = the=20 > movie. (Jamie "XScreensaver and Moxilla" Zawinski labeled the song "Why= =20 > cooperation with Richard Stallman is impossible".) How about the techno remix? http://haus.nakedape.cc/music/rms.mp3 Wil --=20 Wil Cooley wcooley@nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs --fdv96I0Kd+XSW/CM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8luAEJpn3uYWUEaoRAnMlAJ9HDq+Vx/q5vROSnsWNqaMnWgOtPQCdFTmz zCzZwaLxSneOXrFtKbe2sqA= =qnlF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fdv96I0Kd+XSW/CM-- From alan@clueserver.org Mon Mar 18 23:02:21 2002 Received: from 216-99-213-120.dsl.aracnet.com ([216.99.213.120] helo=clueserver.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nDdU-00078A-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:02:21 -0800 Received: from there (summanulla.clueserver.org [10.6.6.5]) by clueserver.org (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id g2J8JdL22545; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:19:40 -0800 Message-Id: <200203190819.g2J8JdL22545@clueserver.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Alan To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org, Sandy Herring Subject: Re: [PLUG] Revolution OS: Movie Review Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:42:04 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <20020318173824.B29604@kippered.herring.org> <20020318184107.D29604@kippered.herring.org> <20020318204635.A31220@kippered.herring.org> In-Reply-To: <20020318204635.A31220@kippered.herring.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: alan@clueserver.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 695 Lines: 18 On Monday 18 March 2002 20:46, Sandy Herring wrote: > # #### #### #### #### # # # # # # > # # # # # # # # # # # # # # > # # # # # # # # # # # # # # > # # # # # # # # # # # # # # > # # # # # # # ## # ## ##### ##### # # > ##### #### #### # # # # # # # # # # > # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # > # # # # # # # # # # # # # # > # # # # # # ### ### # # # # # # > > The good news is, I got the channel correct. The bad news is I somehow set > the _day_ for Tuesday *sigh*. Sorry, everybody :-( I have it on tape. Pretty good except for the song at the end. From dave@pakled.mmcc.cx Mon Mar 18 23:05:20 2002 Received: from 216-99-199-68.cust.aracnet.com ([216.99.199.68] helo=pakled.mmcc.cx) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nDgO-0007CN-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:05:20 -0800 Received: from pakled.mmcc.cx (methlab.home [192.168.1.5]) by pakled.mmcc.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7688B7CC for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:05:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C96E32E.6090204@pakled.mmcc.cx> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:05:18 -0800 From: Dave User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Fast Debian mirrors (and Woody ISOs?) References: <1016474518.15727.4.camel@shahms> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1011 Lines: 26 Try the minimal netinst image. It's some 60 megs and works wonders. As with all unstable releases, ymmv, not responsible for lost or stolen articles of clothing, consume at your own risk, byob, etc. http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ Shahms E. King wrote: >I'm trying to take a look at Debian (currently a RedHat user) and since >the thing keeping me from trying it the longest is the simple fact that >the actual "release" version, while stable, is hopelessly out of date. >And rather than spend hours downloading Potato only to spend MORE hours >downloading all of the updates from an "apt-get dist-upgrade" (or >whatever the command actually is) I tried to find ISOs of the latest >testing or unstable branch to no avail (well, all the places I could >find were dog slow, to the point of my not wanting to wait DAYS to >download this thing) so I figured that since we have some rather >vociferous Debian activists on the list, one of them might have a >solution to this ... problem. > >--Shahms > From alan@clueserver.org Mon Mar 18 23:05:24 2002 Received: from 216-99-213-120.dsl.aracnet.com ([216.99.213.120] helo=clueserver.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nDgS-0007CT-00 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:05:24 -0800 Received: from there (summanulla.clueserver.org [10.6.6.5]) by clueserver.org (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id g2J8MgL22566; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:22:43 -0800 Message-Id: <200203190822.g2J8MgL22566@clueserver.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Alan To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org, Wil Cooley Subject: Re: [PLUG] I Have "Revolution OS" on tape Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:45:07 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <200203190803.g2J833L22466@clueserver.org> <20020318225149.L18729@rheingold.nakedape.priv> In-Reply-To: <20020318225149.L18729@rheingold.nakedape.priv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: alan@clueserver.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1116 Lines: 29 On Monday 18 March 2002 22:51, Wil Cooley wrote: > Also Sprach Alan on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:25:27PM > PST > > > * Stallman was the best I have ever seen him through most of the movie. > > (The scene at the end is kind of telling though...) > > Did he chew his toenails? Nope. It looked like they bathed him and dressed him first before putting him on camera. (There is a scene towards the end where you see him a bit more "normal". The camera pans over to Linus playing with his daughters.) > > * I thought Bruce Parens was starting to channel Emo Phillips throough > > parts of the film. (Though he made lots of good points.) > > Oh man, Emo Phillips! What ever happened to that guy? Not certain. He is in the WeirdAl video "All About The Pentiums". > > * The played a PAINFUL version of the "Free Software Song" at the end of > > the movie. (Jamie "XScreensaver and Moxilla" Zawinski labeled the song > > "Why cooperation with Richard Stallman is impossible".) > > How about the techno remix? > http://haus.nakedape.cc/music/rms.mp3 This was a garage band version. Painful... From plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Mon Mar 18 23:20:02 2002 Xref: news.pdxlinux.org plug.plug:46 Newsgroups: plug.plug Path: news.pdxlinux.org!not-for-mail From: "W. Reilly Cooley" Subject: Re: [PLUG] plug.general? Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:15:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: haus.nakedape.cc Message-ID: User-Agent: Pan/0.9.7 (Unix) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-No-Productlinks: Yes Organization: Naked Ape Consulting References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 538 Lines: 14 In article , "Mike Witt" wrote: > Is plug.general supposed to be the newsgroup that corresponds to the > main [PLUG] mailing list? My news reader claims that that particular > one doesn't exist on the server. (The rest work for me) No, it's plug.plug. (Posting through there ;) Wil -- W. Reilly Cooley wcooley@nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc "Linux and Internet solutions" From plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Mon Mar 18 23:25:02 2002 Xref: news.pdxlinux.org plug.plug:47 Newsgroups: plug.plug Path: news.pdxlinux.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert" Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:22:50 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 60.portland-08-09rs.or.dial-access.att.net Message-ID: Organization: Portland Linux Users Group X-Priority: 3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] Linux 7.2 Printer Problem Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 984 Lines: 27 I just installed Linux 7.2 for the first time and am having a problem. I finally got it to access my home network and my HP laser printer with a jetdirect card, but then it lost internet access, although it would still sign-on to AT&T just fine, it just wouldn't access the WWW. When I selected "Use Hardware Address" in "Network Configuration" it started to access the WWW with AT&T again, but now I lost the HP LAN printer as well as a local NEC printer. Changing the settings back makes no difference, I still can't access the printers. I can access the LAN fine and even visit the HP JetDirect built-in homepage. I am getting a " localhost.localdomain bad " message on bootup ( I don't know if it was there all along or just started) and it seems to be directly connected to the printing problem. I tried changing the settings around, from leaving them blank to changing the names and settings, but nothing works. Anyone know the answer to this one? Thanks, Robert From jeme@brelin.net Tue Mar 19 00:06:30 2002 Received: from shaft.bitmine.net ([216.231.58.163]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nEdZ-0007iN-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:06:29 -0800 Received: from localhost (jbrelin@localhost) by shaft.bitmine.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA21942 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:06:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:06:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jeme A Brelin X-Sender: jbrelin@shaft.bitmine.net To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linux 7.2 Printer Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 2022 Lines: 55 On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Robert wrote: > I just installed Linux 7.2 for the first time and am having a problem. I'll have you know that Linux v7.2 is, at the current rate of development, about 25 years away. My guess is you installed Linux v2.4.x. I would guess further that you installed v7.2 of the Red Hat operating system (which uses a Linux kernel and most of the GNU system), but that could certainly be incorrect. > I finally got it to access my home network and my HP laser printer > with a jetdirect card, but then it lost internet access, although it > would still sign-on to AT&T just fine, it just wouldn't access the > WWW. When I selected "Use Hardware Address" in "Network > Configuration" it started to access the WWW with AT&T again, but now I > lost the HP LAN printer as well as a local NEC printer. What's this "Network Configuration"? What utility contains such a configuration panel? > Changing the settings back makes no difference, I still can't access > the printers. I can access the LAN fine and even visit the HP > JetDirect built-in homepage. > > I am getting a " localhost.localdomain bad " message on bootup ( I > don't know if it was there all along or just started) and it seems to > be directly connected to the printing problem. I tried changing the > settings around, from leaving them blank to changing the names and > settings, but nothing works. > > Anyone know the answer to this one? Off the top of my head, I think you have route problems. FIRST, check to see that you have a line in your /etc/hosts file like this: 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain I assume you know something about the network configuration of your local LAN. Check the local machines routing table with `route -n` and see if you have a network route to both the local network and the greater internet. Beyond that, could be several different things. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From alan@clueserver.org Tue Mar 19 00:37:11 2002 Received: from 216-99-213-120.dsl.aracnet.com ([216.99.213.120] helo=clueserver.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nF7H-0007u0-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:37:11 -0800 Received: from there (summanulla.clueserver.org [10.6.6.5]) by clueserver.org (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id g2J9sTL22950; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 01:54:29 -0800 Message-Id: <200203190954.g2J9sTL22950@clueserver.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Alan To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org, "Robert" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linux 7.2 Printer Problem Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:16:53 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: alan@clueserver.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1276 Lines: 26 On Monday 18 March 2002 23:22, Robert wrote: > I just installed Linux 7.2 for the first time and am having a problem. > > I finally got it to access my home network and my HP laser printer with a > jetdirect card, but then it lost internet access, although it would still > sign-on to AT&T just fine, it just wouldn't access the WWW. When I > selected "Use Hardware Address" in "Network Configuration" it started to > access the WWW with AT&T again, but now I lost the HP LAN printer as well > as a local NEC printer. Changing the settings back makes no difference, I > still can't access the printers. I can access the LAN fine and even visit > the HP JetDirect built-in homepage. Check /proc/pci and see what IRQs are being used by the cable modem and the printer port. Sound like you have some sort of conflict. (Or possibly DMA. I have seen that cause some weird problems.) Do you have any ISA cards in the machine? > I am getting a " localhost.localdomain bad " message on bootup ( I don't > know if it was there all along or just started) and it seems to be directly > connected to the printing problem. I tried changing the settings around, > from leaving them blank to changing the names and settings, but nothing > works. What do you have in /etc/hosts? From bigfish@kippered.herring.org Tue Mar 19 04:28:07 2002 Received: from kippered.herring.org ([216.99.203.246]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nIik-0000Pc-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 04:28:06 -0800 Received: (from bigfish@localhost) by kippered.herring.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2JCS5k01820 for plug@lists.pdxlinux.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 04:28:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 04:28:05 -0800 From: Sandy Herring To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Revolution OS: Movie Review Message-ID: <20020319042805.A31619@kippered.herring.org> References: <20020318204635.A31220@kippered.herring.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from guyh@aracnet.com on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:45:41PM -0800 Organization: Peck of Pickled Pisces X-URL: http://herring.org/ X-GnuPG-keyservers: http://www.keyserver.net/ -or- http://pgp.mit.edu/ X-terminate: rm -rf /bin/laden Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: sandy@herring.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1289 Lines: 41 --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Guy Hammer wrote:=20 > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: >=20 > > The good news is, I got the channel correct. The bad news is I somehow = set > > the _day_ for Tuesday *sigh*. Sorry, everybody :-( >=20 > Um, _which_ channel, 526 or 549? I'd like to know if my DirectTV > receiver's program guide is giving accurate information... :-) Channel 549. Sorry for the earlier confusion. Sandy --=20 Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =3D>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.a= sc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8ly7VA9fK8s8EnOcRAhEUAKCRa6sFsihXpdNwG3azNk+0VHfLJACeJdXY Db19ArjepYQn6QKC85CC2xU= =R11a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6-- From mikeraz@PATCH.COM Tue Mar 19 06:41:53 2002 Received: from barley.patch.com ([209.180.166.33]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nKoD-0001Iu-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:41:53 -0800 Received: by barley.patch.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id B50458AF9; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:41:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:41:47 -0800 From: mikeraz@patch.com To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] I Have "Revolution OS" on tape Message-ID: <20020319064147.A21887@patch.com> References: <200203190803.g2J833L22466@clueserver.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200203190803.g2J833L22466@clueserver.org>; from alan@clueserver.org on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:25:27PM -0800 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 638 Lines: 16 I bet you'd be very welcome at the Advanced Topics meeting this Wednesday night. We'd have to arrange for a TV though. On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:25:27PM -0800, Alan typed: > The program just finished... I have it on an SP VHS tape. We will have to > arrange a time to watch it. -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin But keep in mind: "Microwave oven? Whaddya mean, it's a microwave oven? I've been watching Channel 4 on the thing for two weeks." From bigfish@kippered.herring.org Tue Mar 19 08:04:58 2002 Received: from kippered.herring.org ([216.99.203.246]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nM6b-0001fd-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:04:58 -0800 Received: (from bigfish@localhost) by kippered.herring.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2JG4rU03082 for plug@lists.pdxlinux.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:04:53 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:04:53 -0800 From: Sandy Herring To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Using a router with AT&T cable, was (no subject) Message-ID: <20020319080453.B31619@kippered.herring.org> References: <3C96D369.35E2DB51@attbi.com> <004301c1cf0d$87e01a60$6401a8c0@main> <20020318222504.7b8249e9.due.gatti@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+pHx0qQiF2pBVqBT" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020318222504.7b8249e9.due.gatti@gmx.net>; from due.gatti@gmx.net on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 10:25:04PM -0800 Organization: Peck of Pickled Pisces X-URL: http://herring.org/ X-GnuPG-keyservers: http://www.keyserver.net/ -or- http://pgp.mit.edu/ X-terminate: rm -rf /bin/laden Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: sandy@herring.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1609 Lines: 50 --+pHx0qQiF2pBVqBT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you're running RH (can't speak for the other distros), you can restart network services by `service network restart'. Or, go directly for the init script... /etc/init.d/network {start|stop|restart|reload|status|probe} Sandy On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Greg wrote:=20 > Don't worry. That, too, shall pass. ;) > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:15:54 -0800 > "Robbert van Andel" wrote: >=20 > > What I did was check a box in the TCP/IP configuration to get dns > > information from the host, or something like that. I rebooted (okay, so > > I use windows a lot) and it worked. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --=20 Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =3D>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.a= sc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. --+pHx0qQiF2pBVqBT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8l2GlA9fK8s8EnOcRAox8AJ4toLU0HVm2/NimBBlIWokFULSQuACeObQf 5DHvlAkRamCFbLVfRRs46J8= =4G9h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+pHx0qQiF2pBVqBT-- From drake_stuff@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 08:23:14 2002 Received: from web21207.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.165]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nMOI-0001nw-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:23:14 -0800 Message-ID: <20020319162314.3298.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.51.40] by web21207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:23:14 PST Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:23:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Nowack To: plug@pdxlinux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [PLUG] DNS options Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 389 Lines: 15 Hi all, Just wondering if anyone had any suggestiongs for DNS for me. I've got a server, i've got a static ip, and aracnet wants 50$ per domain name for a set up fee. Can anyone point to any other options or am I stuck giving aracnet more money? Ken __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From nmeyers@javalinux.net Tue Mar 19 08:37:26 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com ([216.148.227.88]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nMc2-0001um-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:37:26 -0800 Received: from turing.home.network ([12.224.156.137]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020319163655.GUXQ1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@turing.home.network>; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:36:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turing.home.network (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD1711875; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:36:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by turing.home.network (Postfix, from userid 501) id 128F211874; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:36:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:36:52 -0800 From: Nathan Meyers To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Cc: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] DNS options Message-ID: <20020319163651.GA10102@javalinux.net> References: <20020319162314.3298.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020319162314.3298.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1314 Lines: 33 On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 08:23:14AM -0800, Ken Nowack wrote: > Hi all, > > Just wondering if anyone had any suggestiongs for DNS > for me. I've got a server, i've got a static ip, and > aracnet wants 50$ per domain name for a set up fee. > Can anyone point to any other options or am I stuck > giving aracnet more money? Looks like they've lowered their prices. Another option you have with many registrars is to use their DNS - I do this with domains registered at register.com. There are two parts to it: 1 - Set up the services you want on your server (email, Web, or whatever). 2 - Go to your registrar's configuration setup and tell it you would like the registrar itself to host the DNS for this domain; then set up the appropriate DNS entries to point at your server. An alternative to step 2 is to take advantage of the DNS servers set up by PLUG members for use by the community. (I don't remember the details, but you'll find it in the mail archives.) In that case, you'd have your registrar point to PLUG's DNS servers, and install your DNS entries on those servers. Implicit in all this is that you're not doing something that will later bite you, like hosting services in violation of a usage agreement, or expecting high reliability and consistent performance from DSL or cable modem. Nathan From nmeyers@javalinux.net Tue Mar 19 08:37:26 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com ([216.148.227.88]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nMc2-0001un-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:37:26 -0800 Received: from turing.home.network ([12.224.156.137]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020319163655.GUXQ1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@turing.home.network>; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:36:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turing.home.network (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD1711875; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:36:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by turing.home.network (Postfix, from userid 501) id 128F211874; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:36:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:36:52 -0800 From: Nathan Meyers To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Cc: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] DNS options Message-ID: <20020319163651.GA10102@javalinux.net> References: <20020319162314.3298.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020319162314.3298.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1314 Lines: 33 On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 08:23:14AM -0800, Ken Nowack wrote: > Hi all, > > Just wondering if anyone had any suggestiongs for DNS > for me. I've got a server, i've got a static ip, and > aracnet wants 50$ per domain name for a set up fee. > Can anyone point to any other options or am I stuck > giving aracnet more money? Looks like they've lowered their prices. Another option you have with many registrars is to use their DNS - I do this with domains registered at register.com. There are two parts to it: 1 - Set up the services you want on your server (email, Web, or whatever). 2 - Go to your registrar's configuration setup and tell it you would like the registrar itself to host the DNS for this domain; then set up the appropriate DNS entries to point at your server. An alternative to step 2 is to take advantage of the DNS servers set up by PLUG members for use by the community. (I don't remember the details, but you'll find it in the mail archives.) In that case, you'd have your registrar point to PLUG's DNS servers, and install your DNS entries on those servers. Implicit in all this is that you're not doing something that will later bite you, like hosting services in violation of a usage agreement, or expecting high reliability and consistent performance from DSL or cable modem. Nathan From richard.langis@sun.com Tue Mar 19 08:43:55 2002 Received: from mercury.sun.com ([192.9.25.1]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nMiJ-00020R-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:43:55 -0800 Received: from hillsboro.West.Sun.COM ([129.153.62.10]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14535 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:43:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (delray.West.Sun.COM [129.153.45.10]) by hillsboro.West.Sun.COM (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id g2JGhmo25657 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:43:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C976ABF.7080302@sun.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:43:43 -0800 From: Richard Langis Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011206 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] DNS options References: <20020319162314.3298.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: richard.langis@sun.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 573 Lines: 26 www.zoneedit.com is free (for the first 5 domains) and I'm using it to host www.fascinationstreet.org as a subdirectory of my main www.geekfest.net account hosted at Aracnet. :) -Richard Ken Nowack wrote: > Hi all, > > Just wondering if anyone had any suggestiongs for DNS > for me. I've got a server, i've got a static ip, and > aracnet wants 50$ per domain name for a set up fee. > Can anyone point to any other options or am I stuck > giving aracnet more money? > > Ken -- s u n m i c r o s y s t e m s ~ Richard Langis Jr. ~ richard.langis@sun.com From sandbox@pacifier.com Tue Mar 19 09:28:10 2002 Received: from [199.2.117.154] (helo=asteroid.pacifier.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nNP8-0002FB-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:28:10 -0800 Received: from pacifier.com (dsl1.usw-1-224.pacifier.com [207.202.224.1]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2JHS4C03558 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:28:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C977506.1000901@pacifier.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:27:34 -0800 From: Kyle Accardi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2.1) Gecko/20010901 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Using a router with AT&T cable, was (no subject) References: <3C96D369.35E2DB51@attbi.com> <004301c1cf0d$87e01a60$6401a8c0@main> <20020318222504.7b8249e9.due.gatti@gmx.net> <20020319080453.B31619@kippered.herring.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 510 Lines: 24 Sandy Herring wrote: > If you're running RH (can't speak for the other distros), you can restart > network services by `service network restart'. Or, go directly for the init > script... > > /etc/init.d/network {start|stop|restart|reload|status|probe} If you're using RH, it gets easier than that, # service network {start|stop|restart|reload|status|probe} /sbin/service is a pretty simple sh script. I just looked at it and it has some other interesting abilities as well. Cheers, Kyle Accardi From sandbox@pacifier.com Tue Mar 19 09:33:11 2002 Received: from [199.2.117.155] (helo=comet.pacifier.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nNTz-0002IK-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:33:11 -0800 Received: from pacifier.com (dsl1.usw-1-224.pacifier.com [207.202.224.1]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2JHX9219436 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:33:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C977636.9030705@pacifier.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:32:38 -0800 From: Kyle Accardi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2.1) Gecko/20010901 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] I Have "Revolution OS" on tape References: <200203190803.g2J833L22466@clueserver.org> <20020318225149.L18729@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 165 Lines: 15 Wil Cooley wrote: > Oh man, Emo Phillips! What ever happened to that guy? > One of Emo's, I remember my grandfather's last words: "TRUCK!" -- Kyle Accardi From bigfish@kippered.herring.org Tue Mar 19 09:33:06 2002 Received: from kippered.herring.org ([216.99.203.246]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nNTu-0002IE-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:33:06 -0800 Received: (from bigfish@localhost) by kippered.herring.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2JHX5U03666 for plug@lists.pdxlinux.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:33:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:33:05 -0800 From: Sandy Herring To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Using a router with AT&T cable, was (no subject) Message-ID: <20020319093305.E31619@kippered.herring.org> References: <3C96D369.35E2DB51@attbi.com> <004301c1cf0d$87e01a60$6401a8c0@main> <20020318222504.7b8249e9.due.gatti@gmx.net> <20020319080453.B31619@kippered.herring.org> <3C977506.1000901@pacifier.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k3qmt+ucFURmlhDS" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3C977506.1000901@pacifier.com>; from sandbox@pacifier.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 09:27:34AM -0800 Organization: Peck of Pickled Pisces X-URL: http://herring.org/ X-GnuPG-keyservers: http://www.keyserver.net/ -or- http://pgp.mit.edu/ X-terminate: rm -rf /bin/laden Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: sandy@herring.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1533 Lines: 57 --k3qmt+ucFURmlhDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Kyle Accardi wrote:=20 > Sandy Herring wrote: >=20 > > If you're running RH (can't speak for the other distros), you can resta= rt > > network services by `service network restart'. Or, go directly for the = init > > script... > >=20 > > /etc/init.d/network {start|stop|restart|reload|status|probe} >=20 >=20 > If you're using RH, it gets easier than that, >=20 > # service network {start|stop|restart|reload|status|probe} >=20 >=20 > /sbin/service is a pretty simple sh script. I just looked at it and it h= as=20 > some other interesting abilities as well. >=20 > Cheers, > Kyle Accardi Kyle, I said that (reread my post above). Sandy --=20 Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =3D>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.a= sc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. --k3qmt+ucFURmlhDS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8l3ZQA9fK8s8EnOcRAh2kAJ4oJ6bij4X+qK8nuPUiZQiDPk+RiACeJIZd uUubBandWrULOH+FksOxfK0= =pxoR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k3qmt+ucFURmlhDS-- From rasmussenm@columbiafunds.com Tue Mar 19 10:04:03 2002 Received: from mail1.columbiafunds.com ([209.162.223.70] helo=cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nNxr-0002Vm-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:04:03 -0800 Received: from 10.1.0.61 by cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7)); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:03:32 -0800 X-Server-Uuid: f8bf8a56-859d-11d3-a23d-00805f2535ba Received: by cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:03:31 -0800 Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463A94E@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> From: "Michael Rasmussen" To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: RE: [PLUG] DNS options Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:03:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 1089A2F97081-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1655 Lines: 35 > From: Nathan Meyers [mailto:nmeyers@javalinux.net] > On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 08:23:14AM -0800, Ken Nowack wrote: > > > > Just wondering if anyone had any suggestiongs for DNS > > for me. I've got a server, i've got a static ip, and > > 1 - Set up the services you want on your server (email, Web, > or whatever). > An alternative to step 2 is to take advantage of the DNS > servers set up > by PLUG members for use by the community. (I don't remember > the details, > but you'll find it in the mail archives.) In that case, you'd > have your > registrar point to PLUG's DNS servers, and install your DNS entries on > those servers. The Plug2nds information is available at: http://www.patch.com/computing/plug-seconds.html (Plug web people - feel free to leach the page) There are people with capacity available to be your secondary. I can do the primary if you are not ready for it yet. -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm@columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. 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From sandbox@pacifier.com Tue Mar 19 10:06:47 2002 Received: from [199.2.117.155] (helo=comet.pacifier.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nO0V-0002Y2-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:06:47 -0800 Received: from pacifier.com (dsl1.usw-1-224.pacifier.com [207.202.224.1]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2JI6i224143 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:06:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C977E16.4030000@pacifier.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:06:14 -0800 From: Kyle Accardi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2.1) Gecko/20010901 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Using a router with AT&T cable, was (no subject) References: <3C96D369.35E2DB51@attbi.com> <004301c1cf0d$87e01a60$6401a8c0@main> <20020318222504.7b8249e9.due.gatti@gmx.net> <20020319080453.B31619@kippered.herring.org> <3C977506.1000901@pacifier.com> <20020319093305.E31619@kippered.herring.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 647 Lines: 28 Sandy Herring wrote: >>>If you're running RH (can't speak for the other distros), you can restart >>>network services by `service network restart'. Or, go directly for the init >>>script... >>> >>>/etc/init.d/network {start|stop|restart|reload|status|probe} >>> >> >>If you're using RH, it gets easier than that, >> >># service network {start|stop|restart|reload|status|probe} >> >> >>/sbin/service is a pretty simple sh script. I just looked at it and it has >>some other interesting abilities as well. > I said that (reread my post above). > Oh yeah, sorry. I guess the caffine was making my eyes wiggle. -- Kyle (new list test post) From crispin@wirex.com Tue Mar 19 12:03:02 2002 Received: from mithra.wirex.com ([65.102.14.2] helo=mail.wirex.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nPp0-0003OX-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:03:02 -0800 Received: from wirex.com (cerebus.int.wirex.com [10.0.0.1]) by mail.wirex.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BD143DEB; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:03:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C979946.9010905@wirex.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:02:14 -0800 From: Crispin Cowan Organization: WireX Communications, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ptp@lists.spack.org Cc: mailme@bizave.com, porpig@yahoogroups.com, plug@lists.pdxlinux.org, discuss@pasa.portland.or.us References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] Revolution OS Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1351 Lines: 35 Don Park wrote: >ps. Id like to se that movie! Maybe the Austin guys would loan it to us? >Do we have access to a 35mm projector? > Revolution OS is running all this month on the Sundance channel It was on last night, but that conflicted with other stuff. I've programmed my TiVo to record it on Sunday. NOTE: it is "fair use" to invite friends to your house to view the previously recorded movie, but it is gross copyright violation to commercially screen something that you recorded or borrowed. To get a large screening, the trick is to convince an art house cinema to just schedule the film for screening. The Cinema 21 is an especially good choice for this, as they have an especially good web presence maitained by Andrew Hall (cc'd). It being a geek film, co-marketing with the local geek orgs (PTP, PLUG , PASA , PORPIG , etc.) might be helpful both to ticket sales and the visibility of these groups. Crispin -- Crispin Cowan, Ph.D. Chief Scientist, WireX Communications, Inc. http://wirex.com Security Hardened Linux Distribution: http://immunix.org Available for purchase: http://wirex.com/Products/Immunix/purchase.html From plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Tue Mar 19 12:05:02 2002 Xref: news.pdxlinux.org plug.plug:62 Newsgroups: plug.plug Path: news.pdxlinux.org!not-for-mail From: "Karl M. Hegbloom" Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:00:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: asl.microsharp.com Message-ID: <3C9798E5.2050909@microsharp.com> X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, zh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020314 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Organization: Portland Linux Users Group References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] Cryptographic filesystem? Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 492 Lines: 17 Nathan Meyers wrote: > > Mandrake announced its 8.2 release today: > [...] > - Encrypted filesystems What are they using for that? Are they using CFS? I tried it for a while several years ago, and it worked pretty good. It was more trouble than it was worth though, since I don't really NEED an encrypted filesystem. Does the installer offer that, or is it an add on package you select later? How do they present it to you? From montagne@boora.com Tue Mar 19 12:05:20 2002 Received: from mail.boora.com ([204.203.108.253] helo=webmail.boora.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nPrD-0003Rk-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:05:19 -0800 Received: from Zonker.localdomain.fake (ZONKER [192.168.10.251]) by webmail.boora.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id HCJ80KBS; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:03:27 -0800 Received: by Zonker.localdomain.fake (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E6283A4587; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:02:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:02:40 -0800 From: Michael Montagne To: plug@pdxlinux.org Message-ID: <20020319200240.GA14245@boora.com> Mail-Followup-To: plug@pdxlinux.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Subject: [PLUG] New kernel in Debian Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: Michael Montagne List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 992 Lines: 37 A Debian question if you all have a moment I'm upgrading a stock Progeny install on a PentiumII. I just ran apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.16-686 During the install I was told to include a reference to initrd in lilo.conf. Since I'm running GRUB, this is what I added to menu.lst: title Debian GNU/Linux (kernel 2.4.16) root (hd0,1) kernel /boot/vmlinux-2.4.26-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.16-686 I just copied the entries that existed and substituted the names of the files that I found in /boot after apt-get was finished. Did I do this right? At the end of the install there was a reference to "initrd.img not symlink..not clobbered" What does that mean? -- Michael Montagne montagne@boora.com http://www.boora.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-request@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Michael Montagne montagne@boora.com http://www.boora.com From nmeyers@javalinux.net Tue Mar 19 12:11:59 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com ([204.127.198.39]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nPxf-0003Xc-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:11:59 -0800 Received: from turing.home.network ([12.224.156.137]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020319201129.ZGAD2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@turing.home.network> for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:11:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turing.home.network (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA84311875 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by turing.home.network (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3551811874; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:11:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:11:25 -0800 From: Nathan Meyers To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Cryptographic filesystem? Message-ID: <20020319201125.GA13203@javalinux.net> References: <3C9798E5.2050909@microsharp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C9798E5.2050909@microsharp.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 665 Lines: 22 On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:00:37PM -0800, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > Nathan Meyers wrote: > > > >Mandrake announced its 8.2 release today: > >[...] > >- Encrypted filesystems > > What are they using for that? Are they using CFS? > > > > I tried it for a while several years ago, and it worked pretty good. It > was more trouble than it was worth though, since I don't really NEED an > encrypted filesystem. > > Does the installer offer that, or is it an add on package you select > later? How do they present it to you? Still downloading iso images. I'll let you know more when I find out. Nathan From alan@clueserver.org Tue Mar 19 12:12:54 2002 Received: from 216-99-213-120.dsl.aracnet.com ([216.99.213.120] helo=clueserver.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nPyX-0003ZE-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:12:54 -0800 Received: from there (summanulla.clueserver.org [10.6.6.5]) by clueserver.org (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id g2JLUDL26482; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:30:13 -0800 Message-Id: <200203192130.g2JLUDL26482@clueserver.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Alan To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org, "Karl M. Hegbloom" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Cryptographic filesystem? Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:52:33 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <3C9798E5.2050909@microsharp.com> In-Reply-To: <3C9798E5.2050909@microsharp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: alan@clueserver.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 887 Lines: 26 On Tuesday 19 March 2002 12:00, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > Nathan Meyers wrote: > > Mandrake announced its 8.2 release today: > > [...] > > - Encrypted filesystems > > What are they using for that? Are they using CFS? > > > > I tried it for a while several years ago, and it worked pretty good. It > was more trouble than it was worth though, since I don't really NEED an > encrypted filesystem. I believe they are using the loopback crypto stuff. CFS has the unfortunate problem of having name conflicts with portions of ssh. > Does the installer offer that, or is it an add on package you select > later? How do they present it to you? Probably an option when you lay out the file systems initially. I have not seen an option to "upgrade" to it on upgrade. BTW, SuSE has had an encrypted filesystem option for a while. From alan@clueserver.org Tue Mar 19 12:15:12 2002 Received: from 216-99-213-120.dsl.aracnet.com ([216.99.213.120] helo=clueserver.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nQ0m-0003cj-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:15:12 -0800 Received: from there (summanulla.clueserver.org [10.6.6.5]) by clueserver.org (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id g2JLWHL26508; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:32:17 -0800 Message-Id: <200203192132.g2JLWHL26508@clueserver.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Alan To: Crispin Cowan , ptp@lists.spack.org Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:54:38 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Cc: mailme@bizave.com, porpig@yahoogroups.com, plug@lists.pdxlinux.org, discuss@pasa.portland.or.us References: <3C979946.9010905@wirex.com> In-Reply-To: <3C979946.9010905@wirex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [PLUG] Re: [pasa-discuss] Revolution OS Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: alan@clueserver.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1359 Lines: 29 On Tuesday 19 March 2002 12:02, Crispin Cowan wrote: > Don Park wrote: > >ps. Id like to se that movie! Maybe the Austin guys would loan it to us? > >Do we have access to a 35mm projector? > > Revolution OS is running all this month on the Sundance channel > > > It was on last night, but that conflicted with other stuff. I've > programmed my TiVo to record it on Sunday. > > NOTE: it is "fair use" to invite friends to your house to view the > previously recorded movie, but it is gross copyright violation to > commercially screen something that you recorded or borrowed. To get a > large screening, the trick is to convince an art house cinema to just > schedule the film for screening. > > The Cinema 21 is an especially good choice > for this, as they have an especially good web presence maitained by > Andrew Hall (cc'd). It being a geek film, co-marketing with the local > geek orgs (PTP, PLUG , PASA > , PORPIG > , etc.) might be helpful both to > ticket sales and the visibility of these groups. Another option would be the Clinton Street Theatre. Cinema 21 has their schedules done FAR in advance. I suspect Clinton Street is a little more slackful. From due.gatti@gmx.net Tue Mar 19 12:38:44 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com ([204.127.198.38]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nQNY-00041E-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:38:44 -0800 Received: from Catbox.localhost ([12.224.226.24]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020319203800.FRBP2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@Catbox.localhost> for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:38:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:39:38 -0800 From: Greg To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Revolution OS Message-Id: <20020319123938.5d902ecb.due.gatti@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <3C979946.9010905@wirex.com> References: <3C979946.9010905@wirex.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1343 Lines: 36 Our group viewing it wouldn't be commercial - we wouldn't be viewing it to make money for profit off the flick, so I think we'd have that in our favor... On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:02:14 -0800 Crispin Cowan wrote: > Don Park wrote: > > >ps. Id like to se that movie! Maybe the Austin guys would loan it to us? > >Do we have access to a 35mm projector? > > > Revolution OS is running all this month on the Sundance channel > > > It was on last night, but that conflicted with other stuff. I've > programmed my TiVo to record it on Sunday. > > NOTE: it is "fair use" to invite friends to your house to view the > previously recorded movie, but it is gross copyright violation to > commercially screen something that you recorded or borrowed. To get a > large screening, the trick is to convince an art house cinema to just > schedule the film for screening. > > -- > Crispin Cowan, Ph.D. > Chief Scientist, WireX Communications, Inc. http://wirex.com > Security Hardened Linux Distribution: http://immunix.org > Available for purchase: http://wirex.com/Products/Immunix/purchase.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Tue Mar 19 12:50:02 2002 Xref: news.pdxlinux.org plug.plug:69 Newsgroups: plug.plug Path: news.pdxlinux.org!not-for-mail From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Subject: Re: [PLUG] plug.general? Date: 19 Mar 2002 12:45:23 -0800 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Nntp-Posting-Host: halfdome.holdit.com Message-ID: References: Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 509 Lines: 16 >>>>> "W" == W Reilly Cooley writes: W> No, it's plug.plug. (Posting through there ;) I can't wait until you fork off a mailing list to talk about TCP/IP, and call it plug.socket :-) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From bigfish@kippered.herring.org Tue Mar 19 12:57:49 2002 Received: from pickled.herring.org ([216.99.203.246] helo=kippered.herring.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nQg0-0004DT-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:57:48 -0800 Received: (from bigfish@localhost) by kippered.herring.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2JKvl205440 for plug@lists.pdxlinux.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:57:47 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:57:47 -0800 From: Sandy Herring To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] plug.general? Message-ID: <20020319125747.B4723@kippered.herring.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from merlyn@stonehenge.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:45:23PM -0800 Organization: Peck of Pickled Pisces X-URL: http://herring.org/ X-GnuPG-keyservers: http://www.keyserver.net/ -or- http://pgp.mit.edu/ X-terminate: rm -rf /bin/laden Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: sandy@herring.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1300 Lines: 43 --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:=20 > >>>>> "W" =3D=3D W Reilly Cooley writes: >=20 > W> No, it's plug.plug. (Posting through there ;) >=20 > I can't wait until you fork off a mailing list to talk about > TCP/IP, and call it >=20 > plug.socket >=20 > :-) heh. good one. How 'bout linux on Sun... plug.sparc Sandy [yah, I know, take it to plug.talk - sorry, it's Randal's fault :) ] --=20 Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =3D>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.a= sc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8l6ZLA9fK8s8EnOcRAhrhAJ4hNdW2I++Y5aWRnCyAZGqSlOsOiwCgjpzR xfkpnhVOixLWjaa0H0BFDxE= =GGJq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O-- From jeff@jhenshaw.com Tue Mar 19 13:03:03 2002 Received: from sub24-226.member.dsl-only.net ([63.105.24.226] helo=mail.jhenshaw.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nQl4-0004IE-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:03:03 -0800 Received: from jhenshaw.com (oem [192.168.0.4]) by mail.jhenshaw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8253730D for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:05:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C97A805.8070905@jhenshaw.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:05:09 -0800 From: "J.A. Henshaw" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010913 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] DNS options References: <20020319162314.3298.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> <20020319163651.GA10102@javalinux.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 404 Lines: 21 Nathan Meyers wrote: > On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 08:23:14AM -0800, Ken Nowack wrote: > > Implicit in all this is that you're not doing something that will later > bite you, like hosting services in violation of a usage agreement, > or expecting high reliability and consistent performance from DSL or > cable modem. > > Nathan > I don't know why peopple say this, my DSL has always been relia From jeff@jhenshaw.com Tue Mar 19 13:30:50 2002 Received: from sub24-226.member.dsl-only.net ([63.105.24.226] helo=mail.jhenshaw.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nRBy-0004Y2-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:30:50 -0800 Received: from jhenshaw.com (oem [192.168.0.4]) by mail.jhenshaw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A16C30D for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:33:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C97AE8B.8030303@jhenshaw.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:32:59 -0800 From: "J.A. Henshaw" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010913 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] DNS options References: <20020319162314.3298.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> <20020319163651.GA10102@javalinux.net> <3C97A805.8070905@jhenshaw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 544 Lines: 27 J.A. Henshaw wrote: > Nathan Meyers wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 08:23:14AM -0800, Ken Nowack wrote: > > >> >> Implicit in all this is that you're not doing something that will later >> bite you, like hosting services in violation of a usage agreement, >> or expecting high reliability and consistent performance from DSL or >> cable modem. >> >> Nathan >> > > > I don't know why peopple say this, my DSL has always been relia > Yeah, I never have problems with my T3 conne@&^^%%#&&&HHG@#HJrtr%%@%4hhHG@GV%%@%23 NO CARRIER From plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Tue Mar 19 13:50:03 2002 Xref: news.pdxlinux.org plug.plug:73 Newsgroups: plug.plug Path: news.pdxlinux.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linux 7.2 Printer Problem Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:48:49 -0800 User-Agent: KNode/0.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 170.portland-11-12rs.or.dial-access.att.net Message-ID: References: Organization: Portland Linux Users Group Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1594 Lines: 46 Alan wrote: > On Monday 18 March 2002 23:22, Robert wrote: >> I just installed Linux 7.2 for the first time and am having a problem. >> >> I finally got it to access my home network and my HP laser printer with a >> jetdirect card, but then it lost internet access, although it would still >> sign-on to AT&T just fine, it just wouldn't access the WWW. When I >> selected "Use Hardware Address" in "Network Configuration" it started to >> access the WWW with AT&T again, but now I lost the HP LAN printer as well >> as a local NEC printer. Changing the settings back makes no difference, >> I still can't access the printers. I can access the LAN fine and even >> visit the HP JetDirect built-in homepage. > > Check /proc/pci and see what IRQs are being used by the cable modem and > the > printer port. Sound like you have some sort of conflict. (Or possibly > DMA. I have seen that cause some weird problems.) I don't know how to do that. If it looking in the directory /proc/pci then the /pci is not there. > > Do you have any ISA cards in the machine? No. > >> I am getting a " localhost.localdomain bad " message on bootup ( I >> don't know if it was there all along or just started) and it seems to be >> directly >> connected to the printing problem. I tried changing the settings around, >> from leaving them blank to changing the names and settings, but nothing >> works. > > What do you have in /etc/hosts? I don't have a /hosts in /etc. I am looking in root and /etc has a lot of folders. Am I doing this wrong or it different in Red Hat 7.2? Thanks Robert From jeff@jhenshaw.com Tue Mar 19 13:55:31 2002 Received: from sub24-226.member.dsl-only.net ([63.105.24.226] helo=mail.jhenshaw.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nRZr-0004mk-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:55:31 -0800 Received: from jhenshaw.com (oem [192.168.0.4]) by mail.jhenshaw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07D130D for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:58:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C97B454.3070803@jhenshaw.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:57:40 -0800 From: "J.A. Henshaw" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010913 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linux 7.2 Printer Problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1820 Lines: 64 Robert wrote: > Alan wrote: > > >>On Monday 18 March 2002 23:22, Robert wrote: >> >>>I just installed Linux 7.2 for the first time and am having a problem. >>> >>>I finally got it to access my home network and my HP laser printer with a >>>jetdirect card, but then it lost internet access, although it would still >>>sign-on to AT&T just fine, it just wouldn't access the WWW. When I >>>selected "Use Hardware Address" in "Network Configuration" it started to >>>access the WWW with AT&T again, but now I lost the HP LAN printer as well >>>as a local NEC printer. Changing the settings back makes no difference, >>>I still can't access the printers. I can access the LAN fine and even >>>visit the HP JetDirect built-in homepage. >>> >>Check /proc/pci and see what IRQs are being used by the cable modem and >>the >>printer port. Sound like you have some sort of conflict. (Or possibly >>DMA. I have seen that cause some weird problems.) >> > > > I don't know how to do that. If it looking in the directory /proc/pci then > the /pci is not there. > > > >>Do you have any ISA cards in the machine? >> > > No. > > > >>>I am getting a " localhost.localdomain bad " message on bootup ( I >>>don't know if it was there all along or just started) and it seems to be >>>directly >>>connected to the printing problem. I tried changing the settings around, >>>from leaving them blank to changing the names and settings, but nothing >>>works. >>> >>What do you have in /etc/hosts? >> > > I don't have a /hosts in /etc. I am looking in root and /etc has a lot of > folders. Am I doing this wrong or it different in Red Hat 7.2? > > Thanks > Robert > /etc/hosts is a text file, it is the equivalent to the hosts file in windows, it is used to resolve IP addresses usually before a DNS lookup -- From bill@coho.net Tue Mar 19 13:57:59 2002 Received: from mail.coho.net ([206.58.2.5]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nRcE-0004sI-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:57:58 -0800 Received: from smp.int.billmercer.com (unknown [206.163.219.36]) by mail.coho.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 323666C801 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:58:30 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Zoltar the Magnificent" To: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] GNU HURD "could be in production this year" X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.6 On linux/mysql Date: 19 Mar 2002 14:00:10 PST In-Reply-To: <20020318200613.GA10044@blain.org> References: <20020318162005.GA24640@javalinux.net><200203181806.g2II6MZ15333@smtp.easystreet.com><1016475710.2922.2.camel@laptop> <20020318200613.GA10044@blain.org> Message-Id: <20020319215830.323666C801@mail.coho.net> Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: "Zoltar the Magnificent" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1540 Lines: 46 As does pronto--at less cost to your RAM than Mozilla (and less stability, sigh). On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:06:13 -0600, thousands of monkeys working under the alias jelque@feather.net banged frantically on thousands of keyboards and created the following: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 10:21:50AM -0800, Aaron Baer wrote: > > On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 10:17, Carla Schroder wrote: > > > On Monday 18 March 2002 08:20 am, you wrote: > > > > > > > > P.S.- unrelated, but cool: I just noticed that Kmail has a 'mail transport' > > > line, if you have more than one SMTP setup it lets you choose from a dropdown > > > menu. That means for any piece of mail I want to send I can choose from any > > > POP/IMAP account, and any SMTP transport, with a couple of mouse clicks. Now > > > is that cool or what? Can Pine do that? Or Mutt? Or anyone? > > > > > > > > > > Evolution also does something similar. Letting you choose via drop down > > which "account" you want to send the mail from, each account is able to > > be set up with unique incoming and outgoing options. > > > > A- > > > > -- > > Mozilla Mail does this also. > > Jeff > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Support PLUG and the Open Source Community http://www.linuxfund.org/lugs/?lug=plug > To unsubscribe from the PLUG list visit http://www.pdxlinux.org/mailing_list/ > -- Support your local Flat Earth Society! Visit http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatHome.htm to learn more. From plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Tue Mar 19 14:00:02 2002 Xref: news.pdxlinux.org plug.plug:75 Newsgroups: plug.plug Path: news.pdxlinux.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linux 7.2 Printer Problem Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:56:49 -0800 User-Agent: KNode/0.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 170.portland-11-12rs.or.dial-access.att.net Message-ID: References: Organization: Portland Linux Users Group Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 2317 Lines: 76 Jeme A Brelin wrote: > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Robert wrote: >> I just installed Linux 7.2 for the first time and am having a problem. > > I'll have you know that Linux v7.2 is, at the current rate of development, > about 25 years away. My guess is you installed Linux v2.4.x. > > I would guess further that you installed v7.2 of the Red Hat operating > system (which uses a Linux kernel and most of the GNU system), but that > could certainly be incorrect. You are right. It is Red Hat 7.2. I posted late at night after 5 hours of not getting it to work. I have heard this is how they do it in Redmond, WA. > >> I finally got it to access my home network and my HP laser printer >> with a jetdirect card, but then it lost internet access, although it >> would still sign-on to AT&T just fine, it just wouldn't access the >> WWW. When I selected "Use Hardware Address" in "Network >> Configuration" it started to access the WWW with AT&T again, but now I >> lost the HP LAN printer as well as a local NEC printer. > > What's this "Network Configuration"? What utility contains such a > configuration panel? It is in KDE Control Panel. > >> Changing the settings back makes no difference, I still can't access >> the printers. I can access the LAN fine and even visit the HP >> JetDirect built-in homepage. >> >> I am getting a " localhost.localdomain bad " message on bootup ( I >> don't know if it was there all along or just started) and it seems to >> be directly connected to the printing problem. I tried changing the >> settings around, from leaving them blank to changing the names and >> settings, but nothing works. >> >> Anyone know the answer to this one? > > Off the top of my head, I think you have route problems. > > FIRST, check to see that you have a line in your /etc/hosts file like > this: > 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain I have the /etc but no /hosts. I hope this is a change in Red Hat and not my system toasted. > > I assume you know something about the network configuration of your local > LAN. Check the local machines routing table with `route -n` and see if > you have a network route to both the local network and the greater > internet. > > Beyond that, could be several different things. Thanks. I'm working on it. > > J. From alan@clueserver.org Tue Mar 19 14:19:32 2002 Received: from 216-99-213-120.dsl.aracnet.com ([216.99.213.120] helo=clueserver.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nRx5-000567-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:19:32 -0800 Received: from there (summanulla.clueserver.org [10.6.6.5]) by clueserver.org (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id g2JNaqL27199; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:36:53 -0800 Message-Id: <200203192336.g2JNaqL27199@clueserver.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Alan To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org, Sandy Herring Subject: Re: [PLUG] plug.general? Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:59:12 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <20020319125747.B4723@kippered.herring.org> In-Reply-To: <20020319125747.B4723@kippered.herring.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: alan@clueserver.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 936 Lines: 31 On Tuesday 19 March 2002 12:57, Sandy Herring wrote: > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > >>>>> "W" == W Reilly Cooley writes: > > > > W> No, it's plug.plug. (Posting through there ;) > > > > I can't wait until you fork off a mailing list to talk about > > TCP/IP, and call it > > > > plug.socket > > > > :-) > > heh. good one. How 'bout linux on Sun... plug.sparc And if it dealt with memory issues, it would be posted to plug.leaks. And security issues would go to plug.holes. And rants about the cost of proprietary software would go to plug.drains. And rants about the value of proprietary software would go in plug.nickel. And promotion of the user group would go in plug.plug. (And then there is the list for the people who maintain the Perl Documentation format... "POD-people@perl.org".) Sorry... Hopefully killing the threat by running out all the good ones fast... ]:> From John.Hampton@gijoes.com Tue Mar 19 14:19:16 2002 Received: from mail.gijoes.com ([198.107.39.79] helo=gilligan.gijoes.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nRwq-000561-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:19:16 -0800 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [PLUG] Linux 7.2 Printer Problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:19:15 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: <76CAC90361FD1B4EABBCDEE0B822B844014C9E@gilligan.gijoes.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PLUG] Linux 7.2 Printer Problem Thread-Index: AcHPkwf2FleUsdZxT5+SKqfwKZSTSQAABGEg From: "John Hampton" To: Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1023 Lines: 30 Robert said: >> FIRST, check to see that you have a line in your /etc/hosts file like >> this: >> 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain > >I have the /etc but no /hosts. I hope this is a change in Red Hat and = not=20 >my system toasted. >From your messages, I am guessing that you are confusing /etc/hosts and = /etc and /hosts I doubt that any linux distro has a /hosts directory or file (notice the = slash before hosts, that means that it is either a directory on the root = directory). However, I believe that all distros have a /etc/hosts file = (which means a file named "hosts" located in the /etc directory). It is = the same difference as having a file in windows be located in the C:\ = drive instead of the C:\Windows folder. Try typing: "ls -al /etc/hosts" at the command prompt (leave off the = quotes). That should return one result. Then try typing: "cd /etc" and = then "cat hosts" to see the contents. HTH John Hampton Programmer Analyst G.I. Joe's, Inc. john.hampton@gijoes.com From John.Pelster@usi.net Tue Mar 19 14:37:51 2002 Received: from msnbex07.usi.net ([209.62.157.166]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nSEp-0005KE-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:37:51 -0800 Received: by msnbex07.usi.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:34:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Pelster, John" To: "'plug@lists.pdxlinux.org'" Subject: RE: [PLUG] Linux 7.2 Printer Problem Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:36:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 2004 Lines: 50 Hello Robert, Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux. To view /proc/pci, open up a temrinal and type: cat /proc/pci (this tells you what the linux kernel recognizes on your computers PCI bus) To view /etc/host, run a similar command: cat /etc/hosts (this file helps Linux translate from IP address to host name) If you have access to your LAN and the internet, then most likely its not a networking issue. I think when you say: "I lost access to my printer," you mean: "I can't print." Printing has caused me much grief, but since you can't print from both printers, I think that lpd (Local Printer Daemon) is proably not running. Try this: (you'll want to be root, so either type "su -" in a terminal or hold down "CTRL+ALT+F1" and login as root) /etc/init.d/lpd status (/etc/init.d is a directory that holds the scripts that services use to start up when you turn you computer on. The /etc/rc.d/rc5.d directory determines which of these scripts to run, when you boot into graphical login) That should tell you if lpd is running or not. If not, try: /etc/init.d/lpd start See if you get the error message here about localhost.localdomain being a bad name... This is where I would usually get such a message. If it does start ok, try to print. If not, that's when you want to edit /etc/hosts to help it find localhost.locadomain (add it to the end of the liine starting with 127.0.0.1). Try again. If that doesn't work, I think I'd start on the smaller problem of getting just 1 printer to work, and then add the second... Printing has always been a big pain in the butt to me (especially because I own only a semi-supported printer), but hopefully this gets the conversation started in the right direction for people with more knowledge in this area than I. Good luck, John Pelster P.S. If you want to see how your printers are configured, view the file /etc/printcap. It might seem intimidating at first, but getting comfortable with the configuration files will really help you. From jeme@brelin.net Tue Mar 19 15:01:01 2002 Received: from shaft.bitmine.net ([216.231.58.163]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nSbF-0005UK-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:01:01 -0800 Received: from localhost (jbrelin@localhost) by shaft.bitmine.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA27947 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:01:28 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:01:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jeme A Brelin X-Sender: jbrelin@shaft.bitmine.net To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Revolution OS In-Reply-To: <3C979946.9010905@wirex.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 509 Lines: 18 On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Crispin Cowan wrote: > NOTE: it is "fair use" to invite friends to your house to view the > previously recorded movie, but it is gross copyright violation to > commercially screen something that you recorded or borrowed. It's also fair use to spread the tape around and even make copies for people free of charge (and free of promotional purpose). J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From jeff@jhenshaw.com Tue Mar 19 15:29:09 2002 Received: from sub24-226.member.dsl-only.net ([63.105.24.226] helo=mail.jhenshaw.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nT2T-0005fq-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:29:09 -0800 Received: from jhenshaw.com (oem [192.168.0.4]) by mail.jhenshaw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0197711E1 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:31:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C97CA47.9040306@jhenshaw.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:31:19 -0800 From: "J.A. Henshaw" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010913 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: Mandrake 8.2 hits the streets References: <20020319011350.GA1243@javalinux.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 908 Lines: 36 Nathan Meyers wrote: > (Resend - maybe a mailing list hiccough due to today's activities) > > Mandrake announced its 8.2 release today: > > http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/82.php > > It's got the customary hundreds-of-new-things-and-improved-GUIs. A couple > of additions that jump out at me are: > > - Encrypted filesystems > > - A new "minimal installation mode" that delivers a functioning Linux > system in 65 Mb > > They're pushing memberships in their "Mandrake Club" - a voluntary > way to pay them (and help them through a temporary cash crunch... ah, > the joys of startups!). Membership gives you access to some commercial > applications, trading of MandrakeSoft stock, and, most importantly, > a place in MandrakeSoft's "Hall of Fame". > > Nathan > Any mirrors you can actually log in to? -- Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on what they will have for lunch. From richard.langis@sun.com Tue Mar 19 15:41:32 2002 Received: from mercury.sun.com ([192.9.25.1]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nTER-0005mj-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:41:31 -0800 Received: from hillsboro.West.Sun.COM ([129.153.62.10]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14856 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:41:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (delray.West.Sun.COM [129.153.45.10]) by hillsboro.West.Sun.COM (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id g2JNfTo01479 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:41:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C97CCA4.7090602@sun.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:41:24 -0800 From: Richard Langis Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011206 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PLUG list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] [Fwd: network/physical security] Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: richard.langis@sun.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 665 Lines: 19 From our Network guy here at Sun. :) Best place for a break-in? The front door ========================================= Daniel Lewkovitz has been known to resort to some fairly unorthodox measures to demonstrate security flaws. "One CIO was so sure I wouldn't get past his firewall he just about promised to eat his hat," Lewkovitz said. "I donned a suit and walked in through the front doors, in fact some of his staff even held the doors open for me, unplugged the box and asked what kind of sauce he wanted with his hat as I placed it on his desk." URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-863318.html Keep It Safe: http://security.corp.sun.com/keepitsafe/ From John.Hampton@gijoes.com Tue Mar 19 15:45:52 2002 Received: from mail.gijoes.com ([198.107.39.79] helo=gilligan.gijoes.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nTIe-0005qX-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:45:52 -0800 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [PLUG] Re: Mandrake 8.2 hits the streets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:45:51 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: <76CAC90361FD1B4EABBCDEE0B822B844014C9F@gilligan.gijoes.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PLUG] Re: Mandrake 8.2 hits the streets Thread-Index: AcHPntenO9d461cDTxO0gC2sDmbvsQAAKCEg From: "John Hampton" To: Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 502 Lines: 19 J. A. Henshaw said: >Any mirrors you can actually log in to? I've had luck with: ftp.cc.gatech.edu and ftp.orst.edu It takes a couple tries, but I have been able to get in and their = throughput isn't too bad (around 90-100 kbytes/sec). The main problem = that I have had is that my md5sum for the 3rd iso image doesn't check = out. (I've downloaded it twice and am on my 3rd time). Haven't burned = the iso's yet though. John Hampton Programmer Analyst G.I. Joe's, Inc. john.hampton@gijoes.com From dylan@dylanreinhardt.com Tue Mar 19 15:54:23 2002 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nTQt-0005xu-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:54:23 -0800 Received: from [66.149.127.213] by mail.san.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:53:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:53:59 -0800 Message-ID: <3C8FE49F0000571E@mta07.san.yahoo.com> From: "Dylan Reinhardt" To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [PLUG] fair use? (was Revolution OS) Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: plug@dylanreinhardt.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1181 Lines: 50 Not to start an off-topic legal thread, but Fair Use is not so broadly de= fined as all that. Making a profit from copying a work is only one of four tests for Fair Us= e. Another, equally important, test is what portion of the material is bein= g copied. 100% is a pretty difficult portion to defend on Fair Use grounds= . Private viewings--even very large private viewings--would seem to be cove= red. Passing around copies of the entire tape seems quite dubious, regardless= of the cost or profit involved. Here's a link to the CFR section on Fair Use: http://www4.law.cornell.edu= /uscode/17/107.html Dylan --------------------------------------- On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Crispin Cowan wrote: > NOTE: it is "fair use" to invite friends to your house to view the > previously recorded movie, but it is gross copyright violation to > commercially screen something that you recorded or borrowed. It's also fair use to spread the tape around and even make copies for people free of charge (and free of promotional purpose). J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From jeff@jhenshaw.com Tue Mar 19 15:59:49 2002 Received: from sub24-226.member.dsl-only.net ([63.105.24.226] helo=mail.jhenshaw.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nTW9-00061C-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:59:49 -0800 Received: from jhenshaw.com (oem [192.168.0.4]) by mail.jhenshaw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD8911E1 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:02:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C97D176.50809@jhenshaw.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:01:58 -0800 From: "J.A. Henshaw" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010913 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: Mandrake 8.2 hits the streets References: <76CAC90361FD1B4EABBCDEE0B822B844014C9F@gilligan.gijoes.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 682 Lines: 25 John Hampton wrote: > J. A. Henshaw said: > >>Any mirrors you can actually log in to? >> > > I've had luck with: > > ftp.cc.gatech.edu and > ftp.orst.edu > > It takes a couple tries, but I have been able to get in and their throughput isn't too bad (around 90-100 kbytes/sec). The main problem that I have had is that my md5sum for the 3rd iso image doesn't check out. (I've downloaded it twice and am on my 3rd time). Haven't burned the iso's yet though. > > John Hampton > Programmer Analyst > G.I. Joe's, Inc. > john.hampton@gijoes.com > > _______________________________________________ I am downloading CD3 now, if the MD5 sum checks out I'll put it on my server From John.Hampton@gijoes.com Tue Mar 19 16:04:38 2002 Received: from mail.gijoes.com ([198.107.39.79] helo=gilligan.gijoes.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nTao-00066D-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:04:38 -0800 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [PLUG] Re: Mandrake 8.2 hits the streets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:04:36 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: <76CAC90361FD1B4EABBCDEE0B822B844014CA0@gilligan.gijoes.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PLUG] Re: Mandrake 8.2 hits the streets Thread-Index: AcHPooy4L3aSyvtTRb6EJwHdDJorcQAAADGw From: "John Hampton" To: Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 225 Lines: 12 >I am downloading CD3 now, if the MD5 sum checks out I'll=20 >put it on my server Thanks, but third time is a charm. I finally got a good image. John Hampton Programmer Analyst G.I. Joe's, Inc. john.hampton@gijoes.com From briand@aracnet.com Tue Mar 19 16:26:14 2002 Received: from mail3.aracnet.com ([216.99.193.38]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nTvi-0006XS-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:26:14 -0800 Received: from soggy.deldotd.com (216-99-206-32.cust.aracnet.com [216.99.206.32]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2K0QSWa002937 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:26:29 -0800 Received: from briand by soggy.deldotd.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nTxU-00070J-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:28:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15511.55188.245175.331036@soggy.deldotd.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:28:04 -0800 To: plug@pdxlinux.org X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 21.1.1 From: briand@aracnet.com Subject: [PLUG] emacs21 toolbar Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 222 Lines: 15 Hi, I upgraded to emacs21, just for grins, and there is this annoying toolbar in the display. Anybody know how to get rid of it ? My usual tricks in finding the controlling variable don't seem to work. Thanks Brian From hapibeli@save-net.com Tue Mar 19 16:33:36 2002 Received: from server3.safepages.com ([216.127.146.5]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nU2q-0006bz-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:33:36 -0800 Received: from there (portland-209-63-4-202.safepages.com [209.63.4.202]) by server3.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A5C65DB7 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:32:48 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Dirk & Karen To: "PDX Linux User's" Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:26:35 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020320003248.9A5C65DB7@server3.safepages.com> Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice no show Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 430 Lines: 9 root]# /home/booda/OpenOffice.org641/program/soffice SIOCGIFADDR got '00:00:00:00:00:00' I can get OpenOffice to run from a command as above, but when I try to add it to my main panel menu with MenuDrake in Mandrake 8.1, it will not operate eventhough I'm using the same command line. Where is my error? Is it that "SIOCGIFADDR got '00:00:00:00:00:00'" line? Can I set up an icon using the command line? Thanks, Dirk From dmandel@pdxLinux.org Tue Mar 19 16:48:12 2002 Received: from [206.190.130.150] (helo=sco302.avalongroup.net) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nUGy-0006l4-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:48:12 -0800 Received: from localhost (plug@localhost) by sco302.avalongroup.net (8.11.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id g2K0ahJ31593; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:36:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:36:43 -0800 (PST) From: David Mandel To: cc: "Karl M. Hegbloom" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Cryptographic filesystem? In-Reply-To: <200203192130.g2JLUDL26482@clueserver.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1446 Lines: 33 On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Alan wrote: ... > > BTW, SuSE has had an encrypted filesystem option for a while. > I think SuSE still has the encrypted filesystem option. In fact, they have had it quite a while. I installed and tested SuSE's encrypted filesystem on a couple disks, and it seemed to work quite ok; but I didn't have enough need or interest in it to run it thur it's paces. (I'm always afraid of losing the keys when I lock anything. Haven't been able to get into my house in several days now. Just kidding.) Sincerely, David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 1440 NE 59th Portland, Oregon 97213 (360) 260-2066 at work (541) 730-5285 cell ====================================================================== David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com Other Affiliations David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org ====================================================================== From seniorr@aracnet.com Tue Mar 19 17:00:33 2002 Received: from bonneville.tdb.com ([216.99.214.10] helo=coulee.tdb.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nUSv-0006rc-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:00:33 -0800 Received: (qmail 19723 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Mar 2002 01:00:34 -0000 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] emacs21 toolbar References: <15511.55188.245175.331036@soggy.deldotd.com> From: Russell Senior Date: 19 Mar 2002 17:00:34 -0800 In-Reply-To: <15511.55188.245175.331036@soggy.deldotd.com> Message-ID: <86lmcoxdcd.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 582 Lines: 21 >>>>> "briand" == briand writes: briand> I upgraded to emacs21, just for grins, and there is this briand> annoying toolbar in the display. briand> Anybody know how to get rid of it ? to toggle: M-x tool-bar-mode see also the variable: tool-bar-originally-present -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From briand@aracnet.com Tue Mar 19 17:02:42 2002 Received: from mail3.aracnet.com ([216.99.193.38]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nUV0-0006tc-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:02:42 -0800 Received: from soggy.deldotd.com (216-99-206-32.cust.aracnet.com [216.99.206.32]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2K12uWa014172; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:02:56 -0800 Received: from briand by soggy.deldotd.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nUWl-00070u-00; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:04:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15511.57375.672442.604580@soggy.deldotd.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:04:31 -0800 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Cc: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] emacs21 toolbar In-Reply-To: <15511.55188.245175.331036@soggy.deldotd.com> References: <15511.55188.245175.331036@soggy.deldotd.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 21.1.1 From: briand@aracnet.com Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 46 Lines: 6 DOH! Look for tool-bar, not toolbar. Brian From briand@aracnet.com Tue Mar 19 17:02:42 2002 Received: from mail3.aracnet.com ([216.99.193.38]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nUUz-0006tW-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:02:41 -0800 Received: from soggy.deldotd.com (216-99-206-32.cust.aracnet.com [216.99.206.32]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2K12uWa014172; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:02:56 -0800 Received: from briand by soggy.deldotd.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nUWl-00070u-00; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:04:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15511.57375.672442.604580@soggy.deldotd.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:04:31 -0800 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Cc: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] emacs21 toolbar In-Reply-To: <15511.55188.245175.331036@soggy.deldotd.com> References: <15511.55188.245175.331036@soggy.deldotd.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 21.1.1 From: briand@aracnet.com Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 46 Lines: 6 DOH! Look for tool-bar, not toolbar. Brian From briand@aracnet.com Tue Mar 19 17:38:34 2002 Received: from mail3.aracnet.com ([216.99.193.38]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nV3i-0007TK-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:38:34 -0800 Received: from soggy.deldotd.com (216-99-206-32.cust.aracnet.com [216.99.206.32]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2K1cnWa026730 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:38:49 -0800 Received: from briand by soggy.deldotd.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16nV5V-00072l-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:40:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15511.59529.551008.138910@soggy.deldotd.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:40:25 -0800 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] emacs21 toolbar In-Reply-To: <86lmcoxdcd.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> References: <15511.55188.245175.331036@soggy.deldotd.com> <86lmcoxdcd.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 21.1.1 From: briand@aracnet.com Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 386 Lines: 20 >>>>> "Russell" == Russell Senior writes: Russell> M-x tool-bar-mode Russell> see also the variable: Russell> tool-bar-originally-present This of course brings up the interesting question. What if someone decided to use non-standard spelling of some sort, like: tl-br or something equally silly. How would you ever figure it out ? Brian From pluglist@bratgrrl.com Tue Mar 19 17:39:46 2002 Received: from callisto.affordablehost.com ([64.23.37.14]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nV4s-0007UT-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:39:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 11177 invoked by uid 509); 20 Mar 2002 01:39:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20020320013940.9250.qmail@callisto.affordablehost.com> References: In-Reply-To: From: "Carla Schroder" To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:39:39 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] Re: Cryptographic filesystem? Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1005 Lines: 26 David Mandel writes: . > I installed and tested SuSE's encrypted filesystem on a couple disks, > and it seemed to work quite ok; but I didn't have enough need or interest > in it to run it thur it's paces. (I'm always afraid of losing the > keys when I lock anything. Haven't been able to get into my > house in several days now. Just kidding.) > Um, actually that's the thing that's kept me from going nutso on security- if you lock yourself out of your own computer files, then what? For customers managing security is an even bigger problem. Most would rather be lax so they can do their jobs, then they don't have to worry about losing the 'keys', or tracking who has access to what. I'm ahead of the game if I can persuade them to change passwords when someone leaves the company. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carla Schroder, Bratgrrl Computing Plain English Spoken Here www.bratgrrl.com This message brought to you by SqWebMail and qmail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From seniorr@aracnet.com Tue Mar 19 17:44:12 2002 Received: from bonneville.tdb.com ([216.99.214.10] helo=coulee.tdb.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nV9A-0007bI-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:44:12 -0800 Received: (qmail 19877 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Mar 2002 01:44:13 -0000 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] emacs21 toolbar References: <15511.55188.245175.331036@soggy.deldotd.com> <86lmcoxdcd.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <15511.59529.551008.138910@soggy.deldotd.com> From: Russell Senior Date: 19 Mar 2002 17:44:13 -0800 In-Reply-To: <15511.59529.551008.138910@soggy.deldotd.com> Message-ID: <86g02wxbbm.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 715 Lines: 21 >>>>> "briand" == briand writes: briand> This of course brings up the interesting question. What if briand> someone decided to use non-standard spelling of some sort, briand> like: briand> tl-br briand> or something equally silly. How would you ever figure it out briand> ? Two handy tools: M-x apropos and the tab key. C-h v and C-h f is what I used. Also, find the lisp directory and use grep. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From nmeyers@javalinux.net Tue Mar 19 17:52:32 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com ([216.148.227.87]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nVHD-0007hA-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:52:32 -0800 Received: from turing.home.network ([12.224.156.137]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320015200.WTXA1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@turing.home.network> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:52:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turing.home.network (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACB811875 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by turing.home.network (Postfix, from userid 501) id E1B2F11874; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:51:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:51:56 -0800 From: Nathan Meyers To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: Cryptographic filesystem? Message-ID: <20020320015156.GA17274@javalinux.net> References: <20020320013940.9250.qmail@callisto.affordablehost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020320013940.9250.qmail@callisto.affordablehost.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1071 Lines: 24 On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 01:39:39AM +0000, Carla Schroder wrote: > David Mandel writes: > > . > >I installed and tested SuSE's encrypted filesystem on a couple disks, > >and it seemed to work quite ok; but I didn't have enough need or interest > >in it to run it thur it's paces. (I'm always afraid of losing the > >keys when I lock anything. Haven't been able to get into my > >house in several days now. Just kidding.) > > > > Um, actually that's the thing that's kept me from going nutso on security- > if you lock yourself out of your own computer files, then what? For > customers managing security is an even bigger problem. Most would rather be > lax so they can do their jobs, then they don't have to worry about losing > the 'keys', or tracking who has access to what. I'm ahead of the game if I > can persuade them to change passwords when someone leaves the company. It's a reasonable step for highly sensitive data - as long as the customer understands the risks. Trying to lock down everything is, as Carla says, a recipe for disaster. Nathan From pcwren@email.msn.com Tue Mar 19 18:36:19 2002 Received: from cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com ([207.46.181.79]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nVxa-00082B-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:36:18 -0800 Received: from father ([63.224.229.129]) by cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:34:20 -0800 From: "Philip Wren" To: "Owner-Plug" Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:34:53 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c1cfb7$d1ae2420$6f00000a@mshome.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CF74.C38AE420" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2002 02:34:20.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD598550:01C1CFB7] Subject: [PLUG] RedHat 7.1 network card Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 5342 Lines: 182 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CF74.C38AE420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello again, I posted earlier about adding a second network card to my Compaq 4000. I was reading at RedHat.com and saw that the auto detect only looks at the first nic card that it finds. I have found that the drivers are present and I have added it to the modules.conf file but I must be missing something about the card installation to get it to work. Does anyone have places I should look for all the steps for installing a second nic card? I have been trying to read the RedHat site documentation but have gotten very little from it so far. Thanks in advance for any help you have. :-) ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CF74.C38AE420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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        = ;    I posted earlier about adding a second network card to my Compaq 4000. I was = reading at RedHat.com and saw that the auto detect only = looks at the first nic card that it finds. I have found that the drivers are = present and I have added it to the modules.conf file but I must be missing something = about the card installation to get it to work. Does anyone have places I = should look for all the steps for installing a second nic card? I have been trying = to read the RedHat site documentation but have gotten very little from it so = far. Thanks in advance for any help you have… J

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CF74.C38AE420-- From plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Tue Mar 19 18:50:02 2002 Xref: news.pdxlinux.org plug.plug:98 Newsgroups: plug.plug Path: news.pdxlinux.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:45:56 -0800 User-Agent: KNode/0.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 76.portland-13-14rs.or.dial-access.att.net Message-ID: References: Organization: Portland Linux Users Group Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] Re: Linux 7.2 Printer Problem Solved Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1836 Lines: 50 Success!!! Thanks to all who wrote suggestions. I was finally able, with all the help, to figure out I had hosed the Hosts: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain when I was trying to get the WWW to work again. I put it back in order and now I can print fine on both the local and network printers. Now another question. In Red Hat Linux for Dummies, Jon "maddog" Hall suggests giving the computer an IP address of 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.254.254. When I do this I loose access to my HP JetDirect card webpage (on the HP 4050 network printer). I use the Konqueror web browser to access it. The JetDirect IP is 169.254.164.209 If I set the computers IP address to a 169 number it sees it fine, so that's what it is now. Is using a 169 number instead of a 192 a mistake? Thanks, Robert Robert wrote: > I just installed Linux 7.2 for the first time and am having a problem. > > I finally got it to access my home network and my HP laser printer with a > jetdirect card, but then it lost internet access, although it would still > sign-on to AT&T just fine, it just wouldn't access the WWW. When I > selected "Use Hardware Address" in "Network Configuration" it started to > access the WWW with AT&T again, but now I lost the HP LAN printer as well > as a local > NEC printer. Changing the settings back makes no difference, I still > can't access the printers. I can access the LAN fine and even visit the HP > JetDirect built-in homepage. > > I am getting a " localhost.localdomain bad " message on bootup ( I don't > know if it was there all along or just started) and it seems to be > directly > connected to the printing problem. I tried changing the settings around, > from leaving them blank to changing the names and settings, but nothing > works. > > Anyone know the answer to this one? > > Thanks, > Robert From nmeyers@javalinux.net Tue Mar 19 19:13:29 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com ([204.127.198.38]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nWXZ-0008RK-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:13:29 -0800 Received: from turing.home.network ([12.224.156.137]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320031012.TRIX2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@turing.home.network> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:10:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turing.home.network (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883CE11875 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by turing.home.network (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5612611874; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:10:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:10:08 -0800 From: Nathan Meyers To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] RedHat 7.1 network card Message-ID: <20020320031008.GA18337@javalinux.net> References: <000001c1cfb7$d1ae2420$6f00000a@mshome.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000001c1cfb7$d1ae2420$6f00000a@mshome.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1355 Lines: 40 On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:34:53PM -0800, Philip Wren wrote: > Hello again, > > I posted earlier about adding a second network card to my > Compaq 4000. I was reading at RedHat.com and saw that the auto detect > only looks at the first nic card that it finds. I have found that the > drivers are present and I have added it to the modules.conf file but I > must be missing something about the card installation to get it to work. > Does anyone have places I should look for all the steps for installing a > second nic card? I have been trying to read the RedHat site > documentation but have gotten very little from it so far. Thanks in > advance for any help you have. :-) You said they're both 3c905's? Once the driver is loaded, both cards should be visible. Try this: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 /sbin/ifconfig eth1 I think you'll see results from both commands. The second card is just waiting for you to set it up. In /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts, you'll find an ifcfg-eth0 but, I assume, not an ifcfg-eth1. If that's the case do this: 1) Copy ifcfg-eth0 to ifcfg-eth1 2) Edit ifcfg-eth1, changing "eth0" to "eth1" and whatever other settings (such as address) need to change for that card. 3) Bring up the second card with the command: /sbin/ifup eth1 This will also happen automatically when next you boot. Nathan From nmeyers@javalinux.net Tue Mar 19 19:16:18 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com ([204.127.198.38]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nWaI-0008Uy-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:16:18 -0800 Received: from turing.home.network ([12.224.156.137]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320031412.TWAL2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@turing.home.network> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:14:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turing.home.network (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C0011875 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:14:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by turing.home.network (Postfix, from userid 501) id A7C5D11874; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:14:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:14:08 -0800 From: Nathan Meyers To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: Linux 7.2 Printer Problem Solved Message-ID: <20020320031408.GB18337@javalinux.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1122 Lines: 28 On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:45:56PM -0800, Robert wrote: > Now another question. In Red Hat Linux for Dummies, Jon "maddog" Hall > suggests giving the computer an IP address of 192.168.1.1 to > 192.168.254.254. > > When I do this I loose access to my HP JetDirect card webpage (on the HP > 4050 network printer). I use the Konqueror web browser to access it. > > The JetDirect IP is 169.254.164.209 > > If I set the computers IP address to a 169 number it sees it fine, so > that's what it is now. > > Is using a 169 number instead of a 192 a mistake? The 192.168.X.Y addresses are private addresses that will never conflict with an address on the Internet - they're the right choice for machines that haven't been assigned an Internet address. Your JetDirect address is probably left over from a previous life at the office, yes? If you can change its address to be on the same subnet as your other machines, you should be in business. To have all the machines on the same subnet, they should all have 192.168.X.Y addresses, where X is the same for all machines, and Y is different for each machine. Nathan From jeff@jhenshaw.com Tue Mar 19 19:38:29 2002 Received: from sub24-226.member.dsl-only.net ([63.105.24.226] helo=mail.jhenshaw.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nWvl-0000E4-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:38:29 -0800 Received: from jhenshaw.com (oem [192.168.0.4]) by mail.jhenshaw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF5211F3 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:41:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C9804B8.2090906@jhenshaw.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:40:40 -0800 From: "J.A. Henshaw" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010913 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: Linux 7.2 Printer Problem Solved References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1654 Lines: 54 Robert wrote: > Success!!! > > Thanks to all who wrote suggestions. I was finally able, with all the > help, to figure out I had hosed the Hosts: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain > when I was trying to get the WWW to work again. I put it back in order and > now I can print fine on both the local and network printers. > > Now another question. In Red Hat Linux for Dummies, Jon "maddog" Hall > suggests giving the computer an IP address of 192.168.1.1 to > 192.168.254.254. > > When I do this I loose access to my HP JetDirect card webpage (on the HP > 4050 network printer). I use the Konqueror web browser to access it. > > The JetDirect IP is 169.254.164.209 > > If I set the computers IP address to a 169 number it sees it fine, so > that's what it is now. > > Is using a 169 number instead of a 192 a mistake? > > Thanks, > Robert http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98dec/I-D/draft-ietf-dhc-ipv4-autoconfig-01.txt Here is an article explaining the dynamics if the IPv4 autoconfig process. "addresses allocated by this mechanism MUST NOT be routed by any network device. The addresses are designed to be link local addresses. Link local address are to be, by definition, restricted to the local network segment. Allocation of link-local addresses in an IPv6 network is described in [IPv6SAC]." The JetDirect may or may not have done an autodiscover to see if the iP was in use. Your workstation definitely did not. They may or may not be routable over the net depending on your ISP's routers configurations and your own gateways configuration. Best to follow Nathan's advice and stick with Private IP ranges. From rustifer@attbi.com Tue Mar 19 19:47:12 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com ([216.148.227.88]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nX4B-0000Jq-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:47:11 -0800 Received: from c1680721-b.attbi.com ([12.224.171.161]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320034637.GUHV1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@c1680721-b.attbi.com> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:46:37 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419194930.009fd230@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: rustifer@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:54:35 -0800 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org From: Russ Gilman-Hunt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [PLUG] kernel 2.4.5 and es1371 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 969 Lines: 23 I purchased a es1371 to work with my linux computer as it's in the kernel options list. It worked great under kernel 2.2.17, but with the kernel 2.4.5, I'm having a problem... here's where "make bzlilo" dies... drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o: In function `es1371_probe': drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o(.text+0x673b): undefined reference to `gameport_register_port' drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o: In function `es1371_remove': drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o(.text+0x6883): undefined reference to `gameport_unregister_port' make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 So I've looked it up on google and it looks like there may be a flaw in the 2.4.5 kernel with those particular cards. However, I generally don't believe my first response, especially when the answer is "it's someone else's fault. " I've tried compiling this into the kernel (the es1371 card) as well as joystick support. Is there something else I'm missing, or should I try downloading a different kernel? -Russ From pcwren@email.msn.com Tue Mar 19 19:52:55 2002 Received: from cpimssmtpu04.email.msn.com ([207.46.181.80]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nX9j-0000NR-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:52:55 -0800 Received: from father ([63.224.229.129]) by cpimssmtpu04.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:51:07 -0800 From: "Philip Wren" To: Subject: RE: [PLUG] RedHat 7.1 network card Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:51:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c1cfc2$8b6d84a0$6f00000a@mshome.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020320031008.GA18337@javalinux.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2002 03:51:07.0884 (UTC) FILETIME=[77842AC0:01C1CFC2] Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1861 Lines: 60 Thanks With the additional information I was able to locate the problem and correct it. I now have both nic cards working. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Meyers Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:10 PM To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] RedHat 7.1 network card On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:34:53PM -0800, Philip Wren wrote: > Hello again, > > I posted earlier about adding a second network card to my > Compaq 4000. I was reading at RedHat.com and saw that the auto detect > only looks at the first nic card that it finds. I have found that the > drivers are present and I have added it to the modules.conf file but I > must be missing something about the card installation to get it to work. > Does anyone have places I should look for all the steps for installing a > second nic card? I have been trying to read the RedHat site > documentation but have gotten very little from it so far. Thanks in > advance for any help you have. :-) You said they're both 3c905's? Once the driver is loaded, both cards should be visible. Try this: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 /sbin/ifconfig eth1 I think you'll see results from both commands. The second card is just waiting for you to set it up. In /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts, you'll find an ifcfg-eth0 but, I assume, not an ifcfg-eth1. If that's the case do this: 1) Copy ifcfg-eth0 to ifcfg-eth1 2) Edit ifcfg-eth1, changing "eth0" to "eth1" and whatever other settings (such as address) need to change for that card. 3) Bring up the second card with the command: /sbin/ifup eth1 This will also happen automatically when next you boot. Nathan _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From jeme@brelin.net Tue Mar 19 19:59:38 2002 Received: from shaft.bitmine.net ([216.231.58.163]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nXGE-0000SR-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:59:38 -0800 Received: from localhost (jbrelin@localhost) by shaft.bitmine.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA30134 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:00:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:00:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jeme A Brelin X-Sender: jbrelin@shaft.bitmine.net To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] fair use? (was Revolution OS) In-Reply-To: <3C8FE49F0000571E@mta07.san.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 614 Lines: 22 On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Dylan Reinhardt wrote: > Not to start an off-topic legal thread, but Fair Use is not so broadly > defined as all that. I read the statute very differently. David Boies (chief prosecutor in the Microsoft case and Napster chief legal council) agrees with me. His primary argument in the Napster case is that ALL non-commercial copying is legal. This argument is probably the main reason Napster was bought out and the case will never make it to trial. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From alan@clueserver.org Tue Mar 19 20:02:08 2002 Received: from 216-99-213-120.dsl.aracnet.com ([216.99.213.120] helo=clueserver.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nXId-0000Uk-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:02:07 -0800 Received: from there (summanulla.clueserver.org [10.6.6.5]) by clueserver.org (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id g2K5JTL29126 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:19:29 -0800 Message-Id: <200203200519.g2K5JTL29126@clueserver.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Alan To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] kernel 2.4.5 and es1371 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:41:48 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419194930.009fd230@mail.attbi.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419194930.009fd230@mail.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: alan@clueserver.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1081 Lines: 22 On Friday 19 April 2002 20:54, you wrote: > I purchased a es1371 to work with my linux computer as it's in the kernel > options list. It worked great under kernel 2.2.17, but with the kernel > 2.4.5, I'm having a problem... here's where "make bzlilo" dies... > > drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o: In function `es1371_probe': > drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o(.text+0x673b): undefined reference to > `gameport_register_port' > drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o: In function `es1371_remove': > drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o(.text+0x6883): undefined reference to > `gameport_unregister_port' > make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 > > So I've looked it up on google and it looks like there may be a flaw in the > 2.4.5 kernel with those particular cards. However, I generally don't > believe my first response, especially when the answer is "it's someone > else's fault. " I've tried compiling this into the kernel (the es1371 > card) as well as joystick support. Is there something else I'm missing, or > should I try downloading a different kernel? Why are you using 2.4..5? It is far from current. From deanm@sharplabs.com Tue Mar 19 20:08:52 2002 Received: from keymaster.sharplabs.com ([216.65.151.107] helo=sharplabs.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nXPA-0000aY-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:08:52 -0800 Received: from admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com (admsrvnt02 [172.29.225.253]) by sharplabs.com (8.9.1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA12146 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from pons.enet.sharplabs.com ([172.29.224.249]) by admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id HGNF7APV; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:08:28 -0800 Received: by pons.enet.sharplabs.com (Postfix, from userid 7003) id C58D010E055; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:08:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Dean S. Messing" To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org In-reply-to: <15511.59529.551008.138910@soggy.deldotd.com> (briand@aracnet.com) Subject: Re: [PLUG] emacs21 toolbar References: <15511.55188.245175.331036@soggy.deldotd.com> <86lmcoxdcd.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <15511.59529.551008.138910@soggy.deldotd.com> Message-Id: <20020320040819.C58D010E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:08:19 -0800 (PST) Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 583 Lines: 23 :: This of course brings up the interesting question. What if someone :: decided to use non-standard spelling of some sort, like: :: :: tl-br :: :: or something equally silly. How would you ever figure it out ? :: :: Brian W/in emacs-21 do: C-h i m em s tool.*bar That will get you to all occurrences of "tool-bar", "toolbar", or "tool bar". So even if some un-enlightened soul called the command "tl-br", the phrase "tool.*bar" would still certainly appear in the docs, from which you would discover the command. C-h i m em is your friend. Dean From deanm@sharplabs.com Tue Mar 19 20:13:14 2002 Received: from keymaster.sharplabs.com ([216.65.151.107] helo=sharplabs.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nXTO-0000eb-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:13:14 -0800 Received: from admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com (admsrvnt02 [172.29.225.253]) by sharplabs.com (8.9.1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA12163 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from pons.enet.sharplabs.com ([172.29.224.249]) by admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id HGNF7AP9; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:12:51 -0800 Received: by pons.enet.sharplabs.com (Postfix, from userid 7003) id 0FDE910E055; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:12:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Dean S. Messing" To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org In-reply-to: <15511.59529.551008.138910@soggy.deldotd.com> (briand@aracnet.com) Subject: Re: [PLUG] emacs21 toolbar References: <15511.55188.245175.331036@soggy.deldotd.com> <86lmcoxdcd.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <15511.59529.551008.138910@soggy.deldotd.com> Message-Id: <20020320041242.0FDE910E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:12:42 -0800 (PST) Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 199 Lines: 6 Saw this today in someone's sig on the Mandrake Experts group. Thought it was cute. Son: Daddy, why do we have to hide from the police? Father: Because we use emacs, son. They use vi. From nmeyers@javalinux.net Tue Mar 19 20:13:59 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com ([204.127.198.38]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nXU7-0000fD-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:13:59 -0800 Received: from turing.home.network ([12.224.156.137]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320041328.WQTJ2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@turing.home.network> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:13:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turing.home.network (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3330411875 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:13:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by turing.home.network (Postfix, from userid 501) id 03F2E11874; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:13:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:13:24 -0800 From: Nathan Meyers To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] kernel 2.4.5 and es1371 Message-ID: <20020320041324.GA19286@javalinux.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419194930.009fd230@mail.attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419194930.009fd230@mail.attbi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1611 Lines: 32 On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 07:54:35PM -0800, Russ Gilman-Hunt wrote: > I purchased a es1371 to work with my linux computer as it's in the kernel > options list. It worked great under kernel 2.2.17, but with the kernel > 2.4.5, I'm having a problem... here's where "make bzlilo" dies... > > drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o: In function `es1371_probe': > drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o(.text+0x673b): undefined reference to > `gameport_register_port' > drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o: In function `es1371_remove': > drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o(.text+0x6883): undefined reference to > `gameport_unregister_port' > make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 > > So I've looked it up on google and it looks like there may be a flaw in the > 2.4.5 kernel with those particular cards. However, I generally don't > believe my first response, especially when the answer is "it's someone > else's fault. " I've tried compiling this into the kernel (the es1371 > card) as well as joystick support. Is there something else I'm missing, or > should I try downloading a different kernel? Sometimes problems like this result when the kernel is not uniformly built with modversions turned on or modversions turned off - some code might be looking for gameport_register_port when it should be looking for something like gameport_register_port_Raa96bd99. I'd recommend making sure you have a clean consistent build by running "make mrproper" before you build. You'll need to save your ".config" file before "make mrproper", then restore it and run "make config" (or xconfig or menuconfig) to get things properly set up to rebuild. Nathan From pcwren@email.msn.com Tue Mar 19 20:15:38 2002 Received: from cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com ([207.46.181.79]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nXVi-0000ia-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:15:38 -0800 Received: from father ([63.224.229.129]) by cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:13:50 -0800 From: "Philip Wren" To: "Owner-Plug" Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:14:23 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c1cfc5$b80dbea0$6f00000a@mshome.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CF82.A9EA7EA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2002 04:13:51.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3FF9EB0:01C1CFC5] Subject: [PLUG] Networks and NIC cards... Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 5361 Lines: 183 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CF82.A9EA7EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello once again, I am setting up a small cluster that is attached to my home network so that I can login for school and other places to work on the small cluster. I have configured both nic card so that the server for the cluster sees them both but now I am wondering about good places to read about the (and bear with me, I am a newbie) the 'bind'ing of services and routing of requests so that they go to the proper places. I have a Windows machine as my internet gateway with the cluster behind the server to the cluster if that is relevant. Thanx. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CF82.A9EA7EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CF82.A9EA7EA0-- From jeme@brelin.net Tue Mar 19 20:21:15 2002 Received: from shaft.bitmine.net ([216.231.58.163]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nXb9-0000oy-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:21:15 -0800 Received: from localhost (jbrelin@localhost) by shaft.bitmine.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA30262 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:21:18 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:21:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jeme A Brelin X-Sender: jbrelin@shaft.bitmine.net To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: Linux 7.2 Printer Problem Solved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 3883 Lines: 95 On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Robert wrote: > Now another question. In Red Hat Linux for Dummies, Jon "maddog" Hall > suggests giving the computer an IP address of 192.168.1.1 to > 192.168.254.254. > > When I do this I loose access to my HP JetDirect card webpage (on the HP > 4050 network printer). I use the Konqueror web browser to access it. > > The JetDirect IP is 169.254.164.209 > > If I set the computers IP address to a 169 number it sees it fine, so > that's what it is now. > > Is using a 169 number instead of a 192 a mistake? There are three "private" IP blocks set aside from the publicly routable internet blocks: 10.0.0.0/8 172.16.0.0/12 192.168.0.0/16 (See RFC 1918 ) If your network uses a subnet in one of the above blocks, it will not be routable directly on the internet. Most people that use this private address space that want to communicate with the wide internet do so via a process called Network Address Translation. This process requires a gateway host with access to both the internet and the private network to pass all traffic between the two networks, translating the private addresses to public ones. This is mostly useful because a large number of computers on a private network can share one globally routable IP address. It also helps prevent unwanted inbound traffic because the machines inside the private network are not directly addressable from outside without an appropriate translation entry on the gateway machine. Now, there is also this range: 169.254.0.0/16 I'm a little fuzzier on this, but I'll give an explanation a shot. This is the "link-local" address range. Essentially, if a machine is supposed to get an IP address dynamically (from a DHCP server or something) and can't, it's supposed to assume one of these addresses and continue to function, though not participating on the network (presumably, since there are no other local machines on that network). Using this address space for a local network is a recipe for disaster. Your JetDirect card was configured with this address as a sort of sample/random address and should be reconfigured with an address that is actually used on your local network. Depending on how your connectivity with the outside world works, you have a few options. Here's my Best Suggestion for a home network with a permanent internet connection of some kind (DSL, Cable, Frame, ISDN, etc.): Build a local network using one of the private address spaces set aside by RFC 1918, renumbering existing systems as necessary. (In order to renumber my network printer, I had to run a special diagnostic mode on the printer and get a printout of the MAC address for the network card, set an entry in the arp table of one of my computers with the desired address, then simply ping the address. The printer's network card understood that the address to which the ping packet was destined should be its IP address. Seems like a very foolish system if anyone on the network can change the printer's IP at will, but I didn't design the thing.) Acquire a gateway/firewall device to bridge the local network and the greater internet. Configure this device with one interface on the internet via your remote network bridge device (DSL bridge, cable modem, etc.) and another interface on your local, private network. Configure Network Address Translation between the two interfaces. Set the internal interface on the firewall as the Default Gateway on each host on the private network that needs to reach the internet. Set your ISP's default gateway as the default on the firewall machine. If you need further help, ask here or show up at a plug meeting and get ready to talk notes and draw diagrams. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From robbertv@vafam.com Tue Mar 19 20:26:22 2002 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net ([209.15.2.70]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nXg6-0000sk-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:26:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 17002 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 04:26:20 -0000 Received: from leo.hosting4u.net (HELO vafam.com) (209.15.2.51) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 04:26:20 -0000 Received: from main ([12.225.235.159]) by vafam.com ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:26:18 -0600 From: "Robbert van Andel" To: Subject: RE: [PLUG] Using a router with AT&T cable, was (no subject) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:26:15 -0800 Message-ID: <00ee01c1cfc7$609f2ad0$6401a8c0@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020319080453.B31619@kippered.herring.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Rcpt-To: Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1401 Lines: 47 Thanks, I was missing that bit of information. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Herring Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 8:05 AM To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Using a router with AT&T cable, was (no subject) If you're running RH (can't speak for the other distros), you can restart network services by `service network restart'. Or, go directly for the init script... /etc/init.d/network {start|stop|restart|reload|status|probe} Sandy On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Greg wrote: > Don't worry. That, too, shall pass. ;) > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:15:54 -0800 > "Robbert van Andel" wrote: > > > What I did was check a box in the TCP/IP configuration to get dns > > information from the host, or something like that. I rebooted (okay, so > > I use windows a lot) and it worked. > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. From alan@clueserver.org Tue Mar 19 20:59:11 2002 Received: from 216-99-213-120.dsl.aracnet.com ([216.99.213.120] helo=clueserver.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nYBr-00017Q-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:59:11 -0800 Received: from there (summanulla.clueserver.org [10.6.6.5]) by clueserver.org (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id g2K6GWL29485; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:16:33 -0800 Message-Id: <200203200616.g2K6GWL29485@clueserver.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Alan To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org, Russ Gilman-Hunt Subject: Re: [PLUG] kernel 2.4.5 and es1371 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:38:50 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419194930.009fd230@mail.attbi.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419194930.009fd230@mail.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: alan@clueserver.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1453 Lines: 31 On Friday 19 April 2002 20:54, Russ Gilman-Hunt wrote: > I purchased a es1371 to work with my linux computer as it's in the kernel > options list. It worked great under kernel 2.2.17, but with the kernel > 2.4.5, I'm having a problem... here's where "make bzlilo" dies... > > drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o: In function `es1371_probe': > drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o(.text+0x673b): undefined reference to > `gameport_register_port' > drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o: In function `es1371_remove': > drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o(.text+0x6883): undefined reference to > `gameport_unregister_port' > make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 > > So I've looked it up on google and it looks like there may be a flaw in the > 2.4.5 kernel with those particular cards. However, I generally don't > believe my first response, especially when the answer is "it's someone > else's fault. " I've tried compiling this into the kernel (the es1371 > card) as well as joystick support. Is there something else I'm missing, or > should I try downloading a different kernel? I would get something more current. I do however remember what causes this. You have to have both the soundcard and the joystick compiled as a module. It is tricky to get this to work right. (I have the same sound card.) The sound card works, but getting it to work with the joystick is not always easy for some unknown reason. I may have a .config for that version that works, if you want an example. From tomd@spiritone.com Tue Mar 19 21:00:34 2002 Received: from mx.spiritone.com ([216.99.221.5]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nYDC-00018t-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:00:34 -0800 Received: (qmail 4335 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 05:00:33 -0000 Received: (ofmipd 216.99.198.24); 20 Mar 2002 05:00:11 -0000 Date: 19 Mar 2002 21:14:03 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c1cfce$2d7c0680$0300a8c0@wintom> From: "Tom Dana" To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [PLUG] Simple external modem configuration Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1772 Lines: 54 tomd here: quick newbie kind of question. running mandrake 8.1 adding an external modem SmartLink 5634TS to serial port 1. CMOS has serial port set to COM 2. /dev/modem is pointing to ttyS1. OK so far. While trying to make a dial-up connection, modem gets initialized, ATDT is delivered, the connection is made, but pppd times out after 30 seconds. Error message of 'Timeout expired while waiting for ppp interface to come up." The rpm for pppd v. 2.4.1 is loaded, but pppd doesn't seem to be coming up after the connection is made. Error logs look like this: Error messages from first internet connection attempt: Mar 17 17:38:40 lintom pppd[10086]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 Mar 17 17:38:40 lintom pppd[10086]: Using interface ppp0 Mar 17 17:38:40 lintom pppd[10086]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1 Mar 17 17:39:10 lintom pppd[10086]: Terminating on signal 15. Mar 17 17:39:16 lintom pppd[10086]: Connection terminated. Mar 17 17:39:16 lintom pppd[10086]: Exit. Error messages from second internet connection attempt: Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: using channel 4 Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: Using interface ppp0 Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1 Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 ] Mar 17 17:44:34 lintom pppd[10173]: Terminating on signal 15. Mar 17 17:44:34 lintom pppd[10173]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "User request"] Mar 17 17:44:37 lintom pppd[10173]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x3 "User request"] Mar 17 17:44:40 lintom pppd[10173]: Connection terminated. Mar 17 17:44:40 lintom pppd[10173]: Exit. What's preventing pppd from coming up?? TIA, tomd From sandbox@pacifier.com Tue Mar 19 21:10:00 2002 Received: from [199.2.117.155] (helo=comet.pacifier.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nYMJ-0001FX-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:09:59 -0800 Received: from pacifier.com (dsl1.usw-1-224.pacifier.com [207.202.224.1]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2K59v220372 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:09:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C981987.5000807@pacifier.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:09:27 -0800 From: Kyle Accardi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2.1) Gecko/20010901 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: Cryptographic filesystem? References: <20020320013940.9250.qmail@callisto.affordablehost.com> <20020320015156.GA17274@javalinux.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1229 Lines: 33 Nathan Meyers wrote: > On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 01:39:39AM +0000, Carla Schroder wrote: > >>David Mandel writes: >>>I installed and tested SuSE's encrypted filesystem on a couple disks, >>>and it seemed to work quite ok; but I didn't have enough need or interest >>>in it to run it thur it's paces. (I'm always afraid of losing the >>>keys when I lock anything. Haven't been able to get into my >>>house in several days now. Just kidding.) >>> >>Um, actually that's the thing that's kept me from going nutso on security- >>if you lock yourself out of your own computer files, then what? For >>customers managing security is an even bigger problem. Most would rather be >>lax so they can do their jobs, then they don't have to worry about losing >>the 'keys', or tracking who has access to what. I'm ahead of the game if I >>can persuade them to change passwords when someone leaves the company. > > It's a reasonable step for highly sensitive data - as long as the customer > understands the risks. Trying to lock down everything is, as Carla says, > a recipe for disaster. Wall safe. Not that I have one, but if I did I'd be less worried about key encryption. See also: safe deposit box. -- Kyle Accardi From alan@clueserver.org Tue Mar 19 21:09:24 2002 Received: from 216-99-213-120.dsl.aracnet.com ([216.99.213.120] helo=clueserver.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nYLj-0001FL-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:09:24 -0800 Received: from there (summanulla.clueserver.org [10.6.6.5]) by clueserver.org (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id g2K6QjL29532; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:26:46 -0800 Message-Id: <200203200626.g2K6QjL29532@clueserver.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Alan To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org, "Philip Wren" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Networks and NIC cards... Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:49:03 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <000001c1cfc5$b80dbea0$6f00000a@mshome.net> In-Reply-To: <000001c1cfc5$b80dbea0$6f00000a@mshome.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: alan@clueserver.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 918 Lines: 20 On Tuesday 19 March 2002 20:14, Philip Wren wrote: > Hello once again, > > I am setting up a small cluster that is attached to my home > network so that I can login for school and other places to work on the > small cluster. I have configured both nic card so that the server for > the cluster sees them both but now I am wondering about good places to > read about the (and bear with me, I am a newbie) the 'bind'ing of > services and routing of requests so that they go to the proper places. > > I have a Windows machine as my internet gateway with the > cluster behind the server to the cluster if that is relevant. Take a look at "FloppyFW" via Freshmeat.net. It has the instructions for setting up a gateway without having to use the flakey MS Gateway code. Or you can build your own using "Linux Firewalls" by Robert L. Ziegler. (New Riders Press) He has examples on his web site. From dylan@dylanreinhardt.com Tue Mar 19 21:19:37 2002 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nYVd-0001NL-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:19:37 -0800 Received: from [66.149.127.213] by mail.san.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:19:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:19:31 -0800 Message-ID: <3C8FE49F00005A4B@mta07.san.yahoo.com> From: "Dylan Reinhardt" Subject: Re: [PLUG] fair use? (was Revolution OS) To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: plug@dylanreinhardt.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1352 Lines: 44 > David Boies (chief prosecutor in the Microsoft case > and Napster chief legal council) agrees with me. I have no idea what Boies believes, but what you're arguing is not the ca= se he made in court. > His primary argument in the Napster case > is that ALL non-commercial copying is legal. It was nothing of the sort. Napster's argument was that their service wa= s analgous to a VCR... and that even though one obvious application of the technology in question is to make unauthorized copies of a copyrighted wo= rk, that does not make the technology itself illegal. "Fair Use" comes into play only to the degree that Fair Use applications *potentially* exist fo= r the technology. The bulk of MP3 trading is still illegal and Napster has never (to my kno= wledge) claimed otherwise. All they were trying to argue is that *they* were not= liable for damages for being a third party to the illegal activity of the= ir users. Had Napster won in court, this would in no way have meant that *a= ll* uses of their technology were suddenly covered by Fair Use. This is quit= e a narrower scope of argument than what you suggest. I'd welcome the opportunity to discuss this with you further, but we prob= ably shouldn't clog the list with our discussion. Feel free to write me direc= tly if you'd like: dylan@dylanreinhardt.com Dylan From jeff@jhenshaw.com Tue Mar 19 21:23:32 2002 Received: from sub24-226.member.dsl-only.net ([63.105.24.226] helo=mail.jhenshaw.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nYZP-0001QS-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:23:31 -0800 Received: from jhenshaw.com (oem [192.168.0.4]) by mail.jhenshaw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8163811F3 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:26:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C981D59.7060601@jhenshaw.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:25:45 -0800 From: "J.A. Henshaw" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010913 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Simple external modem configuration References: <000c01c1cfce$2d7c0680$0300a8c0@wintom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 2142 Lines: 62 Tom Dana wrote: > tomd here: > > quick newbie kind of question. > > running mandrake 8.1 > > adding an external modem SmartLink 5634TS to serial port 1. > CMOS has serial port set to COM 2. > /dev/modem is pointing to ttyS1. OK so far. > > While trying to make a dial-up connection, modem gets initialized, ATDT is > delivered, the connection is made, but pppd times out after 30 seconds. > Error message of 'Timeout expired while waiting for ppp interface to come > up." > > The rpm for pppd v. 2.4.1 is loaded, but pppd doesn't seem to be coming up > after the connection is made. > > Error logs look like this: > > Error messages from first internet connection attempt: > > Mar 17 17:38:40 lintom pppd[10086]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 > Mar 17 17:38:40 lintom pppd[10086]: Using interface ppp0 > Mar 17 17:38:40 lintom pppd[10086]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1 > Mar 17 17:39:10 lintom pppd[10086]: Terminating on signal 15. > Mar 17 17:39:16 lintom pppd[10086]: Connection terminated. > Mar 17 17:39:16 lintom pppd[10086]: Exit. > > > Error messages from second internet connection attempt: > > Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 > Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: using channel 4 > Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: Using interface ppp0 > Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1 > Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 > ] > Mar 17 17:44:34 lintom pppd[10173]: Terminating on signal 15. > Mar 17 17:44:34 lintom pppd[10173]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "User request"] > Mar 17 17:44:37 lintom pppd[10173]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x3 "User request"] > Mar 17 17:44:40 lintom pppd[10173]: Connection terminated. > Mar 17 17:44:40 lintom pppd[10173]: Exit. > > What's preventing pppd from coming up?? > > TIA, > > tomd Looks like maybe it's coming up and then a username needs to be sent, do you have that set up? -------- 24 Tecate's a night will not give you a headache, 2 Corona's will, if you follow them with a quart of Tequila and the pickled worm in the bottom. From jeff@jhenshaw.com Tue Mar 19 21:31:25 2002 Received: from sub24-226.member.dsl-only.net ([63.105.24.226] helo=mail.jhenshaw.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nYh3-0001W7-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:31:25 -0800 Received: from jhenshaw.com (oem [192.168.0.4]) by mail.jhenshaw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE98F11F3 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:34:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C981F32.1050905@jhenshaw.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:33:38 -0800 From: "J.A. Henshaw" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010913 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Networks and NIC cards... References: <000001c1cfc5$b80dbea0$6f00000a@mshome.net> <200203200626.g2K6QjL29532@clueserver.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1352 Lines: 44 Alan wrote: > On Tuesday 19 March 2002 20:14, Philip Wren wrote: > >>Hello once again, >> >> I am setting up a small cluster that is attached to my home >>network so that I can login for school and other places to work on the >>small cluster. I have configured both nic card so that the server for >>the cluster sees them both but now I am wondering about good places to >>read about the (and bear with me, I am a newbie) the 'bind'ing of >>services and routing of requests so that they go to the proper places. >> >> I have a Windows machine as my internet gateway with the >>cluster behind the server to the cluster if that is relevant. >> > > Take a look at "FloppyFW" via Freshmeat.net. It has the instructions for > setting up a gateway without having to use the flakey MS Gateway code. > > Or you can build your own using "Linux Firewalls" by Robert L. Ziegler. (New > Riders Press) He has examples on his web site. > I was just burning an ISO of Mandrake's SNF ( Single Network Firewall ) to see how well it does the same. Anyone else played with it yet? P.S. Yes, I wrote burning an ISO! Anyone know where the button is that prevents software from making an ISO on your disk into an ISO on your CD? ARRRGH!! Anyone need a few coasters? ;) --- This is your brain.... This is your brain on microsoft... From seniorr@aracnet.com Tue Mar 19 21:41:35 2002 Received: from bonneville.tdb.com ([216.99.214.10] helo=coulee.tdb.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nYqt-0001dC-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:41:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 20003 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Mar 2002 05:41:37 -0000 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] kernel 2.4.5 and es1371 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419194930.009fd230@mail.attbi.com> <20020320041324.GA19286@javalinux.net> From: Russell Senior Date: 19 Mar 2002 21:41:37 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20020320041324.GA19286@javalinux.net> Message-ID: <86elif23u6.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 594 Lines: 14 >>>>> "Nathan" == Nathan Meyers writes: Nathan> You'll need to save your ".config" file before "make Nathan> mrproper", then restore it and run "make config" (or xconfig Nathan> or menuconfig) [...] ... or "make oldconfig", which will just ask you questions about the new options. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From pluglist@bratgrrl.com Tue Mar 19 21:55:11 2002 Received: from callisto.affordablehost.com ([64.23.37.14]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nZ43-0001kb-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:55:11 -0800 Received: (qmail 7039 invoked by uid 509); 20 Mar 2002 05:55:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20020320055510.27916.qmail@callisto.affordablehost.com> References: <000001c1cfc5$b80dbea0$6f00000a@mshome.net> <200203200626.g2K6QjL29532@clueserver.org> <3C981F32.1050905@jhenshaw.com> In-Reply-To: <3C981F32.1050905@jhenshaw.com> From: "Carla Schroder" To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 05:55:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] Re: Networks and NIC cards... Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 790 Lines: 26 sayeth Jeff Henshaw: > I was just burning an ISO of Mandrake's SNF ( Single Network Firewall ) to > see how well it does the same. > > Anyone else played with it yet? > > P.S. Yes, I wrote burning an ISO! Anyone know where the button is that > prevents software from making an ISO on your disk into an ISO on your CD? > ARRRGH!! > Anyone need a few coasters? > > ;) Been there, done that. Your CD software should have a "create disk from ISO image" setting somewheres. Just copying won't do it. I understand the disks are good to hang in fruit trees, to scare away birds. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carla Schroder, Bratgrrl Computing Plain English Spoken Here www.bratgrrl.com This message brought to you by SqWebMail and qmail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jeff@jhenshaw.com Tue Mar 19 22:06:59 2002 Received: from sub24-226.member.dsl-only.net ([63.105.24.226] helo=mail.jhenshaw.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nZFT-0001rq-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:06:59 -0800 Received: from jhenshaw.com (oem [192.168.0.4]) by mail.jhenshaw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599B111F3 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:09:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C982789.5090100@jhenshaw.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:09:13 -0800 From: "J.A. Henshaw" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010913 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: Networks and NIC cards... References: <000001c1cfc5$b80dbea0$6f00000a@mshome.net> <200203200626.g2K6QjL29532@clueserver.org> <3C981F32.1050905@jhenshaw.com> <20020320055510.27916.qmail@callisto.affordablehost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1034 Lines: 35 Carla Schroder wrote: > sayeth Jeff Henshaw: > >> I was just burning an ISO of Mandrake's SNF ( Single Network Firewall >> ) to see how well it does the same. >> Anyone else played with it yet? >> P.S. Yes, I wrote burning an ISO! Anyone know where the button is >> that prevents software from making an ISO on your disk into an ISO on >> your CD? >> ARRRGH!! >> Anyone need a few coasters? >> ;) > > > Been there, done that. Your CD software should have a "create disk from > ISO image" setting somewheres. Just copying won't do it. I understand > the disks are good to hang in fruit trees, to scare away birds. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Carla Schroder, Bratgrrl Computing > Plain English Spoken Here > www.bratgrrl.com > This message brought to you > by SqWebMail and qmail > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Well of course when I use a CDRW I find the right options ;) As soon as I get cocky and write to a CDR I make another coaster! I'm using Nero in Win2K.. maybe that's my basic problem ;) From sandbox@pacifier.com Tue Mar 19 22:20:48 2002 Received: from [199.2.117.154] (helo=asteroid.pacifier.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nZSq-0001zo-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:20:48 -0800 Received: from pacifier.com (dsl1.usw-1-224.pacifier.com [207.202.224.1]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2K6KkC23936 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:20:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C982A1F.1070206@pacifier.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:20:15 -0800 From: Kyle Accardi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2.1) Gecko/20010901 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: Networks and NIC cards... References: <000001c1cfc5$b80dbea0$6f00000a@mshome.net> <200203200626.g2K6QjL29532@clueserver.org> <3C981F32.1050905@jhenshaw.com> <20020320055510.27916.qmail@callisto.affordablehost.com> <3C982789.5090100@jhenshaw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 340 Lines: 14 J.A. Henshaw wrote: > I'm using Nero in Win2K.. maybe that's my basic problem ;) Rome wasn't burned in a day. If OSS had been around life might be alot different. -- Kyle Accardi who is not being serious because he is so happy he finally machined the new shower handle enough to fit the valve that should have fit out of the box. From nmeyers@javalinux.net Tue Mar 19 22:34:32 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com ([204.127.198.39]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nZg7-00026q-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:34:31 -0800 Received: from turing.home.network ([12.224.156.137]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320063401.VWVP2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@turing.home.network> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:34:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turing.home.network (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDF911875 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by turing.home.network (Postfix, from userid 501) id 8224811874; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:33:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:33:57 -0800 From: Nathan Meyers To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Re: Networks and NIC cards... Message-ID: <20020320063357.GA21452@javalinux.net> References: <000001c1cfc5$b80dbea0$6f00000a@mshome.net> <200203200626.g2K6QjL29532@clueserver.org> <3C981F32.1050905@jhenshaw.com> <20020320055510.27916.qmail@callisto.affordablehost.com> <3C982789.5090100@jhenshaw.com> <3C982A1F.1070206@pacifier.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C982A1F.1070206@pacifier.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 561 Lines: 20 On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 10:20:15PM -0800, Kyle Accardi wrote: > J.A. Henshaw wrote: > > > >I'm using Nero in Win2K.. maybe that's my basic problem ;) > > Rome wasn't burned in a day. If OSS had been around life might be alot > different. I believe the correct expression is "ROM wasn't burned in a day." > Kyle Accardi > who is not being serious because he is so happy he finally machined the > new shower handle enough to fit the valve that should have fit out of the > box. Nathan Meyers who also performed a successful plumbing repair this week From greg@gregory.myftp.org Tue Mar 19 22:53:26 2002 Received: from ts46-01-qdr42.kfalls.or.charter.com ([66.190.240.42] helo=gregory.myftp.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nZyP-0002HZ-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:53:25 -0800 Received: from (192.168.1.1 [192.168.1.1]) by MailEnable Inbound Mail Agent with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:53:16 -08:00 Message-ID: <3C9831DD.8050002@gregory.myftp.org> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:53:17 -0800 From: Greg Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2.1) Gecko/20010901 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PLUG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] ATI Radeon Mobility XFree86 usage reports? Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: linux@gregory.myftp.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 355 Lines: 13 Any user reports? I'm leaning towards the IBM Thinkpad A30 for my dual boot (Win/Linux) delights....it looks like the ATI Radeon Mobility is a decent GPU (I will be doing some work on the www.flightgear.org project) and supports OpenGL. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with this GPU and would like to share their experiences. Greg From alan@clueserver.org Tue Mar 19 23:45:18 2002 Received: from 216-99-213-120.dsl.aracnet.com ([216.99.213.120] helo=clueserver.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16namb-0002eB-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:45:17 -0800 Received: from there (summanulla.clueserver.org [10.6.6.5]) by clueserver.org (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id g2K92dL30232 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:02:40 -0800 Message-Id: <200203200902.g2K92dL30232@clueserver.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Alan To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Networks and NIC cards... Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:24:57 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <000001c1cfc5$b80dbea0$6f00000a@mshome.net> <200203200626.g2K6QjL29532@clueserver.org> <3C981F32.1050905@jhenshaw.com> In-Reply-To: <3C981F32.1050905@jhenshaw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: alan@clueserver.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 308 Lines: 10 On Tuesday 19 March 2002 21:33, you wrote: > I was just burning an ISO of Mandrake's SNF ( Single Network > Firewall ) to see how well it does the same. > > Anyone else played with it yet? It did not like the machine I tried putting in\t on. For some odd reason it did not want to use both processors... From revans@e-z.net Tue Mar 19 23:47:42 2002 Received: from 12-225-208-21.client.attbi.com ([12.225.208.21] helo=revans.dyn.dhs.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16naow-0002fv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:47:42 -0800 Received: (qmail 6423 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 07:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO downtown) (10.0.0.10) by 10.0.0.10 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 07:38:57 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Russell Evans" To: "plug" X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.6 On linux/mysql Date: 19 Mar 2002 23:38:55 PST Message-Id: Subject: [PLUG] USB 2.0 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: "Russell Evans" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1949 Lines: 42 I bought an USB 2.0 enclosure from Fry's for ~$70, Seems to be a Foster ME-320, a noname. This is the only web page that has pictures. http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/hotline/20011020/ni_i_dd.html The rest of the sites google turned up were also Asian. I also purchased an IOGear USB 2.0/FireWire PCI card, http://www.iogear.com/products/product.php?Item=GUF220 for another ~$70. I have a 24x10x40 IDE CDRW bought from CostCo last year, installed in the enclosure. This opened up the 5.25 drive bay so that I could install a $14 hard drive enclosure, http://www.enuinc.com/Other.html. I had to patch a 2.4.18 kernel with the 2.4.19-pre3 patch to get EHCI HCD USB 2.0 support. This was done on top of the preempt-kernel-rml-2.4.18-2 patch, http://kpreempt.sourceforge.net/. Compiling with the hardware support built in, no modules, for my box was not problematic. To give some idea of the performance; I tested using dd_rescue, http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ , to make an iso of a CDROM. Plugged into the USB 2.0 card dd_rescue: (info): ipos: 663106.0k, opos: 663106.0k, xferd: 663106.0k errs: 4, errxfer: 2.0k, succxfer: 663104.0k +curr.rate: 2066kB/s, avg.rate: 3180kB/s, avg.load: 3.4% Plugged into the motherboards USB ports, http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/01q3/010924/sis735-04.html dd_rescue: (info): ipos: 663106.0k, opos: 663106.0k, xferd: 663106.0k errs: 4, errxfer: 2.0k, succxfer: 663104.0k +curr.rate: 1908kB/s, avg.rate: 904kB/s, avg.load: 0.7% The only issue to this setup is that booting from USB CDROM doesn't work with the enclosure. Has anyone been successful in booting a motherboard from a USB device? The reason for doing USB instead of spending $99 for a firewire enclosure was to also be able to boot. Had I know that booting wasn't an option, I would have spent the other $20 and got firewire. Thank you Russell From jeme@brelin.net Tue Mar 19 23:55:48 2002 Received: from shaft.bitmine.net ([216.231.58.163]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nawl-0002mr-00 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:55:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (jbrelin@localhost) by shaft.bitmine.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA31916 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:56:02 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:56:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jeme A Brelin X-Sender: jbrelin@shaft.bitmine.net To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] fair use? (was Revolution OS) In-Reply-To: <3C8FE49F00005A4B@mta07.san.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 2055 Lines: 55 On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Dylan Reinhardt wrote: > > David Boies (chief prosecutor in the Microsoft case > > and Napster chief legal council) agrees with me. > > I have no idea what Boies believes, but what you're arguing is not the > case he made in court. He didn't bring his full argument to court. The court only heard arguments against the preliminary injunction. Only the issue of immediate harm was addressed. The case never actually went to trial. > > His primary argument in the Napster case > > is that ALL non-commercial copying is legal. > > It was nothing of the sort. I'm having trouble finding the full brief online at the moment, but I refer you to at least this press release from Napster, Inc. which contains the following: 'the non-commercial sharing of music is "common, legal and accepted,"' The quoted wording is from Boies brief. > The bulk of MP3 trading is still illegal and Napster has never (to my > knowledge) claimed otherwise. Your knowledge is limited (as is mine) and you'll find that Napster's legal firm stated clearly on several occassions that their intent was to show that ALL non-commercial copying is legal and, further, that the RIAA's "copyright pooling" amounted to an illegal cartel and an abuse of copyright; the only legal remedy of which is stripping the involved parties of ALL copyrights. And Boies had a damned good case. Given a judge not beholden to corporate or political interests (almost impossible to find these days), the Napster case could well have seen all recorded work administered by the RIAA pushed immediately into the public domain. > I'd welcome the opportunity to discuss this with you further, but we > probably shouldn't clog the list with our discussion. Feel free to > write me directly if you'd like: dylan@dylanreinhardt.com Why don't we take it to plug-talk? J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From jeff@jhenshaw.com Wed Mar 20 00:09:33 2002 Received: from sub24-226.member.dsl-only.net ([63.105.24.226] helo=mail.jhenshaw.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nbA5-0002uP-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:09:33 -0800 Received: from jhenshaw.com (oem [192.168.0.4]) by mail.jhenshaw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DAB011F3 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:12:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C984444.4050309@jhenshaw.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:11:48 -0800 From: "J.A. Henshaw" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010913 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Networks and NIC cards... References: <000001c1cfc5$b80dbea0$6f00000a@mshome.net> <200203200626.g2K6QjL29532@clueserver.org> <3C981F32.1050905@jhenshaw.com> <200203200902.g2K92dL30232@clueserver.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 454 Lines: 27 Alan wrote: > On Tuesday 19 March 2002 21:33, you wrote: > > >>I was just burning an ISO of Mandrake's SNF ( Single Network >>Firewall ) to see how well it does the same. >> >>Anyone else played with it yet? >> > > It did not like the machine I tried putting in\t on. For some odd reason it > did not want to use both processors... > > Maybe it was trying to tell you that's overkill for a firewall? ;) Did it work besides not using both? From dylan@dylanreinhardt.com Wed Mar 20 00:16:42 2002 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nbH0-00030Q-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:16:42 -0800 Received: from [66.149.127.213] by mail.san.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:16:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:16:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3C8FE49F00005B67@mta07.san.yahoo.com> From: "Dylan Reinhardt" Subject: Re: [PLUG] fair use? (was Revolution OS) To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: plug@dylanreinhardt.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 97 Lines: 8 > Why don't we take it to plug-talk? >J. You're on. I'll sign up & post my response there. From pem@nellump.com Wed Mar 20 00:52:05 2002 Received: from host-253-154.ras.pdx.edu ([131.252.253.154] helo=nellump.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nbpD-0003Gn-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:52:04 -0800 Received: (from pem@localhost) by nellump.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2K5ogY12850 for plug@lists.pdxlinux.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:50:42 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:50:41 -0800 From: Paul Mullen To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Revolution OS Message-ID: <20020319215041.A12839@nellump.com> References: <3C979946.9010905@wirex.com> <200203192132.g2JLWHL26508@clueserver.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200203192132.g2JLWHL26508@clueserver.org>; from alan@clueserver.org on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 10:54:38AM -0800 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 330 Lines: 11 On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 10:54:38AM -0800, Alan wrote: > > Another option would be the Clinton Street Theatre. Cinema 21 has their Yet another possibility is the PSU theater on 5th and Hall (?). It's used for lectures during the day, and shows films most Friday and Saturday evenings. Otherwise, it seems pretty empty. Paul From seniorr@aracnet.com Wed Mar 20 00:58:33 2002 Received: from bonneville.tdb.com ([216.99.214.10] helo=coulee.tdb.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nbvV-0003Lo-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:58:33 -0800 Received: (qmail 20098 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Mar 2002 08:58:35 -0000 To: plug@pdxlinux.org From: Russell Senior Date: 20 Mar 2002 00:58:35 -0800 Message-ID: <86g02vy5s4.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [PLUG] Advanced Topics Meeting tonight??? Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 445 Lines: 10 I haven't seen an announcement that it is on or off. I know there was a question of speaker circa the regular monthly meeting. Was that resolved or ... not? -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From seniorr@aracnet.com Wed Mar 20 01:02:40 2002 Received: from bonneville.tdb.com ([216.99.214.10] helo=coulee.tdb.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nbzT-0003Pg-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:02:40 -0800 Received: (qmail 20111 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Mar 2002 09:02:41 -0000 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Revolution OS References: <3C979946.9010905@wirex.com> <200203192132.g2JLWHL26508@clueserver.org> <20020319215041.A12839@nellump.com> From: Russell Senior Date: 20 Mar 2002 01:02:41 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20020319215041.A12839@nellump.com> Message-ID: <86bsdjy5la.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 627 Lines: 15 >>>>> "Paul" == Paul Mullen writes: Paul> Yet another possibility is the PSU theater on 5th and Hall Paul> (?). It's used for lectures during the day, and shows films most Paul> Friday and Saturday evenings. Otherwise, it seems pretty empty. I have emails in to the distributor and the Hollywood. Heard squat back yet. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From steve@wirex.net Wed Mar 20 01:45:51 2002 Received: from dsl-208-151-246-43.easystreet.com ([208.151.246.43] helo=kryten.int.wirex.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16ncfH-0003om-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:45:51 -0800 Received: (from steve@localhost) by kryten.int.wirex.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id g2KA2An10780 for plug@lists.pdxlinux.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 02:02:10 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 02:02:09 -0800 From: Steve Beattie To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] fair use? (was Revolution OS) Message-ID: <20020320100208.GA10703@wirex.net> References: <3C8FE49F00005B67@mta07.san.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jI8keyz6grp/JLjh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C8FE49F00005B67@mta07.san.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Organization: WireX Communications, Inc. X-Face: "1~xOFm~DYTOI([HBN^1#l_'KM2Aq#q4BcQ|[SeJArfT]p;Ozwul/kxlDq/WS{&;pznorY|}j?&8W+2\a'v1OmD4|B_7vbg?O,/"6YsK7`&o]+@],`sa87$RC#A&fA*%X`ZZ.x{g~>OFe'nx`}>)m/\x*5zPUOKY\-u]XI$j4ptk8}G"5zFi?,Qsjj&(XRH.kZ=yo{suM4o|1oN9*_h,ot,klBS X-Paranoia: Greetings CIA, FBI, MI5, NSA, ATF, Immigration! X-Message-Flag: Repeal the DMCA! Real security is only possible when subject to open critical review. X-PGP-Key: http://www.NxNW.org/~steve/3B986AF3.asc Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1183 Lines: 38 --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 12:16:36AM -0800, Dylan Reinhardt wrote: > > Why don't we take it to plug-talk? > >J. >=20 > You're on. I'll sign up & post my response there. Actually, you may get a more informed debate if instead of taking it to plug-talk, you take the discussion to Ruben Safir's NY Fair Use list: , for mail list information.=20 -- Steve Beattie Don't trust programmers?=20 Complete StackGuard distro at http://NxNW.org/~steve/ immunix.org http://www.personaltelco.net -- overthrowing QWest, one block at a time. --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8mF4fquBH+DuYavMRAu2iAJ0QcqYogjygThOQf1y/WpVBe6EQbwCgsZzy M33Z6atCn6K2GIXC5jY5Sxk= =w3C4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh-- From rasmussenm@columbiafunds.com Wed Mar 20 07:10:51 2002 Received: from mail.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.135] helo=microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nhjn-0006Rz-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:10:51 -0800 Received: from cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com (mail1.columbiafunds.com [209.162.223.70]) by microsharp.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g2KFD2j04891 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:13:02 -0800 Received: from 10.1.0.61 by cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7)); Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:10:13 -0800 X-Server-Uuid: f8bf8a56-859d-11d3-a23d-00805f2535ba Received: by cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:10:13 -0800 Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463A97A@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> From: "Michael Rasmussen" To: plug@pdxlinux.org Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:10:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 108679DF42136-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] Advanced Topics Meeting Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1274 Lines: 23 This is my take on what is up. The meeting is in a bit of a flux. We'd talked about inviting Randal to speak without actually asking him - until late last week. That left him without enough time to prepare something. What Randal is ready to do is take on all comers in . . . Language Smackdown. Bring whatever you have in any language (Lisp, Python, ...) and challenge Randal to do better in Perl. Otherwise we'll discuss fair use, ssh, and whatever advanced topics we can come up with in a round table format. -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm@columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From launi@zaramyth.net Wed Mar 20 08:19:53 2002 Received: from 216-99-199-104.cust.aracnet.com ([216.99.199.104] helo=zulu.launi.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16niob-000717-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:19:53 -0800 Received: from zaramyth.net (www.gacenterprises.com [216.99.199.109]) by zulu.launi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024AA1CC620 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:19:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C98B6A7.3060703@zaramyth.net> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:19:51 -0800 From: Lonnie Wormley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010914 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PLUG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PLUG] Mozzilla filters Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 765 Lines: 21 I had to switch from Kmail to Mozzilla 0.9.4 because Kmail started crashing. I have a habil of storing too much mail. Anyway I've been trying to figure out how to manually apply filters. The only way that there will work is on new mail. I've been searching I have IMAP set up and I'm filtering mail into folders on my srever. I read the mail using Mozilla on my laptop. I like Mozzilla and their web site seems to be for developers only. Where is the documentation? How do you manually apply filters? -- ____________________________________________ Lonnie Wormley launi@zaramyth.net [Linux and Java] lonnie@launi.com [Window$ and graphics] http://www.launi.com http://www.zaramyth.net ____________________________________________ From phsharp@attbi.com Wed Mar 20 09:00:46 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com ([204.127.198.38]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16njSA-0007Ma-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:00:46 -0800 Received: from paulserver ([12.224.241.204]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020320170015.MATE2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@paulserver> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:00:15 +0000 Message-ID: <082f01c1d030$d17fb620$0300a8c0@paulserver> From: "Paul Sharp" To: References: <000c01c1cfce$2d7c0680$0300a8c0@wintom> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Simple external modem configuration Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:01:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 2574 Lines: 83 Hi Tom, I remember you from PCC CIS240L! I have not had any experience with serial connection, but the man page for pppd says that error 15 is because the peer is not responding to echo requests. This suggests that in fact pppd is working ok but that you might have an actual modem configuration problem. The man page for pppd is quite extensive. Hope this helps Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dana" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: [PLUG] Simple external modem configuration > tomd here: > > quick newbie kind of question. > > running mandrake 8.1 > > adding an external modem SmartLink 5634TS to serial port 1. > CMOS has serial port set to COM 2. > /dev/modem is pointing to ttyS1. OK so far. > > While trying to make a dial-up connection, modem gets initialized, ATDT is > delivered, the connection is made, but pppd times out after 30 seconds. > Error message of 'Timeout expired while waiting for ppp interface to come > up." > > The rpm for pppd v. 2.4.1 is loaded, but pppd doesn't seem to be coming up > after the connection is made. > > Error logs look like this: > > Error messages from first internet connection attempt: > > Mar 17 17:38:40 lintom pppd[10086]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 > Mar 17 17:38:40 lintom pppd[10086]: Using interface ppp0 > Mar 17 17:38:40 lintom pppd[10086]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1 > Mar 17 17:39:10 lintom pppd[10086]: Terminating on signal 15. > Mar 17 17:39:16 lintom pppd[10086]: Connection terminated. > Mar 17 17:39:16 lintom pppd[10086]: Exit. > > > Error messages from second internet connection attempt: > > Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 > Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: using channel 4 > Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: Using interface ppp0 > Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1 > Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 > ] > Mar 17 17:44:34 lintom pppd[10173]: Terminating on signal 15. > Mar 17 17:44:34 lintom pppd[10173]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "User request"] > Mar 17 17:44:37 lintom pppd[10173]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x3 "User request"] > Mar 17 17:44:40 lintom pppd[10173]: Connection terminated. > Mar 17 17:44:40 lintom pppd[10173]: Exit. > > What's preventing pppd from coming up?? > > TIA, > > tomd > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From longman@sharplabs.com Wed Mar 20 09:12:57 2002 Received: from keymaster.sharplabs.com ([216.65.151.107] helo=sharplabs.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16njdx-0007Ua-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:12:57 -0800 Received: from admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com (admsrvnt02 [172.29.225.253]) by sharplabs.com (8.9.1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA15328 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:12:34 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Longman, Bill" To: "'plug@lists.pdxlinux.org'" Subject: RE: [PLUG] RedHat 7.1 network card Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:12:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D032.6D1D6630" Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 6655 Lines: 184 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D032.6D1D6630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If the NICs use the same driver, you'll need to compile module into the kernel, if you're running <2.4. -----Original Message----- From: Philip Wren [mailto:pcwren@email.msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 6:35 PM To: Owner-Plug Subject: [PLUG] RedHat 7.1 network card Hello again, I posted earlier about adding a second network card to my Compaq 4000. I was reading at RedHat.com and saw that the auto detect only looks at the first nic card that it finds. I have found that the drivers are present and I have added it to the modules.conf file but I must be missing something about the card installation to get it to work. Does anyone have places I should look for all the steps for installing a second nic card? I have been trying to read the RedHat site documentation but have gotten very little from it so far. Thanks in advance for any help you have... :-) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D032.6D1D6630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If the=20 NICs use the same driver, you'll need to compile module into the = kernel, if=20 you're running <2.4.
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From: Philip Wren=20 [mailto:pcwren@email.msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 = 6:35=20 PM
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Subject: [PLUG] RedHat 7.1 = network=20 card

Hello=20 again,

 

           =20 I posted earlier about adding a second network card to my = Compaq 4000.=20 I was reading at RedHat.com and saw that the auto = detect only looks at the first nic card that it finds. I have = found=20 that the drivers are present and I have added it to the modules.conf = file but=20 I must be missing something about the card installation to get it to = work.=20 Does anyone have places I should look for all the steps for = installing a=20 second nic card? I have been trying to read the RedHat site = documentation but=20 have gotten very little from it so far. Thanks in advance for any = help you=20 have… J

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D032.6D1D6630-- From karlheg@microsharp.com Wed Mar 20 09:40:32 2002 Received: from asl.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.132] helo=juniper.intra.microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nk4e-0007o9-00; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:40:32 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (karlheg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g2KHeWXZ018628; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:40:32 -0800 Received: (from karlheg@localhost) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) id g2KHeV7t018624; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:40:31 -0800 To: plug-crypto@lists.pdxlinux.org Mail-Follup-To: plug-crypto@lists.pdxlinux.org References: <3C9798E5.2050909@microsharp.com> <200203192130.g2JLUDL26482@clueserver.org> X-Face: 1v=v?=]<7%cW&OL:Z"GCcdmIN&wp)w|1EKzyC6?qaX;55wwjPfKTm\'7x-gd+KEd`(o&(EQ%(B4]6sZ$|e_FBGTJOvJtHUM>flSNQqfdw.jYZ$jnCERoAX*{4lEJm?EB#V_<2\-#5%#Du/ExQR)juedX>!Cq#;UoAo?|Oo~BX@!fwIX From: karlheg@microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) In-Reply-To: <200203192130.g2JLUDL26482@clueserver.org> Date: 20 Mar 2002 09:40:31 -0800 Message-ID: <87elifm92o.fsf_-_@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [PLUG] Encrypted loopback device?, CFS (Re: Cryptographic filesystem?) Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1815 Lines: 51 [ Moved to plug-crypto PLEASE] >>>>> "alan" == alan writes: [WRT: latest Mandrake advertises cryptographic filesystem support, Karl has asked how they implemented that, and mentions that Debian has shipped CFS for ages.] alan> I believe they are using the loopback crypto stuff. Uhmm... so it's just a "loop" file block device on a kernel that has the crypto patch and "losetup" is run to insert a crypto layer? alan> CFS has the unfortunate problem of having name conflicts alan> with portions of ssh. Do you mean binary file name conflicts? I wonder how the Debian package deals with that? I imagine they've renamed some of the binaries, unless it is logical to either offer alternatives (via "update-alternatives") or divert the SSH version (via "dpkg-divert" calls in postinst and prerm). karlheg> Does the installer offer that, or is it an add on package karlheg> you select later? How do they present it to you? alan> Probably an option when you lay out the file systems alan> initially. I have not seen an option to "upgrade" to it on alan> upgrade. Hmmm. So they put the looped files into one of the other filesystems, or can you mount a partition with the encryption? Can you put a loopback device into "/etc/fstab"? How? Can anyone provide an example? When do you type the passphrase? What about a machine that must boot standalone? Are the crypto filesystems for users, or only system wide? alan> BTW, SuSE has had an encrypted filesystem option for a alan> while. Ok, so how do they do it? Is anyone actually using it? -- mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://www.microsharp.com phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 From craighead.scot@vectorscm.com Wed Mar 20 09:57:28 2002 Received: from mailhost.cnf.com ([63.230.177.14] helo=ljcqs016.cnf.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nkL2-00080F-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:57:28 -0800 Received: from cnfqs041.cnf.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ljcqs016.cnf.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17873 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by cnfqs041.cnf.prod.cnf.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:55:26 -0800 Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA64F@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> From: "Craighead, Scot D" To: "'plug@lists.pdxlinux.org'" Subject: RE: [PLUG] fair use? (was Revolution OS) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:56:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D038.A203F980" Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1984 Lines: 57 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D038.A203F980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thus spoke Jeme: >I read the statute very differently. > >David Boies (chief prosecutor in the Microsoft case and Napster chief >legal council) agrees with me. His primary argument in the Napster case >is that ALL non-commercial copying is legal. This argument is probably >the main reason Napster was bought out and the case will never make it >to trial. But didn't Napster pretty much lose? I thought that they were given a list of songs that were not to be shared and had to comply. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D038.A203F980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [PLUG] fair use? (was Revolution OS)

Thus spoke Jeme:
>I read the statute very differently.
>
>David Boies (chief prosecutor in the Microsoft = case and Napster chief
>legal council) agrees with me.  His primary = argument in the Napster case
>is that ALL non-commercial copying is = legal.  This argument is probably
>the main reason Napster was bought out and the = case will never make it
>to trial.

But didn't Napster pretty much lose?  I thought = that they were given a list of songs that were not to be shared and had = to comply.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D038.A203F980-- From rddunlap@osdl.org Wed Mar 20 10:09:21 2002 Received: from air-2.osdl.org ([65.201.151.6] helo=mail.osdl.org) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nkWW-00088o-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:09:21 -0800 Received: from dragon.pdx.osdl.net (dragon.pdx.osdl.net [172.20.1.27]) by mail.osdl.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2KI9JR01723 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:09:19 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:08:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Randy.Dunlap" X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [PLUG] USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1629 Lines: 40 On 19 Mar 2002, Russell Evans wrote: | To give some idea of the performance; I tested using dd_rescue, | http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ , to make an iso of a CDROM. | | Plugged into the USB 2.0 card | dd_rescue: (info): ipos: 663106.0k, opos: 663106.0k, xferd: 663106.0k | errs: 4, errxfer: 2.0k, succxfer: 663104.0k | +curr.rate: 2066kB/s, avg.rate: 3180kB/s, avg.load: 3.4% | | | Plugged into the motherboards USB ports, | http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/01q3/010924/sis735-04.html | dd_rescue: (info): ipos: 663106.0k, opos: 663106.0k, xferd: 663106.0k | errs: 4, errxfer: 2.0k, succxfer: 663104.0k | +curr.rate: 1908kB/s, avg.rate: 904kB/s, avg.load: 0.7% | | | The only issue to this setup is that booting from USB CDROM doesn't work with | the enclosure. Has anyone been successful in booting a motherboard from a USB | device? The reason for doing USB instead of spending $99 for a firewire | enclosure was to also be able to boot. Had I know that booting wasn't an | option, I would have spent the other $20 and got firewire. There have been a couple patches for USB disk booting. See http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-usb-users&m=100408963708374&w=2 for one of them. A small delay is needed for USB bus/devices to be found. Hopefully one of them will make it into the kernel... Also, there is work in progress on USB disk packet streaming, to improve disk IO performance. It doesn't change USB 1.1 device performance very much, but it helps lots with USB 2.0 devices. [not sending to both plug lists :] -- ~Randy From karlheg@microsharp.com Wed Mar 20 10:20:02 2002 Received: from asl.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.132] helo=juniper.intra.microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nkgs-0008H7-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:20:02 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (karlheg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g2KIK1XZ021318; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:20:01 -0800 Received: (from karlheg@localhost) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) id g2KIK1Ie021314; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:20:01 -0800 To: Russ Gilman-Hunt Cc: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419194930.009fd230@mail.attbi.com> X-Face: 1v=v?=]<7%cW&OL:Z"GCcdmIN&wp)w|1EKzyC6?qaX;55wwjPfKTm\'7x-gd+KEd`(o&(EQ%(B4]6sZ$|e_FBGTJOvJtHUM>flSNQqfdw.jYZ$jnCERoAX*{4lEJm?EB#V_<2\-#5%#Du/ExQR)juedX>!Cq#;UoAo?|Oo~BX@!fwIX From: karlheg@microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419194930.009fd230@mail.attbi.com> Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:20:01 -0800 Message-ID: <87pu1zksoe.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [PLUG] ALSA (Re: kernel 2.4.5 and es1371) Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 3549 Lines: 82 >>>>> "Russ" == Russ Gilman-Hunt writes: Russ> I purchased a es1371 to work with my linux computer [...] I've got Soundblaster PCI-128 cards in both of my machines, and they have the Ensonic 1371 chipset. I use the ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) drivers, and that works very well. Perhaps you can either download and install a binary set that matches your running kernel, or build a set of your own? They are available from the ALSA website and from their CVS, or ... On a recent Debian GNU/Linux system, you can use "apt-get" to grab the latest kernel source, any kernel-patch packages you would like to apply, the "kernel-package" build system, "fakeroot", and the "alsa-source" package. When you install the "alsa-source" package, "debconf" should ask several questions about how to configure the source. It will ask which drivers to build, whether you want plug-n-play, and if you want debugging turned on or not. You can at any time, as root, run "dpkg-reconfigure -plow alsa-source" to reconfigure it. Become root, run "adduser src", then "cd /usr/src" and "chown root:src -R modules && chmod g+ws -R modules". ("/usr/src" itself should already be set that way... perhaps it's a bug that "/usr/src/modules" is not owned by root:src?) You then log in fresh, as yourself, NOT AS ROOT, "cd /usr/src", then unpack both the kernel-source tarball and the "alsa-source" tarball, while standing in "/usr/src". The kernel-source will create a directory named "kernel-source-${KVER}" and the alsa-source will unpack in a version name suffixed subdirectory of "./modules". "cd kernel-source-${KVER}", and then "cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) \ .config", then apply any patches you want, either by hand, or by running the script in "../kernel-patches/(all|${ARCH})/apply/\ ${patchname}". After that, run "make menuconfig" or "make xconfig", and check the kernel configuration. Now you can run: (Optional args in customary square brackets) % fakeroot make-kpkg [--revision 1] --append-to-version '-' \ [--initrd] clean It will probably prompt you with a message at this point... You should read it to know why it stopped, then continue. Always clean after reconfiguration for best results. Then run: % fakeroot make-kpkg [--revision 1] --append-to-version '-' \ [--initrd] kernel_image It will probably prompt again, and you should continue again. Then, finally, run: % fakeroot make-kpkg [--revision 1] --append-to-version '-' \ [--initrd] modules_image That will build you a .deb of your custom kernel, and another containing the matching "alsa-driver" modules. Become root and install them both, make certain that the "lilo" or "grub" configuration is correct, then reboot. I believe there is also "debconf" configuration of the binary driver package as well, and an init.d script that should load them for you. Make sure it's loading the "oss" compatibility modules also. If you run "devfs", you may have sound-device permission problems at first. I recommend turning on the state saving feature, and creating the "/dev-state" directory, then once and for all you can: # chown root:audio /dev/{sound,snd}/* && chmod g+w /dev/{sound,snd}/* Make sure you're in the "audio" group, and it should work fine after that. -- mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://www.microsharp.com phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 From cccs@teleport.com Wed Mar 20 10:25:50 2002 Received: from atlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.179]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nkmU-0008Ln-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:25:50 -0800 Received: from apx1-03-245.pdx.du.teleport.com ([216.26.62.245] helo=there) by atlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16nkmS-0002hV-00 for plug@lists.pdxlinux.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:25:49 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Rick Konold To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Simple external modem configuration Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:18:25 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <000c01c1cfce$2d7c0680$0300a8c0@wintom> <082f01c1d030$d17fb620$0300a8c0@paulserver> In-Reply-To: <082f01c1d030$d17fb620$0300a8c0@paulserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: cccs@teleport.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 3503 Lines: 103 I am not sure if this is relevent, as your description of the serial port settings was not real clear. However serial port 1 is normally comm1 and serial port 2 is normally comm2. These should correspond to ttys0 (Comm1) and ttys1 (Comm2) respectively. If you have connected to serial port 1 on the back of the machine, you should be using ttys0. Or did you change that in BIOS? If the port/tty settings are correct, you may simply have a ppp setup problem. Did you enter where to look for DNS in the setup? Rick Konold Linux Advocate On Wednesday 20 March 2002 09:01, you hammered the keyboard to write: > Hi Tom, > > I remember you from PCC CIS240L! I have not had > any experience with serial connection, but the man page > for pppd says that error 15 is because the peer is not > responding to echo requests. This suggests that in fact > pppd is working ok but that you might have an actual > modem configuration problem. The man page for pppd > is quite extensive. > > Hope this helps > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Dana" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:14 PM > Subject: [PLUG] Simple external modem configuration > > > tomd here: > > > > quick newbie kind of question. > > > > running mandrake 8.1 > > > > adding an external modem SmartLink 5634TS to serial port 1. > > CMOS has serial port set to COM 2. > > /dev/modem is pointing to ttyS1. OK so far. > > > > While trying to make a dial-up connection, modem gets initialized, ATDT > > is delivered, the connection is made, but pppd times out after 30 > > seconds. Error message of 'Timeout expired while waiting for ppp > > interface to come up." > > > > The rpm for pppd v. 2.4.1 is loaded, but pppd doesn't seem to be coming > > up after the connection is made. > > > > Error logs look like this: > > > > Error messages from first internet connection attempt: > > > > Mar 17 17:38:40 lintom pppd[10086]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 > > Mar 17 17:38:40 lintom pppd[10086]: Using interface ppp0 > > Mar 17 17:38:40 lintom pppd[10086]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1 > > Mar 17 17:39:10 lintom pppd[10086]: Terminating on signal 15. > > Mar 17 17:39:16 lintom pppd[10086]: Connection terminated. > > Mar 17 17:39:16 lintom pppd[10086]: Exit. > > > > > > Error messages from second internet connection attempt: > > > > Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 > > Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: using channel 4 > > Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: Using interface ppp0 > > Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1 > > Mar 17 17:44:04 lintom pppd[10173]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 > 0x0> > > > ] > > Mar 17 17:44:34 lintom pppd[10173]: Terminating on signal 15. > > Mar 17 17:44:34 lintom pppd[10173]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "User > > request"] > > > Mar 17 17:44:37 lintom pppd[10173]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x3 "User > > request"] > > > Mar 17 17:44:40 lintom pppd[10173]: Connection terminated. > > Mar 17 17:44:40 lintom pppd[10173]: Exit. > > > > What's preventing pppd from coming up?? > > > > TIA, > > > > tomd > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From karlheg@microsharp.com Wed Mar 20 10:30:37 2002 Received: from asl.microsharp.com ([206.190.130.132] helo=juniper.intra.microsharp.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nkr7-0008QB-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:30:37 -0800 Received: from juniper.intra.microsharp.com (karlheg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g2KIUaXZ022087; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:30:36 -0800 Received: (from karlheg@localhost) by juniper.intra.microsharp.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -2) id g2KIUaMA022083; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:30:36 -0800 To: Michael Montagne Cc: plug@pdxlinux.org Subject: update-grub(8) (Re: [PLUG] New kernel in Debian) References: <20020319200240.GA14245@boora.com> X-Face: 1v=v?=]<7%cW&OL:Z"GCcdmIN&wp)w|1EKzyC6?qaX;55wwjPfKTm\'7x-gd+KEd`(o&(EQ%(B4]6sZ$|e_FBGTJOvJtHUM>flSNQqfdw.jYZ$jnCERoAX*{4lEJm?EB#V_<2\-#5%#Du/ExQR)juedX>!Cq#;UoAo?|Oo~BX@!fwIX From: karlheg@microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) In-Reply-To: <20020319200240.GA14245@boora.com> Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:30:36 -0800 Message-ID: <87k7s7ks6r.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 2536 Lines: 61 >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Montagne writes: Michael> A Debian question if you all have a moment I'm upgrading Michael> a stock Progeny install on a PentiumII. Michael> I just ran apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.16-686. Michael> During the install I was told to include a reference to Michael> initrd in lilo.conf. Yes, it's reminding you. "man kernel-img.conf", and also grep the "initrd" stuff from the Lilo manual, IF YOU USE LILO. You could point lilo at the symlink, and turn on the "Do_Symlink" option, or... Michael> Since I'm running GRUB, this is what I added to menu.lst: Michael> title Debian GNU/Linux (kernel 2.4.16) Michael> root (hd0,1) Michael> kernel /boot/vmlinux-2.4.26-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro Michael> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.16-686 Michael> I just copied the entries that existed and substituted Michael> the names of the files that I found in /boot after Michael> apt-get was finished. Sounds reasonable... Michael> Did I do this right? Looks correct to me, but read "man update-grub", and recall from "man kernel-img.conf" the hook calls... You can have the kernel install/upgrade run "update-grub" for you if you like. IIRC, you turn off "Do_Bootloader" (iirc... rtfm), and set a hook so it runs "update-grub" during the kernel-image postinst. IIRC, you should make a backup of your "/boot/grub/menu.lst" just in case, then run "update-grub" and let it replace the old one, then edit as needed, and run it again. I have not messed with it since I installed and configured it, several kernels ago. Michael> At the end of the install there was a reference to Michael> "initrd.img not symlink..not clobbered" What does that Michael> mean? There is an actual file at "/boot/initrd.img" or at "/initrd.img" and it was smart enough to both not clobber it and to tell you about that fact. Normally the generic name "initrd.img" is a symlink pointing to the number one kernel's real "/boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r)". I don't know about you, but I always configure that system so that all of the files it keeps are under "/boot", and I remove the ones from "/" because I don't think they belong there anymore. It will work either way, depending on both how you build the kernel and how you set up "/etc/kernel-img.conf". -- mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg@microsharp.com Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://www.microsharp.com phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 From seniorr@aracnet.com Wed Mar 20 10:31:58 2002 Received: from bonneville.tdb.com ([216.99.214.10] helo=coulee.tdb.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nksQ-0008Ro-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:31:58 -0800 Received: (qmail 20460 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Mar 2002 18:32:00 -0000 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Advanced Topics Meeting References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463A97A@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> From: Russell Senior Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:32:00 -0800 In-Reply-To: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463A97A@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: <86vgbrum3j.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 858 Lines: 18 >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Rasmussen writes: Michael> This is my take on what is up. The meeting is in a bit of a Michael> flux. We'd talked about inviting Randal to speak without Michael> actually asking him - until late last week. That left him Michael> without enough time to prepare something. What Randal is Michael> ready to do is take on all comers in . . . Language Michael> Smackdown. Bring whatever you have in any language (Lisp, Michael> Python, ...) and challenge Randal to do better in Perl. Does Perl have a REPL yet? -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From greg@kroah.com Wed Mar 20 10:38:01 2002 Received: from 12-224-37-81.client.attbi.com ([12.224.37.81] helo=kroah.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nkyG-00005w-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:38:00 -0800 Received: (qmail 6323 invoked by uid 500); 20 Mar 2002 18:37:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:37:06 -0800 From: Greg KH To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] kernel 2.4.5 and es1371 Message-ID: <20020320183706.GB5959@kroah.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419194930.009fd230@mail.attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419194930.009fd230@mail.attbi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.20 (i586) Reply-By: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:47:36 -0800 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 667 Lines: 16 On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 07:54:35PM -0800, Russ Gilman-Hunt wrote: > So I've looked it up on google and it looks like there may be a flaw in the > 2.4.5 kernel with those particular cards. However, I generally don't > believe my first response, especially when the answer is "it's someone > else's fault. " I've tried compiling this into the kernel (the es1371 > card) as well as joystick support. Is there something else I'm missing, or > should I try downloading a different kernel? Enable CONFIG_INPUT_GAMEPORT in your kernel configuration, or get a more recent kernel (2.4.18 is the latest) where this configuration bug has been fixed. thanks, greg k-h From rasmussenm@columbiafunds.com Wed Mar 20 11:04:33 2002 Received: from mail1.columbiafunds.com ([209.162.223.70] helo=cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nlNx-0000Ty-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:04:33 -0800 Received: from 10.1.0.61 by cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7)); Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:03:41 -0800 X-Server-Uuid: f8bf8a56-859d-11d3-a23d-00805f2535ba Received: by cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:03:41 -0800 Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463A99F@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> From: "Michael Rasmussen" To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: RE: [PLUG] Advanced Topics Meeting Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:03:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 1086028757252-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 612 Lines: 8 > Does Perl have a REPL yet? Come to the meeting and find out. :) NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From wcooley@nakedape.cc Wed Mar 20 11:45:30 2002 Received: from haus.nakedape.cc ([63.105.18.11] ident=[pP7uRMhfGBpJZXbj0/QfBvAiuwosYRaC]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nm1a-0000tg-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:45:30 -0800 Received: by haus.nakedape.cc (Postfix, from userid 500) id 542F470A; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:45:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:45:29 -0800 From: Wil Cooley To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Message-ID: <20020320114529.D18729@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Mail-Followup-To: Wil Cooley , plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="j0LrB7C7xlgW/F3D" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i X-Operating-System: Linux rheingold 2.4.16-0.9 X-Secret-Message: If you can't read the body of this message, you're using a broken mailer. X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=black; TextColor=black X-URL: http://nakedape.cc/~wcooley X-Message-Flag: This could be an Outlook virus! Are you sure you want to continue using Outlook? Organization: Naked Ape Consulting X-Face: "#;<]LC:e")E2lx0GON'wHCc.'^BUJL:Esr/--eUc5S`1Kvc/z^P`A$L0c?A.[blhK/1v#\'AX}3f-$=PJKLz~C|hm6ptH{ List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 804 Lines: 30 --j0LrB7C7xlgW/F3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone managed to get SSH X-forwarding with LBX to work? I've fiddled with it a bit but never managed to get it to work. Wil --=20 Wil Cooley wcooley@nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs --j0LrB7C7xlgW/F3D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8mObYJpn3uYWUEaoRAg7RAJ9ukf3zjdt2iKKCu5BL06cQKXPCDwCeNtfO SybVlh3x3U81JBN/Cg/FbMs= =Iodp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --j0LrB7C7xlgW/F3D-- From heinlein@attbi.com Wed Mar 20 12:15:19 2002 Received: from hal.measurecast.com ([157.238.146.184] ident=0) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nmUR-0001D7-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:15:19 -0800 Received: from quidditch.measurecast.com (quidditch.measurecast.com [192.168.1.75]) by hal.measurecast.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08138 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (heinlein@localhost) by quidditch.measurecast.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2KKF6Q11613 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:15:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:15:06 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Heinlein X-X-Sender: heinlein@quidditch.measurecast.com To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] SSH X-forwarding with LBX? In-Reply-To: <20020320114529.D18729@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 327 Lines: 11 On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Wil Cooley wrote: > Has anyone managed to get SSH X-forwarding with LBX to work? I've > fiddled with it a bit but never managed to get it to work. Seems to me the tough part would be working with lbxproxy and its port-skewing. What did you try along those lines? -- Paul Heinlein From Cooper.Stevenson@wahchang.com Wed Mar 20 12:17:16 2002 Received: from [207.109.252.165] (helo=raptor.wahchang.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nmWJ-0001F0-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:17:15 -0800 Received: from no.name.available by raptor.wahchang.com via smtpd (for drizzle.pdxlinux.org [206.190.130.141]) with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 20:17:15 UT Received: by PROXY with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:18:43 -0800 Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA392003059814@arnold.bedrock.com> From: Cooper.Stevenson@wahchang.com To: lug@peak.org, plug@pdxlinux.org Cc: bryans@trinetech.com, monroe@integrity.com Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:24:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [PLUG] Monitoring Script Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 3521 Lines: 104 All; I have just finished and tested a script that monitors the unix hosts for any problems and alerts the administrator (me) if there are is a problem. The script is elegant in simplicity: it scans the host for processes listed in a configuration file. To change what the machine looks for, simply edit the config file! This makes the script portable. I have tested it and I know it works on Dynix/ptx 4.4, HP-UX v10.0 and v10.2, SunOS, and Linux. It's POSIX so I have little doubt that it will work with other platforms as well. After it is approved I will change the alert from an email to a message from my cell phone. The first listing is the script itself. It is followed by a sample configuration file: #!/bin/ksh ################################################ #D. Cooper Stevenson 11-Mar-02 alert.sh# # # #This script scans the process configuration # #file and searches the process list for # #matching fields. If it does not find the # #process, it will send an alert. # ################################################ victim=cooper.stevenson@wahchang.com process_config=/usr/local/etc/process.conf function check_processes { ######################################################################### #This function checks the host connections. It takes the name of the # #process to check as an argument. Use as many args per call as you like.# ######################################################################### unset -v proc_num #remove the variable if it exists index=0 #initialize the array counter while (( $# > 0 )) #while we are still processing args to the function do proc_num[index]=$( ps -ef | grep "$1" | grep -v grep | wc -l ) #grep for the argument in proccess list ((index+=1)) shift done } #End function check_processes #Scan the $process_config file for the databases that are supposed to be running on the machine. This makes the script portable while still correctly scanning the processes unique to each machine. #Strip out all comment lines (sed), delete the blank lines (grep) and awk the first field of the remaining line using the ':' as a field separator. sed /#/d "$process_config" | grep -v '^ *$' | awk -F"\t" '{print $1,$2}' | while read min_proc_num proc_name do #Figure out how many processes from the config file there are running total_procs=$(ps -ef | grep "$proc_name" | grep -v grep | wc -l ) #If I don't see one of these processes, there'll be "Hell 'a poppin'!" if [[ $total_procs -lt min_proc_num ]] ; then print "The process $proc_name is down on $(uname -a | awk '{print $2}')"! | /usr/lib/sendmail $victim fi done ######################################################### #This is the configuration file for the alert.sh script.# #The first column is the number of matches you need to # #see for a given process. This is followed by a tab, and# #then the process name (the string you wish to search # #for). # ######################################################### #Alexandria Processes 4 sscldaemon 2 slnetdaemon 3 alex-sched #Line Printer Deamon 1 /usr/lib/lpsched #Mail Daemon 1 /usr/lib/sendmail -bd -q30m #Listener Processes 1 /apps/oracle/v/8.1.7/bin/tnslsnr lstnr8 -inherit 1 /apps/oracle/v/7.3.4.5/bin/tnslsnr LISTENER -inherit #Financials Processes 10 FNDLIBR FND Concurrent_Processor MANAGE OLOGIN #PCE Processes 1 /u02/home/prog/twca/pce/LIVE.pce twca twca From plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Wed Mar 20 12:20:02 2002 Xref: news.pdxlinux.org plug.plug:148 Newsgroups: plug.plug Path: news.pdxlinux.org!not-for-mail From: Mike Witt Subject: Re: [PLUG] Advanced Topics Meeting Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:16:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: malacandra.computer-arts.net Message-ID: <3C98EE06.11618FD8@computer-arts.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Portland Linux Users Group References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 232 Lines: 6 I missed the actual announcement. I'm new at this. I went to one advanced topics meeting at It's a Beautiful Pizza last month. Is that always where it is? Is it always the same day and time? (And what day and time is that?) -Mike From deanm@sharplabs.com Wed Mar 20 12:35:24 2002 Received: from keymaster.sharplabs.com ([216.65.151.107] helo=sharplabs.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nmns-0001Rq-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:35:24 -0800 Received: from admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com (admsrvnt02 [172.29.225.253]) by sharplabs.com (8.9.1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA17176 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from pons.enet.sharplabs.com ([172.29.224.249]) by admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id HGNF7DY5; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:35:01 -0800 Received: by pons.enet.sharplabs.com (Postfix, from userid 7003) id 8BDBF10E055; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:34:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Dean S. Messing" To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Message-Id: <20020320203452.8BDBF10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:34:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] An apology for "free software" Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 665 Lines: 21 In my readings I came across the following site: http://www.neurotraces.com/scilab/scilab2/node2.html It discusses some aspects of signal processing on neurophysiological signals. In the middle of the Introduction I came across the following section: "What are the advantages of using free software and how to get it" which contains one of the best apologies (in the old sense of the word) for using "free software" that I've seen. Y'all might enjoy reading it. It's preaching to the choir, I know, but the bullet items in that section make a nice, concise set of points for any presentations you might need to give to your boss in the future :-) Dean From rasmussenm@columbiafunds.com Wed Mar 20 12:49:12 2002 Received: from mail1.columbiafunds.com ([209.162.223.70] helo=cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nn1E-0001b8-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:49:12 -0800 Received: from 10.1.0.61 by cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7)); Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:48:41 -0800 X-Server-Uuid: f8bf8a56-859d-11d3-a23d-00805f2535ba Received: by cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:48:41 -0800 Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463A9A5@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> From: "Michael Rasmussen" To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: RE: [PLUG] Advanced Topics Meeting Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:48:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 10862A2362081-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1087 Lines: 22 > From: Mike Witt [mailto:mike@computer-arts.net] > I missed the actual announcement. No you didn't. There wasn't one. Always the 3rd Wednesday of the month, and it will be at It's a Beautiful Pizza for the foreseeable future. We start about 7:00. There's wasn't a meeting announcement because we're uncoordinated this month. -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm@columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From cp@onsitetech.com Wed Mar 20 12:51:48 2002 Received: from [12.108.11.164] (helo=otserver.onsitetech.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nn3k-0001df-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:51:48 -0800 Received: from OTd1 (unverified [66.89.133.66]) by otserver.onsitetech.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:22:16 -0800 Message-ID: <003901c1d04e$196042d0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> From: "Curtis Poe" To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:30:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Subject: [PLUG] Open source and professional employees Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1222 Lines: 29 If you do any sort of Open Source development and you have a signed employment contract, you may wish to read this: http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=153046 I know the author and he and I have spoken at length about this issue. Legally, his company has him over a barrel. It turns out that neither the GPL nor Perl's Artistic license protects him because an employee usually has no legal right to unilaterally bind his or her employer to such restrictive terms without the employer's explicit, written permission. Unfortunately, all of the open-source work he has produced during his current employment has the potential to be pulled. If you use Perl, you may wish to be aware that both the Carp and Exporter modules may be forced to revert to older, broken versions. Further, he was developing some rather revolutionary ideas for regular expression engines which may now never see the light as he will likely be sued if he continues to work on them. Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe -- "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ Someone asked me how to count to 10 in Perl: push@A,$_ for reverse q.e...q.n.;for(@A){$_=unpack(q|c|,$_);@a=split//; shift@a;shift@a if $a[$[]eq$[;$_=join q||,@a};print $_,$/for reverse @A From jeme@brelin.net Wed Mar 20 13:11:43 2002 Received: from shaft.bitmine.net ([216.231.58.163]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nnN1-0001qD-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:11:43 -0800 Received: from localhost (jbrelin@localhost) by shaft.bitmine.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA05976 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:12:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:12:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jeme A Brelin X-Sender: jbrelin@shaft.bitmine.net To: "'plug@lists.pdxlinux.org'" Subject: RE: [PLUG] fair use? (was Revolution OS) In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA64F@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1987 Lines: 51 On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Craighead, Scot D wrote: > But didn't Napster pretty much lose? I thought that they were given a > list of songs that were not to be shared and had to comply. It went something like this: Recording industry sues Napster for "contributory copyright infringement" and seeks restitution via massive cash awards and the discontinuation of the company's primary service. Napster prepares briefs for countersuits for harrassment and misuse of copyright by the RIAA. RIAA receives a "preliminary injunction" stopping Napster from running their services until trial. This is done simply by RIAA going to court and claiming they are being damaged by the continuation of the service. But since there's no actual trial when an injunction is granted, RIAA isn't required to show proof of said damages. Napster appeals the injunction and shows evidence that the recording industry has suffered ZERO damages since Napster began its services but the pro-entertainment industry judge denies the appeal. Napster can't afford to continue paying its employees, let alone highly skilled legal consul, without being able to operate their business. They flounder and nearly close their doors. BMG buys Napster and RIAA comes to a "compromise" where artists can opt-out of Napster by supplying the company with a list of songs that are banned. Users resort to piglatin to bypass the filtering software, but the service never really recovers. The simple fact is that the Napster case never went to trial. The RIAA successfully shut the company down long enough to make it possible to buy the thing. The RIAA hasn't been as agressive against similar services because they aren't backed by a company with money enough to bring a suit that would destroy the RIAA cartel and the recording industry as they know it, as Boies intended to do. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From sendai@thedustyshelf.com Wed Mar 20 13:50:35 2002 Received: from [63.76.115.65] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nnyd-0002EK-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:50:35 -0800 Received: from contron (contron [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2KGqIc01040 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:52:18 -0400 From: sendai To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 12:52:17 -0400 Message-Id: <1016643138.1020.2.camel@contron> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [PLUG] DVD playback on E4500 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 162 Lines: 7 I know this isn't exactly on topic, but does anyone know how to get the DVD drive on an E4500 to play DVD movies? Can it play DVD movies? Anyone done this? From craighead.scot@vectorscm.com Wed Mar 20 14:03:17 2002 Received: from mailhost.cnf.com ([63.230.177.14] helo=ljcqs016.cnf.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16noAv-0002Ml-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:03:17 -0800 Received: from cnfqs041.cnf.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ljcqs016.cnf.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05637 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by cnfqs041.cnf.prod.cnf.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:01:17 -0800 Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA655@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> From: "Craighead, Scot D" To: "'plug@lists.pdxlinux.org'" Subject: RE: [PLUG] fair use? (was Revolution OS) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:02:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D05A.F926ACE0" Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 2657 Lines: 62 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D05A.F926ACE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >The simple fact is that the Napster case never went to trial. The RIAA >successfully shut the company down long enough to make it possible to buy >the thing. This is what I hate about our legal system. If you have enough money, you can always win regardless of the facts or the law. Personally, I don't think the RIAA can hold it's monopoly much longer. The cat is out of the bag, so to speak, with mp3 files. Had they seen it coming, they would have tried to make the format and all others like it illegal, I'm sure. The technology has advanced and the record industry will roll with it or be replaced by a different set of players. Is it any wonder that M$ media player keeps track of what mp3's you have played and uploads the info along with your registration number? Is it any wonder that it is done in the form of cookies so that most people would never notice? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D05A.F926ACE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [PLUG] fair use? (was Revolution OS)

>The simple fact is that the Napster case never = went to trial.  The RIAA
>successfully shut the company down long enough = to make it possible to buy
>the thing.

This is what I hate about our legal system.  If = you have enough money, you can always win regardless of the facts or = the law.  Personally, I don't think the RIAA can hold it's = monopoly much longer.  The cat is out of the bag, so to speak, = with mp3 files.  Had they seen it coming, they would have tried to = make the format and all others like it illegal, I'm sure.  The = technology has advanced and the record industry will roll with it or be = replaced by a different set of players.  Is it any wonder that M$ = media player keeps track of what mp3's you have played and uploads the = info along with your registration number?  Is it any wonder that = it is done in the form of cookies so that most people would never = notice?

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D05A.F926ACE0-- From ejahn@worksystems.org Wed Mar 20 14:03:48 2002 Received: from mail.yei.org ([63.228.168.26] helo=wsismtp) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16noBQ-0002NB-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:03:48 -0800 Received: FROM wsimail.worksystems.org BY wsismtp ; Wed Mar 20 14:11:21 2002 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [PLUG] Open source and professional employees Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:13:11 -0800 Message-ID: <319FB8934F09BF48A3F322837088266763FF8B@wsimail.worksystems.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PLUG] Open source and professional employees Thread-Index: AcHQUnSDLz+TId4KSfmxyu/fUm7UkQACSoAg From: "Eric Jahn" To: Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1891 Lines: 55 very interesting topic. so the lesson I gleaned was (as what New York would call a "professional employee") make sure your job description is as narrow as possible and does not overlap with your open source software development, moonlighting, or hobbies. I wonder what happens if you don't have a job description? =20 -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Poe [mailto:cp@onsitetech.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 12:31 PM To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] Open source and professional employees If you do any sort of Open Source development and you have a signed employment contract, you may wish to read this: http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=3D153046 I know the author and he and I have spoken at length about this issue. Legally, his company has him over a barrel. It turns out that neither the GPL nor Perl's Artistic license protects him because an employee usually has no legal right to unilaterally bind his or her employer to such restrictive terms without the employer's explicit, written permission. Unfortunately, all of the open-source work he has produced during his current employment has the potential to be pulled. If you use Perl, you may wish to be aware that both the Carp and Exporter modules may be forced to revert to older, broken versions. Further, he was developing some rather revolutionary ideas for regular expression engines which may now never see the light as he will likely be sued if he continues to work on them. Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe -- "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ Someone asked me how to count to 10 in Perl: push@A,$_ for reverse = q.e...q.n.;for(@A){$_=3Dunpack(q|c|,$_);@a=3Dsplit//; shift@a;shift@a if $a[$[]eq$[;$_=3Djoin q||,@a};print $_,$/for reverse = @A _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From seniorr@aracnet.com Wed Mar 20 14:12:03 2002 Received: from bonneville.tdb.com ([216.99.214.10] helo=coulee.tdb.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16noJO-0002Y3-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:12:02 -0800 Received: (qmail 20729 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Mar 2002 22:12:04 -0000 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Open source and professional employees References: <319FB8934F09BF48A3F322837088266763FF8B@wsimail.worksystems.org> From: Russell Senior Date: 20 Mar 2002 14:12:04 -0800 In-Reply-To: <319FB8934F09BF48A3F322837088266763FF8B@wsimail.worksystems.org> Message-ID: <86lmcmq47f.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1279 Lines: 26 >>>>> "Eric" == Eric Jahn writes: Eric> very interesting topic. so the lesson I gleaned was (as what New Eric> York would call a "professional employee") make sure your job Eric> description is as narrow as possible and does not overlap with Eric> your open source software development, moonlighting, or hobbies. Eric> I wonder what happens if you don't have a job description? IANAL, but... I think the real lesson here is to be upfront with the employer and tell them what you want to do and ensure them that you aren't publishing company secrets and get _that_ in writing. If _they_ don't agree to that, then you have a clear choice about whether you want to accept their employment offer. BTW, this is another, probably the more significant reason that FSF wants copyright assignments for contributed work. It's to get employers to sign off of the transfer before it become something that others build on. It clears up what could become a real legal tangle. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From brucek@kingkon.com Wed Mar 20 14:39:49 2002 Received: from [64.42.104.194] (helo=defiant.kingkon.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16nokG-0002pf-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:39:48 -0800 Received: (from brucek@localhost) by defiant.kingkon.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2KMdFu01829; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:39:15 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:39:13 -0800 From: Bruce Kingsland To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linux 7.2 Printer Problem Message-ID: <20020320143913.A943@defiant.kingkon.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jeme@brelin.net on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:06:42AM -0800 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 2896 Lines: 86 --r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Jeme A Brelin's Log: StarDate 0319.0006: > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Robert wrote: > > I just installed Linux 7.2 for the first time and am having a problem. > > I'll have you know that Linux v7.2 is, at the current rate of development, > about 25 years away. My guess is you installed Linux v2.4.x. Ahhh, lets be nice to the newbies! > I would guess further that you installed v7.2 of the Red Hat operating > system (which uses a Linux kernel and most of the GNU system), but that > could certainly be incorrect. > > > I finally got it to access my home network and my HP laser printer > > with a jetdirect card, but then it lost internet access, although it > > would still sign-on to AT&T just fine, it just wouldn't access the > > WWW. When I selected "Use Hardware Address" in "Network > > Configuration" it started to access the WWW with AT&T again, but now I > > lost the HP LAN printer as well as a local NEC printer. > > What's this "Network Configuration"? What utility contains such a > configuration panel? I think it's the default GNOME desktop. > > Changing the settings back makes no difference, I still can't access > > the printers. I can access the LAN fine and even visit the HP > > JetDirect built-in homepage. > > > > I am getting a " localhost.localdomain bad " message on bootup ( I > > don't know if it was there all along or just started) and it seems to > > be directly connected to the printing problem. I tried changing the > > settings around, from leaving them blank to changing the names and > > settings, but nothing works. > > > > Anyone know the answer to this one? > > Off the top of my head, I think you have route problems. > > FIRST, check to see that you have a line in your /etc/hosts file like > this: > 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain Correct syntax is: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost > I assume you know something about the network configuration of your local > LAN. Check the local machines routing table with `route -n` and see if > you have a network route to both the local network and the greater > internet. > > Beyond that, could be several different things. > > J. > -- -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek@kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8mQ+I+8UsjSuNo9cRAhFJAJwK7AvDxDSTHgLMt2VxOBL3lEFQXACfTZAH sql90dMqPBR1OMhhQuxyZeU= =w2TC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3-- From cp@onsitetech.com Wed Mar 20 14:54:49 2002 Received: from [12.108.11.164] (helo=otserver.onsitetech.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16noyn-00036Z-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:54:49 -0800 Received: from OTd1 (unverified [66.89.133.66]) by otserver.onsitetech.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:45:41 -0800 Message-ID: <006b01c1d062$2288af00$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> From: "Curtis Poe" To: References: <319FB8934F09BF48A3F322837088266763FF8B@wsimail.worksystems.org> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Open source and professional employees Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:54:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 1320 Lines: 33 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Jahn" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:13 PM > Subject: RE: [PLUG] Open source and professional employees [snip] > make sure your job description is > as narrow as possible and does not overlap with your open source > software development, moonlighting, or hobbies. Ahh... but that's ultimately what got Ben in trouble. Many large companies have terms in the employment contract that *any* ideas (whether realized or not) that you develop during the time you work for them belong to that company. Thus, I have a module on the CPAN (and another in the works) that, in theory, belong to my company. Fortunately, the owner of our company has stated that he has no problem with my doing open-source work on my own time, but that may change if his lawyer doesn't have enough fiber in his diet. Many people on this list may be violating the terms of their employment contract and be open to legal liability just for answering questions here or posting code. Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe -- "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ Someone asked me how to count to 10 in Perl: push@A,$_ for reverse q.e...q.n.;for(@A){$_=unpack(q|c|,$_);@a=split//; shift@a;shift@a if $a[$[]eq$[;$_=join q||,@a};print $_,$/for reverse @A From richard.langis@sun.com Wed Mar 20 15:06:22 2002 Received: from pheriche.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16np9y-0003Gy-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:06:22 -0800 Received: from hillsboro.West.Sun.COM ([129.153.62.10]) by pheriche.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13049 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:06:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from sun.com (delray.West.Sun.COM [129.153.45.10]) by hillsboro.West.Sun.COM (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id g2KN6Ko06968 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:06:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C9915E7.7010303@sun.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:06:15 -0800 From: Richard Langis Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011206 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] DVD playback on E4500 References: <1016643138.1020.2.camel@contron> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org Errors-To: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org X-BeenThere: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org X-Reply-To: richard.langis@sun.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General Linux discussion and assistance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Status: O Content-Length: 872 Lines: 23 I'm no expert, but since I work at Sun I'll hazard a guess. The question is wether the OS sees the drive as a DVD-ROM or just a CD-ROM. If it sees it as a DVD-ROM, perhaps your software for playing is looking at a symlink for /dev/dvd0 (or something) instead of the device. If the *actual* device and the symlink aren't the same, sync 'em up or change your software to reflect the device address. The next question is: Solaris or Linux? I'm not entirely certain that Solaris has DVD-player support. Well, it has DVD-reader support obviously, otherwise we wouldn't ship the things. But wether or not there is DVD-veiwing software to support said reader is another matter. -R sendai wrote: > I know this isn't exactly on topic, but does anyone know how to get the > DVD drive on an E4500 to play DVD movies? Can it play DVD movies? > Anyone done this? From ckuskie@nwdcapps.dalsemi.com Wed Mar 20 15:14:33 2002 Received: from chewy.dalsemi.com ([198.3.123.8] helo=hawaii.dalsemi.com) by drizzle.pdxlinux.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16npHt-0003OM-00 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:14:33 -0800 Received: from beta.dalsemi.com (beta [180.0.34.2]) by hawaii.dalsemi.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2KNE2309122 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:14:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from dalsemi.com (nwdcapps.dalsemi.com [192.168.104.80]) by beta.dalsemi.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2KNDtp04430 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:13:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from nwdc3.dalsemi.com (nwdc3 [192.168.104.72]) b