From rustifer at attbi.com Sat Apr 20 03:54:35 2002 From: rustifer at attbi.com (Russ Gilman-Hunt) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:54:35 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] kernel 2.4.5 and es1371 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419194930.009fd230@mail.attbi.com> I purchased a es1371 to work with my linux computer as it's in the kernel options list. It worked great under kernel 2.2.17, but with the kernel 2.4.5, I'm having a problem... here's where "make bzlilo" dies... drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o: In function `es1371_probe': drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o(.text+0x673b): undefined reference to `gameport_register_port' drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o: In function `es1371_remove': drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o(.text+0x6883): undefined reference to `gameport_unregister_port' make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 So I've looked it up on google and it looks like there may be a flaw in the 2.4.5 kernel with those particular cards. However, I generally don't believe my first response, especially when the answer is "it's someone else's fault. " I've tried compiling this into the kernel (the es1371 card) as well as joystick support. Is there something else I'm missing, or should I try downloading a different kernel? -Russ From RobertsDellLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Mon Apr 1 03:19:58 2002 From: RobertsDellLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:19:58 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Red Hat Linux Update Nightmare Message-ID: I put Red Hat 7.2 on my Dell 4100. After over 20 hours and 200 MB of downloads, my dial-up connection failed and Red Hat Update Agent locked up. I was using the up2date command. Now when I run up2date it lists everything I had already downloaded. There is no way I am going to do this download again. Is there a way to install my downloads or are they lost? Robert From sean_whitney at bigfoot.com Mon Apr 1 03:47:18 2002 From: sean_whitney at bigfoot.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:47:18 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Solaris & /dev/random Message-ID: <20020401034718.3FE3D2F1CC@einstein.seansdomain.org> Hi All, Finally, Solaris officially support /dev/random on Solaris 8... it is in patch 112438-01... apply it now!!! Yeah.. you don't have to use the Andreas Maier hack anymore!!! -------------------------------- Patch-ID# 112438-01 Keywords: random number generator PRNG Synopsis: SunOS 5.8: /kernel/drv/random patch Date: Mar/28/2002 Solaris Release: 8 SunOS Release: 5.8 Unbundled Product: Unbundled Release: Xref: Topic: SunOS 5.8: /kernel/drv/random patch *********************************************************** NOTE: This patch may contain one or more OEM-specific platform ports. See the appropriate OEM_NOTES file within the patch for information specific to these platforms. DO NOT INSTALL this patch on an OEM system if a corresponding OEM_NOTES file is not present (or is present, but instructs not to install the patch), unless the OEM vendor directs otherwise. *********************************************************** Relevant Architectures: sparc BugId's fixed with this patch: 4337350 Changes incorporated in this version: 4337350 Patches accumulated and obsoleted by this patch: Patches which conflict with this patch: Patches required with this patch: Obsoleted by: Files included with this patch: /etc/devlink.tab /etc/minor_perm /kernel/drv/random /kernel/drv/random.conf /kernel/drv/sparcv9/random /usr/include/sys/random.h /usr/lib/mdb/kvm/random.so /usr/lib/mdb/kvm/sparcv9/random.so Problem Description: 4337350 RFE - Solaris should have /dev/random -- We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question which divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct. My own feeling is that it is not crazy enough. -- Niels Bohr From kens at cad2cam.com Mon Apr 1 03:48:53 2002 From: kens at cad2cam.com (Kenneth G. Stephens) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:48:53 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Red Hat Linux Update Nightmare In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I thought up2date was smart enough to know that if downloaded files before. I don't think it downloads the updates it already has. Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Robert > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 7:20 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: [PLUG] Red Hat Linux Update Nightmare > > > I put Red Hat 7.2 on my Dell 4100. > > After over 20 hours and 200 MB of downloads, my dial-up connection failed > and Red Hat Update Agent locked up. I was using the up2date command. > > Now when I run up2date it lists everything I had already > downloaded. There > is no way I am going to do this download again. > > Is there a way to install my downloads or are they lost? > > Robert > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From stever at woo-hoo.com Mon Apr 1 03:54:40 2002 From: stever at woo-hoo.com (Steven Raymond) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:54:40 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Red Hat Linux Update Nightmare In-Reply-To: ; from kens@cad2cam.com on Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 19:48:53 -0800 References: Message-ID: <20020331195440.A15434@sparky> I agree with Ken. In my experience, up2date will realize, after you pick the files to update for the 2nd or whatever time, that the packages already reside on the system (/var/spool/up2date, I think). Check this directory first, and then run up2date again. I think you'll see that it smartly skips retrieving the already-downloaded packages. On 2002.03.31 19:48 Kenneth G. Stephens wrote: > I thought up2date was smart enough to know that if downloaded files > before. > I don't think it downloads the updates it already has. > > Ken > ...> > Is there a way to install my downloads or are they lost? > > > > Robert From bill at coho.net Mon Apr 1 03:52:59 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:52:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Red Hat Linux Update Nightmare In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, actually it's got those RPMs stored in it's download directory (/var/spool/up2date or something like that) and when you continue your up2date session it'll just tell you x-ray-6.0.2-i386.rpm already downloaded and skip onto the next one. Unless of course RedHat changes their errata and wants you to download a different rpm. But you should be good to go without redownloading anything. Bill On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, Robert wrote: > I put Red Hat 7.2 on my Dell 4100. > > After over 20 hours and 200 MB of downloads, my dial-up connection failed > and Red Hat Update Agent locked up. I was using the up2date command. > > Now when I run up2date it lists everything I had already downloaded. There > is no way I am going to do this download again. > > Is there a way to install my downloads or are they lost? > > Robert > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From RobertsDellLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Mon Apr 1 04:13:05 2002 From: RobertsDellLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:13:05 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Red Hat Linux Update Nightmare References: Message-ID: Thanks Bill, I found that directory and copied it for safe keeping. I'll start the up2date command later, as I need to do something other than updates for a while. Robert Bill wrote: > Well, actually it's got those RPMs stored in it's download directory > (/var/spool/up2date or something like that) and when you continue your > up2date session it'll just tell you x-ray-6.0.2-i386.rpm already > downloaded and skip onto the next one. Unless of course RedHat changes > their errata and wants you to download a different rpm. But you should be > good to go without redownloading anything. > > Bill > > On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, Robert wrote: > >> I put Red Hat 7.2 on my Dell 4100. >> >> After over 20 hours and 200 MB of downloads, my dial-up connection failed >> and Red Hat Update Agent locked up. I was using the up2date command. >> >> Now when I run up2date it lists everything I had already downloaded. >> There is no way I am going to do this download again. >> >> Is there a way to install my downloads or are they lost? >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PLUG mailing list >> PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> From heinlein at attbi.com Mon Apr 1 04:31:24 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:31:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Solaris & /dev/random In-Reply-To: <20020401034718.3FE3D2F1CC@einstein.seansdomain.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, Sean Whitney wrote: > Finally, Solaris officially support /dev/random on Solaris 8... it is > in patch 112438-01... apply it now!!! Yeah.. you don't have to use the > Andreas Maier hack anymore!!! No more ANDIrand? Yippee! -- Paul Heinlein From bsr at spek.org Mon Apr 1 06:10:58 2002 From: bsr at spek.org (Brent Rieck) Date: 31 Mar 2002 22:10:58 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] rpmdrake question.. Message-ID: <1017641458.14290.98.camel@obelisk.spek.org> Hello, I just installed Mandrake 8.2 on my laptop (nice install BTW, since I have no CD rom on it (it's a mini-laptop) I used the single floppy network install, Everything Just Worked(tm)). I've been trying add ftp and http sources to rpmdrake's list of available sources and have had no luck doing so - it never seems to accept my entries, no combinations of urls and relative paths to hdlist.cz will work, it always fails with a dialog box with the message "An error occured when adding this source.", and I can't seem to get a more descriptive error. Have any of the Mandrake users out there encountered this and gotten rpmdrake to accept more sources? Or know how to get rpmdrake to show more errors? thanks for any hints, Brent bsr at spek.org From krisa at subtend.net Mon Apr 1 07:49:16 2002 From: krisa at subtend.net (Kris) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:49:16 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Telco industry version of Linux? In-Reply-To: <3CA636F9.19B18838@pcez.com> References: <3CA636F9.19B18838@pcez.com> Message-ID: <20020401074916.GB31813@navi.subtend.net> On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 02:06:49PM -0800, Stuart Mathews wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Stuart Mathews wrote: > > > I read an article in eWEEK about a group who is developing a new > > > "version" of Linux specifically for the telco industry. Any ideas > > > what such a version of Linux might entail? What does a telco need > > > from Linux that other industries may not? > > > > Telcos need reliability. I'm talking SERIOUS reliability. > > > > Telcos are required by FCC regulations to provide service at an > > unbelievably high level. > > > > For example, a dial-tone provider is allowed to take that dial-tone > > service down for one second every two years. Telephone number routing is > > allowed to fail for two seconds every year. > > > > J. These numbers sound a tad off. Business call-routing goes down more than you might think. I worked for a company where call routing went down a few hours for a couple weeks within 6 months. This was due to provider switch misconfiguration. One time, the LEC even decided to just randomly change our signaling from ESI to AMI on a provisioned, live, production circuit. sheez. I was also part of building a CLEC, and to obtain cost savings, and run voice services over DSL (non-ip, ATM based), we used a soft-switch from EON which was actually Linux based (this is Telco-class equipment BTW). A lot of other soft-switch providers use hardware combined with Sun servers. I do know that any outages or service interruptions on the voice side required we report it to the PUC, and that we have 8 hours of battery backup to provide POTS service to end-users to maintain E911 services during a power outage. SLA's for circuits are harder than SLA's for hardware (easier to have five 9's uptime for a fully redundant 5ESS phone switch than an OC-3 circuit). -- I'm just a packet pusher. From jeme at brelin.net Mon Apr 1 09:07:36 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:07:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Telco industry version of Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020401074916.GB31813@navi.subtend.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, Kris wrote: > These numbers sound a tad off. When I worked for a telco, there was a trainer (PNB/USWest retiree) who gave everyone a week-long crash course in telephony. Those are the numbers he gave us. Take that however you like... that's just where I got my info. Could be dead-on, could be full of shit, could just be old data. > Business call-routing goes down more than you might think. I worked > for a company where call routing went down a few hours for a couple > weeks within 6 months. This was due to provider switch > misconfiguration. One time, the LEC even decided to just randomly > change our signaling from ESI to AMI on a provisioned, live, > production circuit. sheez. I think private line and trunk services have different FCC requirements. > I was also part of building a CLEC, and to obtain cost savings, and > run voice services over DSL (non-ip, ATM based), we used a soft-switch > from EON which was actually Linux based (this is Telco-class equipment > BTW). A lot of other soft-switch providers use hardware combined with > Sun servers. Yeah, just before I left the telco, they were implementing some soft switch systems running on Sun hardware (and software, to some extent). Big cost savings, but things get weird when dataheads and bellheads collide. I remember a huge argument where folks at a management conference (and I mean fault management here) were horrified that a person would use SNMP to manage telco equipment. "But it's UDP! Best effort delivery! Not good enough!" "But it's six inches of cat5, directly wired to the management station!" Hoo, boy. > SLA's for circuits are harder than SLA's for hardware (easier to have > five 9's uptime for a fully redundant 5ESS phone switch than an OC-3 > circuit). I can't believe anyone says "five nines" with a straight face. They KNOW they're lying... the person listening KNOWS they're lying... the boss KNOWS they're lying. It's a check mark on a form and they all pretend they're actually going to meet it. Ugh. I don't know if I'm ready to deal with corporations again. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From nmeyers at javalinux.net Mon Apr 1 14:32:58 2002 From: nmeyers at javalinux.net (Nathan Meyers) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 06:32:58 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] rpmdrake question.. In-Reply-To: <1017641458.14290.98.camel@obelisk.spek.org> References: <1017641458.14290.98.camel@obelisk.spek.org> Message-ID: <20020401143258.GD19810@javalinux.net> On Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 10:10:58PM -0800, Brent Rieck wrote: > Hello, > I just installed Mandrake 8.2 on my laptop (nice install BTW, since I > have no CD rom on it (it's a mini-laptop) I used the single floppy > network install, Everything Just Worked(tm)). I've been trying add ftp > and http sources to rpmdrake's list of available sources and have had no > luck doing so - it never seems to accept my entries, no combinations of > urls and relative paths to hdlist.cz will work, it always fails with a > dialog box with the message "An error occured when adding this source.", > and I can't seem to get a more descriptive error. > > Have any of the Mandrake users out there encountered this and gotten > rpmdrake to accept more sources? Or know how to get rpmdrake to show > more errors? Hi Brent, I've managed to get ftp and http sources added, after a bit of fumbling. (BTW, the same sources you set up with rpmdrake are also used for the urpmi tool, which does auto-dependency stuff and generally makes it about as easy to load packages as APT does for Debian.) I've found that specifying the path to the directory containing the RPMs themselves does the trick. Here's a working example from my 8.1 system: URL: ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandrake-old/8.1/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/ hdlist: ../base/hdlist.cz I haven't spent much time on 8.2 yet, but it looks like that version of rpmdrake no longer provides a default value for hdlist - I'm not sure I'd ever have figured this thing out without that helpful head start in earlier versions. Nathan From pem at nellump.com Mon Apr 1 06:43:16 2002 From: pem at nellump.com (Paul Mullen) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:43:16 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Apple Ousts Coder for Being Young In-Reply-To: ; from jeme@brelin.net on Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 10:40:43PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20020331224316.A3109@nellump.com> On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 10:40:43PM -0800, Jeme A Brelin wrote: > > I just envisioned Microsoft or somebody paying off a bunch of young > hackers to contribute to GPL projects and then rescind their commitment > and claim proprietary ownership of important chunks of Free Software after > it's become widespread. I always thought part of the GPL's appeal was that once a work had been released under it, the license couldn't be rescinded at a later date (returning the work to a proprietary state). Was I mistaken? Paul From nmeyers at javalinux.net Mon Apr 1 17:12:15 2002 From: nmeyers at javalinux.net (Nathan Meyers) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:12:15 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Apple Ousts Coder for Being Young In-Reply-To: <20020331224316.A3109@nellump.com> References: <20020331224316.A3109@nellump.com> Message-ID: <20020401171215.GB21443@javalinux.net> On Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 10:43:16PM -0800, Paul Mullen wrote: > On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 10:40:43PM -0800, Jeme A Brelin wrote: > > > > I just envisioned Microsoft or somebody paying off a bunch of young > > hackers to contribute to GPL projects and then rescind their commitment > > and claim proprietary ownership of important chunks of Free Software after > > it's become widespread. > > I always thought part of the GPL's appeal was that once a work had been > released under it, the license couldn't be rescinded at a later date > (returning the work to a proprietary state). Was I mistaken? No, but it's no good if someone violates a legal commitment or a law in releasing such code. For example, if you obtain Windows source under license with the Evil Empire and release a copy under GPL, that doesn't make Windows GPL, it just makes your name mud. Microsoft would have the legal right to withdraw the code from GPL, sue your ass, and run a multimillion-dollar advertising campaign claiming that OSS=piracy. Nathan From matchboy at tearitalldown.com Mon Apr 1 16:28:36 2002 From: matchboy at tearitalldown.com (r0bbY) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:28:36 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] anti-unix unix based site Message-ID: <003701c1d99a$461189b0$7cf397d0@robby2k> A Web site sponsored by Microsoft and Unisys as a way to steer big companies away from the Unix operating system is itself powered by Unix software. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872266.html From bsr at spek.org Mon Apr 1 17:28:47 2002 From: bsr at spek.org (Brent Rieck) Date: 01 Apr 2002 09:28:47 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] rpmdrake question.. In-Reply-To: <20020401143258.GD19810@javalinux.net> References: <1017641458.14290.98.camel@obelisk.spek.org> <20020401143258.GD19810@javalinux.net> Message-ID: <1017682127.14292.116.camel@obelisk.spek.org> Thanks for the hints Nathan, On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 06:32, Nathan Meyers wrote: > (BTW, the same sources you set up with rpmdrake are also used for the > urpmi tool, which does auto-dependency stuff and generally makes it > about as easy to load packages as APT does for Debian.) Unfortunatly the url/hdlist pair didn't work for me - but knowing that rpmdrake was a companion to urpmi I found that in /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg I could copy a (non-working) source with my trusty text editor that was present in that file and "fool" rpmdrake into taking the (8.2-ized) url you provided. Everything was peachy until I wanted to install a few RPMs that (I guess) show up in hdlist.cz yet aren't present in the RPMS directory. Other non-peachyness is that urls entered don't appear to survive rpmdrake restarts. Are these things which you've seen in the 8.1 version? --Brent From pem at nellump.com Mon Apr 1 17:50:57 2002 From: pem at nellump.com (Paul Mullen) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:50:57 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Apple Ousts Coder for Being Young In-Reply-To: <20020401171215.GB21443@javalinux.net>; from nmeyers@javalinux.net on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:12:15AM -0800 References: <20020331224316.A3109@nellump.com> <20020401171215.GB21443@javalinux.net> Message-ID: <20020401095057.A4794@nellump.com> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:12:15AM -0800, Nathan Meyers wrote: > > > > I always thought part of the GPL's appeal was that once a work had been > > released under it, the license couldn't be rescinded at a later date > > (returning the work to a proprietary state). Was I mistaken? > > No, but it's no good if someone violates a legal commitment or a law > in releasing such code. For example, if you obtain Windows source under Nevermind. I posed my question before reading the article linked to. I suppose I didn't realize that since a minor can't legally enter into a contract, they could suddenly "change their mind" on their 18th birthday. Bum deal. Paul From richard.langis at sun.com Mon Apr 1 18:06:23 2002 From: richard.langis at sun.com (Richard Langis) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 10:06:23 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Apple Ousts Coder for Being Young References: <20020331224316.A3109@nellump.com> <20020401171215.GB21443@javalinux.net> <20020401095057.A4794@nellump.com> Message-ID: <3CA8A19F.7070402@sun.com> While I completely understand Apple's take on the situation, couldn't they have simply asked for a legal co-signer? Such as, as someone else suggested, a parent? That way, the minor could NOT change their mind, as the agreement wasn't *just* with them and them alone. That way, both Apple, and the young developer could continue the arrangement with as little fuss and with the benefits that led to the agreement in the first place. Obviously, IANALama. -R Paul Mullen wrote: > On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:12:15AM -0800, Nathan Meyers wrote: > >>>I always thought part of the GPL's appeal was that once a work had been >>>released under it, the license couldn't be rescinded at a later date >>>(returning the work to a proprietary state). Was I mistaken? >>> >>No, but it's no good if someone violates a legal commitment or a law >>in releasing such code. For example, if you obtain Windows source under >> > > Nevermind. I posed my question before reading the article linked to. I > suppose I didn't realize that since a minor can't legally enter into a > contract, they could suddenly "change their mind" on their 18th > birthday. Bum deal. > > > Paul -- s u n m i c r o s y s t e m s ~ Richard Langis Jr. ~ richard.langis at sun.com From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Mon Apr 1 18:40:01 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:40:01 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Scanning for formmail ... Message-ID: <20020401104001.B16021@dalsemi.com> I'm seeing a lot of entries in my apache access_log that look like this: 172.159.122.83 - - [31/Mar/2002:09:02:53 -0800] "GET /cgi-bin/formmail.pl?recipient=formmailrogers at yahoo.com&subject=http://www.sunsetpres.org/cgi-bin/formmail.pl&body=JupZ&email=uru at aol.com HTTP/1.1" 404 225 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" 172.159.122.83 - - [31/Mar/2002:09:02:53 -0800] "GET /cgi-local/formmail.pl?recipient=formmailrogers at yahoo.com&subject=http://www.sunsetpres.org/cgi-local/formmail.pl&body=JupZ&email=kxq at aol.com HTTP/1.1" 404 227 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" 172.159.122.83 - - [31/Mar/2002:09:02:53 -0800] "GET /cgi-bin/formmail.cgi?recipient=formmailrogers at yahoo.com&subject=http://www.sunsetpres.org/cgi-bin/formmail.cgi&body=JupZ&email=yab at aol.com HTTP/1.1" 404 226 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" 172.159.122.83 - - [31/Mar/2002:09:02:53 -0800] "GET /cgi-local/formmail.cgi?recipient=formmailrogers at yahoo.com&subject=http://www.sunsetpres.org/cgi-local/formmail.cgi&body=JupZ&email=iuj at aol.com HTTP/1.1" 404 228 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" After looking at over 50 sets of these, I've noticed a couple of things: 1) They always come in sets of 4. 2) The email field appears to be randonly generated ... at aol.com 3) The recipient is constant for a given block of IP addresses, in this case formmailrogers at yahoo.com To me it looks like someone is using some kind of automated scanning tool to see if the site has a poorly configured Matt Wright formmail script. The tool user looks in their email account for URLs of potential targets. Is anyone else seeing URLs like this in their logs? Has anyone heard about a formmail exploit, or a scanning tool that looks for it? Also, if they're actually stupid enough to use a real email address that's potentially traceable, should I send my logs to someone who might arrest the little turds? Colin From richard.langis at sun.com Mon Apr 1 18:51:08 2002 From: richard.langis at sun.com (Richard Langis) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 10:51:08 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Scanning for formmail ... References: <20020401104001.B16021@dalsemi.com> Message-ID: <3CA8AC1C.6050503@sun.com> I've noticed it as well. I haven't parsed my logs to look for similarities, but I'm not hosting my site on my own box, so I'm not as worried about it. As long as I don't use formmmail.pl, I'm coo. ;) -R Colin Kuskie wrote: > I'm seeing a lot of entries in my apache access_log that look like > this: > > 172.159.122.83 - - [31/Mar/2002:09:02:53 -0800] "GET /cgi-bin/formmail.pl?recipient=formmailrogers at yahoo.com&subject=http://www.sunsetpres.org/cgi-bin/formmail.pl&body=JupZ&email=uru at aol.com HTTP/1.1" 404 225 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" > 172.159.122.83 - - [31/Mar/2002:09:02:53 -0800] "GET /cgi-local/formmail.pl?recipient=formmailrogers at yahoo.com&subject=http://www.sunsetpres.org/cgi-local/formmail.pl&body=JupZ&email=kxq at aol.com HTTP/1.1" 404 227 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" > 172.159.122.83 - - [31/Mar/2002:09:02:53 -0800] "GET /cgi-bin/formmail.cgi?recipient=formmailrogers at yahoo.com&subject=http://www.sunsetpres.org/cgi-bin/formmail.cgi&body=JupZ&email=yab at aol.com HTTP/1.1" 404 226 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" > 172.159.122.83 - - [31/Mar/2002:09:02:53 -0800] "GET /cgi-local/formmail.cgi?recipient=formmailrogers at yahoo.com&subject=http://www.sunsetpres.org/cgi-local/formmail.cgi&body=JupZ&email=iuj at aol.com HTTP/1.1" 404 228 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" > > After looking at over 50 sets of these, I've noticed a couple of things: From alex at daniloff.com Mon Apr 1 18:52:15 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 10:52:15 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] How to remove package name from rpm database In-Reply-To: <003701c1d99a$461189b0$7cf397d0@robby2k> Message-ID: <200204011852.g31IqFJ16787@gate.daniloff.com> Hello Linux folkz, Could somebody please remind me how to remove package name from rpm database? The initial package was corrupt during installation or download. Now I can't even uninstall it with ether --nodeps or -i --force flags I'm getting: script failed, exit status 1 The only option is to install newly loaded and verified prm package over the old one Thanks for any help or suggestions Alex From russj at dimstar.net Mon Apr 1 18:54:47 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: 01 Apr 2002 10:54:47 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Scanning for formmail ... In-Reply-To: <20020401104001.B16021@dalsemi.com> References: <20020401104001.B16021@dalsemi.com> Message-ID: <1017687288.23596.5.camel@ciclid.tripwire.com> Information about the exploit: http://www.mailvalley.com/formmail/ Russ On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 10:40, Colin Kuskie wrote: > Is anyone else seeing URLs like this in their logs? Has anyone heard > about a formmail exploit, or a scanning tool that looks for it? Also, > if they're actually stupid enough to use a real email address that's > potentially traceable, should I send my logs to someone who might > arrest the little turds? From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Mon Apr 1 19:08:09 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:08:09 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Scanning for formmail ... In-Reply-To: <3CA8AC1C.6050503@sun.com>; from richard.langis@sun.com on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 10:51:08AM -0800 References: <20020401104001.B16021@dalsemi.com> <3CA8AC1C.6050503@sun.com> Message-ID: <20020401110809.D16021@dalsemi.com> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 10:51:08AM -0800, Richard Langis wrote: > I've noticed it as well. I haven't parsed my logs to look for > similarities, but I'm not hosting my site on my own box, so I'm not as > worried about it. As long as I don't use formmmail.pl, I'm coo. ;) The parsing isn't hard: grep formmail /var/log/httpd/access_log* | \ perl -pe 's/^.+recipient=(.+?)\?.+/$1/;' > booger.list That's from memory but should be right. Colin From webfoot at easystreet.com Mon Apr 1 19:11:25 2002 From: webfoot at easystreet.com (Webfoot) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:11:25 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Scanning for formmail ... References: <20020401104001.B16021@dalsemi.com> Message-ID: <001d01c1d9b1$04e57570$1dd1a2d1@esactive.easystreet.com> Yes, there is an exploit that is widely used for spam. I have updated my scripts per: http://www.mailvalley.com/formmail/ Also, I would suggest renaming formmail.pl to some other name. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Day Tooley webfoot at easystreet.com www.webfooters.com www.fcc-oregon.org . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Kuskie" To: Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: [PLUG] Scanning for formmail ... > I'm seeing a lot of entries in my apache access_log that look like > this: > > 172.159.122.83 - - [31/Mar/2002:09:02:53 -0800] "GET /cgi-bin/formmail.pl?recipient=formmailrogers at yahoo.com&subject=http://www.s unsetpres.org/cgi-bin/formmail.pl&body=JupZ&email=uru at aol.com HTTP/1.1" 404 225 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" > 172.159.122.83 - - [31/Mar/2002:09:02:53 -0800] "GET /cgi-local/formmail.pl?recipient=formmailrogers at yahoo.com&subject=http://www .sunsetpres.org/cgi-local/formmail.pl&body=JupZ&email=kxq at aol.com HTTP/1.1" 404 227 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" > 172.159.122.83 - - [31/Mar/2002:09:02:53 -0800] "GET /cgi-bin/formmail.cgi?recipient=formmailrogers at yahoo.com&subject=http://www. sunsetpres.org/cgi-bin/formmail.cgi&body=JupZ&email=yab at aol.com HTTP/1.1" 404 226 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" > 172.159.122.83 - - [31/Mar/2002:09:02:53 -0800] "GET /cgi-local/formmail.cgi?recipient=formmailrogers at yahoo.com&subject=http://ww w.sunsetpres.org/cgi-local/formmail.cgi&body=JupZ&email=iuj at aol.com HTTP/1.1" 404 228 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" > > After looking at over 50 sets of these, I've noticed a couple of things: > > 1) They always come in sets of 4. > 2) The email field appears to be randonly generated ... at aol.com > 3) The recipient is constant for a given block of IP addresses, in this > case formmailrogers at yahoo.com > > To me it looks like someone is using some kind of automated scanning > tool to see if the site has a poorly configured Matt Wright formmail > script. The tool user looks in their email account for URLs of > potential targets. > > Is anyone else seeing URLs like this in their logs? Has anyone heard > about a formmail exploit, or a scanning tool that looks for it? Also, > if they're actually stupid enough to use a real email address that's > potentially traceable, should I send my logs to someone who might > arrest the little turds? > > Colin > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Mon Apr 1 19:19:52 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:19:52 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Scanning for formmail ... In-Reply-To: <001d01c1d9b1$04e57570$1dd1a2d1@esactive.easystreet.com>; from webfoot@easystreet.com on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 11:11:25AM -0800 References: <20020401104001.B16021@dalsemi.com> <001d01c1d9b1$04e57570$1dd1a2d1@esactive.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <20020401111952.E16021@dalsemi.com> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 11:11:25AM -0800, Webfoot wrote: > Yes, there is an exploit that is widely used for spam. > > I have updated my scripts per: > > http://www.mailvalley.com/formmail/ > > Also, I would suggest renaming formmail.pl to some other name. Well, we use a form to email gateway, but I wouldn't use anything from Matt Wright. A group of Perl programmers got together and put together some drop-in replacements for his scripts, except that they work right and don't have holes :) They're at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/nms-cgi/ Colin From Ben.Mazhary-Clark at nike.com Mon Apr 1 19:24:01 2002 From: Ben.Mazhary-Clark at nike.com (Mazhary-Clark, Ben) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:24:01 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] apt-get, https, and auth Message-ID: Fine members of the PLUGin' list, I want to do a Debian install on a system at work for testing reasons. My only concern is the APT facility. Our corporate firewall is pretty strict in that I bet I would only be able to do an apt-get through https with proxy username/password authentication. Now the actual question: Can apt-get work through an authenticated https proxy? Thanks, --ben (VxD on #orlug @ irc.openprojects.net) From aj at haightmail.org Mon Apr 1 19:45:33 2002 From: aj at haightmail.org (Aj Lavin) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:45:33 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Audio Extraction broken on Via 686b? Message-ID: <20020401194533.GB717@buckethead.localdomain> I cannot get digital audio extraction (DAE) to work on my new Shuttle FV25 motherboard. I am using a Sony CDU4011-10 ATAPI CD-ROM drive connected to the FV25's onboard VIA 686B controller. I use "cdparanoia -v 1-1". It says that /dev/hdc supports DAE, then starts the extraction but makes no progress. Then I get "hdc: lost interrupt" kernel messages every 10 seconds or so. Mounting and reading ISO CD-ROMs works fine, as does playing CDs through the audio connector. The Sony performs DAE fine when connected to an Intel 440BX motherboard. It fails when connected to either channel 0 or 1 of the the FV25 motherboard. I am using linux kernel 2.2.20 with the built-in ATAPI cdrom support. I have tried all combinations of enabling/disabling DMA in BIOS, in the "use DMA by default" kernel option, and enabling/disabling DMA using hdparm with the same result. What could be causing this problem? How do I fix it? -----------------------------dmesg-------------------------- Linux version 2.2.20 (root at buckethead) (gcc version 2.95.4 (Debian prerelease)) #1 Mon Apr 1 10:16:16 PST 2002 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0009f000 @ 00000000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 06ef0000 @ 00100000 (usable) Detected 864225 kHz processor. Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 1723.59 BogoMIPS Memory: 111820k/114624k available (904k kernel code, 412k reserved, 1444k data, 44k init) Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok. Dentry hash table entries: 16384 (order 5, 128k) Buffer cache hash table entries: 131072 (order 7, 512k) Page cache hash table entries: 32768 (order 5, 128k) CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K L1 D Cache: 64K CPU: L2 Cache: 16388K CPU: Centaur VIA Ezra stepping 08 Checking 386/387 coupling... OK, FPU using exception 16 error reporting. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfb440 PCI: Using configuration type 1 PCI: Probing PCI hardware Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0. NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 131072 bhash 65536) Starting kswapd v 1.5 Serial driver version 4.27 with no serial options enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39 VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd000-0xd007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0xd008-0xd00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio hda: ST34311A, ATA DISK drive hdc: CD-ROM CDU4011, ATAPI CDROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: ST34311A, 4126MB w/256kB Cache, CHS=526/255/63 hdc: ATAPI 40X CD-ROM drive, 120kB Cache Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.11 Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 rtl8139.c:v1.07 5/6/99 Donald Becker http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/rtl8139.html eth0: RealTek RTL8139 Fast Ethernet at 0xec00, IRQ 11, 00:30:1b:0b:07:d7. Partition check: hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x07 (Driver version 1.13) usb.c: registered new driver hub VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. Freeing unused kernel memory: 44k freed Adding Swap: 248996k swap-space (priority -1) Via 686a audio driver 1.1.8-2.2 ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, vendor id1: 0x5649, id2: 0x4161 (Unknown) via82cxxx: board #1 at 0xDC00, IRQ 5 i2c-core.o: i2c core module version 2.6.2 (20011118) i2c-viapro.o version 2.6.2 (20011118) i2c-viapro.o: Found Via VT82C686A/B device i2c-core.o: adapter SMBus Via Pro adapter at 5000 registered as adapter 0. i2c-viapro.o: Via Pro SMBus detected and initialized i2c-proc.o version 2.6.2 (20011118) eeprom.o version 2.6.2 (20011118) i2c-core.o: driver EEPROM READER registered. i2c-core.o: client [EEPROM chip] registered to adapter [SMBus Via Pro adapter at 5000](pos. 0). ---------dmesg: after cdparanoia starts------------------ VFS: Disk change detected on device ide1(22,0) hdc: lost interrupt hdc: lost interrupt hdc: lost interrupt hdc: lost interrupt hdc: lost interrupt hdc: lost interrupt hdc: lost interrupt hdc: lost interrupt hdc: lost interrupt hdc: lost interrupt hdc: lost interrupt ---------------------lspci--------------------------- 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8605 [ProSavage PM133] 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8605 [PM133 AGP] 00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super South] (rev 40) 00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 00:07.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 1a) 00:07.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 1a) 00:07.4 Bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] (rev 40) 00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) 00:0b.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller (rev 46) 00:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139 (rev 10) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc.: Unknown device 8d01 (rev 02) From richard.langis at sun.com Mon Apr 1 19:48:21 2002 From: richard.langis at sun.com (Richard Langis) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:48:21 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] apt-get, https, and auth References: Message-ID: <3CA8B985.8060003@sun.com> Did a little research here, and I found out how you do this: define environment variable http_proxy as http://user:pass at server:port and then use apt-get normally. Information gleaned from the sources.list manpages on drizzle. (thanks Karl!) -R Mazhary-Clark, Ben wrote: > Fine members of the PLUGin' list, > > I want to do a Debian install on a system at work for testing reasons. My > only concern is the APT facility. Our corporate firewall is pretty strict > in that I bet I would only be able to do an apt-get through https with proxy > username/password authentication. > > Now the actual question: > Can apt-get work through an authenticated https proxy? > > Thanks, > --ben > (VxD on #orlug @ irc.openprojects.net) > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- s u n m i c r o s y s t e m s ~ Richard Langis Jr. ~ richard.langis at sun.com From dmandel at pdxLinux.org Mon Apr 1 19:35:19 2002 From: dmandel at pdxLinux.org (David Mandel) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:35:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] ANNOUNCEMENT: April PLUG Meeting Message-ID: MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT The Portland Linux/Unix Group will meet 7 PM Thursday Apr 4, 2002 at Portland State University in the Smith Memorial Center Room 294/296 On the block bounded by SW Montgomery, SW Broadway (7th), SW Harrison, and SW Park (9th) ********************************************************** PRESENTATION Wiki Wiki by Ward Cunningham Ward Cunningham is the original developer of wikiwiki. 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In-Reply-To: <1017682127.14292.116.camel@obelisk.spek.org> References: <1017641458.14290.98.camel@obelisk.spek.org> <20020401143258.GD19810@javalinux.net> <1017682127.14292.116.camel@obelisk.spek.org> Message-ID: <20020401195633.GC24385@javalinux.net> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:28:47AM -0800, Brent Rieck wrote: > Thanks for the hints Nathan, > > On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 06:32, Nathan Meyers wrote: > > (BTW, the same sources you set up with rpmdrake are also used for the > > urpmi tool, which does auto-dependency stuff and generally makes it > > about as easy to load packages as APT does for Debian.) > > Unfortunatly the url/hdlist pair didn't work for me - but knowing that > rpmdrake was a companion to urpmi I found that in /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg I > could copy a (non-working) source with my trusty text editor that was > present in that file and "fool" rpmdrake into taking the (8.2-ized) url > you provided. 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TO SPEAK: * to an account manager about ATTENDING these courses or having them ONSITE contact us at (636) 343-1333 in the USA. Ask for HEATHER WILSON. * Fax (636) 343-8642 * Email: heather at pti-inc.com PTI SEMINARS, INC. "We Exceed Your Expectations!" * To unsubscribe please reply to heather at pti-inc.com and in the subject "Unsubscribe". We apologize for any inconvenience. From sandy at herring.org Mon Apr 1 20:36:49 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:36:49 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Scanning for formmail ... In-Reply-To: <3CA8AC1C.6050503@sun.com>; from richard.langis@sun.com on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 10:51:08AM -0800 References: <20020401104001.B16021@dalsemi.com> <3CA8AC1C.6050503@sun.com> Message-ID: <20020401123649.A14575@kippered.herring.org> I've been noticing these attempts since I moved my web site to my own server. I don't use formmail, so the poor lads were getting 404'd. I took pity on them and decided to toss them a bone :) http://herring.org/cgi-bin/formmail.pl cheers, Sandy On Mon, 01 Apr 2002, Richard Langis wrote: > I've noticed it as well. I haven't parsed my logs to look for > similarities, but I'm not hosting my site on my own box, so I'm not as > worried about it. As long as I don't use formmmail.pl, I'm coo. ;) > > -R > > Colin Kuskie wrote: > > > I'm seeing a lot of entries in my apache access_log that look like > > this: [some snippage has occurred] -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dzeut at microsharp.com Mon Apr 1 20:47:55 2002 From: dzeut at microsharp.com (Dale Zeut) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:47:55 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Mail bounces - error 550 Host unknown Message-ID: <200204012047.g31Kltw05894@microsharp.com> Starting last week we have been seeing a lot of bounces like the one below from two sites. The problem seems to be DNS but all machines at both of the sites are browsing OK and mail gets to us with no pronblem. This is happening with several mail servers not just with AOL. The only thing common to both sites is their reverse lookups are broke - but would that cause a host lookup error? Thanks in advance Dale Zeutenhorst Error messages as follows ---------- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:27:37 -0800 To: Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: aol.com: no data known) The original message was received at Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:27:36 -0800 from [192.168.1.xx] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: aol.com: no data known) From: xxx at xxx.com> Date: Monday, April 1, 2002 11:38 AM To: xxxxxx at aol.com Subject: test Hi I'm testing our e-mail system out. From heinlein at attbi.com Mon Apr 1 20:44:25 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:44:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] How to remove package name from rpm database In-Reply-To: <200204011852.g31IqFJ16787@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Alex Daniloff wrote: > Hello Linux folkz, > Could somebody please remind me how to remove package name from rpm > database? > > The initial package was corrupt during installation or download. > Now I can't even uninstall it with ether --nodeps or -i --force flags > I'm getting: > script failed, exit status 1 What's likely happening is that the pre- or post-uninstall script is failing to execute properly. Try this instead: rpm -evv --noscripts packagename If that fails, the -vv verbosity should give you a good hint as to what's amiss. -- Paul Heinlein From russj at dimstar.net Mon Apr 1 21:06:55 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: 01 Apr 2002 13:06:55 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Adv: Semiconductor Training Courses In-Reply-To: <200204012032.PAA06050@antigonus.hosting.swbell.net> References: <200204012032.PAA06050@antigonus.hosting.swbell.net> Message-ID: <1017695216.23596.8.camel@ciclid.tripwire.com> Was this supposed to be here, or is the list being spammed? On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 07:38, Heather Wilson wrote: > > > PTI Seminars is presenting the following courses for > semiconductor and electronic personnel.... (much deleted) > * To unsubscribe please reply to heather at pti-inc.com and in the > subject "Unsubscribe". We apologize for any inconvenience. Looks like a spam, talks like a spam... Russ From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 1 21:23:56 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:23:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Adv: Semiconductor Training Courses In-Reply-To: <1017695216.23596.8.camel@ciclid.tripwire.com> Message-ID: On 1 Apr 2002, Russ Johnson wrote: > Was this supposed to be here, or is the list being spammed? If it looks like SPAM, tastes like SPAM and leaves grease on the fingers like SPAM, it is spam. I received the same message last week. As I'm not an electrical engineer I thought they culled my name from the PLUG list, so I was surprised to see the exact same message appear here. Rich From dmandel at pdxLinux.org Mon Apr 1 21:38:57 2002 From: dmandel at pdxLinux.org (David Mandel) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:38:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] domain registration - cheap and simple? In-Reply-To: <3CA4B696.1070002@gregory.myftp.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Greg Long wrote: > This is far more difficult than I thought it would be. > > It seems most (all?) of these registration services offer a ton of > services I have no need for.... > > www.tzo.com - excellent premier service - they even feature an app which > runs on your server and will automatically change the IP address on > their dynamic DNS servers if it changes. $59.95/year though. > Yes, no one makes much money from domain registration. They run the service as a way to lead people to their other services. Most of the cheaper registration services almost force you into their services. I like: TZO - You described them very well already. Easyspace.com - They are out of UK. They are reasonable cheap - not dirt cheap and have a nice web interface which allows you to use their DNS or to point to your own DNS which is what I do. I have several domain thru them and I've been happy so far. Dotster.com - Dale Zeutenhorst uses them and has had good experiences. Like Easyspace.com, Dotster is cheap, and they have a nice web interface. They are also local - Vancouver, Wa based. Sincerely, David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 1440 NE 59th Portland, Oregon 97213 (360) 260-2066 at work (541) 730-5285 cell ====================================================================== David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com Other Affiliations David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org ====================================================================== From hapibeli at save-net.com Mon Apr 1 16:41:40 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:41:40 -0500 Subject: [PLUG] Floppyfw Message-ID: <20020401220015.37B553C2A1@server10.safepages.com> Floppyfw calls for a ppp-up.ini file to run ppp but I can find it nowhere. Not on the floppyfw-current-img , 1.9.19.img, current-pppoe.img, etc.. Am I looking in the wrong files? I've personalized my /config file as per the HOWTOS. BTW , is INSIDE_NETWORK= 192.168.255.255 a valid number? Dirk From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Mon Apr 1 22:51:12 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:51:12 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Scanning for formmail ... In-Reply-To: <20020401123649.A14575@kippered.herring.org>; from sandy@herring.org on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 12:36:49PM -0800 References: <20020401104001.B16021@dalsemi.com> <3CA8AC1C.6050503@sun.com> <20020401123649.A14575@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: <20020401145112.F16021@dalsemi.com> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 12:36:49PM -0800, Sandy Herring wrote: > I've been noticing these attempts since I moved my web site to my own > server. I don't use formmail, so the poor lads were getting 404'd. I took > pity on them and decided to toss them a bone :) > > http://herring.org/cgi-bin/formmail.pl I like it. However, looking at the URL leads me to believe that they look in their mailboxes for successful URLs for formmail abuse. How about modifying it to send them an email saying "bite me" :) Colin From sean_whitney at bigfoot.com Mon Apr 1 22:52:23 2002 From: sean_whitney at bigfoot.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:52:23 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: From the Office of Senator Cantwell Message-ID: <20020401225225.1BEC02EE0B@einstein.seansdomain.org> FYI ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: From the Office of Senator Cantwell Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:51:55 -0500 From: To: April 1, 2002 Mr. Sean Whitney 3309 NE 133rd Court Vancouver, Washington 98682 Dear Mr. Whitney: Thank you for contacting me regarding the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act, S. 2048. This act was formerly known as the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (SSSCA). I appreciate hearing your concerns. As you are aware, Senator Hollings introduced S. 2048 on March 21, 2002. The bill has been referred to the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee. This legislation would mandate the development of technological protection measures to be implemented and enforced by federal regulations. I understand your concern that we must work to achieve the right balance between protecting copyrights and remunerating the creators of those works and reasonable consumer use of copyrighted works. Indeed, the pace of innovation requires a diligent consideration of both of these interests. I believe that the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DCMA) passed in 1998 helps to accomplish this goal. We need to continue to encourage innovation in technology while protecting the intellectual property rights of inventors, artists, authors and musicians. The DMCA prohibits circumvention of technological protection measures and the trafficking of such technology. Thus, the law facilitates legitimate distribution of copyrighted work by allowing for the use of technological measures by the copyright holder and providing legal protections for those measures. You should know, however, that I will not be supportive of legislation that unduly limits technological innovation or consumers' rights. At this relatively early point in the development of digital distribution of copyrighted works, the U.S. Copyright Office has recommended that Congress make no significant changes to copyright law right now. As a member of the Judiciary Committee, which has jurisdiction over copyright law, I will be actively considering these issues. Please be assured that should S. 2048 come before the Senate, I will keep your concerns in mind. Again, thank you for contacting me, and please do not hesitate to do so in the future if I can be of further assistance. Sincerely, Maria Cantwell United States Senator ------------------------------------------------------- -- Then there was the ScoutMaster who got a fantastic deal on this case of Tates brand compasses for his troup; only $1.25 each! Only problem was, when they got them out in the woods, the compasses were all stuck pointing to the "W" on the dial. Moral: He who has a Tates is lost! From russj at dimstar.net Mon Apr 1 22:59:02 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: 01 Apr 2002 14:59:02 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Adv: Semiconductor Training Courses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1017701943.23596.11.camel@ciclid.tripwire.com> So who's job (ugh) is it to inform Heather that her messages aren't welcome in the list? Assuming of course that my sentiments are shared. :) Russ On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 13:23, Rich Shepard wrote: > On 1 Apr 2002, Russ Johnson wrote: > > > Was this supposed to be here, or is the list being spammed? > > If it looks like SPAM, tastes like SPAM and leaves grease on the fingers > like SPAM, it is spam. I received the same message last week. > > As I'm not an electrical engineer I thought they culled my name from the > PLUG list, so I was surprised to see the exact same message appear here. From montagne at boora.com Mon Apr 1 22:59:18 2002 From: montagne at boora.com (Michael Montagne) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:59:18 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Parsing ls output Message-ID: <20020401225918.GC6294@boora.com> Ok I've successfully manages to return t list of files on my FTP site that are older than 180 days and excluding a set of directories that are exempt from purging. I used the find command and some worthy instruction from this list. Now I'd like to print a report before I purge them all. I need Filename, date modified, and size. I don't want all the permissions and owner/group stuff you get with ls -al. It seems awk is a good tool for the job except that some of these file names have spaces. Lots of spaces. Some are veritable essays. I'm having trouble getting the filename parsed out using awk. What are my other options? -- Michael Montagne montagne at boora.com http://www.boora.com From smathews at pcez.com Mon Apr 1 23:00:59 2002 From: smathews at pcez.com (Stuart Mathews) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 15:00:59 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Adv: Semiconductor Training Courses References: <1017701943.23596.11.camel@ciclid.tripwire.com> Message-ID: <3CA8E6AB.DAC58970@pcez.com> > So who's job (ugh) is it to inform Heather that her messages aren't > welcome in the list? > > Assuming of course that my sentiments are shared. :) > > If it is determined that such action is appropriate, I'll volunteer to let "Heather" know her advertisements are no longer needed at pdxlinux. From sandy at herring.org Mon Apr 1 23:12:39 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:12:39 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Scanning for formmail ... In-Reply-To: <20020401145112.F16021@dalsemi.com>; from ckuskie@dalsemi.com on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 02:51:12PM -0800 References: <20020401104001.B16021@dalsemi.com> <3CA8AC1C.6050503@sun.com> <20020401123649.A14575@kippered.herring.org> <20020401145112.F16021@dalsemi.com> Message-ID: <20020401151239.B14575@kippered.herring.org> On Mon, 01 Apr 2002, Colin Kuskie wrote: > On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 12:36:49PM -0800, Sandy Herring wrote: > > I've been noticing these attempts since I moved my web site to my own > > server. I don't use formmail, so the poor lads were getting 404'd. I took > > pity on them and decided to toss them a bone :) > > > > http://herring.org/cgi-bin/formmail.pl > > I like it. However, looking at the URL leads me to believe that they > look in their mailboxes for successful URLs for formmail abuse. How > about modifying it to send them an email saying "bite me" :) > > Colin heh. Great idea. As soon as I shake this danged flu and stop taking mind numbing meds, I'll cobble that together :) cheers, Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't want > all the permissions and owner/group stuff you get with ls -al. It seems > awk is a good tool for the job except that some of these file names have > spaces. Lots of spaces. Some are veritable essays. I'm having trouble > getting the filename parsed out using awk. > What are my other options? > > -- > Michael Montagne > montagne at boora.com > http://www.boora.com -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From heinlein at attbi.com Mon Apr 1 23:26:12 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:26:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Parsing ls output In-Reply-To: <20020401151704.C14575@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: > Since the output columns are a fixed width, the simplest approach > would be to use `cut'. Awk is good, too: /bin/ls -l | gawk '{printf ("%-40s %s %2s %5s %10s\n",$9,$6,$7,$8,$5)}' -- Paul Heinlein From derek at infotects.com Mon Apr 1 23:31:36 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 15:31:36 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Audio Extraction broken on Via 686b? References: <20020401194533.GB717@buckethead.localdomain> Message-ID: <3CA8EDD8.509FF6C1@infotects.com> Hi Aj, Aj Lavin wrote: > I cannot get digital audio extraction (DAE) to work on my new Shuttle > FV25 motherboard. I am using a Sony CDU4011-10 ATAPI CD-ROM drive > connected to the FV25's onboard VIA 686B controller. > > I use "cdparanoia -v 1-1". It says that /dev/hdc supports DAE, then > starts the extraction but makes no progress. Then I get "hdc: lost > interrupt" kernel messages every 10 seconds or so. > > Mounting and reading ISO CD-ROMs works fine, as does playing CDs > through the audio connector. > > The Sony performs DAE fine when connected to an Intel 440BX > motherboard. It fails when connected to either channel 0 or 1 of the > the FV25 motherboard. Looks like you've found the problem, something between your Sony and the VIA chipset. > > I am using linux kernel 2.2.20 with the built-in ATAPI cdrom > support. I have tried all combinations of enabling/disabling DMA in > BIOS, in the "use DMA by default" kernel option, and > enabling/disabling DMA using hdparm with the same result. > > What could be causing this problem? How do I fix it? I'm not sure it can be fixed, short of getting a new chipset (with MB). Here are some things to try though. Have you tried setting it as slave instead of master (leave it on the secondary channel)? Or how about setting up the ide-scsi emulation, and use it as a scsi device instead? And, if desperate, you may be able to get it to work with an off-board controller (Promise or Maxtor ide controller), it may be less expensive than a new MB (but probably not less expensive than a new CD ROM). Good Luck Derek Loree From hapibeli at save-net.com Mon Apr 1 20:26:22 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:26:22 -0500 Subject: [PLUG] Pigeon Rank Message-ID: <20020401233407.8FD2D2AA93@server5.safepages.com> This from Google; Dirk From rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com Mon Apr 1 23:37:29 2002 From: rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:37:29 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: From the Office of Senator Cantwell Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463AC29@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Rarely is so little said with so much. -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Whitney [mailto:sean_whitney at bigfoot.com] > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 2:52 PM > To: PLUG > Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: From the Office of Senator Cantwell > > > FYI > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: From the Office of Senator Cantwell > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:51:55 -0500 > From: > To: > > April 1, 2002 > > > > Mr. Sean Whitney > 3309 NE 133rd Court > Vancouver, Washington 98682 > > > Dear Mr. Whitney: > > Thank you for contacting me regarding the Consumer Broadband > and Digital > Television Promotion Act, S. 2048. This act was formerly known as the > Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (SSSCA). I > appreciate > hearing your concerns. > > As you are aware, Senator Hollings introduced S. 2048 on > March 21, 2002. > The bill has been referred to the Senate Commerce, Science and > Transportation Committee. This legislation would mandate the > development > of technological protection measures to be implemented and enforced by > federal regulations. > > I understand your concern that we must work to achieve the > right balance > between protecting copyrights and remunerating the creators > of those works > and reasonable consumer use of copyrighted works. Indeed, the pace of > innovation requires a diligent consideration of both of these > interests. > I believe that the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DCMA) > passed in 1998 > helps to accomplish this goal. We need to continue to encourage > innovation in technology while protecting the intellectual > property rights > of inventors, artists, authors and musicians. The DMCA prohibits > circumvention of technological protection measures and the > trafficking of > such technology. Thus, the law facilitates legitimate distribution of > copyrighted work by allowing for the use of technological > measures by the > copyright holder and providing legal protections for those > measures. You > should know, however, that I will not be supportive of > legislation that > unduly limits technological innovation or consumers' rights. > > At this relatively early point in the development of digital > distribution > of copyrighted works, the U.S. Copyright Office has recommended that > Congress make no significant changes to copyright law right now. As a > member of the Judiciary Committee, which has jurisdiction > over copyright > law, I will be actively considering these issues. Please be > assured that > should S. 2048 come before the Senate, I will keep your > concerns in mind. > > Again, thank you for contacting me, and please do not > hesitate to do so in > the future if I can be of further assistance. > Sincerely, > > Maria Cantwell > United States Senator > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Then there was the ScoutMaster who got a fantastic deal on > this case of > Tates brand compasses for his troup; only $1.25 each! Only > problem was, > when they got them out in the woods, the compasses were all > stuck pointing > to the "W" on the dial. > > Moral: > He who has a Tates is lost! > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From cp at onsitetech.com Mon Apr 1 23:16:58 2002 From: cp at onsitetech.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:16:58 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Parsing ls output References: <20020401225918.GC6294@boora.com> Message-ID: <004301c1d9d3$52a9ef80$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Montagne" To: Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 2:59 PM Subject: [PLUG] Parsing ls output > Ok I've successfully manages to return t list of files on my FTP site > that are older than 180 days and excluding a set of directories that are > exempt from purging. I used the find command and some worthy > instruction from this list. Now I'd like to print a report before I > purge them all. I need Filename, date modified, and size. I don't want > all the permissions and owner/group stuff you get with ls -al. It seems > awk is a good tool for the job except that some of these file names have > spaces. Lots of spaces. Some are veritable essays. I'm having trouble > getting the filename parsed out using awk. > What are my other options? Well, I'm not sure exactly what your list looks like, so for the sake of argument, let's assume you have a file with one filename per line. Feed that as an argument to this little Perl script: while(<>){ print; next if ! $_; chomp; if ( ! -e ) { print "Cannot find $_\n"; } else { print "Last modified: ",-M, "\tFile size: ",-s,"\n\n"; } } You may want to play with that to get the exact format of the output you would like. Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe ===== "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ Someone asked me how to count to 10 in Perl: push at A,$_ for reverse q.e...q.n.;for(@A){$_=unpack(q|c|,$_);@a=split//; shift at a;shift at a if $a[$[]eq$[;$_=join q||, at a};print $_,$/for reverse @A From rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com Tue Apr 2 00:23:28 2002 From: rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:23:28 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Scanning for formmail ... Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463AC35@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> > From: Colin Kuskie [mailto:ckuskie at dalsemi.com] > Is anyone else seeing URLs like this in their logs? Has anyone heard > about a formmail exploit, or a scanning tool that looks for it? Also, > if they're actually stupid enough to use a real email address that's > potentially traceable, should I send my logs to someone who might > arrest the little turds? There is a problem with Formmail prior to version 1.9 which allows the attacker to send messages to arbitrary email addresses. This makes you the source of their SPAM. v1.9 was released early last August to correct this problem. You can read a full description at: http://worldwidemart.com/scripts/formmail.shtml -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From steve at wirex.net Tue Apr 2 00:35:32 2002 From: steve at wirex.net (Steve Beattie) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:35:32 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Parsing ls output In-Reply-To: References: <20020401151704.C14575@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: <20020402003531.GB21332@wirex.net> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 03:26:12PM -0800, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: > > > Since the output columns are a fixed width, the simplest approach > > would be to use `cut'. > > Awk is good, too: > > /bin/ls -l | gawk '{printf ("%-40s %s %2s %5s %10s\n",$9,$6,$7,$8,$5)}' Except that it's not, note that he said several files have spaces in them and that's what awk is using as a field seperator: [kryten steve]$ touch "testing 1 2 3" [kryten steve]$ /bin/ls -l | gawk '{printf ("%-40s %s %2s %5s %10s\n",$9,$6,$7,$8,$5)}' | grep ^testing testing Apr 1 16:27 0 [kryten steve]$ ls -l testing ls: testing: No such file or directory -- Steve Beattie Don't trust programmers? Complete StackGuard distro at http://NxNW.org/~steve/ immunix.org http://www.personaltelco.net -- overthrowing QWest, one block at a time. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 2 00:38:44 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:38:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Spam: I wonder ... Message-ID: I filed a complaint (with substantiating evidence) with the Oregon Department of Justice's Civil Enforcement Division about fax spam. After three copies, the victim -- er, recipient -- has a valid complaint. As the letter from the DoJ to the offender states: "Oregon Revised Statute 646.872 states that once a business has received notice not to send further transmissions, it is a violation of the law to send another such transmission for a period of one calendar year from the date that the notice is given. ... Each subsequent transmission is potentially subject to fines and penalties of up to $25,000 per incident plus the cost of investigation and legal action if necessary. We believe that this fax transmission may also violate the federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act if you are sending to people with whom you have no established business relationship." Because spam comes in to my network via the telephone lines I wonder if this statute applies to spammers, too. I sure hope so! And I'll find out. Rich From brucek at kingkon.com Tue Apr 2 00:41:59 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:41:59 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] security? In-Reply-To: <3CA63ABF.4070601@pacifier.com>; from sandbox@pacifier.com on Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 02:22:55PM -0800 References: <20020324145658.F845@defiant.kingkon.com> <3C9E5F2F.2040104@jhenshaw.com> <20020328164608.C675@defiant.kingkon.com> <5 <20020328203641.Q675@defiant.kingkon.com> <1017421964.6756.3.camel@ciclid.tripwire.com> <3CA4FA2C.2040909@easystreet.com> <1017445949.7780.21.camel@ciclid.tripwire.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020330115732.02960de8@mail.localnet.dimstar.net> <3CA63ABF.4070601@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020401164159.F713@defiant.kingkon.com> Kyle Accardi's Log: StarDate 0330.1422: > Russ Johnson wrote: > > At 11:18 PM 3/29/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >> So, in general, are you saying that I can probably use sftp to upload > >> to a website instead of ftp? I guess the reason that most of the > >> common tools are ftp based, gFtp etc, is that what most of us have on > >> our personal websites isn't worth protecting(:-). > > > > > > Only if the other end supports sftp. I suggest trying it, and complain > > to the sysadmin if it doesn't work. > > > > As far as what's worth protecting, if you are responsible for the > > content, then I'd think it would be worth protecting. :) > > The main point that IPSs don't get is that if you can only upload/maintain > your website using plaintext passwords, a compromise yields a shell account > on their server. Pacifier offers web-based email (although I've never > gotten it to work), but the web interface is unencrypted and requires your > shell account password. I told them how stupid this is, they don't care. > > To their credit, ssh/sftp is supported. SSH works, as I have been using it for about 2 years; but I haven't gotten sftp to work. I think that may be because they aren't using linux. Last I checked, it was FreeBSD. I don't think they're using OpenSSH. And now that they're owned by US.NET, they are a windows/mac shop. My ability to get support from them on linux is *zero*. Any support question is answered with "What OS are you running?". When you reply with "Linux", they say "Sorry, that's an unsupported OS; we can't assist you with _any_ issues - even if it might be _our_ problem!". So, by this time next year, they won't be my ISP. -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Tue Apr 2 00:42:03 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:42:03 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Spam: I wonder ... In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 04:38:44PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20020401164203.I16021@dalsemi.com> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 04:38:44PM -0800, Rich Shepard wrote: > I filed a complaint (with substantiating evidence) with the Oregon > Department of Justice's Civil Enforcement Division about fax spam. After > three copies, the victim -- er, recipient -- has a valid complaint. As the > letter from the DoJ to the offender states: > > "Oregon Revised Statute 646.872 states that once a business has received > notice not to send further transmissions, it is a violation of the law to > send another such transmission for a period of one calendar year from the > date that the notice is given. ... Each subsequent transmission is > potentially subject to fines and penalties of up to $25,000 per incident > plus the cost of investigation and legal action if necessary. We believe > that this fax transmission may also violate the federal Telephone Consumer > Protection Act if you are sending to people with whom you have no > established business relationship." > > Because spam comes in to my network via the telephone lines I wonder if > this statute applies to spammers, too. I sure hope so! And I'll find out. Let us know! I wonder if the scanning attempts to use formmail as a spam relay counts, too. BTW, what constitutes a "business", per se? Is anyone who sends spam considered a business? Colin From brucek at kingkon.com Tue Apr 2 00:49:57 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:49:57 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Journaling file systems info In-Reply-To: <20020329183356.4386D10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com>; from deanm@sharplabs.com on Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 10:33:56AM -0800 References: <20020329183356.4386D10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Message-ID: <20020401164957.G713@defiant.kingkon.com> Dean S. Messing's Log: StarDate 0329.1033: > > :: Go to http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-fs9.html > :: > :: Charles > > A nice site. > > Anyone know, off hand, if the latest `dump' and `restore' will work with > XFS (or ReiserFS for that matter)? I know it works with ext3. > > As an aside, there has been at least one person on the Mandrake-experts > list who claimed that he ended up with several trashed files (filled with > nulls) under XFS when power was cut to his system. I've had system lockups under ext3 with no loss of data, and very fast reboots even with 'unclean' shutdowns in the fsck step. What I haven't learned (altho it may be addressed in the above reference, haven't read it yet) is how to create an ext3 fs, or upgrade an existing ext2fs to ext3, other than during a RH7.2 install. When I add a drive to an existing system, I can't seem to create partitions on that drive in ext3, but I can create ext2 partitions just fine. And until now, I haven't seen any such instructions. -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From krisa at subtend.net Tue Apr 2 00:52:24 2002 From: krisa at subtend.net (Kris) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:52:24 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] wmaker icon Message-ID: <20020402005224.GA5360@navi.subtend.net> Small, irritating issue. Have one icon for executing "rxvt -plus -bunch -of options". Nice and docked and no application icon so I can run multiple copies. >From a rxvt, I run another "rxvt -options -with -e ssh navi" and drag the application icon into my doc. The problem is when I change the icon of the ssh version, the standard rxvt icon changes with it. I just want two different icons for each rxvt icon. -- I'm just a packet pusher. From rddunlap at osdl.org Tue Apr 2 00:51:53 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:51:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Journaling file systems info In-Reply-To: <20020401164957.G713@defiant.kingkon.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: | Dean S. Messing's Log: StarDate 0329.1033: | > | > :: Go to http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-fs9.html | > :: | > :: Charles | > | > A nice site. | > | > As an aside, there has been at least one person on the Mandrake-experts | > list who claimed that he ended up with several trashed files (filled with | > nulls) under XFS when power was cut to his system. | | I've had system lockups under ext3 with no loss of data, and very fast | reboots even with 'unclean' shutdowns in the fsck step. | | What I haven't learned (altho it may be addressed in the above | reference, haven't read it yet) is how to create an ext3 fs, or | upgrade an existing ext2fs to ext3, other than during a RH7.2 install. | When I add a drive to an existing system, I can't seem to create | partitions on that drive in ext3, but I can create ext2 partitions | just fine. And until now, I haven't seen any such instructions. Unofficial Linux filesystems web page is at http://www.osdl.org/archive/rddunlap/linux-fs.html For ext3 conversion/usage: Begin at http://www.zip.com.au/~akpm/linux/ext3/ and follow to http://www.zip.com.au/~akpm/linux/ext3/ext3-usage.html -- ~Randy From brucek at kingkon.com Tue Apr 2 00:55:23 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:55:23 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Getting USB to work? In-Reply-To: ; from eharrison@mail.mesd.k12.or.us on Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 09:11:18PM -0800 References: <20020328205414.R675@defiant.kingkon.com> Message-ID: <20020401165523.H713@defiant.kingkon.com> Eric Harrison's Log: StarDate 0328.2111: > On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > >Greg KH's Log: StarDate 0328.2015: > >> > >> Take a look at the Linux USB FAQ and Guide at http://www.linux-usb.org/ > >> for all sorts of good information. > > > >I did. There's alot of data there, and I don't have a continuous > >connection. It would be cool if sites like this had a "download the > >entire doc" file, that I could peruse offline while working out the > >issues. > > wget --mirror http://www.linux-usb.org/ OK. another reason to complete the transition from rh5.2 to rh7.2 on my laptop. wget isn't part of the older distro. -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brucek at kingkon.com Tue Apr 2 00:59:10 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:59:10 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Getting USB to work? In-Reply-To: <87eli35hdu.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com>; from karlheg@microsharp.com on Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 11:00:13AM -0800 References: <20020328184250.K675@defiant.kingkon.com> <87eli35hdu.fsf@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Message-ID: <20020401165909.I713@defiant.kingkon.com> Karl M. Hegbloom's Log: StarDate 0329.1100: > >>>>> "Bruce" == Bruce Kingsland writes: > > Bruce> I'm sure it's me, but I can't seem to get USB devices > Bruce> configured. I note that the usb-uhci mod is installed in > Bruce> the kernel, but I dunno how to get it to see a USB printer, > Bruce> or a USB web-cam, or a USB smart-card reader. > > Bruce> All ideas will be wonderful! > > # apt-get install hotplug Someday, I'll learn the equivalent command to use at a redhat prompt. > Works for me. I have "hid" for my USB APC UPS and a beta copy of > "apcupsd" running, plus I use a USB webcam and a Microsoft USB > optical wheel mouse. Worked the first time with no configuration > other than setting things for the correct device. > > % apt-cache show hotplug > Package: hotplug > Status: install ok installed > Priority: optional > Section: admin > Installed-Size: 136 > Maintainer: Fumitoshi UKAI > Version: 0.0.20020114-6 > Replaces: usbmgr > Depends: modutils (>= 2.4.2), debconf (>= 0.2.26) > Recommends: ifupdown, usbutils, pciutils, bsdutils > Suggests: hotplug-utils > Conflicts: usbmgr > Conffiles: > /etc/hotplug/usb.distmap 1a55651bfb3f39d9c5fecd94088b41a9 > /etc/hotplug/usb.handmap b73066018a3e9dce3bc20bdb783a1691 > /etc/hotplug/hotplug.functions 0ca697cef14ae57029bfd37d1b08758e > /etc/hotplug/ieee1394.agent 3246ca7990ae596e2c4f5eca23015bc7 > /etc/hotplug/net.agent e36a040d045a305a02a3faef84b5455f > /etc/hotplug/pci.agent fbdb6a42c4801aaa7184700d7f121b7e > /etc/hotplug/usb.agent cc6adaae5e09a40e68e153608cd6a790 > /etc/hotplug/usb.rc ef8f23150f367fe62ff3093f50e277c4 > /etc/logcheck/ignore.d/hotplug a3c30b54c9fb96a53cf33e9410a61d99 > /etc/init.d/hotplug fd400a8ecd8bb7ab73454450ff7d7c94 > Description: Linux Hotplug Scripts > This package contains the scripts necessary for hotplug Linux support, > and lets you plug in new devices and use them immediately. > Initially, it includes support for USB and PCI (Cardbus) devices, > and can automatically configure network interfaces. > > -- > mailto: (Karl M. Hegbloom) karlheg at microsharp.com > Free the Software http://www.debian.org/social_contract > http://www.microsharp.com > phone://USA/WA/360-260-2066 -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And until now, I haven't seen any such instructions. > > -bk > -- -- ---- Aaron Baer judah at opusnet.com http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/ From aj at haightmail.org Tue Apr 2 01:21:21 2002 From: aj at haightmail.org (Aj Lavin) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:21:21 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Audio Extraction broken on Via 686b? In-Reply-To: <3CA8EDD8.509FF6C1@infotects.com> References: <20020401194533.GB717@buckethead.localdomain> <3CA8EDD8.509FF6C1@infotects.com> Message-ID: <20020402012121.GA269@buckethead.localdomain> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 03:31:36PM -0800, Derek Loree wrote: > Hi Aj, > > Aj Lavin wrote: > > > I cannot get digital audio extraction (DAE) to work on my new > > Shuttle FV25 motherboard. I am using a Sony CDU4011-10 ATAPI > > CD-ROM drive connected to the FV25's onboard VIA 686B controller. > > > > I use "cdparanoia -v 1-1". It says that /dev/hdc supports DAE, > > then starts the extraction but makes no progress. Then I get "hdc: > > lost interrupt" kernel messages every 10 seconds or so. > > > > Mounting and reading ISO CD-ROMs works fine, as does playing CDs > > through the audio connector. > > > > The Sony performs DAE fine when connected to an Intel 440BX > > motherboard. It fails when connected to either channel 0 or 1 of > > the the FV25 motherboard. > > Looks like you've found the problem, something between your Sony and > the VIA chipset. > > > > > I am using linux kernel 2.2.20 with the built-in ATAPI cdrom > > support. I have tried all combinations of enabling/disabling DMA > > in BIOS, in the "use DMA by default" kernel option, and > > enabling/disabling DMA using hdparm with the same result. > > > > What could be causing this problem? How do I fix it? > > I'm not sure it can be fixed, short of getting a new chipset (with > MB). Here are some things to try though. Have you tried setting it > as slave instead of master (leave it on the secondary channel)? Hi Derek. Thanks for the tips. I already tried putting the CD as a slave on the second channel. It made no difference. > Or how about setting up the ide-scsi emulation, and use it as a scsi > device instead? Ok, I just tried this, and it didn't work, but I get more diagnostic info. From the kernel: scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 127, scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 UNKNOWN(0xbe) 00 00 00 00 07 00 00 0d f8 00 00 hdc: lost interrupt ide-scsi: The scsi wants to send us more data than expected - discarding data ide-scsi: transferred 7056 of 11760 bytes scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 128, scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 UNKNOWN(0xbe) 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 0d f8 00 00 hdc: lost interrupt ide-scsi: The scsi wants to send us more data than expected - discarding data ide-scsi: transferred 7056 of 11760 bytes scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 129, scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 UNKNOWN(0xbe) 00 00 00 00 21 00 00 0d f8 00 00 hdc: lost interrupt ide-scsi: The scsi wants to send us more data than expected - discarding data ide-scsi: transferred 7056 of 11760 bytes ... Any ideas? hdparm tells me DMA is turned off and switching it on doesn't help. > And, if desperate, you may be able to get it to work with an > off-board controller (Promise or Maxtor ide controller), it may be > less expensive than a new MB (but probably not less expensive than a > new CD ROM). I am rather attached to this motherboard because of the Flex-ATX form factor and the case that goes along with it (Shuttle SV25). I suppose I will try an ide controller card if all else fails. Aj From briand at aracnet.com Tue Apr 2 01:43:59 2002 From: briand at aracnet.com (briand at aracnet.com) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:43:59 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: From the Office of Senator Cantwell In-Reply-To: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463AC29@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463AC29@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: <15529.3295.584514.411008@soggy.deldotd.com> >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Rasmussen writes: Michael> Rarely is so little said with so much. Very well put. Although she did think the DMCA was a good idea, which pretty much tells you everything you need to know. Brian From montagne at boora.com Tue Apr 2 01:54:21 2002 From: montagne at boora.com (Michael Montagne) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:54:21 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Parsing ls output In-Reply-To: <20020402003531.GB21332@wirex.net> References: <20020402003531.GB21332@wirex.net> Message-ID: <20020402015421.GC8217@boora.com> >On 01/04/02, from the brain of Steve Beattie tumbled: > On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 03:26:12PM -0800, Paul Heinlein wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: > > > > > Since the output columns are a fixed width, the simplest approach > > > would be to use `cut'. > > > > Awk is good, too: > > > > /bin/ls -l | gawk '{printf ("%-40s %s %2s %5s > %10s\n",$9,$6,$7,$8,$5)}' > > Except that it's not, note that he said several files have spaces in > them and that's what awk is using as a field seperator: > > [kryten steve]$ touch "testing 1 2 3" > [kryten steve]$ /bin/ls -l | gawk '{printf ("%-40s %s %2s %5s > %10s\n",$9,$6,$7,$8,$5)}' | grep ^testing > testing Apr 1 16:27 0 > [kryten steve]$ ls -l testing > ls: testing: No such file or directory > > True. It appears the best solution is to use cut to get the full filename and them use perl (or python) to nicely format a report adding in the details like modification time and file size. -- Michael Montagne montagne at boora.com http://www.boora.com From pluglist at bratgrrl.com Tue Apr 2 02:11:10 2002 From: pluglist at bratgrrl.com (Carla Schroder) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:11:10 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: From the Office of Senator Cantwell In-Reply-To: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463AC29@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463AC29@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: <200204020158.g321wKw14629@smtp.easystreet.com> I thought it was crystal clear. "I will not be supportive of legislation that unduly limits technological innovation or consumers' rights." That's doubletalk for she supports the dang thing. But then, what would you expect from a Real Networks alumnus, the grand champions of customer data abuse? Carla On Monday 01 April 2002 03:37 pm, you wrote: > Rarely is so little said with so much. > > -- > Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management > voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com > http://www.columbiafunds.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sean Whitney [mailto:sean_whitney at bigfoot.com] > > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 2:52 PM > > To: PLUG > > Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: From the Office of Senator Cantwell > > > > > > FYI > > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > > > Subject: From the Office of Senator Cantwell > > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:51:55 -0500 > > From: > > To: > > > > April 1, 2002 > > > > > > > > Mr. Sean Whitney > > 3309 NE 133rd Court > > Vancouver, Washington 98682 > > > > > > Dear Mr. Whitney: > > > > Thank you for contacting me regarding the Consumer Broadband > > and Digital > > Television Promotion Act, S. 2048. This act was formerly known as the > > Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (SSSCA). I > > appreciate > > hearing your concerns. > > > > As you are aware, Senator Hollings introduced S. 2048 on > > March 21, 2002. > > The bill has been referred to the Senate Commerce, Science and > > Transportation Committee. This legislation would mandate the > > development > > of technological protection measures to be implemented and enforced by > > federal regulations. > > > > I understand your concern that we must work to achieve the > > right balance > > between protecting copyrights and remunerating the creators > > of those works > > and reasonable consumer use of copyrighted works. Indeed, the pace of > > innovation requires a diligent consideration of both of these > > interests. > > I believe that the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DCMA) > > passed in 1998 > > helps to accomplish this goal. We need to continue to encourage > > innovation in technology while protecting the intellectual > > property rights > > of inventors, artists, authors and musicians. The DMCA prohibits > > circumvention of technological protection measures and the > > trafficking of > > such technology. Thus, the law facilitates legitimate distribution of > > copyrighted work by allowing for the use of technological > > measures by the > > copyright holder and providing legal protections for those > > measures. You > > should know, however, that I will not be supportive of > > legislation that > > unduly limits technological innovation or consumers' rights. > > > > At this relatively early point in the development of digital > > distribution > > of copyrighted works, the U.S. Copyright Office has recommended that > > Congress make no significant changes to copyright law right now. As a > > member of the Judiciary Committee, which has jurisdiction > > over copyright > > law, I will be actively considering these issues. Please be > > assured that > > should S. 2048 come before the Senate, I will keep your > > concerns in mind. > > > > Again, thank you for contacting me, and please do not > > hesitate to do so in > > the future if I can be of further assistance. > > Sincerely, > > > > Maria Cantwell > > United States Senator > > From sandbox at pacifier.com Tue Apr 2 02:03:27 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:03:27 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Pacifier was: security? References: <20020324145658.F845@defiant.kingkon.com> <3C9E5F2F.2040104@jhenshaw.com> <20020328164608.C675@defiant.kingkon.com> <5 <20020328203641.Q675@defiant.kingkon.com> <1017421964.6756.3.camel@ciclid.tripwire.com> <3CA4FA2C.2040909@easystreet.com> <1017445949.7780.21.camel@ciclid.tripwire.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020330115732.02960de8@mail.localnet.dimstar.net> <3CA63ABF.4070601@pacifier.com> <20020401164159.F713@defiant.kingkon.com> Message-ID: <3CA9116F.4040105@pacifier.com> Something for the future ISP evaluation page... I was lamenting Pcifier's clueless use of plaintext passwords for checking one's mail over the web but commended them on their support of ssh/sftp and Bruce Kingsland wrote: > SSH works, as I have been using it for about 2 years; but I haven't > gotten sftp to work. I think that may be because they aren't using > linux. Last I checked, it was FreeBSD. I don't think they're using > OpenSSH. Looks like I jumped the gun re: sftp. I maintain my website using scp. Their shell server is currently OpenBSD 2.6. The man page for ssh indicates openssh. There is no sftp binary in my search path. > And now that they're owned by US.NET, they are a windows/mac shop. My > ability to get support from them on linux is *zero*. Any support > question is answered with "What OS are you running?". When you reply > with "Linux", they say "Sorry, that's an unsupported OS; we can't > assist you with _any_ issues - even if it might be _our_ problem!". > So, by this time next year, they won't be my ISP. My experience with tech support is generally very good. I usually need them after midnight on Sunday's (strange that). Many of the techs are versed in Linux and have been as helpful as they can. When I do get the occasional by-the-book tech who is fearful of Linux, I speak in soothing tones and tell them that I can give them any information they need and it usually works out. However, since they were picked up by us.net, things have gone downhill. My main beef is notification. Servers go down sometimes, fine. A month ago or so, my webpage dissappered and I couldn't log in--presumably two dirrerent servers. Okay, maybe someone nuked /etc/passwd. But during the latest outage, the recorded message explained that this was due to scheduled maintence with *no* ETA. How's that? Anyway, once I was able to flame them, I explained the politeness of letting the customer know when service was going to be interrupted. During its darkest days, even Teleport send out mail. So I'm shopping for a new ISP myself. Where's that list... Cheers, Kyle Accardi From deanm at sharplabs.com Tue Apr 2 03:32:42 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:32:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Journaling file systems info In-Reply-To: (rddunlap@osdl.org) References: Message-ID: <20020402033242.CAFA710E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> :: Unofficial Linux filesystems web page is at :: http://www.osdl.org/archive/rddunlap/linux-fs.html Wow! What a treasure trove! I'm impressed. Perhaps you should put together a "meta-page" pointing to all of your "unofficial Linux web pages". I'd love to see your un-official "fonts" page, your un-official "linux audio" page, ... Regards, Dean From hapibeli at save-net.com Tue Apr 2 00:59:15 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:59:15 -0500 Subject: [PLUG] ppp in floppyfw Message-ID: <20020402040708.F33FE5E16@server1.safepages.com> When setting up floppyfw for ppp, there is a line "/etc/ppp/adsl-start ". Should this be changed to /etc/ppp/ppp-start, as from the HOWTO page; " you have to remove the # symbol before /etc/ppp/ppp-start in the file ppp-up.ini " ?? Dirk From brucek at kingkon.com Tue Apr 2 04:38:51 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:38:51 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] VPN Summary? Message-ID: <20020401203851.V713@defiant.kingkon.com> An acquaintance of mine (Doug) is trying to setup VPN using broken software (which we won't name). I suggested he use linux, and he wanted to know how you get around the Certificate of Authority requirements, etc. etc. etc. I don't know the answer, but I'm pretty sure someone here can provide it. I haven't checked the archives, and it's probably in there, but from lynx I'm not sure how to do that. -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wcooley at nakedape.cc Tue Apr 2 04:57:53 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:57:53 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] VPN Summary? In-Reply-To: <20020401203851.V713@defiant.kingkon.com>; from brucek@kingkon.com on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 08:38:51PM -0800 References: <20020401203851.V713@defiant.kingkon.com> Message-ID: <20020401205753.R18344@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Bruce Kingsland on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 08:38:51PM PST > An acquaintance of mine (Doug) is trying to setup VPN using broken > software (which we won't name). > > I suggested he use linux, and he wanted to know how you get around the > Certificate of Authority requirements, etc. etc. etc. > > I don't know the answer, but I'm pretty sure someone here can provide > it. I haven't checked the archives, and it's probably in there, but > from lynx I'm not sure how to do that. You don't need a certificate of authority when you implicitly trust both endpoints because they are under your control. What other questions did he have? Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rddunlap at osdl.org Tue Apr 2 05:41:34 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (rddunlap at osdl.org) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:41:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Journaling file systems info In-Reply-To: <20020402033242.CAFA710E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Dean S. Messing wrote: | | :: Unofficial Linux filesystems web page is at | :: http://www.osdl.org/archive/rddunlap/linux-fs.html | | Wow! What a treasure trove! I'm impressed. Thanks. I did this one because many Linux I/O subsystems and VM/MM etc. have their own mailing list and web page(s), but filesystems has only a mailing list -- no web page. It's still a work in progress. | Perhaps you should put together a "meta-page" pointing to all of your | "unofficial Linux web pages". I'd love to see your | un-official "fonts" page, your un-official "linux audio" page, ... I do very little with Linux audio (only USB :). I do have many Fonts links -- mostly because I did laser printer firmware in a previous life and we used Bitstream fonts, and I tortured them about rough edges etc. until they fixed lots of them (around 1987). I'm working on reorganizing my web pages. When I'm done, I'll post a pointer to them. -- ~Randy From sandbox at pacifier.com Tue Apr 2 05:41:43 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:41:43 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] DSL CAP/DMT who handles it? Message-ID: <3CA94497.9010501@pacifier.com> Since I'll be looking for a new ISP, this has come to mind. Currently I'm using a Cisco 675 "modem" which is CAP only and as I understand being phased-out in favor of DMT encoding. Does the ISP care? Or is it only an issue between me and Qwest's DSLAM's. If it is between me and Qwest, and I am being grand-fathered, will Qwest force me to DMT if I switch to another ISP? -- Kyle Accardi From wcooley at nakedape.cc Tue Apr 2 05:49:13 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:49:13 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] DSL CAP/DMT who handles it? In-Reply-To: <3CA94497.9010501@pacifier.com>; from sandbox@pacifier.com on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:41:43PM -0800 References: <3CA94497.9010501@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020401214913.A28213@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Kyle Accardi on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:41:43PM PST > Since I'll be looking for a new ISP, this has come to mind. > > Currently I'm using a Cisco 675 "modem" which is CAP only and as I > understand being phased-out in favor of DMT encoding. > > Does the ISP care? Or is it only an issue between me and Qwest's DSLAM's. > > If it is between me and Qwest, and I am being grand-fathered, will Qwest > force me to DMT if I switch to another ISP? It's between you and Qwest; the ISP only sees your connection as a virtual circuit in ATM or Frame Relay. I don't know if Qwest will make you switch or not if you change ISPs; I suspect not, but who knows. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sandbox at pacifier.com Tue Apr 2 06:00:24 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:00:24 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] DSL CAP/DMT who handles it? References: <3CA94497.9010501@pacifier.com> <20020401214913.A28213@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <3CA948F8.6090102@pacifier.com> Wil Cooley wrote: > Also Sprach Kyle Accardi on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:41:43PM PST >>If it is between me and Qwest, and I am being grand-fathered, will Qwest >>force me to DMT if I switch to another ISP? >> > > It's between you and Qwest; the ISP only sees your connection as > a virtual circuit in ATM or Frame Relay. I don't know if Qwest > will make you switch or not if you change ISPs; I suspect not, > but who knows. Thanks, that's what I thought. I just called Qwest and they said as long as I kept the circuit up (meaning I dont't cancel and restart my DSL service with them), that they would keep me CAP. The tech was happy that I had such an easy question... Cheers, Kyle Accardi From fedorp at wv.mentorg.com Tue Apr 2 06:49:27 2002 From: fedorp at wv.mentorg.com (Fedor G. Pikus) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 22:49:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: From the Office of Senator Cantwell In-Reply-To: <15529.3295.584514.411008@soggy.deldotd.com> Message-ID: Well, there is a reason she was known in Washington as "Congresswoman Cantvotewell" (before she was elected to the Senate). On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, briand at aracnet.com wrote: > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:43:59 -0800 > From: "briand at aracnet.com" > Reply-To: "plug at lists.pdxlinux.org" > To: "plug at lists.pdxlinux.org" > Subject: RE: [PLUG] Fwd: From the Office of Senator Cantwell > > >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Rasmussen writes: > > Michael> Rarely is so little said with so much. > > Very well put. > > Although she did think the DMCA was a good idea, which pretty much > tells you everything you need to know. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Fedor G. Pikus Mentor Graphics Corporation | Phone: (503) 685-4857 8405 SW Boeckman Road | FAX: (503) 685-1239 Wilsonville, Oregon 97070 | http://www.pikus.net/~pikus/ From zot at whiteknighthackers.com Tue Apr 2 13:22:19 2002 From: zot at whiteknighthackers.com (Zot O'Connor) Date: 02 Apr 2002 05:22:19 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] security? In-Reply-To: <20020328164608.C675@defiant.kingkon.com> References: <20020324145658.F845@defiant.kingkon.com> <3C9E5F2F.2040104@jhenshaw.com> <20020328164608.C675@defiant.kingkon.com> Message-ID: <1017753739.14047.58.camel@kat.zotnet.com> On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 16:46, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > J.A. Henshaw's Log: StarDate 0324.1520: > > Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > > > > I had a redhat7.2 system behind a firewall with only ports 80, 20, 21, > > > 22 open on Wednesday, running fine. Today, there are only 8MB of files > > > left on the 9GB system. A df last week showed about 30% used. The > > > journal files are still there, but not much else. fsck shows clean. > > > run "du -s /xxxx" where xxxx is a directory off of root "/" Do this for each dir off of root. It will tell you where the 8Gb is. I would hazard ftp might be the answer. If anon ftp is allowing file uploads, someone can upload 8 Gb, and not break security. Once you fine the directory du a "du -s /xxxx/* | sort -n" The * measures sub directories. The sort shows the biggest last. a word of warning, don't do /proc, /net, or /misc or /mnt as they tend to be mount points not directories. -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 2 14:16:46 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 06:16:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam Message-ID: I just read the applicable ORS for faxed spam, and it does (unfortunately) explicitly reference the transmission of spam over telephone wires by facsimile machies. However, on the bright side, it is much easier to modify a law than it is to create a new one. (I know because last session produced a law that I conceived and helped to nurse through the legislative process.) I encourage you to contact your state representative and senator (as I will do) and ask them to make a small modification to ORS 636.872: remove the explicit references to "facsimile machines" and replace them with references to "digital or analog transmission". Should receive a warm welcome. :-) If those of you who live in Washington will check the language of the Washington anti-spam statute, please share with us the wording. I believe we have an opening here to do something useful and productive. Rich From richard.langis at sun.com Tue Apr 2 16:36:05 2002 From: richard.langis at sun.com (Richard Langis) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 08:36:05 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam References: Message-ID: <3CA9DDF5.1090905@sun.com> I've seen some .sigs that reference that law or a similar one - they basically say that since you're connected via a telephone wire, and can then print out said message, that your computer, is, in fact, a very very expensive facsimile machine. Granted, that's stretching the letter of the law, but it does raise some interesting points. -R Rich Shepard wrote: > I just read the applicable ORS for faxed spam, and it does (unfortunately) > explicitly reference the transmission of spam over telephone wires by > facsimile machies. From brentwashburne at attbi.com Tue Apr 2 16:46:49 2002 From: brentwashburne at attbi.com (Brent Washburne) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 08:46:49 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam In-Reply-To: <3CA9DDF5.1090905@sun.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020402084612.03aa6480@mail.attbi.com> What about those of us with "expensive facsimile machines" connected via cable? ~Brent At 08:36 AM 4/2/02 -0800, you wrote: >I've seen some .sigs that reference that law or a similar one - they >basically say that since you're connected via a telephone wire, and can >then print out said message, that your computer, is, in fact, a very very >expensive facsimile machine. > >Granted, that's stretching the letter of the law, but it does raise some >interesting points. > >-R > >Rich Shepard wrote: > >> I just read the applicable ORS for faxed spam, and it does (unfortunately) >>explicitly reference the transmission of spam over telephone wires by >>facsimile machies. > > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Tue Apr 2 17:00:40 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:00:40 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020402084612.03aa6480@mail.attbi.com>; from brentwashburne@attbi.com on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 08:46:49AM -0800 References: <3CA9DDF5.1090905@sun.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020402084612.03aa6480@mail.attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020402090040.A17396@dalsemi.com> On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 08:46:49AM -0800, Brent Washburne wrote: > What about those of us with "expensive facsimile machines" connected > via cable? Technically, AT&T has to connect to the telcos to get hooked into the backbone. In other words, if I had a cell phone connected to a fax machine, the transmission still comes over a phone line during its course from point A to point B. Which brings up an interesting point. What prevents some scumball from connecting to PDXwireless and broadcasting spam to all nodes, even with the modifications that Rich is talking about? Maybe we should think the wording through a little more clearly. Colin From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Tue Apr 2 17:15:53 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:15:53 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA6D8@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> > I just read the applicable ORS for faxed spam, and it does (unfortunately) > explicitly reference the transmission of spam over telephone wires by > facsimile machies. Are the Oregon Revised Statues online? If so, where? From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 2 17:26:03 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:26:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA6D8@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Craighead, Scot D wrote: > Are the Oregon Revised Statues online? If so, where? Yup. Go to then follow the links to www.leg.state.or.us/ors/home.html. :-) Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 2 17:28:23 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:28:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam In-Reply-To: <3CA9DDF5.1090905@sun.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Richard Langis wrote: > I've seen some .sigs that reference that law or a similar one - they basically > say that since you're connected via a telephone wire, and can then print out > said message, that your computer, is, in fact, a very very expensive facsimile > machine. > > Granted, that's stretching the letter of the law, but it does raise some > interesting points. This interpretation looks like another implementation of the Attorneys Full Employment Act of 2002 (Revised). I'd rather see if the specific language could be broadened to include e-mail. Looking at the Washington statute would be informative if someone wants to track it down and provide us with a URL. Rich From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Tue Apr 2 17:49:40 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:49:40 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA6DD@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> > Yup. Go to then follow the links to >www.leg.state.or.us/ors/home.html. :-) Thank you! From russj at dimstar.net Tue Apr 2 18:26:57 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 10:26:57 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] security? In-Reply-To: <1017753739.14047.58.camel@kat.zotnet.com> References: <20020328164608.C675@defiant.kingkon.com> <20020324145658.F845@defiant.kingkon.com> <3C9E5F2F.2040104@jhenshaw.com> <20020328164608.C675@defiant.kingkon.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020402101856.00b599d0@localhost> If you do: du --max-depth=1 / Then it will only show the subdirectories off of root, with a total of what they contain. You can then move into the larger subdirectory, and repeat the process. Eventually, you'll find the file. At 05:22 AM 4/2/2002 -0800, you wrote: >run "du -s /xxxx" where xxxx is a directory off of root "/" > >Do this for each dir off of root. It will tell you where the 8Gb is. > >I would hazard ftp might be the answer. If anon ftp is allowing file >uploads, someone can upload 8 Gb, and not break security. > >Once you fine the directory du a "du -s /xxxx/* | sort -n" > >The * measures sub directories. The sort shows the biggest last. > >a word of warning, don't do /proc, /net, or /misc or /mnt as they tend >to be mount points not directories. From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Tue Apr 2 18:33:46 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:33:46 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 09:28:23AM -0800 References: <3CA9DDF5.1090905@sun.com> Message-ID: <20020402103346.B17396@dalsemi.com> On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 09:28:23AM -0800, Rich Shepard wrote: > > This interpretation looks like another implementation of the Attorneys > Full Employment Act of 2002 (Revised). I'd rather see if the specific > language could be broadened to include e-mail. Looking at the Washington > statute would be informative if someone wants to track it down and provide > us with a URL. It's part of the Consumer Protection Act. From: http://search.leg.wa.gov/pub/textsearch/ViewRoot.asp?Action=Html&Item=0&X=402095947&p=1 Last year the Legislature passed a law regulating commercial electronic mail messages. The law defines a commercial electronic mail message as one sent for the purpose of promoting real property, goods, or services for sale or lease. It is a violation of the Consumer Protection Act to initiate a commercial electronic mail message from a computer located in Washington or to a Washington resident that: * Uses a third party's Internet domain name without permission of the third party, or otherwise misrepresents any information in identifying the point of origin or transmission path of the message; or * Puts false or misleading information in the subject line of the message. Only the person who actually clicks or pushes a "send" button on a computer screen or keyboard to transmit a message is liable under the Consumer Protection Act. An interactive computer service provider that routes or re-transmits the message is not liable. When a sender violates the Consumer Protection Act, the recipient of the commercial electronic mail message may bring a civil action against the sender for the greater of $500 or actual damages. An interactive computer service provider may also bring an action against the sender for the greater of $1,000 or actual damages. Colin From seant at q7.com Tue Apr 2 18:52:40 2002 From: seant at q7.com (Sean Lewis) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:52:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam In-Reply-To: <20020402103346.B17396@dalsemi.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Colin Kuskie wrote: > * Uses a third party's Internet domain name without permission of the > third party, or otherwise misrepresents any information in > identifying the point of origin or transmission path of the message; > or > > * Puts false or misleading information in the subject line of the > message. > So my bozo friend who like to use non-sequitor subject lines such as "Free Mattress Tester!", if he lived in WA, would be breaking the law? Cool! Sean From longman at sharplabs.com Tue Apr 2 19:02:23 2002 From: longman at sharplabs.com (Longman, Bill) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:02:23 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Autologoff Message-ID: Is there a setting somewhere that keeps logging me off my Mandrake 8.1 system? It *seems* like I'm getting kicked off for no activity after about 15 minutes, but I have no clear proof yet. I'm running an xterm through an ssh tunnel to get to the host. Exceed on the Win2k box, and OpenLook managing the windows from the slow Sparc of high-wheeled toys. (Sorry about that.) -- WEL From alex at daniloff.com Tue Apr 2 19:04:40 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:04:40 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Alternatives to =?iso-8859-1?q?Vmware=3F?= In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020402101856.00b599d0@localhost> Message-ID: <200204021904.g32J4ek18043@gate.daniloff.com> Hello Linux folkz, Does somebody know any good alternatives to Vmware to run a few M$ applications as Word97, Excel97. My manager still can't get rid of his nasty habit of using M$ applications. Many thanks in advance for any advise or source of information. Alex P.S. Information for thoughts: Initially we ran VMware-2.0.3 on a half of our engineering workstations in parallel with Linux (SuSE7.1 and SuSE7.3) After six months of usage, suddenly, all these workstations started to crash for no apparent reasons. It was looking as a hard drive falure. In the same time workstations which ran Linux only, continued to run without any problems. Hardware wise our 12 engineering workstations are all identical. Is it possible that running in parallel VMware on Linux could cause such system crashes? From alan at clueserver.org Tue Apr 2 18:27:00 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:27:00 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Alternatives to Vmware? In-Reply-To: <200204021904.g32J4ek18043@gate.daniloff.com> References: <200204021904.g32J4ek18043@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: <200204022106.g32L62L25714@clueserver.org> On Tuesday 02 April 2002 11:04, you wrote: > Hello Linux folkz, > Does somebody know any good alternatives to Vmware to run a few M$ > applications as Word97, Excel97. > My manager still can't get rid of his nasty habit of using M$ > applications. > Many thanks in advance for any advise or source of information. Codeweaver's Crossover Office. http://www.codeweavers.com/ > > Alex > > P.S. > Information for thoughts: > Initially we ran VMware-2.0.3 on a half of our engineering > workstations in parallel with Linux (SuSE7.1 and SuSE7.3) > After six months of usage, suddenly, all these workstations started to > crash for no apparent reasons. It was looking as a hard drive falure. > In the same time workstations which ran Linux only, continued to run > without any problems. Hardware wise our 12 engineering workstations > are all identical. > Is it possible that running in parallel VMware on Linux could cause > such system crashes? > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From deanm at sharplabs.com Tue Apr 2 19:50:30 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:50:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] X 4.2.0 and font rendering problems Message-ID: <20020402195030.27D4A10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> When responding, _please_ be kind to others on the list and edit all extraneous stuff out. Thanks. I am having some strange font rendering problems that I can't figure out. There are actually three problems which I'm not even sure are related. Also I'm not sure if it's the driver, X, KDE, or Mandrake's configuration. I hope someone can point me North. I'll be as brief as possible but I'm including -- /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 -- /etc/X11/fs/config -- /var/log/XFree86.0.log at the end so you can (maybe) diagnose my problem. When responding, _please_ be kind to others and edit all extraneous stuff out. Thanks. My system: MoBo: Tyan Tiger S2466N w/ dual Athlon MP 1500+ (1.33GHz)CPUs Video Board: GeForce4 Ti4600 Monitor: -- Panasync S21 (CRT) -- operating resolution (1600x1200) Stock Mandrake: Stock 8.2 -- XFree 4.2.0 -- stock nv driver -- stock KDE -- font antialiasing is OFF by default in stock installation Problems: 1) missing pixels w/in font strokes. If I do a "refresh" of the desktop _some_ but not all of the missing pixels appear. The "shape" of fonts look fine, i.e. they actually look antialiased. 2) If I open a KDE Konsole window (black background, white font-face) and cat a bunch of stuff to the screen, or scroll the text there will be a lot of white isolated pixels remaining on w/in the black background. It is as though a font was written at a particular location, then when some other letter is written at same location (or a space is written) some of the pixels don't get turned off. A desktop refresh completely clears this up as well. I don't see this effect w/in an xterm (black background, white font) but the "missing pixels" problem of 1) is especially bad. 3) When I enable "antialiased fonts" w/in KDE (and restart KDE) all my fonts now look awful. I don't think it's the classic "abiword" font problem. How do I describe "awful"? The fonts all look "square" both w/in KDE and w/in Konqueror. However the fonts look noral w/in, say Mandrake control center (and emacs). Most importantly, turning on antialiasing did _not_ fix 1 and 2 above. Mandrake Specific problem: 4) Hardrake is not identifiying my GeForce4 at all. It says "NONE Generic VGA". When installing Mandrake 8.2, the installer identified the board as a GeForce3. I plan to switch to the nVidia binary drivers as soon as I learn how to install them. But I'm not sure they will solve these problems. Ok, that's enough for now. Following is the above mentioned system info. Search on , , to get to the head of the appropriate stuff. Thanks, Dean S. Messing Information Systems Technologies Dept. Sharp Laboratories of America E-Mail: deanm at sharplabs.com /***************************/ /* */ /***************************/ # File generated by XFdrake. # ********************************************************************** # Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of # this file. # ********************************************************************** Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) # By default, Mandrake 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of # the X server to render fonts. FontPath "unix/:-1" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Server flags section. # ********************************************************************** Section "ServerFlags" # Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is # received. This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may # provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging #NoTrapSignals # Uncomment this to disable the server abort sequence # This allows clients to receive this key event. #DontZap # Uncomment this to disable the / mode switching # sequences. This allows clients to receive these key events. #DontZoom # This allows the server to start up even if the # mouse device can't be opened/initialised. AllowMouseOpenFail EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Input devices # ********************************************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Keyboard section # ********************************************************************** Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard1" Driver "Keyboard" Option "AutoRepeat" "250 30" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Pointer section # ********************************************************************** Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse1" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "PS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" Option "Emulate3Buttons" Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50" # ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice # Option "ChordMiddle" EndSection Section "Module" # This loads the DBE extension module. Load "dbe" # This loads the Video for Linux module. Load "v4l" # This loads the miscellaneous extensions module, and disables # initialisation of the XFree86-DGA extension within that module. SubSection "extmod" #Option "omit xfree86-dga" EndSubSection # This loads the Type1 and FreeType font modules Load "type1" Load "freetype" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Monitor section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of monitor sections may be present Section "Monitor" Identifier "Panasonic|Panasonic S21" VendorName "Panasonic" ModelName "Unknown" # HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified. # HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. HorizSync 30-95 # VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified. # VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. VertRefresh 50-160 # This is a set of extended mode timings typically used for laptop, # TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output. # These are available along with standard mode timings. # Sony Vaio C1(X,XS,VE,VN)? # 1024x480 @ 85.6 Hz, 48 kHz hsync ModeLine "1024x480" 65.00 1024 1032 1176 1344 480 488 494 563 -hsync -vsync # 768x576 @ 79 Hz, 50 kHz hsync ModeLine "768x576" 50.00 768 832 846 1000 576 590 595 630 # 768x576 @ 100 Hz, 61.6 kHz hsync ModeLine "768x576" 63.07 768 800 960 1024 576 578 590 616 EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Graphics device section # ********************************************************************** Section "Device" Identifier "Generic VGA" Driver "vga" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "NVIDIA GeForce3 (generic)" VendorName "Unknown" BoardName "Unknown" Driver "nv" # VideoRam 131072 # Clock lines # Uncomment following option if you see a big white block # instead of the cursor! # Option "sw_cursor" Option "DPMS" "on" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Screen sections # ********************************************************************** Section "Screen" Identifier "screen1" Device "NVIDIA GeForce3 (generic)" Monitor "Panasonic|Panasonic S21" DefaultColorDepth 24 Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 32 Modes "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "layout1" Screen "screen1" InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection /************************/ /* */ /************************/ # # Default font server configuration file for Mandrake Linux workstation # # allow a max of 4 clients to connect to this font server client-limit = 4 # when a font server reaches its limit, start up a new one clone-self = off # alternate font servers for clients to use #alternate-servers = foo:7101,bar:7102 # where to look for fonts # Some of these are commented out, i.e. the TrueType and Type1 # directories in /usr/share, because they aren't forced to be # installed alongside X. # catalogue = /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/pcf_drakfont:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/mdk:unscaled, /usr/share/fonts/default/Type1, /usr/share/fonts/ttf/big5, /usr/share/fonts/ttf/decoratives, /usr/share/fonts/ttf/gb2312, /usr/share/fonts/ttf/japanese, /usr/share/fonts/ttf/western # in 12 points, decipoints default-point-size = 120 # 100 x 100 and 75 x 75 default-resolutions = 75,75,100,100 # how to log errors use-syslog = on /****************************/ /* */ /****************************/ XFree86 Version 4.2.0 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600) Release Date: 23 January 2002 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/) Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.18-1mdksmp i686 [ELF] Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Mon Apr 1 20:11:58 2002 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" (==) ServerLayout "layout1" (**) |-->Screen "screen1" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "Panasonic|Panasonic S21" (**) | |-->Device "NVIDIA GeForce3 (generic)" (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse1" (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard1" (**) Option "AutoRepeat" "250 30" (**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" (**) XKB: rules: "xfree86" (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105" (**) XKB: model: "pc105" (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us" (**) XKB: layout: "us" (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled (**) FontPath set to "unix/:-1" (**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" (**) Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" (--) using VT number 7 (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) (II) Module ABI versions: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.1 XFree86 Video Driver: 0.5 XFree86 XInput driver : 0.3 XFree86 Server Extension : 0.1 XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.3 (II) Loader running on linux (II) LoadModule: "bitmap" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.3 (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: "pcidata" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 (II) PCI: Config type is 1 (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x00000000, mode1Res1 = 0x80000000 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 1022,700c card 0000,0000 rev 11 class 06,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 1022,700d card 0000,0000 rev 00 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:07:0: chip 1022,7440 card 0000,0000 rev 04 class 06,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:07:1: chip 1022,7441 card 1022,7441 rev 04 class 01,01,8a hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:07:3: chip 1022,7443 card 1022,7443 rev 03 class 06,80,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:09:0: chip 1000,0021 card 1000,1010 rev 01 class 01,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:09:1: chip 1000,0021 card 1000,1010 rev 01 class 01,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:10:0: chip 1022,7448 card 0000,0000 rev 04 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 01:05:0: chip 10de,0250 card 1545,0037 rev a3 class 03,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 02:04:0: chip 1045,c861 card 1045,c861 rev 20 class 0c,03,10 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 02:04:1: chip 1045,c861 card 1045,c861 rev 20 class 0c,03,10 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 02:05:0: chip 9004,5078 card 9004,7850 rev 03 class 01,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 02:07:0: chip 1102,0002 card 1102,8061 rev 07 class 04,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 02:07:1: chip 1102,7002 card 1102,0020 rev 07 class 09,80,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 02:08:0: chip 10b7,9200 card 10f1,2466 rev 78 class 02,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: End of PCI scan (II) LoadModule: "scanpci" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Module scanpci: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) UnloadModule: "scanpci" (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Host-to-PCI bridge: (II) PCI-to-ISA bridge: (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge: (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (-1,0,0), BCTRL: 0x08 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 0 I/O range: [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:1:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x0c (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 1 I/O range: (II) Bus 1 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0xd1000000 - 0xd1ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B] (II) Bus 1 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0xf0000000 - 0xf80fffff (0x8100000) MX[B] (II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:7:0), (0,-1,0), BCTRL: 0x08 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus -1 I/O range: (II) Bus -1 non-prefetchable memory range: (II) Bus -1 prefetchable memory range: (II) Bus 2: bridge is at (0:16:0), (0,2,2), BCTRL: 0x04 (VGA_EN is cleared) (II) Bus 2 I/O range: [0] -1 0x00002000 - 0x000020ff (0x100) IX[B] [1] -1 0x00002400 - 0x000024ff (0x100) IX[B] [2] -1 0x00002800 - 0x000028ff (0x100) IX[B] [3] -1 0x00002c00 - 0x00002cff (0x100) IX[B] (II) Bus 2 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0xd2000000 - 0xd20fffff (0x100000) MX[B] (II) Bus 2 prefetchable memory range: (--) PCI:*(1:5:0) NVidia 0x0250 rev 163, Mem @ 0xd1000000/24, 0xf0000000/27, 0xf8000000/19 (II) Addressable bus resource ranges are [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] [1] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) OS-reported resource ranges: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [6] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) Active PCI resource ranges: [0] -1 0xd2004000 - 0xd200407f (0x80) MX[B] [1] -1 0xd2003000 - 0xd2003fff (0x1000) MX[B] [2] -1 0xd2002000 - 0xd2002fff (0x1000) MX[B] [3] -1 0xd2001000 - 0xd2001fff (0x1000) MX[B] [4] -1 0xd2100000 - 0xd2100fff (0x1000) MX[B] [5] -1 0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B] [6] -1 0xf8000000 - 0xf807ffff (0x80000) MX[B](B) [7] -1 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [8] -1 0xd1000000 - 0xd1ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [9] -1 0x00002400 - 0x0000247f (0x80) IX[B] [10] -1 0x000024a0 - 0x000024a7 (0x8) IX[B] [11] -1 0x00002480 - 0x0000249f (0x20) IX[B] [12] -1 0x00002000 - 0x000020ff (0x100) IX[B] [13] -1 0x00001400 - 0x000014ff (0x100) IX[B] [14] -1 0x00001000 - 0x000010ff (0x100) IX[B] [15] -1 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] [16] -1 0x00001810 - 0x00001813 (0x4) IX[B] (II) Active PCI resource ranges after removing overlaps: [0] -1 0xd2004000 - 0xd200407f (0x80) MX[B] [1] -1 0xd2003000 - 0xd2003fff (0x1000) MX[B] [2] -1 0xd2002000 - 0xd2002fff (0x1000) MX[B] [3] -1 0xd2001000 - 0xd2001fff (0x1000) MX[B] [4] -1 0xd2100000 - 0xd2100fff (0x1000) MX[B] [5] -1 0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B] [6] -1 0xf8000000 - 0xf807ffff (0x80000) MX[B](B) [7] -1 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [8] -1 0xd1000000 - 0xd1ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [9] -1 0x00002400 - 0x0000247f (0x80) IX[B] [10] -1 0x000024a0 - 0x000024a7 (0x8) IX[B] [11] -1 0x00002480 - 0x0000249f (0x20) IX[B] [12] -1 0x00002000 - 0x000020ff (0x100) IX[B] [13] -1 0x00001400 - 0x000014ff (0x100) IX[B] [14] -1 0x00001000 - 0x000010ff (0x100) IX[B] [15] -1 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] [16] -1 0x00001810 - 0x00001813 (0x4) IX[B] (II) OS-reported resource ranges after removing overlaps with PCI: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [6] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) All system resource ranges: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0xd2004000 - 0xd200407f (0x80) MX[B] [6] -1 0xd2003000 - 0xd2003fff (0x1000) MX[B] [7] -1 0xd2002000 - 0xd2002fff (0x1000) MX[B] [8] -1 0xd2001000 - 0xd2001fff (0x1000) MX[B] [9] -1 0xd2100000 - 0xd2100fff (0x1000) MX[B] [10] -1 0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B] [11] -1 0xf8000000 - 0xf807ffff (0x80000) MX[B](B) [12] -1 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [13] -1 0xd1000000 - 0xd1ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [14] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [15] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [16] -1 0x00002400 - 0x0000247f (0x80) IX[B] [17] -1 0x000024a0 - 0x000024a7 (0x8) IX[B] [18] -1 0x00002480 - 0x0000249f (0x20) IX[B] [19] -1 0x00002000 - 0x000020ff (0x100) IX[B] [20] -1 0x00001400 - 0x000014ff (0x100) IX[B] [21] -1 0x00001000 - 0x000010ff (0x100) IX[B] [22] -1 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] [23] -1 0x00001810 - 0x00001813 (0x4) IX[B] (II) LoadModule: "dbe" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a (II) Module dbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER (II) LoadModule: "v4l" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/linux/v4l_drv.o (II) Module v4l: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 0.0.1 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) LoadModule: "extmod" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a (II) Module extmod: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension SHAPE (II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD (II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS (II) Loading extension SYNC (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER (II) Loading extension XC-MISC (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension (II) Loading extension XFree86-Misc (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA (II) Loading extension DPMS (II) Loading extension FontCache (II) Loading extension TOG-CUP (II) Loading extension Extended-Visual-Information (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation (II) LoadModule: "type1" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libtype1.a (II) Module type1: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.1 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.3 (II) Loading font Type1 (II) Loading font CID (II) LoadModule: "freetype" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libfreetype.a (II) Module freetype: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.1.10 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.3 (II) Loading font FreeType (II) LoadModule: "nv" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nv_drv.o (II) Module nv: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.1 Module class: XFree86 Video Driver ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) LoadModule: "mouse" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o (II) Module mouse: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 XInput Driver ABI class: XFree86 XInput driver, version 0.3 (II) v4l driver for Video4Linux (II) NV: driver for NVIDIA chipsets: RIVA128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, RIVA TNT2 Ultra, Vanta, RIVA TNT2 M64, Aladdin TNT2, GeForce 256, GeForce DDR, Quadro, GeForce2 GTS/Pro, GeForce2 Ti, GeForce2 Ultra, Quadro2 Pro, GeForce2 MX/MX 400, GeForce2 MX 100/200, 0x0170, 0x0171, 0x0172, 0x0173, 0x0174, 0x0175, 0x0178, 0x017A, 0x017B, 0x017C, GeForce2 Integrated, Quadro2 MXR, GeForce2 Go, GeForce3, GeForce3 Ti 200, GeForce3 Ti 500, Quadro DDC, 0x0250, 0x0258 (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:05:0 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) Chipset 0x0250 found (II) resource ranges after xf86ClaimFixedResources() call: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0xd2004000 - 0xd200407f (0x80) MX[B] [6] -1 0xd2003000 - 0xd2003fff (0x1000) MX[B] [7] -1 0xd2002000 - 0xd2002fff (0x1000) MX[B] [8] -1 0xd2001000 - 0xd2001fff (0x1000) MX[B] [9] -1 0xd2100000 - 0xd2100fff (0x1000) MX[B] [10] -1 0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B] [11] -1 0xf8000000 - 0xf807ffff (0x80000) MX[B](B) [12] -1 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [13] -1 0xd1000000 - 0xd1ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [14] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [15] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [16] -1 0x00002400 - 0x0000247f (0x80) IX[B] [17] -1 0x000024a0 - 0x000024a7 (0x8) IX[B] [18] -1 0x00002480 - 0x0000249f (0x20) IX[B] [19] -1 0x00002000 - 0x000020ff (0x100) IX[B] [20] -1 0x00001400 - 0x000014ff (0x100) IX[B] [21] -1 0x00001000 - 0x000010ff (0x100) IX[B] [22] -1 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] [23] -1 0x00001810 - 0x00001813 (0x4) IX[B] (II) resource ranges after probing: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0xd2004000 - 0xd200407f (0x80) MX[B] [6] -1 0xd2003000 - 0xd2003fff (0x1000) MX[B] [7] -1 0xd2002000 - 0xd2002fff (0x1000) MX[B] [8] -1 0xd2001000 - 0xd2001fff (0x1000) MX[B] [9] -1 0xd2100000 - 0xd2100fff (0x1000) MX[B] [10] -1 0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B] [11] -1 0xf8000000 - 0xf807ffff (0x80000) MX[B](B) [12] -1 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [13] -1 0xd1000000 - 0xd1ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [14] 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B] [15] 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B] [16] 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B] [17] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [18] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [19] -1 0x00002400 - 0x0000247f (0x80) IX[B] [20] -1 0x000024a0 - 0x000024a7 (0x8) IX[B] [21] -1 0x00002480 - 0x0000249f (0x20) IX[B] [22] -1 0x00002000 - 0x000020ff (0x100) IX[B] [23] -1 0x00001400 - 0x000014ff (0x100) IX[B] [24] -1 0x00001000 - 0x000010ff (0x100) IX[B] [25] -1 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] [26] -1 0x00001810 - 0x00001813 (0x4) IX[B] [27] 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B] [28] 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B] (II) Setting vga for screen 0. (II) Loading sub module "int10" (II) LoadModule: "int10" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a (II) Module int10: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) NV(0): Initializing int10 (II) NV(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (--) NV(0): Chipset: "0x0250" (**) NV(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 (==) NV(0): RGB weight 888 (==) NV(0): Default visual is TrueColor (II) Loading sub module "vgahw" (II) LoadModule: "vgahw" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a (II) Module vgahw: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (==) NV(0): Using HW cursor (--) NV(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xF0000000 (--) NV(0): MMIO registers at 0xD1000000 (--) NV(0): VideoRAM: 131072 kBytes (II) Loading sub module "ddc" (II) LoadModule: "ddc" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a (II) Module ddc: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) Loading sub module "i2c" (II) LoadModule: "i2c" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libi2c.a (II) Module i2c: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.2.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) NV(0): I2C bus "DDC" initialized. (II) NV(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered. (II) NV(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. (==) NV(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (II) NV(0): Panasonic|Panasonic S21: Using hsync range of 30.00-95.00 kHz (II) NV(0): Panasonic|Panasonic S21: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-160.00 Hz (II) NV(0): Clock range: 12.00 to 350.00 MHz (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (hsync out of range) (--) NV(0): Virtual size is 1600x1200 (pitch 1600) (**) NV(0): Default mode "1600x1200": 202.5 MHz, 93.8 kHz, 75.0 Hz (II) NV(0): Modeline "1600x1200" 202.50 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync (**) NV(0): Default mode "1400x1050": 155.8 MHz, 81.5 kHz, 74.8 Hz (II) NV(0): Modeline "1400x1050" 155.80 1400 1464 1784 1912 1050 1052 1064 1090 +hsync +vsync (**) NV(0): Default mode "1280x1024": 157.5 MHz, 91.1 kHz, 85.0 Hz (II) NV(0): Modeline "1280x1024" 157.50 1280 1344 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1072 +hsync +vsync (**) NV(0): Default mode "1152x864": 108.0 MHz, 67.5 kHz, 75.0 Hz (II) NV(0): Modeline "1152x864" 108.00 1152 1216 1344 1600 864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (**) NV(0): Default mode "1024x768": 94.5 MHz, 68.7 kHz, 85.0 Hz (II) NV(0): Modeline "1024x768" 94.50 1024 1072 1168 1376 768 769 772 808 +hsync +vsync (**) NV(0): Default mode "800x600": 56.3 MHz, 53.7 kHz, 85.1 Hz (II) NV(0): Modeline "800x600" 56.30 800 832 896 1048 600 601 604 631 +hsync +vsync (**) NV(0): Default mode "640x480": 74.2 MHz, 85.9 kHz, 85.1 Hz (D) (II) NV(0): Modeline "640x480" 74.25 640 672 752 864 480 480 482 505 doublescan +hsync +vsync (==) NV(0): DPI set to (75, 75) (II) Loading sub module "fb" (II) LoadModule: "fb" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a (II) Module fb: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation, version 0.1 (II) Loading sub module "xaa" (II) LoadModule: "xaa" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libxaa.a (II) Module xaa: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) Loading sub module "ramdac" (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libramdac.a (II) Module ramdac: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp (II) do I need RAC? No, I don't. (II) resource ranges after preInit: [0] 0 0xf8000000 - 0xf807ffff (0x80000) MX[B] [1] 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B] [2] 0 0xd1000000 - 0xd1ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B] [3] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [4] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [5] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [6] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [7] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [8] -1 0xd2004000 - 0xd200407f (0x80) MX[B] [9] -1 0xd2003000 - 0xd2003fff (0x1000) MX[B] [10] -1 0xd2002000 - 0xd2002fff (0x1000) MX[B] [11] -1 0xd2001000 - 0xd2001fff (0x1000) MX[B] [12] -1 0xd2100000 - 0xd2100fff (0x1000) MX[B] [13] -1 0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B] [14] -1 0xf8000000 - 0xf807ffff (0x80000) MX[B](B) [15] -1 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [16] -1 0xd1000000 - 0xd1ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [17] 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B](OprD) [18] 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B](OprD) [19] 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B](OprD) [20] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [21] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [22] -1 0x00002400 - 0x0000247f (0x80) IX[B] [23] -1 0x000024a0 - 0x000024a7 (0x8) IX[B] [24] -1 0x00002480 - 0x0000249f (0x20) IX[B] [25] -1 0x00002000 - 0x000020ff (0x100) IX[B] [26] -1 0x00001400 - 0x000014ff (0x100) IX[B] [27] -1 0x00001000 - 0x000010ff (0x100) IX[B] [28] -1 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] [29] -1 0x00001810 - 0x00001813 (0x4) IX[B] [30] 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B](OprU) [31] 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B](OprU) (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0xf0000000,0x8000000) (II) NV(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) Screen to screen bit blits Solid filled rectangles 8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion Solid Lines Offscreen Pixmaps Setting up tile and stipple cache: 32 128x128 slots 29 256x256 slots 14 512x512 slots (==) NV(0): Backing store disabled (==) NV(0): Silken mouse enabled (**) Option "dpms" "on" (**) NV(0): DPMS enabled (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD (II) Initializing built-in extension LBX (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-APPGROUP (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER (**) Option "Protocol" "PS/2" (**) Mouse1: Protocol: "PS/2" (**) Option "CorePointer" (**) Mouse1: Core Pointer (**) Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" (**) Option "Emulate3Buttons" (**) Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50" (**) Mouse1: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 (==) Mouse1: Buttons: 3 (II) Keyboard "Keyboard1" handled by legacy driver (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse1" (type: MOUSE) (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Tue Apr 2 20:16:43 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:16:43 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Xine and kernals Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA6E2@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> I am trying to use xine to view video files and it is dropping many frames. I looked at the xine fac and it said to use a recent kernal optimized for your hardware. I am using a stock kernel installed by the Redhat installer. If I compile my own kernel would that make it optimized for my hard ware? Do I need to do something to make it optimized? From briand at aracnet.com Tue Apr 2 20:26:17 2002 From: briand at aracnet.com (briand at aracnet.com) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:26:17 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] X 4.2.0 and font rendering problems In-Reply-To: <20020402195030.27D4A10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> References: <20020402195030.27D4A10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Message-ID: <15530.5097.739502.526624@soggy.deldotd.com> Tough one to figure out. Personally I would start trimming fonts from the catalogue line to start, i.e. get down to a minimum set of fonts and see what that does. With so many fonts to choose from you have no idea what X is doing. It could be trying to render 75dpi fonts as anti-aliases which would not work well. The anti-aliasing stuff in X is relatively new. If the font experiments don't seem to help at all, I'm going to have to vote for driver problem. If there is someway to force the use of the regular SVGA server that would be a good troubleshooting data point also. There are _many_ problems which only seem to crop up when using the accelerated servers. Brian From mollusk at angryloner.org Tue Apr 2 20:22:20 2002 From: mollusk at angryloner.org (Brendan Melia) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:22:20 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Solaris 8 for Intel Message-ID: <20020402122220.6b65ced9.mollusk@angryloner.org> I was wondering if anybody has a copy of the last release of Solaris 8 for Intel. My iso image got corrupted somehow and I would like to find a copy. Respond off-list if you can help. Thanks, brendan From sandbox at pacifier.com Tue Apr 2 20:42:28 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 12:42:28 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] X 4.2.0 and font rendering problems References: <20020402195030.27D4A10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Message-ID: <3CAA17B4.4070603@pacifier.com> This is not my speciality, but you might try a few things. In XF86Config-4 > # ********************************************************************** > # Graphics device section > # ********************************************************************** > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Generic VGA" > Driver "vga" > EndSection > > Section "Device" > Identifier "NVIDIA GeForce3 (generic)" > VendorName "Unknown" > BoardName "Unknown" > Driver "nv" > # VideoRam 131072 > # Clock lines Try commenting out the first Device stanza (Generic VGA) so X only sees the NVIDIA. In fs/config, reorder your fonts like so catalogue = /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled, # /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont, # /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/pcf_drakfont:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/mdk:unscaled, /usr/share/fonts/default/Type1, /usr/share/fonts/ttf/big5, /usr/share/fonts/ttf/decoratives, /usr/share/fonts/ttf/gb2312, /usr/share/fonts/ttf/japanese, /usr/share/fonts/ttf/western > > # 100 x 100 and 75 x 75 > default-resolutions = 75,75,100,100 And try using 100 first, as in default-resolutions = 100,100,75,75 After you make the changes to /fs/config, restart X. You may need to restart xfs, too. (I think that's what I forgot to do.) See also, http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/FDU/x-4x.html I know, it's a drag... Cheers, Kyle Accardi From due.gatti at gmx.net Tue Apr 2 20:58:22 2002 From: due.gatti at gmx.net (Greg) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:58:22 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Xine and kernals In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA6E2@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA6E2@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <20020402125822.17f5f27d.due.gatti@gmx.net> Indeed it would. If I recall, the stock RH kernels bow to the lowest common denominator (ie, compiled for 386), but I haven't used RH in a while, so I don't know if that's still the case. Anyhoo, if you compile your own, yes, it'll be optimized for YOUR machine - hardware, modules (if you choose modules over compiled-in), etc... Ciao, Greg On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:16:43 -0800 "Craighead, Scot D" wrote: > If I compile my own kernel would that make it optimized for my hard ware? > Do I need to do something to make it optimized? > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From derek at infotects.com Tue Apr 2 21:32:00 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 13:32:00 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Audio Extraction broken on Via 686b? References: <20020401194533.GB717@buckethead.localdomain> <3CA8EDD8.509FF6C1@infotects.com> <20020402012121.GA269@buckethead.localdomain> Message-ID: <3CAA2350.230211A4@infotects.com> Hi Aj, Aj Lavin wrote: > > Hi Derek. Thanks for the tips. > > I already tried putting the CD as a slave on the second channel. It > made no difference. > > > Or how about setting up the ide-scsi emulation, and use it as a scsi > > device instead? > > Ok, I just tried this, and it didn't work, but I get more diagnostic > info. From the kernel: > > scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 127, scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 UNKNOWN(0xbe) 00 00 00 00 07 00 00 0d f8 00 00 > hdc: lost interrupt > ide-scsi: The scsi wants to send us more data than expected - discarding data > ide-scsi: transferred 7056 of 11760 bytes > scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 128, scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 UNKNOWN(0xbe) 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 0d f8 00 00 > hdc: lost interrupt > ide-scsi: The scsi wants to send us more data than expected - discarding data > ide-scsi: transferred 7056 of 11760 bytes > scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 129, scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 UNKNOWN(0xbe) 00 00 00 00 21 00 00 0d f8 00 00 > hdc: lost interrupt > ide-scsi: The scsi wants to send us more data than expected - discarding data > ide-scsi: transferred 7056 of 11760 bytes > ... > > Any ideas? That lost interrupt error does not look good, have you tried to flash the BIOS? Maybe a more relevant question, is your BIOS up to date? The only other thing I can think of (and it may not be possible for your CD drive) is to flash the firmware of the drive itself. This is usually only possible with older drives (burners mostly), and you more than likely will have to boot to DOS to run the flash utility. Look at the manufacturer's website for more information. Those are the last of the ideas I have. Good Luck Derek Loree From heinlein at attbi.com Tue Apr 2 21:51:49 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:51:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Xine and kernals In-Reply-To: <20020402125822.17f5f27d.due.gatti@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Greg wrote: > Indeed it would. If I recall, the stock RH kernels bow to the lowest > common denominator (ie, compiled for 386), but I haven't used RH in a > while, so I don't know if that's still the case. Anyhoo, if you > compile your own, yes, it'll be optimized for YOUR machine - hardware, > modules (if you choose modules over compiled-in), etc... Red Hat releases kernels (and glibc, for that matter) built specifically for i386, i586, i686, and athlon processors. Oh, in UP and SMP versions, too. Until the 2.4.9 and 2.2.19 releases, I found myself needing stuff not in the stock Red Hat kernels (esp., NFS v3). Now, I only build working kernels for funky architectures like my old Alpha at home or for servers where I want to strip out extraneous stuff. Otherwise, the stock kernels rock. -- Paul Heinlein From derek at infotects.com Tue Apr 2 21:52:05 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 13:52:05 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Xine and kernals References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA6E2@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <3CAA2805.910E4E3F@infotects.com> Hi Scot (or is that Craig, hehe), "Craighead, Scot D" wrote: > I am trying to use xine to view video files and it is dropping many frames. > I looked at the xine fac and it said to use a recent kernal optimized for > your hardware. I am using a stock kernel installed by the Redhat installer. > If I compile my own kernel would that make it optimized for my hard ware? > Do I need to do something to make it optimized? > There are many levels of optimization. From gcc switches to picking out the right settings for the kernel. The other applications can also be optimized for your system, of course that takes a recompile of the application. Mplayer, for example, won't even talk to you if you didn't compile the application from source on the box that is running it. The hard part about compiling your own kernel image is _knowing_ what your hardware is. You need to identify the North bridge on the MB, the south bridge (collectively called the chipset, but both may not be from the same company), the processor, the video card chipset, the sound card chipset, the NIC chipset and any other devices attached to the system. By selecting the correct hardware, you are optimizing the kernel. The stock kernel (for example) is compiled with drivers for BX440 chipsets, FX chipsets, ALI chipsets, AMD chipsets, SIS chipsets, and all the bug fixes for these, optimize by only compiling with your chipset selected, leave all of the others out. This is especially true for the processor, stock kernels assume you have the lowest powered processor that will still get the job done. I'm not sure if this is what you wanted to hear, but I tried anyway. Good Luck Derek Loree From guy1656 at ados.com Tue Apr 2 22:17:42 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:17:42 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Used HD? Message-ID: <20020402220847.06432343C5@ados.com> Does anyone have a used hard disk they'd part with for a few $$? I'm looking for a 'pounder' (something to pound on that isn't mission critical) of about 4GB - 10GB. GLL From jeme at brelin.net Tue Apr 2 22:25:04 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:25:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Sean Lewis wrote: > So my bozo friend who like to use non-sequitor subject lines such as > "Free Mattress Tester!", if he lived in WA, would be breaking the law? > Cool! No, your friend is only breaking the law if the message goes on to offer commercial product or service and doesn't back up his offer of the free mattress tester. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From jeme at brelin.net Tue Apr 2 22:29:57 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:29:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] security? In-Reply-To: <1017753739.14047.58.camel@kat.zotnet.com> Message-ID: On 2 Apr 2002, Zot O'Connor wrote: > > Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > I had a redhat7.2 system behind a firewall with only ports 80, 20, 21, > > 22 open on Wednesday, running fine. Today, there are only 8MB of files > > left on the 9GB system. A df last week showed about 30% used. The > > journal files are still there, but not much else. fsck shows clean. > > run "du -s /xxxx" where xxxx is a directory off of root "/" > > Do this for each dir off of root. It will tell you where the 8Gb is. Um, you SHOULD be able to do this instead: `du -xms /*|sort -n` That will do all of the subdirectories off of / without crossing filesystem boundaries and just give you totals, in megabytes, for each subtree. But I just tried it and -x doesn't seem to do what I thought it should do. For example /home is an NFS mount, but du -xms /* still attempted to descend /home. Does that seem right to anyone? J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From zot at whiteknighthackers.com Tue Apr 2 22:34:32 2002 From: zot at whiteknighthackers.com (Zot O'Connor) Date: 02 Apr 2002 14:34:32 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] CRIME MEETING (2nd this month) A taste of 3G -- Verizon Wireless Message-ID: <1017786873.14046.140.camel@kat.zotnet.com> The regular CRIME meeting (not April 5th's meeting with spaf) is April 9. Randy Walter, Verizon, will be serving food (of all things!) at the next regular CRIME meeting, 10:00 a.m, Tuesday, 9 April, 2002. http://crime.zotconsulting.com/meetings.php3 Topic: "Express Network: A Taste of 3G" Next generation high speed networking --High speed data enabled handsets --AirCard 555 - Features & Capabilities --3G wireless data - Case Studies and Solutions 15575 SW Sequoia Pkwy, Tigard There is no cost for CRIME meetings. Slides are available on the web site. -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com From allyn at well.com Tue Apr 2 22:54:57 2002 From: allyn at well.com (Mark Allyn) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:54:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] CRIME MEETING (2nd this month) A taste of 3G -- Verizon Wireless In-Reply-To: <1017786873.14046.140.camel@kat.zotnet.com> Message-ID: Does anyone out there know how to get to these meetings from downtown Portland either by bicycle or by tri-met? I don't own a car. Mark From wcooley at nakedape.cc Tue Apr 2 23:05:01 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:05:01 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] CRIME MEETING (2nd this month) A taste of 3G -- Verizon Wireless In-Reply-To: ; from allyn@well.com on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 02:54:57PM -0800 References: <1017786873.14046.140.camel@kat.zotnet.com> Message-ID: <20020402150501.B7893@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Mark Allyn on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 02:54:57PM PST > > Does anyone out there know how to get to these meetings from downtown > Portland either by bicycle or by tri-met? I don't own a car. Find someone to get a ride with. You could bike, I suppose, but bus service is lousy in that area. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jeme at brelin.net Tue Apr 2 23:15:07 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:15:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] CRIME MEETING (2nd this month) A taste of 3G -- Verizon Wireless In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Mark Allyn wrote: > Does anyone out there know how to get to these meetings from downtown > Portland either by bicycle or by tri-met? I don't own a car. Yeah, unfortunately I'd say get a ride (which I'll probably try to do myself... hint, hint). It's probably possible to take the 12 down to somewhere close by and bike the rest of the way, but I wasn't paying enough attention last time I was there to figure it out. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From longman at sharplabs.com Tue Apr 2 23:14:28 2002 From: longman at sharplabs.com (Longman, Bill) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:14:28 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] security? Message-ID: > On 2 Apr 2002, Zot O'Connor wrote: > > > Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > > I had a redhat7.2 system behind a firewall with only > ports 80, 20, 21, > > > 22 open on Wednesday, running fine. Today, there are only > 8MB of files > > > left on the 9GB system. A df last week showed about 30% used. The > > > journal files are still there, but not much else. fsck > shows clean. > > > > run "du -s /xxxx" where xxxx is a directory off of root "/" > > > > Do this for each dir off of root. It will tell you where > the 8Gb is. > > Um, you SHOULD be able to do this instead: `du -xms /*|sort -n` > > That will do all of the subdirectories off of / without crossing > filesystem boundaries and just give you totals, in megabytes, for each > subtree. > > But I just tried it and -x doesn't seem to do what I thought > it should do. > > For example /home is an NFS mount, but du -xms /* still attempted to > descend /home. > > Does that seem right to anyone? I've only ever seen the "find -mount" to restrict file system traversal. But, I haven't been admining Linux too long, so maybe there's a few new tricks I haven't seen. I usually use 'find /filesys -mount -ls | sort -n +6" and I'm home free, or tail it to see the real biggies I'm interested in. Bill From deathfox at moochercrew.org Tue Apr 2 23:11:16 2002 From: deathfox at moochercrew.org (Chris Emery) Date: 02 Apr 2002 15:11:16 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] CRIME MEETING (2nd this month) A taste of 3G -- Verizon Wireless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1017789076.14167.1.camel@arisu> On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 14:54, Mark Allyn wrote: > > Does anyone out there know how to get to these meetings from downtown > Portland either by bicycle or by tri-met? I don't own a car. > > Mark > You could always go to www.tri-met.org and use their Trip Planner, it works fairly well most of the time, I've gotten some weird trips planned out for me, but usually they are straight forward. From zot at whiteknighthackers.com Tue Apr 2 23:21:59 2002 From: zot at whiteknighthackers.com (Zot O'Connor) Date: 02 Apr 2002 15:21:59 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] CRIME MEETING (2nd this month) A taste of 3G -- Verizon Wireless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1017789719.14094.149.camel@kat.zotnet.com> Looking at www.tri-met.org, the 96 comes within 0.4 miles. From downtown it is sorta direct. Timing might be an issue. Sequoia is the Frontage road from Bonita to Carman Drive It parallels 72 right there (before 72nd bends at Qualcomm). You can bicycle down macadam to Lake Oswego, cross LO to Carman drive and come over. Or you could shoot down 99W and pick up 72nd at Costco (before 99w hits 217). I am sure there are better bike paths. There are a quite a few folks from PLUG who will want to go, and they may be able to car pool. I know Alan Olsen is looking for a ride. On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 14:54, Mark Allyn wrote: > > Does anyone out there know how to get to these meetings from downtown > Portland either by bicycle or by tri-met? I don't own a car. > > Mark > > -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com From pluglist at bratgrrl.com Tue Apr 2 23:37:30 2002 From: pluglist at bratgrrl.com (Carla Schroder) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 23:37:30 GMT Subject: [PLUG] Re: Alternatives to Vmware? In-Reply-To: <200204021904.g32J4ek18043@gate.daniloff.com> References: <200204021904.g32J4ek18043@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: <20020402233730.21470.qmail@callisto.affordablehost.com> Alex Daniloff writes: > Hello Linux folkz, > Does somebody know any good alternatives to Vmware to run a few M$ > applications as Word97, Excel97. > My manager still can't get rid of his nasty habit of using M$ > applications. > Many thanks in advance for any advise or source of information. > > Alex I haven't tried it, but it's generating good buzz: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/4126/1/ Crossover Office It's an implementation of Wine that actually works. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carla Schroder, Bratgrrl Computing Plain English Spoken Here www.bratgrrl.com This message brought to you by SqWebMail and qmail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com Wed Apr 3 00:00:12 2002 From: jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com (Jon Jacob) Date: 02 Apr 2002 16:00:12 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Xine and kernals In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA6E2@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA6E2@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <1017792013.30753.90.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Yes. I recently had to upgrade to the 2.4.18 kernel to get my firewire to work right. Which it does, very nicely. When I did that, I noticed the mplayer AND xine worked quite a bit better. I can't give you and fancy technical reasons why, bec I have no idea why but it did for me. Hope you have the same luck. On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 12:16, Craighead, Scot D wrote: > I am trying to use xine to view video files and it is dropping many frames. > I looked at the xine fac and it said to use a recent kernal optimized for > your hardware. I am using a stock kernel installed by the Redhat installer. > If I compile my own kernel would that make it optimized for my hard ware? > Do I need to do something to make it optimized? > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From galens at seitzassoc.com Wed Apr 3 00:09:46 2002 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:09:46 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] security? In-Reply-To: Message from Jeme A Brelin of "Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:29:57 PST." Message-ID: <200204030009.g3309kP25396@tinman.seitzassoc.com> > > Um, you SHOULD be able to do this instead: `du -xms /*|sort -n` > > That will do all of the subdirectories off of / without crossing > filesystem boundaries and just give you totals, in megabytes, for each > subtree. > > But I just tried it and -x doesn't seem to do what I thought it should do. > > For example /home is an NFS mount, but du -xms /* still attempted to > descend /home. I think by using /*, you just passed du a bunch of names, each on which it should not descend. How about 'du -xms /'? That works here. In my case it's not too useful, as I have many separate partitions. I'm afraid manually excluding unwanted partitions may be the only practical option with du. i.e. du -xms --exclude=proc --exclude=mnt /* galen From deanm at sharplabs.com Wed Apr 3 00:57:23 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:57:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Re: Alternatives to Vmware? In-Reply-To: <20020402233730.21470.qmail@callisto.affordablehost.com> (pluglist@bratgrrl.com) References: <200204021904.g32J4ek18043@gate.daniloff.com> <20020402233730.21470.qmail@callisto.affordablehost.com> Message-ID: <20020403005723.3BFEC10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Alex Daniloff writes: > Hello Linux folkz, > Does somebody know any good alternatives to Vmware to run a few M$ > applications as Word97, Excel97. > My manager still can't get rid of his nasty habit of using M$ > applications. > Many thanks in advance for any advise or source of information. > > Alex Win4lin. Been running it for two years. Lightweight and relatively inexpensive. Rock solid for stuff like windows + office apps. Keeps your Windows installation in a linux filesystem so backup and access directly from linux is easy. http://www.netraverse.com/ From jeme at brelin.net Wed Apr 3 00:58:46 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:58:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] security? In-Reply-To: <200204030009.g3309kP25396@tinman.seitzassoc.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Galen Seitz wrote: > I think by using /*, you just passed du a bunch of names, each on > which it should not descend. How about 'du -xms /'? That works here. I thought that might be the case... that by explicitly passing /home I'm telling it to descend the filesystem mounted there. Out of laziness, however, I failed to test the theory. I would think, though, that /home is on / and /home/* is the other filesystem... I mean to say that the "boundary" is after the /home. After all, when I umount /home I still have /home on /. I know, I know. Just because you can interpret another way doesn't make the interpretation true. > In my case it's not too useful, as I have many separate partitions. > I'm afraid manually excluding unwanted partitions may be the only > practical option with du. i.e. du -xms --exclude=proc --exclude=mnt > /* Weird that -X takes a file and replaces --exclude-from rather than simply replacing --exclude. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From briand at aracnet.com Wed Apr 3 01:12:00 2002 From: briand at aracnet.com (briand at aracnet.com) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:12:00 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Re: Alternatives to Vmware? In-Reply-To: <20020403005723.3BFEC10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> References: <200204021904.g32J4ek18043@gate.daniloff.com> <20020402233730.21470.qmail@callisto.affordablehost.com> <20020403005723.3BFEC10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Message-ID: <15530.22240.84826.443723@soggy.deldotd.com> >>>>> "Dean" == Dean S Messing writes: Dean> Win4lin. Does it require you to use a specific kernel ? Last time I looked (a few days ago) it seemed that you had to run 2.4.3. Unfortunately for some of us that need bleeding edge drivers and other goodies that's not an option. That's why the crossover product looks very promising. Brian From deanm at sharplabs.com Wed Apr 3 01:21:31 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:21:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Re: Alternatives to Vmware? In-Reply-To: <15530.22240.84826.443723@soggy.deldotd.com> (briand@aracnet.com) References: <200204021904.g32J4ek18043@gate.daniloff.com> <20020402233730.21470.qmail@callisto.affordablehost.com> <20020403005723.3BFEC10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> <15530.22240.84826.443723@soggy.deldotd.com> Message-ID: <20020403012131.B21D010E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> :: Does it require you to use a specific kernel ? Last time I looked (a :: few days ago) it seemed that you had to run 2.4.3. :: :: Unfortunately for some of us that need bleeding edge drivers and other :: goodies that's not an option. :: :: That's why the crossover product looks very promising. :: :: Brian Win4lin has support for kernels up to 2.4.18 I believe (but I am running it on a laptop with 2.2.18. (Mdk 7.2). They have a "special relationship" with Mandrake so that when a new Mdk dist. is introduced, win4lin has the kernel patches for it immediately. The latest Mdk is 8.2 which has 2.4.18. I'm fixing to install it on my 8.2 desktop as soon as I get my X/fonts problems solved. They also have _excellent_ support via the mailing list. Those interested should subscribe: http://www.netraverse.com/support/maillists.php It is relatively low traffic and (almost) noise-free ... unlike (ahem) some other mailing lists I know of :-) Dean From m at netpro.to Wed Apr 3 01:32:14 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:32:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Anti-unix site down after switching to Windows Message-ID: This is too funny... what a PR nightmare this has become for MS. http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-874223.html From iconoklastic at yahoo.com Wed Apr 3 02:14:22 2002 From: iconoklastic at yahoo.com (Robert Kopp) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:14:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Problems Booting from HD Message-ID: <20020403021422.6279.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> I have a Mandrake 8.1 installation that boots only from a floppy. There is no boot selector now installed--the computer boots straight into Windows if it doesn't find a boot disk for another OS. Since the Mandrake installation is at about 5700 cylinders, GRUB would probably be the better choice for a boot loader. There is a boot partition at /dev/hda2 and a root partition at /dev/hda3. I also find a file, /boot/grub/menu.lst containing the following: title linux kernel (hd0,1}/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 hdc=ide-scsi devfs=mount initrd (hd0,1)/initrd.img The command /usr/sbin/grub brings up a prompt, grub> and there seem to be lots of things you can do. In my case, the boot loader itself is not even installed! BTW, those who have Abiword installed from an .rpm and are complaining about the ugly fonts might take note of my experience. If you get rid of the .rpm and install it from a tarball, it will complain about not being able to install its fonts. But if you dismiss this screen by clicking on "OK," you can still use Abiword. ===== Robert "Tim" Kopp http://analytic.tripod.com/ "SAMBA--opening Windows to a wider world." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From deathfox at moochercrew.org Wed Apr 3 02:19:29 2002 From: deathfox at moochercrew.org (Chris Emery) Date: 02 Apr 2002 18:19:29 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Problems Booting from HD In-Reply-To: <20020403021422.6279.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020403021422.6279.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1017800369.14167.4.camel@arisu> > The command /usr/sbin/grub brings up a prompt, > grub> > > and there seem to be lots of things you can do. In my > case, the boot loader itself is not even installed! For newer versions of grub there is a command called grub-install that should write your boot sector (If I remember properly), otherwise there are some howto's online, or in the info pages, that aren't to hard to find. If you really need me to look them up cause you can't find them I would be happy to, but the grub-install should work fine. From mikedela at ipns.com Wed Apr 3 02:48:34 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:48:34 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Once again, I can't find the archives Message-ID: <000b01c1daba$12c11320$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> I've got a bookmark at: http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/ But It won't load for me, even after warning me about a potentially faulty certificate. The last time I tried to use it it looked like it was a couple of days old. Is there something a member can do to help? ___________________ Mike De La Mater PC repairs, Network Consulting, Web Services, etc. 25 years experience mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 //// (0 0) ooO (_) Ooo -=-=-=-=-=- Effective Computer Services -=-=-=-=-=- (_) (_) From wcooley at nakedape.cc Wed Apr 3 02:57:04 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:57:04 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Once again, I can't find the archives In-Reply-To: <000b01c1daba$12c11320$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com>; from mikedela@ipns.com on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 06:48:34PM -0800 References: <000b01c1daba$12c11320$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> Message-ID: <20020402185704.C7893@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Mike De La Mater on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 06:48:34PM PST > I've got a bookmark at: > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/ > > But It won't load for me, even after warning me about a potentially faulty > certificate. > > The last time I tried to use it it looked like it was a couple of days old. > > Is there something a member can do to help? It's a faulty redirect. If you use https://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/ instead you'll get it (note the 'https' instead of 'http'). Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wcooley at nakedape.cc Wed Apr 3 02:58:16 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:58:16 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Anti-unix site down after switching to Windows In-Reply-To: ; from m@netpro.to on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 05:32:14PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20020402185816.D7893@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Matt Alexander on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 05:32:14PM PST > This is too funny... what a PR nightmare this has become for MS. > > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-874223.html I checked yesterday and it was running IIS. I'm guessing it got /.'d. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikedela at ipns.com Wed Apr 3 03:47:59 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:47:59 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Once again, I can't find the archives In-Reply-To: <20020402185704.C7893@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <001201c1dac2$59bc2e60$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> Nope, same result. > It's a faulty redirect. If you use > https://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/ instead you'll get it > (note the 'https' instead of 'http'). ___________________ Mike De La Mater www.theplatinumrule.com PC repairs, Network Consulting, Web Services, etc. 25 years experience mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 //// (0 0) ooO (_) Ooo -=-=-=-=-=- Effective Computer Services -=-=-=-=-=- (_) (_) > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Wil Cooley > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:57 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Once again, I can't find the archives > > > Also Sprach Mike De La Mater on Tue, Apr > 02, 2002 at 06:48:34PM PST > > I've got a bookmark at: > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/ > > > > But It won't load for me, even after warning me about a > potentially faulty > > certificate. > > > > The last time I tried to use it it looked like it was a > couple of days old. > > > > Is there something a member can do to help? > > It's a faulty redirect. If you use > https://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/ instead you'll get it > (note the 'https' instead of 'http'). > > Wil > -- > Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc > Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc > irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs > From wcooley at nakedape.cc Wed Apr 3 03:50:14 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:50:14 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Once again, I can't find the archives In-Reply-To: <001201c1dac2$59bc2e60$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com>; from mikedela@ipns.com on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:47:59PM -0800 References: <20020402185704.C7893@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <001201c1dac2$59bc2e60$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> Message-ID: <20020402195014.E7893@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Mike De La Mater on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:47:59PM PST > Nope, same result. > > > It's a faulty redirect. If you use > > https://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/ instead you'll get it > > (note the 'https' instead of 'http'). Hm, works for me. Did you accept the unsigned certificate? Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikedela at ipns.com Wed Apr 3 04:21:35 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:21:35 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Once again, I can't find the archives In-Reply-To: <20020402195014.E7893@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <001701c1dac7$0b6378e0$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> It looks like my MSIE is more broken than it is normally. Opera opens the page just fine. Sorry for all the noise. ___________________ Mike De La Mater www.theplatinumrule.com PC repairs, Network Consulting, Web Services, etc. 25 years experience mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 //// (0 0) ooO (_) Ooo -=-=-=-=-=- Effective Computer Services -=-=-=-=-=- (_) (_) > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Wil Cooley > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:50 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Once again, I can't find the archives > > > Also Sprach Mike De La Mater on Tue, Apr > 02, 2002 at 07:47:59PM PST > > Nope, same result. > > > > > It's a faulty redirect. If you use > > > https://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/ instead you'll get it > > > (note the 'https' instead of 'http'). > > Hm, works for me. Did you accept the unsigned certificate? > > Wil > -- > Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc > Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc > irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs > From sean_whitney at bigfoot.com Wed Apr 3 04:54:10 2002 From: sean_whitney at bigfoot.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:54:10 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Re: Alternatives to Vmware? In-Reply-To: <15530.22240.84826.443723@soggy.deldotd.com> References: <200204021904.g32J4ek18043@gate.daniloff.com> <20020403005723.3BFEC10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> <15530.22240.84826.443723@soggy.deldotd.com> Message-ID: <20020403045415.84268C4F4@max.seansdomain.org> My wife's machine is running win4lin on a 2.4.17 kernel. Sean On Tuesday 02 April 2002 17:12, you hammered at the keyboard: > >>>>> "Dean" == Dean S Messing writes: > > Dean> Win4lin. > > Does it require you to use a specific kernel ? Last time I looked (a > few days ago) it seemed that you had to run 2.4.3. > > Unfortunately for some of us that need bleeding edge drivers and other > goodies that's not an option. > > That's why the crossover product looks very promising. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Cancel me not -- for what then shall remain? Abscissas, some mantissas, modules, modes, A root or two, a torus and a node: The inverse of my verse, a null domain. -- Stanislaw Lem, "Cyberiad" From aj at haightmail.org Wed Apr 3 06:11:15 2002 From: aj at haightmail.org (Aj Lavin) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:11:15 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Audio Extraction broken on Via 686b? In-Reply-To: <3CAA2350.230211A4@infotects.com> References: <20020401194533.GB717@buckethead.localdomain> <3CA8EDD8.509FF6C1@infotects.com> <20020402012121.GA269@buckethead.localdomain> <3CAA2350.230211A4@infotects.com> Message-ID: <20020403061115.GA6830@zappa> On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 01:32:00PM -0800, Derek Loree wrote: > > scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 127, scsi0, channel > > 0, id 0, lun 0 UNKNOWN(0xbe) 00 00 00 00 07 00 00 0d f8 00 00 > > hdc: lost interrupt > > ide-scsi: The scsi wants to send us more data than expected - > > discarding data > > ide-scsi: transferred 7056 of 11760 bytes > > scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 128, scsi0, channel > > 0, id 0, lun 0 UNKNOWN(0xbe) 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 0d f8 00 00 > > hdc: lost interrupt > > ide-scsi: The scsi wants to send us more data than expected - > > discarding data > > ide-scsi: transferred 7056 of 11760 bytes > > scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 129, scsi0, channel > > 0, id 0, lun 0 UNKNOWN(0xbe) 00 00 00 00 21 00 00 0d f8 00 00 > > hdc: lost interrupt > > ide-scsi: The scsi wants to send us more data than expected - > > discarding data > > ide-scsi: transferred 7056 of 11760 bytes > > ... > > > > Any ideas? > > That lost interrupt error does not look good, have you tried to > flash the BIOS? Maybe a more relevant question, is your BIOS up to > date? Updated the BIOS today but didn't help. > The only other thing I can think of (and it may not be possible for > your CD drive) is to flash the firmware of the drive itself. This > is usually only possible with older drives (burners mostly), and you > more than likely will have to boot to DOS to run the flash utility. > Look at the manufacturer's website for more information. I'll look into that, but I think this is a controller problem and not a drive problem. > Those are the last of the ideas I have. > > Good Luck I ended up putting a second IDE controller (Promise Fasttrack 100) in the SV25's only PCI slot. I added Andre Hedrick's IDE patch ( Debian package "kernel-patch-2.2.20-ide" ) to my kernel to get support for the Promise controller. The patch includes VIA 686 chipset support, but selecting it didn't enable DAE. Anyway, DAE works fine now with the CD-ROM connected to the Promise controller. - Aj From da_rosser at yahoo.com Wed Apr 3 07:49:51 2002 From: da_rosser at yahoo.com (Doug Rosser) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:49:51 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Alternatives to Vmware? In-Reply-To: <200204021904.g32J4ek18043@gate.daniloff.com> References: <200204021904.g32J4ek18043@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: <02040223495106.01974@bubba> Unfortunately, VMWare still requires kernel patches to run under Linux, so that would be my first guess as to where the problem stems. As far as a full alternative to VMWare, try www.plex86.org. It aims to fully virtualize a PC just like VMWare. dr On Tuesday 02 April 2002 11:04 am, you wrote: > Hello Linux folkz, > Does somebody know any good alternatives to Vmware to run a few M$ > applications as Word97, Excel97. > My manager still can't get rid of his nasty habit of using M$ > applications. > Many thanks in advance for any advise or source of information. > > Alex > > P.S. > Information for thoughts: > Initially we ran VMware-2.0.3 on a half of our engineering > workstations in parallel with Linux (SuSE7.1 and SuSE7.3) > After six months of usage, suddenly, all these workstations started to > crash for no apparent reasons. It was looking as a hard drive falure. > In the same time workstations which ran Linux only, continued to run > without any problems. Hardware wise our 12 engineering workstations > are all identical. > Is it possible that running in parallel VMware on Linux could cause > such system crashes? > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From alex at linuxconsulting.org Wed Apr 3 10:42:23 2002 From: alex at linuxconsulting.org (Alex Kotov) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 02:42:23 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Once again, I can't find the archives In-Reply-To: <001701c1dac7$0b6378e0$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> References: <001701c1dac7$0b6378e0$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> Message-ID: <94888473577.20020403024223@linuxconsulting.org> Mike, What version of IE are you using? mod_ssl sometimes has mysterious problems communicating with IE < 5.01 over https. If lists.pdxlinux.org exhibits this problem, we may want put a note about it somewhere. MDLM> It looks like my MSIE is more broken than it is normally. Opera opens the MDLM> page just fine. Alex mailto:alex at linuxconsulting.org ICQ: 13064434 AIM: linuxcons From galens at seitzassoc.com Wed Apr 3 16:27:44 2002 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:27:44 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] reporting abuse Message-ID: <200204031627.g33GRiP01035@tinman.seitzassoc.com> At what point do should I consider reporting someone? I get scanned on a daily basis, but this is the first time I can recall someone trying to log in. thanks, galen ################## LogWatch 2.1.1 Begin ##################### --------------------- SSHD Begin ------------------------ **Unmatched Entries** Did not receive identification string from 216.27.138.161 input_userauth_request: illegal user test input_userauth_request: illegal user oracle Failed none for illegal user test from 216.27.138.161 port 3722 ssh2 Failed none for illegal user oracle from 216.27.138.161 port 3723 ssh2 Failed keyboard-interactive for illegal user test from 216.27.138.161 port 3722 ssh2 Failed keyboard-interactive for illegal user oracle from 216.27.138.161 port 3723 ssh2 Failed password for illegal user test from 216.27.138.161 port 3722 ssh2 Failed password for illegal user oracle from 216.27.138.161 port 3723 ssh2 ---------------------- SSHD End ------------------------- ###################### LogWatch End ######################### From rddunlap at osdl.org Wed Apr 3 16:26:56 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:26:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] [OT] web pages: tech, non-tech, h/w, s/w, wind, linux/unix Message-ID: Hi, At Dean's request, here is where my personal web pages live: http://www.xenotime.net I meant to rearrange them quite a bit (and make a linux-only page), but that's too time-consuming... I have better things to do. I know that there are lots of dead links here. I have already used linklint on it. I've been adding to this stuff since 1995, but haven't deleted much. Please don't report dead links to me. I'm not interested in contributions to this list. In fact, I'd like to reduce its size, not increase it. This list reflects my personal tastes and preferences for information. It's not meant to be something that everyone will want to use. -- ~Randy From srau at rauhaus.org Wed Apr 3 16:24:02 2002 From: srau at rauhaus.org (Stafford A. Rau) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:24:02 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] reporting abuse In-Reply-To: <200204031627.g33GRiP01035@tinman.seitzassoc.com> References: <200204031627.g33GRiP01035@tinman.seitzassoc.com> Message-ID: <20020403162402.GA12996@rauhaus.org> * Galen Seitz [020403 08:18]: > > At what point do should I consider reporting someone? I get scanned on > a daily basis, but this is the first time I can recall someone trying to > log in. > > thanks, > galen That looks worth reporting. Whois says the address is in Speakeasy DSL space, so I'd send a copy of your logs to abuse at speakeasy.net and let them know they have a naughty (or compromised) customer. --Stafford From m at netpro.to Wed Apr 3 16:49:59 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:49:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] reporting abuse In-Reply-To: <200204031627.g33GRiP01035@tinman.seitzassoc.com> Message-ID: 161.138.27.216.in-addr.arpa. domain name pointer dsl027-138-161.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net. Looks like it's a Speakeasy member. You should contact Speakeasy and see what they'll do for you. From the number of ports open on this user's box, it could also be a default install that's been compromised by someone else. ~M reply leadin > > At what point do should I consider reporting someone? I get scanned on > a daily basis, but this is the first time I can recall someone trying to > log in. > > thanks, > galen > > > > > ################## LogWatch 2.1.1 Begin ##################### > > > --------------------- SSHD Begin ------------------------ > > **Unmatched Entries** > Did not receive identification string from 216.27.138.161 > input_userauth_request: illegal user test > input_userauth_request: illegal user oracle > Failed none for illegal user test from 216.27.138.161 port 3722 ssh2 > Failed none for illegal user oracle from 216.27.138.161 port 3723 ssh2 > Failed keyboard-interactive for illegal user test from 216.27.138.161 port > 3722 ssh2 > Failed keyboard-interactive for illegal user oracle from 216.27.138.161 port > 3723 ssh2 > Failed password for illegal user test from 216.27.138.161 port 3722 ssh2 > Failed password for illegal user oracle from 216.27.138.161 port 3723 ssh2 > > > ---------------------- SSHD End ------------------------- > > > > ###################### LogWatch End ######################### > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Apr 3 17:05:31 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:05:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] reporting abuse In-Reply-To: <200204031627.g33GRiP01035@tinman.seitzassoc.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Galen Seitz wrote: > At what point do should I consider reporting someone? I get scanned on > a daily basis, but this is the first time I can recall someone trying to > log in. Galen, I do so on the first attempt. On my network, it's always an attempt to enter via ssh. /var/log/messages tells me the attempte was refused. I track down the owner of the offending IP address block and ask them to take the appropriate actions so the attempt is not repeated. I send them a copy of the line from the log. So far I've had either no reponse from the recipient of my message or very polite notes thanking me for making them aware of the situation. In one case it was an untended (and poorly administered) linux server sitting in a back room to which no one should have been able to access. Rich From rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com Wed Apr 3 17:23:43 2002 From: rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:23:43 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Anti-unix site down after switching to Windows Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463ACA2@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> > From: Wil Cooley [mailto:wcooley at nakedape.cc] > I checked yesterday and it was running IIS. I'm guessing it > got /.'d. Something worse than slashdotted, the page that loads from the site now reads: Site Not Found No web site is configured at this address. -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From richard.langis at sun.com Wed Apr 3 17:28:45 2002 From: richard.langis at sun.com (Richard Langis) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:28:45 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Anti-unix site down after switching to Windows References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463ACA2@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: <3CAB3BCD.80908@sun.com> That's not worse, that's better. They got their own FUD shoved back into their faces and decided they didn't like the taste. Serves them right for hosting a MS-Centric site on FreeBSD. BTW: Some enterprising soul created another site: http://www.wehavethewayin.com -R Michael Rasmussen wrote: >>From: Wil Cooley [mailto:wcooley at nakedape.cc] >>I checked yesterday and it was running IIS. I'm guessing it >>got /.'d. >> > > Something worse than slashdotted, the page that loads from the site now > reads: > > Site Not Found > No web site is configured at this address. > > > > -- > Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management > voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com > http://www.columbiafunds.com > > NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- s u n m i c r o s y s t e m s ~ Richard Langis Jr. ~ richard.langis at sun.com From rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com Wed Apr 3 17:58:05 2002 From: rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:58:05 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Anti-unix site down after switching to Windows Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463ACA7@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> > From: Richard Langis [mailto:richard.langis at sun.com] > > BTW: Some enterprising soul created another site: > http://www.wehavethewayin.com I went there expecting some crude joke and was pleasantly surprised by a well organized site providing an entry point into the Unix world. They divided the territory into the 3 sections of GNU/Linux, BSD and commercial. The GNU/Linux section starts with PHB respectable bullet points: * A Zona Research study found that more than half of large enterprises plan to increase their use of GNU/Linux. * J.S. Wurzler Underwriting Managers' ``hacker insurance'' costs 5-15% more if Windows is used instead of Unix or GNU/Linux for Internet operation. * The Gartner Group is recommending that businesses drop Microsoft IIS due to IIS's poor security track record. And then provides links to other studies and a link to linux.org distributions list. The commercial section lists Mac OSX first. The BSD section lists high-profile adopters Yahoo and Saab and directly addresses the wehavethewayout site - pointing out that it ran BSD. Good site to get on the track. -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From dmandel at pdxLinux.org Wed Apr 3 17:46:25 2002 From: dmandel at pdxLinux.org (David Mandel) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:46:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Need an expert Staroffice Trainers for a gig in Portland. Message-ID: I got the following posting from Ted Brockwood Contact him if you can and want to help him. On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Ted Brockwood wrote: > Hello, > Sorry to bother you, but I was given your name by John Shephard at Avalon > Group as someone who might know of any available Staroffice > Training/Trainers. > > Our company works with Sun, and as such, Sun requires that any documents we > submit to them MUST be in Staroffice formats. They flatly refuse to accept > documents in any other form. > > Anyhow, we LIVE in our office software suites, and need someone who really > really knows SO (mostly StarWriter and Starcalc) to provide some short > training sessions. Sun offers training, but not locally from what we can > find. This training would need to be as in-depth as humanly possible when it > comes to the software's features. We use lots of formatting and templates, > mail merges, and such, so the person who offers the training really needs to > have been a heavy user (not just someone who writes letters and memos in > it). > > If you happen to know anyone who fits the training bill, can you send me > their contact info or have them drop me a line ? > > Thanks a million +1 > > > __________________________________________ > Ted Brockwood > Information Technology Manager > KVO Public Relations - A Fleishman-Hillard Company > p: 503.721.4249 email: ted_brockwood at kvo.com > > Yahoo! Messenger ID: tedbw > ICQ ID: 37637371 > __________________________________________ > > Oh yes, I should probably mention that they are a Windows shop, so this would be StarOffice on Windows, but that shouldn't really matter much (as long as you like blue). Sincerely, David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 1440 NE 59th Portland, Oregon 97213 (360) 260-2066 at work (541) 730-5285 cell ====================================================================== David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com Other Affiliations David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org ====================================================================== From m at netpro.to Wed Apr 3 18:24:43 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:24:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] How to join Samba client to Windows domain? Message-ID: I'm trying to get a few Linux boxes running Samba 2.2.2 to join my Windows domain. Here's my smb.conf (fields changed to protect the guilty): [global] workgroup = MYCOMPANY netbios name = MYSERVER interfaces = 192.168.1.2 bind interfaces only = Yes security = DOMAIN password server = DC1 DC2 encrypt passwords = Yes preferred master = False local master = No domain master = False [ROOT] path = / Next, I try to join the domain: smbpasswd -j MYCOMPANY -r DC1 -U administrator Password: Error connecting to DC1 Unable to join domain MYCOMPANY. I've tried this from several different Linux boxes and they all behave the same way. Any ideas why I can't connect? Or maybe a suggestion on where to hunt for the answer? Thanks, ~M From russj at dimstar.net Wed Apr 3 18:33:30 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:33:30 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] How to join Samba client to Windows domain? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020403103231.00b12528@localhost> Try adding the machine to the PDC prior to running smbpasswd. There's no mechanism for adding the machine to the domain from the client. At 10:24 AM 4/3/2002 -0800, you wrote: >I've tried this from several different Linux boxes and they all behave the >same way. Any ideas why I can't connect? Or maybe a suggestion on where >to hunt for the answer? Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net Thesaurus: ancient reptile with an excellent vocabulary. From seant at q7.com Wed Apr 3 18:32:40 2002 From: seant at q7.com (Sean Lewis) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:32:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] How to join Samba client to Windows domain? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba-HOWTO-Collection.html Go to section 2.5.2 Sean From dmandel at pdxLinux.org Wed Apr 3 18:21:10 2002 From: dmandel at pdxLinux.org (David Mandel) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:21:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT: April PLUG Meeting Message-ID: ====================================================================== MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT The Portland Linux/Unix Group will meet 7 PM Thursday Apr 4, 2002 at Portland State University in the Smith Memorial Center Room 294/296 On the block bounded by SW Montgomery, SW Broadway (7th), SW Harrison, and SW Park (9th) ********************************************************** PRESENTATION Wiki Wiki by Ward Cunningham Ward Cunningham is the original developer of wikiwiki. He lives here in Portland and has a long history of software development. His company hosts the wikiwiki sites for Extreme Programming and (you guessed it) wikiwiki. See: http://www.c2.com and: http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiWiki and: http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?ExtremeProgrammingRoadmap ********************************************************** Agenda: 7:00 - 7:30 Business We will discuss the status of our ongoing projects including the monthly hands on clinics, PLUG for Education, etc. 7:30 - 8:30 Presentation See above 9:00 - ... Beer The Lucky Labrador Brewing Company 915 SE Hawthorne David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 1440 NE 59th Portland, Oregon 97213 (360) 260-2066 dmandel at pdxLinux.org P.S. The Mid Willamette Valley Linux Users Group meets at 2 PM on first Saturday of the month at Peak Inc in Corvallis. See http://lug.peak.org/ for details. P.S. The Eugene Linux Users Group meets regularly. See http://www.euglug.org for details. ====================================================================== David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com Other Affliations David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org ====================================================================== From sandy at herring.org Wed Apr 3 18:51:41 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:51:41 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Mozilla 0.9.4 filters In-Reply-To: ; from creelan@engr.orst.edu on Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 01:09:18AM -0800 References: <3C9C29E4.2080508@zaramyth.net> Message-ID: <20020403105141.H24504@kippered.herring.org> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Tyler F. Creelan wrote: [...] > A much better method is "procmail" which will sort your mail into folders > for later retrieval. Unfortunately, I find the syntax of procmail rules > baffling; it seems unlike any scripting language I know. Perhaps you can > find a good tutorial on procmail, or someone on the list can write up a > sample recipe. (I'd like to learn how to auto-respond to emails > containing .doc attachments with a polite letter. Also how to redirect and > decline email from hotmail and msn accounts. For example, if someone sends > me email from an msn account, a polite letter of rejection "I decline > email from the following domains..." is sent back.) > > Any procmail wizards out there? :) > > > Tyler Tyler, Check out examples and links at http://herring.org/techie.html#procmail and see if that helps you along. Feel free to post questions as you go. cheers, Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikedela at ipns.com Wed Apr 3 19:01:22 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:01:22 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Once again, I can't find the archives In-Reply-To: <94888473577.20020403024223@linuxconsulting.org> Message-ID: <000a01c1db41$f2d6b8c0$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> MSIE 5.50, but I suspect it's broken, it worked fine a week or so ago from this computer. I haven't tried it from any other MSIE client. Today, it loads the page after I accept the certificate, but won't let me click through to the archives, except the comprehensive 3Mb version. It won't let me download the comprehensive version, only view it. I'll check a few more computers later today and report back. ___________________ Mike De La Mater www.theplatinumrule.com PC repairs, Network Consulting, Web Services, etc. 25 years experience mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 //// (0 0) ooO (_) Ooo -=-=-=-=-=- Effective Computer Services -=-=-=-=-=- (_) (_) > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Alex Kotov > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:42 AM > To: Mike De La Mater > Subject: Re[2]: [PLUG] Once again, I can't find the archives > > > Mike, > > What version of IE are you using? mod_ssl sometimes has mysterious > problems communicating with IE < 5.01 over https. If > lists.pdxlinux.org exhibits this problem, we may want put a note about > it somewhere. > > MDLM> It looks like my MSIE is more broken than it is > normally. Opera opens the > MDLM> page just fine. > > Alex > > mailto:alex at linuxconsulting.org > ICQ: 13064434 > AIM: linuxcons > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From sandy at herring.org Wed Apr 3 19:26:58 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:26:58 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] security? In-Reply-To: <1017753739.14047.58.camel@kat.zotnet.com>; from zot@whiteknighthackers.com on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 05:22:19AM -0800 References: <20020324145658.F845@defiant.kingkon.com> <3C9E5F2F.2040104@jhenshaw.com> <20020328164608.C675@defiant.kingkon.com> <1017753739.14047.58.camel@kat.zotnet.com> Message-ID: <20020403112658.I24504@kippered.herring.org> On Tue, 02 Apr 2002, Zot O'Connor wrote: > On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 16:46, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > J.A. Henshaw's Log: StarDate 0324.1520: > > > Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > > > > > > I had a redhat7.2 system behind a firewall with only ports 80, 20, 21, > > > > 22 open on Wednesday, running fine. Today, there are only 8MB of files > > > > left on the 9GB system. A df last week showed about 30% used. The > > > > journal files are still there, but not much else. fsck shows clean. > > > > > > run "du -s /xxxx" where xxxx is a directory off of root "/" > > Do this for each dir off of root. It will tell you where the 8Gb is. > > I would hazard ftp might be the answer. If anon ftp is allowing file > uploads, someone can upload 8 Gb, and not break security. > > Once you fine the directory du a "du -s /xxxx/* | sort -n" > > The * measures sub directories. The sort shows the biggest last. > > a word of warning, don't do /proc, /net, or /misc or /mnt as they tend > to be mount points not directories. > > > -- > Zot O'Connor You could also try Randal's `findbig' Perl script... #!/usr/bin/perl require 'getopts.pl'; require 'find.pl'; &Getopts('n:'); $n = defined $opt_n ? $opt_n : 20; @ARGV = ($ENV{'HOME'}) unless @ARGV; &find(@ARGV); sub wanted { $size{$name} = -s _ if not -l and -f _; } @sorted = sort { $size{$b} <=> $size{$a} } keys %size; for (@sorted[0..($n-1)]) { printf "%40s, %5dK, last accessed %3d days ago\n", $_ , (-s)/1024, -A _; } Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jeff From alan at clueserver.org Wed Apr 3 18:43:40 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:43:40 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Anti-unix site down after switching to Windows In-Reply-To: <20020402185816.D7893@rheingold.nakedape.priv> References: <20020402185816.D7893@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <200204032122.g33LMoL32239@clueserver.org> On Tuesday 02 April 2002 18:58, Wil Cooley wrote: > Also Sprach Matt Alexander on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 05:32:14PM > PST > > > This is too funny... what a PR nightmare this has become for MS. > > > > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-874223.html > > I checked yesterday and it was running IIS. I'm guessing it > got /.'d. When I checked it yesterday, the configuration was horribly fubared. They were trying to use a virtual server, but the permissions were such that the server could not get any of the web contents. I am expecting someone to hack that server and add a picture of a guy with a gun to his head and the logo "We have the way out!". I find it funny that Microsoft is trying to sell people on the idea that Microsoft admins need less training than Unix admins. To do it right, they need *MORE* training. (As well as weird arcane knowledge about what registry entries to tweak.) Their sales pitch seems to be "It has a GUI and we have lots of money, so it must be better!". From alan at clueserver.org Wed Apr 3 18:48:16 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:48:16 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Xine and kernals In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA6E2@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA6E2@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <200204032127.g33LRPL32271@clueserver.org> On Tuesday 02 April 2002 12:16, Craighead, Scot D wrote: > I am trying to use xine to view video files and it is dropping many frames. > I looked at the xine fac and it said to use a recent kernal optimized for > your hardware. I am using a stock kernel installed by the Redhat > installer. If I compile my own kernel would that make it optimized for my > hard ware? Do I need to do something to make it optimized? You are more likely to see problems with your video card. Make sure you are running something with good hardware acceleration and that the version of X supports the Xv extension. (And make sure you have Xv support enabled in Xine.) What kind of video card do you have and what version of XFree86? From karlheg at microsharp.com Wed Apr 3 20:30:09 2002 From: karlheg at microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 03 Apr 2002 12:30:09 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Once again, I can't find the archives In-Reply-To: <000b01c1daba$12c11320$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> References: <000b01c1daba$12c11320$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> Message-ID: <1017865809.19433.38.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 18:48, Mike De La Mater wrote: > I've got a bookmark at: > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/ > > But It won't load for me, even after warning me about a potentially faulty > certificate. > > The last time I tried to use it it looked like it was a couple of days old. > > Is there something a member can do to help? It's the webserver configuration on that box, and is my fault. When you access that URL, you'll notice that it redirects you. Blap out the "/mailman/" part, and then you'll find the archives. I will fix the configuration later. From karlheg at microsharp.com Wed Apr 3 20:34:12 2002 From: karlheg at microsharp.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 03 Apr 2002 12:34:12 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Once again, I can't find the archives In-Reply-To: <20020402195014.E7893@rheingold.nakedape.priv> References: <20020402185704.C7893@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <001201c1dac2$59bc2e60$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> <20020402195014.E7893@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <1017866052.19433.42.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 19:50, Wil Cooley wrote: > Hm, works for me. Did you accept the unsigned certificate? They are not unsigned, just signed by my own CA. The second dialog is because the key is server wide -- it has to be with named virtual hosts. From ed at alcpress.com Wed Apr 3 21:50:45 2002 From: ed at alcpress.com (Ed Sawicki) Date: 03 Apr 2002 13:50:45 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] minicom direct connect Message-ID: <1017870645.21531.6.camel@red> I'm trying to use minicom to talk to the serial interface management port on a few devices here, such as a Cisco 678, Astrocom CSU/DSU, etc. It seems that minicom normally expects to talk to a modem that supports the Hayes AT command set. What do I need to do to get it to talk to a directly-connected device? Ed From wcooley at nakedape.cc Wed Apr 3 21:55:41 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:55:41 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] minicom direct connect In-Reply-To: <1017870645.21531.6.camel@red>; from ed@alcpress.com on Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 01:50:45PM -0800 References: <1017870645.21531.6.camel@red> Message-ID: <20020403135541.G5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Ed Sawicki on Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 01:50:45PM PST > I'm trying to use minicom to talk to the serial interface management > port on a few devices here, such as a Cisco 678, Astrocom CSU/DSU, etc. > It seems that minicom normally expects to talk to a modem that supports > the Hayes AT command set. What do I need to do to get it to talk to a > directly-connected device? First of all, make sure you've got the right cable--Ciscos use a special "roll-over" cable. To make it forego the AT initialization, edit the init strings and just remove it. And make sure you set the comm parameters that the Cisco expects. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From griffint at aracnet.com Wed Apr 3 21:58:45 2002 From: griffint at aracnet.com (Terry Griffin) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:58:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] minicom direct connect In-Reply-To: <1017870645.21531.6.camel@red> from "Ed Sawicki" at Apr 03, 2002 01:50:45 PM Message-ID: <200204032158.g33LwkY03543@shell1.aracnet.com> I just go in to the minicom configuration and blank out the modem init string and other modem config strings. That usually clears things up. Terry > > I'm trying to use minicom to talk to the serial interface management > port on a few devices here, such as a Cisco 678, Astrocom CSU/DSU, etc. > It seems that minicom normally expects to talk to a modem that supports > the Hayes AT command set. What do I need to do to get it to talk to a > directly-connected device? > > Ed > -- Terry Griffin http://www.blindchicken.com/~terryg/ From rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com Wed Apr 3 22:03:59 2002 From: rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:03:59 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] minicom direct connect Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463ACBF@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Ed, In addition to the other good advice pay special attention to flow control. Many routers don't use it and if you have minicom configured for flow control you won't even get started with the session. -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From m at netpro.to Wed Apr 3 22:22:52 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:22:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] How to join Samba client to Windows domain? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020403103231.00b12528@localhost> Message-ID: Adding the machine to the PDC prior to running smbpasswd still didn't work so I upgraded to Samba 2.2.3a and I was able to join the domain from the client with this command: smbpasswd -r DC1 -j MYDOMAIN -U administrator reply leadin > Try adding the machine to the PDC prior to running smbpasswd. There's no > mechanism for adding the machine to the domain from the client. > > At 10:24 AM 4/3/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >I've tried this from several different Linux boxes and they all behave the > >same way. Any ideas why I can't connect? Or maybe a suggestion on where > >to hunt for the answer? > > Russ Johnson > http://www.dimstar.net > > > Thesaurus: ancient reptile with an excellent vocabulary. > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From ed at alcpress.com Wed Apr 3 22:53:49 2002 From: ed at alcpress.com (Ed Sawicki) Date: 03 Apr 2002 14:53:49 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] minicom direct connect In-Reply-To: <20020403135541.G5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> References: <1017870645.21531.6.camel@red> <20020403135541.G5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <1017874430.21549.10.camel@red> Yup. It works. The first time I tried it, I was connected to a broken Cisco 678. That's why I asked the question. When I plugged in to the working 678, it came right up at the usual 115 Kb/s rate. Thanks. Ed On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 13:55, Wil Cooley wrote: > Also Sprach Ed Sawicki on Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 01:50:45PM PST > > I'm trying to use minicom to talk to the serial interface management > > port on a few devices here, such as a Cisco 678, Astrocom CSU/DSU, etc. > > It seems that minicom normally expects to talk to a modem that supports > > the Hayes AT command set. What do I need to do to get it to talk to a > > directly-connected device? > > First of all, make sure you've got the right cable--Ciscos use a > special "roll-over" cable. To make it forego the AT initialization, > edit the init strings and just remove it. And make sure you set > the comm parameters that the Cisco expects. > > Wil > -- > Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc > Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc > irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs From guy1656 at ados.com Wed Apr 3 23:04:53 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:04:53 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Digital Audio? Message-ID: <20020403225525.D3F92345AD@ados.com> Any recommendations for a digital audio player that plays nice with Linux? (We have a Rio 600 that just bought the bit-dust, and are looking for a replacement...) GLL From deanm at sharplabs.com Wed Apr 3 23:48:32 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:48:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] patents and GPL software Message-ID: <20020403234832.8F02310E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Question: if I add patented technology to a GPL project and release such under the GPL, is it true that I relinquish my rights to charge a royalty for that patented technology? ? 2b of the GPL seems to indicate this, but I'm not a lawyer. I would appreciate responses only from those who actually _know_ the answer. I don't want to start a big speculative meta-legal discussion. Thanks. Dean From seniorr at aracnet.com Thu Apr 4 00:20:16 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 03 Apr 2002 16:20:16 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] patents and GPL software In-Reply-To: <20020403234832.8F02310E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> References: <20020403234832.8F02310E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Message-ID: <863cyc9uwv.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Dean" == Dean S Messing writes: Dean> Question: if I add patented technology to a GPL project and Dean> release such under the GPL, is it true that I relinquish my Dean> rights to charge a royalty for that patented technology? Dean> ? 2b of the GPL seems to indicate this, but I'm not a lawyer. Dean> I would appreciate responses only from those who actually _know_ Dean> the answer. I don't want to start a big speculative meta-legal Dean> discussion. I'd suggest that if you want an accurate answer and not a lot of idle wild-assed speculation and hearsay, you probably need to consult a competent attorney (how's that for a wild-assed guess?). -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From jeme at brelin.net Thu Apr 4 00:48:47 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:48:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] patents and GPL software In-Reply-To: <20020403234832.8F02310E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Dean S. Messing wrote: > Question: if I add patented technology to a GPL project and release > such under the GPL, is it true that I relinquish my rights to charge a > royalty for that patented technology? > > ? 2b of the GPL seems to indicate this, but I'm not a lawyer. > > I would appreciate responses only from those who actually _know_ the > answer. I don't want to start a big speculative meta-legal > discussion. My first question is, "Why would you release something you've patented under the GPL?" I mean, if you want to GPL it, don't patent it. You've already established prior art and can (given sufficient financial backing) destroy any subsequent patent claim on the technology. And if you want patent control, don't GPL it. The GPL grants a license to simply redistribute as well as modify and redistribute, so new implementations of your patented technology will be openly available to the public. I don't see what you or the public gains from combining those two philosophically disparate legal mechanisms. IANAL IANAL IANAL IANAL IANAL IANAL IANAL IANAL IANAL IANAL IANAL IANAL J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From alex at daniloff.com Thu Apr 4 00:58:42 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 16:58:42 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Substitution for Linneighborhood if =?iso-8859-1?q?any=3F?= In-Reply-To: <20020403112658.I24504@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: <200204040058.g340wgs30401@gate.daniloff.com> Hello Linux folkz, Does somebody know any graphical utility (other than Linneighborhood) to browse and mount SMB shares on Linux box. Linneighborhood doesn't seem to be working in our mixed Linux/WindowsNT environment. Thank you for any suggestions or thoughts. Alex From bill at coho.net Thu Apr 4 01:03:52 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:03:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Anti-unix site down after switching to Windows In-Reply-To: <200204032122.g33LMoL32239@clueserver.org> Message-ID: Just curious--how could you tell that that was the problem? What I say from dig made it look like a real machine (maybe covering for others behind it?). And is there some way to be certain that it doesn't have the right permissions? Bill On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: > On Tuesday 02 April 2002 18:58, Wil Cooley wrote: > > Also Sprach Matt Alexander on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 05:32:14PM > > PST > > > > > This is too funny... what a PR nightmare this has become for MS. > > > > > > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-874223.html > > > > I checked yesterday and it was running IIS. I'm guessing it > > got /.'d. > > When I checked it yesterday, the configuration was horribly fubared. > > They were trying to use a virtual server, but the permissions were such that > the server could not get any of the web contents. > > I am expecting someone to hack that server and add a picture of a guy with a > gun to his head and the logo "We have the way out!". > > I find it funny that Microsoft is trying to sell people on the idea that > Microsoft admins need less training than Unix admins. To do it right, they > need *MORE* training. (As well as weird arcane knowledge about what registry > entries to tweak.) Their sales pitch seems to be "It has a GUI and we have > lots of money, so it must be better!". > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From jelque at feather.net Thu Apr 4 01:07:44 2002 From: jelque at feather.net (Jeff Blain) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 19:07:44 -0600 Subject: [PLUG] Galeon In-Reply-To: References: <20020327143818.GA14664@blain.org> Message-ID: <20020404010744.GA9021@blain.org> Finally had the time to sit down and fix this. Edit line 1387 of /etc/gconf/schemas/galeon.schemas and set it to true. Jeff On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 11:28:05AM -0800, Keith Nasman wrote: > Ahh, I just looked at Galeon 1.2.0 on my test box and couldn't find it > either. Let us (me) know what you find out from the galeon mailing list. > > Keith > > > On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Jeff Blain wrote: > > > What's weird is that in version 1.2.0, that feature is not there. Which > > sucks because I love that feature, and truly miss it. Guess I will have > > to hit the galeon mailing list and try to see what's up. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeff > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 06:21:50AM -0800, Keith Nasman wrote: > > > On my version 1.0.3 you go to Settings -> Preferences -> User Interface > > > -> Mouse and check "Right click on back/forward items activates history > > > popup. > > > > > > BTW, thanks for the tip. I didn't know Galeon could do that. I think I'm > > > going to get attached to it :-) I also need to check out the other > > > features more too :-) > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > On Tue, 2002-03-26 at 19:42, Jeff Blain wrote: > > > > There is a setting in galeon but I can't seem to find it anymore. If you > > > > right click your page, you get a menu with back, forward, reload etc. If > > > > you right click, then right click again on the back button, you will get > > > > a history of previous URL's that you have visited. Anyone know where > > > > this setting is? I have enebled in the past but can't seem to find it > > > > now. > > > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From rcamacke at attbi.com Thu Apr 4 01:08:47 2002 From: rcamacke at attbi.com (Linux) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:08:47 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Floppy Firewall? Message-ID: <002e01c1db75$462263c0$0401a8c0@tina> Hello all. I'm trying to utilize a 386 that I have. Any good firewalls, floppy-based or not, that will run on a 386SX / 16 megahertz, 8 meg ram? Thanks for any help. Richard From deanm at sharplabs.com Thu Apr 4 01:30:26 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:30:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] patents and GPL software In-Reply-To: (message from Jeme A Brelin on Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:48:47 -0800) References: Message-ID: <20020404013026.4DABC10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Count on you to not only _not_ answer my question but, in addition, (i) to completely ignore my simple request and (ii) to give me a lot of un-asked-for "advice". Sheesh. FYI, I was having an "academic discussion" with a colleague about the question and I thought that one of the legal eagles on PLUG might know the answer. I put my request at the end precisely to AVOID the sort of OFF TOPIC discussion that I forsaw might occur if it weren't there. Over and out. Jeme Brelin writes: :: On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Dean S. Messing wrote: :: > Question: if I add patented technology to a GPL project and release :: > such under the GPL, is it true that I relinquish my rights to charge a :: > royalty for that patented technology? :: > :: > Paragraph 2b of the GPL seems to indicate this, but I'm not a lawyer. :: :: > I would appreciate responses only from those who actually _know_ the :: > answer. I don't want to start a big speculative meta-legal :: > discussion. :: :: My first question is, "Why would you release something you've patented :: under the GPL?" :: :: I mean, if you want to GPL it, don't patent it. You've already :: established prior art and can (given sufficient financial backing) :: destroy any subsequent patent claim on the technology. :: :: And if you want patent control, don't GPL it. The GPL grants a license :: :: Jeme A Brelin From guy1656 at ados.com Thu Apr 4 02:07:08 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:07:08 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] patents and GPL software In-Reply-To: <20020404013026.4DABC10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> References: <20020404013026.4DABC10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Message-ID: <20020404015741.16251344F0@ados.com> # ... I thought that one of the legal eagles on PLUG might know the answer. # :: My first question is, "Why would you release something you've patented # :: under the GPL?" # :: # :: You've already # :: established prior art and can (given sufficient financial backing) # :: destroy any subsequent patent claim on the technology. OK, I'm not a lawyer, but I do have 3 mechanical gizmo patents in application MYSELF, (and I paid for many billable hour$$$ to get here - just got third postcard, and 2 ot of 3 filing receipts from the USPTO) So I hope that this experience 'counts.' In one case, I disclosed a novelty in the claims specification but did not claim it as proprietary to me or my invention. By doing so I release this portion of the gizmo to public domain, in order to specifically damage a possible competitor of mine, whom I though might weasel around an NDA and attempt to run off with my invention. If my innovation as described hits public disclosure at a date (my file date) prior to my competitior's patent work in the same area) then I have rendered his work useless and killed off for him that particular potential income stream. (After all, -everybody else- is doing it free, right?) This is especially effective if I am a small entity or sole inventor, and my potential competitors are BIG CORPORATIONS ... GLL From llywrch at agora.rdrop.com Thu Apr 4 02:43:18 2002 From: llywrch at agora.rdrop.com (Geoff Burling) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:43:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] patents and GPL software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jeme A Brelin wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Dean S. Messing wrote: > > Question: if I add patented technology to a GPL project and release > > such under the GPL, is it true that I relinquish my rights to charge a > > royalty for that patented technology? > > > > ? 2b of the GPL seems to indicate this, but I'm not a lawyer. > > > > I would appreciate responses only from those who actually _know_ the > > answer. I don't want to start a big speculative meta-legal > > discussion. > > My first question is, "Why would you release something you've patented > under the GPL?" > > I mean, if you want to GPL it, don't patent it. You've already > established prior art and can (given sufficient financial backing) destroy > any subsequent patent claim on the technology. > > And if you want patent control, don't GPL it. The GPL grants a license to > simply redistribute as well as modify and redistribute, so new > implementations of your patented technology will be openly available to > the public. > > I don't see what you or the public gains from combining those two > philosophically disparate legal mechanisms. > I do. It's obvious. What a patent awards is the right to license a specific form of technology. I can license the technology for umpteen million dollars, give it away for free, or swap a license for a license for access to other patents. All of these practices have been done. Now say I am awarded a patent on the technology foo. I write a reference application that uses it called foomatic under the GPL. In doing so, I am granting a cost-free license to everyone who, in turn, uses it in GPL software. Proprietary software is prohibited from using this technology by reverse engineering, due to the fact I can sic a bunch of lawyers on the infringing company in return for a cut of the award/settlement. Unless they pay the amount I demand of them. It's tilting the playing field against certain corporations. A nice little poison pill, I might say. And it would have been useful had someone done this & pre-empted various low-lifes who patented such technologies as CSS, hyperlinking, & compression algorithms. I only wish I were smart enough to think of something worth patenting. It would be worth the effort to frustrate ``certain corporations". Geoff From mikedela at ipns.com Thu Apr 4 03:24:53 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:24:53 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Floppy Firewall? In-Reply-To: <002e01c1db75$462263c0$0401a8c0@tina> Message-ID: <000701c1db88$4a5c9060$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> floppyfw and freesco are two that are used on the list. There are others. It sounds like floppyfw is the most popular. I'd google for details. ___________________ Mike De La Mater PC repairs, Network Consulting, Web Services, etc. 25 years experience mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 //// (0 0) ooO (_) Ooo -=-=-=-=-=- Effective Computer Services -=-=-=-=-=- (_) (_) > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Linux > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:09 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: [PLUG] Floppy Firewall? > > > Hello all. I'm trying to utilize a 386 that I have. Any good > firewalls, floppy-based or not, that will run on a 386SX / 16 > megahertz, > 8 meg ram? Thanks for any help. > > Richard > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Thu Apr 4 03:30:07 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:30:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] A potentially useful discovery Message-ID: Perhaps I'm the last to figure this out, and the only one who cares, but I just learned that I can submit spamcop reports via lynx on a console. Most evenings, when I "quit" work for the day, I exit X but remained logged in for the occasional e-mail (incoming or outgoing). Sometimes spam comes through, and I've always waited until the next morning when I again log in to process it via mozilla. This evening, just for giggles, I opened a second console session and invoked lynx with the URL returned by spamcop. I did have to enter my username and password (as I do when using mozilla), but it worked! *I* think that's cool, even if I'm the only one who cares. :-) Rich From revans at e-z.net Thu Apr 4 07:43:22 2002 From: revans at e-z.net (Russell Evans) Date: 03 Apr 2002 23:43:22 PST Subject: [PLUG] Parsing ls output In-Reply-To: <20020401225918.GC6294@boora.com> References: <20020401225918.GC6294@boora.com> Message-ID: ls -hl | colrm 1 38 I'm using SuSE 7.3 and colrm seems to be from util-linux-2.11i-21. On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:59:18 -0800, Michael Montagne said: > Ok I've successfully manages to return t list of files on my FTP site > that are older than 180 days and excluding a set of directories that are > exempt from purging. I used the find command and some worthy > instruction from this list. Now I'd like to print a report before I > purge them all. I need Filename, date modified, and size. I don't want > all the permissions and owner/group stuff you get with ls -al. It seems > awk is a good tool for the job except that some of these file names have > spaces. Lots of spaces. Some are veritable essays. I'm having trouble > getting the filename parsed out using awk. > What are my other options? > From iconoklastic at yahoo.com Thu Apr 4 08:36:06 2002 From: iconoklastic at yahoo.com (Robert Kopp) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 00:36:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Device name /dev/scd0 Message-ID: <20020404083606.36656.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> I'm having trouble playing CD's because the software is looking for a device called /dev/cdrom. This doesn't appear anywhere on my system: /etc/fstab refers to my CD-RW as /dev/scd0. Could I rename it in /etc/fstab, or is there some other solution? ===== Robert "Tim" Kopp http://analytic.tripod.com/ "SAMBA--opening Windows to a wider world." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From jeme at brelin.net Thu Apr 4 10:47:29 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 02:47:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Device name /dev/scd0 In-Reply-To: <20020404083606.36656.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Robert Kopp wrote: > I'm having trouble playing CD's because the software is looking for a > device called /dev/cdrom. This doesn't appear anywhere on my system: > /etc/fstab refers to my CD-RW as /dev/scd0. Could I rename it in > /etc/fstab, or is there some other solution? As root: cd /dev ln -s scd0 cdrom That's it. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From ejahn at worksystems.org Thu Apr 4 15:32:39 2002 From: ejahn at worksystems.org (Eric Jahn) Date: 04 Apr 2002 07:32:39 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: MICROSOFT AND GM Message-ID: <1017934360.1737.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> At a recent computer exposition (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated, "If General Motors had kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon." In response to Bill's comments, GM issued a press release stating: "If General Motors had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:" 1. "For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day." 2. "Every time the lines in the road were repainted, you would have to buy a new car." 3. "Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some reason, you would simply accept this." 4. "Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine." 5. "Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive -- but would run on only five percent of the roads." 6. "The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "General Protection Fault" warning light." 7. "The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying." 8. "Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you outand refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna." 9. "Every time GM introduced a new car, car buyers would have to learn to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car." 10. "You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off." heres one of my own... 11. "you would be unable to change the oil, add wiper fluid or buy gas from anything other than a microsoft station. The under the hood components are inacessable to the owner!" From guy1656 at ados.com Thu Apr 4 15:53:05 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 07:53:05 -0800 Subject: OT - Re: [PLUG] Fwd: MICROSOFT AND GM In-Reply-To: <1017934360.1737.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1017934360.1737.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020404154335.3195134640@ados.com> Rep # # heres one of my own... # # 11. "you would be unable to change the oil, add wiper fluid or buy gas # from anything other than a microsoft station. The under the hood # components are inacessable to the owner!" Close - but here are a few more: 12. GM would buy a gas station chain, and add a 'performance additive' which does nothing but chelate the additives found in other gasoline brands in order to clog your fuel filters as punishment for using 'the other guys.' 13. Also, these station would change the shape and size of their fill nozzles so you would have to 'upgrade' your car from time to time. The Automotive Millenium Adaptor Act would prevent cranky, open-source funnel users from subverting this paradigm. 14. If you owned a trailer, you would have to call GM for authorization to hook it to your car after the third time, or if you traded out to a new trailer. Same goes for a ski/bike rack. GLL From clifford at crestodina.com Thu Apr 4 15:57:45 2002 From: clifford at crestodina.com (clifford crestodina) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:57:45 -0500 Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: MICROSOFT AND GM In-Reply-To: <1017934360.1737.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1017934360.1737.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200204041557.g34Fvhr14292@elysia.crestodina.com> Maybe somebody can help here but His Billness' comments are not original. I remember reading this from a book in the early 80's. I think the author was the founder of Atari or one of the other early computer companies. The name Evans comes to mind. He used the analogy but the auto was a Rolls Royce in his example. Unmask the plagarist... On Thursday 04 April 2002 10:32 am, you wrote: > At a recent computer exposition (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared > the computer industry with the auto industry and stated, "If General Motors > had kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would > all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon." > > In response to Bill's comments, GM issued a press release stating: > > "If General Motors had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be > driving cars with the following characteristics:" > > 1. "For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day." > > 2. "Every time the lines in the road were repainted, you would have to buy > a new car." > > 3. "Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would > have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut > off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. > For some reason, you would simply accept this." > > 4. "Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your > car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to > reinstall the engine." > > 5. "Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, > five times as fast and twice as easy to drive -- but would run on only five > percent of the roads." > > 6. "The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all > > be replaced by a single "General Protection Fault" warning light." > > 7. "The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying." > > 8. "Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you outand > refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, > turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna." > > 9. "Every time GM introduced a new car, car buyers would have to learn to > drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same > manner as the old car." > > 10. "You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off." > > heres one of my own... > > 11. "you would be unable to change the oil, add wiper fluid or buy gas > from anything other than a microsoft station. The under the hood > components are inacessable to the owner!" > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From nmeyers at javalinux.net Thu Apr 4 16:03:47 2002 From: nmeyers at javalinux.net (Nathan Meyers) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:03:47 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: MICROSOFT AND GM In-Reply-To: <200204041557.g34Fvhr14292@elysia.crestodina.com> References: <1017934360.1737.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200204041557.g34Fvhr14292@elysia.crestodina.com> Message-ID: <20020404160347.GA360@javalinux.net> On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 10:57:45AM -0500, clifford crestodina wrote: > Maybe somebody can help here but His Billness' comments are not original. I > remember reading this from a book in the early 80's. I think the author was > the founder of Atari or one of the other early computer companies. The name > Evans comes to mind. He used the analogy but the auto was a Rolls Royce in > his example. > > Unmask the plagarist... I think this was originally published by Doris Kearns Goodwin :-). Nathan From hapibeli at save-net.com Thu Apr 4 16:14:22 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:14:22 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Galeon In-Reply-To: <20020404010744.GA9021@blain.org> References: <20020327143818.GA14664@blain.org> <20020404010744.GA9021@blain.org> Message-ID: <20020404161343.E6FE15F66@server3.safepages.com> On Wednesday 03 April 2002 05:07 pm, you wrote: > Finally had the time to sit down and fix this. > > Edit line 1387 of /etc/gconf/schemas/galeon.schemas and set it to true. > > Jeff > I have another Galeon question. My bookmarks folder won't show the bottom half of my bookmarks though Konqueror and Mozilla just add the rest in a new window to the right of the first bookmarks window. Dirk From vickir at javalinux.net Thu Apr 4 16:29:48 2002 From: vickir at javalinux.net (Vicki Righettini) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:29:48 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: MICROSOFT AND GM References: <1017934360.1737.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <002101c1dbf5$f01d3140$0205a8c0@home.network> Ouch! Too true, too true. I'd never seen this before, btw. :-) ~~ V. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Jahn" To: Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:32 AM Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: MICROSOFT AND GM > At a recent computer exposition (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the > computer industry with the auto industry and stated, "If General Motors had > kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be > driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon." > > In response to Bill's comments, GM issued a press release stating: > > "If General Motors had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be > driving cars with the following characteristics:" > > 1. "For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day." > > 2. "Every time the lines in the road were repainted, you would have to buy a > new car." > > 3. "Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would > have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut > off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. > For some reason, you would simply accept this." > > 4. "Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your > car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to > reinstall the engine." > > 5. "Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, > five times as fast and twice as easy to drive -- but would run on only five > percent of the roads." > > 6. "The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all > > be replaced by a single "General Protection Fault" warning light." > > 7. "The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying." > > 8. "Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you outand > refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned > the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna." > > 9. "Every time GM introduced a new car, car buyers would have to learn to > drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same > manner as the old car." > > 10. "You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off." > > heres one of my own... > > 11. "you would be unable to change the oil, add wiper fluid or buy gas > from anything other than a microsoft station. The under the hood components > are inacessable to the owner!" > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Thu Apr 4 17:02:20 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 04 Apr 2002 09:02:20 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Device name /dev/scd0 In-Reply-To: <20020404083606.36656.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020404083606.36656.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1017939740.25619.2.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 00:36, Robert Kopp wrote: > I'm having trouble playing CD's because the software > is looking for a device called /dev/cdrom. This > doesn't appear anywhere on my system: /etc/fstab > refers to my CD-RW as /dev/scd0. Could I rename it in > /etc/fstab, or is there some other solution? FYI: The "scd" device names are considered deprecated in favor of naming them with "sr". If you build your kernel with "devfs", have it mount that at boot, and IMPORTANT run the "devfsd", you'll find them by that name, and devfs will create "/dev/cdroms/" with a link to each CD device inside there. From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Thu Apr 4 17:07:58 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 04 Apr 2002 09:07:58 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Substitution for Linneighborhood if any? In-Reply-To: <200204040058.g340wgs30401@gate.daniloff.com> References: <200204040058.g340wgs30401@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: <1017940078.25619.6.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 16:58, Alex Daniloff wrote: > Does somebody know any graphical utility (other than Linneighborhood) > to browse and mount SMB shares on Linux box. > Linneighborhood doesn't seem to be working in our mixed > Linux/WindowsNT environment. Perhaps "gnomba" will work for you? From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Thu Apr 4 17:26:53 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:26:53 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Xine and kernals Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA705@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> >You are more likely to see problems with your video card. > >Make sure you are running something with good hardware acceleration and that >the version of X supports the Xv extension. (And make sure you have Xv >support enabled in Xine.) > >What kind of video card do you have and what version of XFree86? According to hwbrowser the video card is a SIS 620. It also says 6306 3D-AGP. I'm not sure what that means, but I think that AGP stands for Advanced Graphics Port with is usually a slot on the motherboard that is similiar to a PCI slot, but is designed for high speed graphics. This "card" is actualy on the motherboard, not a seperate card. According to rpm, I am using XFree86 4.1.0-3. I don't know whay Xv extension means. I will research that. From bhoran at hexdev.com Thu Apr 4 17:46:36 2002 From: bhoran at hexdev.com (Brian Horan) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:46:36 -0500 Subject: [PLUG] Substitution for Linneighborhood if any? In-Reply-To: <1017940078.25619.6.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> References: <200204040058.g340wgs30401@gate.daniloff.com> <1017940078.25619.6.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Message-ID: <20020404173100.KSNB1189.imf08bis.bellsouth.net@there> or how about xsmbrowser? http://www.icewalk.com/softlib/app/app_00312.html On Thursday 04 April 2002 12:07 pm, you wrote: > On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 16:58, Alex Daniloff wrote: > > Does somebody know any graphical utility (other than Linneighborhood) > > to browse and mount SMB shares on Linux box. > > Linneighborhood doesn't seem to be working in our mixed > > Linux/WindowsNT environment. > > Perhaps "gnomba" will work for you? > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From derek at infotects.com Thu Apr 4 17:44:43 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 09:44:43 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Substitution for Linneighborhood if any? References: <200204040058.g340wgs30401@gate.daniloff.com> <1017940078.25619.6.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Message-ID: <3CAC910B.8211CBA6@infotects.com> "Karl M. Hegbloom" wrote: > On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 16:58, Alex Daniloff wrote: > > > Does somebody know any graphical utility (other than Linneighborhood) > > to browse and mount SMB shares on Linux box. > > Linneighborhood doesn't seem to be working in our mixed > > Linux/WindowsNT environment. > > Perhaps "gnomba" will work for you? There is also a tksmbbrowser. > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From derek at infotects.com Thu Apr 4 17:57:58 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 09:57:58 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] error compiling gnomemeeting Message-ID: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> Hi all, I have downloaded the source code for a program called gnomemeeting (looks and acts like M$ Netmeeting). I've followed all the directions, set up the libraries, compiled all the stuff that it depends on (openH323 and pwlib) and got configure to run without any errors. The error happens during the make process. gnomemeeting.cpp: In method `void GnomeMeeting::Connect()': gnomemeeting.cpp:223: no matching function for call to `GMH323EndPoint::MakeCallLocked (PString &, PString &)' make[2]: *** [gnomemeeting.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/GnomeMeeting-0.85.1/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/GnomeMeeting-0.85.1' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 As you all may know, I'm not really a programmer and I can't make heads or tails of this error. Is there a missing library, or a broken library, or a messed up compiler, anyone seen any thing like this? Google, btw, came up empty :-( There is a gnomemeeting mail list, but you are required to sign up before you can post anything to them, I really don't need another mailing list to monitor. Thanks Derek Loree From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Thu Apr 4 18:13:08 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 04 Apr 2002 10:13:08 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... In-Reply-To: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> Message-ID: <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 09:57, Derek Loree wrote: > I have downloaded the source code for a program called > gnomemeeting (looks and acts like M$ Netmeeting). I've > followed all the directions, set up the libraries, compiled > all the stuff that it depends on (openH323 and pwlib) and > got configure to run without any errors. The error happens > during the make process. > > [...] > > As you all may know, I'm not really a programmer and I can't > make heads or tails of this error. I would not bother compiling it, and would instead just "apt-get install gnomemeeting". From deanm at sharplabs.com Thu Apr 4 18:28:42 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:28:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] patents and GPL software In-Reply-To: message from Geoff Burling on Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:43:18 -0800 Message-ID: <20020404182842.251BD10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Thanks, Geoff and Guy, for your helpful comments. You raise some interesting issues regarding patents and GPL that we had not thought of. Dean guy1656 wrote: :: # ... I thought that one of the legal eagles on PLUG might know the answer. :: :: # :: My first question is, "Why would you release something you've patented :: # :: under the GPL?" :: # :: :: # :: You've already :: # :: established prior art and can (given sufficient financial backing) :: # :: destroy any subsequent patent claim on the technology. :: :: OK, I'm not a lawyer, but I do have 3 mechanical gizmo patents in :: application MYSELF, (and I paid for many billable hour$$$ to get here :: - just got third postcard, and 2 ot of 3 filing receipts from the :: USPTO) So I hope that this experience 'counts.' :: :: In one case, I disclosed a novelty in the claims specification but did :: not claim it as proprietary to me or my invention. By doing so I :: release this portion of the gizmo to public domain, in order to :: specifically damage a possible competitor of mine, whom I though might :: weasel around an NDA and attempt to run off with my invention. :: :: If my innovation as described hits public disclosure at a date (my :: file date) prior to my competitior's patent work in the same area) :: then I have rendered his work useless and killed off for him that :: particular potential income stream. (After all, -everybody else- is :: doing it free, right?) :: :: This is especially effective if I am a small entity or sole inventor, :: and my potential competitors are BIG CORPORATIONS ... :: :: GLL and Geoff Burling wrote: :: On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jeme A Brelin wrote: :: > :: > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Dean S. Messing wrote: :: > > Question: if I add patented technology to a GPL project and release :: > > such under the GPL, is it true that I relinquish my rights to charge a :: > > royalty for that patented technology? :: > > :: > > Paragraph 2b of the GPL seems to indicate this, but I'm not a lawyer. :: > > :: > > I would appreciate responses only from those who actually _know_ the :: > > answer. I don't want to start a big speculative meta-legal :: > > discussion. :: > :: > My first question is, "Why would you release something you've patented :: > under the GPL?" :: > :: > I mean, if you want to GPL it, don't patent it. You've already :: > established prior art and can (given sufficient financial backing) destroy :: > any subsequent patent claim on the technology. :: > :: > And if you want patent control, don't GPL it. The GPL grants a license to :: > simply redistribute as well as modify and redistribute, so new :: > implementations of your patented technology will be openly available to :: > the public. :: > :: > I don't see what you or the public gains from combining those two :: > philosophically disparate legal mechanisms. :: > :: I do. It's obvious. :: :: What a patent awards is the right to license a specific form of technology. :: I can license the technology for umpteen million dollars, give it away for :: free, or swap a license for a license for access to other patents. All of :: these practices have been done. :: :: Now say I am awarded a patent on the technology foo. I write a reference :: application that uses it called foomatic under the GPL. In doing so, I am :: granting a cost-free license to everyone who, in turn, uses it in GPL :: software. Proprietary software is prohibited from using this technology :: by reverse engineering, due to the fact I can sic a bunch of lawyers on :: the infringing company in return for a cut of the award/settlement. :: Unless they pay the amount I demand of them. It's tilting the playing :: field against certain corporations. :: :: A nice little poison pill, I might say. And it would have been useful had :: someone done this & pre-empted various low-lifes who patented such :: technologies as CSS, hyperlinking, & compression algorithms. :: :: I only wish I were smart enough to think of something worth patenting. It :: would be worth the effort to frustrate ``certain corporations". :: :: Geoff From mikedela at ipns.com Thu Apr 4 18:31:14 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:31:14 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] From my logss- what is this Message-ID: <200204041831.g34IVEG01635@localhost.localdomain> grepping my logs, what is this? It doesn't look like anything happened, I don't allow any relaying, but still... Apr ?4 00:14:30 www sendmail[5889]: g348ETw05889: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=, relay=nat17.116.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.17.116], reject=550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied Apr ?4 00:14:31 www sendmail[5890]: g348ETw05890: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=, relay=nat17.116.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.17.116], reject=550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied Apr ?4 00:14:35 www sendmail[5888]: NOQUEUE: nat17.116.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.17.116] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA I'm not sure what the last line means. -- Mike De La Mater KMail on Red Hat 7.2 From derek at infotects.com Thu Apr 4 18:54:39 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 10:54:39 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Message-ID: <3CACA16F.51C15560@infotects.com> "Karl M. Hegbloom" wrote: > On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 09:57, Derek Loree wrote: > > > I have downloaded the source code for a program called > > gnomemeeting (looks and acts like M$ Netmeeting). I've > > followed all the directions, set up the libraries, compiled > > all the stuff that it depends on (openH323 and pwlib) and > > got configure to run without any errors. The error happens > > during the make process. > > > > [...] > > > > As you all may know, I'm not really a programmer and I can't > > make heads or tails of this error. > > I would not bother compiling it, and would instead just "apt-get install > gnomemeeting". I did, but version 0.12 seemed just a little out of date (current version is 0.85 and there are no debian packages, yet). The older version would connect, but wouldn't do much after that, I was hoping the newer version would be more functional. hehe, does that mean your stumped? Derek From alan at clueserver.org Thu Apr 4 17:37:12 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:37:12 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Xine and kernals In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA705@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA705@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <200204040937.12219.alan@clueserver.org> On Thursday 04 April 2002 09:26 am, Craighead, Scot D wrote: > >You are more likely to see problems with your video card. > > > >Make sure you are running something with good hardware acceleration and > > that > > >the version of X supports the Xv extension. (And make sure you have Xv > >support enabled in Xine.) > > > >What kind of video card do you have and what version of XFree86? > > According to hwbrowser the video card is a SIS 620. It also says 6306 > 3D-AGP. I'm not sure what that means, but I think that AGP stands for > Advanced Graphics Port with is usually a slot on the motherboard that is > similiar to a PCI slot, but is designed for high speed graphics. This > "card" is actualy on the motherboard, not a seperate card. If I remember correctly, the SiS video chipset does not do much in the way of accelration. (I will look.) > According to rpm, I am using XFree86 4.1.0-3. Might be better support in 4.2.0, but again, I will have to check. > I don't know whay Xv extension means. I will research that. Xvideo. It is for hardware accelerated full-motion video. Usually used by TV cards, but also used by Xine and a few other things. From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Thu Apr 4 19:01:29 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 04 Apr 2002 11:01:29 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... In-Reply-To: <3CACA16F.51C15560@infotects.com> References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACA16F.51C15560@infotects.com> Message-ID: <1017946889.26411.20.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=gnomemeeting&archive=no From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Thu Apr 4 19:03:15 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 04 Apr 2002 11:03:15 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] From my logss- what is this In-Reply-To: <200204041831.g34IVEG01635@localhost.localdomain> References: <200204041831.g34IVEG01635@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1017946995.26411.23.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> > [142.177.17.116] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > I'm not sure what the last line means. If you connect to your own port 25 (telnet localhost 25), then just exit (ctrl-d) without doing anything else, you will probably see the same message. From alan at clueserver.org Thu Apr 4 17:42:55 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:42:55 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... In-Reply-To: <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Message-ID: <200204040942.55397.alan@clueserver.org> On Thursday 04 April 2002 10:13 am, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 09:57, Derek Loree wrote: > > I have downloaded the source code for a program called > > gnomemeeting (looks and acts like M$ Netmeeting). I've > > followed all the directions, set up the libraries, compiled > > all the stuff that it depends on (openH323 and pwlib) and > > got configure to run without any errors. The error happens > > during the make process. > > > > [...] > > > > As you all may know, I'm not really a programmer and I can't > > make heads or tails of this error. > > I would not bother compiling it, and would instead just "apt-get install > gnomemeeting". Of course that is not a solution for those of us not running Debian. (And switching is not a trivial task.) Maybe one of these days they will distribute an RPM of apt-get. Maybe there needs to be some new slogans for apt-get. How about: "Apt-get -- It's better than learning how to do it right!" "Why learn how to compile when you can use apt-get?" "apt-get -- It's easier than thinking!" From derek at infotects.com Thu Apr 4 19:04:01 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 11:04:01 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACA16F.51C15560@infotects.com> Message-ID: <3CACA3A1.39B8DD9D@infotects.com> Derek Loree wrote: > > > hehe, does that mean your stumped? or I'm just guilty of bad grammer!! Sorry Derek From alan at clueserver.org Thu Apr 4 17:45:18 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:45:18 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] error compiling gnomemeeting In-Reply-To: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> Message-ID: <200204040945.18257.alan@clueserver.org> On Thursday 04 April 2002 09:57 am, Derek Loree wrote: > Hi all, > > I have downloaded the source code for a program called > gnomemeeting (looks and acts like M$ Netmeeting). I've > followed all the directions, set up the libraries, compiled > all the stuff that it depends on (openH323 and pwlib) and > got configure to run without any errors. The error happens > during the make process. > > gnomemeeting.cpp: In method `void GnomeMeeting::Connect()': > gnomemeeting.cpp:223: no matching function for call to > `GMH323EndPoint::MakeCallLocked (PString &, PString &)' > make[2]: *** [gnomemeeting.o] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/GnomeMeeting-0.85.1/src' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/GnomeMeeting-0.85.1' > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > > As you all may know, I'm not really a programmer and I can't > make heads or tails of this error. Is there a missing > library, or a broken library, or a messed up compiler, > anyone seen any thing like this? > > Google, btw, came up empty :-( > > There is a gnomemeeting mail list, but you are required to > sign up before you can post anything to them, I really don't > need another mailing list to monitor. It sounds like the version of openH323 you have installed and the one it wants are two different things. I would check the docs and see what version it wants to compile with. i would also check Freshmeat.net for the current version. From jeme at brelin.net Thu Apr 4 19:13:14 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:13:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... In-Reply-To: <200204040942.55397.alan@clueserver.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: > On Thursday 04 April 2002 10:13 am, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 09:57, Derek Loree wrote: > > > I have downloaded the source code for a program called > > > gnomemeeting (looks and acts like M$ Netmeeting). I've > > > followed all the directions, set up the libraries, compiled > > > all the stuff that it depends on (openH323 and pwlib) and > > > got configure to run without any errors. The error happens > > > during the make process. > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > As you all may know, I'm not really a programmer and I can't > > > make heads or tails of this error. > > > > I would not bother compiling it, and would instead just "apt-get install > > gnomemeeting". > > Of course that is not a solution for those of us not running Debian. 1. The person asking the question was. > (And switching is not a trivial task.) 2. Not trivial, per se, but certainly easy and straightforward. > Maybe one of these days they will distribute an RPM of apt-get. 3. Why not just download and compile the source? > Maybe there needs to be some new slogans for apt-get. How about: > "Apt-get -- It's better than learning how to do it right!" > "Why learn how to compile when you can use apt-get?" > "apt-get -- It's easier than thinking!" 4. These apply to all package management systems, including rpm... ok, they apply to package management systems that work and are easy to use, so maybe not RPM. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From richard.langis at sun.com Thu Apr 4 19:12:51 2002 From: richard.langis at sun.com (Richard Langis) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 11:12:51 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <200204040942.55397.alan@clueserver.org> Message-ID: <3CACA5B3.8070009@sun.com> Alan wrote: > > Of course that is not a solution for those of us not running Debian. (And > switching is not a trivial task.) > > Maybe one of these days they will distribute an RPM of apt-get. Actually, I believe that there IS one. However, it doesn't deal with dependencies like Debian's version does. I tried it on my RH6.1 install before switching to Debian. > Maybe there needs to be some new slogans for apt-get. How about: > > "Apt-get -- It's better than learning how to do it right!" > > "Why learn how to compile when you can use apt-get?" > > "apt-get -- It's easier than thinking!" apt-get -- when you want to get shit DONE instead of fscking around for hours with compile-time arguments. apt-get -- it's easier than having to reinstall via CD an entire point release of your favorite distribution! Now, I realize that some, if not most, Debian users tend to be quite zealous. Especially when it comes to apt-get... I know I am. But can we stop the petty bickering about which method is the *correct* method of installing apps and simply help those who are asking the questions? -R From wcooley at nakedape.cc Thu Apr 4 19:14:26 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:14:26 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... In-Reply-To: <200204040942.55397.alan@clueserver.org>; from alan@clueserver.org on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 09:42:55AM -0800 References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <200204040942.55397.alan@clueserver.org> Message-ID: <20020404111426.N5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Alan on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 09:42:55AM PST > > Maybe one of these days they will distribute an RPM of apt-get. http://enigma.freshrpms.net/rpm.html?id=716 Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikedela at ipns.com Thu Apr 4 19:15:52 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:15:52 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] From my logss- what is this In-Reply-To: <1017946995.26411.23.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> References: <200204041831.g34IVEG01635@localhost.localdomain> <1017946995.26411.23.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Message-ID: <200204041915.g34JFrG01657@localhost.localdomain> Yup, that's it. A hacker just dumped it. It's hard to imagine for me, that so may people would want to hack into my P200 server. I mean, don't they have a better PC than that?!?!? On Thursday 04 April 2002 11:03 am, you wrote: > > [142.177.17.116] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to > > MTA > > > > I'm not sure what the last line means. > > If you connect to your own port 25 (telnet localhost 25), then just exit > (ctrl-d) without doing anything else, you will probably see the same > message. > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Mike De La Mater KMail on Red Hat 7.2 From m at netpro.to Thu Apr 4 19:21:45 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:21:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] From my logss- what is this In-Reply-To: <200204041915.g34JFrG01657@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Mike De La Mater wrote: > Yup, that's it. A hacker just dumped it. > > It's hard to imagine for me, that so may people would want to hack into my > P200 server. I mean, don't they have a better PC than that?!?!? Your P200 will work just fine as another drone in a DDoS attack. Plus, it'll work great as a launching point for hacking bigger targets. From wcooley at nakedape.cc Thu Apr 4 19:21:44 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:21:44 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] From my logss- what is this In-Reply-To: ; from m@netpro.to on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 11:21:45AM -0800 References: <200204041915.g34JFrG01657@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020404112144.O5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Matt Alexander on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 11:21:45AM PST > On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Mike De La Mater wrote: > > > Yup, that's it. A hacker just dumped it. > > > > It's hard to imagine for me, that so may people would want to hack into my > > P200 server. I mean, don't they have a better PC than that?!?!? > > Your P200 will work just fine as another drone in a DDoS attack. Plus, > it'll work great as a launching point for hacking bigger targets. I think they're looking for open mail relays. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From m at netpro.to Thu Apr 4 19:25:21 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:25:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] From my logss- what is this In-Reply-To: <20020404112144.O5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Wil Cooley wrote: > Also Sprach Matt Alexander on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 11:21:45AM PST > > On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Mike De La Mater wrote: > > > > > Yup, that's it. A hacker just dumped it. > > > > > > It's hard to imagine for me, that so may people would want to hack into my > > > P200 server. I mean, don't they have a better PC than that?!?!? > > > > Your P200 will work just fine as another drone in a DDoS attack. Plus, > > it'll work great as a launching point for hacking bigger targets. > > I think they're looking for open mail relays. Ah. Yep, that would make more sense. From deanm at sharplabs.com Thu Apr 4 19:36:56 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:36:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] New binary nVIDIA drivers ... Message-ID: <20020404193656.353BA10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> ... were released this morning. They are on the nVIDIA web site They've been compiled for (at least) RH 7.2, Mdk 8.2, and SuSE 8.0. If you have bought a video card with the new nVIDIA GeForce4 chips you probably will need to use these drivers---according to "my sources" at Mandrake who tell me that X 4.2.0 native nv drivers are not yet up to snuff with the new chips. Dean From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Thu Apr 4 19:48:21 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 04 Apr 2002 11:48:21 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1017949701.14151.13.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 11:13, Jeme A Brelin wrote: > > [Alan, re upgrading a system to Debian from another distro] > > 2. Not trivial, per se, but certainly easy and straightforward. Did anyone ever try "debootstrap" and see if it runs on a non-Debian system? http://people.pdxlinux.org/~karlheg From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Thu Apr 4 19:49:38 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 04 Apr 2002 11:49:38 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... In-Reply-To: <3CACA5B3.8070009@sun.com> References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <200204040942.55397.alan@clueserver.org> <3CACA5B3.8070009@sun.com> Message-ID: <1017949778.14151.15.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 11:12, Richard Langis wrote: > Now, I realize that some, if not most, Debian users tend to be quite zealous. > Especially when it comes to apt-get... ... and "aptitude". From derek at infotects.com Thu Apr 4 19:56:33 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 11:56:33 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACA16F.51C15560@infotects.com> <1017946889.26411.20.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Message-ID: <3CACAFF1.63D86AB7@infotects.com> "Karl M. Hegbloom" wrote: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=gnomemeeting&archive=no > Well, that explains the deb version problem, but not the compile problem. From dmandel at pdxLinux.org Thu Apr 4 19:45:33 2002 From: dmandel at pdxLinux.org (David Mandel) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:45:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] PLUG Mailing list archives Message-ID: It has come to my attention that some of you use the PLUG archives a lot. This is good. Unfortunately, we are in the middle of making some changes. So: - http://PLUG.SkyLab.org Contains PLUG archives prior to 2:00 PM on 18 Mar 2002 (time is PST) I don't see a link to these on pdxLinux.org. I will see about getting one. In the long run, we need to move all the PLUG archives to the new system. - The main PLUG page at http://www.pdxLinux.org has a link to https://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo All PLUG lists have been archived on the server since 15 Mar 2002. YES!! This is all a bit confusing. I will see what can be done to improve matters. Sincerely, David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 1440 NE 59th Portland, Oregon 97213 (360) 260-2066 at work (541) 730-5285 cell ====================================================================== David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com Other Affiliations David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org ====================================================================== From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Thu Apr 4 20:17:09 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 04 Apr 2002 12:17:09 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... In-Reply-To: <3CACAFF1.63D86AB7@infotects.com> References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACA16F.51C15560@infotects.com> <1017946889.26411.20.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACAFF1.63D86AB7@infotects.com> Message-ID: <1017951429.14938.24.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 11:56, Derek Loree wrote: > > > "Karl M. Hegbloom" wrote: > > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=gnomemeeting&archive=no > > > > Well, that explains the deb version problem, but not the compile problem. No, it explains both. Look at the second bug report, the one merged to the first one with "new version available". From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Thu Apr 4 14:06:53 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: 04 Apr 2002 06:06:53 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] security? In-Reply-To: <20020403112658.I24504@kippered.herring.org> References: <20020324145658.F845@defiant.kingkon.com> <3C9E5F2F.2040104@jhenshaw.com> <20020328164608.C675@defiant.kingkon.com> <1017753739.14047.58.camel@kat.zotnet.com> <20020403112658.I24504@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: <1017929213.27875.2.camel@mainserve.thedustyshelf.com> I am surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that wu-ftpd (the default ftp server in most Linux distros) has multiple vulnerabilities and should not be used at all. It has the distinction of being the only ftp server in years that has had a vulnerability that did not require write access to be exploited. Very bad stuff. Don't just patch it, turn it off or replace and set strict permissions if you must have it running. On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 11:26, Sandy Herring wrote: > On Tue, 02 Apr 2002, Zot O'Connor wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 16:46, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > > J.A. Henshaw's Log: StarDate 0324.1520: > > > > Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > > > > > > > > I had a redhat7.2 system behind a firewall with only ports 80, 20, 21, > > > > > 22 open on Wednesday, running fine. Today, there are only 8MB of files > > > > > left on the 9GB system. A df last week showed about 30% used. The > > > > > journal files are still there, but not much else. fsck shows clean. > > > > > > > > > run "du -s /xxxx" where xxxx is a directory off of root "/" > > > > Do this for each dir off of root. It will tell you where the 8Gb is. > > > > I would hazard ftp might be the answer. If anon ftp is allowing file > > uploads, someone can upload 8 Gb, and not break security. > > > > Once you fine the directory du a "du -s /xxxx/* | sort -n" > > > > The * measures sub directories. The sort shows the biggest last. > > > > a word of warning, don't do /proc, /net, or /misc or /mnt as they tend > > to be mount points not directories. > > > > > > -- > > Zot O'Connor > > You could also try Randal's `findbig' Perl script... > > > #!/usr/bin/perl > require 'getopts.pl'; > require 'find.pl'; > &Getopts('n:'); > $n = defined $opt_n ? $opt_n : 20; > @ARGV = ($ENV{'HOME'}) unless @ARGV; > &find(@ARGV); > sub wanted { > $size{$name} = -s _ if not -l and -f _; > } > @sorted = sort { $size{$b} <=> $size{$a} } keys %size; > for (@sorted[0..($n-1)]) { > printf > "%40s, %5dK, last accessed %3d days ago\n", > $_ , (-s)/1024, -A _; > } > > > Sandy > -- > Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org > Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ > UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html > =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc > *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. From derek at infotects.com Thu Apr 4 20:53:11 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 12:53:11 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACA16F.51C15560@infotects.com> <1017946889.26411.20.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACAFF1.63D86AB7@infotects.com> <1017951429.14938.24.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Message-ID: <3CACBD37.B93D3AE1@infotects.com> "Karl M. Hegbloom" wrote: > On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 11:56, Derek Loree wrote: > > > > > > "Karl M. Hegbloom" wrote: > > > > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=gnomemeeting&archive=no > > > > > > > Well, that explains the deb version problem, but not the compile problem. > > No, it explains both. Look at the second bug report, the one merged to > the first one with "new version available". But I downloaded both of those dependant packages from the gnomemeeting site, I have to assume they are the correct versions, the programmer said so! However, I just realized that I didn't dump the older version, and the libraries that came with that older version. After I dumped them, there were some holes left, I filled them with the new headers and it is compiling now. At least it got past the part that gave the error last time. Thanks Derek From Cooper.Stevenson at wahchang.com Thu Apr 4 21:08:40 2002 From: Cooper.Stevenson at wahchang.com (Cooper.Stevenson at wahchang.com) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:08:40 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA392003059878@arnold.bedrock.com> > M E E T I N G A N N O U N C E M E N T > > WHEN: Saturday, April 6th at 1:00 p.m. > > WHERE: P.E.A.K, Inc. > 1600 SW Western at 15th > Corvallis, OR > For a map: http://www.peak.org/peak_info/peak-map.html > > AGENDA: 1:00 - 2:00 p.m. New User's Hour > 2:00 - 2:30 p.m. ``In The News'' > 2:30 - 3:00 p.m. Group Business > 3:00 - 4:00 p.m. Presentation (TBA) > > If you have a presentation that you would like to give, please let me > know! > -- > ______________________________________________________ > Cooper Stevenson |cooper.stevenson at wahchang.com > UNIX Administrator |PH: (541)791-1322 > Telledyne Wah Chang |FAX: (541)924-6895 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------- From pate at eylerfamily.org Thu Apr 4 21:03:13 2002 From: pate at eylerfamily.org (Pat Eyler) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:03:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [PLUG] in town for the PLUG meeting Message-ID: Hello, I'm going to be coming into town for the PLUG meeting. Hopefully I can find the meeting building/room again. See you there, -pate From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Thu Apr 4 22:17:02 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 04 Apr 2002 14:17:02 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... In-Reply-To: <3CACBD37.B93D3AE1@infotects.com> References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACA16F.51C15560@infotects.com> <1017946889.26411.20.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACAFF1.63D86AB7@infotects.com> <1017951429.14938.24.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACBD37.B93D3AE1@infotects.com> Message-ID: <1017958622.14938.47.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 12:53, Derek Loree wrote: > > No, it explains both. Look at the second bug report, the one merged to > > the first one with "new version available". > > But I downloaded both of those dependant packages from the gnomemeeting site, I have to > assume they are the correct versions, the programmer said so! > > However, I just realized that I didn't dump the older version, and the libraries that came > with that older version. After I dumped them, there were some holes left, I filled them > with the new headers and it is compiling now. At least it got past the part that gave the > error last time. > Ah, so you still had the -dev packages from the older version of those libraries installed? No wonder it did not work right. If it's not changed drasticly, you could probably build .deb packages of the new libraries by copying the debian/ directory from the old source to the new, and making a few changes. Add a new version to debian/changelog -- use a point debian version, like -1.0 -- and maybe edit debian/rules. That way, when the Debian maintainer finally builds it, you won't have to manually uninstall it from /usr/local. From deanm at sharplabs.com Thu Apr 4 22:44:28 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:44:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Re: X 4.2.0 and font rendering problems Message-ID: <20020404224428.3F40910E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Couple of days ago I asked for help regarding some odd font rendering problems I was having. This is just to let y'all know that the new binary nVIDIA driver has fixed the font rendering problems I was having, where pixels were being dropped or left on at random (Problems #1 and #2 below). The anti-aliasing and identification problems (#3 and #4) remain. I'm coming to understand that #3 is a separate issue having to do with font selection and many missing TTF fonts on my system. The good news is that the new nVIDIA seems (so far) to be running flawlessly with my GeForce4 Ti 4600 card. KDE starts up much faster the screen is crisp. Very nice (so far). Next stop TwinView (like Xinerama but built into the driver/hardware) across a CRT and a DVI-I flatpanel. Thanks to Kyle Accardi and Brian ? for their suggestions regarding the fonts antialiasing. I'll be looking at that next. Dean ========== I wrote: :: I am having some strange font rendering problems that I can't figure :: out. There are actually three problems which I'm not even sure are :: related. Also I'm not sure if it's the driver, X, KDE, or Mandrake's :: configuration. I hope someone can point me North. :: :: My system: :: :: MoBo: Tyan Tiger S2466N w/ dual Athlon MP 1500+ (1.33GHz)CPUs :: :: Video Board: GeForce4 Ti4600 :: Monitor: -- Panasync S21 (CRT) :: -- operating resolution (1600x1200) :: :: Stock Mandrake: :: -- Stock 8.2 :: -- XFree 4.2.0 :: -- stock nv driver :: -- stock KDE :: -- font antialiasing is OFF by default in stock installation :: :: Problems: :: :: 1) missing pixels w/in font strokes. If I do a "refresh" of the :: desktop _some_ but not all of the missing pixels appear. The :: "shape" of fonts look fine, i.e. they actually look antialiased. :: :: 2) If I open a KDE Konsole window (black background, white font-face) :: and cat a bunch of stuff to the screen, or scroll the text there :: will be a lot of white isolated pixels remaining on w/in the black :: background. :: :: It is as though a font was written at a particular :: location, then when some other letter is written at same location :: (or a space is written) some of the pixels don't get turned off. A :: desktop refresh completely clears this up as well. :: :: I don't see this effect w/in an xterm (black background, white font) but :: the "missing pixels" problem of 1) is especially bad. :: :: 3) When I enable "antialiased fonts" w/in KDE (and restart KDE) :: all my fonts now look awful. I don't think it's the classic "abiword" :: font problem. How do I describe "awful"? The fonts all look "square" :: both w/in KDE and w/in Konqueror. However the fonts look noral w/in, :: say Mandrake control center (and emacs). :: :: Most importantly, turning on antialiasing did _not_ fix 1 and 2 above. :: :: :: Mandrake Specific problem: :: :: 4) Hardrake is not identifiying my GeForce4 at all. It says :: "NONE Generic VGA". When installing Mandrake 8.2, the installer :: identified the board as a GeForce3. From krisa at subtend.net Thu Apr 4 22:47:00 2002 From: krisa at subtend.net (Kris) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:47:00 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] reinstalling perl Message-ID: <20020404224700.GA29775@subtend.net> Couple of questions. RH7.2 1) I have totally munged my perl install. I've been trying to get Bugzilla to work and I ended up doing a bunch of CPAN installs with a root umask of 077. How can I reinstall perl? rm -Rf /usr/lib/perl5 and reinstall the rpm's? 2) I'm installing Bugzilla on a sandbox to test out as an IT trouble ticketing system. Management thought it would be better to use Bugzilla as our engineers use Bugzilla to track issues and it would familiarize IT staff with supporting Bugzilla if we ran it ourselves. So is Bugzilla generic enough that it could be used robustly as a trouble ticket system? My first approach was to go with Request Tracker. -- I'm just a packet pusher. From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Thu Apr 4 23:05:35 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 04 Apr 2002 15:05:35 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] reinstalling perl In-Reply-To: <20020404224700.GA29775@subtend.net> References: <20020404224700.GA29775@subtend.net> Message-ID: <1017961536.14648.7.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 14:47, Kris wrote: > > 1) I have totally munged my perl install. I've been trying to get > Bugzilla to work and I ended up doing a bunch of CPAN installs with a > root umask of 077. How can I reinstall perl? rm -Rf /usr/lib/perl5 and > reinstall the rpm's? When you install packages with CPAN, doesn't it put them in "/usr/local" someplace, rather than in "/usr"? It should if it doesn't. What is your Perl load-path? If those are indeed installed where they belong, in /usr/local, then you can just rm them. You should be able to reinstall perl by just reinstalling the correct packages, AFAIK. > > 2) I'm installing Bugzilla on a sandbox to test out as an IT trouble > ticketing system. Management thought it would be better to use Bugzilla > as our engineers use Bugzilla to track issues and it would familiarize > IT staff with supporting Bugzilla if we ran it ourselves. > > So is Bugzilla generic enough that it could be used robustly as a > trouble ticket system? My first approach was to go with Request > Tracker. Both "bugzilla" and "request-tracker" are Debian packages... You might save yourself a lot of headaches by going that route. There is also "mantis", which seems to work fairly well. Another perk would be that you could use "dh-make-perl" to install CPAN modules. It will build .deb packages when you do: # dh-make-perl --build --cpan Perl::Module You can install those on as many machines as you need to, and if you use "debarchiver", you can set up an HTTP server to pull them from, if needed. From alan at clueserver.org Thu Apr 4 22:07:00 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:07:00 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] New binary nVIDIA drivers ... In-Reply-To: <20020404193656.353BA10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> References: <20020404193656.353BA10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Message-ID: <200204041407.00711.alan@clueserver.org> On Thursday 04 April 2002 11:36 am, Dean S. Messing wrote: > ... were released this morning. They are on the nVIDIA web site > They've been compiled for (at least) RH 7.2, Mdk 8.2, and SuSE 8.0. > > If you have bought a video card with the new nVIDIA GeForce4 chips > you probably will need to use these drivers---according to "my sources" > at Mandrake who tell me that X 4.2.0 native nv drivers are not yet > up to snuff with the new chips. Especially if you want hardware acceleration. (nVidia does not provide the specs for that part of their chipset.) From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Thu Apr 4 23:33:42 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:33:42 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] reinstalling perl In-Reply-To: <1017961536.14648.7.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com>; from karlheg@pdxlinux.org on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 03:05:35PM -0800 References: <20020404224700.GA29775@subtend.net> <1017961536.14648.7.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Message-ID: <20020404153342.D19724@dalsemi.com> On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 03:05:35PM -0800, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 14:47, Kris wrote: > > > > 1) I have totally munged my perl install. I've been trying to get > > Bugzilla to work and I ended up doing a bunch of CPAN installs with a > > root umask of 077. How can I reinstall perl? rm -Rf /usr/lib/perl5 and > > reinstall the rpm's? > > When you install packages with CPAN, doesn't it put them in "/usr/local" > someplace, rather than in "/usr"? It should if it doesn't. What is > your Perl load-path? It puts them whereever: perl -e 'print join ":", @INC;' indicates they should be, unless specifically directed to otherwise during the install by overriding variables during the Makefile.PL build stage: perl Makefile.PL LIB=~/lib perl Makefile.PL PREFIX=~ ala perldoc ExtUtils::MakeMaker Colin From krisa at subtend.net Thu Apr 4 23:35:06 2002 From: krisa at subtend.net (Kris) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:35:06 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] reinstalling perl In-Reply-To: <1017961536.14648.7.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> References: <20020404224700.GA29775@subtend.net> <1017961536.14648.7.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Message-ID: <20020404233506.GA30089@subtend.net> On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 03:05:35PM -0800, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > When you install packages with CPAN, doesn't it put them in "/usr/local" > someplace, rather than in "/usr"? It should if it doesn't. What is > your Perl load-path? > > If those are indeed installed where they belong, in /usr/local, then you > can just rm them. > > You should be able to reinstall perl by just reinstalling the correct > packages, AFAIK. There is perl under /usr/local as well as /usr. Maybe I'll wipe them all. > Both "bugzilla" and "request-tracker" are Debian packages... You might > save yourself a lot of headaches by going that route. There is also > "mantis", which seems to work fairly well. > > Another perk would be that you could use "dh-make-perl" to install CPAN > modules. It will build .deb packages when you do: > > # dh-make-perl --build --cpan Perl::Module > > You can install those on as many machines as you need to, and if you use > "debarchiver", you can set up an HTTP server to pull them from, if > needed. :) Disregard my headers, as my first line was "Couple of questions. RH7.2" I'm an avid Debian user at home and on personal servers. At work OTOH I'm stuck with the archaic RPM system. -- I'm just a packet pusher. From alan at clueserver.org Thu Apr 4 22:15:35 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:15:35 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Xine and kernals In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA705@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA705@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <200204041415.35742.alan@clueserver.org> On Thursday 04 April 2002 09:26 am, Craighead, Scot D wrote: > >You are more likely to see problems with your video card. > > > >Make sure you are running something with good hardware acceleration and > > that > > >the version of X supports the Xv extension. (And make sure you have Xv > >support enabled in Xine.) > > > >What kind of video card do you have and what version of XFree86? > > According to hwbrowser the video card is a SIS 620. It also says 6306 > 3D-AGP. I'm not sure what that means, but I think that AGP stands for > Advanced Graphics Port with is usually a slot on the motherboard that is > similiar to a PCI slot, but is designed for high speed graphics. This > "card" is actualy on the motherboard, not a seperate card. > > According to rpm, I am using XFree86 4.1.0-3. The SiS 620 is supposed to be supported in accelerated mode by that version. > I don't know whay Xv extension means. I will research that. What does /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 look like? You might be loading the wrong video driver or not loading the correct modules to get acceleration out of the driver. From cp at onsitetech.com Thu Apr 4 23:37:03 2002 From: cp at onsitetech.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:37:03 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] reinstalling perl References: <20020404224700.GA29775@subtend.net> Message-ID: <005301c1dc31$a0011be0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris" > So is Bugzilla generic enough that it could be used robustly as a > trouble ticket system? That depends upon what you're tracking. If you want a generic tracker for "User had an ID10T error and can't log in", Bugzilla is not a great choice. It's extremely geared towards software development. At my work, we use Bugzilla and most of the fields (such as, what OS is the problem occurring on) have little bearing to our Web development. Further, Bugzilla doesn't seem to allow much customization of this, so users often have to ignore a lot of miscellaneous information to get to what they need. On the other hand, I hear the new version of Bugzilla will be out soon. It will be much more modularized and use templates that will make customization much earlier. Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe -- "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ Someone asked me how to count to 10 in Perl: push at A,$_ for reverse q.e...q.n.;for(@A){$_=unpack(q|c|,$_);@a=split//; shift at a;shift at a if $a[$[]eq$[;$_=join q||, at a};print $_,$/for reverse @A From dmandel at pdxLinux.org Fri Apr 5 00:55:18 2002 From: dmandel at pdxLinux.org (David Mandel) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:55:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] HELP WANTED: Technical Writer Message-ID: I'm forwarding the following posting from Michael Hall, who now lives and Portland and until recently was editor of LinuxToday. As always, reply directly to the orginal poster, not to me. Sincerely, David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 1440 NE 59th Portland, Oregon 97213 (360) 260-2066 at work (541) 730-5285 cell ====================================================================== David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com Other Affiliations David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org ====================================================================== ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:23:17 -0800 From: Michael Hall To: David Mandel of PLUG Subject: Job Posting Hi, David, Here's the announcement: Crossnodes is internet.com's site for coverage of networking news and information. I recently took over Crossnodes after a few years with LinuxToday, and I'd like to provide writing opportunities to skilled Linux (or Unix) networkers who have experience in: * migration to Linux/Unix from other NOS's * integration of Linux/Unix into Netware and Windows networks * Linux/Unix security * general network management The site is still very much in transition and I'm willing to try a lot of formats out, but I have particular interest in product reviews/analysis (either proprietary or open source/free software) and writing that relates to solving particular problems or issues. I'm also very interested in hearing from people who are proficient technically but not as confident in their writing skills: I'm trying to bring a sense to the site that IT professionals are communicating to each other, with the editorial staff present to facilitate. To that end, I am willing to work closely with new or inexperienced writers provided they're willing to accept some guidance and the occasional rewrite. Some basic qualifications: * Experience in multiple platforms and a willingness to make fair comparisons to other platforms where appropriate * Willingness to work with an editor * Willingness to honor deadlines, which we'll always establish to suit your needs Pay: We don't have a set rate for stories, but articles generally earn $250-$300. That will be negotiated on a per-item basis: more in-depth or lengthy work earns more. Additional Information: I'm also looking for writers with skill sets in other areas of networking. If you're strong in Netware or even MS OS's, I'm happy to hear from you as well. This is a straightforward freelance arrangement, not a job, though editors enjoy building relationships with consistent writers. Anyone who's interested can reach me at the address below or call my office (503.236.4889) to set a time to discuss things further. I'll have an editorial guidelines sheet ready by early next week as well. Kind regards, -- Michael Hall 503.233.8956 (home) 503.236.4889 (office) From iconoklastic at yahoo.com Fri Apr 5 01:25:17 2002 From: iconoklastic at yahoo.com (Robert Kopp) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:25:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Crossover Office Message-ID: <20020405012517.1098.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> The reason we have dual-boot systems is because no one can live without Microsoft Office. However, according to Codeweavers, there is now an application costing $54 (or $64 with media) that will allow you to run Office 97/2000 on Linux. It's probably a hoax of some kind--they have a bridge they'd like to sell you, too--but does anyone know more about it? If so, it will be a disaster for Win4Lin, in all likelihood. You still need to have Windows installed to use the Netraverse product. (Perhaps you can get away with using another copy of Windows installed somewhere else, however.) ===== Robert "Tim" Kopp http://analytic.tripod.com/ "SAMBA--opening Windows to a wider world." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From derek at infotects.com Fri Apr 5 01:34:23 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 17:34:23 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACA16F.51C15560@infotects.com> <1017946889.26411.20.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACAFF1.63D86AB7@infotects.com> <1017951429.14938.24.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACBD37.B93D3AE1@infotects.com> <1017958622.14938.47.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Message-ID: <3CACFF1F.9082311B@infotects.com> "Karl M. Hegbloom" wrote: > Ah, so you still had the -dev packages from the older version of those > libraries installed? No wonder it did not work right. > > If it's not changed drasticly, you could probably build .deb packages of > the new libraries by copying the debian/ directory from the old source > to the new, and making a few changes. Add a new version to > debian/changelog -- use a point debian version, like -1.0 -- and maybe > edit debian/rules. That way, when the Debian maintainer finally builds > it, you won't have to manually uninstall it from /usr/local. Uggg, it still didn't work, though it got much further along. I'm guessing that more gnome-dev stuff needs to be installed before this thing will go, but the latest error has to do with videograbber and a function called PVideoInputDevice. This is turning into a lot of work for something that may or may not do what I want it to. Thanks for the information. As always, it has been a meaningful learning experience. Derek Loree From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Fri Apr 5 02:50:27 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 04 Apr 2002 18:50:27 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... In-Reply-To: <3CACFF1F.9082311B@infotects.com> References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACA16F.51C15560@infotects.com> <1017946889.26411.20.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACAFF1.63D86AB7@infotects.com> <1017951429.14938.24.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACBD37.B93D3AE1@infotects.com> <1017958622.14938.47.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACFF1F.9082311B@infotects.com> Message-ID: <1017975027.1352.5.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 17:34, Derek Loree wrote: > Uggg, it still didn't work, though it got much further along. I'm guessing that more gnome-dev > stuff needs to be installed before this thing will go, but the latest error has to do with > videograbber and a function called PVideoInputDevice. This is turning into a lot of work for > something that may or may not do what I want it to. Did you run "apt-get build-dep gnomemeeting"? What release are you pointed at? Unstable or Testing? From rsteff at attbi.com Fri Apr 5 05:10:36 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 21:10:36 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Anti-Spam Spam Message-ID: <3CAD31CC.A9E688B4@attbi.com> I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I got a spam today from an outfit that is marketing an anti-spam product. The subject line read: Kill SPAM before it Arrives! SPAM FREE INBOX! 8010 (I observe from the header that they are trying to reach me at my old e-mail address (pre cable modem) when I was with SpiritOne.) In the body of the HTML e-mail they have a link to "Click" for more information. This is the URL: http://freehost.OoOoOoOooOoOoOoOoOo.org/sscanner/index.html?5-cyb Here's the header of the e-mail: Return-Path: Received: from mx.spiritone.com ([216.99.221.5]) by rwcrgwc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020403225634.OSQB27736.rwcrgwc54.attbi.com at mx.spiritone.com> for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:56:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 15819 invoked by alias); 3 Apr 2002 22:56:29 -0000 Delivered-To: alias-spiritone-com-rstef at spiritone.com Received: (qmail 25853 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 22:56:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ) ([211.248.215.65]) (envelope-sender ) by mx.spiritone.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Apr 2002 22:56:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 9424 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2002 09:50:53 -0000 Received: from 0-4pool135-237.nas1.dallas2.tx.us.da.qwest.net (HELO mxs.mail.ru) (63.232.135.237) by 211.248.215.65 with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 09:50:53 -0000 Message-ID: <00005b3939f7$00004d56$00007775 at mxs.mail.ru> To: From: Spamfree at mail.ru Subject: Kill SPAM before it Arrives! SPAM FREE INBOX! 8010 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:41:53 -1800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: <00005b3939f7$00004d56$00007775 at mxs.mail.ru> The end of the HTML e-mail had this paragraph: This email was sent to you on behalf of the the coalition for responsible Internet marketing. You are receiving this email because you purchased a product from us in the past, or downloaded software from one of our websites and agreed to allow us to send you offers. If you wished to be removed from this mailing, please utilize our automated _removal_system_here_. If you request to be removed, we guarantee that you will never receive another email from us, but ONLY through the use of this product can you ensure that you do not receive ANY commercial emails I have no idea if I agreed to received e-mail notices from anyone way back then, but I'm sure it wasn't from any entity identified anywhere in this e-mail. The link at "_removal_system_here_" is: http://freehost.OoOoOoOooOoOoOoOoOo.org/remove.html Has anyone else seen this? -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From sandbox at pacifier.com Fri Apr 5 05:57:10 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 21:57:10 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Anti-Spam Spam References: <3CAD31CC.A9E688B4@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3CAD3CB6.7050905@pacifier.com> Richard Steffens shared his spam: > The link at "_removal_system_here_" is: > > http://freehost.OoOoOoOooOoOoOoOoOo.org/remove.html > > Has anyone else seen this? Now I have. Seems to be a bad host. Crap, now I'm spamming. Slippery -- Kyle Accardi From robinsom at mail.opusnet.com Fri Apr 5 06:10:45 2002 From: robinsom at mail.opusnet.com (robinsom ) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:10:45 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] What was the URL for the TIki Tiki site? Message-ID: <200204042210.AA125829634@mail.opusnet.com> At the April PLUG meeting Thursday night what is the URL of the site that was demonstrated? From robinsom at mail.opusnet.com Fri Apr 5 06:10:26 2002 From: robinsom at mail.opusnet.com (robinsom ) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:10:26 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] What was the URL for the TIki Tiki site? Message-ID: <200204042210.AA169607564@mail.opusnet.com> At the April PLUG meeting Thursday night what is the URL of the site that was demonstrated? From greg at gregory.myftp.org Fri Apr 5 08:25:25 2002 From: greg at gregory.myftp.org (Greg Long) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 00:25:25 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam - success rate of "remove" options in spam References: Message-ID: <3CAD5F75.8080500@gregory.myftp.org> I still suggest that people never reply to spam, as we all know it simply validates their email address should an engine be set up to account for that at the from or reply-to address. However, recently a friend informed me that he was getting a considerable ammount of spam until he followed the "remove" instructions enclosed in his spam emails and they stopped coming. I will ask him for more detail, though this raises the question: Are there any recent studies on the effectiveness of these remove links? My guess is that supposing 9 out of 10 work, that 1 in 10 will get you more unremovable spam than you can shake a NIC card at. Rich Shepard wrote: > I just read the applicable ORS for faxed spam, and it does (unfortunately) >explicitly reference the transmission of spam over telephone wires by >facsimile machies. > > However, on the bright side, it is much easier to modify a law than it is >to create a new one. (I know because last session produced a law that I >conceived and helped to nurse through the legislative process.) > > I encourage you to contact your state representative and senator (as I >will do) and ask them to make a small modification to ORS 636.872: remove >the explicit references to "facsimile machines" and replace them with >references to "digital or analog transmission". Should receive a warm >welcome. :-) > > If those of you who live in Washington will check the language of the >Washington anti-spam statute, please share with us the wording. I believe we >have an opening here to do something useful and productive. > >Rich > > >______________ >_________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > From jeme at brelin.net Fri Apr 5 09:13:26 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 01:13:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] What was the URL for the TIki Tiki site? In-Reply-To: <200204042210.AA169607564@mail.opusnet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, robinsom wrote: > At the April PLUG meeting Thursday night what is the URL of the site > that was demonstrated? J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From bill at coho.net Fri Apr 5 09:24:40 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 01:24:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Anti-unix site down after switching to Windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, if you haven't been paying attention to this episode http://www.wehavethewayout.com is functioning finally under winblows. If you haven't been reading slashdot, there's now http://www.wehavethewayin.com which pushes *nix's. And another site at http://www.weknowthewayout.com is sposed to go live on monday. On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Bill wrote: > Just curious--how could you tell that that was the problem? What I say > from dig made it look like a real machine (maybe covering for others > behind it?). And is there some way to be certain that it doesn't have the > right permissions? > > Bill > > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: > > > On Tuesday 02 April 2002 18:58, Wil Cooley wrote: > > > Also Sprach Matt Alexander on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 05:32:14PM > > > PST > > > > > > > This is too funny... what a PR nightmare this has become for MS. > > > > > > > > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-874223.html > > > > > > I checked yesterday and it was running IIS. I'm guessing it > > > got /.'d. > > > > When I checked it yesterday, the configuration was horribly fubared. > > > > They were trying to use a virtual server, but the permissions were such that > > the server could not get any of the web contents. > > > > I am expecting someone to hack that server and add a picture of a guy with a > > gun to his head and the logo "We have the way out!". > > > > I find it funny that Microsoft is trying to sell people on the idea that > > Microsoft admins need less training than Unix admins. To do it right, they > > need *MORE* training. (As well as weird arcane knowledge about what registry > > entries to tweak.) Their sales pitch seems to be "It has a GUI and we have > > lots of money, so it must be better!". > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Apr 5 14:06:04 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 06:06:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam - success rate of "remove" options in spam In-Reply-To: <3CAD5F75.8080500@gregory.myftp.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Greg Long wrote: > However, recently a friend informed me that he was getting a considerable > ammount of spam until he followed the "remove" instructions enclosed in > his spam emails and they stopped coming. I will ask him for more detail, > though this raises the question: Are there any recent studies on the > effectiveness of these remove links? My guess is that supposing 9 out of > 10 work, that 1 in 10 will get you more unremovable spam than you can > shake a NIC card at. When I called the optamail.com folks on the phone they said that their removal URL actually works. I told them why I didn't use it and they responded by (ahem!) "removing" my name from all their distribution lists. This worked for about a month. I'm now back to receiving spam from all the spammers they support (optamail.com, and their upstream ISP -- appliedtheory.com -- are spam factories). I'm more than a little annoyed. What I learned, second hand, was that Applied Theory Communications, Inc. in Syracuse, NY is in deep financial trouble. They won't drop spammers or anyone else as long as they pay the bills. Optamail.com is run from an answering machine in New York City. Cannot contact a human at that number or via e-mail. Some of the other spam factories have either invalid phone numbers or none listed on their records. Some have administrative contact addresses at hotmail.com! (I wish all the free e-mail hosts would go away.) One of the current crop of spam factories works through cerf.net. I've traced this to their parent organization, att.com. When I spoke with someone at AT&T they told me the proper address for reporting cerf.net-distributed spam is 'noc at attens.com' (for AT&T's Enhanced Network Services, which is cerf.net). So far, both spam reports and other e-mail to the Network Operations Center have gone unanswered. Wish I had more of an answer for you, but it's a waste of time and resources for us all. Rich From hapibeli at save-net.com Fri Apr 5 15:13:02 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:13:02 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] http config Message-ID: <20020405151227.86D393C1F9@server10.safepages.com> When configuring httpd, is it my true email address that I place in ServerAdmin? That seems insecure. I'm using Running Linux 3rd Ed as the model, but Mandrake 8.2 has a much more complex Apache. Dirk From sandy at herring.org Fri Apr 5 15:21:29 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:21:29 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] http config In-Reply-To: <20020405151227.86D393C1F9@server10.safepages.com>; from hapibeli@save-net.com on Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 07:13:02AM -0800 References: <20020405151227.86D393C1F9@server10.safepages.com> Message-ID: <20020405072129.A16750@kippered.herring.org> On Fri, 05 Apr 2002, Dirk & Karen wrote: > When configuring httpd, is it my true email address that I place in > ServerAdmin? That seems insecure. I'm using Running Linux 3rd Ed as the > model, but Mandrake 8.2 has a much more complex Apache. > Dirk Generally, it's the webmaster's email address. I don't know how this would compromise security in any way. If you want to make life more difficult for web bots that harvest email addresses, you can do as I have... [root at kippered root]# grep ServerAdmin /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf ServerAdmin webmaster@herring.org ...modifying it, of course. Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you want to make life more difficult for > web bots that harvest email addresses, you can do as I have... > > [root at kippered root]# grep ServerAdmin /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf > ServerAdmin webmaster@herring.org > > ...modifying it, of course. > > Sandy Thanks Sandy From hapibeli at save-net.com Fri Apr 5 15:49:03 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:49:03 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Directory accessible to http request Message-ID: <20020405154829.BCC1C14F876@server11.safepages.com> How do I make a directory accessible to an http request so that I can install Ipcop on a firewall from within our home network? Dirk From bhoran at hexdev.com Fri Apr 5 16:25:37 2002 From: bhoran at hexdev.com (Brian Horan) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:25:37 -0500 Subject: [PLUG] Directory accessible to http request In-Reply-To: <20020405154829.BCC1C14F876@server11.safepages.com> References: <20020405154829.BCC1C14F876@server11.safepages.com> Message-ID: <20020405160957.JLNE20360.imf06bis.bellsouth.net@there> you can use the directives....and make an alias: if you have mod_alias installed as follows: Alias /IPcop/ "/absolute/path/to/ipcop/directory/" to find out what apache modules you have loaded, simply run the httpd executable with a -l argument: /www/bin/httpd -l you may want to limit access to this directory by only allowing traffic from your local network.... I'm not very familiar with IPcop....it looks to me as though IPcop is a full linux install, though.....and should do everything you need more or less out of the box.... hope this helps.... -Brian On Friday 05 April 2002 10:49 am, you wrote: > How do I make a directory accessible to an http request so that I can > install Ipcop on a firewall from within our home network? > Dirk > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com From hapibeli at save-net.com Fri Apr 5 16:17:00 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:17:00 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: Directory accessible to http request Message-ID: <20020405161626.6230C14F87D@server11.safepages.com> -------- How do I make a directory accessible to an http request so that I can install Ipcop on a firewall from within our home network? My browser tells me this; "You don't have permission to access /mnt/cdrom/ipcop.tgz on this server." Dirk ------------------------------------------------------- From hapibeli at save-net.com Fri Apr 5 16:21:12 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:21:12 -0800 Subject: Fwd: Re: [PLUG] Directory accessible to http request Message-ID: <20020405162037.DD0455E8C@server1.safepages.com> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: [PLUG] Directory accessible to http request Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:25:37 -0500 From: Brian Horan To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org you can use the directives....and make an alias: if you have mod_alias installed as follows: Alias /IPcop/ "/absolute/path/to/ipcop/directory/" to find out what apache modules you have loaded, simply run the httpd executable with a -l argument: /www/bin/httpd -l you may want to limit access to this directory by only allowing traffic from your local network.... I'm not very familiar with IPcop....it looks to me as though IPcop is a full linux install, though.....and should do everything you need more or less out of the box.... hope this helps.... -Brian On Friday 05 April 2002 10:49 am, you wrote: > How do I make a directory accessible to an http request so that I can > install Ipcop on a firewall from within our home network? > Dirk > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com Thank you Brian Dirk---------------------- From hapibeli at save-net.com Fri Apr 5 16:38:26 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:38:26 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Directory accessible to http request In-Reply-To: <20020405160957.JLNE20360.imf06bis.bellsouth.net@there> References: <20020405154829.BCC1C14F876@server11.safepages.com> <20020405160957.JLNE20360.imf06bis.bellsouth.net@there> Message-ID: <20020405163751.0665C3C4B4@server10.safepages.com> On Friday 05 April 2002 08:25 am, you wrote: > you can use the > directives....and make an alias: > if you have mod_alias installed as follows: > Alias /IPcop/ "/absolute/path/to/ipcop/directory/" > > to find out what apache modules you have loaded, simply run the httpd > executable with a -l argument: > /www/bin/httpd -l > > you may want to limit access to this directory by only allowing traffic > from your local network.... > > I'm not very familiar with IPcop....it looks to me as though IPcop is a > full linux install, though.....and should do everything you need more or > less out of the box.... > > > hope this helps.... > -Brian t]# ls -la /mnt/cdrom total 21433 dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 Jan 16 13:56 ./ drwxr-x--- 7 root adm 4096 Feb 22 08:16 ../ dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 Jan 16 13:55 bin/ dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 Jan 16 13:56 boot/ -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 17992 Jan 16 13:42 COPYING* dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 Jan 16 13:42 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 Jan 16 13:42 dosutils/ dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 Jan 16 13:56 images/ -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 21908832 Jan 16 13:42 ipcop.tgz* dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 Jan 16 13:42 lib/ -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 1423 Jan 16 13:42 README.txt* [root at My root]# alias /mnt/cdrom /home/uploads bash: alias: `/mnt/cdrom' not found bash: alias: `/home/uploads' not found [root at My root]# I'm using the /home/uploads as the directory and ipcop-0.1.1 is in /mnt/cdrom. Is this what you had in mind? Forgive my ADD/HD. Dirk From rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com Fri Apr 5 16:42:02 2002 From: rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:42:02 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Anti-Spam Spam Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463AD21@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> > From: Richard Steffens [mailto:rsteff at attbi.com] > I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I got a spam today from > an outfit that is marketing an anti-spam product. The subject line read: Don't laugh, don't cry, assassinate spam! As mentioned by others on this list, spamassassin works great. In fact, your email was delivered to my work account which has little spam protection. But at home where spamassassin is installed the body of the spam you included triggered enough alarms that it was rejected. If you (anyone) are running an older system or one not supported by the spamassassin RPMs the tar ball is an easy install. -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com Fri Apr 5 16:48:48 2002 From: rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:48:48 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] What was the URL for the TIki Tiki site? Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463AD25@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Other local Wikis that may be of interest: http://www.personaltelco.net - PDX area wireless group http://daemon.patch.com - entry point into the four wiki engines I'm checking out. http://wiki.patch.com - entry point into the wiki I currently like the best of the four -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From bhoran at hexdev.com Fri Apr 5 17:27:24 2002 From: bhoran at hexdev.com (Brian Horan) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:27:24 -0500 Subject: [PLUG] Directory accessible to http request In-Reply-To: <20020405163751.0665C3C4B4@server10.safepages.com> References: <20020405154829.BCC1C14F876@server11.safepages.com> <20020405160957.JLNE20360.imf06bis.bellsouth.net@there> <20020405163751.0665C3C4B4@server10.safepages.com> Message-ID: <20020405171143.CQKY17947.imf17bis.bellsouth.net@there> ooooh... I see a number of issues with this config.... 1) Your cdrom should not be accessable via apache..... 2) same as number 1 3) The Alias I was referring to is an Apache directive (in httpd.conf)...not the shell alias...under the section 4) It looks like you are running RatHed (or redhat -- as you may call it) ...and it looks like you have a tarball (.tgz or .tar.gz) on the CDROM .. I guess IPcop is a full linux install....from what I read at their site....this is a full operating system and is not a program....simply a slimmed down Linux distro with firewall utilities....it seems that if you want to use it, that you should install IPcop on that machine rather than the existing Linux install...... If you are looking for a firewall, redhat has various tools for doing this that would waste alot less of your time....ipfw of ipchains or something like that....I would also recommend installing software from source code, once you are comfortable with compiling, etc... Some things to think about are as follows: -)remove unnecessary programs and other things from your firewall box. -)perhaps look into the possibility of using FreeBSD as a firewall....FreeBSD (IMHO) has easier kernel configuration and makes a better firewall....there is tons of info regarding this on the web. -)You may be able to do your firewalling with routers/switches, etc depending upon your network connectivity....if you need/want a web interface, I can write you a small, secure webserver that can give you stats, and help you configure the firewall without the overhead of a FULL apache install.... -)firewall configuration should NOT be accesable from outside your network... because if you can do it, so can someone else....the magic acronym is ACL.... Access Control List.... If you need help with any of this stuff, please feel free to email me off-list...bhoran at hexdev.com sorry about the verbose rant... -Brian On Friday 05 April 2002 11:38 am, you wrote: > On Friday 05 April 2002 08:25 am, you wrote: > > you can use the > > directives....and make an alias: > > if you have mod_alias installed as follows: > > Alias /IPcop/ "/absolute/path/to/ipcop/directory/" > > > > to find out what apache modules you have loaded, simply run the httpd > > executable with a -l argument: > > /www/bin/httpd -l > > > > you may want to limit access to this directory by only allowing traffic > > from your local network.... > > > > I'm not very familiar with IPcop....it looks to me as though IPcop is a > > full linux install, though.....and should do everything you need more or > > less out of the box.... > > > > > > hope this helps.... > > -Brian > > t]# ls -la /mnt/cdrom > total 21433 > dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 Jan 16 13:56 ./ > drwxr-x--- 7 root adm 4096 Feb 22 08:16 ../ > dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 Jan 16 13:55 bin/ > dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 Jan 16 13:56 boot/ > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 17992 Jan 16 13:42 COPYING* > dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 Jan 16 13:42 doc/ > dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 Jan 16 13:42 dosutils/ > dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 Jan 16 13:56 images/ > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 21908832 Jan 16 13:42 ipcop.tgz* > dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 Jan 16 13:42 lib/ > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 1423 Jan 16 13:42 README.txt* > [root at My root]# alias /mnt/cdrom /home/uploads > bash: alias: `/mnt/cdrom' not found > bash: alias: `/home/uploads' not found > [root at My root]# > > > I'm using the /home/uploads as the directory and ipcop-0.1.1 is in > /mnt/cdrom. Is this what you had in mind? Forgive my ADD/HD. > Dirk > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com From derek at infotects.com Fri Apr 5 17:11:16 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:11:16 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Many of you already know my answer... References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> <1017943988.25619.16.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACA16F.51C15560@infotects.com> <1017946889.26411.20.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACAFF1.63D86AB7@infotects.com> <1017951429.14938.24.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACBD37.B93D3AE1@infotects.com> <1017958622.14938.47.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <3CACFF1F.9082311B@infotects.com> <1017975027.1352.5.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> Message-ID: <3CADDAB4.18B46217@infotects.com> "Karl M. Hegbloom" wrote: > On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 17:34, Derek Loree wrote: > > > Uggg, it still didn't work, though it got much further along. I'm guessing that more gnome-dev > > stuff needs to be installed before this thing will go, but the latest error has to do with > > videograbber and a function called PVideoInputDevice. This is turning into a lot of work for > > something that may or may not do what I want it to. > > Did you run "apt-get build-dep gnomemeeting"? "Unable to find a source package for gnomemeeting" > > What release are you pointed at? Unstable or Testing? > Sid From russj at dimstar.net Fri Apr 5 17:26:12 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:26:12 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam - success rate of "remove" options in spam In-Reply-To: References: <3CAD5F75.8080500@gregory.myftp.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020405092401.00b96bc8@localhost> What ever happened to the idea of listing the spamming domain somewhere? I thought I remembered some members of PLUG discussing this in here. I, for one, have no problem adding spamming domains to my own black list so they bounce. At 06:06 AM 4/5/2002 -0800, you wrote: > What I learned, second hand, was that Applied Theory Communications, Inc. >in Syracuse, NY is in deep financial trouble. They won't drop spammers or >anyone else as long as they pay the bills. Optamail.com is run from an >answering machine in New York City. Cannot contact a human at that number or >via e-mail. Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net Don't judge a book by its movie From sandy at herring.org Fri Apr 5 17:28:03 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:28:03 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Going online via cell phone? Message-ID: <20020405092803.B16750@kippered.herring.org> forwarded with permission... Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Sean Hanson Subject: Re: (forw) [PLUG] Going online via cell phone? Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:28:39 -0800 (PST) Size: 2352 URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From russj at dimstar.net Fri Apr 5 17:59:02 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:59:02 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Anti-Spam Spam In-Reply-To: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463AD21@cmc-exchange.colu mbiafunds.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020405095810.00b969f0@localhost> Also on the spamassassin website, it lists the following: apt-get install spamassassin At 08:42 AM 4/5/2002 -0800, you wrote: >If you (anyone) are running an older system or one not supported by the >spamassassin RPMs the tar ball is an easy install. (Sorry, couldn't resist) Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net Don't judge a book by its movie From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Apr 5 18:00:21 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:00:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Going online via cell phone? In-Reply-To: <20020405092803.B16750@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: > forwarded with permission... Sandy, That gives me hope! I have my Toshiba Portege 3025CT talking to the Kyocera QCP-6035 phone (using the *very* expensive Kyocera data cable), but I cannot get a connection when I try dialing into my Aracnet shell account; the connection is instantly dropped. I've no idea how to debug this problem, but I want to work on it this weekend. Thanks, Rich From m at netpro.to Fri Apr 5 18:58:52 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:58:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] KDE 3 on RH 7.1 Message-ID: Has anyone had any luck installing the RPMs for KDE 3.0 on a RH 7.1 box? I haven't been able to resolve the numerous complaints about libssl.so.2 and libcrypto.so.2 missing. Thanks, ~M From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Fri Apr 5 19:24:23 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:24:23 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Xine and kernals Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA731@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> >What does /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 look like? You might be loading the wrong >video driver or not loading the correct modules to get acceleration out of >the driver. I think I am getting somewhere now. I didn't have much time to look at this last night as I was helping someone else with their computer. I looked at the ~/.xine/config file and if I read it correctly, it is using SXhm. (I don't know what the really means, but it's in the faq.) I tried to use Xv by typing: xine -V Xv It gave a message saying that it could not load the library for Xv and terminated. I looked in /usr/X11R6/lib/ and found both libXv.a and libXv.so. I was confused to find different copies of XF86Config. I thought that the one that was used was /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config. There was also /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and /etc/X11/XF86Config. These were all created when I installed RH 7.2 It looks to me like there are several drivers listed. I don't know which is in use. I really appreciate your help. Here is part of my /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config that may be relevant: # ********************************************************************** # Screen section # ********************************************************************** # The kernel framebuffer server Section "Screen" Driver "fbdev" Device "Generic VGA Card" Monitor "Probed Monitor" Subsection "Display" # Depth 16 Depth 16 Modes "default" EndSubsection EndSection # The 16-color VGA server Section "Screen" Driver "vga16" Device "Generic VGA Card" Monitor "LKM3280" Subsection "Display" Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection # The Mono server Section "Screen" Driver "vga2" Device "Generic VGA Card" Monitor "LKM3280" Subsection "Display" Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection # The svga server Section "Screen" Driver "svga" Device "SiS 620" Monitor "LKM3280" DefaultColorDepth 16 Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection # The accel server Section "Screen" Driver "accel" Device "SiS 620" Monitor "LKM3280" DefaultColorDepth 16 Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Fri Apr 5 20:18:41 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: 05 Apr 2002 12:18:41 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Bugzilla or ... In-Reply-To: <005301c1dc31$a0011be0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> References: <20020404224700.GA29775@subtend.net> <005301c1dc31$a0011be0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Message-ID: <1018037921.15697.14.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> From: "Kris" > So is Bugzilla generic enough that it could be used robustly as a > trouble ticket system? See if you like "mantis" once: http://bugs.netule.org/ That site is somewhat experimental at this stage. We've not for sure decided on using Mantis. What do you think? It's PHP with a mysql database backend. I hope it upgrades fine... if he changes the database schema, it could blow away a valuable BTS database, unless the upgrade properly manages the schema migration. From bmurray617 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 5 20:23:52 2002 From: bmurray617 at earthlink.net (Ben Murray) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:23:52 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam - success rate of "remove" options in spam In-Reply-To: <3CAD5F75.8080500@gregory.myftp.org> Message-ID: <000001c1dcdf$cd83cff0$0301a8c0@chronos> Here is a story that was posted today on Wired News with some information relevant to the discussion: http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,51517,00.html Ben -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Greg Long Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 12:25 AM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] ORS and spam - success rate of "remove" options in spam I still suggest that people never reply to spam, as we all know it simply validates their email address should an engine be set up to account for that at the from or reply-to address. However, recently a friend informed me that he was getting a considerable ammount of spam until he followed the "remove" instructions enclosed in his spam emails and they stopped coming. I will ask him for more detail, though this raises the question: Are there any recent studies on the effectiveness of these remove links? My guess is that supposing 9 out of 10 work, that 1 in 10 will get you more unremovable spam than you can shake a NIC card at. Rich Shepard wrote: > I just read the applicable ORS for faxed spam, and it does (unfortunately) >explicitly reference the transmission of spam over telephone wires by >facsimile machies. > > However, on the bright side, it is much easier to modify a law than it is >to create a new one. (I know because last session produced a law that I >conceived and helped to nurse through the legislative process.) > > I encourage you to contact your state representative and senator (as I >will do) and ask them to make a small modification to ORS 636.872: remove >the explicit references to "facsimile machines" and replace them with >references to "digital or analog transmission". Should receive a warm >welcome. :-) > > If those of you who live in Washington will check the language of the >Washington anti-spam statute, please share with us the wording. I believe we >have an opening here to do something useful and productive. > >Rich > > >______________ >_________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From m at netpro.to Fri Apr 5 21:05:46 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:05:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] RPM dependency problems with KDE 3 on RedHat 7.1 Message-ID: OK, just in case anyone out there cares, I resolved the libssl.so.2 and libcrypto.so.2 problems by removing the openssl RPM that came with RH 7.1 and then installing openssl-0.9.6b-16.i386.rpm (Rawhide) from rpmfind.net. Sheesh... And now on to the other dependency problems... yippee... ~M From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Apr 5 21:04:14 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:04:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] ORS and spam - success rate of "remove" options in spam In-Reply-To: <000001c1dcdf$cd83cff0$0301a8c0@chronos> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Ben Murray wrote: > Here is a story that was posted today on Wired News with some information > relevant to the discussion: > > http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,51517,00.html Ben, About what I would have expected. But, I'm trying something a little different. Although I'm not a lawyer -- and won't play one on TV, either -- I decided that ORS 646.872 probably applies to e-mail as well as paper facsimile transmissions. After all, we're not getting the original message, but a digitally transmitted copy sent over telphone lines. Regardless of whether the recipient (me, in this case) sees the message on a piece of paper coming out of the fax machine or an e-mail in pine, the delivered copy is a facsimile of the original. So, I'm sending the details of the ORS (including the potential for fines and penalties up to $25,000 per incident and costs of investigation) along with the spamcop reports. I let them know, too, that one more UCE and I turn loose my corporate attorney and the state's Attorney General's office. We'll see what happens. :-) Rich From krisa at subtend.net Fri Apr 5 22:11:59 2002 From: krisa at subtend.net (Kris) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:11:59 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] LDP mirror Message-ID: <20020405221159.GA5412@navi.subtend.net> PDX has another Linux Documentation Project mirror. I've donated some bandwidth (5mb direct from colo) and space on my humble little server. http://subtend.net/LDP -- I'm just a packet pusher. From montagne at boora.com Fri Apr 5 22:22:15 2002 From: montagne at boora.com (Michael Montagne) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:22:15 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Samba Issue Message-ID: <20020405222215.GA30010@boora.com> Strange issue. I'm sharing a printer from Linux in a windows network. It's used to print PDF files. I have several samba printer shares on this box. Now several people (not all) are having trouble connecting to the printer. Generally, you can double-click on the printer share icon in "My Network Places" (Win2000) and the drivers will load and the printer will be added to your computer. For these unfortunate few, they get an "Unable to Connect" message at the top of the printer window. The other printer on that box has no connection issues. Here is a snippet from smb.conf showing both printers. The one called pdf is the bad one. [pdf] path = /tmp guest ok = Yes printable = Yes print command = /usr/bin/printpdf %s lpq command = lprm command = printer driver =HP DesignJet 750C/PS printer driver file =/etc/samba/printerdrivers/printers.def printer driver location = /etc/samba/printerdriver [ProjInfoPinter] path = /tmp guest ok = Yes printable =Yes print command = /usr/bin/printpdfprojinfo %s lpq command = lprm command = printer driver= HPLaserJet 5/5M PostScript printer driver file = /etc/samba/printerdrivers/printers.def printer driver location = /etc/samba/printerdrivers This is the log from samba. [2002/04/05 14:01:21, 0] smbd/connection.c:yield_connection(63) yield_connection: tdb_delete for name failed with error Record does not exist. [2002/04/05 14:01:21, 0] smbd/connection.c:yield_connection(63) yield_connection: tdb_delete for name failed with error Record does not exist. [2002/04/05 14:01:38, 0] rpc_server/srv_spoolss_nt.c:_spoolss_fcpn(4695) _spoolss_fcpn: Invalid handle (OTHER) [2002/04/05 14:01:38, 0] rpc_server/srv_spoolss_nt.c:close_printer_handle(261) close_printer_handle: Invalid handle (OTHER) [2002/04/05 14:01:40, 0] smbd/connection.c:yield_connection(63) yield_connection: tdb_delete for name failed with error Record does not exist. [2002/04/05 14:01:41, 0] smbd/connection.c:yield_connection(63) yield_connection: tdb_delete for name failed with error Record does not exist. [2002/04/05 14:01:47, 0] smbd/connection.c:yield_connection(63) yield_connection: tdb_delete for name failed with error Record does not exist. [2002/04/05 14:01:48, 0] smbd/connection.c:yield_connection(63) yield_connection: tdb_delete for name failed with error Record does not exist. -- Michael Montagne montagne at boora.com http://www.boora.com From jeff at jhenshaw.com Fri Apr 5 22:30:12 2002 From: jeff at jhenshaw.com (Jeff A. Henshaw) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:30:12 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] From my logss- what is this References: <200204041831.g34IVEG01635@localhost.localdomain> <1017946995.26411.23.camel@juniper.intra.microsharp.com> <200204041915.g34JFrG01657@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <012901c1dcf1$73804620$0400a8c0@dslonly.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike De La Mater" To: Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [PLUG] From my logss- what is this > Yup, that's it. A hacker just dumped it. > > It's hard to imagine for me, that so may people would want to hack into my > P200 server. I mean, don't they have a better PC than that?!?!? > This has been my security strategy for years; always use a 286 or slower 99.999% effective ;) From cmize at loadzone.org Fri Apr 5 22:36:27 2002 From: cmize at loadzone.org (Chuck Mize) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:36:27 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Info about formmail.cgi spam Message-ID: <20020405143627.M60734@loadzone.org> A few days ago somebody posted to the list asking about spammers looking for formmail.cgi on their web server. If anybody is actually running formmail they should take a look at this link: http://www.monkeys.com/anti-spam/formmail-advisory.html Broken formmail scripts and open proxies are becoming even more popular with spammers than open mail relays... From bill at coho.net Fri Apr 5 22:48:01 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:48:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] RPM dependency problems with KDE 3 on RedHat 7.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And if KDE3 is less of a mega-RAM hog than KDE 2 (which eats up what, 150 MB just to run) please let us know. I thought Linux was 'sposed to work on older hardware, but KDE 2 must leave Microsoft and Star Office developers green with envy at the pure RAM-eatin' skill displayed. Bill On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > OK, just in case anyone out there cares, I resolved the libssl.so.2 and > libcrypto.so.2 problems by removing the openssl RPM that came with RH 7.1 > and then installing openssl-0.9.6b-16.i386.rpm (Rawhide) from > rpmfind.net. > Sheesh... > And now on to the other dependency problems... yippee... > ~M > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From launi at zaramyth.net Fri Apr 5 23:00:47 2002 From: launi at zaramyth.net (launi) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:00:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] ATT cable modem reccommendations In-Reply-To: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463AD21@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: Which cable modems are compliant with ATT specifications and are Linux frendly? Can ATT find out if you are running a DHCP server if you have a Linux box connected directly to their cable modem? I'm helping a friend set up a network and I'm using my network as an example with the exception that I have DSL and a ISP that says private networks are cool and ATT that uses cable modems and says private networks are not. He is willing to pay for connecting his kids computers to the modem when he gets things configured, but wants to test things first. -- ____________________________________________ Lonnie Wormley launi at zaramyth.net [Linux and Java] lonnie at launi.com [Window$ and graphics] http://www.launi.com http://www.zaramyth.net ____________________________________________ From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Apr 5 23:24:37 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:24:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Backups -- revisited Message-ID: Today's mail brought an upgrade to BRU-17.0. This is the backup software I've used for the past four years and I was quite happy when the employees bought the name and products after the company tanked. (It's now The Tolis Group.) Anyway, I know that from time to time questions have been raised here about what backup software to use, especially in a mixed-OS, enterprise environment. Because I didn't recognize the significance of the "Workstation" chop on the CD, I called them to ask. It's the same network-capable version I've been using all along. But, the reason I write is that they have a couple of other products that folks here might want to consider. On the high end is their new BRU-Pro 2.0. It now supports tape libraries and mixed OS environments. Next week they'll have their W2K clients available (in addition to the NT/9x/whatever clients). From a linux (or other UNIX) server you can now back up everything. On the lower end are the SOHO offering and a home user offering. The reason I'm enthused about the company and its products is the superb support they've always offered. One of their executives (I think he's now the President) was a constant presence on the floppy-tape mail list years ago and walked me through the configuration of my old Colorado Memory Systems floppy tape drive with BRU-14 or -15. That kind of help wins my loyalty. Over the years I've had problems with tape drives (as some of you know only too well) that were resolved by going to a high-end drive; at least, high end for my small operation: the Tandberg SLR-60. Since that was installed summer before last I've had absolutely no backup problems. The BRU crew went the extra mile helping me diagnose where the problem was (they worked with Tandberg's tech support on the previous drive's problems) and they helped me tune the command line for the new drive. So, using BRU costs more than tar, dump, cpio and uucp but it's been well worth the money for me. I don't mind recommending them because of the value they've given to me over the years. Rich From m at netpro.to Fri Apr 5 23:33:17 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:33:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] RPM dependency problems with KDE 3 on RedHat 7.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't know all of the technical details, but I had heard that this is actually problem with the g++ compiler. ~M On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Bill wrote: > And if KDE3 is less of a mega-RAM hog than KDE 2 (which eats up what, 150 > MB just to run) please let us know. > > I thought Linux was 'sposed to work on older hardware, but KDE 2 must > leave Microsoft and Star Office developers green with envy at the pure > RAM-eatin' skill displayed. > > Bill > > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > > > OK, just in case anyone out there cares, I resolved the libssl.so.2 and > > libcrypto.so.2 problems by removing the openssl RPM that came with RH 7.1 > > and then installing openssl-0.9.6b-16.i386.rpm (Rawhide) from > > rpmfind.net. > > Sheesh... > > And now on to the other dependency problems... yippee... > > ~M > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Apr 5 23:53:51 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:53:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] RPM dependency problems with KDE 3 on RedHat 7.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > I don't know all of the technical details, but I had heard that this is > actually problem with the g++ compiler. > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Bill wrote: > > > And if KDE3 is less of a mega-RAM hog than KDE 2 (which eats up what, 150 > > MB just to run) please let us know. > > > > I thought Linux was 'sposed to work on older hardware, but KDE 2 must > > leave Microsoft and Star Office developers green with envy at the pure > > RAM-eatin' skill displayed. Try Xfce (http://www.xfce.org). Light, fast, functional. If I knew how to find out how much memory xfce is using[1], I'd tell you in this message. Rich [1] I looked at the 'ps' man page without finding an option to tell me memory usage. From wcooley at nakedape.cc Fri Apr 5 23:55:25 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:55:25 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] What was the URL for the TIki Tiki site? In-Reply-To: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463AD25@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com>; from rasmussenm@columbiafunds.com on Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 08:48:48AM -0800 References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463AD25@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: <20020405155525.Y5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Michael Rasmussen on Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 08:48:48AM PST > Other local Wikis that may be of interest: > > http://www.personaltelco.net - PDX area wireless group > http://daemon.patch.com - entry point into the four wiki engines I'm > checking out. > http://wiki.patch.com - entry point into the wiki I currently like > the best of the four http://nakedape.cc/wiki/ - It's my own sort of personal admin notes page. Not really much there yet. I've got a notebook with a couple dozen AIX tips I've been meaning to enter. 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But, I'm trying something a little > different. > > Although I'm not a lawyer -- and won't play one on TV, either -- I decided > that ORS 646.872 probably applies to e-mail as well as paper facsimile > transmissions. After all, we're not getting the original message, but a > digitally transmitted copy sent over telphone lines. Regardless of whether > the recipient (me, in this case) sees the message on a piece of paper coming > out of the fax machine or an e-mail in pine, the delivered copy is a > facsimile of the original. > > So, I'm sending the details of the ORS (including the potential for fines > and penalties up to $25,000 per incident and costs of investigation) along > with the spamcop reports. I let them know, too, that one more UCE and I turn > loose my corporate attorney and the state's Attorney General's office. We'll > see what happens. :-) I think you could reasonably say a T-[13], a DSL, frame relay, ATM, etc. being also used for voice communications probably also count as a "telephone line" even if not being used for voice. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From keith at ahapala.net Sat Apr 6 00:13:35 2002 From: keith at ahapala.net (Keith Nasman) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:13:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] What was the URL for the TIki Tiki site? In-Reply-To: <20020405155525.Y5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Wil Cooley wrote: > Also Sprach Michael Rasmussen on Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 08:48:48AM PST > > Other local Wikis that may be of interest: > > > > http://www.personaltelco.net - PDX area wireless group > > http://daemon.patch.com - entry point into the four wiki engines I'm > > checking out. > > http://wiki.patch.com - entry point into the wiki I currently like > > the best of the four > > http://nakedape.cc/wiki/ - It's my own sort of personal admin > notes page. Not really much there yet. I've got a notebook with > a couple dozen AIX tips I've been meaning to enter. > > Wil > Nice start, Wil. Think of what a nice addition to the PLUG website something like that would be. With all the talent we've got on this list it would be a great reference to administrating Linux/Unix boxes. Keith From rsteff at attbi.com Sat Apr 6 00:32:48 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:32:48 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] ATT cable modem reccommendations References: Message-ID: <3CAE4230.B6B230F6@attbi.com> launi wrote: > Which cable modems are compliant with ATT specifications and are Linux > frendly? AT&T provided me with an RCA Model DCM235. I have it connected to a Netgear RT314 router and have 2 Linux and 3 Windows machines connected to it. The router is running as a DHCP server on the private side and a DHCP client on the AT&T side. The same sort of thing is done by others on this list with a Linux floppy firewall machine serving as the router. Mine works fine. No complaints from AT&T. > I'm helping a friend set up a network and I'm using my network as an > example with the exception that I have DSL and a ISP that says > private networks are cool and ATT that uses cable modems and says private > networks are not. You may be confusing AT&T's rule against running a server over their network with having your own private network that shares access to the Internet through their network. I don't think they care how many machines connect through their modem as long as the bandwidth consumed is reasonable. On the other hand, AT&T rewrites their rules from time to time, so what they are saying now may be different from what they said when I got started. Back then, when it was @home, they provided a web page or two that gave instructions on how to set up a home network. > He is willing to pay for connecting his kids computers to the modem when > he gets things configured, but wants to test things first. I recall that one of the options used to be having more than one IP address, and that you paid extra for that. Again, as long as the bandwidth consumed is reasonable, they probably don't care. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From Cooper.Stevenson at wahchang.com Sat Apr 6 00:54:12 2002 From: Cooper.Stevenson at wahchang.com (Cooper.Stevenson at wahchang.com) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:54:12 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] SECOND MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA392003059887@arnold.bedrock.com> M E E T I N G A N N O U N C E M E N T WHEN: Saturday, April 6th at 1:00 p.m. WHERE: P.E.A.K, Inc. 1600 SW Western at 15th Corvallis, OR For a map: http://www.peak.org/peak_info/peak-map.html AGENDA: 1:00 - 2:00 p.m. New User's Hour 2:00 - 2:30 p.m. ``In The News'' 2:30 - 3:00 p.m. Group Business 3:00 - 4:00 p.m. Presentation -- "Dynamic Web Scripting" Omer Hickman with Imperative Systems offers an Introduction to PHP, MySQL and other dynamic Web content technologies! ____________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson | cooper.stevenson at wahchang.com UNIX Administrator | PH: (541) 917-6793 Wah Chang, Inc. | FAX: (541) 924-6895 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- From fixin at peak.org Sat Apr 6 00:51:33 2002 From: fixin at peak.org (Eric House) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:51:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Re: Going online via cell phone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Having started this thread, I should add another data point. I called a bunch of Verizon dealers (in Corvallis and on the SF Peninsula) with a simple proposition: I walk in with a laptop and you supply a phone and data cable. If I'm able to dial into my ISP I buy the phone, cable, and service contract from you. If not, I leave. Most either didn't even understand what I wanted or don't stock data cables. But Radio Shack (Corvallis) had someone able to tell me that the Samsung T300 would work, and happy to just sell me the cable (for $40). This I plugged into a borrowed T300, and connected to a shell account at my ISP long enough to send some email using pine and emacs. I've not yet tried to get PPP going, but don't expect any trouble. So: Samsung T300 ($130 from a local Verizon dealer with a $45/month 1-year plan) works with Linux. (Debian Woody on a Dell Latitude CPx, though I can't imagine that matters.) --Eric ****************************************************************************** * From the desktop of: Eric House, fixin at peak.org * * Crosswords 4.0 for PalmOS is out!: * ****************************************************************************** From nmeyers at javalinux.net Sat Apr 6 00:52:20 2002 From: nmeyers at javalinux.net (Nathan Meyers) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:52:20 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] SashXB opens Linux development to the masses Message-ID: <20020406005220.GA12688@javalinux.net> Story from Wired.com: IBM's open-source SashXB is a scripting language that lets mere mortals write useful and sophisticated "weblications" that run on the desktop but are managed like Web pages. It's released under the LGPL, and is winning over skeptics: http://www.wired.com/news/linux/0,1411,51476,00.html Nathan From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Sat Apr 6 01:45:13 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:45:13 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Xine and kernals Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA745@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> I have been searching for help on the web for this and many of the pages I find talk about a file called, libXv.so.1. I have libXv.so, but not libXv.so.1. Does this mean anything to anyone? From sean_whitney at bigfoot.com Sat Apr 6 03:29:43 2002 From: sean_whitney at bigfoot.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:29:43 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] ATT cable modem reccommendations In-Reply-To: <3CAE4230.B6B230F6@attbi.com> References: <3CAE4230.B6B230F6@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020406032944.67C092F23B@einstein.seansdomain.org> Any cable modem that is docsis 1.0-1.1 should be good to go, Motorola, RCA, 3Com, Com21. As to doing NAT, this is kind of a confusing issue, however on their web page they have instructions and sell linksys devices that will facilitate NAT, so it must be ok. Sean You probably On Friday 05 April 2002 16:32, you hammered at the keyboard: > launi wrote: > > Which cable modems are compliant with ATT specifications and are Linux > > frendly? > > AT&T provided me with an RCA Model DCM235. I have it connected to a > Netgear RT314 router and have 2 Linux and 3 Windows machines connected > to it. The router is running as a DHCP server on the private side and a > DHCP client on the AT&T side. The same sort of thing is done by others > on this list with a Linux floppy firewall machine serving as the router. > > Mine works fine. No complaints from AT&T. > > > I'm helping a friend set up a network and I'm using my network as an > > example with the exception that I have DSL and a ISP that says > > private networks are cool and ATT that uses cable modems and says private > > networks are not. > > You may be confusing AT&T's rule against running a server over their > network with having your own private network that shares access to the > Internet through their network. I don't think they care how many > machines connect through their modem as long as the bandwidth consumed > is reasonable. On the other hand, AT&T rewrites their rules from time to > time, so what they are saying now may be different from what they said > when I got started. Back then, when it was @home, they provided a web > page or two that gave instructions on how to set up a home network. > > > He is willing to pay for connecting his kids computers to the modem when > > he gets things configured, but wants to test things first. > > I recall that one of the options used to be having more than one IP > address, and that you paid extra for that. Again, as long as the > bandwidth consumed is reasonable, they probably don't care. -- It is surely a great calamity for a human being to have no obsessions. - Robert Bly From robbert at vafam.com Sat Apr 6 04:10:18 2002 From: robbert at vafam.com (Robbert van Andel) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:10:18 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] ATT cable modem reccommendations In-Reply-To: <3CAE4230.B6B230F6@attbi.com> Message-ID: <001301c1dd20$f6ddfd80$6400a8c0@main> I use the Motorola 4200 Surfboard connected to a linksys router. No problems on my side. I set Linux to completely dynamic IP settings and it works great. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Richard Steffens Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:33 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] ATT cable modem reccommendations launi wrote: > Which cable modems are compliant with ATT specifications and are Linux > frendly? AT&T provided me with an RCA Model DCM235. I have it connected to a Netgear RT314 router and have 2 Linux and 3 Windows machines connected to it. The router is running as a DHCP server on the private side and a DHCP client on the AT&T side. The same sort of thing is done by others on this list with a Linux floppy firewall machine serving as the router. Mine works fine. No complaints from AT&T. > I'm helping a friend set up a network and I'm using my network as an > example with the exception that I have DSL and a ISP that says > private networks are cool and ATT that uses cable modems and says private > networks are not. You may be confusing AT&T's rule against running a server over their network with having your own private network that shares access to the Internet through their network. I don't think they care how many machines connect through their modem as long as the bandwidth consumed is reasonable. On the other hand, AT&T rewrites their rules from time to time, so what they are saying now may be different from what they said when I got started. Back then, when it was @home, they provided a web page or two that gave instructions on how to set up a home network. > He is willing to pay for connecting his kids computers to the modem when > he gets things configured, but wants to test things first. I recall that one of the options used to be having more than one IP address, and that you paid extra for that. Again, as long as the bandwidth consumed is reasonable, they probably don't care. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Sat Apr 6 04:39:05 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:39:05 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Xine and kernals Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA747@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> >What does /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 look like? You might be loading the >wrong video driver or not loading the correct modules to get acceleration out >of the driver. Here it is. # File generated by anaconda. Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Anaconda Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "Files" # The location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) # By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of # the X server to render fonts. FontPath "unix/:7100" EndSection Section "Module" Load "GLcore" Load "dbe" Load "extmod" Load "fbdevhw" Load "pex5" Load "dri" Load "glx" Load "pex5" Load "record" Load "xie" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "keyboard" # Option "AutoRepeat" "500 5" # when using XQUEUE, comment out the above line, and uncomment the # following line # Option "Protocol" "Xqueue" # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) # Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. # Option "XkbDisable" # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. # keyboard, you will probably want to use: # Option "XkbModel" "pc102" # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: # Option "XkbModel" "microsoft" # # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # or: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" # # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and # control keys, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" #Option "XkbVariant" "" #Option "XkbOptions" "" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "Microsoft" Option "Device" "/dev/ttyS0" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "Monitor Model" HorizSync 31.5-48.5 VertRefresh 50-70 Option "dpms" # -- 1400x1050 -- # 1400x1050 @ 60Hz, 65.8 kHz hsync Modeline "1400x1050" 129 1400 1464 1656 1960 1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync # 1400x1050 @ 70Hz, 76.8 kHz hsync Modeline "1400x1050" 151 1400 1464 1656 1960 1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync # 1400x1050 @ 75Hz, 82.3 kHz hsync Modeline "1400x1050" 162 1400 1464 1656 1960 1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync # 1400x1050 @ 85Hz, 93.2 kHz hsync Modeline "1400x1050" 184 1400 1464 1656 1960 1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync EndSection Section "Device" # no known options Identifier "SiS 620" Driver "sis" VendorName "SiS 620" BoardName "SiS 620" #BusID EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "SiS 620" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 16 Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "800x600" EndSubsection EndSection Section "DRI" Mode 0666 EndSection From dgc at easystreet.com Sat Apr 6 05:09:55 2002 From: dgc at easystreet.com (dgc at easystreet.com) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 21:09:55 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] ATT cable modem reccommendations In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 05 Apr 2002 19:29:43 PST." <20020406032944.67C092F23B@einstein.seansdomain.org> Message-ID: <20020406051001.2F862C4C2F@dsl-209-162-216-78.easystreet.com> With AT&T BI, at least at the moment, there isn't a problem running nat, etc. The problem might come later, after Comcast's purchase of AT&T Broadband goes through. There were news stories in EE Times, etc. a couple of months ago about cable companies complaining that people using routers, nat protocols, etc. to connect multiple computers to one cable outlet were "stealing" service. They wanted everybody running more than one system to register them and pay an additional fee. AT&T was not part of that group. dgc > > > > You may be confusing AT&T's rule against running a server over their > > network with having your own private network that shares access to the > > Internet through their network. I don't think they care how many > > machines connect through their modem as long as the bandwidth consumed > > is reasonable. On the other hand, AT&T rewrites their rules from time to > > time, so what they are saying now may be different from what they said > > when I got started. Back then, when it was @home, they provided a web > > page or two that gave instructions on how to set up a home network. > > From rsteff at attbi.com Sat Apr 6 21:34:05 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 13:34:05 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Browser won't browse Message-ID: <3CAF69CD.D6941B59@attbi.com> I haven't used my laptop for a few weeks. I just plugged it in, turned it on, booted RH 7.1, started up Mozilla, and tried to browse the Internet. I can see my other Linux machine's web server, but can't get out on the Internet. I get the message, The connection was refused when attempting to contact www.google.com I get a similar message for any web site I try to access on the Internet side of my router. I'm typing this message on another machine that is able to get through the router. This hasn't happened before. I used to be able to browse with the laptop. Any ideas where I should start looking for the problem? -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From jelque at feather.net Sat Apr 6 21:57:09 2002 From: jelque at feather.net (Jeff Blain) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 15:57:09 -0600 Subject: [PLUG] Browser won't browse In-Reply-To: <3CAF69CD.D6941B59@attbi.com> References: <3CAF69CD.D6941B59@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020406215709.GA32489@blain.org> On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 01:34:05PM -0800, Richard Steffens wrote: > I haven't used my laptop for a few weeks. I just plugged it in, turned > it on, booted RH 7.1, started up Mozilla, and tried to browse the > Internet. I can see my other Linux machine's web server, but can't get > out on the Internet. I get the message, > > The connection was refused when attempting to contact www.google.com > > I get a similar message for any web site I try to access on the Internet > side of my router. I'm typing this message on another machine that is > able to get through the router. > > This hasn't happened before. I used to be able to browse with the > laptop. Any ideas where I should start looking for the problem? > Run /sbin/ifconfig eth0 at the command line and make sure you have an ip address. Also try to ping an ip address outside your lan. Check your /etc/resolv.conf and make sure your DNS servers are listed. Jeff From rsteff at attbi.com Sat Apr 6 22:31:44 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 14:31:44 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Browser won't browse References: <3CAF69CD.D6941B59@attbi.com> <20020406215709.GA32489@blain.org> Message-ID: <3CAF774F.2211CFD6@attbi.com> Thanks for the reply. Jeff Blain wrote: > Run /sbin/ifconfig eth0 at the command line and make sure you have an ip > address. 192.168.0.253 on my laptop, 192.168.0.254 on my server. > Also try to ping an ip address outside your lan. When I try to run ping from my laptop I get this message: connect: Network is unreachable > Check your > /etc/resolv.conf and make sure your DNS servers are listed. Both the laptop and the server have the same contents: search steffensfamily.com nameserver 192.168.0.1 steffensfamily.com is what someone else on this list recommended. There is no such thing, as far as I know. 192.168.0.1 is my router. It works fine for the other machines in the house. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From jeme at brelin.net Sat Apr 6 22:38:15 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 14:38:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Browser won't browse In-Reply-To: <3CAF774F.2211CFD6@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Richard Steffens wrote: > > Also try to ping an ip address outside your lan. > When I try to run ping from my laptop I get this message: > connect: Network is unreachable > > > Check your > > /etc/resolv.conf and make sure your DNS servers are listed. > Both the laptop and the server have the same contents: > > search steffensfamily.com > nameserver 192.168.0.1 > > steffensfamily.com is what someone else on this list recommended. > There is no such thing, as far as I know. Yeah, you don't need that line unless your local network is configured in such a way that your machines believe they are in that domain and it's used in the hosts files or local DNS. > 192.168.0.1 is my router. It works fine for the other machines in the > house. Did you check to see that the system has a route to the outside world? `route -n` should look something, if not exactly, like this: Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 Sounds to me like you've got the first route for the localnet, but not the second, for a gateway out. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sat Apr 6 23:19:32 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 15:19:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Browser won't browse In-Reply-To: <3CAF774F.2211CFD6@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Richard Steffens wrote: > > Run /sbin/ifconfig eth0 at the command line and make sure you have an ip > > address. > > 192.168.0.253 on my laptop, 192.168.0.254 on my server. Richard, What do you see when you run /sbin/ifconfig eth0? It should be something like this: [rshepard at salmo ~]$ /sbin/ifconfig eth0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:40:05:42:B6:04 inet addr:192.168.55.1 Bcast:192.168.55.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:343487706 errors:0 dropped:150 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:233177892 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:19096982 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:10 Base address:0xe400 If this doesn't come up then eth0 is not running. In that case, try running `/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart'. My notebook (a Toshiba Portege 3025CT) stopped loading the network upon boot after a while. So, I put the command in /etc/rc.d/rc.local/ to make sure I have a network connection when I boot the tyke. Looks from here as though you don't have the network modules running on your laptop. > > Also try to ping an ip address outside your lan. > > When I try to run ping from my laptop I get this message: > > connect: Network is unreachable Restart it. > > Check your > > /etc/resolv.conf and make sure your DNS servers are listed. > > Both the laptop and the server have the same contents: > > search steffensfamily.com > nameserver 192.168.0.1 It may be different with a cable connection than with my DSL line, but here /etc/resolve.conf contains the primary and secondary DNS servers for my ISP. HTH, Rich From rsteff at attbi.com Sun Apr 7 00:32:14 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 16:32:14 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Browser won't browse References: Message-ID: <3CAF938E.D945201@attbi.com> Jeme A Brelin wrote: > Did you check to see that the system has a route to the outside world? > > `route -n` should look something, if not exactly, like this: > > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 > 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 > > Sounds to me like you've got the first route for the localnet, but not the > second, for a gateway out. This looks promising. Here's what I have: Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo Looks like a bit of configuration is wrong. What do I change to affect the second line? -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From m at netpro.to Sun Apr 7 00:37:47 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 16:37:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Browser won't browse In-Reply-To: <3CAF938E.D945201@attbi.com> Message-ID: The second line is fine. Type this to set your gateway: route add default gw 192.168.0.1 On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Richard Steffens wrote: > Jeme A Brelin wrote: > > > Did you check to see that the system has a route to the outside world? > > > > `route -n` should look something, if not exactly, like this: > > > > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > > 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 > > 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 > > > > Sounds to me like you've got the first route for the localnet, but not the > > second, for a gateway out. > > This looks promising. Here's what I have: > > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 > 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo > > Looks like a bit of configuration is wrong. What do I change to affect > the second line? > > -- > Regards, > > Dick Steffens > "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" > http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From rsteff at attbi.com Sun Apr 7 00:40:34 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 16:40:34 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Browser won't browse References: Message-ID: <3CAF9582.1D051842@attbi.com> Rich Shepard wrote: > What do you see when you run /sbin/ifconfig eth0? eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:86:3E:B6:C3 inet addr:192.168.0.253 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Netric:1 RX packets:500 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:105 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:3 Base address:0x300 > If this doesn't come up then eth0 is not running. In that case, try > running `/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart'. eth0 is running; I can communicate with the other machines in the house. > My notebook (a Toshiba Portege 3025CT) stopped loading the network upon > boot after a while. So, I put the command in /etc/rc.d/rc.local/ to make > sure I have a network connection when I boot the tyke. Looks from here as > though you don't have the network modules running on your laptop. > > connect: Network is unreachable > > Restart it. Doesn't make any difference. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From jeme at brelin.net Sun Apr 7 01:03:00 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 17:03:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] Browser won't browse In-Reply-To: <3CAF938E.D945201@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Richard Steffens wrote: > > `route -n` should look something, if not exactly, like this: > > > > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > > 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 > > 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 > > This looks promising. Here's what I have: > > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 > 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo > > Looks like a bit of configuration is wrong. What do I change to affect > the second line? Your second line is fine, that's just a route to the loopback device. You need a NEW line that signifies a route to the outside world. You can do this manually by adding a route as route. The syntax is as follows: route add default gw 192.168.0.1 After adding that route, you'll have the following output from route -n: Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From rsteff at attbi.com Sun Apr 7 01:17:27 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 17:17:27 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Resolved - Browser won't browse References: Message-ID: <3CAF9E26.B711DD43@attbi.com> Matt Alexander wrote: > The second line is fine. Type this to set your gateway: > > route add default gw 192.168.0.1 That helps. Now I get: Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 and I can browse the Internet. But, if I restart the network, the third line is no longer there. However, this did suggest a place to look. I logged out and logged back in as root and looked in the Gnome menus for something with which to set configurations -- I didn't remember what it was called. I found LinuxConf and sure enough, there was a place to put the Gateway, and it was empty. I put 192.168.0.1 into that field. Everything works as expected. Plus, now that I remember what it's called, I can su and run /sbin/linuxconf without logging out and logging back in as root. Thanks to all for your assistance. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From cccs at teleport.com Sun Apr 7 01:40:37 2002 From: cccs at teleport.com (Rick Konold) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 17:40:37 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Resolved - Browser won't browse In-Reply-To: <3CAF9E26.B711DD43@attbi.com> References: <3CAF9E26.B711DD43@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Saturday 06 April 2002 17:17, you hammered the keyboard to write: > and I can browse the Internet. But, if I restart the network, the third > line is no longer there. However, this did suggest a place to look. I > logged out and logged back in as root and looked in the Gnome menus for > something with which to set configurations -- I didn't remember what it > was called. I found LinuxConf and sure enough, there was a place to put > the Gateway, and it was empty. I put 192.168.0.1 into that field. > Everything works as expected. Plus, now that I remember what it's > called, I can su and run /sbin/linuxconf without logging out and logging > back in as root. > > Thanks to all for your assistance. Does LinuxConf still maintain it's own database of what is in the file? I think I had some problem with that a while back. When I would hand edit a file, then later use LinuxConf, it would not know about the editing I did by hand and write the file from it's database without my hand edited changes. That is why I only hand edit now. Does it still do that? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Rick Konold ~~ Linux Advocate In a world without fences we don't need Gates. This message brought to you by KMail on Linux RedHat 7.2 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Sun Apr 7 04:08:59 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 20:08:59 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem Message-ID: I finally bought the "Samba for Dummies" book today as the resources on the web assume I have a degree in networking (in which case I wouldn't need the them -c22). So finally I am geting somewhere...well... Samba appears to my newbie understanding to be up and running now, but if I type " smbstatus " it says: Failed to open byte range locking database ERROR: Failed to initialise locking database Can't initialise locking module - exiting Now what to I do? Also, is there any way to cut and paste text from the shell window to knode or a word processor so I don't have to type all my error messages? Thanks Robert From mikedela at ipns.com Sun Apr 7 05:26:28 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:26:28 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Resolved - Browser won't browse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c1ddf4$c6b20a00$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> netcfg works great and it edits the actual files, no separate weirdness that comes with linuxconf. I'll never use it again. ___________________ Mike De La Mater mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Rick Konold > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 5:41 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Resolved - Browser won't browse > > > On Saturday 06 April 2002 17:17, you hammered the keyboard to write: > > and I can browse the Internet. But, if I restart the > network, the third > > line is no longer there. However, this did suggest a place > to look. I > > logged out and logged back in as root and looked in the > Gnome menus for > > something with which to set configurations -- I didn't > remember what it > > was called. I found LinuxConf and sure enough, there was a > place to put > > the Gateway, and it was empty. I put 192.168.0.1 into that field. > > Everything works as expected. Plus, now that I remember what it's > > called, I can su and run /sbin/linuxconf without logging > out and logging > > back in as root. > > > > Thanks to all for your assistance. > > Does LinuxConf still maintain it's own database of what is in > the file? I > think I had some problem with that a while back. When I > would hand edit a > file, then later use LinuxConf, it would not know about the > editing I did by > hand and write the file from it's database without my hand > edited changes. > That is why I only hand edit now. Does it still do that? > -- > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Rick Konold ~~ Linux Advocate > In a world without fences we don't need Gates. > This message brought to you by KMail on Linux RedHat 7.2 > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From mikedela at ipns.com Sun Apr 7 05:34:56 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:34:56 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c1ddf5$f4827180$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> I'm not sure what distro you're running, but on my RedHat systems I can run: /etc/rc.d/init.d/smb restart When I run that, I can get more details about how it's doing. What version of Windows are you running? There are encrypted passwords issues with Win95. I use Kmail for my error message posts whan I can, crtl-c and crtl-v work for cutting and pasting from within terminal windows and Kmail. There's a couple of GUIs for smaba, the one I like is called gnosamba. ___________________ Mike De La Mater www.theplatinumrule.com PC repairs, Network Consulting, Web Services, etc. 25 years experience mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 //// (0 0) ooO (_) Ooo -=-=-=-=-=- Effective Computer Services -=-=-=-=-=- (_) (_) > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Robert > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 8:09 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem > > > I finally bought the "Samba for Dummies" book today as the > resources on the > web assume I have a degree in networking (in which case I > wouldn't need the > them -c22). So finally I am geting somewhere...well... > > Samba appears to my newbie understanding to be up and running > now, but if I > type " smbstatus " it says: > > Failed to open byte range locking database > ERROR: Failed to initialise locking database > Can't initialise locking module - exiting > > Now what to I do? > > Also, is there any way to cut and paste text from the shell > window to knode > or a word processor so I don't have to type all my error messages? > > Thanks > Robert > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From cccs at teleport.com Sun Apr 7 05:31:03 2002 From: cccs at teleport.com (Rick Konold) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:31:03 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Saturday 06 April 2002 20:08, you hammered the keyboard to write: > I finally bought the "Samba for Dummies" book today as the resources on the > web assume I have a degree in networking (in which case I wouldn't need the > them -c22). So finally I am geting somewhere...well... > > Samba appears to my newbie understanding to be up and running now, but if I > type " smbstatus " it says: It has been a while since I set up Samba, but I think you have to type smbd and nmbd at the command line to start Samba. You may have to use /sbin/smbd and /sbin/nmbd if it is not in your path. If you have not added it to your init scripts to start automatically, you will have to do it each time you boot the machine. > > Failed to open byte range locking database > ERROR: Failed to initialise locking database > Can't initialise locking module - exiting > > Now what to I do? I don't know what that error is, I have never seen it. You might try it on google.com to see if it gives you any answers > > Also, is there any way to cut and paste text from the shell window to knode > or a word processor so I don't have to type all my error messages? With many terminals you just highlight the text with your left mouse button, then go to an editor and click with the third button if you have one, or with both the left and right buttons simultaneously. that should paste the text into an editor. > > Thanks > Robert > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From cccs at teleport.com Sun Apr 7 05:38:27 2002 From: cccs at teleport.com (Rick Konold) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:38:27 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Saturday 06 April 2002 21:31, you hammered the keyboard to write: > On Saturday 06 April 2002 20:08, you hammered the keyboard to write: > > I finally bought the "Samba for Dummies" book today as the resources on > > the web assume I have a degree in networking (in which case I wouldn't > > need the them -c22). So finally I am geting somewhere...well... > > > > Samba appears to my newbie understanding to be up and running now, but if > > I type " smbstatus " it says: > > It has been a while since I set up Samba, but I think you have to type smbd > and nmbd at the command line to start Samba. You may have to use > /sbin/smbd and /sbin/nmbd if it is not in your path. If you have not added > it to your init scripts to start automatically, you will have to do it each > time you boot the machine. Oops, just as I sent that I remembered it is /usr/sbin/smbd and nmbd. And I think you have to be the root user. > > > Failed to open byte range locking database > > ERROR: Failed to initialise locking database > > Can't initialise locking module - exiting > > > > Now what to I do? > > I don't know what that error is, I have never seen it. You might try it on > google.com to see if it gives you any answers > > > Also, is there any way to cut and paste text from the shell window to > > knode or a word processor so I don't have to type all my error messages? > > With many terminals you just highlight the text with your left mouse > button, then go to an editor and click with the third button if you have > one, or with both the left and right buttons simultaneously. that should > paste the text into an editor. > > > Thanks > > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From cccs at teleport.com Sun Apr 7 05:52:06 2002 From: cccs at teleport.com (Rick Konold) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:52:06 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Saturday 06 April 2002 20:08, you hammered the keyboard to write: > I finally bought the "Samba for Dummies" book today as the resources on the > web assume I have a degree in networking (in which case I wouldn't need the > them -c22). So finally I am geting somewhere...well... > > Samba appears to my newbie understanding to be up and running now, but if I > type " smbstatus " it says: > > Failed to open byte range locking database > ERROR: Failed to initialise locking database > Can't initialise locking module - exiting I took a look at the smbstatus command, and it appears to only tell you what ACTIVE connections you have. If you are not connected via smbclient to some directory on the other end, it will not be doing any file locking, and will not report any active user. This may explain your error if you are just checking smbstatus without any active client connected. > Now what to I do? > > Also, is there any way to cut and paste text from the shell window to knode > or a word processor so I don't have to type all my error messages? > > Thanks > Robert > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From pluglist at bratgrrl.com Sun Apr 7 06:13:14 2002 From: pluglist at bratgrrl.com (Carla Schroder) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 22:13:14 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Vertical Select!!! In-Reply-To: <000901c1ddf4$c6b20a00$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> References: <000901c1ddf4$c6b20a00$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> Message-ID: <200204070559.g375xcN17721@smtp.easystreet.com> Kate, the advanced KDE text editor, does Vertical Select! Now is that cool or what! Someone will doubtless explain in a bored voice Oh, Vi and Emacs and other Unix editors have done that for like forever. Whatever- I think it's cool. Doesn't take much to make me happy. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carla Schroder, ace PC goddess Plain English spoken here www.bratgrrl.com this message brought to you by KMail, on Red Hat Linux 7.2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cccs at teleport.com Sun Apr 7 05:55:52 2002 From: cccs at teleport.com (Rick Konold) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:55:52 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Resolved - Browser won't browse In-Reply-To: <000901c1ddf4$c6b20a00$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> References: <000901c1ddf4$c6b20a00$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mike, I will have a look at netcfg. On Saturday 06 April 2002 21:26, you hammered the keyboard to write: > netcfg works great and it edits the actual files, no separate weirdness > that comes with linuxconf. I'll never use it again. > > ___________________ > Mike De La Mater > mikedela at ipns.com > 503-702-6749 > > Does LinuxConf still maintain it's own database of what is in > > the file? I > > think I had some problem with that a while back. When I > > would hand edit a > > file, then later use LinuxConf, it would not know about the > > editing I did by > > hand and write the file from it's database without my hand > > edited changes. > > That is why I only hand edit now. Does it still do that? > > -- > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > Rick Konold ~~ Linux Advocate > > In a world without fences we don't need Gates. > > This message brought to you by KMail on Linux RedHat 7.2 > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From cccs at teleport.com Sun Apr 7 06:08:01 2002 From: cccs at teleport.com (Rick Konold) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 22:08:01 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Vertical Select!!! In-Reply-To: <200204070559.g375xcN17721@smtp.easystreet.com> References: <000901c1ddf4$c6b20a00$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> <200204070559.g375xcN17721@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: You forgot to mention you had to go to settings to turn it on, but yes, that is cool. On Saturday 06 April 2002 22:13, you hammered the keyboard to write: > Kate, the advanced KDE text editor, does Vertical Select! Now is that cool > or what! > > Someone will doubtless explain in a bored voice Oh, Vi and Emacs and other > Unix editors have done that for like forever. > > Whatever- I think it's cool. Doesn't take much to make me happy. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Rick Konold ~~ Linux Advocate In a world without fences we don't need Gates. This message brought to you by KMail on Linux RedHat 7.2 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From kens at cad2cam.com Sun Apr 7 18:24:43 2002 From: kens at cad2cam.com (Kenneth G. Stephens) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:24:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Resolved - Browser won't browse In-Reply-To: <3CAF9E26.B711DD43@attbi.com> Message-ID: If you are running a RedHat distro, then the GATEWAY statement should be placed in the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 file. This will create the gateway, default route at bootup, or whenever you up the eth0 device. Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Richard Steffens > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 5:17 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Resolved - Browser won't browse > > > Matt Alexander wrote: > > > The second line is fine. Type this to set your gateway: > > > > route add default gw 192.168.0.1 > > That helps. Now I get: > > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 > 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo > 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 > > and I can browse the Internet. But, if I restart the network, the third > line is no longer there. However, this did suggest a place to look. I > logged out and logged back in as root and looked in the Gnome menus for > something with which to set configurations -- I didn't remember what it > was called. I found LinuxConf and sure enough, there was a place to put > the Gateway, and it was empty. I put 192.168.0.1 into that field. > Everything works as expected. Plus, now that I remember what it's > called, I can su and run /sbin/linuxconf without logging out and logging > back in as root. > > Thanks to all for your assistance. > > -- > Regards, > > Dick Steffens > "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" > http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From rsteff at attbi.com Sun Apr 7 20:51:23 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 13:51:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem References: Message-ID: <3CB0B14B.499103A@attbi.com> Rick Konold wrote: > > Also, is there any way to cut and paste text from the shell window to knode > > or a word processor so I don't have to type all my error messages? > > With many terminals you just highlight the text with your left mouse button, > then go to an editor and click with the third button if you have one, or with > both the left and right buttons simultaneously. that should paste the text > into an editor. Another way is to redirect the output of the command you type in the shell window to a file. For example, smbstatus > statusfile will put the text that would have been sent to the shell window into the file named statusfile. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From mike at computer-arts.net Sun Apr 7 22:24:24 2002 From: mike at computer-arts.net (Mike Witt) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 15:24:24 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] up2date warning on up2date.rpm Message-ID: <3CB0C718.ECE625C0@computer-arts.net> When running the RedHad "up2date" I get the warning: /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date created as /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date.rpmnew I assume that this has something to do with the fact the up2date us running and so special handling is required for the up2date rpm. Does this mean that the new up2date has not been installed and I should do that by hand? Or does it mean something else? -Mike From kens at cad2cam.com Sun Apr 7 22:33:27 2002 From: kens at cad2cam.com (Kenneth G. Stephens) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:33:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] up2date warning on up2date.rpm In-Reply-To: <3CB0C718.ECE625C0@computer-arts.net> Message-ID: Easy thing to do is diff up2date up2date.rpmnew and see the differences. These are configuration files that rpm wants to install. It is trying to be nice and not stomp on your current configuration. Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Witt > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 3:24 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: [PLUG] up2date warning on up2date.rpm > > > When running the RedHad "up2date" I get the warning: > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date created as /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date.rpmnew > > I assume that this has something to do with the fact the up2date > us running and so special handling is required for the up2date rpm. > Does this mean that the new up2date has not been installed and I > should do that by hand? Or does it mean something else? > > -Mike > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From jon at manymoons.net Sun Apr 7 23:11:43 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: 07 Apr 2002 16:11:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Dual Processors Message-ID: <1018221104.1510.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> If I had two processors on my machine, do they have to be the same speed? I have a PII 400 and just found a PII 350. How much of a speed boost will I get from adding the 350? Is this even worth going out and buying a bigger power source? From sandy at herring.org Sun Apr 7 23:31:43 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:31:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Dual Processors In-Reply-To: <1018221104.1510.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net>; from jon@manymoons.net on Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 04:11:43PM -0700 References: <1018221104.1510.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <20020407163143.J16750@kippered.herring.org> Jon, I can't say for sure, but I suspect you don't want to try it based on my 2P experience. I'm running a Pentium Pro 200 w/2 processors. The ones which came with the box were a different stepping, and I was catching all kinds of exceptions. I replaced them with a matched set ($50 new!) and have had no more problems. Sandy On Sun, 07 Apr 2002, Jon Jacob wrote: > If I had two processors on my machine, do they have to be the same > speed? I have a PII 400 and just found a PII 350. How much of a speed > boost will I get from adding the 350? Is this even worth going out and > buying a bigger power source? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave at pakled.mmcc.cx Mon Apr 8 00:01:08 2002 From: dave at pakled.mmcc.cx (Dave) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 17:01:08 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Dual Processors References: <1018221104.1510.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <20020407163143.J16750@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: <3CB0DDC4.7010400@pakled.mmcc.cx> Rarely does SMP work with different-speed processors. In fact, from what I understand, it doesn't work at all. You might be able to get around the problem by underclocking your 400 (or overclocking your 350, though not reccomended) so they match. But then, as Sandy pointed out, you might run into some stepping issues. Best use of a 350 would be to find yourself an board that supports it and build another system. ;) Sandy Herring wrote: > Jon, > > I can't say for sure, but I suspect you don't want to try it based on my 2P > experience. I'm running a Pentium Pro 200 w/2 processors. The ones which > came with the box were a different stepping, and I was catching all kinds of > exceptions. I replaced them with a matched set ($50 new!) and have had no > more problems. > > Sandy > > On Sun, 07 Apr 2002, Jon Jacob wrote: > >>If I had two processors on my machine, do they have to be the same >>speed? I have a PII 400 and just found a PII 350. How much of a speed >>boost will I get from adding the 350? Is this even worth going out and >>buying a bigger power source? -- -Dave dave at pakled.mmcc.cx From clifford at crestodina.com Mon Apr 8 00:02:23 2002 From: clifford at crestodina.com (clifford crestodina) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:02:23 -0500 Subject: [PLUG] Dual Processors In-Reply-To: <1018221104.1510.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <1018221104.1510.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <200204080002.g3802Ot08848@elysia.crestodina.com> On Sunday 07 April 2002 07:11 pm, you wrote: They have to be closer than than the same speed. They have to have the same stepping. You might also need a voltage regular. The motherboard should have the documentaiton required. Good luck. Clifford > If I had two processors on my machine, do they have to be the same > speed? I have a PII 400 and just found a PII 350. How much of a speed > boost will I get from adding the 350? Is this even worth going out and > buying a bigger power source? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 8 00:47:42 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] up2date warning on up2date.rpm In-Reply-To: <3CB0C718.ECE625C0@computer-arts.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Mike Witt wrote: > When running the RedHad "up2date" I get the warning: > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date created as /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date.rpmnew > > I assume that this has something to do with the fact the up2date us > running and so special handling is required for the up2date rpm. Does this > mean that the new up2date has not been installed and I should do that by > hand? Or does it mean something else? Mike, It means that the new version found an existing configuration script and did not overwrite it. You can visually compare the two, or use diff to tell you the differences. Red Hat -- and, perhaps, others -- is rather nice that way. It won't put the default config file in place and overwrite whatever you had before. It installs it with the .rpmnew extension and let's you know there may be changes you want to make. Rich From skullone at servuhome.net Mon Apr 8 01:32:25 2002 From: skullone at servuhome.net (Brent Jones) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 18:32:25 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Dual Processors References: <1018221104.1510.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <200204080002.g3802Ot08848@elysia.crestodina.com> Message-ID: <001901c1de9d$3cfba100$0b00000a@skullbox> Take a look at http://www.2cpu.com Its a pretty good resource for SMP systems. I've been an SMP user for a few years now, and I've found if I have any questions or problems, the people there in the forums most often provide good answers. Brent Jones brentj at servuhome.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "clifford crestodina" To: Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [PLUG] Dual Processors > On Sunday 07 April 2002 07:11 pm, you wrote: > They have to be closer than than the same speed. They have to have the same > stepping. You might also need a voltage regular. The motherboard should > have the documentaiton required. > > Good luck. > > Clifford > > > If I had two processors on my machine, do they have to be the same > > speed? I have a PII 400 and just found a PII 350. How much of a speed > > boost will I get from adding the 350? Is this even worth going out and > > buying a bigger power source? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From robbert at vafam.com Mon Apr 8 02:08:03 2002 From: robbert at vafam.com (Robbert van Andel) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:08:03 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ATT cable modem reccommendations In-Reply-To: <20020406051001.2F862C4C2F@dsl-209-162-216-78.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <000001c1dea2$383a5620$6400a8c0@main> What is a nat protocol? Just curious. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of dgc at easystreet.com Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:10 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] ATT cable modem reccommendations With AT&T BI, at least at the moment, there isn't a problem running nat, etc. The problem might come later, after Comcast's purchase of AT&T Broadband goes through. There were news stories in EE Times, etc. a couple of months ago about cable companies complaining that people using routers, nat protocols, etc. to connect multiple computers to one cable outlet were "stealing" service. They wanted everybody running more than one system to register them and pay an additional fee. AT&T was not part of that group. dgc > > > > You may be confusing AT&T's rule against running a server over their > > network with having your own private network that shares access to the > > Internet through their network. I don't think they care how many > > machines connect through their modem as long as the bandwidth consumed > > is reasonable. On the other hand, AT&T rewrites their rules from time to > > time, so what they are saying now may be different from what they said > > when I got started. Back then, when it was @home, they provided a web > > page or two that gave instructions on how to set up a home network. > > _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From kens at cad2cam.com Mon Apr 8 03:16:14 2002 From: kens at cad2cam.com (Kenneth G. Stephens) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 20:16:14 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ATT cable modem reccommendations In-Reply-To: <000001c1dea2$383a5620$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: NAT == network address translation or translators. Various NAT's are masquerading, port forwarding, and server pooling. Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Robbert van Andel > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 7:08 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: RE: [PLUG] ATT cable modem reccommendations > > > What is a nat protocol? Just curious. > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of dgc at easystreet.com > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:10 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] ATT cable modem reccommendations > > With AT&T BI, at least at the moment, there isn't a problem running nat, > etc. > The problem might come later, after Comcast's purchase of AT&T Broadband > goes > through. > > There were news stories in EE Times, etc. a couple of months ago about > cable > companies complaining that people using routers, nat protocols, etc. to > connect > multiple computers to one cable outlet were "stealing" service. They > wanted > everybody running more than one system to register them and pay an > additional > fee. > > AT&T was not part of that group. > > dgc > > > > > > > You may be confusing AT&T's rule against running a server over their > > > network with having your own private network that shares access to > the > > > Internet through their network. I don't think they care how many > > > machines connect through their modem as long as the bandwidth > consumed > > > is reasonable. On the other hand, AT&T rewrites their rules from > time to > > > time, so what they are saying now may be different from what they > said > > > when I got started. Back then, when it was @home, they provided a > web > > > page or two that gave instructions on how to set up a home network. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From greg at gregory.myftp.org Mon Apr 8 04:17:41 2002 From: greg at gregory.myftp.org (Greg Long) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 21:17:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] X FTP Client? Message-ID: <3CB119E5.10201@gregory.myftp.org> gFTP - blows. DeadFTP - crashes IglooFTP - pretty nice - but won't connect to all FTP servers - some strange authentication problem I'm not going to troubleshoot any longer - causes problems with no other FTP client. What else is everyone using that they prefer? ---Greg From russj at dimstar.net Mon Apr 8 04:22:34 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 21:22:34 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] X FTP Client? In-Reply-To: <3CB119E5.10201@gregory.myftp.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020407212217.02888670@mail.localnet.dimstar.net> It's not X, but I love ncftp. At 09:17 PM 4/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: >gFTP - blows. DeadFTP - crashes > >IglooFTP - pretty nice - but won't connect to all FTP servers - some >strange authentication problem I'm not going to troubleshoot any longer - >causes problems with no other FTP client. > >What else is everyone using that they prefer? > >---Greg > > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug Russ Johnson Stargate Online http://www.dimstar.net telnet://telnet.dimstar.net ICQ: 3739685 Generalization is always wrong From rddunlap at osdl.org Mon Apr 8 04:55:47 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (rddunlap at osdl.org) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] [FYI/OT] rearranged linux web pages Message-ID: my linux web pages are now at www.xenotime.net/linux/ -- ~Randy From wcooley at nakedape.cc Mon Apr 8 05:16:36 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 22:16:36 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Dual Processors In-Reply-To: <1018221104.1510.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net>; from jon@manymoons.net on Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 04:11:43PM -0700 References: <1018221104.1510.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <20020407221636.E5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Jon Jacob on Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 04:11:43PM PDT > If I had two processors on my machine, do they have to be the same > speed? I have a PII 400 and just found a PII 350. How much of a > speed boost will I get from adding the 350? Is this even worth going > out and buying a bigger power source? They have to be the same speed and should be the same "stepping" (sort of like a CPU revision number). Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rddunlap at osdl.org Mon Apr 8 05:19:59 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (rddunlap at osdl.org) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 22:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Dual Processors In-Reply-To: <20020407221636.E5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Wil Cooley wrote: | Also Sprach Jon Jacob on Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 04:11:43PM PDT | | > If I had two processors on my machine, do they have to be the same | > speed? I have a PII 400 and just found a PII 350. How much of a | > speed boost will I get from adding the 350? Is this even worth going | > out and buying a bigger power source? | | They have to be the same speed and should be the same "stepping" | (sort of like a CPU revision number). I agree, although there is an AMP (asymmetric MP) patch out there somewhere, if you are desprate to try it out. :) I have a dual-proc IBM intellistation 360 at work that has 2 P4's in it, same speed, but different steppings.... it works (so far). -- ~Randy From pcwren at msn.com Mon Apr 8 05:34:23 2002 From: pcwren at msn.com (Philip Wren) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 22:34:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] SOHO network card Message-ID: Hello all, I have some questions about the installation of a network card ( SOHOware SFa110a ) onto a machine running redhat 7.1. I have added the tulip driver for the network card no problem...on a compaq 4000 (166mhz) with a built in network card. I am trying to get it to see the second on...I know that I need to make an entry into the module.conf file but I have yet to get the machine to see and start the second (SOHO) card...any thoughts that might help me...thanx From lemming at attbi.com Mon Apr 8 14:52:45 2002 From: lemming at attbi.com (lemming at attbi.com) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 14:52:45 +0000 Subject: [PLUG] LOLL Message-ID: <20020408145246.NZSZ21252.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> The "Loads of Linux Links" looked like a useful resource. http://loll.sourceforge.net/ From ed at alcpress.com Mon Apr 8 15:21:52 2002 From: ed at alcpress.com (Ed Sawicki) Date: 08 Apr 2002 08:21:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Lexmark printer for free Message-ID: <1018279313.24192.6.camel@red> I have a Lexmark Optra R with the optional 500 sheet paper tray that I'm about to throw out because it needs a new developer unit (or something similar) that will cost $300. If you'd like it, let me know today, please. Ed From mikedela at ipns.com Mon Apr 8 16:00:00 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (mikedela) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:00:00 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Lexmark printer for free In-Reply-To: <1018279313.24192.6.camel@red> Message-ID: <000e01c1df16$70af5d60$020aa8c0@mike> Sounds like a nice printer when it's up and running. I'll be out and around Portland today. Call me and let's see if we can get together. ___________________ Mike De La Mater www.theplatinumrule.com mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Ed Sawicki Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:22 AM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] Lexmark printer for free I have a Lexmark Optra R with the optional 500 sheet paper tray that I'm about to throw out because it needs a new developer unit (or something similar) that will cost $300. If you'd like it, let me know today, please. Ed _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 8 16:16:43 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Spam legislation Needed Message-ID: The following e-mail was sent to my local state legislators. You can find your representative and legislator from the Oregon state web site. I urge you to send them the equivalent (or, the same e-mail for all I care) as we try to have Oregon join Washington in having a state law against spamming. Thanks, Rich ---------- Forwarded message ---------- John/Karen, I just learned that ORS 646.872 applies only to paper facsimilies sent to a fax machine that are unsolicited and continue despite requests to have them stopped. I've taken advantage of this law on a couple of aggressive fax spammers. The Direct Marketing Association maintains lists of those of us who opt out of receiving unsolicited paper mail and telemarketing calls. About twice a year I renew my desire to not receive unsolicited junk mail and telemarketing calls. Banks, insurance companies, utilities and other entities also allow me the opportunity to opt out of their sharing information about me with other business units or entities. This cuts down on those unsolicited (and unwanted) advertisements. Electronic mail (e-mail) spam is, so far, exempt from these laws. Many of these firms send Unsolicited Commercial E-mail (UCE, or spam) despite repeated attempts to have them stop. One of the most egregious violater of my privace and right to be left alone is a domain called 'optamail.com'. This is a part of THE HUMOR NETWORK LLC (owned by Eric Targan and with a registred address and phone number of 54 W. 39th Street, New York, NY 10018, Phone: 212-561-1956, Fax: 212-769-9060; Email: hostmaster at humornetwork.com). Calls to that telephone number are answered by machine and never returned; e-mails to that address do not generate a response. The ISP used by optamail.com is run by Applied Theory Communications, Inc. (125 Elwood Davis Road, Syracuse, NY 13212-4311, 315-453-2912, (FAX) 315-453-3052). A telephone call there resulted in their claim that optamail.com is not one of their customers. I urge you to modify Oregon's Statutes before the next scheduled legislative session in 2003 to close this gap. Perhaps ORS 646.872 can be modified to include electronic mail; perhaps a similar law can be passed by declaring an emergency and acting now. If you need substantiating documentation of this abuse, as well as other known spam factories, please let me know. I will arrange for abundant evidence to be provided to support such legislation. Thank you very much, Rich Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM) 2404 SW 22nd Street | Troutdale, OR 97060-1247 | U.S.A. + 1 503-667-4517 (voice) | + 1 503-667-8863 (fax) | rshepard at appl-ecosys.com http://www.appl-ecosys.com From montagne at boora.com Mon Apr 8 16:35:17 2002 From: montagne at boora.com (Michael Montagne) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:35:17 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] IP Masquerading Message-ID: <20020408163517.GB7641@boora.com> Planning on reformatting my Mandrake box using Debian Woody and using it as a firewall and IP Masquerading for my home network. Right now I'm using PMFirewall to manage all that stuff and since there is a .deb and I like the product, I'll continue. My question is, how to tell if IP Masquerading is enabled in the kernel? Or as a module available to be enabled as needed? It'd be best for me if the stock kernel from Debian has everything I need. I have several other installations I can check for that. Perhaps that PMFirewall .deb file will check that detail for me. -- Michael Montagne montagne at boora.com http://www.boora.com From drake_stuff at yahoo.com Mon Apr 8 16:38:31 2002 From: drake_stuff at yahoo.com (Ken Nowack) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020408163831.111.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> > > > > Failed to open byte range locking database > > ERROR: Failed to initialise locking database > > Can't initialise locking module - exiting > > I took a look at the smbstatus command, and it > appears to only tell you what > ACTIVE connections you have. If you are not > connected via smbclient to some > directory on the other end, it will not be doing any > file locking, and will > not report any active user. This may explain your > error if you are just > checking smbstatus without any active client > connected. > Mine reports like so when I have no active connections: Samba version 2.2.3a Service uid gid pid machine ---------------------------------------------- No locked files So whatever error that is, it isn't about a lack a clients :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From seniorr at aracnet.com Mon Apr 8 17:26:03 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 08 Apr 2002 10:26:03 -0700 Subject: plug-antispam needed (was Re: [PLUG] Spam legislation Needed) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86bscu3xw4.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Rich" == Rich Shepard writes: Rich> The following e-mail was sent to my local state Rich> legislators. You can find your representative and legislator Rich> from the Oregon state web site. I urge you to send them the Rich> equivalent (or, the same e-mail for all I care) as we try to Rich> have Oregon join Washington in having a state law against Rich> spamming. Couldn't we move this stuff off on to its own list? It is a persistent sub-topic that really isn't specific to PLUG, and ought to be shunted off to someplace that people really want to talk about it. I don't. Thanks! -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From greg at gregory.myftp.org Mon Apr 8 17:32:44 2002 From: greg at gregory.myftp.org (Greg Long) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 10:32:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Spam legislation Needed - Wish we could do the same for popups References: Message-ID: <3CB1D43C.4070209@gregory.myftp.org> How about popup ads? ALTHOUGH the following is on the Windows platform, it *IS* noteworthy because of the greater spam issue - and things like this for Linux may not be far behind. GAIN/Gator has a new one which is included with some installs, the DivX5 Pro bundle being one example. DivX is a fine product, but I wish they would use another advertiser supported method than GAIN. Gain installs as secretly as possible, and mannages to prefetch its ad-seeker when you load your broswer (usually IE on Win) and even bypasses the popup killer and ad blockers. There are no entries in Add/Remove Programs like a standard Winapp. with a little digging, I found the offender was GMT.EXE and killed every reference to it I could find. It seems to do the trick. Last night I did this on Savenow.exe - another one on my fiance's laptop, and now it won't boot - chokes at LILO (dual boot). I can't really attribute this to killing Savenow.exe but it does make a guy wonder. (incidentally I can't boot to Linux either, as I removed it days ago to free up HD space for her - my laptop arrives tomorrow and it will dual boot). ---Greg Rich Shepard wrote: > The following e-mail was sent to my local state legislators. You can find >your representative and legislator from the Oregon state web site. I urge >you to send them the equivalent (or, the same e-mail for all I care) as we >try to have Oregon join Washington in having a state law against spamming. > >Thanks, > >Rich > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >John/Karen, > > I just learned that ORS 646.872 applies only to paper facsimilies sent to >a fax machine that are unsolicited and continue despite requests to have >them stopped. I've taken advantage of this law on a couple of aggressive fax >spammers. > > The Direct Marketing Association maintains lists of those of us who opt >out of receiving unsolicited paper mail and telemarketing calls. About twice >a year I renew my desire to not receive unsolicited junk mail and >telemarketing calls. > > Banks, insurance companies, utilities and other entities also allow me the >opportunity to opt out of their sharing information about me with other >business units or entities. This cuts down on those unsolicited (and >unwanted) advertisements. > > Electronic mail (e-mail) spam is, so far, exempt from these laws. Many of >these firms send Unsolicited Commercial E-mail (UCE, or spam) despite >repeated attempts to have them stop. > > One of the most egregious violater of my privace and right to be left >alone is a domain called 'optamail.com'. This is a part of THE HUMOR NETWORK >LLC (owned by Eric Targan and with a registred address and phone number of >54 W. 39th Street, New York, NY 10018, Phone: 212-561-1956, Fax: >212-769-9060; Email: hostmaster at humornetwork.com). Calls to that telephone >number are answered by machine and never returned; e-mails to that address >do not generate a response. The ISP used by optamail.com is run by Applied >Theory Communications, Inc. (125 Elwood Davis Road, Syracuse, NY 13212-4311, >315-453-2912, (FAX) 315-453-3052). A telephone call there resulted in their >claim that optamail.com is not one of their customers. > > I urge you to modify Oregon's Statutes before the next scheduled >legislative session in 2003 to close this gap. Perhaps ORS 646.872 can be >modified to include electronic mail; perhaps a similar law can be passed by >declaring an emergency and acting now. > > If you need substantiating documentation of this abuse, as well as other >known spam factories, please let me know. I will arrange for abundant >evidence to be provided to support such legislation. > >Thank you very much, > >Rich > >Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President > > Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM) > 2404 SW 22nd Street | Troutdale, OR 97060-1247 | U.S.A. > + 1 503-667-4517 (voice) | + 1 503-667-8863 (fax) | rshepard at appl-ecosys.com > http://www.appl-ecosys.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > From judah at opusnet.com Mon Apr 8 17:35:35 2002 From: judah at opusnet.com (Aaron Baer) Date: 08 Apr 2002 10:35:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] IP Masquerading In-Reply-To: <20020408163517.GB7641@boora.com> References: <20020408163517.GB7641@boora.com> Message-ID: <1018287355.1406.4.camel@laptop> Check this section of your .config file in /usr/src/linux (or /usr/src/linux-2.4 depending) and make sure that they're either set as m for modules or y for compiled into the kernel. Use make menuconfig(config, xconfig) to edit this file or if you do it by hand make sure to run make oldconfig after saving your changes. # # IP: Netfilter Configuration # CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK=m CONFIG_IP_NF_FTP=m CONFIG_IP_NF_IRC=m CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_LIMIT=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_MAC=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_MARK=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_MULTIPORT=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_TOS=m # CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_AH_ESP is not set CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_LENGTH=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_TTL=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_TCPMSS=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_STATE=m CONFIG_IP_NF_FILTER=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_REJECT=m CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT=m CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT_NEEDED=y CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MASQUERADE=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_REDIRECT=m CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT_IRC=m CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT_FTP=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MANGLE=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_TOS=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MARK=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_LOG=m # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_ULOG is not set CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_TCPMSS=m # CONFIG_IP_NF_COMPAT_IPCHAINS is not set # CONFIG_IP_NF_COMPAT_IPFWADM is not set On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 09:35, Michael Montagne wrote: > Planning on reformatting my Mandrake box using Debian Woody and using it > as a firewall and IP Masquerading for my home network. Right now I'm > using PMFirewall to manage all that stuff and since there is a .deb and > I like the product, I'll continue. > My question is, how to tell if IP Masquerading is enabled in the kernel? > Or as a module available to be enabled as needed? It'd be best for me if > the stock kernel from Debian has everything I need. I have several > other installations I can check for that. > Perhaps that PMFirewall .deb file will check that detail for me. > > > -- > Michael Montagne -- ---- Aaron Baer judah at opusnet.com http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/ From cccs at teleport.com Mon Apr 8 17:02:20 2002 From: cccs at teleport.com (Rick Konold) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:02:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem In-Reply-To: <20020408163831.111.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020408163831.111.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Monday 08 April 2002 09:38, you hammered the keyboard to write: > > > Failed to open byte range locking database > > > ERROR: Failed to initialise locking database > > > Can't initialise locking module - exiting > > > > I took a look at the smbstatus command, and it > > appears to only tell you what > > ACTIVE connections you have. If you are not > > connected via smbclient to some > > directory on the other end, it will not be doing any > > file locking, and will > > not report any active user. This may explain your > > error if you are just > > checking smbstatus without any active client > > connected. > > Mine reports like so when I have no active > connections: > > Samba version 2.2.3a > Service uid gid pid machine > ---------------------------------------------- > > No locked files > > > So whatever error that is, it isn't about a lack a > clients :) Odd, when I do smbstatus on my Workstation running RH7.2 with samba 2.2.1a I get the same as you show above. When I do it on my Server running RH6.2 with samba 2.0.6-9, I get "couldn't open status file /var/lock/samba/STATUS..LCK". I checked /var/lock/samba and there is no such file there. Then I tried to compare /var/lock/samba on the RH7.2 workstation, and there is no such directory at all, the files are in different locations there. I don't know if this means different versions do things differently, or if there may be a problem with the setup on my server. [are they both saying there are no locked files in a different way?] Functionally they both work fine, and have for at least a year now. I use them both to browse and copy files with a W98 box on the network. Of course on a single user network, a lack of file locking may not cause problems. I will compare the smb.conf files later to see if there are any diff's. Thanks for pointing that out. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Rick Konold ~~ Linux Advocate In a world without fences we don't need Gates. This message brought to you by KMail on Linux RedHat 7.2 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 8 18:07:59 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Spam legislation Needed - Wish we could do the same for popups In-Reply-To: <3CB1D43C.4070209@gregory.myftp.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Greg Long wrote: > How about popup ads? Greg, et al.: I did not post my message to start a comment thread, but to invite those who wished to try to get legislation in Oregon to do something. My message was appended to make it easier. Russell is correct that this is not strictly a linux thread so discussion on this list may not be warranted. Of course, I welcome off-list comments (or flames, as you wish) if anyone has thoughts to share with me. Rich From derek at infotects.com Mon Apr 8 18:34:55 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:34:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Dual Processors References: <1018221104.1510.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <20020407163143.J16750@kippered.herring.org> <3CB0DDC4.7010400@pakled.mmcc.cx> Message-ID: <3CB1E2CF.5706CE12@infotects.com> Dave wrote: > Rarely does SMP work with different-speed processors. In fact, from > what I understand, it doesn't work at all. It takes a very special motherboard, with independant chipsets. Definetely not cost effective. > You might be able to get > around the problem by underclocking your 400 (or overclocking your 350, > though not reccomended) so they match. Not possible, the multipliers are locked, and the bus speed has to be the same, using a common chipset. > But then, as Sandy pointed out, > you might run into some stepping issues. > > Best use of a 350 would be to find yourself an board that supports it > and build another system. ;) > Good Luck Derek Loree From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Mon Apr 8 18:37:22 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:37:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Inspiron 2600 Message-ID: <20020408113722.A28142@dalsemi.com> After years of battling X and PCMCIA on my laptop, I'm thinking about upgrading to a newer one. A Dell Inspiron 2600 looks like it matches my needs almost exactly, but there are no entries for it on the linux-on-laptops site. Do any of you have experience putting Linux (preferably Red Hat) on that particular model, or know if the 2600 is close to any of the other models for comparison? Colin From mikedela at ipns.com Mon Apr 8 18:51:12 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (mike delamater) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Lexmark printer for free In-Reply-To: <1018279313.24192.6.camel@red> References: <1018279313.24192.6.camel@red> Message-ID: <12168.64.122.13.48.1018291872.squirrel@mailman.ipns.com> I'm looking at my last message to Ed, and I didn't say that I'd actually take the printer.... One more unclear e-mail from me. Ed- Consider it gone if you're still looking for a taker. Mike 503-702-6749 > > I have a Lexmark Optra R with the optional 500 sheet paper tray that > I'm about to throw out because it needs a new developer unit (or > something similar) that will cost $300. If you'd like it, let me know > today, please. > > Ed > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From derek at infotects.com Mon Apr 8 18:56:12 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:56:12 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] error compiling gnomemeeting References: <3CAC9426.76573263@infotects.com> Message-ID: <3CB1E7CC.5491FC65@infotects.com> Derek Loree wrote: > Hi all, > > I have downloaded the source code for a program called > gnomemeeting (looks and acts like M$ Netmeeting). I've > followed all the directions, set up the libraries, compiled > all the stuff that it depends on (openH323 and pwlib) and > got configure to run without any errors. The error happens > during the make process. [snip] I thought some of you might like to know that it is possible to compile gnomemeeting from the source on the web site. The problem I had was with older versions of the two libraries that come with the gnomemeeting source. The first one I had identified last week, openH323. The other library comes from the web site as pwlib, but there is no debian package called pwlib. However, by looking at the dependancies of the packaged version of gnomemeeting I was able to determine (by trial and error) that the package name was libpt. Once I removed both of those packages, gnomemeeting finished compiling, installed without a hitch and now runs. Unfortunately, it is still very limited in what it can do, but at least it runs! Thanks for the help Derek Loree From mkmcconn at teleport.com Mon Apr 8 21:26:40 2002 From: mkmcconn at teleport.com (Mark McConnell) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:26:40 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] vinum size on disk Message-ID: <3CB1A8A0.4198.6A49367@localhost> Since February, I've been experimenting with FreeBSD's volume manager, called vinum. http://www.vinumvm.org/ When I create files on this volume, and share it to a Samba network, I've found that Windows 2000 reports a very large discrepency between the size of the file and the size on the disk. For example: Size: 273 KB (280,542 bytes) Size on disk: 8.00 MB (8,388,608 bytes) I don't know where that "8.00 MB" comes from. I can't find a similar number looking at the same file from the localhost. I've created several different configurations. And, I've observed the same issue under each type of organization. The figures above are what I see when reading a file on a 375GB RAID5 volume, constructed from four 115 GB IDE drives, on a Promise Ultra100 TX2 card, mounted for sharing on a Samba network. Currently Running FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE Windows 2000 does not have similar problems when reading Samba shares to normal volumes. What am I looking at? Is this a problem with Windows 2000? Have I set up my vinum volume incorrectly? Below are my file system preferences. Have I mis-set something? tunefs: soft updates: (-n) enabled tunefs: maximum contiguous block count: (-a) 15 tunefs: rotational delay between contiguous blocks: (-d) 0 ms tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 2048 tunefs: average file size: (-f) 16384 tunefs: average number of files in a directory: (-s) 64 tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 8% tunefs: optimization preference: (-o) time Can I safely ignore this? Mark McConnell -- From Patrick.Leckey at xist.com Mon Apr 8 22:26:47 2002 From: Patrick.Leckey at xist.com (Patrick Leckey) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:26:47 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] Inspiron 2600 In-Reply-To: <20020408113722.A28142@dalsemi.com> References: <20020408113722.A28142@dalsemi.com> Message-ID: <20020408182646.A4192@melvin.leckey.net> I actually have a 2600 running, currently SuSE, but it did start with RedHat on it. Everything was autodeteced by both RedHat and SuSE except the on-board sound, which was easily taken care of by installing the ALSA project drivers. They are very, very nice laptops. I love my book, and it is rarely more than 25 feet from me at any time. 802.11 is good. :) Pat. On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:37:22AM -0700, Colin Kuskie wrote: > After years of battling X and PCMCIA on my laptop, I'm thinking about > upgrading to a newer one. A Dell Inspiron 2600 looks like it matches > my needs almost exactly, but there are no entries for it on the > linux-on-laptops site. > > Do any of you have experience putting Linux (preferably Red Hat) on > that particular model, or know if the 2600 is close to any of the other > models for comparison? > > Colin > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey at xist.com] XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 From Patrick.Leckey at xist.com Mon Apr 8 22:29:07 2002 From: Patrick.Leckey at xist.com (Patrick Leckey) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:29:07 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] [OT] Cooper Mini Message-ID: <20020408182907.B4192@melvin.leckey.net> This is very, VERY OT, but it's been really bugging me so I'm trying to ask everyone I can, because nobody I have asked yet can answer me. On the commercials for the new Cooper Mini, the theme song (" ... my money's on the little guy ... "), who sings that and what is the song name?!? God help me this is boggling me because I can't find it anywhere!! :) Somebody help put me at ease? Pat -- Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey at xist.com] XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 From jack at email.com Mon Apr 8 22:01:47 2002 From: jack at email.com (eyou321) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 06:01:47 +0800 Subject: [PLUG] ADV:Harvest lots of Target Email address quickly Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 8 22:42:15 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] ADV:Harvest lots of Target Email address quickly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, eyou321 wrote: > > > Perhaps doing something about Oregon statutes to discourage spam is not so far off topic for this list as was suggested this morning. Rich From russj at dimstar.net Mon Apr 8 22:49:59 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 15:49:59 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ADV:Harvest lots of Target Email address quickly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408154859.00b8fc78@localhost> Can I scream now, or should I wait? At 06:01 AM 4/9/2002 +0800, you wrote:Disclaimer: >We are strongly against continuously sending unsolicited emails to those >who do not wish to receive our special mailings. We have attained the >services of an independent 3rd party to overlook list management and >removal services. This is not unsolicited email. If you do not wish to >receive further mailings, please click this link >http://www.autoemailremoval.com/cgi-bin/remove.pl . Auto Email Removal >Company. Ref# 01222263545 >This message is a commercial advertisement. It is compliant with all >federal and state laws regarding email messages including the California >Business and Professions Code. We have provided the subject line "ADV" to >provide you notification that this is a commercial advertisement for >persons over 18yrs old. > Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net In Alaska, where it gets very cold, pi is only 3.00. As you know, everything shrinks in the cold. They call it Eskimo pi. From don at truedisk.com Mon Apr 8 22:51:28 2002 From: don at truedisk.com (Don Buchholz) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 15:51:28 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ADV:Harvest lots of Target Email address quickly References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408154859.00b8fc78@localhost> Message-ID: <3CB21EF0.1EF231BD@truedisk.com> Perhaps the list manager can block messages where the subject begins with "ADV"? - Don Russ Johnson wrote: > > Can I scream now, or should I wait? > > At 06:01 AM 4/9/2002 +0800, you wrote:Disclaimer: > >We are strongly against continuously sending unsolicited emails to those > >who do not wish to receive our special mailings. We have attained the > >services of an independent 3rd party to overlook list management and > >removal services. This is not unsolicited email. If you do not wish to > >receive further mailings, please click this link > >http://www.autoemailremoval.com/cgi-bin/remove.pl . Auto Email Removal > >Company. Ref# 01222263545 > >This message is a commercial advertisement. It is compliant with all > >federal and state laws regarding email messages including the California > >Business and Professions Code. We have provided the subject line "ADV" to > >provide you notification that this is a commercial advertisement for > >persons over 18yrs old. > > > > Russ Johnson > http://www.dimstar.net > -- - Don Buchholz - TrueDisk, 7431 NW Evergreen Pkwy - #110, Hillsboro, OR 97124 - voice: 503/615-0888 x266 FAX: 503/693-0873 From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 8 23:05:40 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] ADV:Harvest lots of Target Email address quickly In-Reply-To: <3CB21EF0.1EF231BD@truedisk.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Don Buchholz wrote: > Perhaps the list manager can block messages where the subject > begins with "ADV"? Don, I had a procmail recipe that did this. Very effectively, too. It sent all notices of the Advanced PLUG group straight to /dev/null because many of their headers contained the string "ADV". Sigh, Rich From steve at wirex.net Mon Apr 8 23:38:34 2002 From: steve at wirex.net (Steve Beattie) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:38:34 -0700 Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [PLUG] ADV:Harvest lots of Target Email address quickly In-Reply-To: <3CB21EF0.1EF231BD@truedisk.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408154859.00b8fc78@localhost> <3CB21EF0.1EF231BD@truedisk.com> Message-ID: <20020408233832.GA14433@wirex.net> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 03:51:28PM -0700, Don Buchholz wrote: > SPAM: -------------------- Start SpamAssassin results ---------------------- > SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered > SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. > SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. > SPAM: > SPAM: Content analysis details: (16.5 hits, 5 required) > SPAM: Hit! (0.7 points) Subject: contains advertising tag > SPAM: Hit! (5.4 points) BODY: Claims auto-email removal > SPAM: Hit! (5.5 points) BODY: Claims to be legitimate email > SPAM: Hit! (4.9 points) BODY: URL of CGI script called "remove" > SPAM: > SPAM: -------------------- End of SpamAssassin results --------------------- > > > Perhaps the list manager can block messages where the subject > begins with "ADV"? If we really must rehash anti-spam techniques, can we please not quote the message. Don, because your client did not include a valid in-repy-to header, spam-assassin tagged your message (as well as the original) as spam, which procmail dumps in a (gzipped[1]) mailbox that I skim very infrequently. I highly recommend spam-assassin, it significantly reduces my spam load and its false positive rate is pretty infrequent (though I had to do a little fine-tuning to the scoring). It can also be tied in to Vipul's razor, which I have no experience using. Making the list open to posting from subscribers-only is another way to cut down on spam to the list -- mailman will hold mail from non-subscribers for list-owner approval. [1] The relevent procmail action is "| gzip >> spam.gz". Yes, mutiply appended gzipped archives result in a valid gzip file, and furthermore, mutt (with the compressed folders patch) will read/write a gzipped mailbox just fine, if a little more slowly. -- Steve Beattie Don't trust programmers? Complete StackGuard distro at http://NxNW.org/~steve/ immunix.org http://www.personaltelco.net -- overthrowing QWest, one block at a time. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At 04:38 PM 4/8/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I highly recommend spam-assassin, it significantly reduces my spam load >and its false positive rate is pretty infrequent (though I had to do a >little fine-tuning to the scoring). It can also be tied in to Vipul's >razor, which I have no experience using. Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net In Alaska, where it gets very cold, pi is only 3.00. As you know, everything shrinks in the cold. They call it Eskimo pi. From rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com Mon Apr 8 23:43:22 2002 From: rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:43:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Spamassassin Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463ADB8@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> > From: Russ Johnson [mailto:russj at dimstar.net] > If I understand what you are saying here, all of your mail (including > mailing lists) goes through spam-assassin. Does it catch spam > that looks like a valid mailing list? spamassassin is highly accurate. Actual spam is filtered, everything else passes. It's not perfect, but very, very close. I quit grinding my teeth after I started using it. -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From steve at wirex.net Tue Apr 9 00:06:35 2002 From: steve at wirex.net (Steve Beattie) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:06:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Spamassassin In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408163336.00bd1860@localhost> References: <3CB21EF0.1EF231BD@truedisk.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020408154859.00b8fc78@localhost> <3CB21EF0.1EF231BD@truedisk.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020408163336.00bd1860@localhost> Message-ID: <20020409000634.GA14623@wirex.net> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 04:36:49PM -0700, Russ Johnson wrote: > If I understand what you are saying here, all of your mail (including > mailing lists) goes through spam-assassin. That is correct. > Does it catch spam that looks like a valid mailing list? Nope, it catches messages to mailing lists that look like spam. :-) Most messages to mailing lists don't look like spam to spam-assassin, because it doesn't test whether the message is To: me directly, it tests for many other things, mostly having to do with message content. -- Steve Beattie Don't trust programmers? Complete StackGuard distro at http://NxNW.org/~steve/ immunix.org http://www.personaltelco.net -- overthrowing QWest, one block at a time. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Will it work when mail comes in via fetchmail rather than directly > to a local mail server? So far, I've not run my own mail server, but use > Aracnet's, and pull down mail every couple of minutes with fetchmail. I believe it should, though at WireX we run it on our central mail server, so it gets applied to my incoming email before it goes through fetchmail. > procmail's recipes frequently fail because the headers are apparently > modified by fetchmail and the recipes don't match. Very few of spam-assassin's rules are header based, and shouldn't be affected by fetchmail, but I can't rule out the possibility completely. However, spam-assassin does let you tweak it's scoring mechanism, so that if fetchmail does do certain things that trigger it you can reduce the score on those items. spam-assassin works by looking for a variety of things and assigning a score to each thing it finds. If the sum of the score goes over a (user-)configurable threshhold, spam-assassin marks the message as spam. -- Steve Beattie Don't trust programmers? Complete StackGuard distro at http://NxNW.org/~steve/ immunix.org http://www.personaltelco.net -- overthrowing QWest, one block at a time. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Tue Apr 9 00:10:20 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:10:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Kernel Module Question Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA755@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> I have been trying to solve a problem I have with the sound driver on my Redhat 7.2 PC. A search led me to this link: http://starwave.smartdesk.net/www/MrGreg/sound.html I have kernel source and headers installed from rpm from the OS install. I have updated the source code for the module from the link as it said on the note.txt file. The kernel I am using is the one that was installed by the OS install and there is no .config file. If I understand the documents correctly, I can get the same .config as the kernel I have installed by typing make oldconfig. Is that correct? If I then skip the kernel install and run make modules and make modules_install, run depmod -a, then reboot, I should be using the updated sound driver, correct? Is there any chance that I will screw up other modules needed and have an unstable or unbootable system? From rddunlap at osdl.org Tue Apr 9 00:15:02 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Kernel Module Question In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA755@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Craighead, Scot D wrote: | I have been trying to solve a problem I have with the sound driver on my | Redhat 7.2 PC. A search led me to this link: | | http://starwave.smartdesk.net/www/MrGreg/sound.html | | I have kernel source and headers installed from rpm from the OS install. I | have updated the source code for the module from the link as it said on the | note.txt file. The kernel I am using is the one that was installed by the | OS install and there is no .config file. If I understand the documents | correctly, I can get the same .config as the kernel I have installed by | typing make oldconfig. Is that correct? Not. There should be a .config file available in the RPM, SRPM, or /boot directory....somewhere. "make oldconfig" takes a .config file as input, applies its answers to the current kernel config options, and asks for input only on undefined config options. | If I then skip the kernel install | and run make modules and make modules_install, run depmod -a, then reboot, I | should be using the updated sound driver, correct? Is there any chance that | I will screw up other modules needed and have an unstable or unbootable | system? Low risk IMO. -- ~Randy From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 9 00:23:30 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [PLUG] ADV:Harvest lots of Target Email address quickly In-Reply-To: <20020409001703.GD8485@wirex.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Steve Beattie wrote: > Very few of spam-assassin's rules are header based, and shouldn't be > affected by fetchmail, but I can't rule out the possibility completely. > However, spam-assassin does let you tweak it's scoring mechanism, so > that if fetchmail does do certain things that trigger it you can reduce > the score on those items. spam-assassin works by looking for a variety > of things and assigning a score to each thing it finds. If the sum of > the score goes over a (user-)configurable threshhold, spam-assassin > marks the message as spam. Thanks, Steve. It's on my list of stuff to do. Rich From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Tue Apr 9 00:32:02 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:32:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Kernel Module Question Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA757@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> >| If I then skip the kernel install >| and run make modules and make modules_install, run depmod -a, then reboot, I >| should be using the updated sound driver, correct? Is there any chance that >| I will screw up other modules needed and have an unstable or unbootable >| system? > >Low risk IMO. > Thank you. That is the mail thing I was looking for. There is a directory called config under /usr/src/linux-2.4 with a bunch of config files by architecture. I have a pentiun II 433 MHz. Is that considered i686? Is there a place to check? From alan at clueserver.org Mon Apr 8 23:12:37 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:12:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Inspiron 2600 In-Reply-To: <20020408182646.A4192@melvin.leckey.net> References: <20020408113722.A28142@dalsemi.com> <20020408182646.A4192@melvin.leckey.net> Message-ID: <200204081612.38171.alan@clueserver.org> On Monday 08 April 2002 03:26 pm, Patrick Leckey wrote: > I actually have a 2600 running, currently SuSE, but it did start with > RedHat on it. Everything was autodeteced by both RedHat and SuSE except > the on-board sound, which was easily taken care of by installing the ALSA > project drivers. They are very, very nice laptops. I love my book, and > it is rarely more than 25 feet from me at any time. 802.11 is good. :) Especially for people running AirSnort. 802.11 encryption is *VERY* broken. > > Pat. > > On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:37:22AM -0700, Colin Kuskie wrote: > > After years of battling X and PCMCIA on my laptop, I'm thinking about > > upgrading to a newer one. A Dell Inspiron 2600 looks like it matches > > my needs almost exactly, but there are no entries for it on the > > linux-on-laptops site. > > > > Do any of you have experience putting Linux (preferably Red Hat) on > > that particular model, or know if the 2600 is close to any of the other > > models for comparison? > > > > Colin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From alan at clueserver.org Mon Apr 8 23:14:31 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:14:31 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Spamassassin In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408163336.00bd1860@localhost> References: <3CB21EF0.1EF231BD@truedisk.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020408163336.00bd1860@localhost> Message-ID: <200204081614.31040.alan@clueserver.org> On Monday 08 April 2002 04:36 pm, Russ Johnson wrote: > Hmm, one of the things I have to do with spambouncer is have procmail > filter out the mailing lists "prior" to spambouncer processing the mail. > Otherwise, spambouncer will tag most the mailing list mail, and send it to > a box I don't read often. > > If I understand what you are saying here, all of your mail (including > mailing lists) goes through spam-assassin. Does it catch spam that looks > like a valid mailing list? Yes. It grabs a bunch of spam that comes through my mailing lists all the time. It does get some false positives, as well as some misses, so you may want to filter it off into a holding area that can be looked at later. From youngdan at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Apr 9 00:37:33 2002 From: youngdan at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Kernel Module Question In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA757@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Craighead, Scot D wrote: > Thank you. That is the mail thing I was looking for. > > There is a directory called config under /usr/src/linux-2.4 with a bunch of > config files by architecture. I have a pentiun II 433 MHz. Is that > considered i686? Is there a place to check? uname -m displays the architecure. -Dan Young From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Tue Apr 9 01:14:39 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:14:39 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Kernel Module Question Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA759@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> >uname -m displays the architecure. > >-Dan Young Thank you! From mikedela at ipns.com Tue Apr 9 01:38:55 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:38:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Job posting from Oregon Employment office Message-ID: <000901c1df67$50943400$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> Sounds like somebody could give up the unemployed SIG, they're looking for a Linux dude, but it's way over my head. http://www.emp.state.or.us/jobs/jobdisplay.cfm?ord=1801921&system=WIOA&type= N&lang=E ___________________ Mike De La Mater www.theplatinumrule.com PC repairs, Network Consulting, Web Services, etc. 25 years experience mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 //// (0 0) ooO (_) Ooo -=-=-=-=-=- Effective Computer Services -=-=-=-=-=- (_) (_) From mkmcconn at teleport.com Tue Apr 9 00:45:56 2002 From: mkmcconn at teleport.com (Mark McConnell) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:45:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] vinum size on disk In-Reply-To: <3CB1A8A0.4198.6A49367@localhost> Message-ID: <3CB1D754.23803.249028D@localhost> I'm sorry about the long lines. Something went wrong. On 8 Apr 2002 at 14:26, Mark McConnell wrote: > > Since February, I've been experimenting with FreeBSD's volume manager, > called vinum. http://www.vinumvm.org/ > > When I create files on this volume, and share it to a Samba network, > I've found that Windows 2000 reports a very large discrepency between > the size of the file and the size on the disk. > > For example: > Size: 273 KB (280,542 bytes) > Size on disk: 8.00 MB (8,388,608 bytes) > > I don't know where that "8.00 MB" comes from. I can't find a similar > number looking at the same file from the localhost. > > I've created several different configurations. And, I've observed the > same issue under each type of organization. The figures above are what > I see when reading a file on a 375GB RAID5 volume, constructed from > four 115 GB IDE drives, on a Promise Ultra100 TX2 card, mounted for > sharing on a Samba network. Currently Running FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE > > Windows 2000 does not have similar problems when reading Samba shares > to normal volumes. > > What am I looking at? Is this a problem with Windows 2000? Have I > set up my vinum volume incorrectly? > > Below are my file system preferences. Have I mis-set something? > > tunefs: soft updates: (-n) enabled > tunefs: maximum contiguous block count: (-a) 15 > tunefs: rotational delay between contiguous blocks: (-d) 0 ms > tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 2048 > tunefs: average file size: (-f) 16384 > tunefs: average number of files in a directory: (-s) 64 > tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 8% > tunefs: optimization preference: (-o) time > > Can I safely ignore this? > > Mark McConnell > -- From dcf at aracnet.com Tue Apr 9 02:06:54 2002 From: dcf at aracnet.com (David Fleck) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] IP Masquerading In-Reply-To: <20020408163517.GB7641@boora.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Michael Montagne wrote: > My question is, how to tell if IP Masquerading is enabled in the kernel? > Or as a module available to be enabled as needed? You could grep for 'ip_masq' in the System.map file - I think this will tell you what symbols are present in the kernel. If you find any for ip_masq, that would imply that masquerading is compiled in. If the masquerading bits are compiled as modules, they will be in /lib/modules/{kernel version}/ipv4, or someplace similar. -- David Fleck dcf at aracnet.com From cmize at loadzone.org Tue Apr 9 02:39:12 2002 From: cmize at loadzone.org (Chuck Mize) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:39:12 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Stupid Galeon tricks Message-ID: <20020408193912.M50005@loadzone.org> Over the weekend I installed the new 7.3 RedHat beta (Skipjack) and everything works great except for Galeon (which is my favorite browser...). It opens fine and browses fine but if I try and get to the Preferences from the Settings menu it bombs out with this error message: GnomeUI-ERROR **: file gnome-icon-item.c: line 375 (get_default_font): assertion failed: (default_font != NULL) aborting... Aborted I swear I didn't delete any fonts so I'm not sure why Galeon thinks that its default font is a null value. I tried deleting the .galeon folder from my home directory hoping it would recreate all the default settings but that didn't help. Does anybody have any ideas? From kens at cad2cam.com Tue Apr 9 04:00:20 2002 From: kens at cad2cam.com (Kenneth G. Stephens) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 21:00:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just touch /var/lock/samba/STATUS..LCK and magically smbstatus works. Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Rick Konold > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:02 AM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem > > > On Monday 08 April 2002 09:38, you hammered the keyboard to write: > > > > Failed to open byte range locking database > > > > ERROR: Failed to initialise locking database > > > > Can't initialise locking module - exiting > > > > > > I took a look at the smbstatus command, and it > > > appears to only tell you what > > > ACTIVE connections you have. If you are not > > > connected via smbclient to some > > > directory on the other end, it will not be doing any > > > file locking, and will > > > not report any active user. This may explain your > > > error if you are just > > > checking smbstatus without any active client > > > connected. > > > > Mine reports like so when I have no active > > connections: > > > > Samba version 2.2.3a > > Service uid gid pid machine > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > No locked files > > > > > > So whatever error that is, it isn't about a lack a > > clients :) > > Odd, when I do smbstatus on my Workstation running RH7.2 with > samba 2.2.1a I > get the same as you show above. When I do it on my Server > running RH6.2 with > samba 2.0.6-9, I get "couldn't open status file > /var/lock/samba/STATUS..LCK". > I checked /var/lock/samba and there is no such file there. Then > I tried to > compare /var/lock/samba on the RH7.2 workstation, and there is no such > directory at all, the files are in different locations there. I > don't know > if this means different versions do things differently, or if > there may be a > problem with the setup on my server. [are they both saying there are no > locked files in a different way?] Functionally they both work fine, and > have for at least a year now. I use them both to browse and > copy files with > a W98 box on the network. Of course on a single user network, a > lack of file > locking may not cause problems. I will compare the smb.conf > files later to > see if there are any diff's. Thanks for pointing that out. > -- > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Rick Konold ~~ Linux Advocate > In a world without fences we don't need Gates. > This message brought to you by KMail on Linux RedHat 7.2 > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From Patrick.Leckey at xist.com Tue Apr 9 04:59:57 2002 From: Patrick.Leckey at xist.com (Patrick Leckey) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 00:59:57 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] Inspiron 2600 In-Reply-To: <200204081612.38171.alan@clueserver.org> References: <20020408113722.A28142@dalsemi.com> <20020408182646.A4192@melvin.leckey.net> <200204081612.38171.alan@clueserver.org> Message-ID: <20020409005956.A5042@melvin.leckey.net> Unless someone is sitting in the field or down by the stream with a laptop on 802.11, there's no way anybody could be getting a signal from my access point, so I'm not concerned. My closest neighbour is over 1000 yards away. Pat. On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 04:12:37PM -0700, Alan wrote: > On Monday 08 April 2002 03:26 pm, Patrick Leckey wrote: > > I actually have a 2600 running, currently SuSE, but it did start with > > RedHat on it. Everything was autodeteced by both RedHat and SuSE except > > the on-board sound, which was easily taken care of by installing the ALSA > > project drivers. They are very, very nice laptops. I love my book, and > > it is rarely more than 25 feet from me at any time. 802.11 is good. :) > > Especially for people running AirSnort. > > 802.11 encryption is *VERY* broken. > > > > > > Pat. > > > > On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:37:22AM -0700, Colin Kuskie wrote: > > > After years of battling X and PCMCIA on my laptop, I'm thinking about > > > upgrading to a newer one. A Dell Inspiron 2600 looks like it matches > > > my needs almost exactly, but there are no entries for it on the > > > linux-on-laptops site. > > > > > > Do any of you have experience putting Linux (preferably Red Hat) on > > > that particular model, or know if the 2600 is close to any of the other > > > models for comparison? > > > > > > Colin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey at xist.com] XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 From greg at gregory.myftp.org Tue Apr 9 06:50:00 2002 From: greg at gregory.myftp.org (Greg Long) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 23:50:00 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ADV:Harvest lots of Target Email address quickly References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408154859.00b8fc78@localhost> Message-ID: <3CB28F18.2040501@gregory.myftp.org> You can wait to scream, but if you call within the NEXT TEN MINUTES..... Russ Johnson wrote: > Can I scream now, or should I wait? > > At 06:01 AM 4/9/2002 +0800, you wrote:Disclaimer: > >> We are strongly against continuously sending unsolicited emails to >> those who do not wish to receive our special mailings. We have >> attained the services of an independent 3rd party to overlook list >> management and removal services. This is not unsolicited email. If >> you do not wish to receive further mailings, please click this link >> http://www.autoemailremoval.com/cgi-bin/remove.pl . Auto Email >> Removal Company. Ref# 01222263545 >> This message is a commercial advertisement. It is compliant with all >> federal and state laws regarding email messages including the >> California Business and Professions Code. We have provided the >> subject line "ADV" to provide you notification that this is a >> commercial advertisement for persons over 18yrs old. >> > > Russ Johnson > http://www.dimstar.net > > > In Alaska, where it gets very cold, pi is only 3.00. As you know, > everything shrinks in the cold. They call it Eskimo pi. > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > From greg at gregory.myftp.org Tue Apr 9 06:53:21 2002 From: greg at gregory.myftp.org (Greg Long) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 23:53:21 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Spamassassin - Howabout a popup killer? References: <3CB21EF0.1EF231BD@truedisk.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020408154859.00b8fc78@localhost> <3CB21EF0.1EF231BD@truedisk.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020408163336.00bd1860@localhost> Message-ID: <3CB28FE1.2080608@gregory.myftp.org> I use a simple, merciless one in win - killad.exe, but how about linux/gnome/kde? Russ Johnson wrote: > Hmm, one of the things I have to do with spambouncer is have procmail > filter out the mailing lists "prior" to spambouncer processing the > mail. Otherwise, spambouncer will tag most the mailing list mail, and > send it to a box I don't read often. > > If I understand what you are saying here, all of your mail (including > mailing lists) goes through spam-assassin. Does it catch spam that > looks like a valid mailing list? > > At 04:38 PM 4/8/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >> I highly recommend spam-assassin, it significantly reduces my spam load >> and its false positive rate is pretty infrequent (though I had to do a >> little fine-tuning to the scoring). It can also be tied in to Vipul's >> razor, which I have no experience using. > > > Russ Johnson > http://www.dimstar.net > > > In Alaska, where it gets very cold, pi is only 3.00. As you know, > everything shrinks in the cold. They call it Eskimo pi. > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > From dave at pakled.mmcc.cx Tue Apr 9 07:00:11 2002 From: dave at pakled.mmcc.cx (Dave) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 00:00:11 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ADV:Harvest lots of Target Email address quickly References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408154859.00b8fc78@localhost> <3CB28F18.2040501@gregory.myftp.org> Message-ID: <3CB2917B.8070602@pakled.mmcc.cx> >>> you do not wish to receive further mailings, please click this link >>> http://www.autoemailremoval.com/cgi-bin/remove.pl . Auto Email >>> Removal Company. Ref# 01222263545 >>> This message is a commercial advertisement. It is compliant with all Just out of idle curiosity, I clicked the link (while in Mr. Sandbox Mode) and lo and behold, its a dead link. ;) -- -Dave dave at pakled.mmcc.cx From loatsj at physics.orst.edu Tue Apr 9 07:24:08 2002 From: loatsj at physics.orst.edu (Jeff Loats) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 00:24:08 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Linux to Linux Printing Message-ID: <3CB29718.3040204@physics.orst.edu> I'm fairly new to Linux so bear with me here... I've got an HP LaserJet 1100 hooked up to my linux box. I used the KDE printer configuration tool to set it up, and it works great. However, I am trying to figure out how to allow my co-worker to print to my printer (from his linux box) over our LAN. I have created the file /etc/hosts.lpd and put nothing but a "+" into it. My co-worker doesn't get permission errors anymore (when he tries to print to my printer). In fact, when he prints something to my printer he gets no errors, everything seems to be fine, but nothing comes out of the printer. For reference, I am using Red Hat version 7.1 Thanks very much! Jeff -- Jeff Loats OSU Department of Physics loatsj at physics.orst.edu "Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic!" From mikedela at ipns.com Tue Apr 9 07:27:48 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 00:27:48 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ADV:Harvest lots of Target Email address quickly In-Reply-To: <3CB2917B.8070602@pakled.mmcc.cx> Message-ID: <000101c1df98$0d9cfde0$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> > (while in Mr. Sandbox Mode) ??????? Never heard of his mode, what is it? ___________________ Mike De La Mater mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Dave > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:00 AM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] ADV:Harvest lots of Target Email address quickly > > > >>> you do not wish to receive further mailings, please click > this link > >>> http://www.autoemailremoval.com/cgi-bin/remove.pl . Auto Email > >>> Removal Company. Ref# 01222263545 > >>> This message is a commercial advertisement. It is > compliant with all > > Just out of idle curiosity, I clicked the link (while in Mr. Sandbox > Mode) and lo and behold, its a dead link. ;) > > > > -- > -Dave > dave at pakled.mmcc.cx > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From cccs at teleport.com Tue Apr 9 06:47:37 2002 From: cccs at teleport.com (Rick Konold) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 23:47:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Monday 08 April 2002 21:00, you hammered the keyboard to write: > Just touch /var/lock/samba/STATUS..LCK and magically smbstatus works. > > Ken Hey, that worked like a charm...but it begs the question, why didn't samba create that file when I installed it? I don't recall anything about that in the README or INSTALL.TXT, but of course that was over a year ago, and I have forgotten most of what I read yesterday :) -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Rick Konold ~~ Linux Advocate In a world without fences we don't need Gates. This message brought to you by KMail on Linux RedHat 7.2 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From dave at pakled.mmcc.cx Tue Apr 9 08:55:22 2002 From: dave at pakled.mmcc.cx (Dave) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 01:55:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ADV:Harvest lots of Target Email address quickly References: <000101c1df98$0d9cfde0$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> Message-ID: <3CB2AC7A.8090306@pakled.mmcc.cx> Mr. Sandbox Mode is where I turn off javascript, check my firewalls, ensure squid is behaving well and smooshing ads, cookies are set to 'warn', and that I've got a popup killer running, and poise my fingers over '^w' and click. ;) Mike De La Mater wrote: >>(while in Mr. Sandbox Mode) > > > ??????? Never heard of his mode, what is it? -- -Dave dave at pakled.mmcc.cx From sean_whitney at bigfoot.com Tue Apr 9 14:40:31 2002 From: sean_whitney at bigfoot.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 07:40:31 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Linux to Linux Printing In-Reply-To: <3CB29718.3040204@physics.orst.edu> References: <3CB29718.3040204@physics.orst.edu> Message-ID: <20020409144032.9C1B6C4EC@max.seansdomain.org> Try CUPS, it's probably more straight forward to set up. As a friend of mine once said "Printers are from the devil" Sean On Tuesday 09 April 2002 00:24, you hammered at the keyboard: > I'm fairly new to Linux so bear with me here... > > I've got an HP LaserJet 1100 hooked up to my linux box. I used the KDE > printer configuration tool to set it up, and it works great. > > However, I am trying to figure out how to allow my co-worker to print to > my printer (from his linux box) over our LAN. > > I have created the file /etc/hosts.lpd and put nothing but a "+" into > it. My co-worker doesn't get permission errors anymore (when he tries > to print to my printer). In fact, when he prints something to my > printer he gets no errors, everything seems to be fine, but nothing > comes out of the printer. > > For reference, I am using Red Hat version 7.1 > > Thanks very much! > > Jeff -- This here's the wattle, The emblem of our land. You can stick it in a bottle; You can hold it in your hand. Amen! -- Monty Python From heinlein at attbi.com Tue Apr 9 15:25:14 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Linux to Linux Printing In-Reply-To: <20020409144032.9C1B6C4EC@max.seansdomain.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Sean Whitney wrote: > As a friend of mine once said "Printers are from the devil" Them, and tape drives... -- Paul Heinlein From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Tue Apr 9 16:16:26 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:16:26 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Kernel Module Question Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA75C@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Well, I did it. mp3's now play in real time instead of incredible slow, however, they are still to have too static to listen to. Maybe when RH 7.3 ships..... -----Original Message----- From: Dan Young [mailto:youngdan at parkrose.k12.or.us] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:38 PM To: 'plug at lists.pdxlinux.org' Subject: RE: [PLUG] Kernel Module Question On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Craighead, Scot D wrote: > Thank you. That is the mail thing I was looking for. > > There is a directory called config under /usr/src/linux-2.4 with a bunch of > config files by architecture. I have a pentiun II 433 MHz. Is that > considered i686? Is there a place to check? uname -m displays the architecure. -Dan Young _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From cb at onsitetech.com Tue Apr 9 16:41:59 2002 From: cb at onsitetech.com (Christian Brink) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:41:59 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Hardware Test Suite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm trying to track down a strange hardware error on my L440GX+ (Lancewood with a single processor). It randomly locks with no messages in the log files or console messages. I have verified the SCSI chain and swapped memory. I am booting the SMP kernel. There is no way (in the BIOS at least) to disable the CPU onboard cache or the L2 Cache. It is running RH7.2 all up2date. Has anyone had a similar problem, or does anyone know of a good hardware test suite I can run? From Patrick.Leckey at xist.com Tue Apr 9 17:04:44 2002 From: Patrick.Leckey at xist.com (Patrick Leckey) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:04:44 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] Linux to Linux Printing In-Reply-To: References: <20020409144032.9C1B6C4EC@max.seansdomain.org> Message-ID: <20020409130444.A6176@melvin.leckey.net> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:25:14AM -0700, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Sean Whitney wrote: > > > As a friend of mine once said "Printers are from the devil" > > Them, and tape drives... And Jerry Lewis. Don't know if he uses Linux though. > > -- Paul Heinlein > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey at xist.com] XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 From codeyeti at yahoo.com Tue Apr 9 17:32:55 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 10:32:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Spamassassin - Howabout a popup killer? References: <3CB21EF0.1EF231BD@truedisk.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020408154859.00b8fc78@localhost> <3CB21EF0.1EF231BD@truedisk.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020408163336.00bd1860@localhost> <3CB28FE1.2080608@gregory.myftp.org> Message-ID: <3CB325C6.542B98AA@yahoo.com> You can turn off some javascript functions, including popups, with mozilla. It's under Preferences>advanced>scripts and windows --Mike Greg Long wrote: > I use a simple, merciless one in win - killad.exe, but how about > linux/gnome/kde? > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From ziggy at anodizing.com Tue Apr 9 17:35:29 2002 From: ziggy at anodizing.com (Abraham Zwygart) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 10:35:29 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] kde 3.0 locking up References: <20020314013846.GB13168@javalinux.net> <20020313213940.M95651@loadzone.org> <3C903CC2.3080105@q7.com> <20020313221421.1a448bba.due.gatti@gmx.net> <1016087281.10756.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3CB32661.103A64C@anodizing.com> Hi all, I have just installed kde 3.0 on my home computer running RD 7.2 It seems like some one talked about this, but I can not find it in the archives ( 2002-April or 2002-March). When I had kde 2.2 some screens would lock up for a minute or two, but you could open another screen an keep on working. Now with kde 3.0 this seems to be fix and the computer locks-up:(( No response from mouse or key board. There is no set time. I have the lockup happen at logon up to a hour after logon. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ | SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator | 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy at anodizing.com | Portland, OR 97211 | Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 | | The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine | and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From codeyeti at yahoo.com Tue Apr 9 17:36:00 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 10:36:00 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Linux to Linux Printing References: <3CB29718.3040204@physics.orst.edu> Message-ID: <3CB3267F.5E3F5C93@yahoo.com> OK, so go to the other computer and do a "lpc status". It should tell you if you can reach the print server from the other box. Also, what does your /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny say? Odds are, you're blocking out the other mkachine with TCP wrappers. Jeff Loats wrote: > I'm fairly new to Linux so bear with me here... From robbert at vafam.com Tue Apr 9 17:38:50 2002 From: robbert at vafam.com (Robbert van Andel) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:38:50 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] kde 3.0 locking up In-Reply-To: <3CB32661.103A64C@anodizing.com> Message-ID: <000001c1dfed$694901c0$6400a8c0@main> This isn't an answer to your question, unfortunately. But I'm curious how you got KDE 3.0 and how you installed it. I've only been running Linux for 4 months and have never done an upgrade like this. Robbert van Andel -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Abraham Zwygart Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 10:35 AM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] kde 3.0 locking up Hi all, I have just installed kde 3.0 on my home computer running RD 7.2 It seems like some one talked about this, but I can not find it in the archives ( 2002-April or 2002-March). When I had kde 2.2 some screens would lock up for a minute or two, but you could open another screen an keep on working. Now with kde 3.0 this seems to be fix and the computer locks-up:(( No response from mouse or key board. There is no set time. I have the lockup happen at logon up to a hour after logon. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ | Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ | SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator | 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy at anodizing.com | Portland, OR 97211 | Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 | | The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine | and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. +----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From cccs at teleport.com Tue Apr 9 16:58:13 2002 From: cccs at teleport.com (Rick Konold) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:58:13 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] kde 3.0 locking up In-Reply-To: <3CB32661.103A64C@anodizing.com> References: <1016087281.10756.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3CB32661.103A64C@anodizing.com> Message-ID: On Tuesday 09 April 2002 10:35, you hammered the keyboard to write: > Hi all, > > I have just installed kde 3.0 on my home computer running RD 7.2 > It seems like some one talked about this, but I can not find it in the > archives ( 2002-April or 2002-March). When I had kde 2.2 some > screens would lock up for a minute or two, but you could open another > screen an keep on working. Now with kde 3.0 this seems to be fix > and the computer locks-up:(( No response from mouse or key board. > There is no set time. I have the lockup happen at logon up to a hour > after logon. Don't discount the possibility that this is a hardware problem, especially an overheating processor. Dust bunnies can kill! -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Rick Konold ~~ Linux Advocate In a world without fences we don't need Gates. This message brought to you by KMail on Linux RedHat 7.2 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From wcooley at nakedape.cc Tue Apr 9 18:13:23 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:13:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Kernel Module Question In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA75C@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com>; from craighead.scot@vectorscm.com on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:16:26AM -0700 References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA75C@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <20020409111323.R5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Craighead, Scot D on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:16:26AM PDT > Well, I did it. mp3's now play in real time instead of incredible slow, > however, they are still to have too static to listen to. Maybe when RH 7.3 > ships..... You shouldn't have any problems playing mp3s on a 433MHz machine. Perhaps there is an incorrect setting in your sound card, a loose connection, or perhaps you've just got lousy mp3s. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From m at netpro.to Tue Apr 9 18:23:29 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] kde 3.0 locking up In-Reply-To: <000001c1dfed$694901c0$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Robbert van Andel wrote: > This isn't an answer to your question, unfortunately. But I'm curious > how you got KDE 3.0 and how you installed it. I've only been running > Linux for 4 months and have never done an upgrade like this. I managed to get KDE 3.0 installed on a RH 7.1 box, but it was a tedious process. It was basically a game of try-to-install/upgrade-a-KDE-RPM-but-can't-because-the-old-version-must-be-there-for-various-apps-so-forcibly-remove-the-old-version-with-the-nodeps-option-and-then-hunt-on-rpmfind.net-for-whichever-RPM-contains-the-particular-library-that-the-new-RPM-needs-then-create-symlinks-for-all-the-libraries-that-are-required-by-the-old-apps-pointing-to-the-new-libraries-and-discover-that-several-of-the-RPMS-cannot-be-installed-because-I-can't-find-the-required-dependencies-so-delete-the-RPM-and-hope-it-wasn't-that-important-then-bow-before-the-Great-Golden-Penguin-and-hope-that-it-grants-success-to-startx. Repeat as desired. Soooooo... If you're relatively new to Linux, I would recommend that you wait for the next version of that already has KDE 3 ready to go. But if you enjoy the sort of detective work required to get KDE installed on a RH box, then by all means, head to kde.org and get going (You might want to do this on a spare box, just in case things don't go in your favor). ~M From m at netpro.to Tue Apr 9 18:27:28 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] kde 3.0 locking up In-Reply-To: <3CB32661.103A64C@anodizing.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Abraham Zwygart wrote: > Hi all, > > I have just installed kde 3.0 on my home computer running RD 7.2 > It seems like some one talked about this, but I can not find it in the > archives ( 2002-April or 2002-March). When I had kde 2.2 some > screens would lock up for a minute or two, but you could open another > screen an keep on working. Now with kde 3.0 this seems to be fix > and the computer locks-up:(( No response from mouse or key board. > There is no set time. I have the lockup happen at logon up to a hour > after logon. Can you ctrl-alt-backspace to kill the X session? Can you ctrl-alt-F1 and get to a console? Can you ssh into your box? I just hate to hear about Linux systems being manually rebooted when the GUI has problems... ~M From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Tue Apr 9 18:26:20 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:26:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Kernel Module Question Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA764@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Wil spoke thusly: >You shouldn't have any problems playing mp3s on a 433MHz machine. >Perhaps there is an incorrect setting in your sound card, a loose >connection, or perhaps you've just got lousy mp3s. Perhaps. I was able to play mp3's before I upgraded to 7.2. I read that a change in the kernel broke the sound driver for my sound card and the process I went through was supposed to fix it. Another option would be to upgrade the kernel. Perhaps I will try that. I will get some other mp3's to try out first. Perhaps the one I was testing with is bad. It did sound better than before. At least it wasn't in super slow mode. From wcooley at nakedape.cc Tue Apr 9 18:29:33 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:29:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] kde 3.0 locking up In-Reply-To: ; from m@netpro.to on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:27:28AM -0700 References: <3CB32661.103A64C@anodizing.com> Message-ID: <20020409112933.S5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Matt Alexander on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:27:28AM PDT > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Abraham Zwygart wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I have just installed kde 3.0 on my home computer running RD 7.2 > > It seems like some one talked about this, but I can not find it in the > > archives ( 2002-April or 2002-March). When I had kde 2.2 some > > screens would lock up for a minute or two, but you could open another > > screen an keep on working. Now with kde 3.0 this seems to be fix > > and the computer locks-up:(( No response from mouse or key board. > > There is no set time. I have the lockup happen at logon up to a hour > > after logon. > > Can you ctrl-alt-backspace to kill the X session? Can you ctrl-alt-F1 and > get to a console? Can you ssh into your box? I just hate to hear about > Linux systems being manually rebooted when the GUI has problems... Yeah, so do I. I found out the hard way a few weeks ago that the printer config applet in KDE 2.2 tickled a kernel bug that caused a lock-up; upgrading to 2.2.2 upgraded the kernel bug to cause a hard reboot. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sometimes a memory swap doesn't rule out all memory-related issues (e.g., dust in the DIMM slot). You might try memtest86: http://www.teresaudio.com/memtest86/ Power and heat issues are much tougher to track down, esp. if the problem arises from motherboard circuitry... -- Paul Heinlein From Patrick.Leckey at xist.com Tue Apr 9 19:27:19 2002 From: Patrick.Leckey at xist.com (Patrick Leckey) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:27:19 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] SSH2 Public Key Authentication Message-ID: <20020409152719.B6446@melvin.leckey.net> Hey ho there pluggers. I have a client running Win98 that has to have SSH access to one of our boxes in the office. I have this box set up on SSH2 and authorizing through public keys. The client uses SecureCRT as his SSH2 client, and his public key is output as such... ---- BEGIN SSH2 PUBLIC KEY ---- Subject: Comment: AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAACBAIzFfRP1V/uMsId/RdhghxBLeu42qoNxXMEt2URPT4GtnATK lTPAPupRoj/6GlHTHoUjzethznqcx+yEOIcq3YFgj657x7+b3ocJYiThtx3by71hfQWn X1hfn3QITGEqQsoa2K9Eikr+gPreP8kC7n+ZiCuARe+DxjTCMqyVvsZHAAAAFQDHhVC3 jeW1TWYV/KnbPrJbBC1PPQAAAIAM+yHBxgg2z9ypV/elMlAgZ2m48iuYsMahx/tD/bHi UVlvLAhJ/4nCV/8z5ACdGfdCo+VEWehPHGJe960eiphdAMApEW8iXLEsY+05kfLEG9zd kTdIRKMBf+LxXfuGOTBuQyp3emf7v1TY+q2IyReGlSyvjLecD/kbZl4pfyZeNAAAAIB5 ko5X3k0HMI26qDHWQUHPdfhRgchPlca3/pVi0Skb2dlRyl1EkovXs9dH0iAf6hcT3gHp NdULRJjhrKQpRMtW5yOt+aalGuh71o4kd3YSIFwQkXfEGl+7iw6BL11+Zto+BwVsXt2W f3jn+7iDnh3e1NXGbQuLjfnxbghYs4mpTQ== ---- END SSH2 PUBLIC KEY ---- Which obviously is not of the same format as the authrozed_keys2 file in the ~user/.ssh directory. I have tried changing it to the following format: ssh-rsa but it still says the public key is invalid... I don't wanna waste too much time on setting up a windows client... any ideas? Thanks. -- Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey at xist.com] XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 From longman at sharplabs.com Tue Apr 9 19:34:37 2002 From: longman at sharplabs.com (Longman, Bill) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:34:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] SSH2 Public Key Authentication Message-ID: See the -e and -y options of ssh-keygen. > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Leckey [mailto:Patrick.Leckey at xist.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:27 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: [PLUG] SSH2 Public Key Authentication > > > Hey ho there pluggers. I have a client running Win98 > that has to have SSH access to one of our boxes in the office. > I have this box set up on SSH2 and authorizing through public > keys. The client uses SecureCRT as his SSH2 client, and his > public key is output as such... > > ---- BEGIN SSH2 PUBLIC KEY ---- > Subject: > Comment: > AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAACBAIzFfRP1V/uMsId/RdhghxBLeu42qoNxXMEt2URPT4GtnATK > lTPAPupRoj/6GlHTHoUjzethznqcx+yEOIcq3YFgj657x7+b3ocJYiThtx3by71hfQWn > X1hfn3QITGEqQsoa2K9Eikr+gPreP8kC7n+ZiCuARe+DxjTCMqyVvsZHAAAAFQDHhVC3 > jeW1TWYV/KnbPrJbBC1PPQAAAIAM+yHBxgg2z9ypV/elMlAgZ2m48iuYsMahx/tD/bHi > UVlvLAhJ/4nCV/8z5ACdGfdCo+VEWehPHGJe960eiphdAMApEW8iXLEsY+05kfLEG9zd > kTdIRKMBf+LxXfuGOTBuQyp3emf7v1TY+q2IyReGlSyvjLecD/kbZl4pfyZeNAAAAIB5 > ko5X3k0HMI26qDHWQUHPdfhRgchPlca3/pVi0Skb2dlRyl1EkovXs9dH0iAf6hcT3gHp > NdULRJjhrKQpRMtW5yOt+aalGuh71o4kd3YSIFwQkXfEGl+7iw6BL11+Zto+BwVsXt2W > f3jn+7iDnh3e1NXGbQuLjfnxbghYs4mpTQ== > ---- END SSH2 PUBLIC KEY ---- > > Which obviously is not of the same format as the > authrozed_keys2 file in the ~user/.ssh directory. I have > tried changing it > to the following format: > > ssh-rsa > > but it still says the public key is invalid... I don't wanna > waste too much time on setting up a windows client... any ideas? > > Thanks. > > -- > Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey at xist.com] > XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology > http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From richard.langis at sun.com Tue Apr 9 19:39:55 2002 From: richard.langis at sun.com (Richard Langis) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:39:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Hardware Test Suite References: Message-ID: <3CB3438B.8000407@sun.com> I'll second Memtest86 - I'm running 2k at home as my main workstation, and was getting random lockups and errors, BSOD's when playing games or if I had lots of windows open. I pulled memtest86 off the 'net and almost immediately after starting the test I was getting memory errors on my 3rd 256M DIMM. I pulled it out, cleaned it and the memory slot off, swapped it with another dimm and started up memtest again. No errors - it was just dirty. I still get random errors and BSOD's on occasion, but I'll attribute that to win2k. ;) -R Paul Heinlein wrote: > > Does it lock up only when running X, or just whenever? If only when > running X, have you tried swapping video cards? > > Sometimes a memory swap doesn't rule out all memory-related issues > (e.g., dust in the DIMM slot). You might try memtest86: > > http://www.teresaudio.com/memtest86/ > > Power and heat issues are much tougher to track down, esp. if the > problem arises from motherboard circuitry... From Patrick.Leckey at xist.com Tue Apr 9 19:44:42 2002 From: Patrick.Leckey at xist.com (Patrick Leckey) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:44:42 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] SSH2 Public Key Authentication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020409154442.A6583@melvin.leckey.net> Thanks Bill. I found what I needed from ya. :) I guess I just expressed myself backwards. The option I was looking for was the -i option in ssh-keygen. Pat. On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:34:37PM -0700, Longman, Bill wrote: > See the -e and -y options of ssh-keygen. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Patrick Leckey [mailto:Patrick.Leckey at xist.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:27 PM > > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > > Subject: [PLUG] SSH2 Public Key Authentication > > > > > > Hey ho there pluggers. I have a client running Win98 > > that has to have SSH access to one of our boxes in the office. > > I have this box set up on SSH2 and authorizing through public > > keys. The client uses SecureCRT as his SSH2 client, and his > > public key is output as such... > > > > ---- BEGIN SSH2 PUBLIC KEY ---- > > Subject: > > Comment: > > AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAACBAIzFfRP1V/uMsId/RdhghxBLeu42qoNxXMEt2URPT4GtnATK > > lTPAPupRoj/6GlHTHoUjzethznqcx+yEOIcq3YFgj657x7+b3ocJYiThtx3by71hfQWn > > X1hfn3QITGEqQsoa2K9Eikr+gPreP8kC7n+ZiCuARe+DxjTCMqyVvsZHAAAAFQDHhVC3 > > jeW1TWYV/KnbPrJbBC1PPQAAAIAM+yHBxgg2z9ypV/elMlAgZ2m48iuYsMahx/tD/bHi > > UVlvLAhJ/4nCV/8z5ACdGfdCo+VEWehPHGJe960eiphdAMApEW8iXLEsY+05kfLEG9zd > > kTdIRKMBf+LxXfuGOTBuQyp3emf7v1TY+q2IyReGlSyvjLecD/kbZl4pfyZeNAAAAIB5 > > ko5X3k0HMI26qDHWQUHPdfhRgchPlca3/pVi0Skb2dlRyl1EkovXs9dH0iAf6hcT3gHp > > NdULRJjhrKQpRMtW5yOt+aalGuh71o4kd3YSIFwQkXfEGl+7iw6BL11+Zto+BwVsXt2W > > f3jn+7iDnh3e1NXGbQuLjfnxbghYs4mpTQ== > > ---- END SSH2 PUBLIC KEY ---- > > > > Which obviously is not of the same format as the > > authrozed_keys2 file in the ~user/.ssh directory. I have > > tried changing it > > to the following format: > > > > ssh-rsa > > > > but it still says the public key is invalid... I don't wanna > > waste too much time on setting up a windows client... any ideas? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey at xist.com] > > XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology > > http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey at xist.com] XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 From cb at onsitetech.com Tue Apr 9 19:53:55 2002 From: cb at onsitetech.com (Christian Brink) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:53:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Hardware Test Suite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Does it lock up only when running X, or just whenever? If only when > running X, have you tried swapping video cards? Nope. it's a dev box so 99% of the time it has a couple of people ssh'd in. But it will also hang at night when no one is on. > Sometimes a memory swap doesn't rule out all memory-related issues > (e.g., dust in the DIMM slot). You might try memtest86: > > http://www.teresaudio.com/memtest86/ After I sent this email I found that and ran one iteration. It passed. I'll run several iterations tonight. Nice program! > Power and heat issues are much tougher to track down, esp. if the > problem arises from motherboard circuitry... It's in a fairly cold room, round 60, it also has 4 int fans 1 CPU fan and 2 P/S fans. So I've pretty much ruled that out. It's an older server that I retired for a nice 1U (it's a 4U) > -- Paul Heinlein > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From ziggy at anodizing.com Tue Apr 9 19:58:02 2002 From: ziggy at anodizing.com (Abraham Zwygart) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:58:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] kde 3.0 locking up References: Message-ID: <3CB347CA.14EF4973@anodizing.com> Matt Alexander wrote: > Can you ctrl-alt-backspace to kill the X session? no > Can you ctrl-alt-F1 and get to a console? no > Can you ssh into your box? not on a network no keyboard or mouse response at all. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ | SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator | 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy at anodizing.com | Portland, OR 97211 | Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 | | The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine | and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ziggy at anodizing.com Tue Apr 9 20:03:59 2002 From: ziggy at anodizing.com (Abraham Zwygart) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 13:03:59 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] kde 3.0 locking up References: <3CB32661.103A64C@anodizing.com> <20020409112933.S5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <3CB3492F.F0CE1380@anodizing.com> Wil Cooley wrote: > Yeah, so do I. I found out the hard way a few weeks ago that the > printer config applet in KDE 2.2 tickled a kernel bug that caused > a lock-up; upgrading to 2.2.2 upgraded the kernel bug to cause a > hard reboot. I also am having printer problems. When I had kde 2.2 on RH 7.2 it was working, until I installed a new network card that linux likes. This allow me to get on the cable modem (which is great) but my printer stooped working at that time. The error at bootup is: lpd get_host_name bad host name 'azfamily' but if I type in hostname in the shell it gives me 'azfamily'?? Other then that I have not been working on the problem. Thinking of installing cups to see if that helps? Abraham Z. > > > Wil > -- > Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc > Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc > irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ | SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator | 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy at anodizing.com | Portland, OR 97211 | Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 | | The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine | and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From aarghj at yahoo.com Tue Apr 9 20:03:48 2002 From: aarghj at yahoo.com (john morgali) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] seeking a sun workstation... Message-ID: <20020409200348.96456.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> I am seeking a solaris 8 compatible system, if anyone has one they can part with on the cheap, please reply off list. Thanks! John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Patrick.Leckey at xist.com Tue Apr 9 20:07:24 2002 From: Patrick.Leckey at xist.com (Patrick Leckey) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:07:24 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] Hardware Test Suite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020409160724.B6583@melvin.leckey.net> I had the same thing happening on a dev box at work a while back, too. The box had a 128MB and a 256MB stick in it, and it turned out the 128MB was faulty. Have you tried swapping RAM sticks with another system for a few days just to see? Can't make the situation any worse, and might make it better. Worth a shot, at least. Pat. On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:53:55PM -0700, Christian Brink wrote: > > Does it lock up only when running X, or just whenever? If only when > > running X, have you tried swapping video cards? > > Nope. it's a dev box so 99% of the time it has a couple of people ssh'd in. > But it will also hang at night when no one is on. > > > Sometimes a memory swap doesn't rule out all memory-related issues > > (e.g., dust in the DIMM slot). You might try memtest86: > > > > http://www.teresaudio.com/memtest86/ > > After I sent this email I found that and ran one iteration. It passed. I'll > run several iterations tonight. Nice program! > > > Power and heat issues are much tougher to track down, esp. if the > > problem arises from motherboard circuitry... > > It's in a fairly cold room, round 60, it also has 4 int fans 1 CPU fan and 2 > P/S fans. So I've pretty much ruled that out. It's an older server that I > retired for a nice 1U (it's a 4U) > > > -- Paul Heinlein > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey at xist.com] XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Tue Apr 9 20:47:59 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:47:59 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Hardware Test Suite Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA767@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> >I'll second Memtest86 - I'm running 2k at home as my main workstation, and was >getting random lockups and errors, BSOD's when playing games or if I had lots >of windows open. I pulled memtest86 off the 'net and almost immediately after >starting the test I was getting memory errors on my 3rd 256M DIMM. I pulled >it out, cleaned it and the memory slot off, swapped it with another dimm and >started up memtest again. No errors - it was just dirty. Hey, could I ask a question about 2k? I have a friend that just installed 2K and was asking if they could run games also. Do games work OK on it? From rddunlap at osdl.org Tue Apr 9 21:19:23 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb Message-ID: Hi, At home I have Win2K/NTFS on /dev/hda (or C:, for family use) and Linux on /dev/hdb. Currently I boot Linux from floppy (s.l.o.w). Is there a decent solution for booting Linux on /dev/hdb without using a floppy? (gosh I hope so) According to some dual boot web pages and HOWTOs, LILO can't boot from an NTFS partition, but I tried it anyway, and got "LIL-"....dead. Thanks, -- ~Randy From longman at sharplabs.com Tue Apr 9 21:26:15 2002 From: longman at sharplabs.com (Longman, Bill) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:26:15 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb Message-ID: I've used the "change the BIOS boot order" trick. Not as slow as boot floppy but certainly less automatic.... WEL > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy.Dunlap [mailto:rddunlap at osdl.org] > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 2:19 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb > > > > Hi, > > At home I have Win2K/NTFS on /dev/hda (or C:, for family use) > and Linux on /dev/hdb. > Currently I boot Linux from floppy (s.l.o.w). > > Is there a decent solution for booting Linux on /dev/hdb > without using a floppy? (gosh I hope so) > > According to some dual boot web pages and HOWTOs, LILO > can't boot from an NTFS partition, but I tried it anyway, > and got "LIL-"....dead. > > Thanks, > -- > ~Randy > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From rushdan.abdul-khaliq at intel.com Tue Apr 9 21:49:02 2002 From: rushdan.abdul-khaliq at intel.com (Abdul-Khaliq, Rushdan) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:49:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] HP Pavilion n5135 locks up in X-Windows - Help :) Message-ID: <8A9A5F4E6576D511B98F00508B68C20A1A1ABD@orsmsx106.jf.intel.com> Hi, I was wondering if anyone has any experience working with Linux on laptops. I have an HP Pavilion n5135 that I installed RH7.2, SUSE 7.3, Mandrake 8.1/8.2 and always come across the same issue - the system locks up while working in X-Windows. I am not doing anything out of the ordinary with the installs, just default install, ... using OS embedded S3 video drivers. When I start the X-Window session, it will normally work for about 10 minutes and then all of a sudden the system will lock-up, at this point you cannot even switch to a console, you have to reboot to recover. At first I thought that maybe it was the meager 64MB RAM I had installed, but after upgrading to 256MB I still have the issue. I also tried looking for instructions on the Linux for Laptops site (http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hp.html), but the link for the HP n5135 was broken :( I started experimenting with Linux about 3 months back, wiping out my OEM installed WinME laptop and installing Linux was an attempt at to completely imerse myself in the OS so as to speed the learing process, however not being able to work with the GUI is plain frustrating. Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rushdan. From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Tue Apr 9 22:25:37 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:25:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA770@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> >According to some dual boot web pages and HOWTOs, LILO >can't boot from an NTFS partition, but I tried it anyway, >and got "LIL-"....dead. Will grub work? It is a replacement for lilo that is more advanced. I haven't looked into whether it will work with NTFS, though. From guy1656 at ados.com Tue Apr 9 22:14:23 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:14:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OT (Sort of) Driver Code-pounder? Message-ID: <20020409220435.C83B934E17@ados.com> I work for a cable assembly company (SCSI, ATA, USB, etc.) One of my company's prospective customers (an OEM) is looking into building a portable computer-enhanced gadget (something a bit bigger than a PDA.) They'd be looking for a contract software person to write code for a driver so that their computer is 'talking to' the right port - which is where our cable will attach. They're asking us primarily about MS, but I got them talking about including 'other' systems as well. If it happens, this would be a neat opportunity to ensure that Linux drivers are supplied in tandem with M/Squish... Please contact me off-list of you would like more info... GLL From jason at vancleve.com Tue Apr 9 22:59:14 2002 From: jason at vancleve.com (Jason A.Van Cleve) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:59:14 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Quick Scripting Prob' Message-ID: <20020409155914.49c873d5.jason@vancleve.com> Hi, I wish to put one or more file paths in a text file and then use those contents as command arguments using command substitution (Bash). Specifically, I put a globbed list of MP3s in a file /mp3s/lists/steve-turre and then tried to play them with Xine: me at mine:/mp3s > xine -pq -H `cat /mp3s/lists/steve-turre` This does work, provided no escape characters are found in my file. But in this case, the contents are: Turre,\ Steve/*.mp3 There is a space in this path, so I escaped it. The result is a rather redundant and not very accurate error message from Xine, "There is no available input plugin available to handle 'Turre,\'.". So evidently, because of the command substitution, the escape characters aren't being interpreted, and Xine is told to play "...Turre,\" and "Steve/*.mp3" as separate files. I don't think Xine is at fault; if I try it directly: me at mine:/mp3s > xine -pq -H Turre,\ Steve/*.mp3 it works. This seems peculiar, though I don't know the Bash command parsing order very well. Is there a solution that fits my design? (I know there are other ways to skin this cat, but this one seems most convenient for me. Ideally, I'd like to use the format above for these quasi-playlist files, simply because that's what tab completion yields.) Thanks again, --Jaso. From derek at infotects.com Tue Apr 9 22:56:42 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:56:42 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] HP Pavilion n5135 locks up in X-Windows - Help :) References: <8A9A5F4E6576D511B98F00508B68C20A1A1ABD@orsmsx106.jf.intel.com> Message-ID: <3CB371AA.3D1B001C@infotects.com> Hi Rushdan, "Abdul-Khaliq, Rushdan" wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if anyone has any experience working with Linux on laptops. > > I have an HP Pavilion n5135 that I installed RH7.2, SUSE 7.3, Mandrake > 8.1/8.2 and always come across the same issue - the system locks up while > working in X-Windows. I am not doing anything out of the ordinary with the > installs, just default install, ... using OS embedded S3 video drivers. > When I start the X-Window session, it will normally work for about 10 > minutes and then all of a sudden the system will lock-up, at this point you > cannot even switch to a console, you have to reboot to recover. Is it only when working in X, or can you get it to lock without X (creating a load might be dificult though, try compiling something, like a kernel)? > At first I > thought that maybe it was the meager 64MB RAM I had installed, but after > upgrading to 256MB I still have the issue. I also tried looking for > instructions on the Linux for Laptops site > (http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hp.html), but the link for the HP n5135 was > broken :( > > I started experimenting with Linux about 3 months back, wiping out my OEM > installed WinME laptop and installing Linux was an attempt at to completely > imerse myself in the OS so as to speed the learing process, however not > being able to work with the GUI is plain frustrating. Does the syslog reveal any clues? One possible source is the PCMCIA stuff, does it lock if you remove all of your cards? Another wild idea is, that the framebuffers for console is enabled, do you get a cute little penguin in the upper left hand corner during boot? This has been known to cause problems on other systems, and XFree86 doesn't need framebuffers. Good Luck Derek Loree From Patrick.Leckey at xist.com Tue Apr 9 23:24:45 2002 From: Patrick.Leckey at xist.com (Patrick Leckey) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:24:45 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020409192445.A6985@melvin.leckey.net> LILO can boot NTFS ... only older versions can't. Set up your LILO as you normally would, then add: other=/dev/hda label=Win2K to your lilo.conf, run lilo and reboot. I have this setup on my workstation - Win2KPro on hda, RedHat 7.2 on hdb. I use LILO and it works great. Pat. On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:26:15PM -0700, Longman, Bill wrote: > I've used the "change the BIOS boot order" trick. > > Not as slow as boot floppy but certainly less automatic.... > > WEL > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Randy.Dunlap [mailto:rddunlap at osdl.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 2:19 PM > > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > > Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > At home I have Win2K/NTFS on /dev/hda (or C:, for family use) > > and Linux on /dev/hdb. > > Currently I boot Linux from floppy (s.l.o.w). > > > > Is there a decent solution for booting Linux on /dev/hdb > > without using a floppy? (gosh I hope so) > > > > According to some dual boot web pages and HOWTOs, LILO > > can't boot from an NTFS partition, but I tried it anyway, > > and got "LIL-"....dead. > > > > Thanks, > > -- > > ~Randy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey at xist.com] XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 From seniorr at aracnet.com Wed Apr 10 00:10:17 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 09 Apr 2002 17:10:17 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] distributed computing kit?? Message-ID: <86it70ct1y.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> I have a vague recollection that I saw somewhere recently (in the last month or two) there was a Free Software (or nearly) distributed computing kit, that is, some infrastructure for building your own system. Does anyone else remember that and have a pointer to what I am thinking of? It might have been on slashdot that I saw it, but I haven't been able to find it again... or it might have just been my imagination. Thanks. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From seniorr at aracnet.com Wed Apr 10 00:34:55 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 09 Apr 2002 17:34:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] distributed computing kit?? In-Reply-To: <86it70ct1y.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> References: <86it70ct1y.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <86elhocrww.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Russell" == Russell Senior writes: Russell> I have a vague recollection that I saw somewhere recently (in Russell> the last month or two) there was a Free Software (or nearly) Russell> distributed computing kit, that is, some infrastructure for Russell> building your own system. [...] (e.g. SETI at Home or similar) -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From da_rosser at yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 00:36:23 2002 From: da_rosser at yahoo.com (Doug Rosser) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA770@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <20020410003623.55679.qmail@web13203.mail.yahoo.com> > Will grub work? It is a replacement for lilo that > is more advanced. I > haven't looked into whether it will work with NTFS, > though. I'm using win2k with redhat 7.2 (Call me BorgBoy!) and GRUB and everything works superdeeduper. Install win2k and SP2 BEFORE you install linux, cause Bill's minions like to hose the bootloader as a matter of principle... dr __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From rddunlap at osdl.org Wed Apr 10 00:37:46 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb In-Reply-To: <20020410003623.55679.qmail@web13203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Doug Rosser wrote: | > Will grub work? It is a replacement for lilo that | > is more advanced. I | > haven't looked into whether it will work with NTFS, | > though. | | I'm using win2k with redhat 7.2 (Call me BorgBoy!) and | GRUB and everything works superdeeduper. | | Install win2k and SP2 BEFORE you install linux, cause | Bill's minions like to hose the bootloader as a matter | of principle... And Win2K is in an NTFS partition, not FAT-32? Are you using 2 hard drives like I described in my original posting -- hda for Win2K and hdb for Linux? Thanks, -- ~Randy From da_rosser at yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 00:44:18 2002 From: da_rosser at yahoo.com (Doug Rosser) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:44:18 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] distributed computing kit?? In-Reply-To: <86it70ct1y.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> References: <86it70ct1y.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <02040917441800.24728@bubba> Were you speaking of the Legion? http://legion.virginia.edu On Tuesday 09 April 2002 05:10 pm, you wrote: > I have a vague recollection that I saw somewhere recently (in the last > month or two) there was a Free Software (or nearly) distributed > computing kit, that is, some infrastructure for building your own > system. Does anyone else remember that and have a pointer to what I > am thinking of? It might have been on slashdot that I saw it, but I > haven't been able to find it again... or it might have just been my > imagination. Thanks. From kens at cad2cam.com Wed Apr 10 01:23:39 2002 From: kens at cad2cam.com (Kenneth G. Stephens) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:23:39 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The mysteries of Linux. If the other OS's have them, why can't Linux? Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Rick Konold > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:48 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem > > > On Monday 08 April 2002 21:00, you hammered the keyboard to write: > > Just touch /var/lock/samba/STATUS..LCK and magically smbstatus works. > > > > Ken > > Hey, that worked like a charm...but it begs the question, why > didn't samba > create that file when I installed it? I don't recall anything > about that in > the README or INSTALL.TXT, but of course that was over a year > ago, and I have > forgotten most of what I read yesterday :) > -- > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Rick Konold ~~ Linux Advocate > In a world without fences we don't need Gates. > This message brought to you by KMail on Linux RedHat 7.2 > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Apr 10 01:54:26 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 Message-ID: Has anyone here worked with open office? I just downloaded and installed build 641 and I wonder if it's more capable than StarOffice-5.2. It seems to take as long to load. Sigh. Any comments or insights are solicited. Thanks, Rich From linux at maneuveringspeed.com Wed Apr 10 02:35:51 2002 From: linux at maneuveringspeed.com (Greg Long) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 19:35:51 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Spamassassin - Howabout a popup killer? References: <3CB21EF0.1EF231BD@truedisk.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020408154859.00b8fc78@localhost> <3CB21EF0.1EF231BD@truedisk.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020408163336.00bd1860@localhost> <3CB28FE1.2080608@gregory.myftp.org> <3CB325C6.542B98AA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CB3A507.1010000@maneuveringspeed.com> Thanks for the tip, but it's nice to have a hotkey to hold down which allows popups while held down - I'll scout some more. Michael Smith wrote: > You can turn off some javascript functions, including popups, with mozilla. > It's under Preferences>advanced>scripts and windows > > > --Mike > > Greg Long wrote: > > >>I use a simple, merciless one in win - killad.exe, but how about >>linux/gnome/kde? >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PLUG mailing list >>PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >>http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > From lemming at attbi.com Wed Apr 10 03:47:25 2002 From: lemming at attbi.com (Mark Morgan) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:47:25 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 References: Message-ID: <3CB3B5CD.9060202@attbi.com> Rich Shepard wrote: > Has anyone here worked with open office? I just downloaded and installed > build 641 and I wonder if it's more capable than StarOffice-5.2. It seems to > take as long to load. Sigh. Any comments or insights are solicited. I did run it and found it slower than the 6.0 beta with fewer fonts, but I haven't played with it that much. I'm still not sure. -Mark From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Apr 10 03:55:12 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 In-Reply-To: <3CB3B5CD.9060202@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Mark Morgan wrote: > I did run it and found it slower than the 6.0 beta with fewer fonts, but > I haven't played with it that much. I'm still not sure. Mark, Thanks for the insight. I intend to use it only to read winWord docs sent to me and to work with templates created in winWord. It (and StarOffice) are far too slow and clunky for my production writing. I use emacs or joe for that and then put the final touches on in LyX or WordPerfect (depending on the purpose). Rich From seniorr at aracnet.com Wed Apr 10 04:42:08 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 09 Apr 2002 21:42:08 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86d6x82mhr.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Randy" == Randy Dunlap writes: Randy> And Win2K is in an NTFS partition, not FAT-32? Randy> Are you using 2 hard drives like I described in my original Randy> posting -- hda for Win2K and hdb for Linux? This is more wild-assed speculation, but FWIW. I got GRUB working on a dual boot W2k/Debian laptop. My W2k is on a FAT32 partition, but I have the impression that it wouldn't matter if it was an NTFS because GRUB doesn't just chainloads the MS operating systems anyway. It doesn't seem to be trying to grok the filesystem for anything but ext2 and friends where it can find a kernel to boot. My w2k is on /dev/hda1 (hd0,0 in grubspeak) and debian is on /dev/hda3 (hd0,2). To play with GRUB, load it on a floppy and run commands from the GRUB command line to boot the various possibilities before you commit to blotting out the MBR. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From seniorr at aracnet.com Wed Apr 10 04:51:30 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 09 Apr 2002 21:51:30 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb References: <86d6x82mhr.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <863cy42m25.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Russell" == Russell Senior writes: Russell> I got GRUB working on a dual boot W2k/Debian laptop. My W2k Russell> is on a FAT32 partition, but I have the impression that it Russell> wouldn't matter if it was an NTFS because GRUB doesn't just Russell> chainloads the MS operating systems anyway. Damn, that kona koffee mochi is giving me the whirly-birds. That should read: ``because GRUB just chainloads ...'' Here's my /boot/grub/menu.lst: default saved timeout 10 title Windows 2000 Professional root (hd0,0) chainloader +1 savedefault title Linux (current) root (hd0,2) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 vga=835 savedefault title Linux (old) kernel /boot/vmlinuz.old root=/dev/hda3 vga=835 savedefault Notably, I _didn't_ get GRUB working on a Abit VP6 motherboard. Something to do with the bios misreporting disk geometry. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From rddunlap at osdl.org Wed Apr 10 05:46:48 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (rddunlap at osdl.org) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb In-Reply-To: <863cy42m25.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: On 9 Apr 2002, Russell Senior wrote: | >>>>> "Russell" == Russell Senior writes: | | Russell> I got GRUB working on a dual boot W2k/Debian laptop. My W2k | Russell> is on a FAT32 partition, but I have the impression that it | Russell> wouldn't matter if it was an NTFS because GRUB doesn't just | Russell> chainloads the MS operating systems anyway. | | Damn, that kona koffee mochi is giving me the whirly-birds. That | should read: | | ``because GRUB just chainloads ...'' | | Here's my /boot/grub/menu.lst: [snippage] Thanks for all the info (and to Doug R. and Patrick L.). I'll try to get around to trying it one of these days. For now, it was easier for me to munge bits of linux/arch/i386/boot/bootsect.S to bootflop.S, put 'bootflop' on /dev/fd0 (1 sector, the boot sector), and have it read in the MBR from /dev/hdb and jump to it to execute it. Gives me a comfortable LILO menu, quickly. :) This is now working and isn't slow like booting from a floppy is. And it could be useful in a recovery situation if someone is willing to write their boot sector on their second hard drive also (IDE = /dev/hdb only for now, but probably could be modified to support more than this). Oh, and I don't have to struggle thru mkbootdisk over and over again. So does anyone else see this as possibly useful, or is it just me? Thanks, -- ~Randy From judah at opusnet.com Wed Apr 10 05:47:37 2002 From: judah at opusnet.com (Aaron Baer) Date: 09 Apr 2002 22:47:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] HP Pavilion n5135 locks up in X-Windows - Help :) In-Reply-To: <8A9A5F4E6576D511B98F00508B68C20A1A1ABD@orsmsx106.jf.intel.com> References: <8A9A5F4E6576D511B98F00508B68C20A1A1ABD@orsmsx106.jf.intel.com> Message-ID: <1018417680.1647.3.camel@laptop> I have the S3 chipset in my toshiba 8100 and have had a few applications do something similar to my machine aka. staroffice. The work around for that was setting SAL_DO_NOT_USE_INVERT50=true in my .bashrc file. You might try that. Also make sure that you are using the "savage" driver in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. Your device Section should look something like this. Section "Device" # no known options Identifier "S3 Savage (generic)" Driver "savage" VendorName "S3 Savage (generic)" BoardName "S3 Savage (generic)" #BusID EndSection A- On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 14:49, Abdul-Khaliq, Rushdan wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if anyone has any experience working with Linux on laptops. > > > I have an HP Pavilion n5135 that I installed RH7.2, SUSE 7.3, Mandrake > 8.1/8.2 and always come across the same issue - the system locks up while > working in X-Windows. I am not doing anything out of the ordinary with the > installs, just default install, ... using OS embedded S3 video drivers. > When I start the X-Window session, it will normally work for about 10 > minutes and then all of a sudden the system will lock-up, at this point you > cannot even switch to a console, you have to reboot to recover. At first I > thought that maybe it was the meager 64MB RAM I had installed, but after > upgrading to 256MB I still have the issue. I also tried looking for > instructions on the Linux for Laptops site > (http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hp.html), but the link for the HP n5135 was > broken :( > > I started experimenting with Linux about 3 months back, wiping out my OEM > installed WinME laptop and installing Linux was an attempt at to completely > imerse myself in the OS so as to speed the learing process, however not > being able to work with the GUI is plain frustrating. > > Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Rushdan. > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- ---- Aaron Baer judah at opusnet.com http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/ From codeyeti at yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 05:56:33 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:56:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] HP Pavilion n5135 locks up in X-Windows - Help :) References: <8A9A5F4E6576D511B98F00508B68C20A1A1ABD@orsmsx106.jf.intel.com> Message-ID: <3CB3D405.94D47D7B@yahoo.com> The only problem that I've had with X killing the system was with a Matrox Mellinium that didn't recognize the right amount of video memory, usually right after I started to put it on a high graphics load (running a couple of windows and mozilla should do nicely) that took about 10 minutes after X started up. If you're using X v4.x, have a look-see at /var/log/X* and go to the point where the server says how much memory it found. If it's not getting the right stuff, then you have to explicitly state it in the /etc/XFree86.conf. "Abdul-Khaliq, Rushdan" wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if anyone has any experience working with Linux on laptops. > > I have an HP Pavilion n5135 that I installed RH7.2, SUSE 7.3, Mandrake > 8.1/8.2 and always come across the same issue - the system locks up while > working in X-Windows. I am not doing anything out of the ordinary with the > installs, just default install, ... using OS embedded S3 video drivers. > When I start the X-Window session, it will normally work for about 10 > minutes and then all of a sudden the system will lock-up, at this point you > cannot even switch to a console, you have to reboot to recover. At first I > thought that maybe it was the meager 64MB RAM I had installed, but after > upgrading to 256MB I still have the issue. I also tried looking for > instructions on the Linux for Laptops site > (http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hp.html), but the link for the HP n5135 was > broken :( From codeyeti at yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 05:59:43 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:59:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] kde 3.0 locking up References: <3CB32661.103A64C@anodizing.com> <20020409112933.S5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <3CB3492F.F0CE1380@anodizing.com> Message-ID: <3CB3D4C3.3C888E26@yahoo.com> For the record, do you have an entry for azfamily in /etc/hosts? Just because $HOSTNAME is in the environment, it doesn't mean that the name can be resolved to an IP address. Abraham Zwygart wrote: > I also am having printer problems. When I had kde 2.2 on RH 7.2 > it was working, until I installed a new network card that linux likes. > This allow me to get on the cable modem (which is great) but > my printer stooped working at that time. The error at bootup is: > lpd get_host_name bad host name 'azfamily' > but if I type in hostname in the shell it gives me 'azfamily'?? > Other then that I have not been working on the problem. Thinking > of installing cups to see if that helps? > > Abraham Z. From creelan at engr.orst.edu Wed Apr 10 06:10:40 2002 From: creelan at engr.orst.edu (Tyler F. Creelan) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I intend to use it only to read winWord docs sent > to me and to work with templates created in winWord. Please do not accept word documents if they are emailed to you! It is possible to work around this inconvenience, but you would do the free software community, Mac Users, WordPerfect Users and everyone non-Microsft a big favor by rejecting them! For example, see what Stallman writes at: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Personally I send out the message below. I used to worry about whether this was impolite or not, but then I realized it was far more impolite to let people continue sending word attachments without being aware of the issues. Yes, I've sent this to my boss, and my boss's boss, professors, even prospective employers. I've almost always gotten a positive response. This is a serious issue: if you can, please pitch in and reject word attachments. -------- You sent the attachment in Microsoft Word format, a secret proprietary format, so I cannot read it. If you send me the document in plain text, HTML, or PDF, then I can read it. Sending people documents in Word format has unintended effects, placing pressure on them to use Microsoft software. This is a major obstacle to the broader adoption of free software. Would you please reconsider the use of Word format for communication with other people? Converting the file to HTML is simple. Open the document, click on "File", then "Save As", and in the "Save As Type" box choose "HTML Document". Then choose "Save". You may then attach the new HTML document instead of a Word document. Thanks! -------- On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Mark Morgan wrote: > > > I did run it and found it slower than the 6.0 beta with fewer fonts, but > > I haven't played with it that much. I'm still not sure. > > Mark, > > Thanks for the insight. I intend to use it only to read winWord docs sent > to me and to work with templates created in winWord. It (and StarOffice) are > far too slow and clunky for my production writing. I use emacs or joe for > that and then put the final touches on in LyX or WordPerfect (depending on > the purpose). > > Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From krisa at subtend.net Wed Apr 10 07:10:51 2002 From: krisa at subtend.net (Kris) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:10:51 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020410071050.GA4362@subtend.net> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:10:40PM -0700, Tyler F. Creelan wrote: > You sent the attachment in Microsoft Word format, a secret proprietary > format, so I cannot read it. If you send me the document in plain > text, HTML, or PDF, then I can read it. Is PDF an open standard? I tend to think of Adobe as evil when it comes to free software. -- I'm just a packet pusher. From jeme at brelin.net Wed Apr 10 07:14:17 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments In-Reply-To: <20020410071050.GA4362@subtend.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Kris wrote: > Is PDF an open standard? I tend to think of Adobe as evil when it > comes to free software. PDF is published, if not open. Adobe is only slightly more evil than any other proprietary software vendor because of their support for "copy control" technologies. They've been pretty hit and miss with their policies. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From mikedela at ipns.com Wed Apr 10 07:22:18 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (mikedela) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:22:18 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003a01c1e060$72947a20$020aa8c0@mike> BIG differences, though. We get to know the answers to those mysteries, M$ users never get to know the answers, and only discover that the mysteries exist after paying through the nose. ___________________ Mike De La Mater www.theplatinumrule.com mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Kenneth G. Stephens Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 6:24 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: RE: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem The mysteries of Linux. If the other OS's have them, why can't Linux? Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Rick Konold > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:48 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Samba newbie smbstatus problem > > > On Monday 08 April 2002 21:00, you hammered the keyboard to write: > > Just touch /var/lock/samba/STATUS..LCK and magically smbstatus works. > > > > Ken > > Hey, that worked like a charm...but it begs the question, why > didn't samba > create that file when I installed it? I don't recall anything > about that in > the README or INSTALL.TXT, but of course that was over a year > ago, and I have > forgotten most of what I read yesterday :) > -- > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Rick Konold ~~ Linux Advocate > In a world without fences we don't need Gates. > This message brought to you by KMail on Linux RedHat 7.2 > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From dave at pakled.mmcc.cx Wed Apr 10 07:38:31 2002 From: dave at pakled.mmcc.cx (Dave) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:38:31 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1018424311.3cb3ebf71e246@192.168.1.15> My initial reaction to seeing 'Attachments bleh.doc (application/x-msword)' is annoyance. But you know what? I figure anyone sending me a word document is sending me some information I really want (.. or infected with ILOVEYOU or spinoff ..). So instead of placing any real weight on what RMS says with regard to zealotry, I visit freshmeat and do a quick search. http://freshmeat.net/projects/antiword/ These sorts of things I consider far, far better for the open-source community that stubborn refusal to play nice with others. Sure, in the realm of MS Word documents, it puts the open source community 'one step behind'. But then, how many windows-based tools for (La)TeX do you see? We've got our hard-to- implement standards, windows has theirs. In a perfect world, we'd all be using CSS and XML for everything. ;) -Dave Quoting "Tyler F. Creelan" : > > I intend to use it only to read winWord docs sent > > to me and to work with templates created in winWord. > > > Please do not accept word documents if they are emailed to you! > > It is possible to work around this inconvenience, but you would do the > free software community, Mac Users, WordPerfect Users and everyone > non-Microsft a big favor by rejecting them! For example, see what Stallman > writes at: > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > Personally I send out the message below. I used to worry about whether > this was impolite or not, but then I realized it was far more impolite > to let people continue sending word attachments without being aware of the > issues. Yes, I've sent this to my boss, and my boss's boss, professors, > even prospective employers. I've almost always gotten a positive response. > This is a serious issue: if you can, please pitch in and reject word > attachments. From jeme at brelin.net Wed Apr 10 07:51:28 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments In-Reply-To: <1018424311.3cb3ebf71e246@192.168.1.15> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Dave wrote: > My initial reaction to seeing 'Attachments bleh.doc > (application/x-msword)' is annoyance. But you know what? I figure > anyone sending me a word document is sending me some information I > really want (.. or infected with ILOVEYOU or spinoff ..). How is sending you a word document more indicative of information you really want than any other kind of email message? > So instead of placing any real weight on what RMS says with regard to > zealotry, I visit freshmeat and do a quick search. > > http://freshmeat.net/projects/antiword/ > > These sorts of things I consider far, far better for the open-source > community that stubborn refusal to play nice with others. It's not a refusal to play nice with others, it's a recognition of the fact that Microsoft refuses to play nice with others. And, as members of the tecnical elite or the Free Software community, we are probably better informed about the nature of the systems used by the majority and, more importantly, more aware of the alternatives. We have a responsibility to share that knowledge and help people to see the damage they are doing to themselves and others by perpetuating proprietary document formats. > Sure, in the realm of MS Word documents, it puts the open source > community 'one step behind'. Good development time that could be spent developing BETTER infrastructure is wasted trying to reverse-engineer secrets nobody really needs to learn. We avoid the whole mess by just using open document formats. > But then, how many windows-based tools for (La)TeX do you see? Plenty in the publishing world, where TeX belongs. > We've got our hard-to- implement standards, windows has theirs. There's a difference between something that is hard to implement because it is necessarily complex and something that is hard to implement because it was obfuscated at design-time. Also note that TeX is a kind of markup language that is stored in plaintext files, easily accessed by any computer system in the world. > In a perfect world, we'd all be using CSS and XML for everything. ;) No, in a perfect world, we would have an appropriate data format for each task, but that format would be published and open. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From dave at pakled.mmcc.cx Wed Apr 10 09:57:56 2002 From: dave at pakled.mmcc.cx (Dave) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 02:57:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1018432676.3cb40ca462807@192.168.1.15> This probably, should be moved to a private forum before it spills into something someone complains about. -Dave Quoting Jeme A Brelin : > How is sending you a word document more indicative of information you > really want than any other kind of email message? Keeping the discussion on the topic of email, and attachments, rarely to people randomly attach documents of any format and send them to me unless I've specifically asked for 'em. Ie, 'Can I see your resume?' or some equal task in function. > It's not a refusal to play nice with others, it's a recognition of the > fact that Microsoft refuses to play nice with others. > > And, as members of the tecnical elite or the Free Software community, we > are probably better informed about the nature of the systems used by the > majority and, more importantly, more aware of the alternatives. We have a > responsibility to share that knowledge and help people to see the damage > they are doing to themselves and others by perpetuating proprietary > document formats. Maybe it's because I'm not a purist and I don't believe that there's one solution to everything. But as reality stands right now, there's certain accepted standards for certain things. In the world of business, realisticly, if the word processing application you're using can't or won't work with the MS Word format, you're cut off. Sure, I would love to see everyone using a decent, open standard (RTF springs to mind) and when in a position to, I'll certainly take a moment out of my day to educate a user on why splarnking word documents about isn't the most productive process in the world. Shortly thereafter, they will look at me a little funny and say, 'So I click on the *paperclip* to send an attachment?' and a small part of me will weep for humanity as I nod. > > Sure, in the realm of MS Word documents, it puts the open source > > community 'one step behind'. > > Good development time that could be spent developing BETTER infrastructure > is wasted trying to reverse-engineer secrets nobody really needs to learn. > > We avoid the whole mess by just using open document formats. Agreed. Except when I really want to read a MS Word 2150 (scheduled for release next week) document that some random-but-important person sent me while in X. > > But then, how many windows-based tools for (La)TeX do you see? > > Plenty in the publishing world, where TeX belongs. On a side-side note, I was looking for something similar to xdvi for win32 several months ago. All I found was some app I couldn't remember the name of that worked for win311 and 95 OSR1. It'd still be nice to have, if anyone's got a URL or seven. ;) From jeme at brelin.net Wed Apr 10 11:09:29 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments In-Reply-To: <1018432676.3cb40ca462807@192.168.1.15> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Dave wrote: > Maybe it's because I'm not a purist and I don't believe that there's > one solution to everything. Really? I thought you said it was CSS and XML. But seriously, I don't see what you're saying there. We're not talking about "one solution to everything", we're talking about keeping our documents in an open format so that they will be accessible by the broadest spectrum of people... including those that come a century after us. > But as reality stands right now, there's certain accepted standards > for certain things. In the world of business, realisticly, if the > word processing application you're using can't or won't work with the > MS Word format, you're cut off. That's absolutely not true. In fact, we can make it exactly the opposite by returning proprietary documents and requesting them in an open format. In that way, those who cannot communicate in a free way are cut off from communication. They can listen, but they cannot speak. They are forced into passivity. > Sure, I would love to see everyone using a decent, open standard (RTF > springs to mind) and when in a position to, I'll certainly take a > moment out of my day to educate a user on why splarnking word > documents about isn't the most productive process in the world. You're always in a position to do that. > Shortly thereafter, they will look at me a little funny and say, 'So I > click on the *paperclip* to send an attachment?' and a small part of > me will weep for humanity as I nod. Yeah, ok... you're so much better than the unwashed masses. They are all sheep who cannot learn and it is you were handed the divine crook to shepard these people as best you can. > > We avoid the whole mess by just using open document formats. > > Agreed. Except when I really want to read a MS Word 2150 (scheduled > for release next week) document that some random-but-important person > sent me while in X. Well, that's the really important issue. Do you WANT to read the MS Word 2150 document or do you want to read the information expressed in the MS Word 2150 document? They are separable. So send the crap back and get only what you want. It's like using stevia instead of sugar. I want the sweet, but not the tooth decay. Or better yet, like sitting in the non-smoking section of a restaurant. I want the food, but not the cancer. There are enough of us to make them stop. Hell, we've done a pretty darn good job of stopping HTML mail. Sure, it gets through, but compared to the number of clients designed to produce the stuff, we hardly see any outside of spam. Is it possible to change the default document format in Word? Perhaps someone should write a macro virus that does that. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 13:04:56 2002 From: jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com (Jon Jacob) Date: 10 Apr 2002 06:04:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1018443897.1544.63.camel@lana.manymoons.net> I am not sure anyone has really addressed your exact question, so here is my shot. I just installed Win98 on my machine, but want it to dual boot. Here are my two options as I see it. 1) Move the drive that is now /dev/hda to /dev/hbb and install linux on a newly installed drive at hda with lilo offering access to either system This has worked for me in the past. 2) Change my bios to boot from the primary slawe and install linux there with lilo pointing to both systems. I am not positive this second way would work, but it might. Hope that helps. On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 14:19, Randy.Dunlap wrote: > > Hi, > > At home I have Win2K/NTFS on /dev/hda (or C:, for family use) > and Linux on /dev/hdb. > Currently I boot Linux from floppy (s.l.o.w). > > Is there a decent solution for booting Linux on /dev/hdb > without using a floppy? (gosh I hope so) > > According to some dual boot web pages and HOWTOs, LILO > can't boot from an NTFS partition, but I tried it anyway, > and got "LIL-"....dead. > > Thanks, > -- > ~Randy > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jeme at brelin.net Wed Apr 10 13:28:59 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb In-Reply-To: <1018443897.1544.63.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: On 10 Apr 2002, Jon Jacob wrote: > I am not sure anyone has really addressed your exact question, so here > is my shot. > > I just installed Win98 on my machine, but want it to dual boot. Here > are my two options as I see it. > > 1) Move the drive that is now /dev/hda to /dev/hbb and install linux > on a newly installed drive at hda with lilo offering access to either > system > > This has worked for me in the past. > > 2) Change my bios to boot from the primary slawe and install linux > there with lilo pointing to both systems. > > I am not positive this second way would work, but it might. > > Hope that helps. Why would you bother with all that? Just install Windows on the primary master (if you must), then install your GNU/Linux system on the primary slave. Then, when it comes time to run Lilo, you modify your lilo.conf to note the Windows drive on the primary master and go. You shouldn't have to move drives OR change the bios. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Apr 10 13:32:24 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments In-Reply-To: <1018424311.3cb3ebf71e246@192.168.1.15> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Dave wrote: > But then, how many windows-based tools for (La)TeX do you see? One: LyX. > We've got our hard-to- implement standards, windows has theirs. In a > perfect world, we'd all be using CSS and XML for everything. ;) We would? Not I! Rich From jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 13:33:00 2002 From: jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com (Jon Jacob) Date: 10 Apr 2002 06:33:00 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OT: PLUG = SPAM Message-ID: <1018445581.2186.71.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Well, it is getting to the point that I am about to leave the list. I give this one plea and make my decision on the reaction I get. This list is getting to be more like SPAM every day. Some peeves: 1) Why post if you don't have the answer or direct related experience More and more, people are posting with responses that have little to do with the specifics of the post. Please people, read the original post and if it is a technical question and you have knowledge exactly about what the poster is requesting, then go for it. If not, don't post just to say, "well, I don't know" or "I don't know about that, but I did this once." Keep on topic. 2) After two or three people have responded, there is no reason to respond, "me too". Too often I see threads that are 10-12 posts long with nothing more than a vote of confidence. 3) Get that god damn chip off your shoulder. Yes, windows sucks. We all agree. Not can we talk about something else. This should be a list for people who need help, can offer help, or want to talk about technical details. Does there need to be all this crap about how we should be rejecting windows. Fine we all agree. Move on with your life. My rant is done. Let the flames begin..... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jeme at brelin.net Wed Apr 10 13:50:08 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] OT: PLUG = SPAM In-Reply-To: <1018445581.2186.71.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: On 10 Apr 2002, Jon Jacob wrote: > 1) Why post if you don't have the answer or direct related experience > > More and more, people are posting with responses that have little to do > with the specifics of the post. Please people, read the original post > and if it is a technical question and you have knowledge exactly about > what the poster is requesting, then go for it. If not, don't post just > to say, "well, I don't know" or "I don't know about that, but I did this > once." Keep on topic. Was this related to my response to your post a moment ago? I read your recommendations and they seemed very odd because I've installed a GNU/Linux system on a primary slave with another OS on the primary master many times without having to move drives or change the BIOS. I was always able to use LILO as a bootloader installed in the MBR of the primary master in that situation. > 2) After two or three people have responded, there is no reason to > respond, "me too". > > Too often I see threads that are 10-12 posts long with nothing more than > a vote of confidence. Well, why don't you just list nanny and we'll send everything to you for approval before we discuss things in this open forum. > 3) Get that god damn chip off your shoulder. > > Yes, windows sucks. We all agree. Not can we talk about something > else. This should be a list for people who need help, can offer help, > or want to talk about technical details. Does there need to be all > this crap about how we should be rejecting windows. Fine we all > agree. Move on with your life. Well, I disagree with your assessment of the purpose of this list. And while I'll agree that threads about bad Windows experiences or poor performance or whatever are tedious and decidedly off-topic, I think that the recent discussion on proprietary document formats is far beyond a "Windows sucks"-type of argument. For many of us, the fight against proprietary software isn't merely a fight against crappy applications and operating systems, but a fundamental clash of ideologies that mean the difference between a free world and tyranny. I think discussions about how to evangelize and promote Free Software and the ideas it carries are certainly germaine to this list. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From jeme at brelin.net Wed Apr 10 13:53:56 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb In-Reply-To: <1018443897.1544.63.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 14:19, Randy.Dunlap wrote: > At home I have Win2K/NTFS on /dev/hda (or C:, for family use) and > Linux on /dev/hdb. > Currently I boot Linux from floppy (s.l.o.w). > > Is there a decent solution for booting Linux on /dev/hdb without using > a floppy? (gosh I hope so) > > According to some dual boot web pages and HOWTOs, LILO can't boot from > an NTFS partition, but I tried it anyway, and got "LIL-"....dead. How did you then recover your Win2K boot sector? One option is install LILO in the boot record of the partition that holds /boot rather than in the MBR of the primary disk, then use dd to write the boot record of that partition to a file. You can move that file to your Win2K partition and point the Win2K Boot Loader at that file. The drawback is that you'll have to repeat that process every time you upgrade your kernel. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From mashanti at voaor.org Wed Apr 10 14:45:50 2002 From: mashanti at voaor.org (mashanti at voaor.org) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I use OpenOffice-641 frequently. It is quite handy when I receive Msword documents as attachments. There are times when I must produce documents with a more polished look than a text editor will provide. OpenOffice has been perfect. And yes, it does take a bit of time to load, but the result is worth it. I have use abiword, gnomepad, and kword. OpenOffice seems more stable than kword (crashed alot). My preference is still pico, but OpenOffice is great when I need it. Happy hunting. Malaika From merlyn at stonehenge.com Wed Apr 10 14:34:03 2002 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: 10 Apr 2002 07:34:03 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments References: Message-ID: >>>>> "Kris" == Kris writes: Kris> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:10:40PM -0700, Tyler F. Creelan wrote: >> You sent the attachment in Microsoft Word format, a secret proprietary >> format, so I cannot read it. If you send me the document in plain >> text, HTML, or PDF, then I can read it. Kris> Is PDF an open standard? I tend to think of Adobe as evil when it comes Kris> to free software. xpdf has existed for a long time, as has "convert FOO.pdf BAR.tiff". The format is open and documented, but you have to have most of a Postscript(tm) Renderer to do any useful examination. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From lemming at attbi.com Wed Apr 10 14:44:18 2002 From: lemming at attbi.com (lemming at attbi.com) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:44:18 +0000 Subject: [PLUG] OT: PLUG = SPAM Message-ID: <20020410144419.NPFP21252.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> The problem is, it's not like we haven't heard it before. The open office question was valid. I don't like getting Word docs, but I don't ram my choice down other people's throat. By not answering the question, but by deflecting it with "You should be doing this" you can bury a real answer. > > Yes, windows sucks. We all agree. Not can we talk about something > > else. This should be a list for people who need help, can offer help, > > or want to talk about technical details. Does there need to be all > > this crap about how we should be rejecting windows. Fine we all > > agree. Move on with your life. > > Well, I disagree with your assessment of the purpose of this list. > > And while I'll agree that threads about bad Windows experiences or poor > performance or whatever are tedious and decidedly off-topic, I think that > the recent discussion on proprietary document formats is far beyond a > "Windows sucks"-type of argument. For many of us, the fight against > proprietary software isn't merely a fight against crappy applications and > operating systems, but a fundamental clash of ideologies that mean the > difference between a free world and tyranny. > > I think discussions about how to evangelize and promote Free Software and > the ideas it carries are certainly germaine to this list. From jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 14:41:58 2002 From: jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com (Jon Jacob) Date: 10 Apr 2002 07:41:58 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OT: PLUG = SPAM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1018449719.2186.81.camel@lana.manymoons.net> 1) Actually, your response to my post made sense, but I think this should be discussed in that thread. 2) Jeme said, "Well, why don't you just list nanny and we'll send everything to you for approval before we discuss things in this open forum." Jeme, your snide comment really illustrated my first point, which was -- if you remember -- about answering concerns and questions directly. Your comment simply does not do that. Thanking for such a timely response. 3) Regarding my concern for getting away from "windows" bashing, you responded with, "the fight against proprietary software isn't merely a fight against crappy applications and operating systems, but a fundamental clash of ideologies that mean the difference between a free world and tyranny." Wow, might big task for such a small list. Fair enough though, perhaps this wasn't not clear to me. When I joined the list over a year ago I found it to be an excellent source of help when I had issues with my operating system or software related to my operating system. I did not realize that I had enlisted in a noble fight to the death against world tyranny. My mistake. Perhaps, I should find another list where linux is fun and world tyranny is something we found against in WWII. You tell me. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From hsmythe at mmresources.com Wed Apr 10 14:49:41 2002 From: hsmythe at mmresources.com (Harvey Smythe) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:49:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Get a life. Harv -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Tyler F. Creelan Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:11 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments > I intend to use it only to read winWord docs sent > to me and to work with templates created in winWord. Please do not accept word documents if they are emailed to you! It is possible to work around this inconvenience, but you would do the free software community, Mac Users, WordPerfect Users and everyone non-Microsft a big favor by rejecting them! For example, see what Stallman writes at: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Personally I send out the message below. I used to worry about whether this was impolite or not, but then I realized it was far more impolite to let people continue sending word attachments without being aware of the issues. Yes, I've sent this to my boss, and my boss's boss, professors, even prospective employers. I've almost always gotten a positive response. This is a serious issue: if you can, please pitch in and reject word attachments. -------- You sent the attachment in Microsoft Word format, a secret proprietary format, so I cannot read it. If you send me the document in plain text, HTML, or PDF, then I can read it. Sending people documents in Word format has unintended effects, placing pressure on them to use Microsoft software. This is a major obstacle to the broader adoption of free software. Would you please reconsider the use of Word format for communication with other people? Converting the file to HTML is simple. Open the document, click on "File", then "Save As", and in the "Save As Type" box choose "HTML Document". Then choose "Save". You may then attach the new HTML document instead of a Word document. Thanks! -------- On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Mark Morgan wrote: > > > I did run it and found it slower than the 6.0 beta with fewer fonts, but > > I haven't played with it that much. I'm still not sure. > > Mark, > > Thanks for the insight. I intend to use it only to read winWord docs sent > to me and to work with templates created in winWord. It (and StarOffice) are > far too slow and clunky for my production writing. I use emacs or joe for > that and then put the final touches on in LyX or WordPerfect (depending on > the purpose). > > Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From ziggy at anodizing.com Wed Apr 10 15:12:08 2002 From: ziggy at anodizing.com (Abraham Zwygart) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:12:08 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] kde 3.0 locking up solved References: <000001c1dfed$694901c0$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: <3CB45648.1F5FAF41@anodizing.com> I got kde 3.0 up and looks like it is working correctly. I got tired of the error messages and issued to following command: rpm -Uivh kde* --force --nodeps Then I started kde and everything worked. I played on it for about 2 hours and it did not lockup once. yaaa As my dad says 'Some times the sledgehammer is the correct tool.' Robbert van Andel wrote: > This isn't an answer to your question, unfortunately. But I'm curious > how you got KDE 3.0 and how you installed it. I've only been running > Linux for 4 months and have never done an upgrade like this. > > Robbert van Andel > Start at: ftp://download.us.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.0 Pick the distribution you are on. I have rh 7.2 and this is where I started down loading: ftp://download.us.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.0/Red%20Hat/i386 Note: You do not need to down load all the files! There are readmes at www.kde.org that can help you. If you wish I can give you a list of the files that I down loaded. Not sure if they are the correct ones. Abraham Z. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ | SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator | 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy at anodizing.com | Portland, OR 97211 | Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 | | The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine | and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From don at truedisk.com Wed Apr 10 16:14:55 2002 From: don at truedisk.com (Don Buchholz) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:14:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 References: Message-ID: <3CB464FF.17D02948@truedisk.com> Rich Shepard wrote: > > Has anyone here worked with open office? I just downloaded and installed > build 641 and I wonder if it's more capable than StarOffice-5.2. It seems to > take as long to load. Sigh. Any comments or insights are solicited. > > Thanks, > > Rich > Yes, I have. I'm not sure it's worth upgrading from StarOffice 5.2 (although now that I've converted some important files to the new *.sxc format, I'm committed to the new version). I've had some trouble with the Postscript generated by StarCalc. It's generated the same error message on both the Lexmark Optra here (a PostScript(r)) printer), and my home system, which uses RedHat 7.1 to convert PS -> PCL. I also tried the drawing application a while (1-2 weeks) ago, and found that it could create only squares, and not rectangles! (I can't compare this experience with SOffice 5.2 ... never tried the drawing app there). -- - Don Buchholz - TrueDisk, 7431 NW Evergreen Pkwy - #110, Hillsboro, OR 97124 - voice: 503/615-0888 x266 FAX: 503/693-0873 From don at truedisk.com Wed Apr 10 16:17:44 2002 From: don at truedisk.com (Don Buchholz) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:17:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 References: Message-ID: <3CB465A8.5E711EFA@truedisk.com> Rich Shepard wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Mark Morgan wrote: > > > I did run it and found it slower than the 6.0 beta with fewer fonts, but > > I haven't played with it that much. I'm still not sure. > > Mark, > > Thanks for the insight. I intend to use it only to read winWord docs sent > to me and to work with templates created in winWord. It (and StarOffice) are > far too slow and clunky for my production writing. I use emacs or joe for > that and then put the final touches on in LyX or WordPerfect (depending on > the purpose). > > Rich > Ummm, just curious, Rich, what do you do for a spreadsheet? *That* is definately *my* #1 reason for using Star/Open Office. From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Wed Apr 10 16:24:51 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:24:51 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA778@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> > Has anyone here worked with open office? I just downloaded and installed >build 641 and I wonder if it's more capable than StarOffice-5.2. It seems to >take as long to load. Sigh. Any comments or insights are solicited. I have it installed at work on a win2k box. It seems to work fine except for one thing. We have files that are password protected in Excel so that only people who know the pass word can modify them. Open Office will not open these files. I would guess that the programmers can't figure out how to encript the pass word to compare with the pass word in the file. From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Apr 10 16:28:51 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 In-Reply-To: <3CB464FF.17D02948@truedisk.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Don Buchholz wrote: > I've had some trouble with the Postscript generated by StarCalc. It's > generated the same error message on both the Lexmark Optra here (a > PostScript(r)) printer), and my home system, which uses RedHat 7.1 to > convert PS -> PCL. Thanks, Don. I want only processed words from it, and from documents sent to me in winWord format (or when I have to send a client or regulator a digital copy of what I've written). For spreading sheets I use XessSE (which reads .xls just fine). > I also tried the drawing application a while (1-2 weeks) ago, and found > that it could create only squares, and not rectangles! (I can't compare > this experience with SOffice 5.2 ... never tried the drawing app there). Among the GIMP, XessSE, Gri and MagicPoint I have all the drawing and presentation tools I need. What's strange about printing from SO-5.2 here is that it does not have a printer definition for the HP LaserJet 5 and does not recognize the duplexer under it. So I use a HP 4MX (PostScript) definition and let CUPS handle the double-sided printing. Works well for me. Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Apr 10 16:34:49 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 In-Reply-To: <3CB465A8.5E711EFA@truedisk.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Don Buchholz wrote: > Ummm, just curious, Rich, what do you do for a spreadsheet? > *That* is definately *my* #1 reason for using Star/Open Office. I use XessSE from Applied Information Systems in North Carolina. I bought a copy (upgrading from XessLite) in a local store for $69, then bought another license from them (directly) to use on a second workstation here. They are a highly responsive vendor. I've found quite a few bugs and inconsistencies that I've reported to their tech support. They're usually fixed within a few days to a week and they tell me where to download the patched exectuable via ftp. A small company (3-6 employees) and I like doing business with them; have for about four years now. Check out to see what they offer. I've done some sophisticated business graphics using their product and have found it a very productive tool that does all I need and more. Rich Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM) 2404 SW 22nd Street | Troutdale, OR 97060-1247 | U.S.A. + 1 503-667-4517 (voice) | + 1 503-667-8863 (fax) | rshepard at appl-ecosys.com http://www.appl-ecosys.com From briand at aracnet.com Wed Apr 10 16:40:06 2002 From: briand at aracnet.com (briand at aracnet.com) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:40:06 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 In-Reply-To: <3CB465A8.5E711EFA@truedisk.com> References: <3CB465A8.5E711EFA@truedisk.com> Message-ID: <15540.27366.79672.150400@soggy.deldotd.com> >>>>> "Don" == Don Buchholz writes: Don> Ummm, just curious, Rich, what do you do for a spreadsheet? Don> *That* is definately *my* #1 reason for using Star/Open Office. I have found gnumeric to do most things I need - although graphing is weak. I'd be interested in knowing why you aren't using it. Brian From derek at infotects.com Wed Apr 10 16:43:31 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:43:31 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb References: Message-ID: <3CB46BB3.137974B2@infotects.com> "Randy.Dunlap" wrote: > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Doug Rosser wrote: > > | > Will grub work? It is a replacement for lilo that > | > is more advanced. I > | > haven't looked into whether it will work with NTFS, > | > though. > | > | I'm using win2k with redhat 7.2 (Call me BorgBoy!) and > | GRUB and everything works superdeeduper. > | > | Install win2k and SP2 BEFORE you install linux, cause > | Bill's minions like to hose the bootloader as a matter > | of principle... > > And Win2K is in an NTFS partition, not FAT-32? > > Are you using 2 hard drives like I described in my > original posting -- hda for Win2K and hdb for Linux? I had a triple boot, win98 (fat32), win2k (NTFS) and debian (ext2), where one disk was for M$ (hda) and one was for linux (hdc). I started with win98, then did win2k, this set up a dual boot using the win2k bootloader. After installing debian, _lilo_ let me choose between the win bootloader and linux. I will have to admit that I couldn't convince lilo to let me choose between the three, but I think that is because win2k actually put its bootloader on the win98 partition (so when I reinstall 98, win2k won't load). I have another system with SUSE and win2k (NTFS) on the same disk, and lilo has _no_ problem with that arrangement. Again, I started with the M$ stuff and installed linux after. Seems like lilo should be able to handle the two different disks. Make a linux boot floppy, M$ will hose the MBR whenever it feels like it (most likely during a security patch). Good Luck Derek Loree From don at truedisk.com Wed Apr 10 16:47:11 2002 From: don at truedisk.com (Don Buchholz) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:47:11 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 References: <3CB465A8.5E711EFA@truedisk.com> <15540.27366.79672.150400@soggy.deldotd.com> Message-ID: <3CB46C8F.BA2960DA@truedisk.com> briand at aracnet.com wrote: > > >>>>> "Don" == Don Buchholz writes: > > Don> Ummm, just curious, Rich, what do you do for a spreadsheet? > Don> *That* is definately *my* #1 reason for using Star/Open Office. > > I have found gnumeric to do most things I need - although graphing is > weak. > > I'd be interested in knowing why you aren't using it. > > Brian > Never learned ... and by the time I was aware of 'gnumeric', I was already using StarOffice 5.1 (5.0?) to deal with the Excel world. - Don From derek at infotects.com Wed Apr 10 16:50:55 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:50:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] distributed computing kit?? References: <86it70ct1y.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <02040917441800.24728@bubba> Message-ID: <3CB46D6F.67882519@infotects.com> Or was it mosix? http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ Doug Rosser wrote: > Were you speaking of the Legion? > > http://legion.virginia.edu > > On Tuesday 09 April 2002 05:10 pm, you wrote: > > I have a vague recollection that I saw somewhere recently (in the last > > month or two) there was a Free Software (or nearly) distributed > > computing kit, that is, some infrastructure for building your own > > system. Does anyone else remember that and have a pointer to what I > > am thinking of? It might have been on slashdot that I saw it, but I > > haven't been able to find it again... or it might have just been my > > imagination. Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From guy1656 at ados.com Wed Apr 10 16:59:05 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:59:05 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Waiting for fuller WORD compatibility... / 98lite info Message-ID: <20020410164914.9AB4B34671@ados.com> Re: MS Word compatibility... Right now I'm using MS Word running in 98Lite within VMWare (on Mandrake 8.2) I used to use StarOffice 5.2, but my boss and colleages use .doc forms based on Word templates which include company logos, header, footer, and checkboxes. 1) MS within VMWare runs Office stuff the same as PCs running WIn+Office. Were this not the case, my boss would have forced me to blow Linux away and join the Evil Empire. Other folks at work still want me to do that . . . 2) When I use S/O 5.2, things look almost the same as in Windoze/Word. But not exactly. When I print (CUPS) from S/O it's WYSIWYG, which means OK but still a bit 'off' compared to Win printing the original Word doc. 3) When I create or modify a .doc file in S/O 5.2 and e-mail it, the guys on the other end say things look very hosed up, what's wrong with you & that Linux crap, etc. I finally believed them when I saved a .doc in S/O 5.2, fired up Word inside VMWare, and opened it myself. Yep - template formatting all messed up, weird color palette in PowerPoint to boot. 4) Installed S/O 6.0 Beta on another Mandrake 8.2 machine. Looks neat, looks like it has lots of publishing features, etc. But it crashes instantly when I try to open an 'original' .doc file. 5) AbiWord was similarly incapable at opening Word docs last time I checked. KWord was hopeless. (Any news on KDE 3.0?) So, all in all, VMWare running MS stuff is the only way I've found to get my job done in Linux. I am wondering about CrossoverOffice, and before I shell out the $80 or whatever, I'm going to try to find out whether it will handle all the fringy bells-n-whistles stuff that MS packs into their documents - like right colors, and these check boxes and frames & thingies . . . GLL PS: I -have- had a great time discovering 98Lite on www.98lite.net (-.com is a trashy site.) This thing, plus the IEradicator freeware, uncouples IE from the rest of the OS (even though MS told the DoJ that couldn't be done.) If you have to run Win somewhere in your network or at sometime on your job or at home, I've had good luck with it so far (and from a novice user that's saying a lot about straighforward installs, transparent ease of use, stability, ease of understanding dialog, errors, etc.) It also allows you to ERASE unused programs and features - for me that meant bye^2 to IE, Access, Outlook, Net-whatever-that-was, all in all about 80MB of junk. Then it runs 3 - 4 times faster than Win98 - whee! From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Wed Apr 10 17:01:53 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:01:53 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA77A@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> >Well, that's the really important issue. Do you WANT to read the MS Word >2150 document or do you want to read the information expressed in the MS >Word 2150 document? They are separable. So send the crap back and get >only what you want. Boy, I have to agree with Jeme, here. However, I don't know that I would have the brass balls to send a message like that to my boss. Sending it to my brother would generate some hostility as he is a M$ nut. Probably worth doing just to aggitate him, though. Are there any managers out there? If one of your employees sent you a message like this would you be annoyed with them? What if they are using company computers that have M$ Office installed on them? >It's like using stevia instead of sugar. I want the sweet, but not the >tooth decay. What the heck is stevia? Do I even want to know? >Or better yet, like sitting in the non-smoking section of a >restaurant. I want the food, but not the cancer. Anyone can quit smoking; it takes a man to face cancer! ;) From briand at aracnet.com Wed Apr 10 17:17:34 2002 From: briand at aracnet.com (briand at aracnet.com) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:17:34 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 In-Reply-To: <3CB46C8F.BA2960DA@truedisk.com> References: <3CB465A8.5E711EFA@truedisk.com> <15540.27366.79672.150400@soggy.deldotd.com> <3CB46C8F.BA2960DA@truedisk.com> Message-ID: <15540.29614.637500.874368@soggy.deldotd.com> >>>>> "Don" == Don Buchholz writes: Don> Never learned ... and by the time I was aware of 'gnumeric', I Don> was already using StarOffice 5.1 (5.0?) to deal with the Excel Don> world. So far, all the excel files I've opened have worked, but none of them were very complicated. However like many people, if I am going to author a m$ format doc, I have to use the real thing. Brian From clifford at crestodina.com Wed Apr 10 17:16:27 2002 From: clifford at crestodina.com (clifford crestodina) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:16:27 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA77A@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: Liking and disliking is just editorial comment. What makes the difference here is to achieve a level of compatibility where the originating software is transparent. Do you care what tool created the web page? Doesn't much matter. Only that you can read it. Microsoft's franchise rests on compatibility - which is both a strength and a weakness. Unlike the AMD vs. Intel battle, these are compatibility issues that we can do something about. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Craighead, Scot D Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:02 PM To: 'plug at lists.pdxlinux.org' Subject: RE: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments >Well, that's the really important issue. Do you WANT to read the MS Word >2150 document or do you want to read the information expressed in the MS >Word 2150 document? They are separable. So send the crap back and get >only what you want. Boy, I have to agree with Jeme, here. However, I don't know that I would have the brass balls to send a message like that to my boss. Sending it to my brother would generate some hostility as he is a M$ nut. Probably worth doing just to aggitate him, though. Are there any managers out there? If one of your employees sent you a message like this would you be annoyed with them? What if they are using company computers that have M$ Office installed on them? >It's like using stevia instead of sugar. I want the sweet, but not the >tooth decay. What the heck is stevia? Do I even want to know? >Or better yet, like sitting in the non-smoking section of a >restaurant. I want the food, but not the cancer. Anyone can quit smoking; it takes a man to face cancer! ;) _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From dylan at dylanreinhardt.com Wed Apr 10 17:21:04 2002 From: dylan at dylanreinhardt.com (Dylan Reinhardt) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:21:04 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments Message-ID: <3CA368040000BD70@mta07.san.yahoo.com> Rejecting MS Word documents on principle feels like plain old fanaticism. RMS may be brilliant, but I think he's dead-ass wrong on this issue. Some standards are defined by engineers, others are de facto standards defined by widespread usage. MS Word is one of the latter. Word's format is not a secret, in fact it is quite well documented (http://www.myfileformats.com/search.php?name=DOC). Nor is it only supported by one program from one vendor... many products support it. Sure, it's rude for people to assume that .DOC is the lingua franca of e-mail attachments... but is having an editor that can read this format really any different or more inconvenient than supporting SMB networking or having the ability to mount FAT32/NTFS volumes? Linux may well take over the world, but it won't do so by refusing to play nice with others. Dylan From llywrch at agora.rdrop.com Wed Apr 10 17:39:51 2002 From: llywrch at agora.rdrop.com (Geoff Burling) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Mark Morgan wrote: > > > I did run it and found it slower than the 6.0 beta with fewer fonts, but > > I haven't played with it that much. I'm still not sure. > > Mark, > > Thanks for the insight. I intend to use it only to read winWord docs sent > to me and to work with templates created in winWord. It (and StarOffice) are > far too slow and clunky for my production writing. I use emacs or joe for > that and then put the final touches on in LyX or WordPerfect (depending on > the purpose). > A tangential question here. How well does OpenOffice import & export WinWord documents? The reason I ask is that in my last job where I had to use Word extenisvely, I was surprised at just how brittle MSWord documents were: at a certain size, the file would start losing its formatting -- which was also eaisly lost if one merged two or more MSWord documents. It would be a nice solution for those of us forced[*] to use MSWord, if we could export MSWord files into a stable format -- such as TeX or LaTeX -- polish up the document, then import it into MSWord for the PHBs who insisted on MSWord documents. [*] I'm not interested in hearing any arguments on the merits of complying or refusing to comply with obviously braindead instructions from the folks who sign our paychecks. If a PHB wants the report in MSWord, fine he'll get MSWord. But I'm betting that after a while when people wonder why I can produce these MSWord reports quicker & more expertly using this ideologically tainted work-around, it will serve to convert them from the darkness of using MS solutions for everything to actually evaluating the best solution for each individual problem. Geoff From guy1656 at ados.com Wed Apr 10 17:58:45 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:58:45 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OT - Stevia In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA77A@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA77A@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <20020410174854.189CD343A9@ados.com> # >It's like using stevia instead of sugar. I want the sweet, but not the # >tooth decay. # # What the heck is stevia? Do I even want to know? Stevia is an annual herb, about 24 - 30" tall, not from which artificial sweeteners are made. Its leaves, when chewed, taste much sweeter than even cane sugar. So it can be used as an earthy-crunch alternative sweetener to sugar or to artificial, non-nutritive sweeteners. We now return you to your regular /mnt/linux/on-topic. GLL From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Apr 10 18:01:55 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Geoff Burling wrote: > [*] I'm not interested in hearing any arguments on the merits of complying or > refusing to comply with obviously braindead instructions from the folks who > sign our paychecks. If a PHB wants the report in MSWord, fine he'll get > MSWord. But I'm betting that after a while when people wonder why I can > produce these MSWord reports quicker & more expertly using this ideologically > tainted work-around, it will serve to convert them from the darkness of > using MS solutions for everything to actually evaluating the best solution > for each individual problem. As I put the finishing touches on a permit application in SO-5.2 I am again reminded why I so dislike GUI word processors: the stupid software (better yet, the coders) think that they're smarter than I am. I'm entering site location in lat/lon, and SO insists on using an inverted, open apostrophy for the minutes symbol (') instead of a simple, closing apostrophe. It uses no context checking, but it insists on doing things its way. 99% of the time, that's *not* what I want, need or intend. But, I cannot change it. There are many components to productivity. I've yet to find any in Windows products. But, that may be because I don't work in them all day, every day. } /* rant */ Rich From alex at daniloff.com Wed Apr 10 18:11:22 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:11:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments In-Reply-To: <3CA368040000BD70@mta07.san.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200204101811.g3AIBMn09948@gate.daniloff.com> Hello Linux folkz, The main ussue is not in Linux whether it can play nice with others or not. The issue is in .DOC .XLS .PPT .MDB .LDB and other M$ formats. Almost every new issue of M$ Office doesn't play well with its own files created with older versions of itself and other way around. Especially, if these files were created with a lot macros and links. This problem became a nightmare for our facility and department. Almost all engineering data and analysis created ten and more years back and saved in earlier versions of Excell, Power Point, Access and some Word documents became inaccessible for M$ Office XP and 97. Literally speaking our management started to pull hair on their asses. Hey, they even proposed to set up a few good old DOS boxes to read files created with Word/Excel 3.11. Brilliant idea! Which is failed,because DOS can't cope anymore with modern BIOSes and P4 hardware. In my opinion all these M$ Office formats should be abandoned not only because they are created by our main foe M$ but because they are not mantaining persistancy of itself from version to version. We need document and data formats which have live span close to infinity. Alex > Sure, it's rude for people to assume that .DOC is the lingua franca of e-mail > attachments... but is having an editor that can read this format really > any different or more inconvenient than supporting SMB networking or having > the ability to mount FAT32/NTFS volumes? > > Linux may well take over the world, but it won't do so by refusing to play > nice with others. > > Dylan From lemming at attbi.com Wed Apr 10 18:16:50 2002 From: lemming at attbi.com (lemming at attbi.com) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:16:50 +0000 Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 Message-ID: <20020410181651.UHAY21252.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> I think you can turn that off in Auto Correct. (or quick correct) -mark > the stupid software > (better yet, the coders) think that they're smarter than I am. I'm entering > site location in lat/lon, and SO insists on using an inverted, open > apostrophy for the minutes symbol (') instead of a simple, closing > apostrophe From barryb at proaxis.com Wed Apr 10 18:31:38 2002 From: barryb at proaxis.com (Bill Barry) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:31:38 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 In-Reply-To: ; from llywrch@agora.rdrop.com on Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 10:39:51AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020410113138.A14833@edge> I did a quick search and found a Word to LaTeX converter at http://wvware.sourceforge.net/ as a script called wvLatex. This might fit your needs. Has anyone used this. Does it do a decent job? Bill Barry On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 10:39:51AM -0700, Geoff Burling wrote: > > It would be a nice solution for those of us forced[*] to use MSWord, if we > could export MSWord files into a stable format -- such as TeX or LaTeX -- > polish up the document, then import it into MSWord for the PHBs who insisted > on MSWord documents. > > Geoff From rddunlap at osdl.org Wed Apr 10 18:46:26 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] bootloader for /dev/hdb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Jeme A Brelin wrote: | | On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 14:19, Randy.Dunlap wrote: | > At home I have Win2K/NTFS on /dev/hda (or C:, for family use) and | > Linux on /dev/hdb. | > Currently I boot Linux from floppy (s.l.o.w). | > | > Is there a decent solution for booting Linux on /dev/hdb without using | > a floppy? (gosh I hope so) | > | > According to some dual boot web pages and HOWTOs, LILO can't boot from | > an NTFS partition, but I tried it anyway, and got "LIL-"....dead. | | How did you then recover your Win2K boot sector? dd (had it backed up). | One option is install LILO in the boot record of the partition that holds | /boot rather than in the MBR of the primary disk, then use dd to write the | boot record of that partition to a file. You can move that file to your | Win2K partition and point the Win2K Boot Loader at that file. Yes, I've tried that also, but it failed too. Some web pages that I've read say that this works with FAT partitions on hda but not with NTFS (only) on hda. Maybe I just need a newer LILO. I'll check on that or on grub. | The drawback is that you'll have to repeat that process every time you | upgrade your kernel. Yeah, not satisfactory for me. Thanks, -- ~Randy From bhoran at hexdev.com Wed Apr 10 19:37:50 2002 From: bhoran at hexdev.com (Brian Horan) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:37:50 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments --errata In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020410192026.EBVC1162.imf28bis.bellsouth.net@there> I hate to string along an OT flamewar (or the beginnings of one)...but recent developments and this discussion got me thinking.... ( I apologize in advance for the verbose posting.... ) As most of us may have noticed, when one applies for a job via electronic means, the resume recipient usually requires a M$ Word document.... It strikes me as a little odd when a *NIX person has to use a non-native environment to convey data that pertains to a ''possibly'' non-M$ related job.... To this end, I propose RML -- Resume Markup Language. All I'm presuming is __simple__ XML, no extensive tag attributes, simply a small set of resume-centric tags that data can easily be parsed from.... The idea is that anyone using vi, or a word-processing utility can create this document, and it can easily be parsed by a simple script, expat, or even M$ IE..... I feel this would also enable HR/Staffing departments in that the data is already in a parseable form and could easily be put into whatever systems they are using, rather than the cut-copy-paste systems many HR departments use presently.... If a true DTD is decided upon and agreed on as *standard* I think this could make life a lot easier for both the employer and job hunter..... any comments? for example: (those of you who use HTML-rendering mail clients, may need to "view-source" to see the below bogus example) Joe Smith
123 Fake Street #420
springfield Confusion 12345 jsmith at domain.tld To get a job and become rich, enabling myself to eat catfish... 1/1/01 present dignleberry acres farm picker you can figure out what i did from the previous information. Voted best on team Learned to sing John Deere x509 cert picker blues Bob's School of Picking George waltos 800.555.1212 500 -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com From seant at q7.com Wed Apr 10 19:20:56 2002 From: seant at q7.com (Sean Lewis) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Geoff Burling wrote: > How well does OpenOffice import & export WinWord documents? The reason I ask > is that in my last job where I had to use Word extenisvely, I was surprised > at just how brittle MSWord documents were: at a certain size, the file would > start losing its formatting -- which was also eaisly lost if one merged two > or more MSWord documents. > I work in an M$ shop, and I've never had trouble with formatting on Word conversions with StarOffice. We even use some pretty sophisticated macros for document templates (law practice), and still no conversion problems. Sean From seant at q7.com Wed Apr 10 19:27:28 2002 From: seant at q7.com (Sean Lewis) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments --errata In-Reply-To: <20020410192026.EBVC1162.imf28bis.bellsouth.net@there> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Brian Horan wrote: > As most of us may have noticed, when one applies for a job via electronic > means, the resume recipient usually requires a M$ Word document.... > > It strikes me as a little odd when a *NIX person has to use a non-native > environment to convey data that pertains to a ''possibly'' non-M$ related > job.... > > To this end, I propose RML -- Resume Markup Language. > > All I'm presuming is __simple__ XML, no extensive tag attributes, simply a > small set of resume-centric tags that data can easily be parsed from.... > Neat idea, but why bother? My "main" copy of my resume is in HTML, and I convert from that for a number of formats available for download from my site. M$ Word? I don't care. I run the conversion via StarOffice. BFD. And a Unix job that requires Word-formatted resume? I'd have to consider whether I'd want to work for them, anyway. Sean http://www.q7.com/~seant/ From bhoran at hexdev.com Wed Apr 10 20:04:09 2002 From: bhoran at hexdev.com (Brian Horan) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:04:09 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments --errata In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020410194644.WUCV1154.imf18bis.bellsouth.net@there> On Wednesday 10 April 2002 03:27 pm, you wrote: > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Brian Horan wrote: > > As most of us may have noticed, when one applies for a job via electronic > > means, the resume recipient usually requires a M$ Word document.... > > > > It strikes me as a little odd when a *NIX person has to use a non-native > > environment to convey data that pertains to a ''possibly'' non-M$ related > > job.... > > > > To this end, I propose RML -- Resume Markup Language. > > > > All I'm presuming is __simple__ XML, no extensive tag attributes, simply > > a small set of resume-centric tags that data can easily be parsed > > from.... > > Neat idea, but why bother? My "main" copy of my resume is in HTML, and I > convert from that for a number of formats available for download from my > site. M$ Word? I don't care. I run the conversion via StarOffice. BFD. > > And a Unix job that requires Word-formatted resume? I'd have to consider > whether I'd want to work for them, anyway. > > Sean > http://www.q7.com/~seant/ > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug valid point, One main reason to do this would really be to help HR/Staffing departments with their data management....i.e. the document could easily be dumped into a database without the overhead of having to parse out formatiing information, or as I mentioned earlier, the cut-copy-paste stuff.... -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com From merlyn at stonehenge.com Wed Apr 10 19:51:11 2002 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: 10 Apr 2002 12:51:11 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments --errata References: Message-ID: >>>>> "Brian" == Brian Horan writes: Brian> To this end, I propose RML -- Resume Markup Language. google for "resume dtd" reveals http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/resume-DTD.txt in the third hit. No point in reinventing the wheel if OASIS is already promoting one. Other DTDs of interest are at http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/hrmml.html and http://xmlresume.sourceforge.net/ That last one looks particularly interesting. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From greggrm at attbi.com Wed Apr 10 20:12:51 2002 From: greggrm at attbi.com (Gregg Morris) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:12:51 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15540.40131.688554.893273@rigel.fdns.net> >>>>> "Geoff" == Geoff Burling writes: > A tangential question here. > How well does OpenOffice import & export WinWord documents? The > reason I ask is that in my last job where I had to use Word > extenisvely, I was surprised at just how brittle MSWord > documents were: at a certain size, the file would start losing > its formatting -- which was also eaisly lost if one merged two > or more MSWord documents. My experience with this was that straight-forward documents converted between Word and Star Office fairly seamlessly. But if the document had embedded tables, spreadsheets, or images, much re-formatting was required. Tracking revisions and working on collaborative projects are pretty much problematic too. Gregg ======================================================================== Students achieving Oneness will move on to Twoness. -- Woody Allen From seniorr at aracnet.com Wed Apr 10 20:15:16 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 10 Apr 2002 13:15:16 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments --errata In-Reply-To: <20020410194644.WUCV1154.imf18bis.bellsouth.net@there> References: <20020410194644.WUCV1154.imf18bis.bellsouth.net@there> Message-ID: <86y9fvgvjf.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Brian" == Brian Horan writes: Brian> valid point, One main reason to do this would really be to help Brian> HR/Staffing departments with their data management... I think this is called co-dependency. ;-) -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From iconoklastic at yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 21:09:52 2002 From: iconoklastic at yahoo.com (Robert Kopp) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Hostname Message-ID: <20020410210952.90542.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> What appeared to be a printing problem with Red Hat ("Skipjack") seems to involve hostname assignment. Anyhow, my hostname is apparently "dhcppc2," although I didn't order it. Thus, root at dhcppc2 root> I use a DSL router, which supplies IP addresses by DHCP--perhaps that's why this name was assigned.If you check "DHCP" during installation of Red Hat, all other options are grayed out, unlike some other distributions which still allow you to assign a hostname of your choice. Elsewhere, however, (/etc/hosts, /etc/sysconfig/network) the system is still known as localhost.localdomain. How's Samba? I was getting around to that. It almost makes it Sharename Type Comment --------- ---- -------- IPC$ IPC IPC Service (Samba server) ADMIN$ Disk IPC Service (Samba server) Canon Printer lp Server Comment ------ ------- DHCPPC2 Samba server Workgroup Master --------- ------ MSHOME On the Windows computer's Network Places, "dhcppc2" is there. However, when I click on it, there's a warning that it is not accessible. It's hard to imagine a name uglier than "dhcppc2," but I am willing to go with it if it would solve the problem (for example, by changing the hostname in /etc/sysconfig/network). But I thought I'd ask for advice before doing such dramatic things. ===== Robert "Tim" Kopp http://analytic.tripod.com/ "SAMBA--opening Windows to a wider world." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bhoran at hexdev.com Wed Apr 10 21:33:52 2002 From: bhoran at hexdev.com (Brian Horan) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:33:52 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments --errata In-Reply-To: <86y9fvgvjf.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> References: <20020410194644.WUCV1154.imf18bis.bellsouth.net@there> <86y9fvgvjf.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <20020410211751.NTCK8700.imf11bis.bellsouth.net@there> true... On Wednesday 10 April 2002 04:15 pm, you wrote: > >>>>> "Brian" == Brian Horan writes: > > Brian> valid point, One main reason to do this would really be to help > Brian> HR/Staffing departments with their data management... > > I think this is called co-dependency. ;-) -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com From longman at sharplabs.com Thu Apr 11 00:18:21 2002 From: longman at sharplabs.com (Longman, Bill) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:18:21 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Sendmail 8.10.2 configuration question Message-ID: I have a single physical interface on my Sun: hme0. I have a second (logical) interface (hme0:1) configured on the physical with address 192.168.foo.bar. My hosts file says this: 10.10.11.12 firsthost # hme0 name and address 192.168.foo.bar secondhost # hme0:1 name and address My sendmail.cf file has a line: Fw/etc/mail/local-hostnames And that file says: firsthost secondhost We're getting there, just one more.... A message that I send to person at 192.168.foo.bar has header info that says: Received: from lockbluster at video.com (lockbluster at video.com) [10.10.11.18]) by firsthost (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g82.380034 THE QUESTION: How do I tell sendmail so that in the above Received: line, the host should say "secondhost" instead of "firsthost" since that was the address to which the message was addressed? -- WEL From smathews at pcez.com Thu Apr 11 00:18:16 2002 From: smathews at pcez.com (Stuart Mathews) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:18:16 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Red Hat 7.1 hijacked my printer... Message-ID: <3CB4D647.C1AC6C13@pcez.com> I was simply trying to print a 42-page document from a downloaded PDF file, 7 pages at a time (my HP Deskjet 600C needs to be spoon-fed larger jobs). For some reason, I was unable to print beyond page 13 of that document. When I selected pages 14 - 21 in the Print Range from the print menu of Acrobat Reader, my printer would spit out pages 1 through 7 again. I went to page 21 and tried to print just page 21, but pages 1 - 6 came out again. I killed all print jobs ($ lprm - ) and unplugged my printer for a few minutes, hoping to reset everything. But now all my printer will do is run pages through itself, nonstop, printing strange characters (harts, solid arrows, greek symbols, house-like figures, numbers, circles with odd shapes inside, etc.) along the top edge of each sheet as they pass through until the tray is empty. Hoping to regain control of the situation, I turned the printer off and unplugged it, for 30 minutes, and rebooted my RH box. When I brought everything back online, the printer still will only feed pages through in an uncontrollable fashion, printing those bizzare characters. $ lpq says there are no print jobs. Is there some magical reset switch inside the printer somewhere, or is it time to buy a real printer? From guy1656 at ados.com Thu Apr 11 00:37:18 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:37:18 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Red Hat 7.1 hijacked my printer... DIE!!! In-Reply-To: <3CB4D647.C1AC6C13@pcez.com> References: <3CB4D647.C1AC6C13@pcez.com> Message-ID: <20020411002725.A02E03450F@ados.com> # ... But now all my # printer will do is run pages through itself, nonstop, printing # strange characters (hearts, solid arrows, greek symbols, # house-like figures, numbers, circles with odd shapes inside, # etc.) # # # . . . .or is it time to buy a real printer? After several visits from my good and patient Linux-wizard friend, my 'final solution,' given the value of my time (as wasted in fixing and re-fixing and rebooting and trying again and restoring and re-checking) was to spend $67 on a new printer. Go to your list of supported printer drivers and use that as a shopping criterion. (Let the clerk know that Linux is part of your selection process.) Then watch 'Office Space' for a feel-good suggestion on how to dispose of your disobedient printer. If you have a maul, an anvil, and/or a friend with Class III toys, things can get downright therapeutic. GLL From zot at whiteknighthackers.com Thu Apr 11 00:44:28 2002 From: zot at whiteknighthackers.com (Zot O'Connor) Date: 10 Apr 2002 17:44:28 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Adv topic speaker needed, wine tasting expert? Message-ID: <1018485868.30905.368.camel@kat.zotnet.com> It occurred to me a fun AT would be a "WINE" clinic. This is where people bring in laptops/systems and someone who has gotten many apps to work under WINE describes WINE and we all try to get the largest number of Games ^H^H^H^H^H^ Applications running. Any speakers? -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com From briand at aracnet.com Thu Apr 11 00:48:59 2002 From: briand at aracnet.com (briand at aracnet.com) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:48:59 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Red Hat 7.1 hijacked my printer... In-Reply-To: <3CB4D647.C1AC6C13@pcez.com> References: <3CB4D647.C1AC6C13@pcez.com> Message-ID: <15540.56699.967863.343997@soggy.deldotd.com> --text follows this line-- Stuart> $ lpq says there are no print jobs. Is there some magical Stuart> reset switch inside the printer somewhere, or is it time to Stuart> buy a real printer? No it's time to rant about printing under linux. You have a spool file somewhere. And everytime lpd runs it sees that spool file and starts printing. Since it's printing from the middle of the job, you get garbage. The fact that lpq says it's not there is meaningless. I have seen the same thing, i.e. jobs which continued to print after lpq says they don't exist. In the worst case I have to kill lpd AND unload the printer module to get things back to normal. The question is how to figure out where lpd is getting the file from. You might try lsof. I would set up the printer so that it runs out of paper after the first sheet. Then use lsof or similar to figure out what file is being printed. Get rid of that file and you should be OK. I guess it is possible that it's your printer. In that case get out your manual, leave the printer disconnected from computer, and use the "self-test" sequence to make sure the printer is doing something reasonable. Brian From sandbox at pacifier.com Thu Apr 11 00:49:00 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:49:00 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Red Hat 7.1 hijacked my printer... References: <3CB4D647.C1AC6C13@pcez.com> Message-ID: <3CB4DD7C.7080509@pacifier.com> Stuart Mathews wrote: > I was simply trying to print a 42-page document from a downloaded > PDF file, 7 pages at a time (my HP Deskjet 600C needs to be > spoon-fed larger jobs). For some reason, I was unable to print > beyond page 13 of that document. When I selected pages 14 - 21 > in the Print Range from the print menu of Acrobat Reader, my > printer would spit out pages 1 through 7 again. I have this printer, too, and while I don't use it very often, it hasn't barfed the way yours did. It's connected to a RH 7.0 box. Try using xpdf instead of Acrobat. I always forget to load the paraport_pc module, but I believe the printer does nothing in that case. Check /var/spool/lpd/lp/status.lp for any clues. (Substitute your printer name for `lp` if different.) This is my /etc/printcap ##PRINTTOOL3## LOCAL cdj550 300x300 letter {} DeskJet550 3 1 lp:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :mx#0:\ :lp=/dev/lp0:\ :if=/var/spool/lpd/lp/filter: -- Kyle Accardi From sandbox at pacifier.com Thu Apr 11 01:00:49 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:00:49 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Red Hat 7.1 hijacked my printer... References: <3CB4D647.C1AC6C13@pcez.com> <15540.56699.967863.343997@soggy.deldotd.com> Message-ID: <3CB4E041.2030501@pacifier.com> briand at aracnet.com wrote: > You have a spool file somewhere. And everytime lpd runs it sees that > spool file and starts printing. > The question is how to figure out where lpd is getting the file from. I meant to suggest this. In /etc/printcap for the stanza for your printer, `sd`= spool dir. Go there and rm old jobs (they have long alpha-numeric names.) And, as always, check for updates from RH. Probably under the printconf packages. You may want to run `printconf` again. -- Kyle From krisa at subtend.net Thu Apr 11 01:59:26 2002 From: krisa at subtend.net (Kris) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:59:26 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020411015926.GA10218@subtend.net> I use OpenOffice when I need to handle co-worker documents. At home, 641A-C wouldn't run on my Debian unstable workstation. 641D seems to work, but I had to run 638C before 641D came out. Don't run 641B, it was nasty even on my work RH7.2 box. What puzzles me is I reported a bug, they said it was fixed in their development version (this was before 641D came out) and closed the bug. 641D came out which they say will be 1.0 if they don't find any big issues, and the bug is still present. Humpf. Maybe 642. We have NFS+am-utils and all the users homedirs are under /h/users/. Some of them are symlinks to their personal workstation. When you open a document in OpenOffice, even if you have your working directory as your homedir, it dereferences everything in it's way.. meaning it tries to dereference all those users symlinks to other machines. So you sit and wait for amd to go out and automount everyones remote homedir. With some of them over T1's, it takes ~1-2 minutes just to get an open dialog box. Sort of a big issue.. wonder why they didn't fix it in 641D. :( If you go long enough (say 5 minutes), amd times out the unused mounts, and you get to wait again if you open another document. :(( On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 07:45:50AM -0700, mashanti at voaor.org wrote: > I use OpenOffice-641 frequently. It is quite handy when I receive Msword > documents as attachments. There are times when I must produce documents > with a more polished look than a text editor will provide. OpenOffice has > been perfect. > > And yes, it does take a bit of time to load, but the result is worth it. > > I have use abiword, gnomepad, and kword. OpenOffice seems more stable > than kword (crashed alot). > > My preference is still pico, but OpenOffice is great when I need it. > > Happy hunting. > > Malaika > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- I'm just a packet pusher. From llywrch at agora.rdrop.com Thu Apr 11 02:16:23 2002 From: llywrch at agora.rdrop.com (Geoff Burling) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 In-Reply-To: <20020410113138.A14833@edge> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Bill Barry wrote: > I did a quick search and found a Word to LaTeX converter at > http://wvware.sourceforge.net/ > as a script called wvLatex. This might fit your needs. > Has anyone used this. Does it do a decent job? > Hmm. Your search skills are better than mine. About 6 months ago I looked at rtf2latex (which I found on Freshmeat), which converts from RTF to LaTeX. Now that we have half of the solution, I wonder if anyone has bothered to hack out a LaTeX2Word converter. (Or would anyone that knowledgeable be too afraid of annoying the Boycott MS crowd?) Geoff From barryb at proaxis.com Thu Apr 11 04:16:26 2002 From: barryb at proaxis.com (Bill Barry) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:16:26 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice-641 In-Reply-To: ; from llywrch@agora.rdrop.com on Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 07:16:23PM -0700 References: <20020410113138.A14833@edge> Message-ID: <20020410211626.A16490@edge> I think LaTeX to pdf is a better solution if you must pass around some print ready file. PDF should be more virus free than word docs and there are good pdf viewers for most platforms. But please just use ghostscript to do the conversion to pdf and don't send any money to Adobe. They are still on my boycott list. Bill Barry On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 07:16:23PM -0700, Geoff Burling wrote: > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Bill Barry wrote: > > > I did a quick search and found a Word to LaTeX converter at > > http://wvware.sourceforge.net/ > > as a script called wvLatex. This might fit your needs. > > Has anyone used this. Does it do a decent job? > > > Hmm. Your search skills are better than mine. About 6 months ago > I looked at rtf2latex (which I found on Freshmeat), which converts > from RTF to LaTeX. > > Now that we have half of the solution, I wonder if anyone has > bothered to hack out a LaTeX2Word converter. (Or would anyone > that knowledgeable be too afraid of annoying the Boycott MS crowd?) > > Geoff > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From mikedela at ipns.com Thu Apr 11 04:59:07 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:59:07 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Red Hat 7.1 hijacked my printer... In-Reply-To: <3CB4E041.2030501@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <000001c1e115$9d345560$500aa8c0@miked.ipns.com> Also, have you tried it with the printer cable disconnected, so that you're only checking to see if the printer is as we say in the computer business, fritzed? ___________________ Mike De La Mater www.theplatinumrule.com PC repairs, Network Consulting, Web Services, etc. 25 years experience mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 //// (0 0) ooO (_) Ooo -=-=-=-=-=- Effective Computer Services -=-=-=-=-=- (_) (_) > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Kyle Accardi > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:01 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Red Hat 7.1 hijacked my printer... > > > briand at aracnet.com wrote: > > > You have a spool file somewhere. And everytime lpd runs it > sees that > > spool file and starts printing. > > > > The question is how to figure out where lpd is getting the > file from. > > > I meant to suggest this. In /etc/printcap for the stanza for > your printer, > `sd`= spool dir. Go there and rm old jobs (they have long > alpha-numeric > names.) > > And, as always, check for updates from RH. Probably under > the printconf > packages. You may want to run `printconf` again. > > -- > Kyle > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From markwills58 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 05:25:19 2002 From: markwills58 at yahoo.com (Mark Wills) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:25:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Geek Limericks Message-ID: Sorry if this has already made the rounds: Geek Limericks Finally limericks for techno geeks! ------------------------------------ Luser Named Fred There once was a luser named fred, who one day used grep, awk, and sed. He parsed a huge text stream, used regexps to the extreme, and now his file's tail is its head. ------------------------------------ Blown Circuitry There once was a little transistor who constantly shorted his sister his leads soon grew thin the result of his sin and now he is just a resistor ------------------------------------ A Penguin Named Tux There once was a penguin named Tux, Who noticed that Microsoft sucks. So his OS is free. And will continue to be Because it's not done for the bucks. ------------------------------------ Geek Named Jim There once was a geek named Jim He wrote all his code in vim And try as he might Him did emacs users smite When they Control-W'd him ----------------------------------- Hotmail At one time Hotmail was free Could be accessed without any fee. Then Bill Gates came along No profits? That's gone Now it deletes my e-mail with glee. ------------------------------------ The Good Ol' Days I once owned a 286 With one 1 Meg of RAM and a 20 meg disk I thought it was fast And I had such a blast But looking back, it was as useless as bisque. From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Thu Apr 11 16:45:41 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Ping Message-ID: I've not received any mail today from the list so I'm sending a test. Rich From cp at onsitetech.com Thu Apr 11 16:46:05 2002 From: cp at onsitetech.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:46:05 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Geek Limericks References: Message-ID: <000d01c1e178$600770b0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> My apologies for continuing this, but if we're on the subject of geek poetry, here's a little haiku I wrote in 1999: Is Y2K real? The problem's being solve by Men who can't find dates. -- Cheers, Curtis Poe Senior Programmer ONSITE! Technology, Inc. www.onsitetech.com 503-233-1418 Taking e-Business and Internet Technology To The Extreme! From russj at dimstar.net Thu Apr 11 17:06:00 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:06:00 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Pong In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020411100547.00b3ddf8@localhost> PONG At 09:45 AM 4/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: > I've not received any mail today from the list so I'm sending a test. > >Rich > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net Nostalgia isn't what it used to be From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Thu Apr 11 17:03:28 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Geek Limericks In-Reply-To: <000d01c1e178$600770b0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Curtis Poe wrote: > Is Y2K real? > The problem's being solve by > Men who can't find dates. That's a superior double entendre, Curtis! I bet that you meant it with both meanings. Good work! Rich From dave at pakled.mmcc.cx Thu Apr 11 17:06:41 2002 From: dave at pakled.mmcc.cx (Dave) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:06:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Pong In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020411100547.00b3ddf8@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020411100547.00b3ddf8@localhost> Message-ID: <1018544801.3cb5c2a189908@192.168.1.15> ...the witch is dead? -Dave Quoting Russ Johnson : > PONG > > At 09:45 AM 4/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > I've not received any mail today from the list so I'm sending a test. > > > >Rich From dave at pakled.mmcc.cx Thu Apr 11 17:14:30 2002 From: dave at pakled.mmcc.cx (Dave) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:14:30 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <1018545270.3cb5c4764c876@192.168.1.15> I'm sure some of you've noticed that most of my mail's 'From' come across as 'To: blah at blah.com'. I thought, previously, this was because of a brain- dead client I was far, far too lazy to fix. ;) Turns out, at least, now that I've started to use multiple clients and get the same behaviour, that it's probably not that. The next culprit would be either hobgoblins or postfix. I've glanced at the postfix config, but I'll admit to not knowing really, what it does -- sort of like sendmail.cf, I consider it magic. Any pointers to fixing this? -Dave From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Thu Apr 11 17:26:08 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1018545270.3cb5c4764c876@192.168.1.15> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Dave wrote: > I'm sure some of you've noticed that most of my mail's 'From' come across > as 'To: blah at blah.com'. I thought, previously, this was because of a brain- > dead client I was far, far too lazy to fix. ;) Dave, I *think* I know to what you refer; if I'm wrong I'm sure you'll tell me. When I look at the list of messages in a mail box here (and I use pine as my MUA), every message that I've posted to the list (PLUG or other) shows the list address in the "From" column. It does not show my name. That's perfectly normal. I anguished over this a few years ago until I learned that it was as intended. I find that it makes it much easier for me to find my own postings in a mail box index. :-) Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Thu Apr 11 17:41:53 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] A couple of sendmail questions Message-ID: It occurred to me that with only two users here there's no reason not to use sendmail (already installed and working fine for outbound mail) rather than postfix. From what I've read, as long as I have the latest version and I have "hardened" it (following ideas in, for example, last month's Linux Journal) it will work just fine for our little network. Given this, I tried to find which version I have installed, but haven't figured out how to tell. Typing 'sendmail -v' does nothing. Locating sendmail, I find /usr/sbin/sendmail with a date of Sept. 5, 2001. I suppose that's rather outdated now, but I've no idea what version it is. Other than opening port 25 on my floppyfw and asking my ISP to create a new, higher priority MX record pointing directly to my domain, what do I need to do? Is there a particular mail list I should monitor for security notices germane to sendmail? Well, that's my two alloted questions. Thanks for the help -- as always. Rich From derek at infotects.com Thu Apr 11 18:47:53 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:47:53 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Adv topic speaker needed, wine tasting expert? References: <1018485868.30905.368.camel@kat.zotnet.com> Message-ID: <3CB5DA58.C0137C3F@infotects.com> Zot O'Connor wrote: > It occurred to me a fun AT would be a "WINE" clinic. > > This is where people bring in laptops/systems and someone who has gotten > many apps to work under WINE describes WINE and we all try to get the > largest number of Games ^H^H^H^H^H^ Applications running. I like the idea! Trouble is I haven't gotten anything to run under wine, yet. Of course, I've only tried the stuff my wife can't do without, as soon as she can run those few apps on a linux box, I'm gonna dump her windoze. > > > Any speakers? > Sorry, not qualified. Hope someone is. Derek Loree From rsteff at attbi.com Thu Apr 11 18:52:52 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:52:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Pong References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020411100547.00b3ddf8@localhost> Message-ID: <3CB5DB84.F62A9A05@attbi.com> Rich Shepard sent: PING Russ Johnson wrote: > PONG To which I add: PILI (For those of you who are "experienced challenged," these were canned fruit drinks back in the 60's.) -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From m at netpro.to Thu Apr 11 18:58:35 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Strange and mysterious Linux crash Message-ID: So my Linux box just locked up. I was running VMWare, AIM, Konq, KMail, and quite a few Konsole sessions. I couldn't kill X. So, I grudgingly rebooted, but I got a message about a kernel panic and not finding init. Odd. So I booted from a floppy and mounted my filesystem. Here's what I found: /bin, /lib, and /opt are no longer directories. /bin is now a copy of my passwd file. /lib is now a copy of my group file. And /opt is another copy of my passwd file. /usr/local/lib is now a copy of something that looks like a sound config file, with entries like "synth:64:64:R" and "pcm:64:64:P". SoooooooOOOOooOOOOoOOOoo... what the heck happened? Any guesses? Thanks, ~M From wcooley at nakedape.cc Thu Apr 11 19:08:44 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:08:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Strange and mysterious Linux crash In-Reply-To: ; from m@netpro.to on Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:58:35AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020411120844.E4253@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Matt Alexander on Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:58:35AM PDT > So my Linux box just locked up. I was running VMWare, AIM, Konq, KMail, > and quite a few Konsole sessions. I couldn't kill X. So, I grudgingly > rebooted, but I got a message about a kernel panic and not finding init. > Odd. So I booted from a floppy and mounted my filesystem. Here's what I > found: > > /bin, /lib, and /opt are no longer directories. /bin is now a copy of my > passwd file. /lib is now a copy of my group file. And /opt is another > copy of my passwd file. /usr/local/lib is now a copy of something that > looks like a sound config file, with entries like "synth:64:64:R" and > "pcm:64:64:P". > > SoooooooOOOOooOOOOoOOOoo... what the heck happened? Any guesses? Do you have an Athlon system with a Via chipset and this filesystem is on an IDE drive? Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From lemming at attbi.com Thu Apr 11 19:35:01 2002 From: lemming at attbi.com (lemming at attbi.com) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:35:01 +0000 Subject: [PLUG] Adv topic speaker needed, wine tasting expert? Message-ID: <20020411193501.YQZV1143.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Not counting Solotaire (as a test people...) I've only been running a game utility called Creation Workshop under Wine for more than just a quick test. I tried running a later Beta of CW, but it would crash. (Under windows it ran, but occasionly gave back wierd results) I did try a couple games, but I may try again this weekend since I tried those with the wine that came with SuSe 7.3 and since then I downloaded and recompiled. So far, my experience has been; If it works, it works great. -Mark > >I like the idea! Trouble is I haven't gotten anything to run under wine, > >yet. Of course, I've only tried the stuff my wife can't do without, as > soon > >as she can run those few apps on a linux box, I'm gonna dump her windoze. > > Same with me. I've given up on wine several times. I'd love to hear from > someone who has been successful. I can get Notepad to work OK, but that's > about it. Also, does anyone know if wineX can be installed on Redhat? I > would like to see it, but not bad enough to switch distros to a distro that > I an not familiar with. > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From codeyeti at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 19:49:20 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:49:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Adv topic speaker needed, wine tasting expert? References: <20020411193501.YQZV1143.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Message-ID: <3CB5E8C0.3000901@yahoo.com> I've gotten it to work with various results several times. I would be willing to give it a go sometime. My words of advice: Never, ever upgrade a working version of wine. Set up your home directory to be a subdirectory under your user directory It's all in wine.conf -- I do what the voices on my console tell me to do. From m at netpro.to Thu Apr 11 19:52:52 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Strange and mysterious Linux crash In-Reply-To: <20020411120844.E4253@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Wil Cooley wrote: > Also Sprach Matt Alexander on Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:58:35AM PDT > > So my Linux box just locked up. I was running VMWare, AIM, Konq, KMail, > > and quite a few Konsole sessions. I couldn't kill X. So, I grudgingly > > rebooted, but I got a message about a kernel panic and not finding init. > > Odd. So I booted from a floppy and mounted my filesystem. Here's what I > > found: > > > > /bin, /lib, and /opt are no longer directories. /bin is now a copy of my > > passwd file. /lib is now a copy of my group file. And /opt is another > > copy of my passwd file. /usr/local/lib is now a copy of something that > > looks like a sound config file, with entries like "synth:64:64:R" and > > "pcm:64:64:P". > > > > SoooooooOOOOooOOOOoOOOoo... what the heck happened? Any guesses? > > Do you have an Athlon system with a Via chipset and this > filesystem is on an IDE drive? Nope. PII-400 and SCSI. From pem at nellump.com Thu Apr 11 20:41:46 2002 From: pem at nellump.com (Paul Mullen) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:41:46 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Pong In-Reply-To: <3CB5DB84.F62A9A05@attbi.com>; from rsteff@attbi.com on Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:52:52AM -0700 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020411100547.00b3ddf8@localhost> <3CB5DB84.F62A9A05@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020411134146.A15408@nellump.com> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:52:52AM -0700, Richard Steffens wrote: > > PILI > > (For those of you who are "experienced challenged," these were canned > fruit drinks back in the 60's.) What are "the 60's?" :-) Paul From pem at nellump.com Thu Apr 11 20:46:34 2002 From: pem at nellump.com (Paul Mullen) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:46:34 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] A couple of sendmail questions In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 10:41:53AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020411134634.B15408@nellump.com> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 10:41:53AM -0700, Rich Shepard wrote: > > Given this, I tried to find which version I have installed, but haven't > figured out how to tell. Typing 'sendmail -v' does nothing. Locating Aren't you a RedHat user? Try RPM: $ rpm -q sendmail sendmail-8.11.6-3 Paul From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Thu Apr 11 20:56:14 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] A couple of sendmail questions In-Reply-To: <20020411134634.B15408@nellump.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Paul Mullen wrote: > Aren't you a RedHat user? Try RPM: > > $ rpm -q sendmail > sendmail-8.11.6-3 Thanks, Paul. I missed the obvious. My version is sendmail-8.11.6-1.6.x, which is probably just behind yours. Rich From rsteff at attbi.com Thu Apr 11 21:02:03 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:02:03 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Pong References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020411100547.00b3ddf8@localhost> <3CB5DB84.F62A9A05@attbi.com> <20020411134146.A15408@nellump.com> Message-ID: <3CB5F9CB.E8F486C5@attbi.com> Paul Mullen wrote: > What are "the 60's?" :-) Those were the days when man slipped the bonds of earth's gravity and went to the moon. Also the era when COBOL was born. The fruit drinks didn't last, and man stopped going to the moon, but people still use COBOL. I'm not sure what that says about the state of humanity. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From heinlein at attbi.com Thu Apr 11 21:16:01 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Sendmail 8.10.2 configuration question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Longman, Bill wrote: > A message that I send to person at 192.168.foo.bar has header info that says: > > Received: from lockbluster at video.com (lockbluster at video.com) [10.10.11.18]) > by firsthost (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g82.380034 > > THE QUESTION: > How do I tell sendmail so that in the above Received: line, the host > should say "secondhost" instead of "firsthost" since that was the > address to which the message was addressed? Typically, sendmail determines the hostname dynamically at start up. See the $j variable in your sendmail.cf file. Short of writing some custom configuration rules (a task with which I'm unfamiliar anyway), the easiest solution that leaps to my mind is to launch two instances of sendmail. Each instance would bind to port 25 on its specified virtual interface; each would have its own sendmail.cf, the only difference would be how $j was defined. -- Paul Heinlein From dave at pakled.mmcc.cx Thu Apr 11 21:26:16 2002 From: dave at pakled.mmcc.cx (Dave) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:26:16 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Pong In-Reply-To: <3CB5F9CB.E8F486C5@attbi.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020411100547.00b3ddf8@localhost> <3CB5DB84.F62A9A05@attbi.com> <20020411134146.A15408@nellump.com> <3CB5F9CB.E8F486C5@attbi.com> Message-ID: <1018560376.3cb5ff787fcc8@192.168.1.15> For reference, see Austin Powers (2). -Dave Quoting Richard Steffens : > Paul Mullen wrote: > > > What are "the 60's?" :-) > > Those were the days when man slipped the bonds of earth's gravity and > went to the moon. Also the era when COBOL was born. The fruit drinks > didn't last, and man stopped going to the moon, but people still use > COBOL. I'm not sure what that says about the state of humanity. From jason at vancleve.com Thu Apr 11 21:47:22 2002 From: jason at vancleve.com (Jason Van Cleve) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:47:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Speaking Of VIA And IDE Message-ID: Last year, I posted here about a kernel panic which seemed a result of the VIA "686 bug". Terry Griffin helped me into a newer kernel, and the problem seemed to go away. But yesterday, after some months trying to get IWill or Fry's to take back my misdesigned motherboard (for all the time I spent working with these morons, I could have bought a dozen m/b's, but I had a morbid desire to know if they would ever capitulate), I finally got the store manager at Fry's to credit me for it. As a replacement, I ended up buying an MSI K7T Turbo2. Ridiculously enough, it has a very similar chipset, but a woman at Pacific Solutions on Powell (who seemed knowledgeable enough: she had been haunted in her own way by this VIA stupidity) assured me this board did not possess the same fault as my previous board. Besides that, it's the only decent board I could find. While I was configuring the K7T for my dual boot system, I started Linux a few times and then accidentally set the CAS latency incorrectly in the BIOS, booted once, and suddenly started having the selfsame problem as before. The panic message is "VFS: unable to mount root FS on 03:44, and above that something about "group descriptors corrupted". What kind of an idiot are you?, you may ask. Well, this is not the same chipset, at least not quite. At any rate, I can now install Mandrake 8.1, which is something I couldn't do with my old m/b. This time I delved a little deeper, because now I have things on my root partition that I'd really hate to lose. I started the rescue system from my install CD and ran e2fsck on the partition, but that wouldn't start, saying it had found an invalid superblock. I also tried specifying subsequent blocks (in multiples of 8192), but no dice. It seems that partition is fscked once again, though it has been working perfectly for months now (read: no, I don't believe the hard drive is gone bad). So I'm at the same loss I was at before, to know whether it's my new, "corrected" hardware that still sucks, or SuSE 7.1, or Linux itself (gasp! Well, much as I despise M$, Windows has never trashed a partition on me for no good reason. I run 98SE on this same box, and although I had to reboot it a couple dozen times after installing this board, nothing was damaged). I'm running kernel 2.4.16, which was a constant all through this installation. Now, feel free to speculate on what's going wrong here, but what I really want to know is whether there is any hope for my data. A lot of it is backed up (I'm learning), but all my emails were/are in there, not to mention countless hours of configuration. Is there aught I can do? --Jason Van Cleve From mike-russell at netsailer.com Thu Apr 11 21:55:05 2002 From: mike-russell at netsailer.com (Mike Russell) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:55:05 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Speaking Of VIA And IDE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020411145149.00a35230@mail.aracnet.com> you could try putting the drive in another system, bring it up as a slave, then see if you can browse it to leach your files out of it. if you don't have a spare system, i live in aloha, OR. i have some free time lately. mike At 02:47 PM 4/11/02, you wrote: >Last year, I posted here about a kernel panic which seemed a result of the >VIA "686 bug". Terry Griffin helped me into a newer kernel, and the problem >seemed to go away. But yesterday, after some months trying to get IWill or >Fry's to take back my misdesigned motherboard (for all the time I spent >working with these morons, I could have bought a dozen m/b's, but I had a >morbid desire to know if they would ever capitulate), I finally got the >store manager at Fry's to credit me for it. As a replacement, I ended up >buying an MSI K7T Turbo2. Ridiculously enough, it has a very similar >chipset, but a woman at Pacific Solutions on Powell (who seemed >knowledgeable enough: she had been haunted in her own way by this VIA >stupidity) assured me this board did not possess the same fault as my >previous board. Besides that, it's the only decent board I could find. > >While I was configuring the K7T for my dual boot system, I started Linux a >few times and then accidentally set the CAS latency incorrectly in the BIOS, >booted once, and suddenly started having the selfsame problem as before. >The panic message is "VFS: unable to mount root FS on 03:44, and above that >something about "group descriptors corrupted". > >What kind of an idiot are you?, you may ask. Well, this is not the same >chipset, at least not quite. At any rate, I can now install Mandrake 8.1, >which is something I couldn't do with my old m/b. This time I delved a >little deeper, because now I have things on my root partition that I'd >really hate to lose. I started the rescue system from my install CD and ran >e2fsck on the partition, but that wouldn't start, saying it had found an >invalid superblock. I also tried specifying subsequent blocks (in multiples >of 8192), but no dice. It seems that partition is fscked once again, though >it has been working perfectly for months now (read: no, I don't believe the >hard drive is gone bad). > >So I'm at the same loss I was at before, to know whether it's my new, >"corrected" hardware that still sucks, or SuSE 7.1, or Linux itself (gasp! >Well, much as I despise M$, Windows has never trashed a partition on me for >no good reason. I run 98SE on this same box, and although I had to reboot >it a couple dozen times after installing this board, nothing was damaged). >I'm running kernel 2.4.16, which was a constant all through this >installation. Now, feel free to speculate on what's going wrong here, but >what I really want to know is whether there is any hope for my data. A lot >of it is backed up (I'm learning), but all my emails were/are in there, not >to mention countless hours of configuration. Is there aught I can do? > >--Jason Van Cleve > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From alex at daniloff.com Thu Apr 11 21:54:37 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:54:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] How hot is a really =?iso-8859-1?q?hot=3F?= Dual Athlon MP on Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200204112154.g3BLsbP13904@gate.daniloff.com> Hello Lunux folkz, Recently I've assembled Web, DB and file Linux server on Tyan Tiger SMP2460 MB with two AMD Athlon 1500 MP CPUs. The BIOS has a nice feature to measure CPU core temperatures in C. Initially I used Thermaltake 6cu+ aluminum heatsinks with the copper inserts. I used Dough Corning white silicone heat sink paste. Idling CPU temperatures measured through the BIOS were at 35 and 36 C on CPU0 and CPU1. It's good but heat sink fans sounded like a jet on take off. I changed these heatsinks on Millennium Glaciator I (not II) pure copper heatsinks with built in fans. They came with Cooling Flow heatsink compound. The server became very quiet but the idling CPU temperatures raised to 40 C on the both CPUs. I can't take measurements directly from from CPUs only through the BIOS and onboard sensors. Could somebody tell me please if this temperature at 40 C is normal on idling AMD Athlon 1500 MP CPUs, or it's a little bit to much? Shold I change heat sink paste, fans or just live it like it is? Thank you in advance for any thoughts or suggestions. Alex From briand at aracnet.com Thu Apr 11 22:33:55 2002 From: briand at aracnet.com (briand at aracnet.com) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:33:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] How hot is a really =?iso-8859-1?q?hot=3F?= Dual Athlon MP on Linux In-Reply-To: <200204112154.g3BLsbP13904@gate.daniloff.com> References: <200204112154.g3BLsbP13904@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: <15542.3923.222016.571367@soggy.deldotd.com> >>>>> "Alex" == Alex Daniloff writes: Alex> through the BIOS and onboard sensors. Could somebody tell me Alex> please if this temperature at 40 C is normal on idling AMD Alex> Athlon 1500 MP CPUs, or it's a little bit to much? Shold I Alex> change heat sink paste, fans or just live it like it is? You really need to see the temp while the CPU is crunching, but I'd say you have nothing to worry about. Still, you might want to let the box crunch on something for a while, say 10-15 min and then take a look. Shouldn't go up by more than 10deg or so. I don't know what the datasheets for the parts say, you could look it up, but my rule of thumb is <60 is fine. Brian From seniorr at aracnet.com Thu Apr 11 22:55:22 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 11 Apr 2002 15:55:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Pong In-Reply-To: <1018560376.3cb5ff787fcc8@192.168.1.15> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020411100547.00b3ddf8@localhost> <3CB5DB84.F62A9A05@attbi.com> <20020411134146.A15408@nellump.com> <3CB5F9CB.E8F486C5@attbi.com> <1018560376.3cb5ff787fcc8@192.168.1.15> Message-ID: <86u1qh26cl.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Dave" == Dave writes: Dave> For reference, see Austin Powers (2). -Dave Dave> Quoting Richard Steffens : >> Paul Mullen wrote: >> >> > What are "the 60's?" :-) >> >> Those were the days when man slipped the bonds of earth's gravity >> and went to the moon. Also the era when COBOL was born. The fruit >> drinks didn't last, and man stopped going to the moon, but people >> still use COBOL. I'm not sure what that says about the state of >> humanity. plug-talk! plug-talk! plug-talk! -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From don at truedisk.com Thu Apr 11 23:07:07 2002 From: don at truedisk.com (Don Buchholz) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:07:07 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DNS name maximums? References: <20020411015926.GA10218@subtend.net> Message-ID: <3CB6171B.D7C4B024@truedisk.com> Quick developer's question: 1) What is the maximum allowed hostname (per DNS)? I believe the answer probably comes in 2 parts: a) maximum allowed domain length (individual name between the "dots") b) maximum allowed total domain name length And, related to the above, I've already specified that - [hyphen] 0-9 [decimal digits] A-Z [case insensitive] is the allowed character set. (Please let me know if I've blown it.) TIA, - Don From Patrick.Leckey at xist.com Thu Apr 11 22:52:27 2002 From: Patrick.Leckey at xist.com (Patrick Leckey) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:52:27 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1018545270.3cb5c4764c876@192.168.1.15> References: <1018545270.3cb5c4764c876@192.168.1.15> Message-ID: <20020411185227.A5064@melvin.leckey.net> I've always liked the hobgoblins. Caught one chewing on my IDE cable once. I keep him in a jar on my desk, as a warning to other hobgoblins. :) Pat. On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 10:14:30AM -0700, Dave wrote: > I'm sure some of you've noticed that most of my mail's 'From' come across > as 'To: blah at blah.com'. I thought, previously, this was because of a brain- > dead client I was far, far too lazy to fix. ;) > > Turns out, at least, now that I've started to use multiple clients and get the > same behaviour, that it's probably not that. The next culprit would be either > hobgoblins or postfix. > > I've glanced at the postfix config, but I'll admit to not knowing really, what > it does -- sort of like sendmail.cf, I consider it magic. Any pointers to > fixing this? > -Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey at xist.com] XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 From Patrick.Leckey at xist.com Thu Apr 11 22:53:09 2002 From: Patrick.Leckey at xist.com (Patrick Leckey) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:53:09 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] Pong In-Reply-To: <20020411134146.A15408@nellump.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020411100547.00b3ddf8@localhost> <3CB5DB84.F62A9A05@attbi.com> <20020411134146.A15408@nellump.com> Message-ID: <20020411185309.B5064@melvin.leckey.net> > What are "the 60's?" :-) The decade that should go away, but is too high to know any better. Pat. On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 01:41:46PM -0700, Paul Mullen wrote: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:52:52AM -0700, Richard Steffens wrote: > > > > PILI > > > > (For those of you who are "experienced challenged," these were canned > > fruit drinks back in the 60's.) > > What are "the 60's?" :-) > > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey at xist.com] XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 From brucek at kingkon.com Thu Apr 11 20:39:39 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:39:39 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] test3 - is it soup yet Message-ID: <20020411133939.A1884@defiant> testing my sendmail fix -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From brucek at kingkon.com Thu Apr 11 08:01:58 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:01:58 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] test two Message-ID: <20020411010158.A2361@defiant> Testing again, of updated sendmail test. -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 00:27:22 2002 From: jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com (Jon Jacob) Date: 11 Apr 2002 17:27:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What does this mean? Message-ID: <1018571242.1886.0.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Found this in my /var/log/messages file: Apr 11 17:12:53 lana rpc.statd[709]: gethostbyname error for ^X???^X???^Y???^Y???^Z???^Z???^[???^[???%8x%8x%8x%8x%8x%8x%8x%8x%8x%236x%n%137x%n%10x%n%192x%n\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220 Any ideas what this is all about? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Apr 12 00:51:11 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Uh, oh! rpm --rebuild failed Message-ID: I'd appreciate ideas on what to do about this error. I was rebuilding the rawhide-1.0 openldap source package ('rpm --rebuild openldap-2.0.23-4.src.rpm') and it happily churned away for a while until it choked on this: mkdir .libs grep: /usr/local/lib/libgdbm.la: No such file or directory sed: can't read /usr/local/lib/libgdbm.la: No such file or directory libtool: link: /usr/local/lib/libgdbm.la' is not a valid libtool archive make[2]: *** [libldap.la] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/openldap-2.0.23/build-gdbm/libraries/libldap' make[1]: *** [all-common] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/openldap-2.0.23/build-gdbm/libraries' make: *** [all-common] Error 1 error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.37572 (%build) RPM build errors: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.37572 (%build) Now, locate shows me: [rshepard at salmo ~]$ locate libgdbm /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.2 /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.2.0.0 /usr/lib/libgdbm.a /usr/lib/libgdbm.la /usr/lib/libgdbm.so Do I make a soft link to /usr/lib/libgdbm.la from /usr/local/lib/? Will that resolve this hairball? Thanks, Rich From codeyeti at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 01:02:00 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:02:00 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What does this mean? References: <1018571242.1886.0.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <3CB631F7.D1D0738C@yahoo.com> It looks like somebody trying to overflow your rpc--Remote Procedure Call service. It runs on port 111. Unless you have a need for NFS or similar services, I wouldn't have that exposed to the world to see. Even then, I wouldn't let the world have access to that port. You can block it out at the box with your favorite firewall software. Even so, you should have a portmapper:all entry in /etc/hosts.deny to disallow use of the service, then put the people you want to have use it in /etc/hosts.allow. It's not failproof by any means, but it will stop some attacks/mischief. Jon Jacob wrote: > Found this in my /var/log/messages file: > > Apr 11 17:12:53 lana rpc.statd[709]: gethostbyname error for > ^X???^X???^Y???^Y???^Z???^Z???^[???^[???%8x%8x%8x%8x%8x%8x%8x%8x%8x%236x%n%137x%n%10x%n%192x%n\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220 > > Any ideas what this is all about? From krisa at subtend.net Fri Apr 12 02:05:33 2002 From: krisa at subtend.net (Kris) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:05:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DNS name maximums? In-Reply-To: <3CB6171B.D7C4B024@truedisk.com> References: <20020411015926.GA10218@subtend.net> <3CB6171B.D7C4B024@truedisk.com> Message-ID: <20020412020533.GE20361@subtend.net> RFC2181 is what you are looking for. "RFC 2181 Clarifications to the DNS Specification July 1997" Look in section 11.0. http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2181.txt On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 04:07:07PM -0700, Don Buchholz wrote: > > Quick developer's question: > > 1) What is the maximum allowed hostname (per DNS)? > > > I believe the answer probably comes in 2 parts: > > a) maximum allowed domain length (individual name between the "dots") > > b) maximum allowed total domain name length > > > And, related to the above, I've already specified that > > - [hyphen] > 0-9 [decimal digits] > A-Z [case insensitive] > > is the allowed character set. (Please let me know if I've > blown it.) > > > TIA, > - Don > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- I'm just a packet pusher. From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Apr 12 02:19:23 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Package upgrades Message-ID: OK. I made the soft links from /usr/local/lib to /usr/lib/ and everything's built and installed just fine. Until I get to sendmail itself. When I try to freshen the existing installation, I see: [root at salmo rshepard]# rpm -Fvh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/sendmail-* error: failed dependencies: /usr/sbin/alternatives is needed by sendmail-8.11.6-15 chkconfig >= 1.3 is needed by sendmail-8.11.6-15 bash >= 2.0 is needed by sendmail-8.11.6-15 I've no idea what /usr/sbin/alternatives is or where to find it. I suppose that I can upgrade chkconfig easily enough, but ... can I install bash-2.0 in addition to my existing bash-1.14.7-23.6x? Or, will anything break if I upgrade from 1.14 to 2.0? As bash is so fundamental to the system I need to understand what I'm doing before doing it. If there are pointers to docs for me to read, please pass me a pointer to them. Thanks, Rich From llywrch at agora.rdrop.com Fri Apr 12 00:21:36 2002 From: llywrch at agora.rdrop.com (Geoff Burling) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Pong In-Reply-To: <86u1qh26cl.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: On 11 Apr 2002, Russell Senior wrote: > > Dave> Quoting Richard Steffens : > > >> Paul Mullen wrote: > >> > >> > What are "the 60's?" :-) > >> > >> Those were the days when man slipped the bonds of earth's gravity > >> and went to the moon. Also the era when COBOL was born. The fruit > >> drinks didn't last, and man stopped going to the moon, but people > >> still use COBOL. I'm not sure what that says about the state of > >> humanity. > > plug-talk! plug-talk! plug-talk! > So now we know Russell's favorite programing language. And we can expect Karl to shortly post an email stating why Scheme is a better choice. What I want to know is which text editor would run best if written in COBOL: vi, emacs, ed or pico? (You know, if I truly hated humanity, I'd write a version of edlin in Intercal. And use the comments from a program like sendmail. Translated into Old Irish.) Geoff From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Apr 12 02:54:07 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Uh, oh! rpm --rebuild failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > I'd appreciate ideas on what to do about this error. I was rebuilding the > rawhide-1.0 openldap source package ('rpm --rebuild > openldap-2.0.23-4.src.rpm') and it happily churned away for a while until it > choked on this: > > mkdir .libs > grep: /usr/local/lib/libgdbm.la: No such file or directory ln -s to the rescue. Now it's a matter of what to do about chkconfig and bash. The latest sendmail wants more current versions than I have installed, and chkconfig's latest and greatest wants a newer version of initscripts. This is getting too close to the kernel for me to be comfortable without really understanding what I'm doing. Rich From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 12 03:05:48 2002 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Uh, oh! rpm --rebuild failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: >On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > >> I'd appreciate ideas on what to do about this error. I was rebuilding the >> rawhide-1.0 openldap source package ('rpm --rebuild >> openldap-2.0.23-4.src.rpm') and it happily churned away for a while until it >> choked on this: >> >> mkdir .libs >> grep: /usr/local/lib/libgdbm.la: No such file or directory > > ln -s to the rescue. > > Now it's a matter of what to do about chkconfig and bash. The latest >sendmail wants more current versions than I have installed, and chkconfig's >latest and greatest wants a newer version of initscripts. This is getting >too close to the kernel for me to be comfortable without really >understanding what I'm doing. 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Any ideas???? -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Apr 12 04:41:20 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Uh, oh! rpm --rebuild failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Eric Harrison wrote: > If you really need to update these, you probably want to pull them out > of Skipjack (Red Hat 7.3 beta) rather than Rawhide (Red Hat 8.0 alpha?). > > ftp://ftp.orst.edu/pub/ftp.redhat.com/linux/beta/skipjack/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ Ah, thanks Eric! Sendmail wants 'em but I didn't know if I could upgrade initscripts, chkconfig and bash with impunity. And now -- at last! -- I understand what Rawhide is. I suppose, too, that I could get the RH 7.2 src.rpms for them. Rich From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Fri Apr 12 05:13:57 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:13:57 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] How hot is a really hot? Dual Athlon MP on Linux References: Message-ID: This review site might help: http://www.cluboverclocker.com/guides/top_ten.htm And if you need to slow down a noisy fan you might try this: http://www.zalmantech.com/Speedcontroller.htm Robert "Alex Daniloff" wrote in message news:mailman.1018562242.3754.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > Hello Lunux folkz, > Recently I've assembled Web, DB and file Linux server on Tyan Tiger > SMP2460 MB with two AMD Athlon 1500 MP CPUs. > The BIOS has a nice feature to measure CPU core temperatures in C. > Initially I used Thermaltake 6cu+ aluminum heatsinks with the copper > inserts. I used Dough Corning white silicone heat sink paste. > Idling CPU temperatures measured through the BIOS were at 35 and 36 C > on CPU0 and CPU1. It's good but heat sink fans sounded like a jet on > take off. > I changed these heatsinks on Millennium Glaciator I (not II) pure > copper heatsinks with built in fans. > They came with Cooling Flow heatsink compound. > The server became very quiet but the idling CPU temperatures raised to > 40 C on the both CPUs. > I can't take measurements directly from from CPUs only through the > BIOS and onboard sensors. > Could somebody tell me please if this temperature at 40 C is normal on > idling AMD Athlon 1500 MP CPUs, or it's a little bit to much? > Shold I change heat sink paste, fans or just live it like it is? > > Thank you in advance for any thoughts or suggestions. > Alex > From brucek at kingkon.com Fri Apr 12 06:10:23 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:10:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: missing features In-Reply-To: <20020409083732.F5633@defiant>; from brucek@kingkon.com on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:37:32AM -0700 References: <20020409083732.F5633@defiant> Message-ID: <20020411231023.E14757@defiant.pacifier.com> Bruce Kingsland's Log: StarDate 0409.0837: > Hmmm, RH7.2 doesn't seem to know where my mouse is. RH5.2 had no > trouble finding it... on my laptop; the builtin eraser head style. Found it. It was psaux rather than ttyS# > I'm also having trouble getting RH7.2 to find drivers for ISA NICs. After some discussion, it maybe a case of not having the correct setup software from the mfg, to get the NIC to behave in a predictable way. > And, mutt/gnupg complain about my .vimrc file and unsecure memory. fixed the .vimrc problem - had to change the muttrc from the way it worked in rh52. It was sugested that I'd have to reinstall gnupg to make the unsecured memory error go away. I'd like another opinion! :) > Any ideas???? 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On Thu, 2002-04-11 at 18:02, Michael Smith wrote: > It looks like somebody trying to overflow your rpc--Remote Procedure Call service. It runs on port 111. Unless you have a need for NFS or similar services, I wouldn't have that exposed to the world to see. Even then, I wouldn't let the world have access to that port. You can block it out at the box with your favorite firewall software. > > Even so, you should have a portmapper:all entry in /etc/hosts.deny to disallow use of the service, then put the people you want to have use it in /etc/hosts.allow. It's not failproof by any means, but it will stop some attacks/mischief. > > Jon Jacob wrote: > > > Found this in my /var/log/messages file: > > > > Apr 11 17:12:53 lana rpc.statd[709]: gethostbyname error for > > ^X???^X???^Y???^Y???^Z???^Z???^[???^[???%8x%8x%8x%8x%8x%8x%8x%8x%8x%236x%n%137x%n%10x%n%192x%n\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220\220 > > > > Any ideas what this is all about? > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dave at pakled.mmcc.cx Fri Apr 12 06:10:31 2002 From: dave at pakled.mmcc.cx (Dave) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:10:31 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ripping from cd ? In-Reply-To: <3CB676F7.7080900@pacifier.com> References: <3CB676F7.7080900@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1018591831.3cb67a57ae2f5@192.168.1.15> There's several apps you can use to rip the audio directly from the CD. A favorite, is cdparanoia: http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ Also handy, though somewhat difficult to get your hands on is 'dagrab': http://web.tiscali.it/marcellou/dagrab.html I like dagrab, simply because it allows you to set the output filename as wella s run a command shortly after ripping. Ie, rip->encode in one handy step. If you're not a command line junkie, there's GTK versions: http://kfa.cx/products.php3?product=GTKmp3make -Dave Quoting Kyle Accardi : > Can't believe I'm finally getting around to doing this. > > Got lame compiled and ready to go, one hitch: since you can't mount an > audio cd, how do you provide an input file? > > The sooner I send this, the sooner I'll go "Duh!" > > -- > Kyle Accardi > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From sandbox at pacifier.com Fri Apr 12 06:22:23 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:22:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ripping from cd ? References: <3CB676F7.7080900@pacifier.com> <1018591831.3cb67a57ae2f5@192.168.1.15> Message-ID: <3CB67D1F.4080301@pacifier.com> Dave wrote: > There's several apps you can use to rip the audio directly from the CD. A > favorite, is cdparanoia: > > http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ > > Also handy, though somewhat difficult to get your hands on is 'dagrab': > > http://web.tiscali.it/marcellou/dagrab.html > > I like dagrab, simply because it allows you to set the output filename as wella > s run a command shortly after ripping. Ie, rip->encode in one handy step. > > If you're not a command line junkie, there's GTK versions: > > http://kfa.cx/products.php3?product=GTKmp3make Thank you. As promised, I latched on to cdparanoia. But it wouldn't let me work as non-root. Not sure why yet. I've allowed my user account to perform many relevant operations re: CD access. Q1: any problem combining wavs and mp3s on a cd to be played on a non-computerized cd player? Q2: Any app that will burn audio cd given ax Xmms playlist (.m3u)? -- Cheers, Kyle Accardi From brucek at kingkon.com Fri Apr 12 06:46:25 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:46:25 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? Message-ID: <20020411234624.G14757@defiant.pacifier.com> When I needed a better solution for offline reading of web based USB solutions, someone suggested wget: wget --mirror http://www.linux-usb.org And it worked GREAT! So, I thot I'd try: wget --mirror http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/rh72-errata.html But that only gave me _that_ page, and then proceeded to start from the top of the redhat domain; and soon I was getting some ad tree at 10key*.com So, any ideas? I don't have a really good pipe, but I've already discovered a number of things that the updates&errata fix; and since I have 4 different installs of this code, I'd just as soon have _all_ the updates handy on a CD. 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For those in charge of the administration of the PLUG, check details at http://www.redhat.com/apps/community/LUG/ Dragos C. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandbox at pacifier.com Fri Apr 12 06:49:02 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:49:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? References: <20020411234624.G14757@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <3CB6835E.9010608@pacifier.com> Bruce Kingsland wrote: > When I needed a better solution for offline reading of web based USB > solutions, someone suggested wget: > > wget --mirror http://www.linux-usb.org > > And it worked GREAT! So, I thot I'd try: > > wget --mirror http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/rh72-errata.html > > But that only gave me _that_ page, and then proceeded to start from > the top of the redhat domain; and soon I was getting some ad tree at > 10key*.com > > So, any ideas? I don't have a really good pipe, but I've already > discovered a number of things that the updates&errata fix; and since I > have 4 different installs of this code, I'd just as soon have _all_ > the updates handy on a CD. Are you seeking to mirror the RH updates ftp site? Check out ftp://ftp.orst.edu/.1/ftp/redhat.com/linux/updates/7.2/en/os/i386 When you can get in, they're usually fast. They also mirror older/other distros. Sometimes they lag (by days) the official ftp://updates.redhat.com site, but this is much slower. -- Kyle Accardi From dave at pakled.mmcc.cx Fri Apr 12 07:19:49 2002 From: dave at pakled.mmcc.cx (Dave) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:19:49 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ripping from cd ? In-Reply-To: <3CB67D1F.4080301@pacifier.com> References: <3CB676F7.7080900@pacifier.com> <1018591831.3cb67a57ae2f5@192.168.1.15> <3CB67D1F.4080301@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1018595989.3cb68a9569d35@192.168.1.15> -Dave Quoting Kyle Accardi : > Thank you. As promised, I latched on to cdparanoia. But it wouldn't let > me work as non-root. Not sure why yet. I've allowed my user account to > perform many relevant operations re: CD access. If I recall correctly (it's been some time since I used cdparanoia), you need to open up the cdrom device completely for cdparanoia to work. Ie, 'chmod 777 /dev/cdrom' I may be lying or blowing things out of my anterior end, but hey. > Q1: any problem combining wavs and mp3s on a cd to be played on a > non-computerized cd player? Assuming the device you're sticking the disc in knows how to tell the difference between a .wav and an mp3, there should be no problem. Realisticly, your device (like say, a car CD MP3 player) likes to have all mp3s or a plain redbook audio disc. Interesting tidbit, 'audio cd's are essentially one .wav file per track. > Q2: Any app that will burn audio cd given ax Xmms playlist (.m3u)? None that I know of, and a quick websearch led to nothing fruitful. If you're feeling adventerous, you could probably set up an output plugin to decode the MP3s to .wav and burn them to a CD with little effort, though I've no idea how to go about it. ;) From brucek at kingkon.com Fri Apr 12 07:51:26 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:51:26 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? In-Reply-To: <3CB6835E.9010608@pacifier.com>; from sandbox@pacifier.com on Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:49:02PM -0700 References: <20020411234624.G14757@defiant.pacifier.com> <3CB6835E.9010608@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020412005126.I14757@defiant.pacifier.com> Kyle Accardi's Log: StarDate 0411.2349: > Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > > wget --mirror http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/rh72-errata.html > > Are you seeking to mirror the RH updates ftp site? Sorta. I dunno how big the space is. bugfixes, and security stuff, and whatever else redhat includes in their 4 areas would be good: rh72-errata.html rh72-errata-updates.html rh72-errata-security.html rh72-errata-bugfixes.html And, I know it grows nearly daily. > Check out ftp://ftp.orst.edu/.1/ftp/redhat.com/linux/updates/7.2/en/os/i386 > > When you can get in, they're usually fast. They also mirror older/other > distros. And that is a problem. I don't have a continuous link, so I'm not sure how to cue it to keep trying until it gets thru, while I'm collecting my email and other useful things on the days I get access to a pipe. > Sometimes they lag (by days) the official ftp://updates.redhat.com site, > but this is much slower. So, the trade off is faster downloads, albeit a few days late, or slower downloads of the most current stuff. Well, any downloads would be wonderful. But redhat don't let me in very often either. -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From john at bagdanoff.com Fri Apr 12 07:40:33 2002 From: john at bagdanoff.com (John) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:40:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] How hot is a really hot? Dual Athlon MP on Linux In-Reply-To: <200204112154.g3BLsbP13904@gate.daniloff.com> References: <200204112154.g3BLsbP13904@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: <20020412074033.GA4514@zork.orb> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 02:54:37PM -0700, Alex Daniloff wrote: > Hello Lunux folkz, > Recently I've assembled Web, DB and file Linux server on Tyan Tiger > SMP2460 MB with two AMD Athlon 1500 MP CPUs. > The BIOS has a nice feature to measure CPU core temperatures in C. > Initially I used Thermaltake 6cu+ aluminum heatsinks with the copper > inserts. I used Dough Corning white silicone heat sink paste. > Idling CPU temperatures measured through the BIOS were at 35 and 36 C > on CPU0 and CPU1. It's good but heat sink fans sounded like a jet on > take off. I just built an athlon 1700 system, & got the same noisy fan, then replaced it with the Volcano 7 which varies from 3200-4400 rpms depending on cpu temp. Much quieter now. I think the Volcano 6 runs at 7200 rpm, which is why it was so noisy. > I changed these heatsinks on Millennium Glaciator I (not II) pure > copper heatsinks with built in fans. > They came with Cooling Flow heatsink compound. > The server became very quiet but the idling CPU temperatures raised to > 40 C on the both CPUs. With the volcano 6, my idle speed was 36, now it's 37-38 with the volcano 7. > I can't take measurements directly from from CPUs only through the > BIOS and onboard sensors. Install lm-sensors. KDE has an applet sitting in the taskbar, giving me continous reads of the cpu temp & mb temp. I got the cpu temp up to 42 when running xawtv (watching tv) & compiling an application at the same time. > Could somebody tell me please if this temperature at 40 C is normal on > idling AMD Athlon 1500 MP CPUs, or it's a little bit to much? > Shold I change heat sink paste, fans or just live it like it is? I'm no expert, but from what I've read, 40 is ok, I've got lm-sensors to spring an alarm at 50. John -- -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ http://www.debian.org/ http://www.pdxlinux.org/ _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- From sandbox at pacifier.com Fri Apr 12 07:50:52 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:50:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ripping from cd ? References: <3CB676F7.7080900@pacifier.com> <1018591831.3cb67a57ae2f5@192.168.1.15> <3CB67D1F.4080301@pacifier.com> <1018595989.3cb68a9569d35@192.168.1.15> Message-ID: <3CB691DC.4090103@pacifier.com> Dave wrote: > If I recall correctly (it's been some time since I used cdparanoia), you need > to open up the cdrom device completely for cdparanoia to work. Ie, 'chmod > 777 /dev/cdrom' I may be lying or blowing things out of my anterior end, but > hey. You'd think that'd work $ cdparanoia 4 /dev/cdrom exists but isn't accessible. By default, cdparanoia stops searching for an accessible drive here. Consider using -s to force a more complete autosense of the machine. More information about /dev/cdrom: Checking /dev/cdrom for cdrom... Testing /dev/cdrom for cooked ioctl() interface /dev/scd1 is not a cooked ioctl CDROM. Testing /dev/cdrom for SCSI interface No generic SCSI device found to match CDROM device /dev/scd1 $ ls -la /dev/cdrom lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Mar 6 2001 /dev/cdrom -> scd1 $ ls -la /dev/scd1 brwxrwxrwx 1 kyle kyle 11, 1 Aug 24 2000 /dev/scd1 $ cdparanoia -s 4 Segmentation fault (core dumped) blech! >>Q1: any problem combining wavs and mp3s on a cd to be played on a >>non-computerized cd player? > Assuming the device you're sticking the disc in knows how to tell the > difference between a .wav and an mp3, there should be no problem. Realisticly, > your device (like say, a car CD MP3 player) likes to have all mp3s or a plain > redbook audio disc. I decided to fill the cd with mp3s. Converting the .wavs saved tons of space, and while my ears may not be Golden (TM), they are good and mp3 made the cut. >>Q2: Any app that will burn audio cd given ax Xmms playlist (.m3u)? >> > > None that I know of, and a quick websearch led to nothing fruitful. If you're > feeling adventerous, you could probably set up an output plugin to decode the > MP3s to .wav and burn them to a CD with little effort, though I've no idea how > to go about it. ;) I'll probably use xcdroast to order the tracks this time. -- Cheese, Kyle Accardi Ps. MacTarnahan's Uncle Otto's Weissbeer is really helping. (Since when did Portland Brewing become MacTarnahan's anyway?) That, and the cigarette ashes lubricating the keyboard... From sandbox at pacifier.com Fri Apr 12 08:03:12 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:03:12 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? References: <20020411234624.G14757@defiant.pacifier.com> <3CB6835E.9010608@pacifier.com> <20020412005126.I14757@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <3CB694C0.4070206@pacifier.com> Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Sorta. I dunno how big the space is. bugfixes, and security stuff, and > whatever else redhat includes in their 4 areas would be good: > > rh72-errata.html > rh72-errata-updates.html > rh72-errata-security.html > rh72-errata-bugfixes.html > > And, I know it grows nearly daily. It's all contained in the updates dir. I haven't sync'd in a few weeks, but it's ~400Mb >>Check out ftp://ftp.orst.edu/.1/ftp/redhat.com/linux/updates/7.2/en/os/i386 >> >>When you can get in, they're usually fast. They also mirror older/other >>distros. > And that is a problem. I don't have a continuous link, so I'm not sure > how to cue it to keep trying until it gets thru, while I'm collecting > my email and other useful things on the days I get access to a pipe. If you're dial-up, you may just need to set aside time to sync. I'm sure there are ftp clients that can handle intermittent connections, just don't know what they are called. Hopefully, people smarter than I will chime in. > So, the trade off is faster downloads, albeit a few days late, or > slower downloads of the most current stuff. Well, any downloads would > be wonderful. But redhat don't let me in very often either. Keeping weird hours helps. I've never figured out the appeal for paying $ to use up2date when public ftp is free. -- Kyle Accardi From dave at pakled.mmcc.cx Fri Apr 12 08:03:51 2002 From: dave at pakled.mmcc.cx (Dave) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:03:51 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ripping from cd ? In-Reply-To: <3CB691DC.4090103@pacifier.com> References: <3CB676F7.7080900@pacifier.com> <1018591831.3cb67a57ae2f5@192.168.1.15> <3CB67D1F.4080301@pacifier.com> <1018595989.3cb68a9569d35@192.168.1.15> <3CB691DC.4090103@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1018598631.3cb694e723069@192.168.1.15> -Dave Quoting Kyle Accardi : > Dave wrote: > > > If I recall correctly (it's been some time since I used cdparanoia), you > need > > to open up the cdrom device completely for cdparanoia to work. Ie, 'chmod > > > 777 /dev/cdrom' I may be lying or blowing things out of my anterior end, > but > > hey. > > > You'd think that'd work > > $ cdparanoia 4 > /dev/cdrom exists but isn't accessible. By default, > cdparanoia stops searching for an accessible drive here. > Consider using -s to force a more complete autosense > of the machine. > > More information about /dev/cdrom: > Checking /dev/cdrom for cdrom... > Testing /dev/cdrom for cooked ioctl() interface > /dev/scd1 is not a cooked ioctl CDROM. > Testing /dev/cdrom for SCSI interface > No generic SCSI device found to match CDROM device /dev/scd1 Try looking around for the sg.o module under /lib/modules/kernel-version/... and using the /dev/sg0 device instead. I had similar problems with an older scsi drive when trying to write to it..? Beyond that, I'm going to go sleep now. :) From sandbox at pacifier.com Fri Apr 12 08:16:01 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:16:01 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ripping from cd ? References: <3CB676F7.7080900@pacifier.com> <1018591831.3cb67a57ae2f5@192.168.1.15> <3CB67D1F.4080301@pacifier.com> <1018595989.3cb68a9569d35@192.168.1.15> <3CB691DC.4090103@pacifier.com> <1018598631.3cb694e723069@192.168.1.15> Message-ID: <3CB697C1.9030702@pacifier.com> Dave wrote: > Try looking around for the sg.o module under /lib/modules/kernel-version/... > and using the /dev/sg0 device instead. I had similar problems with an older > scsi drive when trying to write to it..? Beyond that, I'm going to go sleep > now. :) Roger that. Works the way it is as root, but will dick around with it tomorrow.... Out, Kyle From steve at wirex.net Fri Apr 12 09:59:59 2002 From: steve at wirex.net (Steve Beattie) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:59:59 -0700 Subject: Gnupg's insecure memory (was [PLUG] Re: missing features) In-Reply-To: <20020411231023.E14757@defiant.pacifier.com> References: <20020409083732.F5633@defiant> <20020411231023.E14757@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020412095957.GA2301@wirex.net> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:10:23PM -0700, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Bruce Kingsland's Log: StarDate 0409.0837: > > And, mutt/gnupg complain about unsecure memory. > > It was sugested that I'd have to reinstall gnupg to make the unsecured > memory error go away. I'd like another opinion! :) If it can, gnupg will try to "pin" memory so that it is prevented from being swapped out (via the mlock(2) syscall). It then uses this memory for the crucial bits of the encrypt/decrypt/sign/verify algorithms, so that if somebody then rips the hard drive out of your machine, your gpg passphrase or private key (for example) won't show up in the swapped out pages. When memory is paged back in, the disk location is not scrubbed clean of the data residing on it [1]. The mlock(2) syscall requires root privileges however, otherwise any user could perform an easy denial of service attack by creating a process that uses a large amount of memory and then pinning those pages in, preventing them from being swapped out. What's changed is that your gnupg binary is no longer setuid root (and you're wisely not reading email as root), thus it gives you this message (because it's no longer running with root privileges). So you have a security trade-off to make. If you're worried about the physical security of your machine, then setting gnupg setuid root may be appropriate. However, adding yet another setuid root program means that you may potentially be opening up another avenue of attack for someone with a non-privileged shell on your machine to get root privs (attackers will often attack a vulnerable non-root network daemon, using it to give themselves a shell that lets them then start attacking local setuid programs). If there is, for example, an exploitable buffer overflow in gnupg, then by making gnupg setuid you've essentially given anyone who has the ability to run gnupg root access to your machine. Alas, I've had to look at the gnupg source code, and frankly, I don't trust it very much. Therefore, I choose to not make it setuid root, put up with the annoying warning message, and risk the compromise of my private key information by someone who has physical access to my hard drive. But that was an explicit choice I made based on what I see as potential threats and risks, and may not be the appropriate choice for you. [1] Even if the kernel did this, simple scrubbing techniques (e.g. setting to all zeros) aren't effective due to electromagnetic residues. There are devices that can read data that has been written over top of multiple times on disk. -- Steve Beattie Don't trust programmers? Complete StackGuard distro at http://NxNW.org/~steve/ immunix.org http://www.personaltelco.net -- overthrowing QWest, one block at a time. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From john at bagdanoff.com Fri Apr 12 12:50:23 2002 From: john at bagdanoff.com (John) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 05:50:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] How hot is a really hot? Dual Athlon MP on Linux In-Reply-To: <20020412074033.GA4514@zork.orb> References: <200204112154.g3BLsbP13904@gate.daniloff.com> <20020412074033.GA4514@zork.orb> Message-ID: <20020412125023.GB4514@zork.orb> On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 12:40:33AM -0700, John wrote: > With the volcano 6, my idle speed was 36, now it's 37-38 with the ^^^^^ oops, i meant temp :( -- -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ http://www.debian.org/ http://www.pdxlinux.org/ _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Apr 12 14:41:16 2002 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:41:16 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Package upgrades References: Message-ID: <3CB6F20C.8050008@parkrose.k12.or.us> From the Redhat _skipjack_ release notes: Red Hat Linux now includes a port of the Debian alternatives system, as a way to support multiple packages providing a particular service. Every binary/file that would be in common between the multiple packages is replaced with a symlink to /etc; this then resolves to the version of that file for the alternative in question. For example: /usr/sbin/sendmail -> /etc/alternatives/mta -> /usr/bin/sendmail.sendmail These symlinks are added and managed by /usr/sbin/alternatives. See man 8 alternatives for more details Currently, Red Hat Linux offers Sendmail and Postfix as two Mail Transport Agent (MTA) alternatives. For print daemon alternatives, the choices are LPRng and CUPS. Note that the configurations for LPRng and CUPS are completely separate. If you switch from one printing system to another, you will have to reconfigure your printers. -Dan Young Rich Shepard wrote: > OK. I made the soft links from /usr/local/lib to /usr/lib/ and > everything's built and installed just fine. Until I get to sendmail itself. > When I try to freshen the existing installation, I see: > > [root at salmo rshepard]# rpm -Fvh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/sendmail-* > error: failed dependencies: > /usr/sbin/alternatives is needed by sendmail-8.11.6-15 > chkconfig >= 1.3 is needed by sendmail-8.11.6-15 > bash >= 2.0 is needed by sendmail-8.11.6-15 > > I've no idea what /usr/sbin/alternatives is or where to find it. I suppose > that I can upgrade chkconfig easily enough, but ... can I install bash-2.0 > in addition to my existing bash-1.14.7-23.6x? Or, will anything break if I > upgrade from 1.14 to 2.0? As bash is so fundamental to the system I need to > understand what I'm doing before doing it. If there are pointers to docs for > me to read, please pass me a pointer to them. > > Thanks, > > Rich > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Apr 12 14:49:17 2002 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:49:17 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? References: <20020411234624.G14757@defiant.pacifier.com> <3CB6835E.9010608@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <3CB6F3ED.2080709@parkrose.k12.or.us> I've found ftp://limestone.uoregon.edu/redhat/updates/7.2/en/os/ to be reasonably fast and rarely at their anonymous user cap. Go Ducks! -Dan Young Kyle Accardi wrote: <--snip--> > Are you seeking to mirror the RH updates ftp site? > > Check out ftp://ftp.orst.edu/.1/ftp/redhat.com/linux/updates/7.2/en/os/i386 > > When you can get in, they're usually fast. They also mirror older/other > distros. > > Sometimes they lag (by days) the official ftp://updates.redhat.com site, > but this is much slower. From codeyeti at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 15:18:33 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:18:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What does this mean? References: <1018571242.1886.0.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB631F7.D1D0738C@yahoo.com> <1018591084.1886.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <3CB6FAC8.DE4AF2ED@yahoo.com> um... see if there's anything unusual after the rpc line in your logfile... new user accounts, network errors, things that are on the log. I would also check the command history for root to see if there's anything that you don't remember doing. /root/.bash_history And finally, see if you can find out how to do a system checksum audit on the packages you have installed. It depends on what distro you're using, but most package managers let you verify the integrity of your binaries in /bin, /usr/bin, and /sbin. I would recommend getting and using either tripwire or aide. Basically what they do is run a few system integrity checks on your files and make a database of the stats, then whenever you feel like it (or have chron do it) you can run the checks to see what's changed. The difference between the 2 packages, as I understand it... aide=GPL(free as in freedom) tripwire=proprietary(free as in love). And I'm assuming you mean, if the attack worked.... Tschuss --Mike Jon Jacob wrote: > Thanks, Micheal. > > One quick question, how do I know that this worked? From rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com Fri Apr 12 15:24:23 2002 From: rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:24:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need IBM PC line draw chars .... Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463AE93@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> > From: Bruce Kingsland [mailto:brucek at kingkon.com] > Under rh52, when I brought up certain files that contained line draw > chars from the old IBM PC char set (ascii values above 127) I could > see them as expected. Under rh72, these same files produce foreign > symbols rather than line draw chars. Any ideas what changed where, so > that I can continue sane modifications of these files? What changed was the character set of the font you are using. The default install now is a set of iso8859-X (X being 1 to 15) This is to support internationalization. It seems that the USASCII font set is no longer included with RH. I'd suggest grabbing your old CDs and looking for fonts that aren't included any more and installing them. -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From galens at seitzassoc.com Fri Apr 12 15:30:57 2002 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:30:57 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need IBM PC line draw chars .... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:51:58 PDT." <20020411235158.H14757@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <200204121530.g3CFUvP20883@tinman.seitzassoc.com> > > Under rh52, when I brought up certain files that contained line draw > chars from the old IBM PC char set (ascii values above 127) I could > see them as expected. Under rh72, these same files produce foreign > symbols rather than line draw chars. Any ideas what changed where, so > that I can continue sane modifications of these files? > Brought up how/where? Console or X? Less in an xterm/rxvt? Emacs? Dosemu? You will need to configure the appropriate font wherever you are looking at the files. galen From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Apr 12 15:31:48 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Put an End to Word Attachments In-Reply-To: <200204101811.g3AIBMn09948@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Alex Daniloff wrote: > Hey, they even proposed to set up a few good old DOS boxes to read > files created with Word/Excel 3.11. Brilliant idea! Which is > failed,because DOS can't cope anymore with modern BIOSes and P4 > hardware. Alex, Tell them that dosemu will do just fine. I use that for my PIM (Info Select) that I stopped upgrading in 1989. It runs just fine in dosemu and is the most productive and critical tool I've seen on a computer other than jpilot. > In my opinion all these M$ Office formats should be abandoned not only > because they are created by our main foe M$ but because they are not > mantaining persistancy of itself from version to version. When the wind is from the North you can hear the moo-ing coming from Redmond. Incompatibitiles is the sound of their cash cow: upgrades. Of course, they're not assuming the personnel costs of translating everything to keep them current. > We need document and data formats which have live span close to > infinity. Er, ... just like 78 rpm records, 8-track tapes and betamax video formats? Rich From ali at axian.com Fri Apr 12 15:36:04 2002 From: ali at axian.com (Alice Corbin) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:36:04 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need IBM PC line draw chars .... In-Reply-To: <20020411235158.H14757@defiant.pacifier.com>; from brucek@kingkon.com on Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:51:58PM -0700 References: <20020411235158.H14757@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020412083604.A4381@zaphod.axian.com> You're not using the same font that you were before. You either have a different one selected, or the new software loaded a new font with the same name but different characteristics. So, is this in a word-processor where you asked for a specific font? Does that font name still exist? If so, what does it look like now? (You can use xlsfonts and xfd to browse fonts, but you probably have tons to look through.) Or is this in a text-processor that is using the default font. Which font is [YOUR WINDOW MANAGER HERE] using? You can probably change the fonts [YOUR TEXT PROCESSOR HERE] is using by invoking it with the -fn option. Or you can add a line to .Xdefaults, or whatever [YOUR WINDOW MANAGER HERE] is reading to get its resources. Ali On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:51:58PM -0700, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Under rh52, when I brought up certain files that contained line draw > chars from the old IBM PC char set (ascii values above 127) I could > see them as expected. Under rh72, these same files produce foreign > symbols rather than line draw chars. Any ideas what changed where, so > that I can continue sane modifications of these files? > > Thanx, > -bk > -- > Bruce Kingsland > Kingsland Konsulting > brucek at kingkon.com > 503-936-1655 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ---- _____ _ Ali Corbin /, |_ __(_) ___ _ __ Axian, Inc. //| |\\/ /| |/ _ \| '_ \ Phone: (503)644-6106 #205 _____//_| | / / | | |_| | | | | e-mail: ali at axian.com (( // |_|/_/\\|_|\_/|_|_| |_| http://www.axian.com/ ``-'' ``-'' From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Fri Apr 12 16:23:36 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:23:36 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? In-Reply-To: <20020411234624.G14757@defiant.pacifier.com>; from brucek@kingkon.com on Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:46:25PM -0700 References: <20020411234624.G14757@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020412092336.A4734@dalsemi.com> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:46:25PM -0700, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > When I needed a better solution for offline reading of web based USB > solutions, someone suggested wget: > > wget --mirror http://www.linux-usb.org > > And it worked GREAT! So, I thot I'd try: > > wget --mirror http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/rh72-errata.html > > But that only gave me _that_ page, and then proceeded to start from > the top of the redhat domain; and soon I was getting some ad tree at > 10key*.com On that page, there's a link to the top of the website. Give wget the -np switch: Recursive accept/reject: -A, --accept=LIST comma-separated list of accepted extensions. -R, --reject=LIST comma-separated list of rejected extensions. -D, --domains=LIST comma-separated list of accepted domains. --exclude-domains=LIST comma-separated list of rejected domains. --follow-ftp follow FTP links from HTML documents. --follow-tags=LIST comma-separated list of followed HTML tags. -G, --ignore-tags=LIST comma-separated list of ignored HTML tags. -H, --span-hosts go to foreign hosts when recursive. -L, --relative follow relative links only. -I, --include-directories=LIST list of allowed directories. -X, --exclude-directories=LIST list of excluded directories. -nh, --no-host-lookup don't DNS-lookup hosts. -np, --no-parent don't ascend to the parent directory. Colin From alan at clueserver.org Fri Apr 12 15:21:22 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:21:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Strange and mysterious Linux crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200204120821.22619.alan@clueserver.org> On Thursday 11 April 2002 12:52 pm, Matt Alexander wrote: > On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Wil Cooley wrote: > > Also Sprach Matt Alexander on Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at > > 11:58:35AM PDT > > > > > So my Linux box just locked up. I was running VMWare, AIM, Konq, > > > KMail, and quite a few Konsole sessions. I couldn't kill X. So, I > > > grudgingly rebooted, but I got a message about a kernel panic and not > > > finding init. Odd. So I booted from a floppy and mounted my > > > filesystem. Here's what I found: > > > > > > /bin, /lib, and /opt are no longer directories. /bin is now a copy of > > > my passwd file. /lib is now a copy of my group file. And /opt is > > > another copy of my passwd file. /usr/local/lib is now a copy of > > > something that looks like a sound config file, with entries like > > > "synth:64:64:R" and "pcm:64:64:P". > > > > > > SoooooooOOOOooOOOOoOOOoo... what the heck happened? Any guesses? > > > > Do you have an Athlon system with a Via chipset and this > > filesystem is on an IDE drive? > > Nope. PII-400 and SCSI. What distribution and kernel version are you using? If it is Mandrake 8.2, then I think I know what is happening. (There is a rather nasty bug involving devfs and one of the kernel patches they use. (Probably the grsecurity patch, judging by the ksymoops crash dumps.) From alan at clueserver.org Fri Apr 12 15:26:52 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:26:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Uh, oh! rpm --rebuild failed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200204120826.52380.alan@clueserver.org> On Thursday 11 April 2002 07:54 pm, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > > I'd appreciate ideas on what to do about this error. I was rebuilding > > the rawhide-1.0 openldap source package ('rpm --rebuild > > openldap-2.0.23-4.src.rpm') and it happily churned away for a while until > > it choked on this: > > > > mkdir .libs > > grep: /usr/local/lib/libgdbm.la: No such file or directory > > ln -s to the rescue. > > Now it's a matter of what to do about chkconfig and bash. The latest > sendmail wants more current versions than I have installed, and chkconfig's > latest and greatest wants a newer version of initscripts. This is getting > too close to the kernel for me to be comfortable without really > understanding what I'm doing. This looks like you need to rerun "ldconfig". It should not be looking in /usr/local/lib for those files. (Redhat uses /usr/lib for everything "standard".) Also take a look at the spec file for the RPM and see if it is pointing to /usr/local/lib. Might be some developer's screw-up... From alan at clueserver.org Fri Apr 12 15:29:22 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:29:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Package upgrades In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200204120829.22274.alan@clueserver.org> On Thursday 11 April 2002 07:19 pm, Rich Shepard wrote: > OK. I made the soft links from /usr/local/lib to /usr/lib/ and > everything's built and installed just fine. Until I get to sendmail itself. > When I try to freshen the existing installation, I see: > > [root at salmo rshepard]# rpm -Fvh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/sendmail-* > error: failed dependencies: > /usr/sbin/alternatives is needed by sendmail-8.11.6-15 > chkconfig >= 1.3 is needed by sendmail-8.11.6-15 > bash >= 2.0 is needed by sendmail-8.11.6-15 > > I've no idea what /usr/sbin/alternatives is or where to find it. I > suppose that I can upgrade chkconfig easily enough, but ... can I install > bash-2.0 in addition to my existing bash-1.14.7-23.6x? Or, will anything > break if I upgrade from 1.14 to 2.0? As bash is so fundamental to the > system I need to understand what I'm doing before doing it. If there are > pointers to docs for me to read, please pass me a pointer to them. /usr/sbin/alternatives is from the chkconfig package. I have not had anything break upgrading from Bash 1.x to 2.x, but anything truely messy I tend to write in Perl, not Bash. From tjg at craigelachie.org Fri Apr 12 16:55:51 2002 From: tjg at craigelachie.org (Timothy Grant) Date: 12 Apr 2002 09:55:51 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Qt and font handling Message-ID: <1018630558.914.8.camel@reepicheep> Over the last couple of months I have greatly improved the font handling (thanks FreeType) on my machines. I did it two different ways just to get a feel for it: on one of my boxes I used xfs, and on the other I used XFree configuration. Fonts look great in all my GTK apps, however, I do have a couple of Qt apps and play with PyQt, and not only do the fonts look like crap, I can't even get Qt to work with my TrueType fonts. I built Qt 3.0 from source and told it to use Xft when it built, and I am downloading the newest source 3.0.3 and will go through the procedure again just to see what's going on. I'm thinking about taking a look at KDE 3.0, but won't go anywhere near it if I can't get some decent font rendering. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 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Thanks, Rushdan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Smith [mailto:codeyeti at yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 10:57 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] HP Pavilion n5135 locks up in X-Windows - Help :) > > > The only problem that I've had with X killing the system was > with a Matrox > Mellinium that didn't recognize the right amount of video > memory, usually right > after I started to put it on a high graphics load (running a > couple of windows > and mozilla should do nicely) that took about 10 minutes > after X started up. > If you're using X v4.x, have a look-see at /var/log/X* and go > to the point > where the server says how much memory it found. If it's not > getting the right > stuff, then you have to explicitly state it in the /etc/XFree86.conf. > > "Abdul-Khaliq, Rushdan" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I was wondering if anyone has any experience working with > Linux on laptops. > > > > I have an HP Pavilion n5135 that I installed RH7.2, SUSE > 7.3, Mandrake > > 8.1/8.2 and always come across the same issue - the system > locks up while > > working in X-Windows. I am not doing anything out of the > ordinary with the > > installs, just default install, ... using OS embedded S3 > video drivers. > > When I start the X-Window session, it will normally work > for about 10 > > minutes and then all of a sudden the system will lock-up, > at this point you > > cannot even switch to a console, you have to reboot to > recover. At first I > > thought that maybe it was the meager 64MB RAM I had > installed, but after > > upgrading to 256MB I still have the issue. I also tried looking for > > instructions on the Linux for Laptops site > > (http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hp.html), but the link for > the HP n5135 was > > broken :( > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From rushdan.abdul-khaliq at intel.com Fri Apr 12 17:05:52 2002 From: rushdan.abdul-khaliq at intel.com (Abdul-Khaliq, Rushdan) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:05:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] HP Pavilion n5135 locks up in X-Windows - Help :) Message-ID: <8A9A5F4E6576D511B98F00508B68C20A1A1AC4@orsmsx106.jf.intel.com> > Is it only when working in X, or can you get it to lock > without X (creating a > load might be dificult though, try compiling something, like > a kernel)? > Only occurs when I work in X, ... haven't locked up without X running. > > Does the syslog reveal any clues? > No clues here :( > One possible source is the PCMCIA stuff, does it lock if you > remove all of your > cards? Still locks. > > Another wild idea is, that the framebuffers for console is > enabled, do you get a > cute little penguin in the upper left hand corner during > boot? This has been > known to cause problems on other systems, and XFree86 doesn't > need framebuffers. Yes, I do get the penguin on the top left of the screen during boot. How do I disable framebuffers? I found a line in the /etc/X11/XF86Config file that said "load dbe", ... I tried launching X after commenting this line out and the system locked up a lot faster (2 min compared to the normal 10 min). Thanks, Rushdan. From wcooley at nakedape.cc Fri Apr 12 17:28:12 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:28:12 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need IBM PC line draw chars .... In-Reply-To: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463AE93@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com>; from rasmussenm@columbiafunds.com on Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 08:24:23AM -0700 References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463AE93@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: <20020412102812.N4253@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Michael Rasmussen on Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 08:24:23AM PDT > > From: Bruce Kingsland [mailto:brucek at kingkon.com] > > > Under rh52, when I brought up certain files that contained line draw > > chars from the old IBM PC char set (ascii values above 127) I could > > see them as expected. Under rh72, these same files produce foreign > > symbols rather than line draw chars. Any ideas what changed where, so > > that I can continue sane modifications of these files? > > > What changed was the character set of the font you are using. The default > install now is a set of iso8859-X (X being 1 to 15) This is to support > internationalization. It seems that the USASCII font set is no longer > included with RH. I'd suggest grabbing your old CDs and looking for fonts > that aren't included any more and installing them. Or use 'latin1'. To view files with high-bit chars in less, I set 'LESSCHARSET=latin1'. Mutt and links use line drawing, and I didn't have to do anything for them to work right. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc irc.linux.com #orlug,#pdxlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From guy1656 at ados.com Fri Apr 12 17:29:30 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:29:30 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OT Pong In-Reply-To: <20020411185309.B5064@melvin.leckey.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020411100547.00b3ddf8@localhost> <20020411134146.A15408@nellump.com> <20020411185309.B5064@melvin.leckey.net> Message-ID: <20020412171929.A57E834384@ados.com> Reply regarding Re: [PLUG] Pong from Patrick Leckey: # > What are "the 60's?" :-) # The decade that should go away, but is too high to know any better. # I've always enjoyed the term 'resi-dudes.' GLL From zot at whiteknighthackers.com Fri Apr 12 17:34:35 2002 From: zot at whiteknighthackers.com (Zot O'Connor) Date: 12 Apr 2002 10:34:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Adv topic speaker needed, wine tasting expert? In-Reply-To: <1018485868.30905.368.camel@kat.zotnet.com> References: <1018485868.30905.368.camel@kat.zotnet.com> Message-ID: <1018632875.3253.51.camel@kat.zotnet.com> We still need a speaker for this topic! Someone who has made wine work well, and/or someone running the office version would be cool. No presentation per se, just proof it works :) On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 17:44, Zot O'Connor wrote: > It occurred to me a fun AT would be a "WINE" clinic. > > This is where people bring in laptops/systems and someone who has gotten > many apps to work under WINE describes WINE and we all try to get the > largest number of Games ^H^H^H^H^H^ Applications running. > > Any speakers? > > > -- > Zot O'Connor > > http://www.ZotConsulting.com > http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com From jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 18:28:44 2002 From: jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com (Jon Jacob) Date: 12 Apr 2002 11:28:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What does this mean? In-Reply-To: <3CB6FAC8.DE4AF2ED@yahoo.com> References: <1018571242.1886.0.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB631F7.D1D0738C@yahoo.com> <1018591084.1886.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB6FAC8.DE4AF2ED@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1018636124.1889.10.camel@lana.manymoons.net> I apologize. I was not clear. How do I know if the addition to /etc/hosts.deny worked. Unfortunately, it looks as if it occurred again. However, nothing seems to have been changed or really "attacked" On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 08:18, Michael Smith wrote: > um... see if there's anything unusual after the rpc line in your logfile... new user accounts, network errors, things that are on the log. > > I would also check the command history for root to see if there's anything that you don't remember doing. /root/.bash_history > > And finally, see if you can find out how to do a system checksum audit on the packages you have installed. It depends on what distro you're using, but most package managers let you verify the integrity of your binaries in /bin, /usr/bin, and /sbin. > > I would recommend getting and using either tripwire or aide. Basically what they do is run a few system integrity checks on your files and make a database of the stats, then whenever you feel like it (or have chron do it) you can run the checks to see what's changed. The difference between the 2 packages, as I understand it... aide=GPL(free as in freedom) tripwire=proprietary(free as in love). > > And I'm assuming you mean, if the attack worked.... > > Tschuss > --Mike > > > Jon Jacob wrote: > > > Thanks, Micheal. > > > > One quick question, how do I know that this worked? > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From codeyeti at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 18:44:54 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:44:54 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What does this mean? References: <1018571242.1886.0.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB631F7.D1D0738C@yahoo.com> <1018591084.1886.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB6FAC8.DE4AF2ED@yahoo.com> <1018636124.1889.10.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <3CB72B26.40205@yahoo.com> Short of trying to access rpc yourself, not much. I usually block out the port with ipchains/iptables because even if you're not running anything there, it gets probed alot. If you're getting repeat probes this close together, then you might have a problem of some sort...or at least somebody knows you're running rpc. Jon Jacob wrote: > I apologize. > > I was not clear. How do I know if the addition to /etc/hosts.deny > worked. From jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 18:47:14 2002 From: jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com (Jon Jacob) Date: 12 Apr 2002 11:47:14 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What does this mean? In-Reply-To: <3CB72B26.40205@yahoo.com> References: <1018571242.1886.0.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB631F7.D1D0738C@yahoo.com> <1018591084.1886.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB6FAC8.DE4AF2ED@yahoo.com> <1018636124.1889.10.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB72B26.40205@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1018637235.1889.14.camel@lana.manymoons.net> I appreciate your help and insights, but I need to ask one more question. To be honest, I have been very slow to enact my firewall. I run ipchains so I can masquerade but don't block anything bec I have been unable to get it to work right. Do you have an example of an ipchains script that might help. I have found a few but none work they way they claim to. On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 11:44, Michael Smith wrote: > Short of trying to access rpc yourself, not much. I usually block out > the port with ipchains/iptables because even if you're not running > anything there, it gets probed alot. > > If you're getting repeat probes this close together, then you might have > a problem of some sort...or at least somebody knows you're running rpc. > > Jon Jacob wrote: > > I apologize. > > > > I was not clear. How do I know if the addition to /etc/hosts.deny > > worked. > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From codeyeti at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 19:00:49 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:00:49 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What does this mean? References: <1018571242.1886.0.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB631F7.D1D0738C@yahoo.com> <1018591084.1886.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB6FAC8.DE4AF2ED@yahoo.com> <1018636124.1889.10.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB72B26.40205@yahoo.com> <1018637235.1889.14.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <3CB72EE1.20003@yahoo.com> OK, this is what I do: nmap my box to see what ports are open and have something answering. Then I kill them with the following: ipchains -I INPUT 1 -p TCP -s 0.0.0.0/0 -d 0.0.0.0/0 111 -j REJECT That blocks all traffic on port 111 from the world to the world and drops the packet completely. There's a howto for this on http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Firewall-HOWTO.html Jon Jacob wrote: > I appreciate your help and insights, but I need to ask one more > question. > > To be honest, I have been very slow to enact my firewall. I run > ipchains so I can masquerade but don't block anything bec I have been > unable to get it to work right. Do you have an example of an ipchains > script that might help. I have found a few but none work they way they > claim to. From dave at pakled.mmcc.cx Fri Apr 12 19:39:13 2002 From: dave at pakled.mmcc.cx (Dave) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:39:13 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Adv topic speaker needed, wine tasting expert? In-Reply-To: <1018632875.3253.51.camel@kat.zotnet.com> References: <1018485868.30905.368.camel@kat.zotnet.com> <1018632875.3253.51.camel@kat.zotnet.com> Message-ID: <1018640353.3cb737e1cb7b4@192.168.1.15> Long, long ago, I got starcraft w/ battlnet to work? -Dave Quoting Zot O'Connor : > We still need a speaker for this topic! > > Someone who has made wine work well, and/or someone running the office > version would be cool. > > No presentation per se, just proof it works :) > > > On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 17:44, Zot O'Connor wrote: > > It occurred to me a fun AT would be a "WINE" clinic. > > > > This is where people bring in laptops/systems and someone who has gotten > > many apps to work under WINE describes WINE and we all try to get the > > largest number of Games ^H^H^H^H^H^ Applications running. > > > > Any speakers? > > > > > > -- > > Zot O'Connor > > > > http://www.ZotConsulting.com > > http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > -- > Zot O'Connor > > http://www.ZotConsulting.com > http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From srau at rauhaus.org Fri Apr 12 19:49:50 2002 From: srau at rauhaus.org (Stafford A. Rau) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:49:50 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What does this mean? In-Reply-To: <1018637235.1889.14.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <1018571242.1886.0.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB631F7.D1D0738C@yahoo.com> <1018591084.1886.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB6FAC8.DE4AF2ED@yahoo.com> <1018636124.1889.10.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB72B26.40205@yahoo.com> <1018637235.1889.14.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <20020412194950.GB833@rauhaus.org> * Jon Jacob [020412 11:43]: > I appreciate your help and insights, but I need to ask one more > question. > > To be honest, I have been very slow to enact my firewall. I run > ipchains so I can masquerade but don't block anything bec I have been > unable to get it to work right. Do you have an example of an ipchains > script that might help. I have found a few but none work they way they > claim to. You might want to take a look at the Shoreline Firewall (http://www.shorewall.net). It's a GPL'd firewall package built on top of iptables. Text file configs, no fancy gui, and you can see the exact iptables commands it outputs. --Stafford From srau at rauhaus.org Fri Apr 12 19:51:43 2002 From: srau at rauhaus.org (Stafford A. Rau) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:51:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What does this mean? In-Reply-To: <1018637235.1889.14.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <1018571242.1886.0.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB631F7.D1D0738C@yahoo.com> <1018591084.1886.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB6FAC8.DE4AF2ED@yahoo.com> <1018636124.1889.10.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB72B26.40205@yahoo.com> <1018637235.1889.14.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <20020412195143.GC833@rauhaus.org> Oh, one more point. On an Internet exposed box, you really don't want to leave portmapper open. It's been the target of many an exploit, and unless you're using NFS or NIS, you don't need it at all. I generally remove it as one of the first things I do on a box. --Stafford From John.Hampton at gijoes.com Fri Apr 12 20:44:03 2002 From: John.Hampton at gijoes.com (John Hampton) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:44:03 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Screwy mouse Message-ID: <76CAC90361FD1B4EABBCDEE0B822B844014CB3@gilligan.gijoes.com> OK Pluggers! I have a co-worker that installed Red-Hat 7.2 on a test box. He did the easiest install possible (ie, automatic partitioning, etc.) The problem is that the mouse is going crazy under X. It is a normal 2-button ps2 mouse (made by dell). The entries in /etc/sysconfig/mouse all look fine to me, but when you go into X and move the mouse, it jumps to the bottom left-hand corner of the screen and then it looks like the button is stuck because whenever you try to move it, it opens up the foot menu (in GNOME) and then jumps back down to the corner. Anyone have any bright ideas? the contents of /etc/sysconfig/mouse are below: FULLNAME="Microsoft - IntelliMouse (PS/2)" MOUSETYPE="imps2" XEMU3="no" XMOUSETYPE="IMPS/2" Thanks. John Hampton Programmer Analyst G.I. Joe's, Inc. john.hampton at gijoes.com From mking at magnetinternet.com Fri Apr 12 20:49:38 2002 From: mking at magnetinternet.com (Matt King) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Screwy mouse In-Reply-To: <76CAC90361FD1B4EABBCDEE0B822B844014CB3@gilligan.gijoes.com> References: <76CAC90361FD1B4EABBCDEE0B822B844014CB3@gilligan.gijoes.com> Message-ID: <63475.63.105.24.103.1018644578.squirrel@webmail.magnetinternet.com> Try changing mousetype to imps/2. The easiest way would probably to look in the XF86Config file. I'm not a Redhat person so I don't know where it would be located exactly (could be in the /etc/X11 directory). I'd look there first to see under the "InputDevice" Section if "protocol" is set to imps/2. It's most likely there that the problem lies. > OK Pluggers! I have a co-worker that installed Red-Hat 7.2 on a test > box. He did the easiest install possible (ie, automatic partitioning, > etc.) The problem is that the mouse is going crazy under X. It is a > normal 2-button ps2 mouse (made by dell). The entries in > /etc/sysconfig/mouse all look fine to me, but when you go into X and > move the mouse, it jumps to the bottom left-hand corner of the screen > and then it looks like the button is stuck because whenever you try to > move it, it opens up the foot menu (in GNOME) and then jumps back down > to the corner. Anyone have any bright ideas? the contents of > /etc/sysconfig/mouse are below: > > FULLNAME="Microsoft - IntelliMouse (PS/2)" > MOUSETYPE="imps2" > XEMU3="no" > XMOUSETYPE="IMPS/2" > > Thanks. > > John Hampton > Programmer Analyst > G.I. Joe's, Inc. > john.hampton at gijoes.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From codeyeti at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 20:50:51 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:50:51 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Screwy mouse References: <76CAC90361FD1B4EABBCDEE0B822B844014CB3@gilligan.gijoes.com> Message-ID: <3CB748AB.2070003@yahoo.com> The Intellimouse is a "scrollie" mouse, isn't it? Try "ms" or "ms+" for a 2-button. John Hampton wrote: > OK Pluggers! I have a co-worker that installed Red-Hat 7.2 on a test box. He did the easiest install possible (ie, automatic partitioning, etc.) The problem is that the mouse is going crazy under X. It is a normal 2-button ps2 mouse (made by dell). The entries in /etc/sysconfig/mouse all look fine to me, but when you go into X and move the mouse, it jumps to the bottom left-hand corner of the screen and then it looks like the button is stuck because whenever you try to move it, it opens up the foot menu (in GNOME) and then jumps back down to the corner. Anyone have any bright ideas? the contents of /etc/sysconfig/mouse are below: > > FULLNAME="Microsoft - IntelliMouse (PS/2)" > MOUSETYPE="imps2" > XEMU3="no" > XMOUSETYPE="IMPS/2" > > Thanks. > > John Hampton > Programmer Analyst > G.I. Joe's, Inc. > john.hampton at gijoes.com From rddunlap at osdl.org Fri Apr 12 20:50:48 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Screwy mouse In-Reply-To: <76CAC90361FD1B4EABBCDEE0B822B844014CB3@gilligan.gijoes.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, John Hampton wrote: | OK Pluggers! I have a co-worker that installed Red-Hat 7.2 on a test box. He did the easiest install possible (ie, automatic partitioning, etc.) The problem is that the mouse is going crazy under X. It is a normal 2-button ps2 mouse (made by dell). The entries in /etc/sysconfig/mouse all look fine to me, but when you go into X and move the mouse, it jumps to the bottom left-hand corner of the screen and then it looks like the button is stuck because whenever you try to move it, it opens up the foot menu (in GNOME) and then jumps back down to the corner. Anyone have any bright ideas? the contents of /etc/sysconfig/mouse are below: | | FULLNAME="Microsoft - IntelliMouse (PS/2)" | MOUSETYPE="imps2" | XEMU3="no" | XMOUSETYPE="IMPS/2" No wheel on the mouse? Try "PS2" instead of "imps2". Probably use "PS/2" instead of "IMPS/2". HTH. -- ~Randy From John.Hampton at gijoes.com Fri Apr 12 21:03:34 2002 From: John.Hampton at gijoes.com (John Hampton) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:03:34 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Screwy mouse -- Solved Message-ID: <76CAC90361FD1B4EABBCDEE0B822B844014CB4@gilligan.gijoes.com> Randy said: >No wheel on the mouse? > >Try "PS2" instead of "imps2". >Probably use "PS/2" instead of "IMPS/2". That did it. Thanks everyone. John Hampton Programmer Analyst G.I. Joe's, Inc. john.hampton at gijoes.com From derek at infotects.com Fri Apr 12 21:19:28 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: 12 Apr 2002 14:19:28 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] HP Pavilion n5135 locks up in X-Windows - Help :) In-Reply-To: <8A9A5F4E6576D511B98F00508B68C20A1A1AC4@orsmsx106.jf.intel.com> References: <8A9A5F4E6576D511B98F00508B68C20A1A1AC4@orsmsx106.jf.intel.com> Message-ID: <1018646374.597.25.camel@dereklinux> On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 10:05, Abdul-Khaliq, Rushdan wrote: > > Yes, I do get the penguin on the top left of the screen during boot. How do > I disable framebuffers? > I found a line in the /etc/X11/XF86Config file that said "load dbe", ... I > tried launching X after commenting this line out and the system locked up a > lot faster (2 min compared to the normal 10 min). Well, that is progress, of a sort. Do you have a line for UseFBDev in the video card section? Option "UseFBDev" "true" Try setting this to false. The console framebuffer (that is the cause of the cute penguin) is enabled in the kernel, there may be another way to turn it off, but I recompile the kernel without the console frame buffer to disable it. I've heard of various problems with the console framebuffer, so this may be worth a try. Good Luck Derek Loree From MNJOFRED at cs.com Fri Apr 12 21:22:36 2002 From: MNJOFRED at cs.com (MNJOFRED at cs.com) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:22:36 EDT Subject: [PLUG] .pps files Message-ID: <1a7.a28987.29e8aa1c@cs.com> I received some fotos on c.s. but my media player will not show them! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From russj at dimstar.net Fri Apr 12 21:33:23 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:33:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] .pps files In-Reply-To: <1a7.a28987.29e8aa1c@cs.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020412143258.020ad218@localhost> Sounds like a PowerPoint presentation from the extension. At 05:22 PM 4/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I received some fotos on c.s. but my media player will not show them! Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net How do "Do Not Walk On Grass" signs get there? From deanm at sharplabs.com Fri Apr 12 21:38:49 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Strange and mysterious Linux crash In-Reply-To: <200204120821.22619.alan@clueserver.org> (message from Alan on Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:21:22 -0700) References: <200204120821.22619.alan@clueserver.org> Message-ID: <20020412213849.BD08B10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> :: What distribution and kernel version are you using? :: :: If it is Mandrake 8.2, then I think I know what is happening. (There is a :: rather nasty bug involving devfs and one of the kernel patches they use. :: (Probably the grsecurity patch, judging by the ksymoops crash dumps.) :: In 8.2? I must have missed it. Could you send me a pointer? Thanks. Dean From tjg at craigelachie.org Fri Apr 12 22:26:35 2002 From: tjg at craigelachie.org (Timothy Grant) Date: 12 Apr 2002 15:26:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Qt and font handling In-Reply-To: <1018630558.914.8.camel@reepicheep> References: <1018630558.914.8.camel@reepicheep> Message-ID: <1018650400.914.13.camel@reepicheep> On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 09:55, Timothy Grant wrote: > Fonts look great in all my GTK apps, however, I do have a couple of Qt > apps and play with PyQt, and not only do the fonts look like crap, I > can't even get Qt to work with my TrueType fonts. > > I built Qt 3.0 from source and told it to use Xft when it built, and I > am downloading the newest source 3.0.3 and will go through the procedure > again just to see what's going on. I'm thinking about taking a look at > KDE 3.0, but won't go anywhere near it if I can't get some decent font > rendering. So, I think replying to your own posts is like laughing at your own jokes, but... I built Qt 3.0.3 today, and the font dialogues now display my TT fonts and everything, so I'm guessing there must have been some font problem in Qt 3.0. Things still aren't perfect, but they are vastly improved. -- Stand Fast, tjg. Timothy Grant www.craigelachie.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From seniorr at aracnet.com Fri Apr 12 23:40:45 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 12 Apr 2002 16:40:45 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Computational Geometry Message-ID: <861ydkzds2.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> I am looking for some advice. I am going to be needing to compute "distance to nearest surface" from random points in a 3D space containing various geometric shapes. Has anyone done anything like this before? Are there any good algorithms for "distance to nearest surface" that you know of? Any suggestions on where to look? References? Links? Thanks heaps! -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From fedorp at wv.mentorg.com Sat Apr 13 00:42:48 2002 From: fedorp at wv.mentorg.com (Fedor G. Pikus) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Computational Geometry In-Reply-To: <861ydkzds2.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: The solution to your problem depends greatly on how the geometries are specified. If you have formulaes, i.e. f1(x, y, z) = 0, f2(x, y, z ) = 0, etc, then what you have is a non-linear optimization problem: find minimum of a certain function or the smallest of minimums of several functions. There are, of course, various optimization techniques, for example using bounding boxes on the shapes to quickly determine which ones are definitely not the closest one. Also, you can predict how accurate your result is, and what's the complexity of computing it. On the other hand, if your shapes are "sampled", i.e. you have a collection of points, or a "black box" which for any given point will tell you if it's inside a shape or outside, the problem is much harder. Unless you have some information about how "regular" the shapes are, you cannot even reliably estimate how close your solution is to the true closest distance. In general, in such situation you should be looking at various stohastic methods, like Monte Carlo. (note that a wire frame or some other interpolated shape is in some way closer to the first type that the second, because you actually describe it with a formula, although a very complex one with many parameters, so you can estimate the quality of your solution). Mathematically, your problem is not specific to geometry, but is an optimization problem, of one of several kinds. After you determine what type of optimization problem you are dealing with, look for books on optimization. On 12 Apr 2002, Russell Senior wrote: > I am looking for some advice. I am going to be needing to compute > "distance to nearest surface" from random points in a 3D space > containing various geometric shapes. Has anyone done anything like > this before? Are there any good algorithms for "distance to nearest > surface" that you know of? Any suggestions on where to look? > References? Links? > > Thanks heaps! > > -- Fedor G. Pikus Mentor Graphics Corporation | Phone: (503) 685-4857 8405 SW Boeckman Road | FAX: (503) 685-1239 Wilsonville, Oregon 97070 | http://www.pikus.net/~pikus/ From deanm at sharplabs.com Sat Apr 13 00:44:40 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Computational Geometry In-Reply-To: <861ydkzds2.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> (message from Russell Senior on 12 Apr 2002 16:40:45 -0700) References: <861ydkzds2.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <20020413004440.8AB1810E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> :: I am looking for some advice. I am going to be needing to compute :: "distance to nearest surface" from random points in a 3D space :: containing various geometric shapes. Has anyone done anything like :: this before? Are there any good algorithms for "distance to nearest :: surface" that you know of? Any suggestions on where to look? :: References? Links? :: :: Thanks heaps! Some questions before I answer. 1. Do you have analytic expressions for the geometric surfaces and their positions in the 3D space? 2. Are all the surfaces convex? 3. If the answer to 1 is "no" but 2 is "yes", what is the nature of the non-analyticity? Corners? This probably brings back bad memories of college maths to some. If nobody else chimes in with germane comments perhaps we should take this off-line, yes? Regards, Dean S. Messing Information Systems Technologies Dept. Sharp Laboratories of America E-Mail: deanm at sharplabs.com From deathfox at moochercrew.org Sat Apr 13 01:03:04 2002 From: deathfox at moochercrew.org (Chris Emery) Date: 12 Apr 2002 18:03:04 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What does this mean? In-Reply-To: <1018637235.1889.14.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <1018571242.1886.0.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB631F7.D1D0738C@yahoo.com> <1018591084.1886.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB6FAC8.DE4AF2ED@yahoo.com> <1018636124.1889.10.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB72B26.40205@yahoo.com> <1018637235.1889.14.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <1018659784.28078.1.camel@arisu> If you have GTK+ installed on your computer, or have no issues in doing so, the program Firestarter, which is a gnome program builds a Firewall using IPchanes or IPtables, and works very well. It allows you to set up Nat, and which ports you want open, along with port forwarding or anything else you might want to set up. On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 11:47, Jon Jacob wrote: > I appreciate your help and insights, but I need to ask one more > question. > > To be honest, I have been very slow to enact my firewall. I run > ipchains so I can masquerade but don't block anything bec I have been > unable to get it to work right. Do you have an example of an ipchains > script that might help. I have found a few but none work they way they > claim to. > > > On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 11:44, Michael Smith wrote: > > Short of trying to access rpc yourself, not much. I usually block out > > the port with ipchains/iptables because even if you're not running > > anything there, it gets probed alot. > > > > If you're getting repeat probes this close together, then you might have > > a problem of some sort...or at least somebody knows you're running rpc. > > > > Jon Jacob wrote: > > > I apologize. > > > > > > I was not clear. How do I know if the addition to /etc/hosts.deny > > > worked. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com Sat Apr 13 01:59:35 2002 From: jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com (Jon Jacob) Date: 12 Apr 2002 18:59:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What does this mean? In-Reply-To: <1018659784.28078.1.camel@arisu> References: <1018571242.1886.0.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB631F7.D1D0738C@yahoo.com> <1018591084.1886.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB6FAC8.DE4AF2ED@yahoo.com> <1018636124.1889.10.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB72B26.40205@yahoo.com> <1018637235.1889.14.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <1018659784.28078.1.camel@arisu> Message-ID: <1018663176.1886.40.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Actually, after sending the note that any examples I found failed me, I decided to look again. I found one at http://www.redhat.com/support/resources/tips/firewall/firewallss.txt that works very well. Thanks for all your hope, though, I will keep all that in mind, and in the future I will not do security through obscurity :) On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 18:03, Chris Emery wrote: > If you have GTK+ installed on your computer, or have no issues in doing > so, the program Firestarter, which is a gnome program builds a Firewall > using IPchanes or IPtables, and works very well. It allows you to set > up Nat, and which ports you want open, along with port forwarding or > anything else you might want to set up. > > On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 11:47, Jon Jacob wrote: > > I appreciate your help and insights, but I need to ask one more > > question. > > > > To be honest, I have been very slow to enact my firewall. I run > > ipchains so I can masquerade but don't block anything bec I have been > > unable to get it to work right. Do you have an example of an ipchains > > script that might help. I have found a few but none work they way they > > claim to. > > > > > > On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 11:44, Michael Smith wrote: > > > Short of trying to access rpc yourself, not much. I usually block out > > > the port with ipchains/iptables because even if you're not running > > > anything there, it gets probed alot. > > > > > > If you're getting repeat probes this close together, then you might have > > > a problem of some sort...or at least somebody knows you're running rpc. > > > > > > Jon Jacob wrote: > > > > I apologize. > > > > > > > > I was not clear. How do I know if the addition to /etc/hosts.deny > > > > worked. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From m at netpro.to Sat Apr 13 02:35:41 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Lycoris? Message-ID: My manager approached me today and said she'd like me to setup a Linux box for her to play around with. She's interested in replacing many of our employee's workstations with Linux. She's fairly open-minded about using Linux, but she wants to make absolutely sure it does everything our users expect to be able to do. Anywho, I'm experimenting with some of the more "desktop friendly" distros and I'd like to test Lycoris. I haven't had any luck getting an ISO yet (particularly since it was mentioned on Slashdot today), but if someone has it or gets it before me and can setup an ftp site for me to download it from, I'd really appreciate it. Here's the URL: http://www.lycoris.com/download/ Thanks, ~M P.S. Save the "Linux has no place on the desktop" nonsense for another day please. ;-) From seniorr at aracnet.com Sat Apr 13 04:26:31 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 12 Apr 2002 21:26:31 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Computational Geometry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86u1qgz0js.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Fedor" == Fedor G Pikus writes: Fedor> The solution to your problem depends greatly on how the Fedor> geometries are specified. If you have formulaes, i.e. f1(x, y, Fedor> z) = 0, f2(x, y, z ) = 0, etc, then what you have is a Fedor> non-linear optimization problem: find minimum of a certain Fedor> function or the smallest of minimums of several functions. The objects will all be in the form of 3D primitive shapes: cylinders, spheres, toroids, boxes, maybe more general primitives, all parametrized, and possibly composites of these, maybe using Constructive Solid Geometry (CSG) boolean operations. The set of shapes might come out of a CAD or similar program (directly or indirectly). So, part of my question is how are such shapes usually represented? And secondly, what algorithms exist that are applicable (or even specific) to those shapes and representations? Generally, I expect to have to iterate over all the shapes in the model, computing the distance to each one and picking the smallest. Fedor> There are, of course, various optimization techniques, for Fedor> example using bounding boxes on the shapes to quickly determine Fedor> which ones are definitely not the closest one. Yeah, I had thought of that possibility. Fedor> Mathematically, your problem is not specific to geometry, but Fedor> is an optimization problem, of one of several kinds. After you Fedor> determine what type of optimization problem you are dealing Fedor> with, look for books on optimization. My problem seems like something that someone else would have solved before. I was hoping I could converge on a suitable approach fairly quickly, but even without that, if someone could just point me at a resource that surveyed what I needed to get up-to-speed, that would be great. For those interested, I am preparing to rewrite a program that computes space potential and electric field using a monte-carlo random-walk procedure. From each point of interest, a large number of random walks are launched which ultimately terminate on a conductor in the model, which has a specified potential (i.e. voltage). Statistically, the space potential of the point of interest is equal to the product of the probability of landing on the conductor and its voltage. I am not an EE so I don't quite understand why that works, just that, as revealed wisdom, it apparently does. Each step of the random walk has a length equal to the distance of the nearest surface, which means that computing the distance is in the inner-most loop of the algorithm and so doing it as efficiently as possible is a Good Thing. The version I am working from was written by an EE in Fortran "some time ago", originally to run on big iron and later minimally ported to MS Fortran on NT. I am rewriting it to try to take advantage of "advances" made in the interim, tighten up a few algorithmic things, and also to give us more operational flexibility (better control over input and output, etc). Also probably design in some distributed computation (since the random walks are pretty much independent operations and there are lots of them). Thanks! -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From canadien at alumni.uwaterloo.ca Sat Apr 13 04:36:11 2002 From: canadien at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Pete & The Dawgz) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:36:11 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] xircom cardbus not identified in mandrake 8.2 Message-ID: <000001c1e2a4$c000b3f0$0300a8c0@pingus.com> For some mandrake 8.2 will not install my pcmcia realport Xircom cardbus rbe-100 ethernet card. Mandrake 8.1 installs it correctly everytime. How can I install it in 8.2? Peter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sean_whitney at bigfoot.com Sat Apr 13 04:54:39 2002 From: sean_whitney at bigfoot.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:54:39 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Lycoris? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020413045440.70E14C51B@max.seansdomain.org> I downloaded and installed it on my wife's computer. It was pretty slick, my problems (and only my problems) 1) I use debian on everything else 2) It didn't fit very well into my debian NIS/NFS architecture. I finally just installed debian, and my wife (the epitome of the non-computer user, loves it) 3) Linux is for the desktop, ask my wife. Sean On Friday 12 April 2002 19:35, you hammered at the keyboard: > My manager approached me today and said she'd like me to setup a Linux box > for her to play around with. She's interested in replacing many of our > employee's workstations with Linux. She's fairly open-minded about using > Linux, but she wants to make absolutely sure it does everything our users > expect to be able to do. Anywho, I'm experimenting with some of the more > "desktop friendly" distros and I'd like to test Lycoris. I haven't had > any luck getting an ISO yet (particularly since it was mentioned on > Slashdot today), but if someone has it or gets it before me and can setup > an ftp site for me to download it from, I'd really appreciate it. > > Here's the URL: > > http://www.lycoris.com/download/ > > Thanks, > ~M > P.S. Save the "Linux has no place on the desktop" nonsense for another > day please. ;-) > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- This here's the wattle, The emblem of our land. You can stick it in a bottle; You can hold it in your hand. Amen! -- Monty Python From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sat Apr 13 05:00:01 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Computational Geometry In-Reply-To: <86u1qgz0js.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: On 12 Apr 2002, Russell Senior wrote: > The objects will all be in the form of 3D primitive shapes: cylinders, > spheres, toroids, boxes, maybe more general primitives, all > parametrized, and possibly composites of these, maybe using > Constructive Solid Geometry (CSG) boolean operations. The set of > shapes might come out of a CAD or similar program (directly or > indirectly). Potential references: de Berg, M., M. van Kreveld, M. Overmars, O. Schwarzkopf. 1998. Computational Geometry: Algorithms and Applications. Second Ed. Springer-Verlag. ISBN: 3-540-65620-0. O'Rourke, J. 2000. Computational Geometry in C. Second Ed. Cambridge University Press. ISBN: 0-521-64976-5. Worboys, M.F. 1995. GIS: A Computing Perspective. Taylor & Francis Publishers. ISBN: 0-7484-0065-6. Rigaux P., M. Scholl, A. Voisard. 2002. Spatial Databases, With Application to GIS. Morgan Kaufmann Publishers. ISBN: 1-55860-588-6. Rich Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM) 2404 SW 22nd Street | Troutdale, OR 97060-1247 | U.S.A. + 1 503-667-4517 (voice) | + 1 503-667-8863 (fax) | rshepard at appl-ecosys.com http://www.appl-ecosys.com From revans at e-z.net Sat Apr 13 08:25:07 2002 From: revans at e-z.net (Russell Evans) Date: 13 Apr 2002 01:25:07 PDT Subject: [PLUG] Lycoris? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Post a request to taclug, general at taclug.org . I say about 50% of the posts last month were about lycoris. There were posts of isos and such. Thank you Russell On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:35:41 -0700 (PDT), Matt Alexander said: > My manager approached me today and said she'd like me to setup a Linux box > for her to play around with. She's interested in replacing many of our > employee's workstations with Linux. She's fairly open-minded about using > Linux, but she wants to make absolutely sure it does everything our users > expect to be able to do. Anywho, I'm experimenting with some of the more > "desktop friendly" distros and I'd like to test Lycoris. I haven't had > any luck getting an ISO yet (particularly since it was mentioned on > Slashdot today), but if someone has it or gets it before me and can setup > an ftp site for me to download it from, I'd really appreciate it. > > Here's the URL: > > http://www.lycoris.com/download/ > > Thanks, > ~M > P.S. Save the "Linux has no place on the desktop" nonsense for another > day please. ;-) > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > From aj at haightmail.org Sat Apr 13 10:46:44 2002 From: aj at haightmail.org (Aj Lavin) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 03:46:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Computational Geometry In-Reply-To: <86u1qgz0js.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> References: <86u1qgz0js.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <20020413104644.GA18877@zappa> On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 09:26:31PM -0700, Russell Senior wrote: > >>>>> "Fedor" == Fedor G Pikus writes: > > Fedor> The solution to your problem depends greatly on how the > Fedor> geometries are specified. If you have formulaes, i.e. f1(x, y, > Fedor> z) = 0, f2(x, y, z ) = 0, etc, then what you have is a > Fedor> non-linear optimization problem: find minimum of a certain > Fedor> function or the smallest of minimums of several functions. > > The objects will all be in the form of 3D primitive shapes: cylinders, > spheres, toroids, boxes, maybe more general primitives, all > parametrized, and possibly composites of these, maybe using > Constructive Solid Geometry (CSG) boolean operations. The set of > shapes might come out of a CAD or similar program (directly or > indirectly). > Hello, interesting problem. I am by no means an expert, but I enjoy a math puzzle sometimes. Given what I understand about your problem, I like the idea of using an octree. Here's what I am going on: 1) You want to find the shortest distance from a given point to a set of objects 2) The objects are simple 3d primitives and CSG thereof 3) You will be repeating 1) many times with different reference points but the same objects. > So, part of my question is how are such shapes usually represented? > And secondly, what algorithms exist that are applicable (or even > specific) to those shapes and representations? Generally, I expect to > have to iterate over all the shapes in the model, computing the > distance to each one and picking the smallest. > Using an octree, you only need to compute whether the objects intersect arbitrary axis-aligned cubes. This should be simple and efficient for primitive shapes and CSG thereof. I don't know what representation will be best. You might represent objects by a combination of intrinsic and extrinsic parameters. The intrinsic parameters depend on the primitive, like a cylinder might have a radius and height, a box a length, height, and width, a sphere a radius only. The extrinsic parameters then describe the position and rotation of the object, together a euclidean transformation. The rotation might best described as a 3x3 matrix, the columns of which are the axes of the object. The translation can be a 3 element vector. You could instead use implicit functions, described earlier in the thread. Ok, so basically the algorithm I am thinking of would use the octree to search for the object-point that is closest to the reference point. Octants which could feasibly contain the closest point would be subdivided and labeled with intersecting objects. Octants are feasible iff they intersect at least one object and are not entirely farther than any other feasible octant. Then the process recurses on the child octants until the size of all remaing feasible octants is less than the tolerance. These octants represent the closest object points. When you run the algorithm again with a different reference point, you can re-use the octree that was derived before, because the objects have not moved. You start with the smallest octant containing the reference point, and then search up and down the octree for feasible octants. As before, the octree is refined until the answer is found. Periodic octree pruning may be necessary to limit memory usage. I believe this algorithm might be efficient and easy to implement for the problem you describe. The error should decrease geometrically with each iteration. Iterations involve a limited number of primitive-cube intersection computations. The octree naturally caches the result of previous computation. > My problem seems like something that someone else would have solved > before. I was hoping I could converge on a suitable approach fairly > quickly, but even without that, if someone could just point me at a > resource that surveyed what I needed to get up-to-speed, that would be > great. Yes, I would think this is a well studied problem. I regret I don't know enough to suggest a reference. Octrees are just what I would try because I don't know any better. :) - Aj From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sat Apr 13 14:34:56 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 07:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Sun "stuff" available for sale Message-ID: Now and then messages appear from PLUGgers looking for Sun hardware. There is an ad for several items on the newsgroup "pdx.forsale". I've no idea about age, value or anything else. Rich From brentwashburne at attbi.com Sat Apr 13 16:44:16 2002 From: brentwashburne at attbi.com (Brent Washburne) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:44:16 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Computational Geometry In-Reply-To: <861ydkzds2.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020413094255.0304a560@mail.attbi.com> When you figure out the math, use a Beowulf cluster. (Now we're back on-topic! ;) ~Brent At 04:40 PM 4/12/02 -0700, you wrote: >I am looking for some advice. I am going to be needing to compute >"distance to nearest surface" from random points in a 3D space >containing various geometric shapes. Has anyone done anything like >this before? Are there any good algorithms for "distance to nearest >surface" that you know of? Any suggestions on where to look? >References? Links? From ross at principia.edu Sat Apr 13 22:51:32 2002 From: ross at principia.edu (Ross Brattain) Date: 13 Apr 2002 15:51:32 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Computational Geometry In-Reply-To: <20020413104644.GA18877@zappa> References: <86u1qgz0js.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <20020413104644.GA18877@zappa> Message-ID: <87pu13mcuj.fsf@maas-neotek.attbi.com> Aj Lavin writes: > rotation of the object, together a euclidean transformation. The > rotation might best described as a 3x3 matrix, the columns of which > are the axes of the object. The translation can be a 3 element vector. > If you use a 4x4 matrix you can represent both rotation and translation together. http://www-scf.usc.edu/~akotaobi/gptut13.html -ross From galens at seitzassoc.com Sun Apr 14 00:37:59 2002 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:37:59 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] problem with redhat network updates Message-ID: <200204140038.g3E0bxP32028@tinman.seitzassoc.com> I have one machine set up for the 'Free Basic' redhat network service. I have tried the scheduled update feature several times, and each time it has failed. If I issue an up2date command directly, it works fine. Has anyone else experienced this problem? The up2date log file doesn't indicate any problem that I can see, and, the completed actions page on the web just says that the update failed. thanks, galen From stephas at web.de Sun Apr 14 06:37:27 2002 From: stephas at web.de (stephan) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:37:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] IP Masquerading References: Message-ID: hy i'm a german how moved to west linn 1.5 years ago, we now ordered att cable and i set up this router running a mandrake, lrp mix, it is currently running nicely drop me a mail at stephas at web.de or reply if you want me to send you the image and install instructions (easy!). the kernel should run on many different processors and uses a ne2000 compatible network card connected to the rca modem and a homephoneline network card (10mbit) to connect to the other computers. it has a dhcp client for the att side and a server (just because you can) to assign ip addresses 192.168.x.x internally so let me know if you got questions i am also a little interessted in some wireless stuff in west linn area, but i am busy with school work stephan From linux at maneuveringspeed.com Sun Apr 14 17:45:27 2002 From: linux at maneuveringspeed.com (Greg Long) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:45:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Demise of Kazaa for Linux? In-Reply-To: <87pu13mcuj.fsf@maas-neotek.attbi.com> Message-ID: <000001c1e3dc$2cedb250$6801a8c0@endeavor> Seems they've discontinued their shell version....and word of updates or any compatable (preferably X) clients? I could try it with WINE but it's so chock full of spyware I hesitate to try it. From ejahn at worksystems.org Sun Apr 14 18:22:47 2002 From: ejahn at worksystems.org (Eric Jahn) Date: 14 Apr 2002 11:22:47 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Epson C80: Gimp only prints B&W In-Reply-To: <3CB72EE1.20003@yahoo.com> References: <1018571242.1886.0.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB631F7.D1D0738C@yahoo.com> <1018591084.1886.3.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB6FAC8.DE4AF2ED@yahoo.com> <1018636124.1889.10.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB72B26.40205@yahoo.com> <1018637235.1889.14.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <3CB72EE1.20003@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1018808568.3192.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have an Epson C80 printing great from Mozilla with CUPS 4.2 (color and all). Gimp also had it's gimp-cups plugin correctly installed and used printed well with color about a month ago, with the same unaltered computer system. When I went back in to print an image from Gimp today, it only printed color photographs in B&W. The printer likes to replace my printer driver manually selected in Gimp's "File-Print-Printer Settings" screen with "Postscript Level 1" which just prints out text garbage. If I select any of the other epson printers listed (the C80 is new and isn't there), it prints fine, but only in B&W. Which printer is closest to the Epson C80? My print command in the line below the printer model selection is "lp -s -dEpsonC80 -oraw". Thanks for any help you may be able to give. From due.gatti at gmx.net Sun Apr 14 10:17:17 2002 From: due.gatti at gmx.net (Greg) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:17:17 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Demise of Kazaa for Linux? In-Reply-To: <000001c1e3dc$2cedb250$6801a8c0@endeavor> References: <87pu13mcuj.fsf@maas-neotek.attbi.com> <000001c1e3dc$2cedb250$6801a8c0@endeavor> Message-ID: <20020414031717.4192441b.due.gatti@gmx.net> Not being familiar with Kazaa, I don't know if they were a gnutella network client or not. But as far as file sharing on gnutella goes - http://www.gnutelliums.com/linux_unix/ I use gtk-gnutella, myself. On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:45:27 -0700 "Greg Long" wrote: > Seems they've discontinued their shell version....and word of updates or > any compatable (preferably X) clients? > > I could try it with WINE but it's so chock full of spyware I hesitate to > try it. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From carla at bratgrrl.com Mon Apr 15 00:16:55 2002 From: carla at bratgrrl.com (Carla Schroder) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:16:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] FreeS/WAN questions In-Reply-To: <20020414031717.4192441b.due.gatti@gmx.net> References: <87pu13mcuj.fsf@maas-neotek.attbi.com> <000001c1e3dc$2cedb250$6801a8c0@endeavor> <20020414031717.4192441b.due.gatti@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200204150014.g3F0ESS19909@smtp.easystreet.com> Hi smart persons one and all, I'm digging into VPN tools, right now looking at FreeS/WAN. Questions: 1. With Frees/WAN, once you set up your connection, all network traffic flows over it, so everything moving over your link is protected, correct? 2. How does the user initiate a connection? I've studied the docs until my eyes are crossing, and it's not sinking in. Two common scenarios: -traveller using dialup -telecommuter with DSL or ISDN Is there a step the user needs to take to initiate the secure connection, or can it be set up automatically? thanks much, Carla -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carla Schroder, ace PC goddess Plain English Spoken Here www.bratgrrl.com this message brought to you by Kmail, on Red Hat Linux 7.2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From kens at cad2cam.com Mon Apr 15 02:16:33 2002 From: kens at cad2cam.com (Kenneth G. Stephens) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:16:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] FreeS/WAN questions In-Reply-To: <200204150014.g3F0ESS19909@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: Carla, The procedure is to setup a token and key with the other system before hand. Then with DSL point your VPN to the IP of the server. Depending on the client, you put in your token/PIN/password and that is sent with your key to the server. The negotiation happens which included modifying your route tables so that your network traffic uses the VPN. The tables are modified so that inbound traffic is not received directly through your NIC, but travels to you through the VPN. Not familiar with dialup, because I dial directly to the net I need. If you can't or use a local dialup that then uses the VPN, the connection is made in the same way as the DSL. Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Carla Schroder > Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 5:17 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: [PLUG] FreeS/WAN questions > > > Hi smart persons one and all, > > I'm digging into VPN tools, right now looking at FreeS/WAN. Questions: > > 1. With Frees/WAN, once you set up your connection, all network > traffic flows > over it, so everything moving over your link is protected, correct? > > 2. How does the user initiate a connection? I've studied the docs > until my > eyes are crossing, and it's not sinking in. Two common scenarios: > > -traveller using dialup > -telecommuter with DSL or ISDN > > Is there a step the user needs to take to initiate the secure > connection, or > can it be set up automatically? > > thanks much, > Carla > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Carla Schroder, ace PC goddess > Plain English Spoken Here > www.bratgrrl.com > this message brought to you by Kmail, > on Red Hat Linux 7.2 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From revans at e-z.net Mon Apr 15 14:39:13 2002 From: revans at e-z.net (Russell Evans) Date: 15 Apr 2002 07:39:13 PDT Subject: [PLUG] Demise of Kazaa for Linux? In-Reply-To: <000001c1e3dc$2cedb250$6801a8c0@endeavor> References: <000001c1e3dc$2cedb250$6801a8c0@endeavor> Message-ID: Why would you put anything on your box that would let someone else use it for their on proposes? http://www.techtv.com/news/internet/story/0,24195,3380237,00.html Thank you Russell On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:45:27 -0700, Greg Long said: > Seems they've discontinued their shell version....and word of updates or > any compatable (preferably X) clients? > > I could try it with WINE but it's so chock full of spyware I hesitate to > try it. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > From Ben.Mazhary-Clark at nike.com Mon Apr 15 15:13:35 2002 From: Ben.Mazhary-Clark at nike.com (Mazhary-Clark, Ben) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 08:13:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Sun "stuff" available for sale Message-ID: Hehe, yes, some of that is mine. However the last requester was looking for something that would run Solaris 8 and these old boxes fall short of that. If anyone is interested in an old SPARCstation 2 and a Sparc IPX let me know. --ben (hardware hoarder extraordinaire) -----Original Message----- From: Rich Shepard [mailto:rshepard at appl-ecosys.com] Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 7:35 AM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] Sun "stuff" available for sale Now and then messages appear from PLUGgers looking for Sun hardware. There is an ad for several items on the newsgroup "pdx.forsale". I've no idea about age, value or anything else. Rich _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From richard.langis at sun.com Mon Apr 15 15:30:52 2002 From: richard.langis at sun.com (Richard Langis) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 08:30:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Demise of Kazaa for Linux? References: <000001c1e3dc$2cedb250$6801a8c0@endeavor> Message-ID: <3CBAF22C.5020707@sun.com> I might have the older linux console client kicking around somewhere, I was poking around some archive directories this weekend and found the old AudioGalaxy one. ;) If you need it, let me know and I'll see if I can dig 'er up. Provided, of course, that 'discontinued' only means they've stopped developing it and not disallowing it to connect to the network. :\ -R Greg Long wrote: > Seems they've discontinued their shell version....and word of updates or > any compatable (preferably X) clients? > > I could try it with WINE but it's so chock full of spyware I hesitate to > try it. From linux at maneuveringspeed.com Mon Apr 15 16:10:43 2002 From: linux at maneuveringspeed.com (Greg Long) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:10:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Demise of Kazaa for Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c1e498$1c0bc5a0$5484d38c@endeavor> Yeah, I'm familiar with that issue, and been keeping an eye on it for Win :) -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Russell Evans Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 7:39 AM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Demise of Kazaa for Linux? Why would you put anything on your box that would let someone else use it for their on proposes? http://www.techtv.com/news/internet/story/0,24195,3380237,00.html Thank you Russell On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:45:27 -0700, Greg Long said: > Seems they've discontinued their shell version....and word of updates > or any compatable (preferably X) clients? > > I could try it with WINE but it's so chock full of spyware I hesitate > to try it. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From srau at rauhaus.org Mon Apr 15 16:01:53 2002 From: srau at rauhaus.org (Stafford A. Rau) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:01:53 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] IP Masquerading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020415160153.GB27793@rauhaus.org> * stephan [020413 23:11]: > hy i'm a german how moved to west linn 1.5 years ago, we now ordered att > cable and i set up this router running a mandrake, lrp mix, it is currently > running nicely drop me a mail at stephas at web.de or reply if you want me to > send you the image and install instructions (easy!). Just in case no one else from the list beats me to it, willkommen! Ok, that's about the extent of my German language skills. My Russian is a lot better though. --Stafford From fedorp at wv.mentorg.com Sat Apr 13 07:19:37 2002 From: fedorp at wv.mentorg.com (Fedor G. Pikus) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Computational Geometry In-Reply-To: <86u1qgz0js.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: If your shapes are very simple, i.e. they are known "named" shapes (spheres, prisms, etc) which can be described by few parameters each, then your problem is very easy. For such shapes, you can find the minimal distance from a given point to the shape analytically, as an function of the same parameters. Some of these expressions may be "conditional" (i.e. you may have to check which region you're in and then use the right formula). If your shapes are parts of cilinders, spheres, etc, there will be more conditions (is the shortest distance to the real part of the shape or to the cut-off part). Now, since computing all these distances is very fast, because they are all rather simple formulas, you can iterate over pretty large number of shapes before you need to worry about performance. A trivial optimization with bounding box (or bounding sphere) will quickly take care of all the distant shapes. This approach is limited to "known" shapes, i.e. there is a hardcoded set of shapes you can handle, say, spheres, cylinders, prisms, and piramids. But as long as that covers your shapes, nothing can beat analytical formulas. On 12 Apr 2002, Russell Senior wrote: > > >>>>> "Fedor" == Fedor G Pikus writes: > > Fedor> The solution to your problem depends greatly on how the > Fedor> geometries are specified. If you have formulaes, i.e. f1(x, y, > Fedor> z) = 0, f2(x, y, z ) = 0, etc, then what you have is a > Fedor> non-linear optimization problem: find minimum of a certain > Fedor> function or the smallest of minimums of several functions. > > The objects will all be in the form of 3D primitive shapes: cylinders, > spheres, toroids, boxes, maybe more general primitives, all > parametrized, and possibly composites of these, maybe using > Constructive Solid Geometry (CSG) boolean operations. The set of > shapes might come out of a CAD or similar program (directly or > indirectly). > > So, part of my question is how are such shapes usually represented? > And secondly, what algorithms exist that are applicable (or even > specific) to those shapes and representations? Generally, I expect to > have to iterate over all the shapes in the model, computing the > distance to each one and picking the smallest. > > Fedor> There are, of course, various optimization techniques, for > Fedor> example using bounding boxes on the shapes to quickly determine > Fedor> which ones are definitely not the closest one. > > Yeah, I had thought of that possibility. > > Fedor> Mathematically, your problem is not specific to geometry, but > Fedor> is an optimization problem, of one of several kinds. After you > Fedor> determine what type of optimization problem you are dealing > Fedor> with, look for books on optimization. > > My problem seems like something that someone else would have solved > before. I was hoping I could converge on a suitable approach fairly > quickly, but even without that, if someone could just point me at a > resource that surveyed what I needed to get up-to-speed, that would be > great. > > For those interested, I am preparing to rewrite a program that > computes space potential and electric field using a monte-carlo > random-walk procedure. From each point of interest, a large number of > random walks are launched which ultimately terminate on a conductor in > the model, which has a specified potential (i.e. voltage). > Statistically, the space potential of the point of interest is equal > to the product of the probability of landing on the conductor and its > voltage. I am not an EE so I don't quite understand why that works, > just that, as revealed wisdom, it apparently does. Each step of the > random walk has a length equal to the distance of the nearest surface, > which means that computing the distance is in the inner-most loop of > the algorithm and so doing it as efficiently as possible is a Good > Thing. > > The version I am working from was written by an EE in Fortran "some > time ago", originally to run on big iron and later minimally ported to > MS Fortran on NT. I am rewriting it to try to take advantage of > "advances" made in the interim, tighten up a few algorithmic things, > and also to give us more operational flexibility (better control over > input and output, etc). Also probably design in some distributed > computation (since the random walks are pretty much independent > operations and there are lots of them). > > Thanks! > > -- Fedor G. Pikus Mentor Graphics Corporation | Phone: (503) 685-4857 8405 SW Boeckman Road | FAX: (503) 685-1239 Wilsonville, Oregon 97070 | http://www.pikus.net/~pikus/ From zot at whiteknighthackers.com Mon Apr 15 17:53:11 2002 From: zot at whiteknighthackers.com (Zot O'Connor) Date: 15 Apr 2002 10:53:11 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Odd dns behavior under redhat 7.2 and ncftp Message-ID: <1018893191.2275.770.camel@kat.zotnet.com> I have seen this on a few system of late: [clear the firewall] ipchains -F ncftp -V NcFTP 3.0.3 (April 15, 2001) by Mike Gleason (ncftp at ncftp.com). ncftp> o ncftp> o updates.redhat.com Resolving updates.redhat.com... Unknown host "updates.redhat.com". ncftp> lookup updates.redhat.com updates.redhat.com 63.240.14.70 ncftp> o 63.240.14.70 Connecting to 63.240.14.70... Red Hat FTP server ready. All transfers are logged. Logging in... .... ftp updates.redhat.com [There is a really long pause here] Trying 63.240.14.70... Connected to updates.redhat.com (63.240.14.70). 220 Red Hat FTP server ready. All transfers are logged. Name (updates.redhat.com:root): It is like ncftp when connecting is using a different port pair, that might be blocked or something...... Maybe a different timeout setting? -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com From heinlein at attbi.com Mon Apr 15 18:02:44 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Odd dns behavior under redhat 7.2 and ncftp In-Reply-To: <1018893191.2275.770.camel@kat.zotnet.com> Message-ID: On 15 Apr 2002, Zot O'Connor wrote: > ncftp -V > NcFTP 3.0.3 (April 15, 2001) by Mike Gleason (ncftp at ncftp.com). > ncftp> o > ncftp> o updates.redhat.com > Resolving > updates.redhat.com... > Unknown host "updates.redhat.com". I just now tested it, but had no problems (running behind an iptables-based firewall) [heinlein at billings heinlein]$ cat /etc/redhat-release Red Hat Linux release 7.1 (Seawolf) [heinlein at billings heinlein]$ ncftp -V NcFTP 3.0.2 (October 19, 2000) by Mike Gleason (ncftp at ncftp.com). ncftp> o updates.redhat.com Connecting to 63.240.14.70... Red Hat FTP server ready. All transfers are logged. I know that Red Hat round-robins its public ftp and rsync servers; I wonder if that's the issue. If you're using a local cacheing nameserver, have you tried restarting it? --Paul Heinlein From stephas at web.de Mon Apr 15 18:43:53 2002 From: stephas at web.de (stephan) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:43:53 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] IP Masquerading References: Message-ID: > Ok, that's about the extent of my German language skills. thx for the welcome, how do you know? > My Russian is a lot better though. i know only sth like bistra with a sharp r, seems to be something like fast :) (kinda random) however, i should show up to one of the plug meetings, do you have any details? i know this is way of the topic, but... okay greetings stephan From brucek at kingkon.com Mon Apr 15 07:57:17 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:57:17 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ssh woes Message-ID: <20020415005717.A1550@defiant.pacifier.com> OK, I'm further confused! I installed ssh on my rh52 installation, and was able to ssh into my other systems on my home net, and into my ISP shell account. Now that I've got my rh72 install working, which has ssh as part of it's install package, I can't seem to ssh into anywhere. What is different in this version? The systems on my home net have always been rh72. -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd like another opinion! :) > > If it can, gnupg will try to "pin" memory so that it is prevented from > being swapped out (via the mlock(2) syscall). It then uses this memory > for the crucial bits of the encrypt/decrypt/sign/verify algorithms, so > that if somebody then rips the hard drive out of your machine, your gpg > passphrase or private key (for example) won't show up in the swapped out > pages. When memory is paged back in, the disk location is not scrubbed > clean of the data residing on it [1]. > > The mlock(2) syscall requires root privileges however, otherwise > any user could perform an easy denial of service attack by creating a > process that uses a large amount of memory and then pinning those pages > in, preventing them from being swapped out. What's changed is that your > gnupg binary is no longer setuid root (and you're wisely not reading > email as root), thus it gives you this message (because it's no longer > running with root privileges). > > So you have a security trade-off to make. If you're worried about the > physical security of your machine, then setting gnupg setuid root may > be appropriate. However, adding yet another setuid root program means > that you may potentially be opening up another avenue of attack for > someone with a non-privileged shell on your machine to get root privs > (attackers will often attack a vulnerable non-root network daemon, > using it to give themselves a shell that lets them then start attacking > local setuid programs). If there is, for example, an exploitable buffer > overflow in gnupg, then by making gnupg setuid you've essentially given > anyone who has the ability to run gnupg root access to your machine. The physical security is less of a problem, I think. I generally know where it is, and I pay close attention to it. The network security is something else, as it often sets online thru a network somewhere for extended periods. Sometimes I can trust the firewall it sits behind. Most times I'm not sure. So, attacks from outside during these periods, that would grant root access via setuid bits, are something I'd just as soon avoid. What would be nice, however, is to not have to tap a key after every email sent. This is not a fast machine, and sometimes I discover that an email I thot I sent 10 minutes ago is still waiting on me to acknowledge the warning. I don't mind the warning being displayed, I mind having to tap a key every time it appears. Is there some setting I can make in an options file that will accomplish this? > Alas, I've had to look at the gnupg source code, and frankly, I don't > trust it very much. Therefore, I choose to not make it setuid root, put up > with the annoying warning message, and risk the compromise of my private > key information by someone who has physical access to my hard drive. But > that was an explicit choice I made based on what I see as potential > threats and risks, and may not be the appropriate choice for you. > > [1] Even if the kernel did this, simple scrubbing techniques (e.g. setting to > all zeros) aren't effective due to electromagnetic residues. 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What were the keys, if any, you used with rh52? Were you just using password authentication or did you copy the keys? -- WEL From brucek at kingkon.com Mon Apr 15 22:49:39 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:49:39 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need IBM PC line draw chars .... In-Reply-To: <200204121530.g3CFUvP20883@tinman.seitzassoc.com>; from galens@seitzassoc.com on Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 08:30:57AM -0700 References: <20020411235158.H14757@defiant.pacifier.com> <200204121530.g3CFUvP20883@tinman.seitzassoc.com> Message-ID: <20020415154939.N1598@defiant> Galen Seitz's Log: StarDate 0412.0830: > > > > Under rh52, when I brought up certain files that contained line draw > > chars from the old IBM PC char set (ascii values above 127) I could > > see them as expected. Under rh72, these same files produce foreign > > symbols rather than line draw chars. Any ideas what changed where, so > > that I can continue sane modifications of these files? > > > > Brought up how/where? Console or X? Less in an xterm/rxvt? Emacs? Dosemu? > You will need to configure the appropriate font wherever you are looking > at the files. Specifically, console, for the rh52 condition. More explicitly, in telnet. For the rh72 condition, all of the above causes grief. You suggest the correct font - but I DUNNO what the correct font is. I dunno what fonts changed between those two distro's. -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is NOT an X question. > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:51:58PM -0700, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > Under rh52, when I brought up certain files that contained line draw > > chars from the old IBM PC char set (ascii values above 127) I could > > see them as expected. Under rh72, these same files produce foreign > > symbols rather than line draw chars. Any ideas what changed where, so > > that I can continue sane modifications of these files? > > > > Thanx, > > -bk > > -- -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But > > it wouldn't let me ssh in (which I later found it is *normal?*), or > > bring up the video. > > I had a workstation that would die overnight, just lock up tight as a > drum. For a while it happened every 2-3 nights, then every week or three. I > finally replaced the machine and the problem went away. Paul Nelson at > Riverdale School had the same problem with a machine. He, too, "fixed" the > problem by replacing the machine. > > It is just a "computer moment" that no one seems to be able to solve. Well, this "moment" is on a Dual P200, and I'm not ready to replace it just yet. -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brucek at kingkon.com Mon Apr 15 23:19:23 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:19:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ssh woes In-Reply-To: ; from longman@sharplabs.com on Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 03:45:00PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020415161923.Q1598@defiant> Longman, Bill's Log: StarDate 0415.1545: > > OK, I'm further confused! > > > > I installed ssh on my rh52 installation, and was able to ssh into my > > other systems on my home net, and into my ISP shell account. Now that > > I've got my rh72 install working, which has ssh as part of it's > > install package, I can't seem to ssh into anywhere. What is different > > in this version? The systems on my home net have always been rh72. > > Are you sure it's not a protocol problem? It's not clear to me exactly what > has transpired, but my hunch is that your install now uses protocol 2 > instead of protocol 1. You may have to generate RSA keys. Again, I'm not > clear on what happened with your rh52 > rh72 migration, so I'm just trying > to suggest some things. > > What were the keys, if any, you used with rh52? Were you just using password > authentication or did you copy the keys? No, I'm not sure about anything. The rh72 install is on a separate disk, not an upgrade of the existing install. I can switch back to the rh52 anytime (at least for the near future; I plan to overwrite it soon with an LFS experiment). The ssh keys were regenerated on the rh72 disk, and this morning when I was shutting it down to take it to where I get my DSL 'fix', I noticed that scp had worked for awhile, and then stopped. Further thot is this: Last month I had wanted to contact drizzle.pdxlinux.org without typing all that in every time, so I got the IP address, and put drizzle into my /etc/hosts file; so that I could type 'ssh drizzle'. There was some sort of problem with that, and I was advised to put the definition of drizzle into my .ssh/options file. So, I looked up the man page on that, and tried to configure such a file. I could find lots of things I could do with that options file, but nothing that would allow me to alias drizzle to the full domain name. So, I abandoned that project, but since then, have not been able to get ssh to work. As to the keys, I created and used all the keys available: rsa dsa and plain. I have the identity.pub and id_rsa.pub and id_dsa.pub files, and the correct version exist on the target machines, but I keep getting 'connection refused' messages. The last time that the scp command worked, it asked me for my rsa key, then it asked for my dsa key, and then it asked for my standard login, and then it copied the files. I think it shouldn't be asking for all the keys every time, (only one?), but at least it allowed file transfers. -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ali at axian.com Mon Apr 15 23:27:17 2002 From: ali at axian.com (Alice Corbin) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:27:17 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need IBM PC line draw chars .... In-Reply-To: <20020415155729.O1598@defiant>; from brucek@kingkon.com on Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 03:57:30PM -0700 References: <20020411235158.H14757@defiant.pacifier.com> <20020412083604.A4381@zaphod.axian.com> <20020415155729.O1598@defiant> Message-ID: <20020415162717.A19884@zaphod.axian.com> Hmmm, I've never twiddled with the fonts in console mode myself, but doing a man -k on console comes up with: consolechars (8) - load EGA/VGA console screen font, screen-font map, and/or application-charset map which looks like it might be what you want. And forget what I said earlier about xlsfonts and xfd - the X fonts are in a different bucket entirely, and xfd, well it won't run under not-X. (Which means that I have no idea how you might preview the fonts.) Ali On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 03:57:30PM -0700, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Alice Corbin's Log: StarDate 0412.0836: > > You're not using the same font that you were before. You either have > > a different one selected, or the new software loaded a new font with > > the same name but different characteristics. > > This is probably the case. > > The question is: which font is TELNET using. Where do I look to find > out? How do I select a different font. How do I select a different > font for standard console use? > > This is NOT an X question. > > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:51:58PM -0700, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > > Under rh52, when I brought up certain files that contained line draw > > > chars from the old IBM PC char set (ascii values above 127) I could > > > see them as expected. Under rh72, these same files produce foreign > > > symbols rather than line draw chars. Any ideas what changed where, so > > > that I can continue sane modifications of these files? > > > > > > Thanx, > > > -bk > > > -- > -- > Bruce Kingsland > Kingsland Konsulting > brucek at kingkon.com > 503-936-1655 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ---- _____ _ Ali Corbin /, |_ __(_) ___ _ __ Axian, Inc. //| |\\/ /| |/ _ \| '_ \ Phone: (503)644-6106 #205 _____//_| | / / | | |_| | | | | e-mail: ali at axian.com (( // |_|/_/\\|_|\_/|_|_| |_| http://www.axian.com/ ``-'' ``-'' From richard.langis at sun.com Mon Apr 15 23:27:39 2002 From: richard.langis at sun.com (Richard Langis) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:27:39 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] lockup logs References: <20020415014139.B1550@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <3CBB61EB.7020403@sun.com> At the risk of being redundant, I'd check your memory with memtest86. If memtest doesn't find anything wrong, start taking out addin cards and leaving the system running until it locks up. If it's not the cards, your proc may be bad. If swapping/replacing the proc doesn't fix it, it might be the motherboard. Or a flaky power supply. My rule of thumb is to start with the easiest debug first, then go to the progressively harder/expensive methods to determine the problem. Since memory is cheap and easy to diagnose, start there. The only addin card you *need* is video, so anything extra might be causing a problem. Since it's a dual P200, are both the processors of the same stepping? I've heard mismatched steppings can cause problems. Try taking one out, then swapping them. I'm a debug tech in my current (and past two) job, so most of these things are no-brainers for me. Give the above a shot and see what you come up with. Sometimes it's just a dirty component or a simple intermittant short that causes a panic. If all else fails, tear it all apart (make sure you're properly grounded), air-blast off the dust-bunnies, spray some degreaser/cleaner on a rag, wipe down the connectors, make sure everything is nice and clean and reassemble. :) -Richard Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Is there a way to discover what leads up to a lockup? > > One of my home systems hangs every couple weeks. I dunno why. I thot > it was the xlock, but yesterday it hung anyway. It was in 'video idle' > mode, and I couldn't wake it up. This is the usual failure mode. > However, this time I ping'd the sleeping system, and it answered. But > it wouldn't let me ssh in (which I later found it is *normal?*), or > bring up the video. > > I thot of disabling the apm, in hopes of keeping the video active > indefinitely, as perhaps a way to at least see the last state prior to > lockup. But apm isn't running on that system. So, I dunno what causes > the video to blank out after a few minutes. > > TIA! > -bk > -- s u n m i c r o s y s t e m s ~ Richard Langis Jr. ~ richard.langis at sun.com From longman at sharplabs.com Mon Apr 15 23:44:20 2002 From: longman at sharplabs.com (Longman, Bill) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:44:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ssh woes Message-ID: > No, I'm not sure about anything. The rh72 install is on a separate > disk, not an upgrade of the existing install. I can switch back to the > rh52 anytime (at least for the near future; I plan to overwrite it > soon with an LFS experiment). The ssh keys were regenerated on the > rh72 disk, and this morning when I was shutting it down to take it to > where I get my DSL 'fix', I noticed that scp had worked for awhile, > and then stopped. > > Further thot is this: > > Last month I had wanted to contact drizzle.pdxlinux.org without typing > all that in every time, so I got the IP address, and put drizzle into > my /etc/hosts file; so that I could type 'ssh drizzle'. There was some > sort of problem with that, and I was advised to put the definition of > drizzle into my .ssh/options file. So, I looked up the man page on > that, and tried to configure such a file. I could find lots of things > I could do with that options file, but nothing that would allow me to > alias drizzle to the full domain name. So, I abandoned that project, > but since then, have not been able to get ssh to work. > > As to the keys, I created and used all the keys available: rsa dsa and > plain. I have the identity.pub and id_rsa.pub and id_dsa.pub files, > and the correct version exist on the target machines, but I keep > getting 'connection refused' messages. The last time that the scp > command worked, it asked me for my rsa key, then it asked for my dsa > key, and then it asked for my standard login, and then it copied the > files. I think it shouldn't be asking for all the keys every time, > (only one?), but at least it allowed file transfers. My next question is: Is the sshd running on the target? That sure is what it sounds like, now. Especially if the other services have died, too. If so, you might wanna zap your .ssh/options file and start again in vanilla mode. Or you can just remove the drizzle section if you have anything else you really really need in there. The options file is pretty handy when you have one machine (like I do) that is very particular (only accepts protocol 1) compared to your defaults. And when all else fails, you can try the debug options on ssh. They work fairly well to see where it's dying. -- WEL From galens at seitzassoc.com Mon Apr 15 23:52:34 2002 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:52:34 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need IBM PC line draw chars .... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:27:17 PDT." <20020415162717.A19884@zaphod.axian.com> Message-ID: <200204152352.g3FNqYP13385@tinman.seitzassoc.com> ali at axian.com said: > Hmmm, I've never twiddled with the fonts in console mode myself, but > doing a man -k on console comes up with: > consolechars (8) - load EGA/VGA console screen font, > screen-font map, and/or application-charset map > which looks like it might be what you want. And I think the font that you want may be called default8x16. I suspect your current font is some form of Latin1. Sorry, I can't easily check this with my current setup. It might be worthwhile to review http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.html galen From sandbox at pacifier.com Tue Apr 16 01:23:35 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:23:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] lockup logs References: <20020415014139.B1550@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <3CBB7D17.7020204@pacifier.com> Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Is there a way to discover what leads up to a lockup? Are you using a KVM switch? I've had this happen to me using a Cybex SwitchView 4-port switch. Don't know if it's the the switch's fault, but I have my suspicions. I would switch to the machine and see only video black. Happened to two machines. Lately, it seems to have fortoggen its hot-key sequence too, but that's another story. -- Kyle Accardi From revans at e-z.net Tue Apr 16 03:47:01 2002 From: revans at e-z.net (Russell Evans) Date: 15 Apr 2002 20:47:01 PDT Subject: [PLUG] lockup logs In-Reply-To: <20020415160701.P1598@defiant> References: <20020415014139.B1550@defiant.pacifier.com> <20020415160701.P1598@defiant> Message-ID: http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/smp-howto-3.html =================================================== Debugging lockups (item by Wade Hampton) A good means of debugging lockups is to get the ikd patch from Andrea Arcangeli: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/andrea/kernel-patches There are several of debug options, but do NOT use the soft lockup option! For newer SMP boxes, turn kernel debugging then turn on the NMI oopser. To verify that the NMI oopser is working, after booting the new kernel, /cat /proc/interrupts and verify that you are getting NMIs. When the box locks up, you should get an OOPS. You may also try the %eip option. This allows the kernel to print on the console the %eip address every time a kernel function is called. When the box locks up, write down the first column ordered by the second column then lookup the addresses in the System.map file. This works only in console mode. Also note that the use of a serial console can greatly facilitate debugging kernel lockups, not just SMP kernel lockups! snip snip A bug in the 440FX chipset (from Emil Briggs) If you had a system using the 440FX chipset then your problem with the lockups was possibly due to a documented errata in the chipset. Here is a reference References: Intel 440FX PCIset 82441FX (PMC) and 82442FX (DBX) Specification Update. pg. 13 http://www.intel.com/design/pcisets/specupdt/297654.htm The problem can be fixed with a BIOS workaround (Or a kernel patch) and in fact David Wragg wrote a patch that's included with Richard Gooch's MTTR patch. For more information and a fix look here: http://nemo.physics.ncsu.edu/~briggs/vfix.html ================================================ Thank you Russell On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:07:01 -0700, Bruce Kingsland said: > Rich Shepard's Log: StarDate 0415.1531: > > On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > > > > Is there a way to discover what leads up to a lockup? > > > > Ha! Fat chance! :-) > > > > > One of my home systems hangs every couple weeks. I dunno why. I thot > > > it was the xlock, but yesterday it hung anyway. It was in 'video idle' > > > mode, and I couldn't wake it up. This is the usual failure mode. > > > However, this time I ping'd the sleeping system, and it answered. But > > > it wouldn't let me ssh in (which I later found it is *normal?*), or > > > bring up the video. > > > > I had a workstation that would die overnight, just lock up tight as a > > drum. For a while it happened every 2-3 nights, then every week or three. I > > finally replaced the machine and the problem went away. Paul Nelson at > > Riverdale School had the same problem with a machine. He, too, "fixed" the > > problem by replacing the machine. > > > > It is just a "computer moment" that no one seems to be able to solve. > > Well, this "moment" is on a Dual P200, and I'm not ready to replace it > just yet. From brucek at kingkon.com Tue Apr 16 03:59:29 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:59:29 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] lockup logs In-Reply-To: <3CBB7D17.7020204@pacifier.com>; from sandbox@pacifier.com on Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 06:23:35PM -0700 References: <20020415014139.B1550@defiant.pacifier.com> <3CBB7D17.7020204@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020415205929.U1598@defiant> Kyle Accardi's Log: StarDate 0415.1823: > Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > > Is there a way to discover what leads up to a lockup? > > Are you using a KVM switch? > I've had this happen to me using a Cybex SwitchView 4-port switch. Don't > know if it's the the switch's fault, but I have my suspicions. I would > switch to the machine and see only video black. Happened to two machines. Yes, but in these instances, I haven't been switched away to another system, only let the system idle for several hours (over nite) then tried to 'wake it up' by tapping the shift key. > Lately, it seems to have fortoggen its hot-key sequence too, but that's > another story. But now that you mention it, I'll check to see if I get video direct next time it occurs. > -- > Kyle Accardi > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brucek at kingkon.com Tue Apr 16 04:02:55 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:02:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? In-Reply-To: <3CB6F3ED.2080709@parkrose.k12.or.us>; from dan_young@parkrose.k12.or.us on Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 07:49:17AM -0700 References: <20020411234624.G14757@defiant.pacifier.com> <3CB6835E.9010608@pacifier.com> <3CB6F3ED.2080709@parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20020415210255.V1598@defiant> Dan Young's Log: StarDate 0412.0749: > I've found ftp://limestone.uoregon.edu/redhat/updates/7.2/en/os/ to be > reasonably fast and rarely at their anonymous user cap. Go Ducks! This was great. took about 2-3 hours to collect 488MB. Couldn't use wget tho, had to use "ftp -iv ... mget *". Now, how do I discover collecting 'only new files'. I suppose a script is in order, any body got one handy? -bk > -Dan Young > > Kyle Accardi wrote: > <--snip--> > > Are you seeking to mirror the RH updates ftp site? > > > > Check out ftp://ftp.orst.edu/.1/ftp/redhat.com/linux/updates/7.2/en/os/i386 > > > > When you can get in, they're usually fast. They also mirror older/other > > distros. > > > > Sometimes they lag (by days) the official ftp://updates.redhat.com site, > > but this is much slower. > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From zot at whiteknighthackers.com Tue Apr 16 08:54:34 2002 From: zot at whiteknighthackers.com (Zot O'Connor) Date: 16 Apr 2002 01:54:34 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] NEED ADV TOPIC SPEAKER(S) Message-ID: <1018947274.2254.836.camel@kat.zotnet.com> Currently no one has offered to run Wed's meeting. I will cancel if we cannot get someone to take the lead. We have some offers for the next few months. -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 16 13:16:58 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 06:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Probes from non-existent domains Message-ID: I'm curious whether or not others here have seen ssh attempts from domains that apparently don't exist. In /var/log/messages I find lines where login attempts have been rejected by sshd, but when I use 'nslookup', 'host', or 'dig' the IP addresses are not found. This doesn't worry me, but I'm curious how the IP address is spoofed and whether this might be a fairly common occurrence. TIA, Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 16 13:19:31 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 06:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] gpm misses a beat Message-ID: This is another non-critical message that I find in the log about once each day: Apr 11 21:36:25 salmo gpm[1334]: Skipping a data packet (?) I'm curious why it happens. Does anyone know? Thanks, Rich From heinlein at attbi.com Tue Apr 16 14:13:46 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 07:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Probes from non-existent domains In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > I'm curious whether or not others here have seen ssh attempts from > domains that apparently don't exist. In /var/log/messages I find > lines where login attempts have been rejected by sshd, but when I > use 'nslookup', 'host', or 'dig' the IP addresses are not found. > > This doesn't worry me, but I'm curious how the IP address is spoofed > and whether this might be a fairly common occurrence. IP spoofing is fairly trivial to do with a tool like nmap. The idea is that you send a ton of port pokes off to the target machine, but only a few of the packets actually contain the IP address of the probing machine. That way, it makes it more difficult for the target to ascertain the identity of the prober. It seems to me a lot of this nonsense would go away if ISPs enforced some router discipline for their dial-up and DSL customers. The ISPs could merely refuse to forward packets that don't have a host address matching their dial-up/DSL subnet(s). If that were the default policy (with exceptions made when a customer can convince the ISP that outbound spoofing is legitimate), lots of 'false hosts' would disappear from /var/log/*. Of course, I might not understand all the issues an ISP faces in this regard. I'd be interested to hear from someone who's had to deal with this. --Paul Heinlein From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 16 16:02:06 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Challenging the Man-in-the-Middle (fwd) Message-ID: A very interesting read that may be helpful/useful/informative to those of you who administer large networks. Rich ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Challenging the Man-in-the-Middle By Brian Hatch Recently, a machine on which I have an account had several accounts cracked. I hadn't actually logged into the machine in a few months, but one of the admins sent me an email asking me to help track down the problem. When logging in, several users reported seeing themselves already logged in from strange locations or running funny processes. Most of these folks are generally security-conscious, use strong passwords, and don't fall for the standard social engineering tricks. Because the admin is good and paranoid, the machine is always kept up to date on patches and ssh is the only way to login, meaning the traffic is all encrypted. I suspected some vulnerability that wasn't yet public knowledge on the 'Net. I went to log in and was greeted with this: home$ ssh server @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! It is also possible that the RSA1 host key has just been changed. The fingerprint for the RSA1 key sent by the remote host is 48:45:0b:e7:0b:bb:70:ac:8e:94:93:7f:33:44:10:c6. Please contact your system administrator. Add correct host key in /home/bri/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. Offending key in /home/bri/.ssh/known_hosts:17 RSA1 host key has changed and you have requested strict checking. home$ The ssh host key had changed. Any time you see this, you should suspect the worst. However, since we've had a few ssh vulnerabilities recently, I figured that the admin had accidentally wiped out the original ssh keys in /etc/ssh and needed to make new ones. Heck, I've done it myself. So I commented out the old key (line 17 in my ~/.ssh/known_hosts file) and re-ssh'd in, accepting the new key. Before I tracked down the intrusion, I figured that I'd see if I could get the original ssh host key from backups so I (and others) wouldn't get that annoying message each time we login. I went into /etc/ssh, where the keys are kept, and saw the following: server$ ls -l /etc/ssh* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1412 Jun 12 12:10 ssh_config -rw------- 1 root root 526 Jun 10 09:44 ssh_host_key -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 330 Jun 10 09:44 ssh_host_key.pub -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1216 Jun 12 12:13 sshd_config I was trying to see if I'd made a directory named /etc/ssh.bak or similar. (I tend to leave backups of /etc/ssh around out of laziness). I was not surprised to see no backup ssh directory, but I was surprised to see that the host key had not been changed recently -- Jun 10th was when the machine was installed in the first place. Checking 'ls -c' output (to see the inode change time) also showed the Jun 10th date. I compared (visually) the public host key file on the server with line 17 of my ~/.ssh/known_hosts on my home machine; they were the same, but if they really were the same, I shouldn't have gotten that warning. I tried ssh'ing in again to see if I was going crazy, but no; in fact, the key being presented was different from server:/etc/ssh/ssh_host_key. I stopped and restarted the sshd daemon in debug mode under ptrace and verified that it was reading the correct key files in /etc/ssh. Still the wrong key was being presented. At this point, I was pretty convinced I'd solved both the ssh problem and the cause of the cracked accounts. To test my theory, I ran a copy of sshd as follows: server$ sudo /usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 4321 This started an ssh server on port 4321. I uncommented line 17 of my ~/.ssh/known_hosts, putting the file back the way it had been for the last nine months. I then connected to the server from home as follows: home$ ssh -p4321 server 'echo connected to `hostname`' connected to server home$ As you see, my ssh connection to port 4321 was established successfully and the lame 'echo' command ran. But there was no complaint about the host key being different. The key on line 17 of my ~/.ssh/known_hosts matched the key presented by the ssh server on port 4321. /usr/sbin/sshd was using the key from /etc/ssh as it should. So, what was wrong? I'll give you the answer in two weeks. If you think you have it figured out, drop me a line. I'll send the first person who gets it right a postcard and immortalize them in the follow- up article. Extra points if you can describe how to trace down the culprit. About the author(s) ------------------- Brian Hatch is Chief Hacker at Onsight, Inc, and author of Hacking Linux Exposed and Building Linux VPNs. He's very sad that he's been taken off the Microsoft recruiting 'do not call' list, and wonders what he needs to do to get blacklisted again. Brian can be reached at brian at hackinglinuxexposed.com. ________________________________________________________________________________ ADDITIONAL RESOURCES Man-In-the-Middle Attack - A Brief http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a56358a76073993a6 Researchers crack new wireless security spec http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a56358a76073993a1 Threats Addressed by Secure Shell http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a56358a76073993a0 Man in the middle http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a56358a76073993a2 From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Tue Apr 16 16:22:56 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:22:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? In-Reply-To: <20020415210255.V1598@defiant>; from brucek@kingkon.com on Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 09:02:55PM -0700 References: <20020411234624.G14757@defiant.pacifier.com> <3CB6835E.9010608@pacifier.com> <3CB6F3ED.2080709@parkrose.k12.or.us> <20020415210255.V1598@defiant> Message-ID: <20020416092256.A9449@dalsemi.com> On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 09:02:55PM -0700, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Dan Young's Log: StarDate 0412.0749: > > I've found ftp://limestone.uoregon.edu/redhat/updates/7.2/en/os/ to be > > reasonably fast and rarely at their anonymous user cap. Go Ducks! > > This was great. took about 2-3 hours to collect 488MB. Couldn't use > wget tho, had to use "ftp -iv ... mget *". Now, how do I discover > collecting 'only new files'. I suppose a script is in order, any body > got one handy? This is my script for calling wget. You need to modify it because different hosts have different paths, but I've used it on U of O's ftp site before. Also, a while ago Paul Heinlein shared his script that does the same thing using rsync. You should be able to find it in the archives. #!/usr/local/bin/tcsh wget --mirror -np \ --no-host-directories \ --cut-dirs=5 \ --directory-prefix='/tmp/redhat_updates/7.2/en' \ -I/pub/linux/redhat/updates/7.2/os/ \ -X/pub/linux/redhat/updates/7.2/os/SRPMS \ -X/pub/linux/redhat/updates/7.2/os/ia64 \ -A'kde-i18n*,ttfonts-ja*,ttfonts-ko*' \ ftp://zeus.nmt.edu/pub/linux/redhat/updates/7.2/os Colin From danh at fork.com Tue Apr 16 16:54:45 2002 From: danh at fork.com (Dan Haskell) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] What does this mean? In-Reply-To: <20020412194950.GB833@rauhaus.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Stafford A. Rau wrote: > You might want to take a look at the Shoreline Firewall > (http://www.shorewall.net). Another one you could look at is Bastille - http://www.bastille-linux.org/ It's a "hardening script" that is useful for tuning RedHat and Mandrake systems into firewalls (the Debian port is still in process). It asks a whole bunch of questions and then configures your system based on the answers. Dan From deanm at sharplabs.com Tue Apr 16 17:37:19 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Challenging the Man-in-the-Middle (fwd) In-Reply-To: (message from Rich Shepard on Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:02:06 -0700 (PDT)) References: Message-ID: <20020416173719.3C5C010E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Nice article Rich. I'm guess I'm na?f; could someone please elaborate "and don't fall for the standard social engineering tricks" in this context for me? :: When logging in, several users reported seeing themselves already :: logged in from strange locations or running funny processes. Most of :: these folks are generally security-conscious, use strong passwords, and :: don't fall for the standard social engineering tricks. Because the :: admin is good and paranoid, the machine is always kept up to date on :: patches and ssh is the only way to login, meaning the traffic is all :: encrypted. I suspected some vulnerability that wasn't yet public :: knowledge on the 'Net. Dean From derek at infotects.com Tue Apr 16 17:54:32 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: 16 Apr 2002 10:54:32 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] lockup logs In-Reply-To: <20020415014139.B1550@defiant.pacifier.com> References: <20020415014139.B1550@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1018979673.1591.9.camel@dereklinux> On Mon, 2002-04-15 at 01:41, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Is there a way to discover what leads up to a lockup? > > One of my home systems hangs every couple weeks. I dunno why. I thot > it was the xlock, but yesterday it hung anyway. It was in 'video idle' > mode, and I couldn't wake it up. This is the usual failure mode. > However, this time I ping'd the sleeping system, and it answered. But > it wouldn't let me ssh in (which I later found it is *normal?*), or > bring up the video. > > I thot of disabling the apm, in hopes of keeping the video active > indefinitely, as perhaps a way to at least see the last state prior to > lockup. But apm isn't running on that system. So, I dunno what causes > the video to blank out after a few minutes. Good idea, you should be able to disable it in the BIOS. If that fixes it, there may be some options available during a kernel configuration that will fix it. "Allow interrupts during APM call" or something like that. What kind of chipset does your video card have? Maybe your kernel has ACPI enabled, but your motherboard implementation is buggy. Otherwise, start pulling hardware (or swapping it) until you find the culprit. I would start with a nice fresh kernel, compiled for your specific hardware before looking at the hardware. Good Luck Derek Loree From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 16 18:20:22 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Challenging the Man-in-the-Middle (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20020416173719.3C5C010E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Dean S. Messing wrote: > I'm guess I'm na?f; could someone please elaborate > > "and don't fall for the standard social engineering tricks" > > in this context for me? > > :: When logging in, several users reported seeing themselves already > :: logged in from strange locations or running funny processes. Most of > :: these folks are generally security-conscious, use strong passwords, and > :: don't fall for the standard social engineering tricks. Because the > :: admin is good and paranoid, the machine is always kept up to date on > :: patches and ssh is the only way to login, meaning the traffic is all > :: encrypted. I suspected some vulnerability that wasn't yet public > :: knowledge on the 'Net. I'm no security expert despite having read Cliff Stoll's book a couple of times, but from the whole article this is what I think he meant. Despite being very security conscious and not giving out their passwords to strangers, they were all taken in by the craftily-worded login notice. Because it appeared so legitimate (such as the Microsoft virus that advertised itself as a virus detector), they went ahead and changed their ssh server access key. While we need to wait a couple of weeks for the end of the story, my guess is that the password sent plain text copies of the username and password to the man in the middle. We tend to be trusting animals, no matter how callous and cynical we may be in normal circumstances. If someone calls you on the telephone and tells you that your child has become ill in school and was taken to the hospital, you'd probably dash off to the hospital without calling the school back to verify the report. We all have hot buttons, and there are those who know very well how to identify them and push them. We react just as we're programmed to do. Rich From longman at sharplabs.com Tue Apr 16 20:24:25 2002 From: longman at sharplabs.com (Longman, Bill) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:24:25 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Challenging the Man-in-the-Middle (fwd) Message-ID: > I'm no security expert despite having read Cliff Stoll's > book a couple of > times, but from the whole article this is what I think he meant. > > Despite being very security conscious and not giving out > their passwords > to strangers, they were all taken in by the craftily-worded > login notice. > Because it appeared so legitimate (such as the Microsoft virus that > advertised itself as a virus detector), they went ahead and > changed their > ssh server access key. While we need to wait a couple of > weeks for the end > of the story, my guess is that the password sent plain text > copies of the > username and password to the man in the middle. But that *IS* the message that SSH uses when this happens. It is not a logon message, it is the SSH *client* warning you. The logon happens AFTER this text is displayed. I'm guessing the man in the middle is port forwarding the traffic to a different port on the target machine. You could check with a netstat command or check the sshd logs. -- WEL From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Tue Apr 16 19:47:39 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:47:39 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Challenging the Man-in-the-Middle (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20020416173719.3C5C010E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Message-ID: >>Nice article Rich. >> >>I'm guess I'm na?f; could someone please elaborate >> >> "and don't fall for the standard social engineering tricks" >> >>in this context for me? When he mentions this it is before he has noticed the ssh problem, so he is simply saying that some accounts have been hacked but that he does not believe it was through social engineering(ie: "This is Joe from Sun calling and asked us to look at the system...."). As for the attack itself, man-in-the-middle attacks are primarily used to sniff usernames and passwords or in a more advanced form (which it sounds like we have here) to accept an ssh connection on the middle machine, initiate a new connection to the intended host from the middle machine, and then decrypt both the victims and the intended host's packets on the middle machine while at the same time forwarding packets between the two outside machines. It is similiar to the ATM (as in automated teller machine) hack of the early to mid 90's. --sendai From unixplug at yahoo.com Tue Apr 16 21:28:41 2002 From: unixplug at yahoo.com (Dragos Ciobanu) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Lycoris? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020416212841.69033.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Matt, I downloaded the .iso files from the website at lycoris.com/download and I went to the sweeden ftp server which is the fastest. If you can't download them, I can send you the 3 cds that I already burned. I installed Lycoris on a laptop and it works ok. Dragos Ciobanu dragos at pdhtv.com --- Matt Alexander wrote: > My manager approached me today and said she'd like > me to setup a Linux box > for her to play around with. She's interested in > replacing many of our > employee's workstations with Linux. She's fairly > open-minded about using > Linux, but she wants to make absolutely sure it does > everything our users > expect to be able to do. Anywho, I'm experimenting > with some of the more > "desktop friendly" distros and I'd like to test > Lycoris. I haven't had > any luck getting an ISO yet (particularly since it > was mentioned on > Slashdot today), but if someone has it or gets it > before me and can setup > an ftp site for me to download it from, I'd really > appreciate it. > > Here's the URL: > > http://www.lycoris.com/download/ > > Thanks, > ~M > P.S. Save the "Linux has no place on the desktop" > nonsense for another > day please. ;-) > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 16 22:59:56 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] SpamAssassin confusion Message-ID: Based on all the Good Things written about spamassassin here I grabbed the RH package and tried installing and activating the tool. What I see on my drives and in my logs doesn't match what is written in the README file. So, I hope that someone here has climbed this particular learning curve and can help me off the exercise wheel. I installed the package the usual way: rpm -ivh spamassassin.... Worked just fine. But, when I look at the README file (/usr/doc/spamassassin-2.11/README), I see that I'm supposed to have a subdirectory SpamAssassin/ in my home directory. It ain't there. When I look at /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf I also end up at a dead end: [rshepard at salmo ~]$ less /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf # Add your own customisations to this file. See 'man Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf' # for details of what can be tweaked. # [rshepard at salmo ~]$ man Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf No manual entry for Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf There is no spamassassin process I can see when I grep 'ps ax', yet '~/procmail/log' contains references to spamassassin. So, I suppose that the daemon is running -- some time. Where do I read how to tune and tweak spamassassin, and to control it? Apparently it's a perl script (or set of scripts), but I'm quite confused what I'm supposed to do at this point to add specific domains or otherwise filter out more of the spam I receive. TIA, Rich From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Tue Apr 16 23:36:31 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:36:31 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] SpamAssassin confusion In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 03:59:56PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020416163631.A10536@dalsemi.com> On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 03:59:56PM -0700, Rich Shepard wrote: > Based on all the Good Things written about spamassassin here I grabbed the > RH package and tried installing and activating the tool. What I see on my > drives and in my logs doesn't match what is written in the README file. So, > I hope that someone here has climbed this particular learning curve and can > help me off the exercise wheel. > > I installed the package the usual way: rpm -ivh spamassassin.... Worked > just fine. But, when I look at the README file > (/usr/doc/spamassassin-2.11/README), I see that I'm supposed to have a > subdirectory SpamAssassin/ in my home directory. It ain't there. rpm -ql spamassassin | less will tell you what files it installed and where. > When I look at /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf I also end up at a dead > end: > > [rshepard at salmo ~]$ less /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf > # Add your own customisations to this file. See 'man Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf' > # for details of what can be tweaked. > # > [rshepard at salmo ~]$ man Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf > No manual entry for Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf > > There is no spamassassin process I can see when I grep 'ps ax', yet > '~/procmail/log' contains references to spamassassin. So, I suppose that the > daemon is running -- some time. > > Where do I read how to tune and tweak spamassassin, and to control it? > Apparently it's a perl script (or set of scripts), but I'm quite confused > what I'm supposed to do at this point to add specific domains or otherwise > filter out more of the spam I receive. try this instead: perldoc Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf That's the platform neutral perl documentation tool. If that perl module is installed, perldoc will find it and get you the documentation. There was an article about spamassassin on www.perl.com a while ago that was written by the author. It should be in the archives if you run a search on the site. Colin From montagne at boora.com Tue Apr 16 23:38:41 2002 From: montagne at boora.com (Michael Montagne) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:38:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] SpamAssassin confusion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020416233841.GD12546@boora.com> >On 16/04/02, from the brain of Rich Shepard tumbled: > Based on all the Good Things written about spamassassin here I grabbed the > RH package and tried installing and activating the tool. What I see on my > drives and in my logs doesn't match what is written in the README file. So, > I hope that someone here has climbed this particular learning curve and can > help me off the exercise wheel. > > I installed the package the usual way: rpm -ivh spamassassin.... Worked > just fine. But, when I look at the README file > (/usr/doc/spamassassin-2.11/README), I see that I'm supposed to have a > subdirectory SpamAssassin/ in my home directory. It ain't there. > > When I look at /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf I also end up at a dead > end: > > [rshepard at salmo ~]$ less /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf > # Add your own customisations to this file. See 'man Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf' > # for details of what can be tweaked. > # > [rshepard at salmo ~]$ man Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf > No manual entry for Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf > > There is no spamassassin process I can see when I grep 'ps ax', yet > '~/procmail/log' contains references to spamassassin. So, I suppose that the > daemon is running -- some time. > > Where do I read how to tune and tweak spamassassin, and to control it? > Apparently it's a perl script (or set of scripts), but I'm quite confused > what I'm supposed to do at this point to add specific domains or otherwise > filter out more of the spam I receive. > > TIA, > > Rich > I think it needs to be .spamassassin/user_prefs. This is made automatically, according to the man page. The configuration file is /etc/spamassassin/local.cf. This is it: whitelist_from rwrath75 at worldnet.att.net whitelist_from jimhz at admin.ogi.edu whitelist_from SteveM at AMAA.com blacklist_from *@networkpromotions.com blacklist_from *@naver.com blacklist_from *@lists.em5000.net blacklist_from *@tm01.net blacklist_from *@msnnewsletters.customer-email.com blacklist_from *@tm03.net blacklist_from *@dbldirect.com blacklist_from *@designjet.hp.com You can override other settings here too if you wish. -- Michael Montagne montagne at boora.com http://www.boora.com From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Apr 17 00:08:08 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] SpamAssassin confusion In-Reply-To: <20020416163631.A10536@dalsemi.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Colin Kuskie wrote: > rpm -ql spamassassin | less > will tell you what files it installed and where. Thanks, Colin. "locate" gave me the same results. > try this instead: > > perldoc Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf > > That's the platform neutral perl documentation tool. If that perl module > is installed, perldoc will find it and get you the documentation. Ahh-h-h-h! That works. Never used it before; didn't know it existed. > There was an article about spamassassin on www.perl.com a while ago that > was written by the author. It should be in the archives if you run a > search on the site. Excellent. I'll go find it. Many thanks, Rich From montagne at boora.com Wed Apr 17 00:31:44 2002 From: montagne at boora.com (Michael Montagne) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:31:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] man to text Message-ID: <20020417003144.GG12546@boora.com> How do I take a man manpage and convert it to text? -- Michael Montagne montagne at boora.com http://www.boora.com From deathfox at moochercrew.org Wed Apr 17 00:29:06 2002 From: deathfox at moochercrew.org (Chris Emery) Date: 16 Apr 2002 17:29:06 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] man to text In-Reply-To: <20020417003144.GG12546@boora.com> References: <20020417003144.GG12546@boora.com> Message-ID: <1019003346.18361.26.camel@arisu> man foo > bar.man will do it for you.... Chris On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 17:31, Michael Montagne wrote: > How do I take a man manpage and convert it to text? > > -- > Michael Montagne > montagne at boora.com > http://www.boora.com > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From dh at mda.huntbros.net Wed Apr 17 01:15:43 2002 From: dh at mda.huntbros.net (dh at mda.huntbros.net) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] man to text In-Reply-To: <20020417003144.GG12546@boora.com> Message-ID: This substitutes a sed-command for man's default-pager, which is probably less. It removes the pesky "character-backspace" pairs, and prints to stdout without the equaly pesky page-break formatting. Substitute the name of the manpage you want for "manpage". You'll get extra points for good punctuation. man -P 'sed "s/.`echo -ne ".\010"`//g" ${1}' manpage It's ugly, but it works on my box. -- David Hunt On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Michael Montagne wrote: >Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:31:44 -0700 >From: Michael Montagne >Reply-To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org >To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org >Subject: [PLUG] man to text > >How do I take a man manpage and convert it to text? > From bhoran at hexdev.com Wed Apr 17 02:15:31 2002 From: bhoran at hexdev.com (Brian Horan) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:15:31 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] man to text In-Reply-To: <20020417003144.GG12546@boora.com> References: <20020417003144.GG12546@boora.com> Message-ID: man manpage | col -b > textfile On Tuesday 16 April 2002 08:31 pm, you wrote: > How do I take a man manpage and convert it to text? -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com From dh at mda.huntbros.net Wed Apr 17 02:17:50 2002 From: dh at mda.huntbros.net (dh at mda.huntbros.net) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 19:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] man to text In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ... or perhaps man -P 'col -b' -- David Hunt On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Brian Horan wrote: >Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:15:31 -0400 >From: Brian Horan >Reply-To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org >To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org >Subject: Re: [PLUG] man to text > >man manpage | col -b > textfile > >On Tuesday 16 April 2002 08:31 pm, you wrote: >> How do I take a man manpage and convert it to text? > From heinlein at attbi.com Wed Apr 17 12:21:18 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 05:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] man to text In-Reply-To: <20020417003144.GG12546@boora.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Michael Montagne wrote: > How do I take a man manpage and convert it to text? If you're interested in printing man pages, man(1) does PostScript nicely: man -t manpage | lpr --Paul Heinlein From montagne at boora.com Wed Apr 17 15:25:08 2002 From: montagne at boora.com (Michael Montagne) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:25:08 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] man to text In-Reply-To: References: <20020417003144.GG12546@boora.com> Message-ID: <20020417152508.GA16151@boora.com> That's beautiful. Simple elegant. Nice use of classic unix methodology. Thank you. Now I can use vim to view and select pieces of man pages for reference. >On 16/04/02, from the brain of Brian Horan tumbled: > man manpage | col -b > textfile > > On Tuesday 16 April 2002 08:31 pm, you wrote: > > How do I take a man manpage and convert it to text? > > -- > Brian Horan > bhoran at hexdev.com > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Michael Montagne montagne at boora.com http://www.boora.com From hapibeli at save-net.com Wed Apr 17 03:47:55 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:47:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Help !! Message-ID: <20020417154517.85CC213632B@server12.safepages.com> My Canon BJC 4000 printer has gone insane! It won't stop printing ASCII characters! It using reams of paper and gallons of ink. I feel like the Mad Sci whose lost control of his monster. I'm sure I created it with some innocent print order, but what order I don't know. No GUI will stop its mad progression to chaos. No removal of Job, no removal of printer, no understanding by befuddled Linuxite. Please send help as disaster looms. Dirk From mking at magnetinternet.com Wed Apr 17 15:52:19 2002 From: mking at magnetinternet.com (Matt King) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Help !! In-Reply-To: <20020417154517.85CC213632B@server12.safepages.com> References: <20020417154517.85CC213632B@server12.safepages.com> Message-ID: <9674.64.81.184.194.1019058739.squirrel@webmail.magnetinternet.com> How about unplugging the printer, then clearing the print queue? man lprm > My Canon BJC 4000 printer has gone insane! It won't stop printing ASCII > characters! It using reams of paper and gallons of ink. I feel like > the Mad Sci whose lost control of his monster. I'm sure I created it > with some innocent print order, but what order I don't know. No GUI > will stop its mad progression to chaos. No removal of Job, no removal > of printer, no understanding by befuddled Linuxite. Please send help > as disaster looms. Dirk > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From heinlein at attbi.com Wed Apr 17 15:56:59 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Help !! In-Reply-To: <20020417154517.85CC213632B@server12.safepages.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Dirk & Karen wrote: > My Canon BJC 4000 printer has gone insane! It won't stop printing > ASCII characters! It using reams of paper and gallons of ink. I feel > like the Mad Sci whose lost control of his monster. I'm sure I > created it with some innocent print order, but what order I don't > know. No GUI will stop its mad progression to chaos. No removal of > Job, no removal of printer, no understanding by befuddled Linuxite. > Please send help as disaster looms. Dirk This is what I'd try: 1. Power off the printer, or disconnect its cable 2. Run 'lprm -a all' 3. Run 'lpc kill' Then see what happens. --Paul Heinlein From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Apr 17 16:17:34 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Help !! In-Reply-To: <20020417154517.85CC213632B@server12.safepages.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Dirk & Karen wrote: > My Canon BJC 4000 printer has gone insane! It won't stop printing ASCII > characters! It using reams of paper and gallons of ink. I feel like the Mad > Sci whose lost control of his monster. I'm sure I created it with some > innocent print order, but what order I don't know. No GUI will stop its mad > progression to chaos. No removal of Job, no removal of printer, no > understanding by befuddled Linuxite. Please send help as disaster looms. Dirk, It's not gone bonkers, but printing what it is being fed: PostScript. Apparently gs has stopped converting the postscript into whatever language the Canon recognizes. What is your printing system (lp, lpr, lpRNG, CUPS, etc.) and what application are you using to feed the printer? Rich From hapibeli at save-net.com Wed Apr 17 05:53:14 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:53:14 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Help !! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020417175039.C04F15F5F@server3.safepages.com> On Wednesday 17 April 2002 09:17 am, you wrote: > On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Dirk & Karen wrote: > > My Canon BJC 4000 printer has gone insane! It won't stop printing ASCII > > characters! It using reams of paper and gallons of ink. I feel like the > > Mad Sci whose lost control of his monster. I'm sure I created it with > > some innocent print order, but what order I don't know. No GUI will stop > > its mad progression to chaos. No removal of Job, no removal of printer, > > no understanding by befuddled Linuxite. Please send help as disaster > > looms. > > Dirk, > > It's not gone bonkers, but printing what it is being fed: PostScript. > > Apparently gs has stopped converting the postscript into whatever > language the Canon recognizes. > > What is your printing system (lp, lpr, lpRNG, CUPS, etc.) and what > application are you using to feed the printer? > > Rich Thanks Matt and Paul. Yes Rich, > That's what I thought was happening, but after trying to reconfigure the printer with printtool , I change nothing. I seem have both lpr and cups ready to go with cups running at present. It is Postscript , Properties being; lpr ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+'-P'}${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME} How do I change this? Dirk From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Apr 17 18:01:56 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Help !! In-Reply-To: <20020417175039.C04F15F5F@server3.safepages.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Dirk & Karen wrote: > That's what I thought was happening, but after trying to reconfigure the > printer with printtool , I change nothing. I seem have both lpr and cups > ready to go with cups running at present. > > It is Postscript , Properties being; > lpr ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+'-P'}${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME} > How do I change this? Dirk, With CUPS, invoke the printer setup as '/usr/sbin/printers'. Also, when I define a printer string for an application (e.g., mozilla) I do it as 'lpr -P %s'. When I installed CUPS I removed lpr first. Now when I try to find 'printtool' on my system this is what I see: [rshepard at salmo ~]$ locate printtool /usr/doc/rhl-rg-6.1en/figs/sysconfig/printtool-addlocal.gif /usr/doc/rhl-rg-6.1en/figs/sysconfig/printtool-addremote.gif /usr/doc/rhl-rg-6.1en/figs/sysconfig/printtool-filter.gif /usr/doc/rhl-rg-6.1en/figs/sysconfig/printtool-ncp.gif /usr/doc/rhl-rg-6.1en/figs/sysconfig/printtool-smb.gif /usr/doc/rhl-rg-6.1en/figs/sysconfig/printtool-test-menu.gif /usr/doc/rhl-rg-6.1en/figs/sysconfig/printtool-type.gif /usr/lib/rhs/control-panel/printtool.warn So I suppose it's no longer available. Anyway, with the CUPS GUI printer setup you define the printer, the device by which it's known and so on. The CUPS documentation has all the details. FWIW, I paid Easy Software for their PrintPro drivers so I could get the full benefit of the HP 2500C under linux. It does a much better job printing from The GIMP in linux than from MapInfo in the virutal win98. For me, it is well worth the money. But, there may be enhanced drivers freely available for the Canon model you have. Check both the ESW and linux printing sites. HTH, Rich From rddunlap at osdl.org Wed Apr 17 18:04:46 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: mapping s/w (WAS: Re: [PLUG] Help !!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: | It does a much better job printing | from The GIMP in linux than from MapInfo in the virutal win98. Has anyone tried http://www.gnomad-mapping.com ? Is there other mapping s/w for Linux? -- ~Randy From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Apr 17 18:17:52 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: mapping s/w (WAS: Re: [PLUG] Help !!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Randy.Dunlap wrote: > Has anyone tried http://www.gnomad-mapping.com ? > > Is there other mapping s/w for Linux? Randy, I don't want to wander off-topic here, but there is a large difference between "mapping" software and spatial-analytical software (a.k.a. "GIS"). AFAIK, the only linux GIS is GRASS (Geographic Resource Analysis Support System). But, I'll take a look at gnomad-mapping, thank you. Rich From hapibeli at save-net.com Wed Apr 17 06:37:34 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 23:37:34 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Help !! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020417183456.B92885E2B@server1.safepages.com> > With CUPS, invoke the printer setup as '/usr/sbin/printers'. Also, when I > define a printer string for an application (e.g., mozilla) I do it as 'lpr > -P %s'. > > When I installed CUPS I removed lpr first. Now when I try to find > 'printtool' on my system this is what I see: > > [rshepard at salmo ~]$ locate printtool > /usr/doc/rhl-rg-6.1en/figs/sysconfig/printtool-addlocal.gif > /usr/doc/rhl-rg-6.1en/figs/sysconfig/printtool-addremote.gif > /usr/doc/rhl-rg-6.1en/figs/sysconfig/printtool-filter.gif > /usr/doc/rhl-rg-6.1en/figs/sysconfig/printtool-ncp.gif > /usr/doc/rhl-rg-6.1en/figs/sysconfig/printtool-smb.gif > /usr/doc/rhl-rg-6.1en/figs/sysconfig/printtool-test-menu.gif > /usr/doc/rhl-rg-6.1en/figs/sysconfig/printtool-type.gif > /usr/lib/rhs/control-panel/printtool.warn > > So I suppose it's no longer available. Anyway, with the CUPS GUI printer > setup you define the printer, the device by which it's known and so on. The > CUPS documentation has all the details. > > FWIW, I paid Easy Software for their PrintPro drivers so I could get the > full benefit of the HP 2500C under linux. It does a much better job > printing from The GIMP in linux than from MapInfo in the virutal win98. For > me, it is well worth the money. But, there may be enhanced drivers freely > available for the Canon model you have. Check both the ESW and linux > printing sites. > > HTH, > > Rich > Thanks Rich. Will do. Dirk From hapibeli at save-net.com Wed Apr 17 06:53:09 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 23:53:09 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Printer killed Message-ID: <20020417185033.462345D6E@server1.safepages.com> Looks like I finally killed the errant beast. ps aux and killed the lp proc. Dirk From seniorr at aracnet.com Wed Apr 17 19:25:43 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 17 Apr 2002 12:25:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Printer killed In-Reply-To: <20020417185033.462345D6E@server1.safepages.com> References: <20020417185033.462345D6E@server1.safepages.com> Message-ID: <863cxuqg94.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Dirk" == Dirk & Karen writes: Dirk> Looks like I finally killed the errant beast. ps aux and killed Dirk> the lp proc. If there is anything left in the spool, that won't fix it permanently... when you turn on the daemon again, and it'll keep trying to spit out the print job. So figure out where your print system stashes its print jobs and look there to be sure they are really gone. Someone earlier suggested looking in /etc/printcap to see where "sd" points and look there. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From mike at computer-arts.net Wed Apr 17 19:31:23 2002 From: mike at computer-arts.net (Mike Witt) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:31:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Probes from non-existent domains References: Message-ID: <3CBDCD8B.DB304DB8@computer-arts.net> Paul Heinlein wrote: > It seems to me a lot of this nonsense would go away if ISPs enforced > some router discipline for their dial-up and DSL customers. The ISPs > could merely refuse to forward packets that don't have a host address > matching their dial-up/DSL subnet(s). If that were the default policy > (with exceptions made when a customer can convince the ISP that > outbound spoofing is legitimate), lots of 'false hosts' would > disappear from /var/log/*. > > Of course, I might not understand all the issues an ISP faces in this > regard. I'd be interested to hear from someone who's had to deal with > this. I managed the engineering group at Verio Oregon for about 3 years and I don't believe there is any reason that ISPs couldn't enforce this (and many do.) Of course, someone could always present counter arguments. -Mike -- Mike Witt Computer Arts, West Linn Oregon, USA http://www.computer-arts.net/~mike From brucek at kingkon.com Tue Apr 16 06:30:40 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:30:40 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ssh woes - partially resolved In-Reply-To: ; from longman@sharplabs.com on Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 04:44:20PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020415233039.A1641@defiant.pacifier.com> Longman, Bill's Log: StarDate 0415.1644: > My next question is: Is the sshd running on the target? That sure is what it > sounds like, now. Especially if the other services have died, too. yes, checked that (b4 asking 4 help). Found it wasn't running on the source, which I fixed, and then checked the targets. But that didn't help. > If so, you might wanna zap your .ssh/options file and start again in vanilla > mode. Or you can just remove the drizzle section if you have anything else > you really really need in there. The options file is pretty handy when you > have one machine (like I do) that is very particular (only accepts protocol > 1) compared to your defaults. Zapped the options file first thing this am, again before requesting help. Had renamed it first (to _options), but that didn't work either. > And when all else fails, you can try the debug options on ssh. They work > fairly well to see where it's dying. Good idea, hadn't thot of that. The funny thing is, now that I'm back on my home system, having rebooted twice (once to go to the dsl-mail-service, and once to return) scp is working fine, as is ssh. I don't get it! AAAaaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!! > -- > WEL Now if I could just get nfs working. Or anything else that lets me view the contents of the CDRW on one system from another system. -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From longman at sharplabs.com Wed Apr 17 20:08:32 2002 From: longman at sharplabs.com (Longman, Bill) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:08:32 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ssh woes - partially resolved Message-ID: > Good idea, hadn't thot of that. The funny thing is, now that I'm back > on my home system, having rebooted twice (once to go to the > dsl-mail-service, and once to return) scp is working fine, as is ssh. > > I don't get it! AAAaaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!! The "ready-at-the-hip" response of one of my sysadmins several years ago was, "Reboot". We all kidded him about it but unfortunately it worked 85% of the time. > Now if I could just get nfs working. Or anything else that lets me > view the contents of the CDRW on one system from another system. The force is strong with you, Luke! Use the force! And if that fails, Samba can be your friend. It's not just for Windows, anymore. -- WEL From rkurth at starband.net Wed Apr 17 20:36:03 2002 From: rkurth at starband.net (Richard Kurth) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:36:03 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Are there any Meetings this month In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <100308807912.20020417133603@starband.net> Are there any more meetings this month in the Portland area -- Best regards, Richard mailto:rkurth at starband.net From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Apr 17 20:40:25 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] ssh woes - partially resolved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Longman, Bill wrote: > The force is strong with you, Luke! Use the force! You can also use duct tape. Duct tape is like the Force: they both have a light side and a dark side and they're used to hold the Universe together. Rich From brucek at kingkon.com Wed Apr 17 22:13:20 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:13:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 10:55:19PM -0700 References: <20020415210255.V1598@defiant> Message-ID: <20020417151320.B1586@defiant.pacifier.com> Rich Shepard's Log: StarDate 0415.2255: > On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > > This was great. took about 2-3 hours to collect 488MB. Couldn't use > > wget tho, had to use "ftp -iv ... mget *". > > You don't use ncftp? Shame on you! :-) Does it run from the command line? What are it's features? Teach me! I suppose I should'a used sftp.... -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brucek at kingkon.com Wed Apr 17 22:16:24 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:16:24 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? In-Reply-To: <20020416092256.A9449@dalsemi.com>; from ckuskie@dalsemi.com on Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 09:22:56AM -0700 References: <20020411234624.G14757@defiant.pacifier.com> <3CB6835E.9010608@pacifier.com> <3CB6F3ED.2080709@parkrose.k12.or.us> <20020415210255.V1598@defiant> <20020416092256.A9449@dalsemi.com> Message-ID: <20020417151624.C1586@defiant.pacifier.com> Colin Kuskie's Log: StarDate 0416.0922: > This is my script for calling wget. You need to modify it because > different hosts have different paths, but I've used it on U of O's ftp > site before. > > Also, a while ago Paul Heinlein shared his script that does the same > thing using rsync. You should be able to find it in the archives. > > #!/usr/local/bin/tcsh > wget --mirror -np \ > --no-host-directories \ > --cut-dirs=5 \ > --directory-prefix='/tmp/redhat_updates/7.2/en' \ > -I/pub/linux/redhat/updates/7.2/os/ \ > -X/pub/linux/redhat/updates/7.2/os/SRPMS \ > -X/pub/linux/redhat/updates/7.2/os/ia64 \ > -A'kde-i18n*,ttfonts-ja*,ttfonts-ko*' \ > ftp://zeus.nmt.edu/pub/linux/redhat/updates/7.2/os > > Colin This looks like it just gets all the files. How do I just get the "new" files? Maybe that's in Paul's script. -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But > > it wouldn't let me ssh in (which I later found it is *normal?*), or > > bring up the video. > > > > I thot of disabling the apm, in hopes of keeping the video active > > indefinitely, as perhaps a way to at least see the last state prior to > > lockup. But apm isn't running on that system. So, I dunno what causes > > the video to blank out after a few minutes. > > Good idea, you should be able to disable it in the BIOS. If that fixes > it, there may be some options available during a kernel configuration > that will fix it. "Allow interrupts during APM call" or something like > that. What kind of chipset does your video card have? Maybe your > kernel has ACPI enabled, but your motherboard implementation is buggy. I always turn ALL apm features off in the BIOS. I *hate* rebooting a machine to tweak those settings. If I want things saving energy, I'll find a software way, or turn off the monitor. The vid card is a Matrox Millenium II, but I don't have the manual handy, and am not yet ready to yank hardware to fix this. > Otherwise, start pulling hardware (or swapping it) until you find the > culprit. > > I would start with a nice fresh kernel, compiled for your specific > hardware before looking at the hardware. What? The redhat72 kernel isn't good enough? How can that be? ;) compiling a fresh kernel is likely to happen soon anyway, but I've never done that, and I'm a little nervous about making the thing unusable. So, I'll be doing that on a less critical machine first, until I get comfortable with it, and with the correct changes to the grub file, etc. > Good Luck > > Derek Loree Thanx! -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Apr 17 22:38:02 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? In-Reply-To: <20020417151320.B1586@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Does it run from the command line? What are it's features? Teach me! I > suppose I should'a used sftp.... Bruce, Mike Gleason wrote/writes/maintains ncFTP . Among other features, it can pick up a disrupted download from the point of interruption, you can put and get multiple files without worrying which are binary and which are ASCII, you can specify the full path and file names on the command line and it will get that one file for you without your direct interaction, and it can be set to do puts and gets in the background and from a cron job. The latest version has even more support for running behind a firewall and it allows you to specify a particular username when a site requirs that (and that formerly made me switch to vanilla ftp -- yuck!). Rich From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Wed Apr 17 23:04:05 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:04:05 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? In-Reply-To: <20020417151624.C1586@defiant.pacifier.com>; from brucek@kingkon.com on Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 03:16:24PM -0700 References: <20020411234624.G14757@defiant.pacifier.com> <3CB6835E.9010608@pacifier.com> <3CB6F3ED.2080709@parkrose.k12.or.us> <20020415210255.V1598@defiant> <20020416092256.A9449@dalsemi.com> <20020417151624.C1586@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020417160405.B11430@dalsemi.com> On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 03:16:24PM -0700, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Colin Kuskie's Log: StarDate 0416.0922: > > This is my script for calling wget. You need to modify it because > > different hosts have different paths, but I've used it on U of O's ftp > > site before. > > > > Also, a while ago Paul Heinlein shared his script that does the same > > thing using rsync. You should be able to find it in the archives. > > > > #!/usr/local/bin/tcsh > > wget --mirror -np \ > > --no-host-directories \ > > --cut-dirs=5 \ > > --directory-prefix='/tmp/redhat_updates/7.2/en' \ > > -I/pub/linux/redhat/updates/7.2/os/ \ > > -X/pub/linux/redhat/updates/7.2/os/SRPMS \ > > -X/pub/linux/redhat/updates/7.2/os/ia64 \ > > -A'kde-i18n*,ttfonts-ja*,ttfonts-ko*' \ > > ftp://zeus.nmt.edu/pub/linux/redhat/updates/7.2/os > > > > Colin > > This looks like it just gets all the files. How do I just get the > "new" files? Maybe that's in Paul's script. Paul's script uses a different internet protocol called Rsync. Rsync was built to mirror directories on different machines and it only mirrors what it needs to. The --mirror switch to wget (which uses FTP) is a shortcut to a whole series of other switches, one of which says "Only download files that are newer that what I already have". Colin From brucek at kingkon.com Wed Apr 17 23:11:19 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:11:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Are there any Meetings this month In-Reply-To: <100308807912.20020417133603@starband.net>; from rkurth@starband.net on Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 01:36:03PM -0700 References: <100308807912.20020417133603@starband.net> Message-ID: <20020417161119.E1586@defiant.pacifier.com> Richard Kurth's Log: StarDate 0417.1336: > > Are there any more meetings this month in the Portland area First Thursday at PSU, Third Wednesday at IABP, Every Month. 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I'll be there tonite; and there was some discussion about the current state of the Web Committee, so maybe that'll be tonites topic. Please, folks, lets all at least show up and buy some beer! -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brucek at kingkon.com Wed Apr 17 23:55:14 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:55:14 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] NFS timed out Message-ID: <20020417165513.H1586@defiant.pacifier.com> I'm trying to access the CD on one system from another, and it consistently fails. So today, while at Jeme's, I tried to mount a volume that he has successfully exported and mounted on one of his systems (doing it as root to sidestep user issues): [root at defiant jeme]# mount -t nfs 10.42.42.39:/export/home/ /mnt mount: RPC: Timed out This is the same error I get on my systems at home, which implies to me that I have got things correctly configured on the server side. Any ideas on what's wrong on the client side? -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Apr 17 23:57:48 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] NFS timed out In-Reply-To: <20020417165513.H1586@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > This is the same error I get on my systems at home, which implies to > me that I have got things correctly configured on the server side. Any > ideas on what's wrong on the client side? When I had RPC problems here it almost always was resolved by restarting the network on the uncooperative machine. YMMV, Rich From brucek at kingkon.com Thu Apr 18 00:08:08 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:08:08 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? In-Reply-To: <20020417160405.B11430@dalsemi.com>; from ckuskie@dalsemi.com on Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 04:04:05PM -0700 References: <20020411234624.G14757@defiant.pacifier.com> <3CB6835E.9010608@pacifier.com> <3CB6F3ED.2080709@parkrose.k12.or.us> <20020415210255.V1598@defiant> <20020416092256.A9449@dalsemi.com> <20020417151624.C1586@defiant.pacifier.com> <20020417160405.B11430@dalsemi.com> Message-ID: <20020417170807.I1586@defiant.pacifier.com> Colin Kuskie's Log: StarDate 0417.1604: > The --mirror switch to wget (which uses FTP) is a shortcut to a whole > series of other switches, one of which says "Only download files that > are newer that what I already have". OK. That's handy. Except that I'd need to keep a local copy on my laptop in order to "only download newer files", and I was hoping to do some sort of filename/date compare from a list. -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From russj at dimstar.net Thu Apr 18 00:24:20 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:24:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? In-Reply-To: <20020417170807.I1586@defiant.pacifier.com> References: <20020417160405.B11430@dalsemi.com> <20020411234624.G14757@defiant.pacifier.com> <3CB6835E.9010608@pacifier.com> <3CB6F3ED.2080709@parkrose.k12.or.us> <20020415210255.V1598@defiant> <20020416092256.A9449@dalsemi.com> <20020417151624.C1586@defiant.pacifier.com> <20020417160405.B11430@dalsemi.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020417172251.00b329e8@localhost> If you are just looking at ftp, take a look at the mirror perl script. The problem I have with wget is it doesn't remove files that no longer exist on the site you are mirroring... Unless I've overlooked something. http://sunsite.org.uk/packages/mirror/ At 05:08 PM 4/17/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Colin Kuskie's Log: StarDate 0417.1604: > > The --mirror switch to wget (which uses FTP) is a shortcut to a whole > > series of other switches, one of which says "Only download files that > > are newer that what I already have". > >OK. That's handy. Except that I'd need to keep a local copy on my >laptop in order to "only download newer files", and I was hoping to do >some sort of filename/date compare from a list. > >-bk >-- >Bruce Kingsland >Kingsland Konsulting >brucek at kingkon.com >503-936-1655 >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand From codeyeti at yahoo.com Thu Apr 18 00:22:56 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:22:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? References: <20020415210255.V1598@defiant> <20020417151320.B1586@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <3CBE11DF.51E064C7@yahoo.com> I've always been a fan of wget for updates et al. It does http and ftp and can do recursive gets.... not that you could use it to snarf up pr0n or anything, but that's a definate usage. ;^) The syntax is like this "wget -r ftp://mirror.you/want/to/copy/filename" for a recursive snarf. There are also options for a username and password if you need it. There's also prozilla, which lets you grab a file in as many ftp sessions as you can handle, similar to the windows utility flashget. It's good for those who have mondo bandwidth but are capped at the server side. I use this to download ISO images to burn. Tschuss --Mike Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Rich Shepard's Log: StarDate 0415.2255: > > On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > > > > This was great. took about 2-3 hours to collect 488MB. Couldn't use > > > wget tho, had to use "ftp -iv ... mget *". > > > > You don't use ncftp? Shame on you! :-) > > Does it run from the command line? What are it's features? Teach me! I > suppose I should'a used sftp.... > > -bk > -- > Bruce Kingsland > Kingsland Konsulting > brucek at kingkon.com > 503-936-1655 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > -------------------------------------------------- > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas Fucking Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From bhoran at hexdev.com Thu Apr 18 00:44:21 2002 From: bhoran at hexdev.com (Brian Horan) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:44:21 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] NFS timed out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sounds like portmapper on the server isn't liking the client...are the versions of No F___ing Security (NFS) the same or similar? On Wednesday 17 April 2002 07:57 pm, you wrote: > On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > This is the same error I get on my systems at home, which implies to > > me that I have got things correctly configured on the server side. Any > > ideas on what's wrong on the client side? > > When I had RPC problems here it almost always was resolved by restarting > the network on the uncooperative machine. > > YMMV, > > Rich > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com From brucek at kingkon.com Thu Apr 18 01:46:17 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:46:17 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] NFS timed out In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 04:57:48PM -0700 References: <20020417165513.H1586@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020417184617.L1586@defiant.pacifier.com> Rich Shepard's Log: StarDate 0417.1657: > On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > > This is the same error I get on my systems at home, which implies to > > me that I have got things correctly configured on the server side. Any > > ideas on what's wrong on the client side? > > When I had RPC problems here it almost always was resolved by restarting > the network on the uncooperative machine. Tried that, no help. Found out that if I shutdown the firewall on my laptop, NFS works. Now to figger out the best balance of services and protections. -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any > > > ideas on what's wrong on the client side? > > > > When I had RPC problems here it almost always was resolved by restarting > > the network on the uncooperative machine. > > > > YMMV, > > > > Rich > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- > Brian Horan > bhoran at hexdev.com > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was able to view "Candy in Hell," on the Shockwave site, though it appeared to play too fast. (When she's in hell, she's "fast": maybe that's it.) ===== Robert "Tim" Kopp http://analytic.tripod.com/ "SAMBA--opening Windows to a wider world." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From allyn at well.com Thu Apr 18 04:22:04 2002 From: allyn at well.com (Mark Allyn) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] NEED ADV TOPIC SPEAKER(S) In-Reply-To: <20020417161635.F1586@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: What meeting are we talking about, May 3rd? Mark From lemming at attbi.com Thu Apr 18 05:08:59 2002 From: lemming at attbi.com (Mark Morgan) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:08:59 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] NEED ADV TOPIC SPEAKER(S) References: Message-ID: <3CBE54EB.5000004@attbi.com> Mark Allyn wrote: > What meeting are we talking about, May 3rd? > > Mark The ongoing meeting though a nice demo of virtual servers was being done when I had to leave. A topic for next months meeting would be nice. -Another Mark From ziggy at anodizing.com Thu Apr 18 15:38:56 2002 From: ziggy at anodizing.com (Abraham Zwygart) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:38:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] kde/system locking up References: <3CB32661.103A64C@anodizing.com> <20020409112933.S5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <3CB3492F.F0CE1380@anodizing.com> <3CB3D4C3.3C888E26@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CBEE890.46B0EFB3@anodizing.com> Hi again, I have a 350 amd with 128 meg of memory using RedHat 7.2. Have written earlier about kde 3.0 locking the system. Thought I had it resolved when I re-did the kde 3.0 install. It's locking up again. It locks up when I boot-up with the printer turned on. Also noticed that there was a error on boot-up about irq 5? Goes by to fast to read. Questions: 1. How do I list the bootup messages? Are they in a log file? 2. Is there a way to list all of the irq # and what they are assigned to? 3. The last thing changed was installing a new network card to get on the cable modem. In windows it says that the irq for the nic is #5. I thought irq #5 was reserved for the printer? I am thinking that because the nic was the last to be installed that I will need to changed it's irq setting. How? Nic NEC 3000 pci pnp Thanks for your help Abraham Z. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ | SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator | 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy at anodizing.com | Portland, OR 97211 | Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 | | The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine | and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mikedela at ipns.com Thu Apr 18 15:56:53 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:56:53 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] kde/system locking up In-Reply-To: <3CBEE890.46B0EFB3@anodizing.com> Message-ID: <42HBRMHFURHEGCZICWR08NHZXIF4WTO.3cbeecc5@miked> Irq 7 is generally reserved for lpt1. Irq 5 is "generally" for lpt2, and is "generally" free for extras. I like to put NICs on Irq10, if I have to place them manyally. Check in /var/logs for the bootlog. I'm not next to a 7.2 system, but it IIRC it's obviously named. It has those quicly scrolling messages. You can also use the pause key to get the boot process to stop. How it resumes varies by BIOS, but, it's generally space, enter or another strike of the pause key. 4/18/02 8:38:56 AM, Abraham Zwygart wrote: >Hi again, >I have a 350 amd with 128 meg of memory using RedHat 7.2. >Have written earlier about kde 3.0 locking the system. Thought I had it resolved >when I re-did the kde 3.0 install. It's locking up again. It locks up when I >boot-up >with the printer turned on. Also noticed that there was a error on boot-up about >irq 5? Goes by to fast to read. Questions: >1. How do I list the bootup messages? Are they in a log file? >2. Is there a way to list all of the irq # and what they are assigned to? >3. The last thing changed was installing a new network card to get on the cable > modem. In windows it says that the irq for the nic is #5. I thought irq # 5 was > > reserved for the printer? I am thinking that because the nic was the last to be > > installed that I will need to changed it's irq setting. How? > Nic NEC 3000 pci pnp >Thanks for your help >Abraham Z. >-- >+----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >| Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ >| SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator >| 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy at anodizing.com >| Portland, OR 97211 >| Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 >| >| The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine >| and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. >+----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ---------- Mike De La Mater Mike De La Mater Consulting mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 From tjg at craigelachie.org Thu Apr 18 16:00:52 2002 From: tjg at craigelachie.org (Timothy Grant) Date: 18 Apr 2002 09:00:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Possible DBA opening... Message-ID: <1019145654.904.2.camel@reepicheep> Hi all, I have become aware of a place that may need a DBA. They use Oracle and are starting to use PostgreSQL. If you are interested, or know someone who might be interested, point me to a resume and I'll make sure it gets to the right folk. -- Stand Fast, tjg. Timothy Grant www.craigelachie.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Wed Apr 17 16:57:00 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (D. Cooper Stevenson) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:57:00 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] [jared.king@JobPenguin.com: Open Source Job Board] Message-ID: <20020417095700.B504@linux-enterprise.net> All; I just recieved this this morning: ----- Forwarded message from jared.king at JobPenguin.com ----- Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:41:21 -0400 To: cooper at linux-enterprise.net Subject: Open Source Job Board From: jared.king at JobPenguin.com Reply: jared.king at JobPenguin.com Hi Cooper, I'm contacting you to raise your awareness of a new job resource specifically targeted to open source professionals such as yourself and the members of your LUG. We've recently launched JobPenguin (http://www.JobPenguin.com), developed by open source professionals who believe in the industry and want to give it the support it needs and deserves. Our President is an experienced PHP programmer, and our CTO is the author of the book "Slackware Linux for Dummies". We are currently marketing the site to over 250 companies who are specifically targeting open source skills such as Linux system administration, PHP, C++, Python, Perl, and Java. We are also marketing to the broader business market, targeting companies who may only have one division or location that needs open source professionals. We are trying to get the word out there just like the rest of the community that open source is the way to go. We invite you and your members to visit JobPenguin and register. Post your r?sum?. Make it public or keep it private. Be anonymous if you wish. Set up a job retriever that will e-mail you with new job postings that match your criteria. If you have any feedback on the site PLEASE send it to me. All opinions and ideas are appreciated. Also, if you would like me to send a message to the LUG through a mailing list that you maintain please advise. Thanks, Jared JobPenguin "When it's time to get a job... It's time to see the penguin." http://www.JobPenguin.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper.stevenson at wahchang.com UNIX Administrator |PH: (541)791-1322 Telledyne Wah Chang |FAX: (541)924-6895 ------------------------------------------------------ From Ben.Mazhary-Clark at nike.com Thu Apr 18 16:03:53 2002 From: Ben.Mazhary-Clark at nike.com (Mazhary-Clark, Ben) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:03:53 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] kde/system locking up Message-ID: Answers to your Questions: 1. How do I list the bootup messages? Are they in a log file? A. under /var/log/dmeg you should see your boot messages. 2. Is there a way to list all of the irq # and what they are assigned to? A. `cat proc/interrupts` should give you a listing. 3. The last thing changed was installing a new network card to get on the cable modem. In windows it says that the irq for the nic is #5. I thought irq #5 was reserved for the printer? I am thinking that because the nic was the last to be installed that I will need to changed it's irq setting. How? Nic NEC 3000 pci pnp A. If you feel you need to change the IRQ setting for your parallel port you need to change it in the BIOS. If you need to change the network card you may need to download a setup utility to reconfigure the settings of the card. But without knowing that card (NEC 3000? I couldn't find on the net) in specific I can't tell you. Hope this helps, --ben (VxD on #orlug at irc.openprojects.net) From revans at e-z.net Thu Apr 18 16:10:55 2002 From: revans at e-z.net (Russell Evans) Date: 18 Apr 2002 09:10:55 PDT Subject: [PLUG] kde/system locking up In-Reply-To: <3CBEE890.46B0EFB3@anodizing.com> References: <3CB32661.103A64C@anodizing.com> <20020409112933.S5959@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <3CB3492F.F0CE1380@anodizing.com> <3CB3D4C3.3C888E26@yahoo.com> <3CBEE890.46B0EFB3@anodizing.com> Message-ID: As root use the command dmesg and pass the output to less via a pipe, i.e. # dmesg | less Thank you Russell On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:38:56 -0700, Abraham Zwygart said: > Hi again, > I have a 350 amd with 128 meg of memory using RedHat 7.2. > Have written earlier about kde 3.0 locking the system. Thought I had it resolved > when I re-did the kde 3.0 install. It's locking up again. It locks up when I > boot-up > with the printer turned on. Also noticed that there was a error on boot-up about > irq 5? Goes by to fast to read. Questions: > 1. How do I list the bootup messages? Are they in a log file? > 2. Is there a way to list all of the irq # and what they are assigned to? > 3. The last thing changed was installing a new network card to get on the cable > modem. In windows it says that the irq for the nic is #5. I thought irq #5 was > > reserved for the printer? I am thinking that because the nic was the last to be > > installed that I will need to changed it's irq setting. How? > Nic NEC 3000 pci pnp > Thanks for your help > Abraham Z. > -- > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ > | SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator > | 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy at anodizing.com > | Portland, OR 97211 > | Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 > | > | The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine > | and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > From heinlein at attbi.com Thu Apr 18 16:13:35 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] kde/system locking up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Mazhary-Clark, Ben wrote: > Answers to your Questions: > 1. How do I list the bootup messages? Are they in a log file? > A. under /var/log/dmeg you should see your boot messages. Ben meant "/var/log/dmesg" :-) Linux systems typically have a binary interface to that file, /bin/dmesg. Try running "dmesg | less" to see the kernel's boot messages. --Paul Heinlein From revans at e-z.net Thu Apr 18 16:13:42 2002 From: revans at e-z.net (Russell Evans) Date: 18 Apr 2002 09:13:42 PDT Subject: [PLUG] [jared.king@JobPenguin.com: Open Source Job Board] In-Reply-To: <20020417095700.B504@linux-enterprise.net> References: <20020417095700.B504@linux-enterprise.net> Message-ID: There's a joke waiting to be born. Thank you Russell On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:57:00 -0700, D. Cooper Stevenson said: >deserves. Our President is an experienced PHP programmer, and our CTO is the author of the book "Slackware Linux >for Dummies". > From m at netpro.to Thu Apr 18 16:16:56 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] kde/system locking up In-Reply-To: <42HBRMHFURHEGCZICWR08NHZXIF4WTO.3cbeecc5@miked> Message-ID: Also use "dmesg" to see boot messages. On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Mike De La Mater wrote: > Irq 7 is generally reserved for lpt1. Irq 5 is "generally" for lpt2, and is > "generally" free for extras. I like to put NICs on Irq10, if I have to place them > manyally. > > Check in /var/logs for the bootlog. I'm not next to a 7.2 system, but it IIRC > it's obviously named. It has those quicly scrolling messages. You can also use > the pause key to get the boot process to stop. How it resumes varies by BIOS, > but, it's generally space, enter or another strike of the pause key. > > 4/18/02 8:38:56 AM, Abraham Zwygart wrote: > > >Hi again, > >I have a 350 amd with 128 meg of memory using RedHat 7.2. > >Have written earlier about kde 3.0 locking the system. Thought I had it > resolved > >when I re-did the kde 3.0 install. It's locking up again. It locks up when I > >boot-up > >with the printer turned on. Also noticed that there was a error on boot-up > about > >irq 5? Goes by to fast to read. Questions: > >1. How do I list the bootup messages? Are they in a log file? > >2. Is there a way to list all of the irq # and what they are assigned to? > >3. The last thing changed was installing a new network card to get on the cable > > modem. In windows it says that the irq for the nic is #5. I thought irq # > 5 was > > > > reserved for the printer? I am thinking that because the nic was the last > to be > > > > installed that I will need to changed it's irq setting. How? > > Nic NEC 3000 pci pnp > >Thanks for your help > >Abraham Z. > >-- > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >| Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ > >| SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator > >| 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy at anodizing.com > >| Portland, OR 97211 > >| Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 > >| > >| The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine > >| and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PLUG mailing list > >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ---------- > Mike De La Mater > Mike De La Mater Consulting > mikedela at ipns.com > 503-702-6749 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From Ben.Mazhary-Clark at nike.com Thu Apr 18 16:16:31 2002 From: Ben.Mazhary-Clark at nike.com (Mazhary-Clark, Ben) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:16:31 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] kde/system locking up Message-ID: Well here I go, responding to my own post. With #1 below that was for a debian system only. In RedHat you can look under /var/log/boot.log or /var/log/messages (or take Russell Evans suggestion that just popped in!) --ben (Hey everybody, let's do a twist train -> #orlug on irc.openprojects.net) -----Original Message----- From: Mazhary-Clark, Ben [mailto:Ben.Mazhary-Clark at nike.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:04 AM To: 'plug at lists.pdxlinux.org' Subject: RE: [PLUG] kde/system locking up Answers to your Questions: 1. How do I list the bootup messages? Are they in a log file? A. under /var/log/dmeg you should see your boot messages. 2. Is there a way to list all of the irq # and what they are assigned to? A. `cat proc/interrupts` should give you a listing. 3. The last thing changed was installing a new network card to get on the cable modem. In windows it says that the irq for the nic is #5. I thought irq #5 was reserved for the printer? I am thinking that because the nic was the last to be installed that I will need to changed it's irq setting. How? Nic NEC 3000 pci pnp A. If you feel you need to change the IRQ setting for your parallel port you need to change it in the BIOS. If you need to change the network card you may need to download a setup utility to reconfigure the settings of the card. But without knowing that card (NEC 3000? I couldn't find on the net) in specific I can't tell you. Hope this helps, --ben (VxD on #orlug at irc.openprojects.net) _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From dagit at engr.orst.edu Thu Apr 18 16:53:35 2002 From: dagit at engr.orst.edu (Jason Dagit) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] [jared.king@JobPenguin.com: Open Source Job Board] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 18 Apr 2002, Russell Evans wrote: > There's a joke waiting to be born. Oh, when I read that I thought the joke had already been made :) Jason > > Thank you > Russell > > On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:57:00 -0700, D. Cooper Stevenson said: > > >deserves. Our President is an experienced PHP programmer, and our CTO is the author of the book "Slackware Linux >for Dummies". > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From m at netpro.to Thu Apr 18 16:54:44 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Intel i815 strangeness Message-ID: I'm experiencing some strange behavior with the Intel i815 graphics chipset. The title bars of windows sometimes have faded vertical lines in them. You can minimize the window and then maximize it again and sometimes the lines go away and sometimes they get worse. Has anyone else experienced this odd behavior with this chip? Any suggestions on how you fixed it? Thanks, ~M From ziggy at anodizing.com Thu Apr 18 16:53:12 2002 From: ziggy at anodizing.com (Abraham Zwygart) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:53:12 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] kde/system locking up References: Message-ID: <3CBEF9F8.F3706D6@anodizing.com> Thanks all I will try this out tonight Abraham Z. "Mazhary-Clark, Ben" wrote: > Answers to your Questions: > 1. How do I list the bootup messages? Are they in a log file? > A. under /var/log/dmesg you should see your boot messages. > > 2. Is there a way to list all of the irq # and what they are assigned to? > A. `cat proc/interrupts` should give you a listing. > > 3. The last thing changed was installing a new network card to get on the > cable > modem. In windows it says that the irq for the nic is #5. I thought > irq #5 was > reserved for the printer? I am thinking that because the nic was the > last to be > installed that I will need to changed it's irq setting. How? > Nic NEC 3000 pci pnp > A. If you feel you need to change the IRQ setting for your parallel > port you need to change it in the BIOS. If you need to change the network > card you may need to download a setup utility to reconfigure the settings of > the card. But without knowing that card (NEC 3000? I couldn't find on the > net) in specific I can't tell you. > > Hope this helps, > --ben > (VxD on #orlug at irc.openprojects.net) > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From sandbox at pacifier.com Thu Apr 18 17:21:09 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:21:09 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] FreeS/WAN Info Message-ID: <3CBF0085.10908@pacifier.com> I believe Carla was asking about this a while back. Build a Flexible VPN with FreeS/WAN and Linux http://networking.earthweb.com/netos/article/0,,12083_1011451,00.html Ha! Just noticed this is Carla's article, so I guess she's seen it. Cheers, Kyle Accardi From rmetz at 1615.org Thu Apr 18 18:40:46 2002 From: rmetz at 1615.org (Rick Metz) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:40:46 -0600 Subject: [PLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <002401c1e708$8e601260$54000a0a@insummit.com> Did you ever find the console cable and box for your netfinity 4000r? I need one too and would like to know if you know where I can get one. Thanks HYPERLINK "mailto:rmetz at 1615.org"rmetz at 1615.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20020417170807.I1586@defiant.pacifier.com> References: <20020411234624.G14757@defiant.pacifier.com> <3CB6835E.9010608@pacifier.com> <3CB6F3ED.2080709@parkrose.k12.or.us> <20020415210255.V1598@defiant> <20020416092256.A9449@dalsemi.com> <20020417151624.C1586@defiant.pacifier.com> <20020417160405.B11430@dalsemi.com> <20020417170807.I1586@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <15551.17298.40216.606923@rigel.fdns.net> >>>>> "Bruce" == Bruce Kingsland writes: > OK. That's handy. Except that I'd need to keep a local copy on > my laptop in order to "only download newer files", and I was > hoping to do some sort of filename/date compare from a list. I'm coming into this a little late, but I can't help wondering why you don't want to use "up2date." If you just want to download the files, you can configure it that way and run it from the command line. Regards, Gregg ======================================================================== Absence in love is like water upon fire; a little quickens, but much extinguishes it. -- Hannah More From m at netpro.to Thu Apr 18 23:09:00 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Help with setting Function key values in console Message-ID: Hi, I'm trying to configure a Linux box so it can send the proper code to an application when the various Function keys are pressed. Here's how it should work... I login to the server and run the app. Pressing F5 should send: ^[[6~ I used loadkeys to set this up and if I press the F5 key while on the console, it prints this string. However, the app on the server behaves as if I'm actually typing in each of those characters individually, and that's not what I want. The box I'm testing this on is Mandrake 8.2. If anyone has any suggestions on how to make this work or where I might find more information on how to configure this, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, ~M From m at netpro.to Thu Apr 18 23:58:43 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Re: Help with setting Function key values in console In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I figured it out. I was sending the ^[ as two separate characters. I replaced my string with \033[6~ and it works. On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > Hi, > I'm trying to configure a Linux box so it can send the proper code to an > application when the various Function keys are pressed. Here's how it > should work... I login to the server and run the app. Pressing F5 should > send: ^[[6~ > > I used loadkeys to set this up and if I press the F5 key while on the > console, it prints this string. However, the app on the server behaves as > if I'm actually typing in each of those characters individually, and > that's not what I want. The box I'm testing this on is Mandrake 8.2. > > If anyone has any suggestions on how to make this work or where I might > find more information on how to configure this, I'd appreciate it. > Thanks, > ~M > > > From john at meissen.org Fri Apr 19 00:12:27 2002 From: john at meissen.org (john at meissen.org) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:12:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Logging IM traffic Message-ID: <20020419001227.D8664741B7@john.meissen.org> I recently found out that a close friend's 13-year old daughter was sexually molested by someone she met using one of the Instant Messenger clients available on the 'net. This has encouraged me to try to manage closer monitoring of my own daughters' IM activities. It's occurred to me that someone may have already implemented something to do this. Does anyone know if this is something Squid can accomplish, or if there is something else available that can log specific traffic for later review? john- From aschlemm at attbi.com Fri Apr 19 00:47:56 2002 From: aschlemm at attbi.com (Anthony Schlemmer) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:47:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] NFS timed out In-Reply-To: <20020417184617.L1586@defiant.pacifier.com> References: <20020417165513.H1586@defiant.pacifier.com> <20020417184617.L1586@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020419004756.KUXZ12144.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> I believe that there are vulnerabilities related to NFS that allow an intruder to gain access to a remote system. You might want to consider using secure NFS via SSH tunnel for added security. Tony On Wednesday 17 April 2002 18:46 pm, you wrote: > Rich Shepard's Log: StarDate 0417.1657: > > On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > > This is the same error I get on my systems at home, which implies > > > to me that I have got things correctly configured on the server > > > side. Any ideas on what's wrong on the client side? > > > > When I had RPC problems here it almost always was resolved by > > restarting the network on the uncooperative machine. > > Tried that, no help. Found out that if I shutdown the firewall on my > laptop, NFS works. > > Now to figger out the best balance of services and protections. > > -bk -- Anthony Schlemmer aschlemm at attbi.com From m at netpro.to Fri Apr 19 00:51:57 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Re: Help with setting Function key values in console In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually... It works on the command line to do this: # loadkeys keycode 63 = F55 string F55 = "\033[6~" But when I put these same lines in my us.kmap file, it just prints 6~. Does anyone know how to get the escape sequence to work properly from within the keymap file? Thanks, ~M On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > I figured it out. I was sending the ^[ as two separate characters. I > replaced my string with \033[6~ and it works. > > > On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > > > Hi, > > I'm trying to configure a Linux box so it can send the proper code to an > > application when the various Function keys are pressed. Here's how it > > should work... I login to the server and run the app. Pressing F5 should > > send: ^[[6~ > > > > I used loadkeys to set this up and if I press the F5 key while on the > > console, it prints this string. However, the app on the server behaves as > > if I'm actually typing in each of those characters individually, and > > that's not what I want. The box I'm testing this on is Mandrake 8.2. > > > > If anyone has any suggestions on how to make this work or where I might > > find more information on how to configure this, I'd appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > ~M > > > > > > > > From m at netpro.to Fri Apr 19 01:04:25 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Re: Help with setting Function key values in console In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Geez, you guys are slow today. I'm solving all my own problems before you even respond. ;-) I figured it out. In my us.kmap file, I have to create the ^[ as one character. So in vi, I go: Ctrl-v Ctrl-[ On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > Actually... It works on the command line to do this: > > # loadkeys > keycode 63 = F55 > string F55 = "\033[6~" > > But when I put these same lines in my us.kmap file, it just prints 6~. > Does anyone know how to get the escape sequence to work properly from > within the keymap file? > Thanks, > ~M > > > On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > > > I figured it out. I was sending the ^[ as two separate characters. I > > replaced my string with \033[6~ and it works. > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > I'm trying to configure a Linux box so it can send the proper code to an > > > application when the various Function keys are pressed. Here's how it > > > should work... I login to the server and run the app. Pressing F5 should > > > send: ^[[6~ > > > > > > I used loadkeys to set this up and if I press the F5 key while on the > > > console, it prints this string. However, the app on the server behaves as > > > if I'm actually typing in each of those characters individually, and > > > that's not what I want. The box I'm testing this on is Mandrake 8.2. > > > > > > If anyone has any suggestions on how to make this work or where I might > > > find more information on how to configure this, I'd appreciate it. > > > Thanks, > > > ~M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From bspears at easystreet.com Fri Apr 19 01:28:46 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:28:46 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Fresh Start Message-ID: <200204190123.g3J1NRZ04202@smtp.easystreet.com> I'd like to start a fresh version of Galeon. There must be someway that adduser or useradd (?) starts a new user with a fresh version of Galeon's init files. Anbody know how this works? From cmize at loadzone.org Fri Apr 19 01:30:30 2002 From: cmize at loadzone.org (Chuck Mize) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:30:30 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Fresh Start In-Reply-To: <200204190123.g3J1NRZ04202@smtp.easystreet.com> References: <200204190123.g3J1NRZ04202@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <200204181830.30859.cmize@loadzone.org> On Thursday 18 April 2002 18:28, Bill Spears wrote: > I'd like to start a fresh version of Galeon. There must be someway that > adduser or useradd (?) starts a new user with a fresh version of Galeon's > init files. Anbody know how this works? Can't you just delete the .galeon folder from your home directory? From pem at nellump.com Fri Apr 19 01:41:47 2002 From: pem at nellump.com (Paul Mullen) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:41:47 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Fresh Start In-Reply-To: <200204190123.g3J1NRZ04202@smtp.easystreet.com>; from bspears@easystreet.com on Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 06:28:46PM -0700 References: <200204190123.g3J1NRZ04202@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <20020418184147.A7112@nellump.com> On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 06:28:46PM -0700, Bill Spears wrote: > I'd like to start a fresh version of Galeon. There must be someway that > adduser or useradd (?) starts a new user with a fresh version of Galeon's > init files. Anbody know how this works? Galeon seems to store its info in the user's .galeon and .mozilla directories. Trashing both of these ought to give you a clean slate. rm -fr .galeon .mozilla Or better yet (if you want to be able to "undo" the clean slate): mv .galeon galeon-files mv .mozilla mozilla-files Or something similar. Paul From wcooley at nakedape.cc Fri Apr 19 01:51:27 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:51:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] kde/system locking up In-Reply-To: ; from Ben.Mazhary-Clark@nike.com on Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 09:16:31AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020418185126.C25965@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Mazhary-Clark, Ben on Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 09:16:31AM PDT > Well here I go, responding to my own post. With #1 below that was for a > debian system only. In RedHat you can look under /var/log/boot.log or > /var/log/messages (or take Russell Evans suggestion that just popped in!) Actually the Red Hat init scripts save off dmesg in /var/log/dmesg too. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pluglist at bratgrrl.com Fri Apr 19 02:07:03 2002 From: pluglist at bratgrrl.com (Carla Schroder) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:07:03 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] FreeS/WAN Info In-Reply-To: <3CBF0085.10908@pacifier.com> References: <3CBF0085.10908@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <200204190204.g3J242W29506@smtp.easystreet.com> On Thursday 18 April 2002 10:21 am, you wrote: > I believe Carla was asking about this a while back. > > Build a Flexible VPN with FreeS/WAN and Linux > http://networking.earthweb.com/netos/article/0,,12083_1011451,00.html > > Ha! Just noticed this is Carla's article, so I guess she's seen it. > > > Cheers, > Kyle Accardi > Yep, that Carla chick's pretty smart. My fave author. FreeS/WAN is most impressive. I've been looking at a lot of different free VPN tools, it tops my list. Of course the biggest headache is connecting Windows and Mac clients. Them two just don't like to play with the other kids. I saw an interesting free project somewheres using SSH and PGP to set up a VPN. Free is more attractive than usual, as pricing on commercial products tends towards sky-high. For example, SuSE has a VPN/firewall edition that lists around $1100. For that kind of money it better rub my feet and wash the dishes. From pluglist at bratgrrl.com Fri Apr 19 02:12:10 2002 From: pluglist at bratgrrl.com (Carla Schroder) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:12:10 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: Help with setting Function key values in console In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200204190209.g3J299W02765@smtp.easystreet.com> On Thursday 18 April 2002 06:04 pm, you wrote: > Geez, you guys are slow today. I'm solving all my own problems before you > even respond. ;-) > It's part of the community plan to empower you and build your self-esteem. Is it working? Thanks for posting this, it helped me with a related problem. Carla From due.gatti at gmx.net Thu Apr 18 02:14:55 2002 From: due.gatti at gmx.net (Greg) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:14:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Logging IM traffic In-Reply-To: <20020419001227.D8664741B7@john.meissen.org> References: <20020419001227.D8664741B7@john.meissen.org> Message-ID: <20020417191455.3582f69d.due.gatti@gmx.net> You're looking for specific IPs taht come across and such (something more robust than netstat)? Wish I could help there, but gaim has the option to save all IM conversations, too - you'd at least know who with and what about your daughter was chatting on the 'net. My heart goes out to your friend and their daughter. Ciao, Greg On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:12:27 -0700 john at meissen.org wrote: > > > I recently found out that a close friend's 13-year old daughter was > sexually molested by someone she met using one of the Instant Messenger > clients available on the 'net. This has encouraged me to try to > manage closer monitoring of my own daughters' IM activities. It's > occurred to me that someone may have already implemented something to > do this. > > Does anyone know if this is something Squid can accomplish, or if > there is something else available that can log specific traffic > for later review? > > john- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From dave at pakled.mmcc.cx Fri Apr 19 04:34:01 2002 From: dave at pakled.mmcc.cx (Dave) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:34:01 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] FreeS/WAN Info In-Reply-To: <200204190204.g3J242W29506@smtp.easystreet.com> References: <3CBF0085.10908@pacifier.com> <200204190204.g3J242W29506@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1019190841.3cbf9e39e8c75@192.168.1.15> Quoting Carla Schroder : > On Thursday 18 April 2002 10:21 am, you wrote: > > I believe Carla was asking about this a while back. > > > > Build a Flexible VPN with FreeS/WAN and Linux > > http://networking.earthweb.com/netos/article/0,,12083_1011451,00.html > > > > Ha! Just noticed this is Carla's article, so I guess she's seen it. > Yep, that Carla chick's pretty smart. My fave author. > > FreeS/WAN is most impressive. I've been looking at a lot of different free > VPN tools, it tops my list. Of course the biggest headache is connecting > Windows and Mac clients. Them two just don't like to play with the other > kids. > > I saw an interesting free project somewheres using SSH and PGP to set up a > VPN. Free is more attractive than usual, as pricing on commercial products > tends towards sky-high. For example, SuSE has a VPN/firewall edition that > lists around $1100. For that kind of money it better rub my feet and wash > the dishes. On a side- and somewhat late-note to the discussion, I once got a VPN working briefly using SSH and PPPd. There was pinging and a talk session and generaly complaints about speed and we resolved to instead, just not. But it's not difficult! I've been meaning to fiddle with frees/wan -- I'd be interested in any cavets or success stories. :) -Dave From sean_whitney at bigfoot.com Fri Apr 19 05:02:33 2002 From: sean_whitney at bigfoot.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:02:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] FreeS/WAN Info In-Reply-To: <1019190841.3cbf9e39e8c75@192.168.1.15> References: <3CBF0085.10908@pacifier.com> <200204190204.g3J242W29506@smtp.easystreet.com> <1019190841.3cbf9e39e8c75@192.168.1.15> Message-ID: <20020419050234.99A04C511@max.seansdomain.org> My employer was in the middle of Chapter 7 and without funds, but needed connectivity between offices in Vancouver, Honolulu and San Luis Obispo after they sold off everything else to another company. I worked with two people who did a basic debian install on two boxes in Honolulu and SLO. I then sshed into the remote boxes and created a freeswan vpn between all the sites. I set up all the specifics over the existing corporate wan. After the company was sold off they fired up the Freeswan boxes. The first night we had some problems. Pings worked fine but windows-goo domain syncing was failing. After some careful looking and some google searches I discovered that the ethernet MTU size had to be 1493 to accommodate the vpn infrastructure. After that it justed worked. They never called or reported any problems. The other caveat to this is that all the machines where 133Mhz to 200Mhz, no big CPUs were required. Sean On Thursday 18 April 2002 21:34, you hammered at the keyboard: > Quoting Carla Schroder : > > On Thursday 18 April 2002 10:21 am, you wrote: > > > I believe Carla was asking about this a while back. > > > > > > Build a Flexible VPN with FreeS/WAN and Linux > > > http://networking.earthweb.com/netos/article/0,,12083_1011451,00.html > > > > > > Ha! Just noticed this is Carla's article, so I guess she's seen it. > > > > Yep, that Carla chick's pretty smart. My fave author. > > > > FreeS/WAN is most impressive. I've been looking at a lot of different > > free VPN tools, it tops my list. Of course the biggest headache is > > connecting Windows and Mac clients. Them two just don't like to play with > > the other kids. > > > > I saw an interesting free project somewheres using SSH and PGP to set up > > a VPN. Free is more attractive than usual, as pricing on commercial > > products tends towards sky-high. For example, SuSE has a VPN/firewall > > edition that lists around $1100. For that kind of money it better rub my > > feet and wash the dishes. > > On a side- and somewhat late-note to the discussion, I once got a VPN > working briefly using SSH and PPPd. There was pinging and a talk session > and generaly complaints about speed and we resolved to instead, just not. > > But it's not difficult! I've been meaning to fiddle with frees/wan -- I'd > be interested in any cavets or success stories. :) > > -Dave > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- This here's the wattle, The emblem of our land. You can stick it in a bottle; You can hold it in your hand. Amen! -- Monty Python From wcooley at nakedape.cc Fri Apr 19 05:12:22 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:12:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] FreeS/WAN Info In-Reply-To: <200204190204.g3J242W29506@smtp.easystreet.com>; from pluglist@bratgrrl.com on Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 07:07:03PM -0700 References: <3CBF0085.10908@pacifier.com> <200204190204.g3J242W29506@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <20020418221222.E25965@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Carla Schroder on Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 07:07:03PM PDT > FreeS/WAN is most impressive. I've been looking at a lot of different > free VPN tools, it tops my list. Of course the biggest headache is > connecting Windows and Mac clients. Them two just don't like to play > with the other kids. Getting it installed can be a bit of a headache. Unless things have changed since I looked at it, you've got to do lots of funny kernel compile stuff. I read the 'list in brief' posting every week or two, and there seems to be some talk of (finally) making it sufficiently modular to be compiled external to the kernel, which would be very handy. Otherwise, it's a bit of a mess to figure out all the left hand and right hand stuff, but it's not too bad. > I saw an interesting free project somewheres using SSH and PGP to set > up a VPN. Free is more attractive than usual, as pricing on commercial > products tends towards sky-high. For example, SuSE has a VPN/firewall > edition that lists around $1100. For that kind of money it better > rub my feet and wash the dishes. I assume you mean SSH and PPP. Yeah, it's quite easy in fact; if you have some clues you can get one up and going in about 15 minutes. You don't really need SuSE's special distribution; it's not too terribly difficult to roll-your-own, but not as easy as I'd like. OTOH, if you've like a very easy to set up and not very expensive solution, the SnapGear products I sell are pretty nice and Linux+FreeS/WAN based. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hapibeli at save-net.com Thu Apr 18 17:20:17 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:20:17 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Huh? Message-ID: <20020419051752.B4C382AAC8@server5.safepages.com> Would someone please tell me what I'm being told by the following?; ATAPI device hdd: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Invalid command operation code -- (asc=0x20, ascq=0x00) The failed "Get Configuration" packet command was: "46 02 00 1e 00 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 " hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 ATAPI device hdd: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Invalid command operation code -- (asc=0x20, ascq=0x00) The failed "Read Table of Contents" packet command was: "43 00 05 00 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 " hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 ATAPI device hdd: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Invalid command operation code -- (asc=0x20, ascq=0x00) The failed "Get Configuration" packet command was: "46 02 00 1e 00 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 " hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 ATAPI device hdd: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Invalid command operation code -- (asc=0x20, ascq=0x00) The failed "Read Table of Contents" packet command was: "43 00 05 00 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 " hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 ATAPI device hdd: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Invalid command operation code -- (asc=0x20, ascq=0x00) The failed "Get Configuration" packet command was: "46 02 00 1e 00 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 " hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 ATAPI device hdd: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Invalid command operation code -- (asc=0x20, ascq=0x00) The failed "Read Table of Contents" packet command was: "43 00 05 00 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 " lines 288-331/331 (END) Thanks, Dirk From sean_whitney at bigfoot.com Fri Apr 19 05:30:37 2002 From: sean_whitney at bigfoot.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:30:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Huh? In-Reply-To: <20020419051752.B4C382AAC8@server5.safepages.com> References: <20020419051752.B4C382AAC8@server5.safepages.com> Message-ID: <20020419053039.69AF9C511@max.seansdomain.org> This make me think your hd is dying. Copy everything you want/can off to something else and plan on replacing it. Sean On Thursday 18 April 2002 10:20, you hammered at the keyboard: > Would someone please tell me what I'm being told by the following?; > > ATAPI device hdd: > Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) > Invalid command operation code -- (asc=0x20, ascq=0x00) > The failed "Get Configuration" packet command was: > "46 02 00 1e 00 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 " > hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 > ATAPI device hdd: > Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) > Invalid command operation code -- (asc=0x20, ascq=0x00) > The failed "Read Table of Contents" packet command was: > "43 00 05 00 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 " > hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 > ATAPI device hdd: > Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) > Invalid command operation code -- (asc=0x20, ascq=0x00) > The failed "Get Configuration" packet command was: > "46 02 00 1e 00 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 " > hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 > ATAPI device hdd: > Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) > Invalid command operation code -- (asc=0x20, ascq=0x00) > The failed "Read Table of Contents" packet command was: > "43 00 05 00 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 " > hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 > ATAPI device hdd: > Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) > Invalid command operation code -- (asc=0x20, ascq=0x00) > The failed "Get Configuration" packet command was: > "46 02 00 1e 00 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 " > hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 > ATAPI device hdd: > Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) > Invalid command operation code -- (asc=0x20, ascq=0x00) > The failed "Read Table of Contents" packet command was: > "43 00 05 00 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 " > lines 288-331/331 (END) > > Thanks, > Dirk > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- This here's the wattle, The emblem of our land. You can stick it in a bottle; You can hold it in your hand. Amen! -- Monty Python From carla at bratgrrl.com Fri Apr 19 06:48:35 2002 From: carla at bratgrrl.com (Carla Schroder) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:48:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] FreeS/WAN Info In-Reply-To: <20020418221222.E25965@rheingold.nakedape.priv> References: <3CBF0085.10908@pacifier.com> <200204190204.g3J242W29506@smtp.easystreet.com> <20020418221222.E25965@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <200204190645.g3J6jVW10629@smtp.easystreet.com> On Thursday 18 April 2002 10:12 pm, you wrote: > Also Sprach Carla Schroder on Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at > 07:07:03PM PDT > > > FreeS/WAN is most impressive. I've been looking at a lot of different > > free VPN tools, it tops my list. Of course the biggest headache is > > connecting Windows and Mac clients. Them two just don't like to play > > with the other kids. > > Getting it installed can be a bit of a headache. Unless things > have changed since I looked at it, you've got to do lots of funny > kernel compile stuff. .... It's not so bad, no worse than any installation from source. There's also an RPM, but it's a few versions behind the sources. > > I saw an interesting free project somewheres using SSH and PGP to set > > up a VPN. Free is more attractive than usual, as pricing on commercial > > products tends towards sky-high. For example, SuSE has a VPN/firewall > > edition that lists around $1100. For that kind of money it better > > rub my feet and wash the dishes. > > I assume you mean SSH and PPP. Yep, you are correct. It's not as inventive as I thought, there's even a howto for it. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/ppp-ssh/ > Yeah, it's quite easy in fact; > if you have some clues you can get one up and going in about > 15 minutes. You don't really need SuSE's special distribution; > it's not too terribly difficult to roll-your-own, but not as easy > as I'd like. OTOH, if you've like a very easy to set up and not > very expensive solution, the SnapGear products I sell are pretty > nice and Linux+FreeS/WAN based. > > Wil From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Apr 19 13:31:52 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 06:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] On NewsForge, Anti-Linux ad promoting Windows XP on HP computers not quite what it seemed (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- In case you missed that. http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/04/18/2126233.shtml?tid=23 -- Olivier http://www.xfce.org From mhewan1 at attbi.com Fri Apr 19 15:05:36 2002 From: mhewan1 at attbi.com (Michael Ewan) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] NFS timed out In-Reply-To: <20020419004756.KUXZ12144.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Anthony Schlemmer wrote: > I believe that there are vulnerabilities related to NFS that allow an > intruder to gain access to a remote system. You might want to consider > using secure NFS via SSH tunnel for added security. > > Tony > > On Wednesday 17 April 2002 18:46 pm, you wrote: > > Rich Shepard's Log: StarDate 0417.1657: > > > On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > > > This is the same error I get on my systems at home, which implies > > > > to me that I have got things correctly configured on the server > > > > side. Any ideas on what's wrong on the client side? > > > > > > When I had RPC problems here it almost always was resolved by > > > restarting the network on the uncooperative machine. > > > > Tried that, no help. Found out that if I shutdown the firewall on my > > laptop, NFS works. > > > > Now to figger out the best balance of services and protections. > > Try turning the firewall back on then opening UDP/2049 and see if that works. ME From mhewan1 at attbi.com Fri Apr 19 15:12:05 2002 From: mhewan1 at attbi.com (Michael Ewan) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Huh? In-Reply-To: <20020419053039.69AF9C511@max.seansdomain.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Sean Whitney wrote: Isn't the ATAPI hdd device the ide to scsi translator for the CDROM? ME > This make me think your hd is dying. Copy everything you want/can off to > something else and plan on replacing it. > > > Sean > > On Thursday 18 April 2002 10:20, you hammered at the keyboard: > > Would someone please tell me what I'm being told by the following?; > > > > ATAPI device hdd: > > Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) > > Invalid command operation code -- (asc=0x20, ascq=0x00) > > The failed "Get Configuration" packet command was: > > "46 02 00 1e 00 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 " > > hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > > hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 > > > > Thanks, > > Dirk > > From rseymour at spamcop.net Fri Apr 19 14:15:41 2002 From: rseymour at spamcop.net (Richard F Seymour) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:15:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Huh? References: Message-ID: <3CC0268D.1060001@spamcop.net> It also may be your cable is just a little loose. Or that you have a bad cable, but yest, the CD drive may need replacement. >>This make me think your hd is dying. Copy everything you want/can off to >>something else and plan on replacing it. >> >> >>Sean >> >>On Thursday 18 April 2002 10:20, you hammered at the keyboard: >> >>>Would someone please tell me what I'm being told by the following?; >>> >>>ATAPI device hdd: >>> Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) >>> Invalid command operation code -- (asc=0x20, ascq=0x00) >>> The failed "Get Configuration" packet command was: >>> "46 02 00 1e 00 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 " >>>hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } >>>hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 -- Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Richard Seymour, the Man Behind the Curtain CHEEP GEEKS Anarchy Software FREE GEEK From tk-plug at perljam.net Fri Apr 19 14:19:49 2002 From: tk-plug at perljam.net (TK) Date: 19 Apr 2002 07:19:49 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Advocacy (was: Re: NewsForge Anti-Linux ad...) Message-ID: <1019225989.28469.19.camel@Dustpuppy> Interesting. I can see both sides of the discussion that followed that story. On a semi-related note, I found the following article on the same site - it discusses the problem of how to advocate Linux use to "Average Joes" without going way over their heads or sounding condescending: http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/04/18/0146221.shtml?tid=23 I wonder if such an approach might work in PDX? On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 06:31, Rich Shepard wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > In case you missed that. > > http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/04/18/2126233.shtml?tid=23 > From ziggy at anodizing.com Fri Apr 19 14:56:45 2002 From: ziggy at anodizing.com (Abraham Zwygart) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:56:45 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] kde/system locking up References: <20020418185126.C25965@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <3CC0302D.A4152949@anodizing.com> Hi all, Looked at `cat /proc/interrupts` and found that my sound blaster 16 was on the the same Irq # as the printer Irq #7. Also checked the bios and found that I had reserved Irq 11 for a old video card that was not PnP (card has been replaced with a new video card some time ago). As far as I can tell there is no Irq # conflicts and they are assigned correctly. The network card 3com nc3000 (I checked the board) moved its self from Irq #5 to Irq #10 on bootup. After this was done the computer did not lockup once. Still can not get the printer working. I found no error message in the dmesg log file. Thanks for all your help Abraham Z. - +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ | SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator | 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy at anodizing.com | Portland, OR 97211 | Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 | | The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine | and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hapibeli at save-net.com Fri Apr 19 03:15:45 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:15:45 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Huh? In-Reply-To: <3CC0268D.1060001@spamcop.net> References: <3CC0268D.1060001@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20020419151323.D53A55EF7@server1.safepages.com> On Friday 19 April 2002 07:15 am, you wrote: > It also may be your cable is just a little loose. Or that you have a bad > cable, but yest, the CD drive may need replacement. > > >>This make me think your hd is dying. Copy everything you want/can off to > >>something else and plan on replacing it. > >> > >> > >>Sean > >> Thaqnks all. It is the 2nd cdrom. I'll check the cable. Dirk From llywrch at agora.rdrop.com Fri Apr 19 15:49:10 2002 From: llywrch at agora.rdrop.com (Geoff Burling) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Microsoft Does It Again Message-ID: Occasionally, I get an email from CNET about the new articles on their website, & usually I delete them after a brief glance. But the latest one I received piqued my curiousity: ``Windows XP Nightmares -- http://home.cnet.com/software/0-6688749-8-9696202-1.html" So I had a quick read. The article mentions three big complaints, the first being as follows: ``The nightmare >From time to time, when I open an Excel spreadsheet, my XP machine reboots. There's no warning. The system just hangs for a couple of seconds, then the PC starts up as if I had just switched it on or hit the reset button. Do ghosts live in this machine, or is Microsoft trying to lower the country's productivity?" And what is the cause? According to CNET, ``Whenever the OS encounters a Stop Error--the kind that, in earlier editions of Windows, resulted in the dreaded blue screen of death--the system automatically reboots." So in other words, since you're going to need to reboot anyway, Windows does it for you. And the article explains how do disable this in order to see the error message. Sigh. Since all MS appears capable of doing with this chronic problem is to change it's name every few years (once upon a time Windows users griped about GPFs), why can't they improve the error messages? Add some diagnostic information so that budding techies have a chance in hell of figuring this out? I know, I know, it'd probably give away some MS intellectual property if they offerd useful error messages. Geoff From codeyeti at yahoo.com Fri Apr 19 15:52:02 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:52:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Microsoft Does It Again References: Message-ID: <3CC03D45.D7FBEB5E@yahoo.com> Look at the "bright side" of things.... no more BSOD's, right? ;^) Geoff Burling wrote: > And what is the cause? According to CNET, ``Whenever the OS encounters a > Stop Error--the kind that, in earlier editions of Windows, resulted in the > dreaded blue screen of death--the system automatically reboots." So in > other words, since you're going to need to reboot anyway, Windows does it > for you. And the article explains how do disable this in order to see > the error message. > -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas Fucking Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From russj at dimstar.net Fri Apr 19 16:24:55 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:24:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Huh? In-Reply-To: <20020419051752.B4C382AAC8@server5.safepages.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419092326.022b6d60@localhost> That's a seek error. In Windows, you only hear disk knocking. Might be resolved by nuking and paving (formatting and reinstalling), but it's likely that the drive is dying. At 10:20 AM 4/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Would someone please tell me what I'm being told by the following?; >hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net "Nietzsche is dead" - God From guy1656 at ados.com Fri Apr 19 16:39:44 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:39:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OT - Re: Microsoft Does It Again - BSODs In-Reply-To: <3CC03D45.D7FBEB5E@yahoo.com> References: <3CC03D45.D7FBEB5E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020419162909.0E48834D0A@ados.com> Reply regarding Re: [PLUG] Microsoft Does It Again from Michael Smith: # Look at the "bright side" of things.... no more BSOD's, right? ;^) # 1) First, thanx to ALL of you on this list for encouraging mme to persevere with Linuz as a non-technical desktop user - who'd a thunk it, right? 2) One of my favorite Windows error boxes (now becoming a fading memory, thanx again to all yooze guys) was a BLANK GREY BOX with two buttons: 'OK' and 'Cancel.' Neat, eh? 3) I also heard that there is a registry hack by which you can customize your own BSOD - you can select the DOS text color and background color, and even select blinking texts. So not only can you have an RSOD, FSOD, GSOD (for red, fuschia, green, etc.) but you could also blink in pairs of TACKY colors, e.g: a "purple text over lime green alternating with beige text on pink"-SOD. 4) A friend of mine also got his W2K computer to play a .wav file upon BSOD. GLL From hapibeli at save-net.com Fri Apr 19 05:00:07 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:00:07 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Errors Message-ID: <20020419165739.C064D136135@server12.safepages.com> My Mandrake 8.2 offers me this when I #shutdown -r now; umounting NFS filesystems: Cannot MOUNTPROG RPC: Program not registered umount2: Device or resource busy umount: /net device is busy Then the system hangs and won't complete shutdown. Any advice other than why would you shutdown? Dirk From aschlemm at attbi.com Fri Apr 19 17:05:42 2002 From: aschlemm at attbi.com (Anthony Schlemmer) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:05:42 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Microsoft Does It Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020419170543.WCKS1901.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@there> Sadly I see this behavior on my wife's new XP box with IE 5.5. I was checking for the latest updates for XP and then boom...The next thing I know the system was rebooting. Once XP recovered a little error dialog appears saying that Windows had a serious problem and allows some sort of error report to be sent to Microsoft. So now Microsoft can now claim no more BSOD with XP. My wife's system has a removable IDE hard drive setup and we also have Win2K running on the same hardware. I find Win2K to be far more stable than XP professional. I did manage a couple of BSOD with Win2K when I was first installing it but since I upgraded the ATI video drivers Win2K has been quite stable. For our firewalling and printer/file sharing Linux and Samba have been great for us. We've never have had any problems with any of our Linux boxes crashing and we have run them 24/7 since we first setup our network. Tony On Friday 19 April 2002 08:49 am, you wrote: > Occasionally, I get an email from CNET about the new articles on > their website, & usually I delete them after a brief glance. But the > latest one I received piqued my curiousity: > > ``Windows XP Nightmares -- > http://home.cnet.com/software/0-6688749-8-9696202-1.html" > > So I had a quick read. The article mentions three big complaints, the > first being as follows: > > ``The nightmare > From time to time, when I open an Excel spreadsheet, my XP machine > reboots. There's no warning. The system just hangs for a couple of > seconds, then the PC starts up as if I had just switched it on or hit > the reset button. Do ghosts live in this machine, or is Microsoft > trying to lower the country's productivity?" > > And what is the cause? According to CNET, ``Whenever the OS > encounters a Stop Error--the kind that, in earlier editions of > Windows, resulted in the dreaded blue screen of death--the system > automatically reboots." So in other words, since you're going to need > to reboot anyway, Windows does it for you. And the article explains > how do disable this in order to see the error message. > > Sigh. Since all MS appears capable of doing with this chronic problem > is to change it's name every few years (once upon a time Windows > users griped about GPFs), why can't they improve the error messages? > Add some diagnostic information so that budding techies have a chance > in hell of figuring this out? > > I know, I know, it'd probably give away some MS intellectual property > if they offerd useful error messages. > > Geoff > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Anthony Schlemmer aschlemm at attbi.com From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Apr 19 17:07:26 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Errors In-Reply-To: <20020419165739.C064D136135@server12.safepages.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Dirk & Karen wrote: > My Mandrake 8.2 offers me this when I #shutdown -r now; > > umounting NFS filesystems: Cannot MOUNTPROG RPC: Program not registered > umount2: Device or resource busy > umount: /net device is busy > > Then the system hangs and won't complete shutdown. Do you have a virtual terminal open where the pwd is on an nfs-mounted directory? That would cause the "device or resource busy" message. Alternatively, if another host is accessing some file on the machine you're trying to shut down it may be waiting for the other box to release the link. Rich From heinlein at attbi.com Fri Apr 19 17:10:49 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Errors In-Reply-To: <20020419165739.C064D136135@server12.safepages.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Dirk & Karen wrote: > My Mandrake 8.2 offers me this when I #shutdown -r now; > > umounting NFS filesystems: Cannot MOUNTPROG RPC: Program not registered > umount2: Device or resource busy > umount: /net device is busy > > Then the system hangs and won't complete shutdown. Any advice other > than why would you shutdown? Dirk Before rebooting, see if anything has open files on your /net partition: lsof /net | cut -d' ' -f1 | sort -u My hunch is that there's a process with an open file, directory, or library somewhere on /net that hasn't been shutdown before your system tries to umount /net. --Paul Heinlein From aschlemm at attbi.com Fri Apr 19 17:19:27 2002 From: aschlemm at attbi.com (Anthony Schlemmer) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:19:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Microsoft Does It Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020419171927.EIEV1143.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@there> I always thought that "XP" was short for: "eXtra Pathetic"... Tony On Friday 19 April 2002 10:10 am, you wrote: > On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Anthony Schlemmer wrote: > > Sadly I see this behavior on my wife's new XP box with IE 5.5. > > Tony, > > That's why Microsoft named their newest productivity killer 'eXtra > Profit'. > > Rich -- Anthony Schlemmer aschlemm at attbi.com >>>>This machine was last rebooted: 4 days 20:23 hours ago<< From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Fri Apr 19 17:37:28 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:37:28 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Microsoft Does It Again Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA7C2@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Tony spoke thusly: >I always thought that "XP" was short for: "eXtra Pathetic"... I think it is "extra profits". From jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com Fri Apr 19 17:38:09 2002 From: jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com (Jon Jacob) Date: 19 Apr 2002 10:38:09 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Multiple Zone DNS Message-ID: <1019237890.19525.269.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Can anyone point me to a tutorial, provide examples, or advice about how to set up multiple zones under a DNS. Currently, I have a DNS for my home domain, but I want to add another domain name to my IP address. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From zot at whiteknighthackers.com Fri Apr 19 17:53:35 2002 From: zot at whiteknighthackers.com (Zot O'Connor) Date: 19 Apr 2002 10:53:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] [Fwd: (uswisp) Wanna Subsidize the ILECs?] Message-ID: <1019238815.3566.964.camel@kat.zotnet.com> This requires some consumer action. While not directly Linux related, this may effect the free nets and other wireless projects that many people are involved in.... -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Andy Oram Subject: (uswisp) Wanna Subsidize the ILECs? Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Size: 1552 URL: From bhoran at hexdev.com Fri Apr 19 18:11:29 2002 From: bhoran at hexdev.com (Brian Horan) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:11:29 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] Multiple Zone DNS In-Reply-To: <1019237890.19525.269.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <1019237890.19525.269.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html On Friday 19 April 2002 01:38 pm, you wrote: > Can anyone point me to a tutorial, provide examples, or advice about how > to set up multiple zones under a DNS. > > Currently, I have a DNS for my home domain, but I want to add another > domain name to my IP address. > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Fri Apr 19 18:11:13 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:11:13 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Multiple Zone DNS Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA7C5@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> On Friday 19 April 2002 01:38 pm, you wrote: > Can anyone point me to a tutorial, provide examples, or advice about how > to set up multiple zones under a DNS. > > Currently, I have a DNS for my home domain, but I want to add another > domain name to my IP address. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this, but I had, for a while, one machine with one IP running both an email server and a web server. I was able to figure this out by looking at the configure files for apache and postfix. In Apache, you setup virtual domains. It wasn't very hard. I had one directory that was the document root for one domain and another for the other. In postfix, I set it to receive mail for both domains. I then went to my domain name service provider (register.com) and set the IP's for both domains to the same IP. Is that what you are asking? From creelan at engr.orst.edu Fri Apr 19 18:28:58 2002 From: creelan at engr.orst.edu (Tyler F. Creelan) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Galeon package removed, now unavailable? Message-ID: After upgrading using apt, my installed galeon package was removed and now (according to apt) there are no versions of it available. Any ideas what happened? Specifically: I ran 'apt-get dist-upgrade', and during the upgrade process the galeon package was removed, for no reason from what I could see. Now I have no galeon, and when I run 'apt-get install galeon', I get this output: |Package galeon has no available version, but exists in the database. |This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and |never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents |of sources.list |E: Package galeon has no installation candidate 'apt-cache search galeon' yields only the following package: |wprint - Print any charset from web browsers and HtmlDoc My 'sources.list' has not been changed at all and it seems unlikely the package maintainers would "obsolete" galeon, so I'm baffled why it would be removed. I also did a search at: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages I found galeon wasn't listed among the 'testing' packages, only among the unstable ones. I can't remember whether or not my old installation was unstable or testing, however I do know it was achieved with the same sources.list file. So what I'd like to know is: 1) Why did 'apt-get dist-upgrade' remove my galeon package? 2) Why is this package no longer available using the same sources.list file? 3) How do I reinstall and get back the bookmarks I collected during the old installation? Any ideas would be appreciated. Also, my sources.list (format not preserved) is appended below. Thanks! Tyler /etc/apt/sources.list -------------------------- #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 _Woody_ - fsn.hu's i386 Binary-1 (20011109)]/ u nstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free non-free deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-f ree deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free deb http://debian.parsed.net unstable main deb-src http://debian.parsed.net unstable main # java from blackdown.org (Sun Java 2) deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody non-free From guy1656 at ados.com Fri Apr 19 18:33:34 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:33:34 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: Re: OT: - BSOD .wav Message-ID: <20020419182258.B5EC4343D0@ados.com> # > 4) A friend of mine also got his W2K computer to # > play a .wav file upon BSOD. # # A funeral dirge? # # Rich Actually, it seems it had better be rather short - you don't have much time before Win's ability to play a sound -DIES- along with the rest of the collapsing universe. He used a short phrase from a -very- -strange- Japanese cartoon character: "Sonomama Shi-NE nyo!" from 'DiGi Carat.' which means something like "DIE right where you stand, you #$%#@!!!" (a better translation would be welcome.) If anyone wants, I might be able to contact him and get the .wav file, which I will send off-list. Almost on-topic, Linux folx can use the .wav to their delight/torment. GLL ------------------------------------------------------- From mph at puddingbowl.org Fri Apr 19 19:30:37 2002 From: mph at puddingbowl.org (Michael Hall) Date: 19 Apr 2002 12:30:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Galeon package removed, now unavailable? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1019244638.11228.6.camel@salusa> Galeon is one of the packages dropped from Woody/testing for the upcoming release. It was mentioned in a recent Debian Weekly News and, the last I know, it was a candidate for being dropped due to build problems on IA64. It's possible to use apt 'pinning' to get it back, but you'll be downloading from Sid/unstable. Here's some info on pinning and how to use it to get selected apps from unstable. I used this to get Galeon a week or so ago. Keep in mind that this runs the risk of sucking in other dependencies from unstable with the inherent risks that entails: http://www.puddingbowl.org/index.php?GetUnstableApps -mph On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 11:28, Tyler F. Creelan wrote: > After upgrading using apt, my installed galeon package was removed and > now (according to apt) there are no versions of it available. Any ideas what > happened? > > Specifically: > > I ran 'apt-get dist-upgrade', and during the upgrade process the galeon > package was removed, for no reason from what I could see. Now I have no > galeon, and when I run 'apt-get install galeon', I get this output: > > |Package galeon has no available version, but exists in the database. > |This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and > |never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents > |of sources.list > |E: Package galeon has no installation candidate > > 'apt-cache search galeon' yields only the following package: > |wprint - Print any charset from web browsers and HtmlDoc > > My 'sources.list' has not been changed at all and it seems unlikely the > package maintainers would "obsolete" galeon, so I'm baffled why it would > be removed. I also did a search at: > > http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages > > I found galeon wasn't listed among the 'testing' packages, only among the > unstable ones. I can't remember whether or not my old installation > was unstable or testing, however I do know it was achieved with the > same sources.list file. > > So what I'd like to know is: > > 1) Why did 'apt-get dist-upgrade' remove my galeon package? > > 2) Why is this package no longer available using the same sources.list > file? > > 3) How do I reinstall and get back the bookmarks I collected during the > old installation? > > Any ideas would be appreciated. Also, my sources.list (format > not preserved) is appended below. > > Thanks! > > Tyler > > > /etc/apt/sources.list > -------------------------- > #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 _Woody_ - fsn.hu's i386 Binary-1 > (20011109)]/ u > nstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free non-free > > deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib > deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib > non-free > deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib > non-f > ree > deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free > deb http://debian.parsed.net unstable main > deb-src http://debian.parsed.net unstable main > # java from blackdown.org (Sun Java 2) > deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody non-free > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From brentwashburne at attbi.com Fri Apr 19 19:27:34 2002 From: brentwashburne at attbi.com (Brent Washburne) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:27:34 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] [OT] Sony Vaio port replicator Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020419122618.03042040@mail.attbi.com> Does anyone know where I can get a discontinued Sony product? It's a port replicator for a notebook computer, part number PCGA-PRF1A. TIA, ~Brent From russj at dimstar.net Fri Apr 19 19:47:22 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:47:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] [OT] Sony Vaio port replicator In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020419122618.03042040@mail.attbi.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419124710.00bd3d38@localhost> There's one on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2016331299 At 12:27 PM 4/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone know where I can get a discontinued Sony product? It's a port >replicator for a notebook computer, part number PCGA-PRF1A. TIA, > ~Brent > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net "Nietzsche is dead" - God From fixin at peak.org Fri Apr 19 19:49:09 2002 From: fixin at peak.org (Eric House) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household Message-ID: We're about to buy a digital camera, and will be using it mostly with machines running Linux (Debian woody and potato). This is our first digital camera. Are there any particular things to watch out for in picking one out (e.g. "memory stick requires windoze")? Any models/makers y'all recommend or recommend against? Thanks, --Eric House ****************************************************************************** * From the desktop of: Eric House, fixin at peak.org * * Crosswords 4.0 for PalmOS is out!: * ****************************************************************************** From jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com Fri Apr 19 19:59:29 2002 From: jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com (Jon Jacob) Date: 19 Apr 2002 12:59:29 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Multiple Zone DNS In-Reply-To: References: <1019237890.19525.269.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <1019246370.13346.273.camel@lana.manymoons.net> I have read the howto, but maybe I am not being clear. I have my domain, manymoons.net, and the name server resolves my IP to that name. I have just registered a new domain, and I want the same nameserver to resolve the new domain name to the same IP as manymoons.net The howto does not give a clue on how to do this as far as I can tell. On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 11:11, Brian Horan wrote: > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html > > On Friday 19 April 2002 01:38 pm, you wrote: > > Can anyone point me to a tutorial, provide examples, or advice about how > > to set up multiple zones under a DNS. > > > > Currently, I have a DNS for my home domain, but I want to add another > > domain name to my IP address. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- > Brian Horan > bhoran at hexdev.com > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From russj at dimstar.net Fri Apr 19 20:20:24 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:20:24 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Multiple Zone DNS In-Reply-To: <1019246370.13346.273.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <1019237890.19525.269.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419131851.00bb3d40@localhost> Add the stanza for the second domain to /etc/named.conf, and the zone file to /var/named/ (if that's where you store them). As long as the domain record points to your DNS, it works. At 12:59 PM 4/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I have my domain, manymoons.net, and the name server resolves my IP to >that name. I have just registered a new domain, and I want the same >nameserver to resolve the new domain name to the same IP as >manymoons.net Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net "Nietzsche is dead" - God From mike-russell at netsailer.com Fri Apr 19 20:19:56 2002 From: mike-russell at netsailer.com (Mike Russell) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:19:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Multiple Zone DNS In-Reply-To: <1019246370.13346.273.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <1019237890.19525.269.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419131839.00a81190@mail.aracnet.com> input a new A record fore that domain with the same IP. or something like that. :) At 12:59 PM 4/19/02, you wrote: >I have read the howto, but maybe I am not being clear. > >I have my domain, manymoons.net, and the name server resolves my IP to >that name. I have just registered a new domain, and I want the same >nameserver to resolve the new domain name to the same IP as >manymoons.net > >The howto does not give a clue on how to do this as far as I can tell. > >On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 11:11, Brian Horan wrote: > > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html > > > > On Friday 19 April 2002 01:38 pm, you wrote: > > > Can anyone point me to a tutorial, provide examples, or advice about how > > > to set up multiple zones under a DNS. > > > > > > Currently, I have a DNS for my home domain, but I want to add another > > > domain name to my IP address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > -- > > Brian Horan > > bhoran at hexdev.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Apr 19 20:19:50 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Eric House wrote: > We're about to buy a digital camera, and will be using it mostly with > machines running Linux (Debian woody and potato). This is our first > digital camera. Are there any particular things to watch out for in > picking one out (e.g. "memory stick requires windoze")? Any > models/makers y'all recommend or recommend against? There are several linux applications to communicate with your camera. I use photopc, but there's also gphoto (or something like that) and others. Search freshmeat, then check each one. They'll tell you what chips or makes/models work with them. For the past 5 or so years I've used an Olympus D-340L with smart cards. Photopc (running from the command line) works just fine with it. Because I use this only for project work it's enough camera for me. Anyway, start with the desktop software and work back from that. Rich From due.gatti at gmx.net Thu Apr 18 20:42:15 2002 From: due.gatti at gmx.net (Greg) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:42:15 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OT - Re: Microsoft Does It Again - BSODs In-Reply-To: <20020419162909.0E48834D0A@ados.com> References: <3CC03D45.D7FBEB5E@yahoo.com> <20020419162909.0E48834D0A@ados.com> Message-ID: <20020418134215.70170060.due.gatti@gmx.net> There is actually a program some guy wrote that took care of the nastiness of getting in the registry..I had it when I used winderze- gave my self a purposely GARISH color scheme ;) Here's some, but the program I used did other stuff too, besides the bsod. http://download.com.com/3120-20-0.html?qt=bsod&tg=dl-20 (yeah, it is .com.com.!) On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:39:44 -0700 guy1656 wrote: > 3) I also heard that there is a registry hack by which you can customize your > own BSOD - you can select the DOS text color and background color, and even > select blinking texts. So not only can you have an RSOD, FSOD, GSOD (for red, > fuschia, green, etc.) but you could also blink in pairs of TACKY colors, e.g: > a "purple text over lime green alternating with beige text on pink"-SOD. From jeme at brelin.net Fri Apr 19 20:40:07 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Eric House wrote: > We're about to buy a digital camera, and will be using it mostly with > machines running Linux (Debian woody and potato). This is our first > digital camera. Are there any particular things to watch out for in > picking one out (e.g. "memory stick requires windoze")? Any > models/makers y'all recommend or recommend against? Like Richard, I also have an Olympus that works great for me. In fact, everyone I know with an Olympus (and mine's the lowest end of the bunch, the 360DL) is very happy with it. That's just a recommendation. Personally, I like SmartMedia. It's small and lightweight and inexpensive. The only advantage of CompactFlash, to me, is the ability to buy a microdrive... but most of us don't need that kind of storage on our cameras. Memory Stick is proprietary and I won't touch it on principle. I'd recommend buying a big chunk of media and an external reader when you get the camera. As for software, you'll find gphoto supports a very large number of the cameras out there right now. I love it. While it's not intuitively obvious at first, gphoto, when run with appropriate command line switches, never runs the gui. I don't use the gui and wrote a little wrapper script that allows me to pass parameters that date and number my files as they're pulled from the camera. Anyway, if you have specific questions, ask around before you commit. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From miker at netsailer.com Fri Apr 19 20:43:02 2002 From: miker at netsailer.com (Mike Russell) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:43:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] cell phone Internet access Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419133907.00a827a0@mail.netsailer2.com> I have not found any good info on how the connect my laptop via a dial up connection while on the road. this means no land line connection available. I want to connect via cell phone. anybody do this out there yet? From jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com Fri Apr 19 21:10:09 2002 From: jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com (Jon Jacob) Date: 19 Apr 2002 14:10:09 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Multiple Zone DNS In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419131851.00bb3d40@localhost> References: <1019237890.19525.269.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020419131851.00bb3d40@localhost> Message-ID: <1019250610.22893.283.camel@lana.manymoons.net> That's is more or less what I did, but it is not working. What I did was copy the zone file for manymoons.net replace all the places which said manymoons.net with the new domain name. I then added a section to named.conf that points to the new zone file. However, when I do a lookup on the new domain name it does not work. Here are my files: named.conf: options { directory "/var/named"; }; zone "." { type hint; file "root.hints"; }; zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "zone/127.0.0"; }; zone "manymoons.net" { type master; file "zone/manymoons.net"; }; zone "jonsleague.org" { type master; file "zone/jonsleague.org"; }; zone "214.170.63.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "zone/63.170.214"; }; zone/jonsleague.org: $ttl 38400 @ IN SOA jonsleague.org. root.jonsleague.org. ( 199609206 ; serial, todays date + todays serial # 8H ; refresh, seconds 2H ; retry, seconds 4W ; expire, seconds 1D ) ; minimum, seconds @ IN NS jonsleague.org. @ IN MX 10 jonsleague.org. ; Primary Mail Exchanger TXT "Jon's League Fantasy Basketball" localhost A 127.0.0.1 router A 63.170.214.66 jonsleague.org. A 63.170.214.66 lana A 63.170.214.66 ns A 63.170.214.66 www A 63.170.214.66 funn A 63.170.214.66 Am I suppose to add something to zone/63.170.214 ? This does work fine for manymoons.net which I have had for awhile, but not the new one which is jonsleague.org. Is it possible that the registration is not complete yet? I did this early yesterday. Whois does not show that it is mine, yet, but I thought it should only take 24hrs. On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 13:20, Russ Johnson wrote: > Add the stanza for the second domain to /etc/named.conf, and the zone file > to /var/named/ (if that's where you store them). > > As long as the domain record points to your DNS, it works. > > At 12:59 PM 4/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >I have my domain, manymoons.net, and the name server resolves my IP to > >that name. I have just registered a new domain, and I want the same > >nameserver to resolve the new domain name to the same IP as > >manymoons.net > > Russ Johnson > http://www.dimstar.net > > > "Nietzsche is dead" > - God > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Apr 19 21:18:19 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] cell phone Internet access In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419133907.00a827a0@mail.netsailer2.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Mike Russell wrote: > I have not found any good info on how the connect my laptop via a dial up > connection while on the road. this means no land line connection available. > I want to connect via cell phone. Almost. :-) I connect from my Toshiba Portege 3025CT (using a pcmcia modem card) via the Kyocera QCP-6035 to my shell account on Aracnet. But, ... and I've not figured this out yet, the ppp connection instantly hangs up. Could be the AT commands initializing the phone/modem or some setup in the phone itself. However, it *can* be done. Rich From fixin at peak.org Fri Apr 19 21:22:09 2002 From: fixin at peak.org (Eric House) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] RE: cell phone Internet access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike Russell wrote: > I have not found any good info on how the connect my laptop via a dial up > connection while on the road. this means no land line connection available. > I want to connect via cell phone. > > anybody do this out there yet? I've been doing it for two weeks using a Samsung T300 (Verizon) and a serial data cable. I put the phone in data mode and then it's exactly the same as using a pcmcia landline modem (though about 1/4 the speed). The scripts I use (e.g. for pon) are identical but for the serial device. --Eric ****************************************************************************** * From the desktop of: Eric House, fixin at peak.org * * Crosswords 4.0 for PalmOS is out!: * ****************************************************************************** From rsteff at attbi.com Fri Apr 19 21:26:19 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:26:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household References: Message-ID: <3CC08B7B.FF5F7348@attbi.com> Eric House wrote: > We're about to buy a digital camera, and will be using it mostly with > machines running Linux (Debian woody and potato). This is our first > digital camera. Are there any particular things to watch out for in > picking one out (e.g. "memory stick requires windoze")? Any > models/makers y'all recommend or recommend against? Check the ability of the camera to "see" distant objects (if that's a concern for you). I bought a cheap digital camera (Largan) a couple of years ago. It worked ok for close (within 50 feet), well lit objects but washed out when trying to take a picture of Mt. Hood. Since then, I've acquired a used Polaroid PDC640. While better than the Largan, and good enough for most of my needs, it also washes out distant objects, even when there is good contrast between deep blue sky and snowy white mountain top. (This inability to handle distance also applies to the cheap cameras like the IBM "PC Camera" and another one made by Sanyo.) I never found the Largan supported by any Linux software, but the Polaroid is on the list in gPhoto 0.4.3 along with about 110 other cameras. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From russj at dimstar.net Fri Apr 19 21:42:55 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:42:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Multiple Zone DNS In-Reply-To: <1019250610.22893.283.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419131851.00bb3d40@localhost> <1019237890.19525.269.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020419131851.00bb3d40@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419143755.00bd8900@localhost> Most likely, the problem is that the domain has not updated yet. It's working locally to your server: > server 63.170.214.66 Default Server: 063-170-214-066.dslnorthwest.net Address: 63.170.214.66 > jonsleague.org Server: 063-170-214-066.dslnorthwest.net Address: 63.170.214.66 Name: jonsleague.org Address: 63.170.214.66 > set q=all > jonsleague.org Server: 063-170-214-066.dslnorthwest.net Address: 63.170.214.66 jonsleague.org internet address = 63.170.214.66 jonsleague.org primary name server = jonsleague.org responsible mail addr = root.jonsleague.org serial = 199609206 refresh = 28800 (8 hours) retry = 7200 (2 hours) expire = 2419200 (28 days) default TTL = 86400 (1 day) jonsleague.org nameserver = jonsleague.org jonsleague.org MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = jonsleague.org jonsleague.org text = "Jon's League Fantasy Basketball" jonsleague.org nameserver = jonsleague.org > At 02:10 PM 4/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: >That's is more or less what I did, but it is not working. Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net "Nietzsche is dead" - God From cmize at loadzone.org Fri Apr 19 21:57:45 2002 From: cmize at loadzone.org (Chuck Mize) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:57:45 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household References: Message-ID: <01d401c1e7ed$84473890$da0b10ac@tpcllp.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric House" To: "Portland Linux User's Group" Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 12:49 PM Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household > We're about to buy a digital camera, and will be using it mostly with > machines running Linux (Debian woody and potato). This is our first > digital camera. Are there any particular things to watch out for in > picking one out (e.g. "memory stick requires windoze")? Any > models/makers y'all recommend or recommend against? > > Thanks, > > --Eric House You could take a look at one of the Sony Mavicas. The older ones just use a floppy disk but the newer ones burn the pictures to CDRW disk. That way you wouldn't have to worry about memory sticks or incompatibility with your OS of choice... From hapibeli at save-net.com Fri Apr 19 10:23:25 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:23:25 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Errors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020419222055.536B52AABA@server5.safepages.com> > > Do you have a virtual terminal open where the pwd is on an nfs-mounted > directory? That would cause the "device or resource busy" message. > Alternatively, if another host is accessing some file on the machine you're > trying to shut down it may be waiting for the other box to release the > link. Rich root]# lsof /net | cut -d' ' -f1 | sort -u automount COMMAND root] # How would I know I have a virtual term open? From richard.langis at sun.com Fri Apr 19 22:27:55 2002 From: richard.langis at sun.com (Richard Langis) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:27:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household References: Message-ID: <3CC099EB.9020405@sun.com> If you get one with a CF card, you can simply grab a CF Card-Reader for $30 and put that on your Linux box. From what I've heard from the list, they simply show up as a drive you can mount and copy from. So that's another option if the camera you truly desire isn't directly supported under Linux. -R Eric House wrote: > We're about to buy a digital camera, and will be using it mostly with > machines running Linux (Debian woody and potato). This is our first > digital camera. Are there any particular things to watch out for in > picking one out (e.g. "memory stick requires windoze")? Any > models/makers y'all recommend or recommend against? > > Thanks, > > --Eric House -- s u n m i c r o s y s t e m s ~ Richard Langis Jr. ~ richard.langis at sun.com From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Apr 19 22:27:25 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Errors In-Reply-To: <20020419222055.536B52AABA@server5.safepages.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Dirk & Karen wrote: > root]# lsof /net | cut -d' ' -f1 | sort -u > automount > COMMAND > root] # > How would I know I have a virtual term open? If you're running in X then any terminal window should tell you in the prompt where it is pointing. Rich From longman at sharplabs.com Fri Apr 19 22:30:00 2002 From: longman at sharplabs.com (Longman, Bill) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:30:00 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Errors Message-ID: That's the Alt-F1, Alt-F2 screens. If you don't use them to switch screens, you probably don't have one open. The most likely thing is a process running with a file open somewhere in that tree. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dirk & Karen [mailto:hapibeli at save-net.com] > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:23 AM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Errors > > > > > > > Do you have a virtual terminal open where the pwd is on > an nfs-mounted > > directory? That would cause the "device or resource busy" message. > > > > Alternatively, if another host is accessing some file on > the machine you're > > trying to shut down it may be waiting for the other box to > release the > > link. > > Rich > > root]# lsof /net | cut -d' ' -f1 | sort -u > automount > COMMAND > root] # > How would I know I have a virtual term open? > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From rddunlap at osdl.org Fri Apr 19 22:27:39 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household In-Reply-To: <3CC099EB.9020405@sun.com> Message-ID: Yep, that's what I do...shows up as a USB storage device. ~Randy On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Richard Langis wrote: | If you get one with a CF card, you can simply grab a CF Card-Reader for $30 | and put that on your Linux box. From what I've heard from the list, they | simply show up as a drive you can mount and copy from. | | So that's another option if the camera you truly desire isn't directly | supported under Linux. | | -R | | Eric House wrote: | | > We're about to buy a digital camera, and will be using it mostly with | > machines running Linux (Debian woody and potato). This is our first | > digital camera. Are there any particular things to watch out for in | > picking one out (e.g. "memory stick requires windoze")? Any | > models/makers y'all recommend or recommend against? From m at netpro.to Fri Apr 19 22:44:49 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Need suggestion for web-based daily memo app Message-ID: Does anyone have any recommendations for a web-based program that would simply log various techsupport entries, daily memos, etc., each day, and also allow people to search through the entries? I'm sure this would be fairly easy to code myself, but if there's something pre-existing, then that would save me some time. Thanks, ~M From sandy at herring.org Fri Apr 19 23:01:13 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:01:13 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OT: Yahoo! is watching you... Message-ID: <20020419160113.A21249@kippered.herring.org> ******************************************************************** Very important information about Web "Beacons" Bugs (the real name) and Yahoo PRIVACY Policy. On the web site you will see in the privacy statement a reference to "WebBeacons" you need to click on the OPT-OUT button to opt-out. If you don't Yahoo will follow you around on the Internet tracking the sites you visit and every thing you do and sends this info back to Yahoo for "marketing" info. It is an invasion of your privacy, but it is still legal. You can "opt out" of the web beacons by going to http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html (opt-out link is embedded in the text about halfway down the page) Make sure you read their fine print. This is from their policy statement: Note: This opt-out applies to a specific browser rather than a specific user. Therefore you will have to opt-out separately from each computer or browser that you use. *bastids*! Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You really should buy three things: A camera that has the quality you want and the price you can pay that supports an open, fast media format like SmartMedia or Compact Flash. I personally prefer SmartMedia for the size, weight, and price. A big piece of media. Most cameras will come with one card or stick or whatever, but it's usually of modest size. You can get a 128MB SmartMedia card for under $40... sometimes under $30. An external media reader. A SmartMedia or Compact Flash reader that will connect to your PC and is usable by your OS. There are many units that read both types of media. Not every reader is supported in Linux though. The best part about taking this route is that it leaves your camera choices much more open... you don't have to worry about directly connecting the camera to the PC because you have the external reader. However, my goal is to have a camera that I directly connect to my PC so that the PC can control the camera for doing stop-motion animation (using libgphoto and some custom code). So, there are good reasons to get a camera that has a supported direct interface. Oh, and if you don't already have such a thing, you should REALLY get some good rechargeable batteries for your camera. If you're out taking shots all day, you'll likely have the camera on and that consumes power quickly (and if you use the LCD, which I rarely do, you'll burn batteries like a mofo). I HIGHLY recommend the work of Maha Electronics: You can get "the mother of all chargers" with a pile of excellent batteries for less than fifty bucks: And if you get a camera with a specialized battery, you can get their sweet universal charger: I don't work for the company or anything, I'm just a big fan of their products. If you haven't used good, modern rechargeables, you don't know what you're missing. There is absolutely no reason you should be using disposable alkalines at this point. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From longman at sharplabs.com Fri Apr 19 23:34:50 2002 From: longman at sharplabs.com (Longman, Bill) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:34:50 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OT: Yahoo! is watching you... Message-ID: > Make sure you read their fine print. This is from their > policy statement: > > Note: This opt-out applies to a specific browser rather than > a specific > user. Therefore you will have to opt-out separately from each > computer or > browser that you use. This is the best piece of OT I've seen. Thanks Sandy! From jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com Fri Apr 19 23:38:59 2002 From: jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com (Jon Jacob) Date: 19 Apr 2002 16:38:59 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Multiple Zone DNS In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419143755.00bd8900@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419131851.00bb3d40@localhost> <1019237890.19525.269.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020419131851.00bb3d40@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020419143755.00bd8900@localhost> Message-ID: <1019259540.13386.289.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Thanks, Russ. I have come to the same conclusion. I knew I was doing it right, but I thought the registration would be quicker. Again, thanks for the confirmation. I forgot that I could test it that way. On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 14:42, Russ Johnson wrote: > Most likely, the problem is that the domain has not updated yet. It's > working locally to your server: > > > server 63.170.214.66 > Default Server: 063-170-214-066.dslnorthwest.net > Address: 63.170.214.66 > > > jonsleague.org > Server: 063-170-214-066.dslnorthwest.net > Address: 63.170.214.66 > > Name: jonsleague.org > Address: 63.170.214.66 > > > set q=all > > jonsleague.org > Server: 063-170-214-066.dslnorthwest.net > Address: 63.170.214.66 > > jonsleague.org internet address = 63.170.214.66 > jonsleague.org > primary name server = jonsleague.org > responsible mail addr = root.jonsleague.org > serial = 199609206 > refresh = 28800 (8 hours) > retry = 7200 (2 hours) > expire = 2419200 (28 days) > default TTL = 86400 (1 day) > jonsleague.org nameserver = jonsleague.org > jonsleague.org MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = jonsleague.org > jonsleague.org text = > > "Jon's League Fantasy Basketball" > jonsleague.org nameserver = jonsleague.org > > > > At 02:10 PM 4/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >That's is more or less what I did, but it is not working. > > Russ Johnson > http://www.dimstar.net > > > "Nietzsche is dead" > - God > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From mikedela at ipns.com Fri Apr 19 23:50:52 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:50:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need suggestion for web-based daily memo app In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Have you looked in sourceforge? I've seen lot web based tech support board things there. There are apps to track specifiic complaints and to log FAQs. 4/19/02 3:44:49 PM, Matt Alexander wrote: >Does anyone have any recommendations for a web-based program that would >simply log various techsupport entries, daily memos, etc., each day, and >also allow people to search through the entries? I'm sure this would be >fairly easy to code myself, but if there's something pre-existing, then >that would save me some time. >Thanks, >~M > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ---------- Mike De La Mater Mike De La Mater Consulting mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 From jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com Fri Apr 19 23:45:36 2002 From: jonjacobmoon at yahoo.com (Jon Jacob) Date: 19 Apr 2002 16:45:36 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OT: Yahoo! is watching you... In-Reply-To: <20020419160113.A21249@kippered.herring.org> References: <20020419160113.A21249@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: <1019259936.19525.295.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Thanks, Sandy. I was not aware of that, but am glad that you told me. On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 16:01, Sandy Herring wrote: > ******************************************************************** > Very important information about Web "Beacons" Bugs (the real name) and > Yahoo PRIVACY Policy. On the web site you will see in the privacy statement > a reference to "WebBeacons" you need to click on the OPT-OUT button to > opt-out. If you don't Yahoo will follow you around on the Internet tracking > the sites you visit and every thing you do and sends this info back to Yahoo > for "marketing" info. > > It is an invasion of your privacy, but it is still legal. You can "opt out" > of the web beacons by going to > > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html > (opt-out link is embedded in the text about halfway down the page) > > Make sure you read their fine print. This is from their policy statement: > > Note: This opt-out applies to a specific browser rather than a specific > user. Therefore you will have to opt-out separately from each computer or > browser that you use. > > > > *bastids*! > Sandy > -- > Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org > Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ > UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html > =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc > *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From seniorr at aracnet.com Sat Apr 20 00:06:45 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 19 Apr 2002 17:06:45 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <864ri7jkru.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Jeme" == Jeme A Brelin writes: Jeme> Oh, and if you don't already have such a thing, you should Jeme> REALLY get some good rechargeable batteries for your camera. If Jeme> you're out taking shots all day, you'll likely have the camera Jeme> on and that consumes power quickly (and if you use the LCD, Jeme> which I rarely do, you'll burn batteries like a mofo). Yah! Tell me about it! Just my little anecdote, I've got an Olympus 460Z, which comes with a serial cable (not USB). It took close to 1 hour to download about 100 SHQ (I think) images using the serial cable (about 30 meg). Just that download operation would just about toast a set of 4 alkaline AA's. So: a) get rechargables; b) get some kind of media reader; and/or c) get a camera that has a USB (or other high-speed) interface built-in that works with your OS of choice. I went with b) and am working on a). BTW, I'd love to be able to control a digital video camera externally to do time-lapse. Anybody know what works? -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From lemming at attbi.com Sat Apr 20 00:40:09 2002 From: lemming at attbi.com (Mark Morgan) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:40:09 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household References: <01d401c1e7ed$84473890$da0b10ac@tpcllp.com> Message-ID: <3CC0B8E9.8030205@attbi.com> Chuck Mize wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric House" > Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household > >>We're about to buy a digital camera, and will be using it mostly with >>machines running Linux (Debian woody and potato). This is our first >>digital camera. Are there any particular things to watch out for in >>picking one out (e.g. "memory stick requires windoze")? Any >>models/makers y'all recommend or recommend against? > > You could take a look at one of the Sony Mavicas. The older ones just use a > floppy disk but the newer ones burn the pictures to CDRW disk. That way you > wouldn't have to worry about memory sticks or incompatibility with your OS > of choice... I have a Sony Cybershot DSC-S70 with a 64MB stick. Takes great shots, but is not that great for action shots. There's about a second before the picture is actually taken. That might be something to look for. For working with Linux, I just use the USB port and mount the camera like a HD. works great. -Mark Morgan From codeyeti at yahoo.com Sat Apr 20 00:59:30 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:59:30 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Multiple Zone DNS References: <1019237890.19525.269.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020419131851.00bb3d40@localhost> <1019250610.22893.283.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <3CC0BD71.3CD9A4CB@yahoo.com> Your zones look OK, did you SIGHUP (restart) the named server and try a nslookup or dig on the nameserver itself? It takes about 2 days to propogate a change to the DNS entries, so if you can get the right results using nslookup from the server that you did the changes on, then it's a matter of time. --Mike -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas Fucking Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From deanm at sharplabs.com Sat Apr 20 01:02:30 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] OT: Yahoo! is watching you... In-Reply-To: <20020419160113.A21249@kippered.herring.org> (message from Sandy Herring on Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:01:13 -0700) References: <20020419160113.A21249@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: <20020420010230.A6F1D10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Sandy Herring writes: :: Very important information about Web "Beacons" Bugs (the real name) :: and Yahoo PRIVACY Policy. On the web site you will see in the privacy :: statement a reference to "WebBeacons" you need to click on the OPT-OUT :: button to opt-out. If you don't Yahoo will follow you around on the :: Internet tracking the sites you visit and every thing you do and sends :: this info back to Yahoo for "marketing" info. :: :: It is an invasion of your privacy, but it is still legal. You can "opt :: out" of the web beacons by going to :: :: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html :: (opt-out link is embedded in the text about halfway down the page) :: :: Make sure you read their fine print. This is from their policy :: statement: :: :: Note: This opt-out applies to a specific browser rather than a :: specific user. Therefore you will have to opt-out separately from each :: computer or browser that you use. :: Thanks for the heads up, Sandy. Now would someone kindly 'spain how they do this? Please disabuse me of my naivete. Do I have to first go to Yahoo's web page for them to "track me". Or do they, like Big Brother, simply "have ways" to watch my every web move? (I'm asking this in all seriousness; no sarcasm here!) P.S. I have no "accounts" with any of these creeps; I don't _ever_ turn on cookies, and rarely do I enable Java/JavaScripts; I never enter anything personal (like credit card #s or S.S.N.s; or do banking, shopping, or, salacious leering on the "web". I merely visit various technical and political sites that are of interest to web. Nonetheless I bink around quite a bit and would be very disenchanted if something like Yahoo were "watching" me. Dean From sandy at herring.org Sat Apr 20 01:26:42 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:26:42 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OT: Yahoo! is watching you... In-Reply-To: <20020420010230.A6F1D10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com>; from deanm@sharplabs.com on Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 06:02:30PM -0700 References: <20020419160113.A21249@kippered.herring.org> <20020420010230.A6F1D10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Message-ID: <20020419182642.A24531@kippered.herring.org> On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Dean S. Messing wrote: [...] > Thanks for the heads up, Sandy. Now would someone kindly 'spain how > they do this? Please disabuse me of my naivete. They're also known as Web Bugs... http://www.privacyfoundation.org/resources/webbug.asp Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sandy at herring.org Sat Apr 20 01:35:27 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:35:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] SpamAssassin vs. Razor Message-ID: <20020419183527.B24531@kippered.herring.org> *arrghh* My mbox is getting bloated with spam of late. I've been using junkfilter[0], but it's just not cutting the mustard any more - it hasn't been updated in nearly a year. Methinks it's time to have a gander at SpamAssassin. I've also heard good things about Razor[1]. Does anyone have any experience with it that they'd care to share? Sandy [2] [0] http://www.zer0.org/junkfilter/ [1] http://razor.sourceforge.net/ [2] with apologies for all the food puns :) -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anyone have >any experience with it that they'd care to share? > >Sandy [2] > >[0] http://www.zer0.org/junkfilter/ >[1] http://razor.sourceforge.net/ >[2] with apologies for all the food puns :) >-- >Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org >Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ >UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html >=>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc >*sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. Russ Johnson Stargate Online http://www.dimstar.net telnet://telnet.dimstar.net ICQ: 3739685 Cats are smarter than dogs. You can not get eight cats to pull a sled through snow. Jeff Valdez From dgc at easystreet.com Sat Apr 20 02:16:19 2002 From: dgc at easystreet.com (dgc at easystreet.com) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:16:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] SpamAssassin vs. Razor In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:35:27 PDT." <20020419183527.B24531@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: <20020420021624.884FFC593C@dsl-209-162-216-78.easystreet.com> You don't have to choose between them; current versions of spamassassin (I'm running version 2.20) use Razor as one of the tools to identify spam. dgc > > *arrghh* My mbox is getting bloated with spam of late. I've been using > junkfilter[0], but it's just not cutting the mustard any more - it hasn't > been updated in nearly a year. Methinks it's time to have a gander at > SpamAssassin. I've also heard good things about Razor[1]. Does anyone have > any experience with it that they'd care to share? > > Sandy [2] > From mike at computer-arts.net Sat Apr 20 02:18:08 2002 From: mike at computer-arts.net (Mike Witt) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:18:08 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Mosberger & Eranian book Message-ID: <3CC0CFE0.62A9B004@computer-arts.net> Has anybody read "ia-64 linux kernel" by Mosberger and Eranian? I'm about half way through it, and this is probably the best Linux internals book I've seen. I does, of course, concentrate on the ia-64 implementation, but it clearly separates the implementation specific aspects from the generic Kernel information. I've been looking for a Linux book that's on par with the BSD book by McKusick, et al. I don't think this one quite has the same "coverage" but (IMO) the quality is similar. -Mike -- Mike Witt Computer Arts, West Linn Oregon, USA http://www.computer-arts.net/~mike From russj at dimstar.net Sat Apr 20 04:14:33 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:14:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] SpamAssassin vs. Razor In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419190615.00a92d88@mail.localnet.dimstar.n et> References: <20020419183527.B24531@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020419211208.00a93eb0@mail.localnet.dimstar.net> Well, that was entirely too easy. 1: Move the RC file to /etc/init.d/ 2: Run /etc/init.d/spamd start 3: Add rule to /etc/procmailrc: :0fw | spamc Now all my mail (system wide) gets filtered. At 07:06 PM 4/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I'm trying to wrap my brain around spamassassin. Will it work for pop >accounts? Russ Johnson Stargate Online http://www.dimstar.net telnet://telnet.dimstar.net ICQ: 3739685 Cats are smarter than dogs. You can not get eight cats to pull a sled through snow. Jeff Valdez From rddunlap at osdl.org Sat Apr 20 04:31:00 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (rddunlap at osdl.org) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Mosberger & Eranian book Message-ID: = Has anybody read "ia-64 linux kernel" by Mosberger and = Eranian? I'm about half way through it, and this is probably = the best Linux internals book I've seen. I does, of course, = concentrate on the ia-64 implementation, but it clearly = separates the implementation specific aspects from the generic = Kernel information. = = I've been looking for a Linux book that's on par with the = BSD book by McKusick, et al. I don't think this one quite has = the same "coverage" but (IMO) the quality is similar. Hi, I've heard good things about this book and I plan to get/read it. It tries to cover Linux porting problems in general and then how they were solved on ia64, so that it appeals to a broader audience. And there is follow-up info for it at http://www.lia64.org/book/changelog.php3 -- ~Randy From sean_whitney at bigfoot.com Sat Apr 20 06:21:38 2002 From: sean_whitney at bigfoot.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:21:38 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020420062139.55930C511@max.seansdomain.org> One that note, Fry's (no war stories here please) is selling 128MB Smart Media Cards for 39.00. Sean On Friday 19 April 2002 13:40, you hammered at the keyboard: > On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Eric House wrote: > > We're about to buy a digital camera, and will be using it mostly with > > machines running Linux (Debian woody and potato). This is our first > > digital camera. Are there any particular things to watch out for in > > picking one out (e.g. "memory stick requires windoze")? Any > > models/makers y'all recommend or recommend against? > > Like Richard, I also have an Olympus that works great for me. In fact, > everyone I know with an Olympus (and mine's the lowest end of the bunch, > the 360DL) is very happy with it. That's just a recommendation. > > Personally, I like SmartMedia. It's small and lightweight and > inexpensive. The only advantage of CompactFlash, to me, is the ability to > buy a microdrive... but most of us don't need that kind of storage on our > cameras. Memory Stick is proprietary and I won't touch it on principle. > > I'd recommend buying a big chunk of media and an external reader when you > get the camera. > > As for software, you'll find gphoto supports a very large number of the > cameras out there right now. I love it. While it's not intuitively > obvious at first, gphoto, when run with appropriate command line switches, > never runs the gui. I don't use the gui and wrote a little wrapper script > that allows me to pass parameters that date and number my files as they're > pulled from the camera. > > Anyway, if you have specific questions, ask around before you commit. > > J. -- This here's the wattle, The emblem of our land. You can stick it in a bottle; You can hold it in your hand. Amen! -- Monty Python From bill at coho.net Sat Apr 20 05:18:45 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] OT: Yahoo! is watching you... In-Reply-To: <20020419182642.A24531@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: OK, so webbugs use cookies, including pre-existing cookies carried by Yahoo users. So if one instructs one's browser to discard all cookies at the end of a session (as Opera claims to be able to do automatically) this should provide for privacey, right? The interesting thing is that if you use junkbuster and are a yahoo user, junkbuster won't protect you from yahoo's spying, 'cause you've already told it to let yahoo read yer cookies! I guess you could restrict cookie-reading to login.yahoo.com and mail.yahoo.com or something. Bill On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: > On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Dean S. Messing wrote: > [...] > > Thanks for the heads up, Sandy. Now would someone kindly 'spain how > > they do this? Please disabuse me of my naivete. > > They're also known as Web Bugs... > > http://www.privacyfoundation.org/resources/webbug.asp > > Sandy > From ross at principia.edu Sat Apr 20 06:41:28 2002 From: ross at principia.edu (Ross Brattain) Date: 19 Apr 2002 23:41:28 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87wuv2dg87.fsf@maas-neotek.attbi.com> Jeme A Brelin writes: > I HIGHLY recommend the work of Maha Electronics: > > > You can get "the mother of all chargers" with a pile of excellent > batteries for less than fifty bucks: > Ham Radio Outlet in Tigard (behind the Arby's at 99W and 217) has Maha, also called PowerEx. -ross From greg at maneuveringspeed.com Sat Apr 20 06:43:07 2002 From: greg at maneuveringspeed.com (Greg Long) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:43:07 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] "Video Games" episode of The History Channel's "Modern Marvels" show Message-ID: <001101c1e836$a46d9e90$6701a8c0@endeavor> I vidcapped the 43min (1 hour) History Channel episode of Modern Marvels on Video Games - remixing now into a 460mb DivX and probably a 130mb MPEG1 - if anyone is interested - sans commercials. I'm not going to post for my web server to dish out because of my limited bandwidth, but on a one to one basis I could send either version out - I prefer to send the DivX - you can always make a lower quality MPEG1 from there. Anyone interested can email me at addmin at maneuveringspeed.com - ommit the second "d" from "addmin" Near as I understand, because these are broadcast, it's legal to distribute (without charge of course) - although it surely upsets the advertisers. :) Because so many of the Unix/Linux community pay attention to the progression of hardware, and certainly video games are a popular illustration of this, I felt that many would find this interesting. It discusses the progression from Space Wars of MIT 1960's fame to PONG, to the games of the 1980's up to the latest online multiplayer game utilizing the capabilities of some of the relatively high end GPU's we've come to love. A definite must-see for anyone who appreciates a historical perspective on all of this. ReplayTV has built in goodies to reportedly automatically cut the commercials and allow for sharing over broadband connecitons, though I've never looked into specifics of this, as I'm not in the market for such a machine. TiVO I have heard runs on a Linux system - and many have hacked it and installed larger HD's and configured it to use their broadband connections vs. its normal dialup. ---Greg "When it gets to Holodec levels, I'm never leaving" From bill at coho.net Sat Apr 20 05:43:23 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] OT: Yahoo! is watching you... In-Reply-To: <20020419182642.A24531@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: Interesting discovery for those using Opera--if you tell it not to save new cookies on exit it will still let folks access old cookies they have planted. The cookie file ($HOME/.opera/cookies4.dat) seemed to have some binary (non-ascii) data in it, so I was worried about editing it by hand. As an experiment I moved it to another directory, restarted opera (I had already set the thing to not save cookies on exit) and logged into Yahoo. It let log in, made itself a new cookes4.dat file, but apparently did not store anything in it. So for a mild tradeoff in convenience you can at least make things a little harder for webbug tracking. Of course, I am assuming that the free version of Opera isn't tracking my every move when it gets its %^&$ ads. Bill On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: > On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Dean S. Messing wrote: > [...] > > Thanks for the heads up, Sandy. Now would someone kindly 'spain how > > they do this? Please disabuse me of my naivete. > > They're also known as Web Bugs... > > http://www.privacyfoundation.org/resources/webbug.asp > > Sandy > From tedm at toybox.placo.com Sat Apr 20 06:56:21 2002 From: tedm at toybox.placo.com (Ted Mittelstaedt) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:56:21 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] RE: "Video Games" episode of The History Channel's "Modern Marvels" show In-Reply-To: <001101c1e836$a46d9e90$6701a8c0@endeavor> Message-ID: <000101c1e838$7a847c00$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg Long [mailto:greg at maneuveringspeed.com] >Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:43 PM >To: PLUG; pdx-freebsd at toybox.placo.com >Subject: "Video Games" episode of The History Channel's "Modern Marvels" >show > > >I vidcapped the 43min (1 hour) History Channel episode of Modern Marvels >on Video Games - remixing now into a 460mb DivX and probably a 130mb >MPEG1 - if anyone is interested - sans commercials. I'm not going to >post for my web server to dish out because of my limited bandwidth, but >on a one to one basis I could send either version out - I prefer to send >the DivX - you can always make a lower quality MPEG1 from there. Anyone >interested can email me at addmin at maneuveringspeed.com - ommit the >second "d" from "addmin" > >Near as I understand, because these are broadcast, it's legal to >distribute (without charge of course) - although it surely upsets the >advertisers. :) > No they are not. Broadcast shows are legal for viewing but do not carry re-broadcast/re-distribute rights. To redistribute something you taped off the air you must get permission from the broadcaster. This goes for radio as well. It has nothing to do with the commercials, other than commercials also don't give rebroadcast rights either. Ted From john at meissen.org Sat Apr 20 06:57:44 2002 From: john at meissen.org (John Meissen) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:57:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household In-Reply-To: Message from Ross Brattain of "19 Apr 2002 23:41:28 PDT." <87wuv2dg87.fsf@maas-neotek.attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020420065744.B5FDC741B7@john.meissen.org> I =highly= recommend these batteries. I bought this combo about a year ago from Thomas Distributing along with an extra set of batteries. They last forever! And I only have the 1600mAh version. The current one is 1800mAh. This charger is great, it even comes with a car adapter. Thomas Distributing has them for $37.95. http://www.thomasdistributing.com/mh-c204f-4aa180dc.htm > Jeme A Brelin writes: > > > I HIGHLY recommend the work of Maha Electronics: > > > > > > You can get "the mother of all chargers" with a pile of excellent > > batteries for less than fifty bucks: > > > > Ham Radio Outlet in Tigard (behind the Arby's at 99W and 217) has > Maha, also called PowerEx. > > -ross > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From alan at batie.org Sat Apr 20 07:00:20 2002 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:00:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: "Video Games" episode of The History Channel's "Modern Marvels" show In-Reply-To: <001101c1e836$a46d9e90$6701a8c0@endeavor> References: <001101c1e836$a46d9e90$6701a8c0@endeavor> Message-ID: <20020420000020.A76742@agora.rdrop.com> On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 11:43:07PM -0700, Greg Long wrote: > Near as I understand, because these are broadcast, it's legal to > distribute (without charge of course) Sorry, that's not correct. > ReplayTV has built in goodies to reportedly automatically cut the > commercials and allow for sharing over broadband connecitons, though > I've never looked into specifics of this, as I'm not in the market for > such a machine. From what I've seen about it (I have an earlier Replay --- they want way too much for the new one): Automatically cutting the commercials is something you can have it do while watching, but doubt it does it when sharing. Sharing is bandwidth limited such that the example they give is that it takes all night to do one 2hr movie. > TiVO I have heard runs on a Linux system - and many have hacked it and > installed larger HD's and configured it to use their broadband > connections vs. its normal dialup. I don't know about the broadband part (I know Tivo has been hacked to support Ethernet, but don't think it's been hacked to get updates over it), but both Replay and Tivo are relatively easy to upgrade HDs with, though it helps if you're starting with a brand new machine. Memory Time here in town will do it for you, and ebay has all kinds of offers to do it as well. It doesn't require any "hacking" to upgrade the disk from what I recall --- it's basically a matter of dd'ing the old disk to the new one and putting the new disk back in, if your unit only has one to start with. A quick search on yahoo should find the sites with detailed instructions. I have the Philips DSR-6000, a Tivo unit with builtin satellite receiver. It stores the bits directly off the satellite, resulting in much higher picture quality (which is why the Replay is relegated now to the auxiliary TV), and while it still phones home every night, the program guide comes over the satellite, saving phone time. -- Alan Batie ______ www.rdrop.com/users/alan Me alan at batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ razor.sourceforge.net NO SPAM! "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Ben Franklin) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 348 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jason at vancleve.com Sat Apr 20 07:14:10 2002 From: jason at vancleve.com (Jason Van Cleve) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:14:10 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OT: Yahoo! is watching you... In-Reply-To: <20020419160113.A21249@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: Just a detail, but one worth bringing up: I think saying these Web bugs can "follow you around on the Internet" is rather inaccurate. They operate on the Web servers and do not attach to your browser, so if you browse to a site that has no such bugs in its pages, the bugs cannot follow you there, and Yahoo loses track. The transparent image has to be included in every page which is to be tracked. So they can't know "everything you do". It sounds like Yahoo is trying to get as many sites as possible to include their own "beacons" on these sites' pages, so that if you were to browse between several of them consecutively, Yahoo would have a log of your activity among these participating sites (and they would know you navigated directly from site A to site B, because of the "referring URL" header that is normally sent with each request). Anyway, as a Web developer, I can tell you this can be done in other ways than by using a single-pixel image, and it's nothing new. --Jason Van Cleve > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Sandy Herring > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 4:01 PM > To: Penguin Pen Pals > Subject: [PLUG] OT: Yahoo! is watching you... > > > ******************************************************************** > Very important information about Web "Beacons" Bugs (the real name) and > Yahoo PRIVACY Policy. On the web site you will see in the privacy > statement > a reference to "WebBeacons" you need to click on the OPT-OUT button to > opt-out. If you don't Yahoo will follow you around on the > Internet tracking > the sites you visit and every thing you do and sends this info > back to Yahoo > for "marketing" info. > > It is an invasion of your privacy, but it is still legal. You can > "opt out" > of the web beacons by going to > > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html > (opt-out link is embedded in the text about halfway down the page) > > Make sure you read their fine print. This is from their policy statement: > > Note: This opt-out applies to a specific browser rather than a specific > user. Therefore you will have to opt-out separately from each computer or > browser that you use. > > > > *bastids*! > Sandy > -- > Sandy Herring, RHCE o > sandy at herring.org > Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. From linux at maneuveringspeed.com Sat Apr 20 07:18:33 2002 From: linux at maneuveringspeed.com (Greg Long) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:18:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] "Video Games" episode of The History Channel's "Modern Marvels" show - can't distribute In-Reply-To: <001101c1e836$a46d9e90$6701a8c0@endeavor> Message-ID: <001f01c1e83b$97882100$6701a8c0@endeavor> OK, I'm being told the caps can't be shared without infringing copyright laws - even though it's broadcast and not-for profit distribution - so I must rescind the offer. It's a good watch though - I'm sure they'll show it again, though their schedule search engine only turns out the hits for the ones broadcast earlier. Also, it's likely www.historychannel.com will be happy to sell a video/DVD of the show. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Greg Long Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:43 PM To: PLUG; pdx-freebsd at toybox.placo.com Subject: [PLUG] "Video Games" episode of The History Channel's "Modern Marvels" show I vidcapped the 43min (1 hour) History Channel episode of Modern Marvels on Video Games - remixing now into a 460mb DivX and probably a 130mb MPEG1 - if anyone is interested - sans commercials. I'm not going to post for my web server to dish out because of my limited bandwidth, but on a one to one basis I could send either version out - I prefer to send the DivX - you can always make a lower quality MPEG1 from there. Anyone interested can email me at addmin at maneuveringspeed.com - ommit the second "d" from "addmin" Near as I understand, because these are broadcast, it's legal to distribute (without charge of course) - although it surely upsets the advertisers. :) Because so many of the Unix/Linux community pay attention to the progression of hardware, and certainly video games are a popular illustration of this, I felt that many would find this interesting. It discusses the progression from Space Wars of MIT 1960's fame to PONG, to the games of the 1980's up to the latest online multiplayer game utilizing the capabilities of some of the relatively high end GPU's we've come to love. A definite must-see for anyone who appreciates a historical perspective on all of this. ReplayTV has built in goodies to reportedly automatically cut the commercials and allow for sharing over broadband connecitons, though I've never looked into specifics of this, as I'm not in the market for such a machine. TiVO I have heard runs on a Linux system - and many have hacked it and installed larger HD's and configured it to use their broadband connections vs. its normal dialup. ---Greg "When it gets to Holodec levels, I'm never leaving" _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From freebsd at maneuveringspeed.com Sat Apr 20 16:10:47 2002 From: freebsd at maneuveringspeed.com (Greg Long) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 09:10:47 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] I should cap THIS - Virus on our local cable bulletin channel? Message-ID: <003401c1e885$f1e62210$6701a8c0@endeavor> Klamath Falls Charter Channel 3 has its banner announcements, with the soundtrack of NPR, is apparently running on a Win2000 possibly 9x/Me machine. It has a virus, and a large Norton notification has popped up - though the name of the virus is difficult to read. The taskbar is visible, though it's pretty plain jane (no offense to anyone named "Jane"). A Critical Update Notification also just worked its way in. I'd take a screen shot, but right now I have more important things to do - like staying in bed on a Saturday morning :) ---Greg From allyn at well.com Sat Apr 20 16:59:33 2002 From: allyn at well.com (Mark Allyn) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household In-Reply-To: <3CC099EB.9020405@sun.com> Message-ID: I have one of the olympus cameras that has a memory card. Under windows, you stick the memory card into what appears to be a floppy and then put that into the floppy drive. There was software running under windows that was able to use the device that looked like a floppy. Do any of you know if there is anything under linux that would be able to use the floppy shaped memory card readers? Thanks Mark From galens at seitzassoc.com Sat Apr 20 17:28:29 2002 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:28:29 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] relay testing, and a question about nmap Message-ID: <200204201728.g3KHSTP27401@tinman.seitzassoc.com> Many of you may already be aware of this, but here's a message about how you can test your mail server for open relaying. In a similar vein, what are the best switches to use with nmap when scanning your own machines? nmap has many options, but many of them seem to be oriented to hiding the scan. thanks, galen ------- Forwarded Message Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:58:52 -0500 From: Chip Rosenthal To: Galen Johnson Cc: postfix-users at postfix.org Subject: Re: relay testing On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 12:00:09PM -0400, Galen Johnson wrote: > is there a tool or site that can do a realtime test to see if you are open > for relay? tool: http://www.unicom.com/sw/rlytest/ site: http://www.abuse.net/relay.html - -- Chip Rosenthal http://www.unicom.com/ Lawsuit Update: I Win, Domain Hijackers Lose http://save.unicom.com/ Info on the new Yahoo Spam Policy http://www.unicom.com/yahoo-hearts-spam/ - - To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo at postfix.org with content (not subject): unsubscribe postfix-users ------- End of Forwarded Message From codeyeti at yahoo.com Sat Apr 20 17:33:12 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:33:12 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] relay testing, and a question about nmap References: <200204201728.g3KHSTP27401@tinman.seitzassoc.com> Message-ID: <3CC1A656.438B036E@yahoo.com> Hehe... use the -o option to see what operating system you're running. Galen Seitz wrote: > Many of you may already be aware of this, but here's a message about how > you can test your mail server for open relaying. > > In a similar vein, what are the best switches to use with nmap when > scanning your own machines? nmap has many options, but many of them > seem to be oriented to hiding the scan. > > thanks, > galen -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas Fucking Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From barkingcorndog at attbi.com Sat Apr 20 17:50:27 2002 From: barkingcorndog at attbi.com (josh) Date: 20 Apr 2002 10:50:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Qpopper Problem Message-ID: <1019325028.28532.16.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org> I'm sure someone here has some experience with qpopper. I am trying to install it on my RH7.2 system and when doing 'make install', I get teh error: /usr/bin/install -c -m 0644 -o root ./man/popper.8 /usr/local/man/man8/ /usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file '/usr/local/man/man8/': is a directory make: *** [install] Error 1 Can anyone give me a clue how to fix it? thanks, josh From sean_whitney at bigfoot.com Sat Apr 20 17:57:03 2002 From: sean_whitney at bigfoot.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:57:03 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household In-Reply-To: <87wuv2dg87.fsf@maas-neotek.attbi.com> References: <87wuv2dg87.fsf@maas-neotek.attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020420175704.C06B3C4EA@max.seansdomain.org> Also check out here for Maha Prices. http://www.bills2way.com/equip/maha_list.html#maha_cell Sean On Friday 19 April 2002 23:41, you hammered at the keyboard: > Jeme A Brelin writes: > > I HIGHLY recommend the work of Maha Electronics: > > > > > > You can get "the mother of all chargers" with a pile of excellent > > batteries for less than fifty bucks: > > > > Ham Radio Outlet in Tigard (behind the Arby's at 99W and 217) has > Maha, also called PowerEx. > > -ross > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- This here's the wattle, The emblem of our land. You can stick it in a bottle; You can hold it in your hand. Amen! -- Monty Python From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Sat Apr 20 19:15:22 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 12:15:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] relay testing, and a question about nmap In-Reply-To: <3CC1A656.438B036E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Actually you use -O (capital letter o) to see the OS fingerprint. For a general scan of my own network I use: nmap -v -v -sT -sU -O -oN logfile 192.168.*.* This does an uber-verbose(-v -v) TCP connect(-sT) UDP(-sU) OS fingerprinted(-O) scan of 192.168.*.* and logs it to a normal text logfile(-oN logfile). -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Michael Smith Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:33 AM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] relay testing, and a question about nmap Hehe... use the -o option to see what operating system you're running. Galen Seitz wrote: > Many of you may already be aware of this, but here's a message about how > you can test your mail server for open relaying. > > In a similar vein, what are the best switches to use with nmap when > scanning your own machines? nmap has many options, but many of them > seem to be oriented to hiding the scan. > > thanks, > galen -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas Fucking Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From jeme at brelin.net Sat Apr 20 20:42:44 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 13:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Mark Allyn wrote: > Under windows, you stick the memory card into what appears to be a > floppy and then put that into the floppy drive. There was software > running under windows that was able to use the device that looked like > a floppy. > > Do any of you know if there is anything under linux that would be able > to use the floppy shaped memory card readers? Before there were inexpensive SmartMedia card readers, I looked into that floppy adapter. It was wholly proprietary, last I checked. I don't think there's support in Linux for it. Interestingly, I theorized an identical device about ten years ago. OK, maybe it's only interesting to me. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sat Apr 20 21:22:18 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Qpopper Problem In-Reply-To: <1019325028.28532.16.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org> Message-ID: On 20 Apr 2002, josh wrote: > I'm sure someone here has some experience with qpopper. I am trying to > install it on my RH7.2 system and when doing 'make install', I get teh > error: > > /usr/bin/install -c -m 0644 -o root ./man/popper.8 /usr/local/man/man8/ > /usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file '/usr/local/man/man8/': is > a directory > make: *** [install] Error 1 > > Can anyone give me a clue how to fix it? If you're running the build as you, the user, you probably don't have write permissions to /usr/local/man. Try building as root. Rich From barkingcorndog2 at attbi.com Sat Apr 20 21:32:10 2002 From: barkingcorndog2 at attbi.com (josh) Date: 20 Apr 2002 14:32:10 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Qpopper Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1019338330.28644.20.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org> On Sat, 2002-04-20 at 14:22, Rich Shepard wrote: > If you're running the build as you, the user, you probably don't have > write permissions to /usr/local/man. Try building as root. > > Rich I'm building as root when I get the error. -josh From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sat Apr 20 21:44:06 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Qpopper Problem In-Reply-To: <1019338330.28644.20.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org> Message-ID: On 20 Apr 2002, josh wrote: > I'm building as root when I get the error. Oh. It still lookls suspiciously like a permissions problem. Except ... why's the Makefile trying to build a source (or install it during the build) in a man directory? I thought that's where the docs are placed when you run 'make install'. Strange -- and I'm out of ideas, Rich From wcooley at nakedape.cc Sat Apr 20 23:50:42 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 16:50:42 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Qpopper Problem In-Reply-To: <1019325028.28532.16.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org>; from barkingcorndog@attbi.com on Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 10:50:27AM -0700 References: <1019325028.28532.16.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <20020420165042.O25965@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach josh on Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 10:50:27AM PDT > I'm sure someone here has some experience with qpopper. I am trying to > install it on my RH7.2 system and when doing 'make install', I get teh > error: > > /usr/bin/install -c -m 0644 -o root ./man/popper.8 /usr/local/man/man8/ > /usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file '/usr/local/man/man8/': is > a directory > make: *** [install] Error 1 > > Can anyone give me a clue how to fix it? ln -s /usr/local/share/man /usr/local/man /usr/local/man is deprecated in favor of /usr/local/share/man, but the qpopper Makefiles haven't been updated to support it. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Except ... > why's the Makefile trying to build a source (or install it during the > build) in a man directory? > > I thought that's where the docs are placed when you run 'make install'. > > Strange -- and I'm out of ideas, > > Rich > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Sun Apr 21 02:52:41 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 19:52:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Microsoft Does It Again References: Message-ID: XP has IE 6 by default. If you did an upgrade and still have IE 5.5, maybe that is what is causing the problem. Robert "Anthony Schlemmer" wrote in message news:mailman.1019236049.9525.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > Sadly I see this behavior on my wife's new XP box with IE 5.5. I was > checking for the latest updates for XP and then boom...The next thing I > know the system was rebooting. Once XP recovered a little error dialog > appears saying that Windows had a serious problem and allows some sort > of error report to be sent to Microsoft. > > So now Microsoft can now claim no more BSOD with XP. My wife's system > has a removable IDE hard drive setup and we also have Win2K running on > the same hardware. I find Win2K to be far more stable than XP > professional. I did manage a couple of BSOD with Win2K when I was first > installing it but since I upgraded the ATI video drivers Win2K has been > quite stable. > > For our firewalling and printer/file sharing Linux and Samba have been > great for us. We've never have had any problems with any of our Linux > boxes crashing and we have run them 24/7 since we first setup our > network. > > Tony > > On Friday 19 April 2002 08:49 am, you wrote: > > Occasionally, I get an email from CNET about the new articles on > > their website, & usually I delete them after a brief glance. But the > > latest one I received piqued my curiousity: > > > > ``Windows XP Nightmares -- > > http://home.cnet.com/software/0-6688749-8-9696202-1.html" > > > > So I had a quick read. The article mentions three big complaints, the > > first being as follows: > > > > ``The nightmare > > From time to time, when I open an Excel spreadsheet, my XP machine > > reboots. There's no warning. The system just hangs for a couple of > > seconds, then the PC starts up as if I had just switched it on or hit > > the reset button. Do ghosts live in this machine, or is Microsoft > > trying to lower the country's productivity?" > > > > And what is the cause? According to CNET, ``Whenever the OS > > encounters a Stop Error--the kind that, in earlier editions of > > Windows, resulted in the dreaded blue screen of death--the system > > automatically reboots." So in other words, since you're going to need > > to reboot anyway, Windows does it for you. And the article explains > > how do disable this in order to see the error message. > > > > Sigh. Since all MS appears capable of doing with this chronic problem > > is to change it's name every few years (once upon a time Windows > > users griped about GPFs), why can't they improve the error messages? > > Add some diagnostic information so that budding techies have a chance > > in hell of figuring this out? > > > > I know, I know, it'd probably give away some MS intellectual property > > if they offerd useful error messages. > > > > Geoff > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- > Anthony Schlemmer > aschlemm at attbi.com > From vanclan at teleport.com Sun Apr 21 05:02:14 2002 From: vanclan at teleport.com (Vanderveens) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 22:02:14 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What happened to Linux clinic? References: Message-ID: <3CC247D6.31A2CE88@teleport.com> I dutifully dragged my poor old Penguin-packed Pentium II-266 from Hillsboro to Palatine Hill today, to attend the Linux Clinic and see what we could do for its sick, maladjusted video card. Unfortunately, the only person I found at Riverdale School was a librarian, who, although very friendly and helpful, and even somewhat knowledgeable about what Linux was, was not able to help diagnose my poor video woes. After checking and rechecking that today was indeed the third Saturday of April, and that the time was well within the range of 1 PM - 4 PM, I turned around and went home. What happened to the Linux Clinic today? I didn't see any related messages on the PLUG mailing list, nor did I see any announcement on the relevant web page. Roger Vanderveen From sandy at herring.org Sun Apr 21 06:27:49 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:27:49 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] SpamAssassin vs. Razor In-Reply-To: <20020420021624.884FFC593C@dsl-209-162-216-78.easystreet.com>; from dgc@easystreet.com on Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 07:16:19PM -0700 References: <20020419183527.B24531@kippered.herring.org> <20020420021624.884FFC593C@dsl-209-162-216-78.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <20020420232749.A3188@kippered.herring.org> On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, dgc at easystreet.com wrote: > You don't have to choose between them; current versions of spamassassin > (I'm running version 2.20) use Razor as one of the tools to identify spam. > > dgc Got'm both installed & configured - and added the macro for mutt. Piece o' cake. Appears to be working well. cheers, Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From galens at seitzassoc.com Sun Apr 21 16:28:03 2002 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:28:03 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What happened to Linux clinic? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 20 Apr 2002 22:02:14 PDT." <3CC247D6.31A2CE88@teleport.com> Message-ID: <200204211628.g3LGS3P08905@tinman.seitzassoc.com> vanclan at teleport.com said: > What happened to the Linux Clinic today? I didn't see any related > messages on the PLUG mailing list, nor did I see any announcement on > the relevant web page. There was a message sent to the list earlier. Very sorry you missed. I would find the message for you, but I don't know how to search the archives. Now that the web interface to the lists is mailman, how does one search the archives? galen From griffint at pobox.com Sun Apr 21 16:33:32 2002 From: griffint at pobox.com (Terry Griffin) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:33:32 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What happened to Linux clinic? In-Reply-To: <3CC247D6.31A2CE88@teleport.com> References: <3CC247D6.31A2CE88@teleport.com> Message-ID: <200204211633.g3LGXQEH004634@mail3.aracnet.com> After showing up there myself, I found a cancellation announcment in the PLUG-announce archives. These announcments really should be sent to the main list as well. I used to be subscribed to PLUG-announce but I must have been lost in the transfer to the new list server. Terry On Saturday 20 April 2002 10:02 pm, Roger Vanderveen wrote: > I dutifully dragged my poor old Penguin-packed Pentium II-266 from > Hillsboro to Palatine Hill today, to attend the Linux Clinic and see what > we could do for its sick, maladjusted video card. Unfortunately, the only > person I found at Riverdale School was a librarian, who, although very > friendly and helpful, and even somewhat knowledgeable about what Linux was, > was not able to help diagnose my poor video woes. After checking and > rechecking that today was indeed the third Saturday of April, and that the > time was well within the range of 1 PM - 4 PM, I turned around and went > home. > > What happened to the Linux Clinic today? I didn't see any related messages > on the PLUG mailing list, nor did I see any announcement on the relevant > web page. > > Roger Vanderveen > From kens at cad2cam.com Sun Apr 21 16:42:50 2002 From: kens at cad2cam.com (Kenneth G. Stephens) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:42:50 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. Message-ID: Steve Dunn's column in the Metro Section this Sunday's Oregonian (www.oregonian.com) chronicles Micro$oft's way of promoting open source. Ken Stephens dba CAD 2 CAM. 8350 SW 52nd Avenue, Portland, OR 97219-3314 503-245-2371, www.cad2cam.com From kens at cad2cam.com Sun Apr 21 16:55:27 2002 From: kens at cad2cam.com (Kenneth G. Stephens) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:55:27 -0700 Subject: FW: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. Message-ID: Our own Eric Harrison and Paul Nelson are mentioned with the LK12TSP. Good Job. > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Kenneth G. Stephens > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:43 AM > To: Plug at Pdxlinux. Org > Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. > > > Steve Dunn's column in the Metro Section this Sunday's Oregonian > (www.oregonian.com) chronicles Micro$oft's way of promoting open > source. > > Ken Stephens dba > CAD 2 CAM. > 8350 SW 52nd Avenue, Portland, OR 97219-3314 > 503-245-2371, www.cad2cam.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sun Apr 21 17:19:36 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Kenneth G. Stephens wrote: > Steve Dunn's column in the Metro Section this Sunday's Oregonian > (www.oregonian.com) chronicles Micro$oft's way of promoting open > source. After taking on the Texas Department of Corrections (and the City of Austin), they're now targeting the nine largest school districts in Oregon and the 14 largest in Washington. According to Duin, the common factor of these districts is their istallation of linux in at least some of their schools and other offices. The almost-casual mention of Paul and Eric toward the bottom of the column (and the adoption of K12LTSP -- the acronym is probably incorrect -- in 5,000 schools) does offer hope that that number will triple or quadruple this year. It will be interesting to watch and see if Microsoft ends up making hamburger from its cash cow. Rich From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Sun Apr 21 19:24:10 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:24:10 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. References: Message-ID: I was unable to find it online, but when it appears it should be listed here: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/ Robert "Kenneth G. Stephens" wrote in message news:mailman.1019407397.3140.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > Steve Dunn's column in the Metro Section this Sunday's Oregonian > (www.oregonian.com) chronicles Micro$oft's way of promoting open > source. > > Ken Stephens dba > CAD 2 CAM. > 8350 SW 52nd Avenue, Portland, OR 97219-3314 > 503-245-2371, www.cad2cam.com > > > From m at netpro.to Sun Apr 21 21:16:49 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 14:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Cold Fusion and MySQL on Linux? Message-ID: I installed Cold Fusion on a Linux server, but so far I've been unable to configure things to use a MySQL database. Has anyone on this list done this before? I could use some guidance here... Thanks, ~M From srau at rauhaus.org Sun Apr 21 23:32:06 2002 From: srau at rauhaus.org (Stafford A. Rau) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:32:06 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] relay testing, and a question about nmap In-Reply-To: References: <3CC1A656.438B036E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020421233206.GA19419@rauhaus.org> * sendai [020420 13:07]: > Actually you use -O (capital letter o) to see the OS fingerprint. For a > general scan of my own network I use: > > nmap -v -v -sT -sU -O -oN logfile 192.168.*.* > > This does an uber-verbose(-v -v) TCP connect(-sT) UDP(-sU) OS > fingerprinted(-O) scan of 192.168.*.* and logs it to a normal text > logfile(-oN logfile). I would add "-p 1-" to that. By default, nmap only scans ports 1-1024, plus whatever ones are included in its services file. The "-p 1-" means scan all ports from 1 to 65535. --Stafford From alan at clueserver.org Mon Apr 22 01:50:09 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:50:09 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] [OT] Sony Vaio port replicator In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020419122618.03042040@mail.attbi.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020419122618.03042040@mail.attbi.com> Message-ID: <200204211850.09421.alan@clueserver.org> On Friday 19 April 2002 12:27 pm, Brent Washburne wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get a discontinued Sony product? It's a port > replicator for a notebook computer, part number PCGA-PRF1A. TIA, Which Vaio is that for? I may need to get one ASAP... (I keep putting it off.) From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 22 04:35:49 2002 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] What happened to Linux clinic? In-Reply-To: <3CC247D6.31A2CE88@teleport.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Vanderveens wrote: >What happened to the Linux Clinic today? I didn't see any related messages on the PLUG mailing list, nor did I see any announcement >on the relevant web page. A message went out, but from the number of emails it looks like it would have helped if it was sent out a number of times. Schedule conflicts cause us to miss about one a year. Yesterday Paul Nelson and I were asked to give a presentation at a state-wide education conference. As you can guess from today's Oregonian editorial, there's a lot going on right now that requires our attention ;-) -Eric From greg at maneuveringspeed.com Mon Apr 22 04:56:37 2002 From: greg at maneuveringspeed.com (Greg Long) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:56:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Classic Gaming site / Computer History Message-ID: <002101c1e9ba$1982dcc0$6701a8c0@endeavor> www.classicgaming.com Many expressed interest in my earlier post about the History Channel's Modern Marvels special on the history of video games. This site has emulators, a "museum", and other stuff of historical interest. Many different host platforms (DOS, Linux/Unix, Win32, MacOS) are supported by the different emulators - whether you used to play Atari, Commodore 64, gameboy, or Odessy, or the arcade consoles. See also www.computerhistory.org as a good source of general computer history. I had no idea that hard disk drives actually date back to 1956 - my hunch would have been mid-1970's. Greg From mikedela at ipns.com Mon Apr 22 05:00:05 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:00:05 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What happened to Linux clinic? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: First thing first- Thanks for having the clinic, guys. It's been quite a resource for many people, including me. Is it possible that the message didn't make it make it out to the general list? I'm current and did not see an announcement either. If it only went out to the announce list, here's a first for having all of the liste that the list had begged for so long for. On a slightly related note, is there anything I can do to help get the site up and the archives searchable? One of the things a searchable is good for is to keep the repeat questions down... Mike 4/21/02 9:35:49 PM, Eric Harrison wrote: >On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Vanderveens wrote: > >>What happened to the Linux Clinic today? I didn't see any related messages on the PLUG mailing list, nor did I see any announcement >>on the relevant web page. > >A message went out, but from the number of emails it looks like it would have >helped if it was sent out a number of times. > >Schedule conflicts cause us to miss about one a year. Yesterday Paul Nelson >and I were asked to give a presentation at a state-wide education conference. > >As you can guess from today's Oregonian editorial, there's a lot going on >right now that requires our attention ;-) > >-Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ---------- Mike De La Mater Mike De La Mater Consulting mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Sun Apr 21 22:05:56 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (D. Cooper Stevenson) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:05:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] CD Insert Program Message-ID: <20020421150556.A1348@coopie.coopnkass.com> All; Here's a great Web-Based CD jewel case creator that I found. You just fill out the online form, submit, and viola! Instant CD cover for you to print out! Here's the link, of course the source code is available: http://www.aczone.com/tools/cdinsert/ -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper.stevenson at wahchang.com UNIX Administrator |PH: (541)791-1322 Telledyne Wah Chang |FAX: (541)924-6895 ------------------------------------------------------ From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Sun Apr 21 22:14:24 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (D. Cooper Stevenson) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:14:24 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] CD Jewel Case Creator Message-ID: <20020421151424.A1407@linux-enterprise.net> All; Here's a great Web-Based CD jewel case creator that I found. You just fill out the online form, submit, and viola! Instant CD cover for you to print out! Here's the link, of course the source code is available: http://www.aczone.com/tools/cdinsert/ -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper.stevenson at wahchang.com UNIX Administrator |PH: (541)791-1322 Telledyne Wah Chang |FAX: (541)924-6895 ------------------------------------------------------ From lynnming at yahoo.com Mon Apr 22 05:36:35 2002 From: lynnming at yahoo.com (Lynn Yuan) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Cold Fusion and MySQL on Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020422053635.41904.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Matt, We use CF 4.51 Professional SP2 on Redhat 6.2 with Apache 1.3.14 and MySql. Unfortunately, I did not set it us, we inherrited the servers. However, I amy be able to help with some tips. Have you set up the admin pages on CF? http://localhost/administrator/index.cfm Have you configured Apache for MySQL and CF? Lynn --- Matt Alexander wrote: > I installed Cold Fusion on a Linux server, but so > far I've been unable to > configure things to use a MySQL database. Has > anyone on this list done > this before? I could use some guidance here... > Thanks, > ~M > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From rob at euglug.net Mon Apr 22 06:27:08 2002 From: rob at euglug.net (Rob Hudson) Date: 21 Apr 2002 23:27:08 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Postfix & Mailman Message-ID: <1019456828.10665.118.camel@fuggles> It's been a while since I've been on the list, but I remembered there were many Postfix users here, so I'm joining again. I'm setting up Mailman on a debian machine, with Postfix as it's MTA. I've got most of it set up, I created a list, and subscribed myself to it via the web interface. I cannot get Postfix to accept the mail to the listname-request@ address. I've tried the following: /etc/postfix/virtuals.proto: # Beer beer at euglug.org beer beer-admin at euglug.org beer-admin beer-request at euglug.org beer-request beer-owner at euglug.org beer-owner /etc/aliases: ## beer mailing list ## created: 19-Apr-2002 root beer: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post beer" beer-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner beer" beer-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd beer" beer-owner: beer-admin I found a website that recommends this: You need to setup another name for the same machine, say, lists.domain.com, and use Postfix's transport maps to use "local" for that. Once that's done you're good to go, since local will process your aliases just fine. Can anyone explain how to do this? Also, with the above setup (virtuals/aliases), sending to beer-request at euglug.org shows this in the mail.log: Apr 21 23:26:36 tux postfix/smtp[13443]: EB072BD: to=, relay=mail.euglug.net[207.189.131.4], delay=12, status=sent (250 ok 1019456438 qp 11886) I'm not sure why it changes the .org to a .net. My postfix server shows it going to the correct address: Apr 21 23:20:30 saaz postfix/smtp[32911]: 721CE1A1BD: to=, relay=mail.euglug.org[207.189.137.45], delay=1, status=sent (250 Ok: queued as EB072BD) Tips, advice, links, etc are much appreciated. Thanks, Rob From alan at batie.org Mon Apr 22 07:48:14 2002 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:48:14 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: Classic Gaming site / Computer History In-Reply-To: <002101c1e9ba$1982dcc0$6701a8c0@endeavor> References: <002101c1e9ba$1982dcc0$6701a8c0@endeavor> Message-ID: <20020422004814.C12277@agora.rdrop.com> On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 09:56:37PM -0700, Greg Long wrote: > I had no idea that hard disk drives actually date back to 1956 > - my hunch would have been mid-1970's. I was *using* computers with hard disks in the mid-1970's... In fact, I have the platter from one of them downstairs. It's a 26" platter from a 600MB drive on a CDC 3300 mainframe that dates to the late 50's or early 60's. There were two spindles of 36 platters in a cabinet about 8'w x 3'd x 6'h (might have been a little higher, my memories are vague). The head reads 6 tracks at once (makes sense since it was a 24 bit machine that used 6bit "bytes"); you can see the little rectangles for the read heads about 1mm apart or so in a about 3/4" square metal block. I also have a plane of core memory from it --- 4KB about 10" square and a half inch thick. It was decommissioned about the time I graduated from OSU and I was working at the computer center at the time and lucked into a few pieces. It ran a virtual memory operating system written at OSU; my memory is vague, it seems like it had 128K memory, but I remember user mode programs could address 32K because the instruction set used 15bit indexing. It would start bogging down with around 25-30 users and played a great game of super star trek. -- Alan Batie ______ www.rdrop.com/users/alan Me alan at batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ razor.sourceforge.net NO SPAM! 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This thread reminded me that I don't have pictures of this equipment online, so I remedied that: http://www.rdrop.com/users/alan/photos/nikon/020422-computer-museum/ Pick a resolution and it will link through the pictures in sequence with some descriptions, including a couple items I didn't mention here. Alas, I have no pictures of the actual computer this stuff came out of. -- Alan Batie ______ www.rdrop.com/users/alan Me alan at batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ razor.sourceforge.net NO SPAM! "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Ben Franklin) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The timetable and terms are not practical. There is nothing to indicate that the employees of our school system have done anything wrong. The only apparent motivation for Microsoft to make this request is to twist the arms of the people who make the decision about adopting the Microsoft School Agreement. What can be done to combat this corporate blackmail and extortion? Sincerely, Michael Rasmussen -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin But keep in mind: The three laws of thermodynamics: (1) You can't get anything without working for it. (2) The most you can accomplish by working is to break even. (3) You can only break even at absolute zero. From zot at whiteknighthackers.com Mon Apr 22 16:40:44 2002 From: zot at whiteknighthackers.com (Zot O'Connor) Date: 22 Apr 2002 09:40:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Postfix & Mailman In-Reply-To: <1019456828.10665.118.camel@fuggles> References: <1019456828.10665.118.camel@fuggles> Message-ID: <1019493644.2079.44.camel@kat.zotnet.com> Mine is setup a bit different In main.cf I point to a local file for domains (like sendmail.cw) main.cf:mydestination=$myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $mydomain, /etc/postfix/domains. domains then list the domains I accept mail for, one domain per line. I then have a user "lists" that alias adds to: main.cf:alias_maps = hash:/home/lists/aliases, hash:/etc/postfix/aliases So in this all mailing lists become valid at all domains. If I wanted to fix that I would use virtual: main.cf:virtual_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual.postfix And add to that listnam at list.domain |blah On Sun, 2002-04-21 at 23:27, Rob Hudson wrote: > It's been a while since I've been on the list, but I remembered there > were many Postfix users here, so I'm joining again. > > I'm setting up Mailman on a debian machine, with Postfix as it's MTA. > I've got most of it set up, I created a list, and subscribed myself to > it via the web interface. I cannot get Postfix to accept the mail to > the listname-request@ address. > > I've tried the following: > > /etc/postfix/virtuals.proto: > # Beer > beer at euglug.org beer > beer-admin at euglug.org beer-admin > beer-request at euglug.org beer-request > beer-owner at euglug.org beer-owner > > /etc/aliases: > ## beer mailing list > ## created: 19-Apr-2002 root > beer: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post beer" > beer-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner beer" > beer-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd beer" > beer-owner: beer-admin > > I found a website that recommends this: > > You need to setup another name for the same machine, say, > lists.domain.com, and use Postfix's transport maps to use "local" for > that. Once that's done you're good to go, since local will process your > aliases just fine. > > Can anyone explain how to do this? > > Also, with the above setup (virtuals/aliases), sending to > beer-request at euglug.org shows this in the mail.log: > > Apr 21 23:26:36 tux postfix/smtp[13443]: EB072BD: > to=, relay=mail.euglug.net[207.189.131.4], > delay=12, status=sent (250 ok 1019456438 qp 11886) > > I'm not sure why it changes the .org to a .net. My postfix server shows > it going to the correct address: > > Apr 21 23:20:30 saaz postfix/smtp[32911]: 721CE1A1BD: > to=, relay=mail.euglug.org[207.189.137.45], > delay=1, status=sent (250 Ok: queued as EB072BD) > > Tips, advice, links, etc are much appreciated. > > Thanks, > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com From rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com Mon Apr 22 16:39:02 2002 From: rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:39:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B045@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> > From: Robert [mailto:RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:24 PM > http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/ The column is not on line yet. I just called OregonLive and a Karen took my email address and promised to get back to me in an hour. -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From danh at fork.com Mon Apr 22 16:43:59 2002 From: danh at fork.com (Dan Haskell) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] What happened to Linux clinic? In-Reply-To: <200204211633.g3LGXQEH004634@mail3.aracnet.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Terry Griffin wrote: > After showing up there myself, I found a cancellation announcment in the > PLUG-announce archives. > > These announcments really should be sent to the main list as well. I used to > be subscribed to PLUG-announce but I must have been lost in the transfer to > the new list server. Sorry, my bad. I'll send it to both lists in the future. Dan From codeyeti at yahoo.com Mon Apr 22 16:47:33 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:47:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. References: Message-ID: <3CC43EA4.391E37C@yahoo.com> http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/all_wire_stories/101386428029222529.xml -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas Fucking Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From danh at fork.com Mon Apr 22 16:49:51 2002 From: danh at fork.com (Dan Haskell) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] What happened to Linux clinic? In-Reply-To: <3CC247D6.31A2CE88@teleport.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Vanderveens wrote: > What happened to the Linux Clinic today? I didn't see any related > messages on the PLUG mailing list, nor did I see any announcement on > the relevant web page. Apologies. I sent a message out to the announce list. It used to be (I think) that messages sent to announce were posted to both lists. That's definitely not true now. Sorry for your wasted trip. We definitely will be there next month, if it's any help. :) Dan From m at netpro.to Mon Apr 22 16:58:25 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Cold Fusion and MySQL on Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020422053635.41904.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I managed to finally get it working. It took longer than I originally wanted to spend on this, but I learned a helluvalot in the process (which is really a good thing, in the big picture). ColdFusion 5 has a Merant MySQL driver, but I couldn't get it to work, and I found a couple of newsgroup postings about others complaining about the same thing. So, I had to setup MyODBC (http://www.mysql.org/downloads/api-myodbc-2.50.html) and I had to setup iODBC (http://www.iodbc.org). Next, I edited the odbc.ini file in the coldfusion directory to point to the mysql driver, and I was up and running after configuring the DNC in the CF Administrator. ~M On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Lynn Yuan wrote: > Dear Matt, > > We use CF 4.51 Professional SP2 on Redhat 6.2 with > Apache 1.3.14 and MySql. Unfortunately, I did not set > it us, we inherrited the servers. However, I amy be > able to help with some tips. > > Have you set up the admin pages on CF? > > http://localhost/administrator/index.cfm > > Have you configured Apache for MySQL and CF? > > Lynn > > > > --- Matt Alexander wrote: > > I installed Cold Fusion on a Linux server, but so > > far I've been unable to > > configure things to use a MySQL database. Has > > anyone on this list done > > this before? I could use some guidance here... > > Thanks, > > ~M > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From zot at whiteknighthackers.com Mon Apr 22 17:04:39 2002 From: zot at whiteknighthackers.com (Zot O'Connor) Date: 22 Apr 2002 10:04:39 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What happened to Linux clinic? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1019495080.2079.46.camel@kat.zotnet.com> Better the real list should be subscribed to the announcement lists. That would make it a one email process. On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 09:43, Dan Haskell wrote: > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Terry Griffin wrote: > > > After showing up there myself, I found a cancellation announcment in the > > PLUG-announce archives. > > > > These announcments really should be sent to the main list as well. I used to > > be subscribed to PLUG-announce but I must have been lost in the transfer to > > the new list server. > > Sorry, my bad. I'll send it to both lists in the future. > > Dan > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com From m at netpro.to Mon Apr 22 17:05:27 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Converting .asp to .php Message-ID: Got the "Software Assurance" blues? Well, convert all those pesky .asp files to .php, move your domains to a *nix box, and save ZILLIONS on licensing costs! http://asp2php.naken.cc/home.php We got a call from Microsoft the other day about what it's going to cost us for their new licensing model. As a direct result of that call, management wants me to convert as many of our systems over to Linux as possible. So needless to say, I'm one busy boy. But this isn't work to me. This is play. :-) ~M From m at netpro.to Mon Apr 22 17:15:51 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <3CC43EA4.391E37C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Damn... this really angers me. Alright boys and girls! We know what needs to be done! Start calling the IT departments and schools around you and let them know you're available to assist them with any Linux questions they might have. And if you're available to physically be there to assist them, please volunteer your time. Our students and teachers should not have to suffer just because Microsoft's profits are slowing down. ~M On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Michael Smith wrote: > http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/all_wire_stories/101386428029222529.xml > > -- > "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with > something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to > make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas > Fucking Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From rsteff at attbi.com Mon Apr 22 17:25:13 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:25:13 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: Micro$oft vs Schools was What happend to clinic References: Message-ID: <3CC44779.8617AAF3@attbi.com> Eric Harrison wrote: > Yesterday Paul Nelson > and I were asked to give a presentation at a state-wide education conference. > > As you can guess from today's Oregonian editorial, there's a lot going on > right now that requires our attention ;-) Is there anything we, as a group or as individuals, can do to help you? -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From iconoklastic at yahoo.com Mon Apr 22 17:27:47 2002 From: iconoklastic at yahoo.com (Robert Kopp) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Officejet 710 Message-ID: <20020422172747.95642.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> A friend of mine has been unable to get the Officejet 710 working with Linux, and it is not well-supported. Yet I've heard that it is possible to use it with Linux. Does anyone know where information is available on this issue? ===== Robert "Tim" Kopp http://analytic.tripod.com/ "SAMBA--opening Windows to a wider world." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 22 17:28:02 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > Damn... this really angers me. Alright boys and girls! We know what > needs to be done! Start calling the IT departments and schools around you > and let them know you're available to assist them with any Linux questions > they might have. And if you're available to physically be there to assist > them, please volunteer your time. Our students and teachers should not > have to suffer just because Microsoft's profits are slowing down. Matt, If I may be so bold, let me modify your suggestion to this: contact Paul Nelson at Riverdale School or Eric Harrison at MESD and volunteer to help them with the K12 Linux Project. They're up and running (and have been for at least a couple of years now) and are very successful. If you want to make a difference, work with them. Rich From rddunlap at osdl.org Mon Apr 22 17:32:03 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Officejet 710 In-Reply-To: <20020422172747.95642.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Robert Kopp wrote: | A friend of mine has been unable to get the Officejet | 710 working with Linux, and it is not well-supported. | Yet I've heard that it is possible to use it with | Linux. Does anyone know where information is available | on this issue? | ===== hpoj.sf.net lists the OJ 700 series as supported in parallel interface mode, but not USB, not JetDirect. -- ~Randy From m at netpro.to Mon Apr 22 17:55:46 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > Matt, > > If I may be so bold, let me modify your suggestion to this: contact Paul > Nelson at Riverdale School or Eric Harrison at MESD and volunteer to help > them with the K12 Linux Project. > > They're up and running (and have been for at least a couple of years now) > and are very successful. If you want to make a difference, work with them. Excellent point! It'd be much better for us to work together with an existing system that's proven itself to be very effective. ~M From longman at sharplabs.com Mon Apr 22 17:57:56 2002 From: longman at sharplabs.com (Longman, Bill) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:57:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. Message-ID: > > If I may be so bold, let me modify your suggestion to > this: contact Paul > > Nelson at Riverdale School or Eric Harrison at MESD and > volunteer to help > > them with the K12 Linux Project. > > > > They're up and running (and have been for at least a > couple of years now) > > and are very successful. If you want to make a difference, > work with them. > > Excellent point! It'd be much better for us to work together with an > existing system that's proven itself to be very effective. And for your convenience, here's the place to start: http://www.k12ltsp.org/ From alex at daniloff.com Mon Apr 22 18:19:47 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:19:47 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <3CC43EA4.391E37C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200204221819.g3MIJlc27815@gate.daniloff.com> Hello Linux folkz, It's a good article about predatory practice of M$, but isn't it true that most of the OR school districts are using Mac's rather than PC's? My daughter is in the first grade in Barnes school, and they have some computer introduction classes which are being taught using Mac's only. Just recently this school got rid of almost all remaining PC's. When I asked their network engineer about this matter, he replied that the school district got a pretty good deal with Apple. That is why they are building primarely Mac's networks within this school district. On my comment that most of the industry uses rather PC's than Mac's he just shroughed his shoulders. Alex ------------------- > http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf?/xml/sto ry.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/all_wire_stories/101386428029222529.xml > > -- > "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with > something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to > make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas > Fucking Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon > -- Ask American engineers how they created nuclear bombs, super sonic jets, rockets and hover crafts. First three inventions they stole from Germans, last one from Soviets. As well as an idea about space flights. From rseymour at spamcop.net Mon Apr 22 18:22:19 2002 From: rseymour at spamcop.net (Richard F Seymour) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:22:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Woody install question Message-ID: <3CC454DB.3010405@spamcop.net> I just went through a 27 disk floppy based install of woody on a laptop. Aside from "bad floppy" issues, all went pretty well. I did this twice actually. (I made a mistake on the partitioning scheme first time through). The second time though I forgot to set up PCMCIA and so I have no networking available to me. (After the first install, I had a working cardmgr and ethernet connections, so I know it can be made to work.) Now that I have the base system installed, is there any way to get back to the curses based part of the install that lets me set up PCMCIA? Or do I need to choose between (learning all about PCMCIA) or (reinstalling for a third time)? -- Oil can what? ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Richard Seymour, the Man Behind the Curtain CHEEP GEEKS Anarchy Software FREE GEEK From rddunlap at osdl.org Mon Apr 22 18:20:49 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <200204221819.g3MIJlc27815@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Alex Daniloff wrote: | Hello Linux folkz, | It's a good article about predatory practice of M$, but isn't it true | that most of the OR school districts are using Mac's rather than PC's? | | My daughter is in the first grade in Barnes school, and they have some | computer introduction classes which are being taught using Mac's | only. | Just recently this school got rid of almost all remaining PC's. | When I asked their network engineer about this matter, he replied that | the school district got a pretty good deal with Apple. That is why | they are building primarely Mac's networks within this school | district. | On my comment that most of the industry uses rather PC's than Mac's he | just shroughed his shoulders. Yes, and at my son's school they would rather use Macs than PCs. They know how to troubleshoot/repair Macs better. -- ~Randy From llywrch at agora.rdrop.com Mon Apr 22 18:25:22 2002 From: llywrch at agora.rdrop.com (Geoff Burling) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > It will be interesting to watch and see if Microsoft ends up making > hamburger from its cash cow. > The question is not ``if" but ``when". This has always been part of MS's business plan. (IIRC, one observer called this process, ``devouring your young.") For those of you who never watched MS operate in the DOS era, there were literally dozens of companies that wrote applications & utilities for DOS, & later Win 3.1. Very much like the floresence of software available on Freshmeat or SourceForge: there were some very good items out there, & a lot of crappy software (some of which made what MS produced look good in comparison). And slowly, MS drove out its competition thru acquisition, co-option or leveraging the fact they also wrote the OS all of these programs ran on. In short, MS devoured its young: took either its competitors' talent or its ideas & abosrbed them into MS Windows. It's been trying to do the same thing with the Internet -- which is the bottom line with it's .NET offering. Gates' & Co would be at their happiest if simply everyone with a computer sent them a blank check periodically. That way they could continue to meet their expected unsustainable growth rates -- which they can't do with their stagnant chokehold on the SOHO PC market, their dubious plurality of the server market, & negligible shares of the handheld & gaming platforms. Geoff From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 22 18:47:26 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Longman, Bill wrote: > And for your convenience, here's the place to start: > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/ ... and this page has a link to a Mac-flavored version. :-) Rich From codeyeti at yahoo.com Mon Apr 22 18:58:02 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:58:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. References: Message-ID: <3CC45D38.6D8E1816@yahoo.com> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/22/1719218&mode=thread&tid=109 -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas Fucking Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From heinlein at attbi.com Mon Apr 22 19:16:19 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <3CC45D38.6D8E1816@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Michael Smith wrote: > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/22/1719218&mode=thread&tid=109 Whoa. That link killed Mozilla (0.9.9), and killed it fast. Multiple times, too. Hmm. --Paul Heinlein From codeyeti at yahoo.com Mon Apr 22 19:31:54 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:31:54 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. References: Message-ID: <3CC46528.C0AB4989@yahoo.com> Dunno... it's straight out of slashdot. I am sending this off a mac, but I don't think that would do anything.... Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Michael Smith wrote: > > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/22/1719218&mode=thread&tid=109 > > Whoa. That link killed Mozilla (0.9.9), and killed it fast. Multiple > times, too. Hmm. > > --Paul Heinlein > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas Fucking Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From wcooley at nakedape.cc Mon Apr 22 19:33:48 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:33:48 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: ; from heinlein@attbi.com on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 12:16:19PM -0700 References: <3CC45D38.6D8E1816@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020422123348.S25965@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Paul Heinlein on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 12:16:19PM PDT > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Michael Smith wrote: > > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/22/1719218&mode=thread&tid=109 > > Whoa. That link killed Mozilla (0.9.9), and killed it fast. Multiple > times, too. Hmm. The linked-to comment says: "This would be a perfect time for some large linux distribution company, or a consulting company to step in and donate time to help them migrate entirely to Linux. It would have to be a disruptive migration because of the audit in 60 days threat but they could do it." And considering the size of the unemployed SIG and that volunteer time would probably be tax-deductible (anyone know?), this would be a use of the group's human resources. At least, that's fair observation from outside. So now the question is for Paul, Eric, et al is what can be done and what needs to be done? Is a wholesale exorcism of Microsoft software (not just the PCs, but the Macs too--remember, they're likely running Office) feasible? What can we do to organize our ranks to do this? This could be a big score for free software and our local community, but we'd have to be careful to not bungle it. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From longman at sharplabs.com Mon Apr 22 19:38:19 2002 From: longman at sharplabs.com (Longman, Bill) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:38:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. Message-ID: > And considering the size of the unemployed SIG and that volunteer > time would probably be tax-deductible (anyone know?), this would > be a use of the group's human resources. At least, that's > fair observation from outside. Volunteer time is NOT tax deductible. But mileage for driving to and from said volunteering location is, with the correct documentation. Get one of those permanent bound mileage books and track your mileage. > So now the question is for Paul, Eric, et al is what can be done and > what needs to be done? Is a wholesale exorcism of Microsoft software > (not just the PCs, but the Macs too--remember, they're likely running > Office) feasible? What can we do to organize our ranks to do this? > This could be a big score for free software and our local community, > but we'd have to be careful to not bungle it. > > Wil > -- > Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc > Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc > * Linux and Network Consulting * > irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs > From wcooley at nakedape.cc Mon Apr 22 20:00:51 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:00:51 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: ; from longman@sharplabs.com on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 12:38:19PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020422130051.A18848@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Longman, Bill on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 12:38:19PM PDT > > And considering the size of the unemployed SIG and that volunteer > > time would probably be tax-deductible (anyone know?), this would > > be a use of the group's human resources. At least, that's > > fair observation from outside. > > Volunteer time is NOT tax deductible. But mileage for driving to and from > said volunteering location is, with the correct documentation. Get one of > those permanent bound mileage books and track your mileage. Hm, yeah, you're right: http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/display/0,,i1=50&genericId=11920,00.html Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But mileage for driving to and from > said volunteering location is, with the correct documentation. Get one of > those permanent bound mileage books and track your mileage. Woohoo! I got dibs on supporting the Ashland school district! ;-) From wcooley at nakedape.cc Mon Apr 22 20:22:27 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:22:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 01:16:01PM -0700 References: <3CC45D38.6D8E1816@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020422132227.B18848@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Rich Shepard on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 01:16:01PM PDT > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Michael Smith wrote: > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/22/1719218&mode=thread&tid=109 > I may well be wrong, but I believe this article has it wrong: the > Portland School District is *not* a MESD participant. It is the > former, not the latter to which Duin's column referred. Eric will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he told me it wasn't but now it is. I seem to recall him lamenting the difficulties of taking over the PSD some meetings ago. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave at pakled.mmcc.cx Mon Apr 22 20:27:50 2002 From: dave at pakled.mmcc.cx (Dave) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:27:50 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Woody install question In-Reply-To: <3CC454DB.3010405@spamcop.net> References: <3CC454DB.3010405@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <1019507270.3cc472466eb5a@192.168.1.15> Quoting Richard F Seymour : > I just went through a 27 disk floppy based install of woody on a laptop. > Aside from "bad floppy" issues, all went pretty well. > > I did this twice actually. (I made a mistake on the partitioning scheme > first time through). 27? Harsh. Assuming you have a broadband connection, woody (and most other debian installs) has a netinst floppy set, some five or six disks, which installs cardmgr and such and then apt-get's the rest of the distro from some Remote Source. Maybe not as fast as floppies(?) but far easier. And upgradable! Check around the images/ directory for netinst, or similarly named. I got, long, ago, a potatoe install working this way on a 3com pcmcia card. -Dave From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 22 20:26:50 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] WOT: Any postage stamp collectors here? Message-ID: Way Off Topic: I received an airmail package from Australia today. Very attractive stamps. If you collect 'em, or know anyone who does, please contact me off the list and I'll get them to you. Rich From tjg at craigelachie.org Mon Apr 22 20:42:24 2002 From: tjg at craigelachie.org (Timothy Grant) Date: 22 Apr 2002 13:42:24 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] WOT: Any postage stamp collectors here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1019508146.858.3.camel@reepicheep> My folks tried to get me into stamps when I was very young, but it just never clicked with me. However, if you get any comic books from Australia, please let me know! On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 13:26, Rich Shepard wrote: > Way Off Topic: I received an airmail package from Australia today. Very > attractive stamps. If you collect 'em, or know anyone who does, please > contact me off the list and I'll get them to you. > > Rich > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Stand Fast, tjg. Timothy Grant www.craigelachie.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I got, > long, ago, a potatoe install working this way on a 3com pcmcia card. Hmmm... nothing there similarly named in either woody or potato. But I really don't want to resort to another install. Is there a way to get into the install process and just do the step(s) I left out? -- Oil can what? ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Richard Seymour, the Man Behind the Curtain CHEEP GEEKS Anarchy Software FREE GEEK From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 22 20:53:24 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <20020422132227.B18848@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Wil Cooley wrote: > Eric will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he told me it wasn't > but now it is. I seem to recall him lamenting the difficulties of > taking over the PSD some meetings ago. Ah! I hadn't heard that well-deserved lament. Rich From dbridges at austin.rr.com Mon Apr 22 20:57:06 2002 From: dbridges at austin.rr.com (David Bridges) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:57:06 -0500 Subject: [PLUG] Woody install question In-Reply-To: <3CC47603.6070308@spamcop.net> References: <3CC454DB.3010405@spamcop.net> <1019507270.3cc472466eb5a@192.168.1.15> <3CC47603.6070308@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20020422205706.GB18806@austin.rr.com> > Hmmm... nothing there similarly named in either woody or potato. > > But I really don't want to resort to another install. > > Is there a way to get into the install process and just do the step(s) I > left out? I'm not sure it is exactly what you need but you can do the base config again bu running /usr/sbin/base-config -- David From richard.langis at sun.com Mon Apr 22 21:08:27 2002 From: richard.langis at sun.com (Richard Langis) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:08:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Woody install question References: <3CC454DB.3010405@spamcop.net> <1019507270.3cc472466eb5a@192.168.1.15> <3CC47603.6070308@spamcop.net> <20020422205706.GB18806@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <3CC47BCB.4090408@sun.com> David Bridges wrote: >>Hmmm... nothing there similarly named in either woody or potato. >> >>But I really don't want to resort to another install. >> >>Is there a way to get into the install process and just do the step(s) I >>left out? >> > > I'm not sure it is exactly what you need but you can do the base config > again bu running > > /usr/sbin/base-config You could also find the appropriate .deb files on the floppies, and run dpkg to install them manually. However I would hazard a guess that the base-config method would definitely be the easiest route. -R From john at meissen.org Mon Apr 22 21:11:30 2002 From: john at meissen.org (John Meissen) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:11:30 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. References: <200204221819.g3MIJlc27815@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: <3CC47C82.A2E431C3@meissen.org> It depends on the district. Beaverton has a large installed base of Macs. Hillsboro, (probably because of Intel's presence) uses WinTel systems. Alex Daniloff wrote: > Hello Linux folkz, > It's a good article about predatory practice of M$, but isn't it true > that most of the OR school districts are using Mac's rather than PC's? > > My daughter is in the first grade in Barnes school, and they have some > computer introduction classes which are being taught using Mac's > only. From smathews at pcez.com Mon Apr 22 21:15:40 2002 From: smathews at pcez.com (Stuart Mathews) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:15:40 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$soft challenge... Message-ID: <3CC47D7C.2DC37773@pcez.com> So what exactly is involved in one of these audits? Is a school going to have to examine each of its systems, write down all software running on it, and report all the info back to myoursoft? Has any organization considered challenging MS on this? Perhaps Sun can ante up the cash to support a challenge. It all seems so unreasonable, even if it WAS in the origial contract. Also, how feasible would it be for a school district to wean itself of microsoft sfuff? From heinlein at attbi.com Mon Apr 22 21:40:16 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$soft challenge... In-Reply-To: <3CC47D7C.2DC37773@pcez.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Stuart Mathews wrote: > Has any organization considered challenging MS on this? Perhaps Sun > can ante up the cash to support a challenge. It all seems so > unreasonable, even if it WAS in the origial contract. The software-audit technique is (so far) perfectly legal and has been used elsewhere to great effect: http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-12/lw-12-vcontrol_2.html My take is that it's ultimately a *good* thing that Microsoft enforces its licenses and calls out the dogs for this sort of audit. Organizations will begin to realize how expensive proprietary software can be when they can no longer 1. upgrade from Windows 9x to some version of NT (NT 4, 2000, XP) on the sly, 2. copy MS Office willy-nilly onto computer after computer, 3. install MS Office at home using the CDs at work. Microsoft gained market share, in part, because it turned a blind eye to piracy and let everyone use its software, legitimate or not. Now it's time to pay the piper -- so we'll see how many people are still willing to dance... --Paul Heinlein From judah at opusnet.com Mon Apr 22 21:40:40 2002 From: judah at opusnet.com (Aaron Baer) Date: 22 Apr 2002 14:40:40 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B045@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B045@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: <1019511642.1738.3.camel@laptop> So do we volunteer as a group, "We're PLUG and we want to help!" or do we volunteer individually? I, for one, want to volunteer but it might be a good opportunity to further our communities awareness by volunteering as a group. A- -- ---- Aaron Baer judah at opusnet.com http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/ From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 22 21:46:38 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$soft challenge... In-Reply-To: <3CC47D7C.2DC37773@pcez.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Stuart Mathews wrote: > So what exactly is involved in one of these audits? Is a school going to > have to examine each of its systems, write down all software running on > it, and report all the info back to myoursoft? A manager for the Texas Dept. of Corrections asked why they had to provide licenses for every copy of software when Microsoft should have records in their database(s) from purchases and registrations. Why, he asked, doesn't Microsoft have to prove that we are *not* in compliance? The answer, apparently, is that the DMCA says that you're guilty until (and unless) you can prove your innocence. What the school districts must do, according to Duin's column in yesterday's paper, is provide receipts and the proof-of-purchase thingie on the outer carton for every copy of every application that's installed on every computer in the District. Even if they could do this, the cost would be extremely high. Unfortunate. Highly unfortunate. Just think how much more money PSD is going to request from us because of this. Heck, they may not be able to afford to hire a superintendent at all! Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 22 21:50:23 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$soft challenge... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Paul Heinlein wrote: > Microsoft gained market share, in part, because it turned a blind eye > to piracy and let everyone use its software, legitimate or not. Now > it's time to pay the piper -- so we'll see how many people are still > willing to dance... They may have picked up this business model from Aston-Tate. Remember them? The folks that brought us dBASE-II on CP/M boxes before MS-DOS became popular? Never copy protected. Pirated like crazy. Many consultants learned how to write database applications on an illegal copy of dBASE. When their clients needed a database application, the consultant used what he knew and purchased the appropriate number of licenses for the business. Made them the database standard in the microcomputer world for quite a few years. Rich From prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com Mon Apr 22 21:58:32 2002 From: prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com (Preston Crawford) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <1019511642.1738.3.camel@laptop> Message-ID: I want to help too. I just joined the list, in part, because of the news about the shakedown here in Portland. I'd been thinking about joining PLUG for a while. Preston On 22 Apr 2002, Aaron Baer wrote: > > So do we volunteer as a group, "We're PLUG and we want to help!" or do > we volunteer individually? > > I, for one, want to volunteer but it might be a good opportunity to > further our communities awareness by volunteering as a group. > > A- > > From poiridav at mail.parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Apr 22 21:55:16 2002 From: poiridav at mail.parkrose.k12.or.us (Dave Poirier) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:55:16 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$soft challenge... References: <3CC47D7C.2DC37773@pcez.com> Message-ID: <3CC486C4.9050008@mail.parkrose.k12.or.us> Stuart Mathews wrote: >So what exactly is involved in one of these audits? Is a school >going to have to examine each of its systems, write down all >software running on it, and report all the info back to >myoursoft? > >Has any organization considered challenging MS on this? Perhaps >Sun can ante up the cash to support a challenge. It all seems >so unreasonable, even if it WAS in the origial contract. > >Also, how feasible would it be for a school district to wean >itself of microsoft sfuff? > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > You can opt to have M$ do the audit themselves but, you then not only have to pay for any non-complience they find, you also have to pay M$ for the time they spent on the audit, if you are out of compliance. My guess would be that they will test every machine in your building until they find enough to make you wish you had chose their school agreement. As far as the software the one-sheet I saw basically wants any M$ OS and Office Products and gives you a Other category that is supposed to cover all other M$ products. From rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com Mon Apr 22 21:54:36 2002 From: rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:54:36 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B073@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> > From: Aaron Baer [mailto:judah at opusnet.com] > So do we volunteer as a group, "We're PLUG and we want to help!" or do > we volunteer individually? > > I, for one, want to volunteer but it might be a good opportunity to > further our communities awareness by volunteering as a group. I sent an email to Eric Harrison asking that he let us know as a group how to best volunteer for this effort. No sense in him getting hammered with scores of questions. -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From mikeraz at patch.com Mon Apr 22 22:05:22 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz at patch.com) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:05:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$soft challenge... In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 02:50:23PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020422150522.B18803@patch.com> On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 02:50:23PM -0700, Rich Shepard typed: > popular? Never copy protected. Pirated like crazy. Many consultants learned > how to write database applications on an illegal copy of dBASE. Hey, I resemble that remark. :) > Made them the database standard in the microcomputer world for quite a few > years. Until they did what killed my association with them. The release of dBase IV was way late and didn't have promised features. Features which a project I was doing at the time depended on. That bungle opened the door for many of their competitors. -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin But keep in mind: Your aims are high, and you are capable of much. From brucek at kingkon.com Mon Apr 22 22:31:20 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:31:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? In-Reply-To: <15551.17298.40216.606923@rigel.fdns.net>; from greggrm@attbi.com on Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 03:07:14PM -0700 References: <20020411234624.G14757@defiant.pacifier.com> <3CB6835E.9010608@pacifier.com> <3CB6F3ED.2080709@parkrose.k12.or.us> <20020415210255.V1598@defiant> <20020416092256.A9449@dalsemi.com> <20020417151624.C1586@defiant.pacifier.com> <20020417160405.B11430@dalsemi.com> <20020417170807.I1586@defiant.pacifier.com> <15551.17298.40216.606923@rigel.fdns.net> Message-ID: <20020422153120.C1605@defiant> Gregg Morris's Log: StarDate 0418.1507: > >>>>> "Bruce" == Bruce Kingsland writes: > > > > OK. That's handy. Except that I'd need to keep a local copy on > > my laptop in order to "only download newer files", and I was > > hoping to do some sort of filename/date compare from a list. > > I'm coming into this a little late, but I can't help wondering why you > don't want to use "up2date." If you just want to download the files, > you can configure it that way and run it from the command line. Well, I haven't read the up2date docs, but I "presume" that it will keep my online systems current. The problem is that I only have 1 online system, and it's my laptop, which I carry to a friends house twice a week to get access to the net; and the rest of the time it is attached to my home network of 4 more systems, all running different collections of tools, but all running rh7.2 So, it makes more sense to me to just get _all_ the updates, and then update the home systems 'offline'. However, if you have different data...... I can be taught! -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Mon Apr 22 21:27:35 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:27:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B073@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: I would pay to volunteer. I have two kids in PSD and it makes me really angry that the schools can't get the money together to get decent teaching materials, but M$ expects them to pay hundreds of thousands more for a piece of fricken software. Stupid. I looked at the K12LTSP site and found no information regarding volunteering. It looks like several people on here are interested so let's get some K12LTSP representation on here to help us out. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Michael Rasmussen Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:55 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: RE: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. > From: Aaron Baer [mailto:judah at opusnet.com] > So do we volunteer as a group, "We're PLUG and we want to help!" or do > we volunteer individually? > > I, for one, want to volunteer but it might be a good opportunity to > further our communities awareness by volunteering as a group. I sent an email to Eric Harrison asking that he let us know as a group how to best volunteer for this effort. No sense in him getting hammered with scores of questions. -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From brucek at kingkon.com Mon Apr 22 22:34:35 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:34:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] NEED ADV TOPIC SPEAKER(S) In-Reply-To: ; from allyn@well.com on Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 09:22:04PM -0700 References: <20020417161635.F1586@defiant.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020422153434.D1605@defiant> Mark Allyn's Log: StarDate 0417.2122: > > What meeting are we talking about, May 3rd? > > Mark Nope, the April 17 ALT meeting. The next one will be May 15. The next PLUG meeting will be May 2. -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From steve at wirex.net Mon Apr 22 22:57:01 2002 From: steve at wirex.net (Steve Beattie) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:57:01 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$soft challenge... In-Reply-To: References: <3CC47D7C.2DC37773@pcez.com> Message-ID: <20020422225701.GA4705@wirex.net> On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 02:40:16PM -0700, Paul Heinlein wrote: > 3. install MS Office at home using the CDs at work. Going off some *really fuzzy* memories, but this at least used to be legit. From what I remember long ago when I had to deal with proper license accounting was that Microsoft allowed software to be installed on a user's home and work computers, but only if you weren't using any sort of automated license tracking software. If you were then your users couldn't take software home. -- Steve Beattie Don't trust programmers? Complete StackGuard distro at http://NxNW.org/~steve/ immunix.org http://www.personaltelco.net -- overthrowing QWest, one block at a time. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From seniorr at aracnet.com Mon Apr 22 22:40:50 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 22 Apr 2002 15:40:50 -0700 Subject: Recommend an accountant? (was Re: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86it6jqrv1.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Bill" == Longman, Bill writes: >> And considering the size of the unemployed SIG and that volunteer >> time would probably be tax-deductible (anyone know?), this would be >> a use of the group's human resources. At least, that's fair >> observation from outside. Bill> Volunteer time is NOT tax deductible. But mileage [...] I recently started a little side business (consulting) and need to hire some brain cells already aligned with IRS rules... to get my books set up, figure out what counts for what, etc. Can anyone recommend someone good? -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com Mon Apr 22 22:46:18 2002 From: prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com (Preston Crawford) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, sendai wrote: > I would pay to volunteer. I have two kids in PSD and it makes me really > angry that the schools can't get the money together to get decent teaching > materials, but M$ expects them to pay hundreds of thousands more for a piece > of fricken software. Stupid. I looked at the K12LTSP site and found no That's the important part, "fricken software". Even though I love computing and profit from it, at the end of the day class size, teacher quality, materials are far more important to real-world skills than being knowledgable about Windows. Especially since so many kids have computers at home. Why not Linux? It seems like a no-brainer. If it comes down to teachers or books or MS Word, I'm sorry, but OpenOffice will have to do. Preston From rcamacke at attbi.com Mon Apr 22 22:49:33 2002 From: rcamacke at attbi.com (Richard Amacker) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:49:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <20020422130051.A18848@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <002c01c1ea4f$f89031c0$0301a8c0@tina> Wil, your message shows up as possibly being infected with a virus according to Norton 2002. Your problem or mine? Richard -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Wil Cooley Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 1:01 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. Also Sprach Longman, Bill on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 12:38:19PM PDT > > And considering the size of the unemployed SIG and that volunteer > > time would probably be tax-deductible (anyone know?), this would be > > a use of the group's human resources. At least, that's fair > > observation from outside. > > Volunteer time is NOT tax deductible. But mileage for driving to and > from said volunteering location is, with the correct documentation. > Get one of those permanent bound mileage books and track your mileage. Hm, yeah, you're right: http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/display/0,,i1=50&genericId=11920,00.html Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 22 23:00:33 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$soft challenge... In-Reply-To: <20020422225701.GA4705@wirex.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Steve Beattie wrote: > Going off some *really fuzzy* memories, but this at least used to be > legit. From what I remember long ago when I had to deal with proper > license accounting was that Microsoft allowed software to be installed > on a user's home and work computers, but only if you weren't using any > sort of automated license tracking software. If you were then your users > couldn't take software home. My recollection was that this was permitted because you could not be using both copies at the same time. You were either at work or at home. Functionally, you were using the same copy but at different places at different times. Rich From greg at kroah.com Mon Apr 22 22:06:25 2002 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:06:25 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <002c01c1ea4f$f89031c0$0301a8c0@tina> References: <20020422130051.A18848@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <002c01c1ea4f$f89031c0$0301a8c0@tina> Message-ID: <20020422220625.GC4005@kroah.com> On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 03:49:33PM -0700, Richard Amacker wrote: > Wil, your message shows up as possibly being infected with a virus > according to Norton 2002. Your problem or mine? Your's. Read his email headers to see why Outlook is flagging the message. See the archives of the list for more fun Outlook flamefests over an issue much like this one :) greg k-h From rcamacke at attbi.com Mon Apr 22 23:16:44 2002 From: rcamacke at attbi.com (Richard Amacker) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:16:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <20020422220625.GC4005@kroah.com> Message-ID: <000001c1ea53$c4c1b9a0$0301a8c0@tina> Ahh, I see. Thanks. Richard -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Greg KH Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 3:06 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 03:49:33PM -0700, Richard Amacker wrote: > Wil, your message shows up as possibly being infected with a virus > according to Norton 2002. Your problem or mine? Your's. Read his email headers to see why Outlook is flagging the message. See the archives of the list for more fun Outlook flamefests over an issue much like this one :) greg k-h _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From cp at onsitetech.com Mon Apr 22 23:04:43 2002 From: cp at onsitetech.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:04:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$soft challenge... References: <3CC47D7C.2DC37773@pcez.com> <20020422225701.GA4705@wirex.net> Message-ID: <00d401c1ea52$1759e630$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> One thing that I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned is trying to put pressure directly on M$ to back off. I don't know how much of an effect this will have, but it's worth a shot. Amongst other things, I would recommend being polite (I was *very* diplomatic in expressing my opinion of their company; I lied :) I would also suggest disabling any email .sigs that might suggest an anti-M$ bias. Also, if you're concerned that your company might get into trouble, maybe you don't want to send it from a work account. Below is a copy of the email that I sent. I wrote, amongst other things, that school IT staffs are underpaid and under-staffed. This may not be accurate (but I think it was a good guess). However, I'll stand by that as I am assuming that no IT staffer at a school would object to more money or a larger support group :) -- To whom it may concern, A recent article in the Oregonian (http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf?/xml/story.ss f/html_standard.xsl?/base/all_wire_stories/101386428029222529.xml) has certainly left me with a bad taste in my mouth regarding your company. While I have certainly had reservations about your company in the past, I have also recognized that you are doing what any company tries to do: be the best that you can be. Now, however, my opinion has certainly changed. By demanding that Portland public schools audit 25,000 computers in 60 days and turn over the results to you, you have effectively taken a cash-strapped school district and held them over a barrel. Either they fail to comply with the audit (there does not appear to be any reasonable way they can succeed) or they agree to your Microsoft School Agreement, which will cost them half a million dollars. As you must know, cash-strapped schools are in a poor position to ensure that students haven't installed unlicensed software on their machines. The teachers (some of my friends are teachers) spend so much time working on lesson plans, teaching class, and grading papers that there is no reasonable way to expect them to monitor all of the computers. Of course, the IT staff at schools is underpaid and short-staffed, so they also don't have the time or skills to police the students. Further, imagine the poor admin who's just been hired and is trying to get the school's computers into shape. He or she probably has no way to collect all of the receipts or "proof of license" for every software product that the school uses. With our cash-strapped school systems being continuously hammered for the apparently lower quality of education, it's sad to see your company drive another nail into the coffin. Please reconsider the timing of this, or give the schools a more realistic time frame. With only 60 days to respond, the schools will be forced to audit over 400 computers a day. There is simply no reasonable way they can do that. Thank you for your consideration of this matter. Curtis Poe From bill at coho.net Mon Apr 22 22:32:43 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? In-Reply-To: <20020422153120.C1605@defiant> Message-ID: I think that if you run up2date on your one machine it will save all the rpms it downloads in /var/spool/up2date, even after it installs them. Of course to be sure you could copy all the rpms from var/spool/up2date to another directory before you let up2date do the install (come to think of it, there might be an up2date setting that controls whether the things get deleted). The reason I'm not sure the rpms are saved after install is that all I have in its directory is a bunch of .hdr files (whatever they are), but I think I went and cleaned out the rpms myself to save space. Anyway, make sure you copy the rpms somewhere else, then plug the laptop back into yer network and ftp or scp the things over to your other machines. Bill On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Gregg Morris's Log: StarDate 0418.1507: > > >>>>> "Bruce" == Bruce Kingsland writes: > > > > > > > OK. That's handy. Except that I'd need to keep a local copy on > > > my laptop in order to "only download newer files", and I was > > > hoping to do some sort of filename/date compare from a list. > > > > I'm coming into this a little late, but I can't help wondering why you > > don't want to use "up2date." If you just want to download the files, > > you can configure it that way and run it from the command line. > > Well, I haven't read the up2date docs, but I "presume" that it will > keep my online systems current. The problem is that I only have 1 > online system, and it's my laptop, which I carry to a friends house > twice a week to get access to the net; and the rest of the time it is > attached to my home network of 4 more systems, all running different > collections of tools, but all running rh7.2 > > So, it makes more sense to me to just get _all_ the updates, and then > update the home systems 'offline'. > > However, if you have different data...... I can be taught! > > -bk > From jeme at brelin.net Mon Apr 22 23:47:01 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <20020422123348.S25965@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Wil Cooley wrote: > And considering the size of the unemployed SIG and that volunteer time > would probably be tax-deductible (anyone know?), this would be a use > of the group's human resources. At least, that's fair observation > from outside. > > So now the question is for Paul, Eric, et al is what can be done and > what needs to be done? Is a wholesale exorcism of Microsoft software > (not just the PCs, but the Macs too--remember, they're likely running > Office) feasible? What can we do to organize our ranks to do this? > This could be a big score for free software and our local community, > but we'd have to be careful to not bungle it. I am, of course, also willing to volunteer for this kind of project. I think that if had a preliminary meeting... even before we talk to officials, we can set up an organization and attack the problem semi-professionally (i.e. project management, timelines, specifications and so on). I would REALLY like to be in on any initial meetings with the schools on this topic. I promise I clean up real good and know when not to swear or pick my nose. But, I guess we'll all just wait to hear back from Eric. Oh... and I guess this is an alright time to make an initial plea for interest in a new endeavor. I'm thinking of holding a little meeting (either just at my place or at a restaurant with a meeting room, if interest is high) to talk about some business ideas. I'd like to start with just a general discussion, but essentially the organization would be a development and implementation firm for business-specific applications. Send me an email if you're interested in the discussion. Jeme. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From gaetano at minastirith.org Tue Apr 23 00:01:18 2002 From: gaetano at minastirith.org (Gaetano) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:01:18 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. References: Message-ID: <3CC4A44E.4070404@minastirith.org> I just signed up to this mailing list as a result of the slashdot article earlier today. Someone should talk with the school officals before there's much talk about project plans and such. This way you can find out what the schools really need and want from volunteers. It may also be a good idea to get a feel for the number of volunteers before going to the school officials so they know what type of support they have and can make a better decision as to what they want to do with that support. It's also very possible that Microsoft will back down on their audit deadline after they feel the support that has been offered to the school districts effected. Perhaps some manager at Microsoft will clobber the guy who made this demand to get his quarterly sale quota. (just speculation here of course). And then there is the unfortunate thing that happens when enthusiasm meets the harsh cold reality of life, and time, and there may not be as many volunteers as was at first thought. But where do I sign up? :) - Gaetano Jeme A Brelin wrote: >On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Wil Cooley wrote: > > >>And considering the size of the unemployed SIG and that volunteer time >>would probably be tax-deductible (anyone know?), this would be a use >>of the group's human resources. At least, that's fair observation >>from outside. >> >>So now the question is for Paul, Eric, et al is what can be done and >>what needs to be done? Is a wholesale exorcism of Microsoft software >>(not just the PCs, but the Macs too--remember, they're likely running >>Office) feasible? What can we do to organize our ranks to do this? >>This could be a big score for free software and our local community, >>but we'd have to be careful to not bungle it. >> >> > >I am, of course, also willing to volunteer for this kind of project. > >I think that if had a preliminary meeting... even before we talk to >officials, we can set up an organization and attack the problem >semi-professionally (i.e. project management, timelines, specifications >and so on). > >I would REALLY like to be in on any initial meetings with the schools on >this topic. I promise I clean up real good and know when not to swear or >pick my nose. > >But, I guess we'll all just wait to hear back from Eric. > >Oh... and I guess this is an alright time to make an initial plea for >interest in a new endeavor. I'm thinking of holding a little meeting >(either just at my place or at a restaurant with a meeting room, if >interest is high) to talk about some business ideas. I'd like to start >with just a general discussion, but essentially the organization would be >a development and implementation firm for business-specific applications. >Send me an email if you're interested in the discussion. > >Jeme. > > From brucek at kingkon.com Tue Apr 23 00:23:17 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:23:17 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? In-Reply-To: ; from bill@coho.net on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 03:32:43PM -0700 References: <20020422153120.C1605@defiant> Message-ID: <20020422172317.J1605@defiant> Bill's Log: StarDate 0422.1532: > I think that if you run up2date on your one machine it will save all the > rpms it downloads in /var/spool/up2date, even after it installs them. Of Does it download _all_ the rpms, or just the ones that this laptop needs. This laptop only has a 3G drive, so I don't have the same tools here that I have on the systems at home. My concern is that it won't download the 'other' rpms that I'd need for those systems. -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Tue Apr 23 00:24:40 2002 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: 22 Apr 2002 17:24:40 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Thanks!!! -- Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B073@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B073@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: <1019521481.3690.14.camel@beast> Hello Folks, I just want to say thanks to all the offers of help from PLUG members. As soon as I saw Steve Duin's article had been /.'ed I told him to expect some email. He was swamped! Yea!!! I think that Microsoft and their own licensing antics may be our best advocate for the use of free software. It certainly is making schools take a long hard look. K12Linux would have never started were it not for PLUG and a few members who met with us and helped get the ball rolling. It just goes to show that the power of the Internet is its ability to bring people together to get stuff done. That's why the open source development model works so well. People have asked what they can do to help. I know the schools are already working to comply with the audit requirements. Schools need to be legal and they need to model ethical behavior for students. They should have licenses for 100% of the MS software they use. I think that now though we'll start to see another type of good ethical behavior in schools. It will be an increased use of free software in an effort to be fiscally responsible. K12LTSP started just last July. We've been very successful. In less than one year we show distribution to over 5000 schools. So what is the next step? I see two things that need to happen: 1) The user group support model that worked so well here in Portland needs to be replicated all over the country. Our LUG has install clinics, an active mailing list and monthly meetings. We've got to find a way to reach out to other LUGs and encourage them to do the same. As good as this is though, it still leaves us as a grass roots movement... see point 2... 2) We need to bring some big name vendors along with us to offer turnkey, supported open source solutions to schools. Schools wanting to install a Linux lab right now have to build their own machines. They don't have anyone to call for help and there are no warranties. My emails to IBM go unanswered. Intel is supportive but frankly, I just don't think they or anyone else wants to tangle with the 800 pound gorilla that's in the way. How can we get vendors to work with us to provide Linux based solutions for schools, businesses and public agencies? Answer that question if you want to help. One off the wall idea I had was a national software freedom day on July 4th. We could get LUGs all over the country to work with schools to provide demonstrations and hand out CD's. When we did this at our school last July 4th for the release of K12LTSP I heard a lot of "no one will show up on the 4th! You're crazy!" but we DID have a lab full of people and we had a great time. It's just an idea... Let's put our heads together and see what happens. One more thought... We just had a letter from www.linuxfund.org saying that they are going to support K12LTSP. It would be great if we were all carrying visa cards with penguins on them. This is an easy way to contribute to open source projects and it costs us nothing. I look forward to hearing your suggestions and again, thanks to all of the PLUG users for your help over the years. You are a great bunch of folks! ;-) Paul On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 14:54, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > From: Aaron Baer [mailto:judah at opusnet.com] > > So do we volunteer as a group, "We're PLUG and we want to help!" or do > > we volunteer individually? > > > > I, for one, want to volunteer but it might be a good opportunity to > > further our communities awareness by volunteering as a group. > > > I sent an email to Eric Harrison asking that he let us know as a group how > to best volunteer for this effort. No sense in him getting hammered with > scores of questions. snip...... -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson............................... pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale School..............11733 SW Breyman Ave. Portland, OR 97219 (503)636-4511......fax(503)635-6342.... http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us ===================================================================== From roger.vanderveen at teleport.com Tue Apr 23 01:00:22 2002 From: roger.vanderveen at teleport.com (RBV) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:00:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: What happened to Linux clinic? References: Message-ID: <3CC4B226.DD6FDAE8@teleport.com> I second the suggestion, and also suggest that the announcement be placed on the Linux Clinic web page as well. Thanks Roger > From: Terry Griffin > Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:33:32 -0700 > > After showing up there myself, I found a cancellation announcment in the > PLUG-announce archives. > > These announcments really should be sent to the main list as well. I used to > be subscribed to PLUG-announce but I must have been lost in the transfer to > the new list server. > > Terry From heinlein at attbi.com Tue Apr 23 01:18:30 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$soft challenge... In-Reply-To: <20020422225701.GA4705@wirex.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Steve Beattie wrote: > On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 02:40:16PM -0700, Paul Heinlein wrote: > > 3. install MS Office at home using the CDs at work. > > Going off some *really fuzzy* memories, but this at least used to be > legit. From what I remember long ago when I had to deal with proper > license accounting was that Microsoft allowed software to be > installed on a user's home and work computers, but only if you > weren't using any sort of automated license tracking software. If > you were then your users couldn't take software home. The issue of installing only properly licensed software came up while I was working at Computer Bits, so I spent some time reading the fine print. At the time, WordPerfect (7, then 8) did allow a dual installation, providing you only ran one copy at a time. MS Office 95 did not allow it. I haven't read the WordPerfect or Office licenses since then, so my knowledge is definitely outdated. --Paul Heinlein From lynnming at yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 01:21:00 2002 From: lynnming at yahoo.com (Lynn Yuan) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Cold Fusion and MySQL on Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020423012101.75961.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Matt, Glad to see that you got the problem taken care of. Lynn --- Matt Alexander wrote: > I managed to finally get it working. It took longer > than I originally > wanted to spend on this, but I learned a helluvalot > in the process (which > is really a good thing, in the big picture). > ColdFusion 5 has a Merant > MySQL driver, but I couldn't get it to work, and I > found a couple of > newsgroup postings about others complaining about > the same thing. So, I > had to setup MyODBC > (http://www.mysql.org/downloads/api-myodbc-2.50.html) > and I had to setup iODBC (http://www.iodbc.org). > Next, I edited the > odbc.ini file in the coldfusion directory to point > to the mysql driver, > and I was up and running after configuring the DNC > in the CF > Administrator. > ~M > > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Lynn Yuan wrote: > > > Dear Matt, > > > > We use CF 4.51 Professional SP2 on Redhat 6.2 with > > Apache 1.3.14 and MySql. Unfortunately, I did not > set > > it us, we inherrited the servers. However, I amy > be > > able to help with some tips. > > > > Have you set up the admin pages on CF? > > > > http://localhost/administrator/index.cfm > > > > Have you configured Apache for MySQL and CF? > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > --- Matt Alexander wrote: > > > I installed Cold Fusion on a Linux server, but > so > > > far I've been unable to > > > configure things to use a MySQL database. Has > > > anyone on this list done > > > this before? I could use some guidance here... > > > Thanks, > > > ~M > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and > more > > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From jeff at jhenshaw.com Tue Apr 23 01:39:55 2002 From: jeff at jhenshaw.com (Jeff A. Henshaw) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:39:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. References: Message-ID: <01f601c1ea67$c53b1840$0400a8c0@dslonly.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Preston Crawford" To: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: RE: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, sendai wrote: > > > I would pay to volunteer. I have two kids in PSD and it makes me really > > angry that the schools can't get the money together to get decent teaching > > materials, but M$ expects them to pay hundreds of thousands more for a piece > > of fricken software. Stupid. I looked at the K12LTSP site and found no > > That's the important part, "fricken software". Even though I love > computing and profit from it, at the end of the day class size, teacher > quality, materials are far more important to real-world skills than being > knowledgable about Windows. Especially since so many kids have computers > at home. Why not Linux? It seems like a no-brainer. If it comes down to > teachers or books or MS Word, I'm sorry, but OpenOffice will have to do. > > Preston Perhaps a massive investment in Myoursoft stock by the pension fund clouds their thinking somewhere in the chain of command at the ESD? Or is their any stock in M$ owned by the Teachers Retirement Pension Funds in Oregon as they are in other states? Last time I checked the CA Teachers were 50% M$ stock for their Pension. I can see where they might think being up to their neck in M$ fees helps their pension fund value somehow, but at a cost that is way too high in the long run. Anyone know who decides which software the schools use? Why not ask them directly if possible, why they spend any money at M$? Are they accountable to anyone? To the Taxpayers? M$ software is kind of like a boat, which we know is nothing but a hole in the water that you must constantly dump ( Taxpayers ) money into. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 23 02:08:56 2002 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] MS Audit questions Message-ID: Hey folks, My mailbox is overflowing with email and I have not had a chance to read the long thread here on the list. This is a fluffy, no content, form letter response saying "we're working on it, we'll get back to you shortly. Thank you for your support" ;-) -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 23 02:25:03 2002 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <01f601c1ea67$c53b1840$0400a8c0@dslonly.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Jeff A. Henshaw wrote: >Perhaps a massive investment in Myoursoft stock by the pension fund clouds >their thinking somewhere in the chain of command at the ESD? Jeff, I think it is safe to say that you're a little bit off-base here ;-) -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 23 02:41:43 2002 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: >On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Michael Smith wrote: > >> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/22/1719218&mode=thread&tid=109 > > I may well be wrong, but I believe this article has it wrong: the Portland >School District is *not* a MESD participant. It is the former, not the >latter to which Duin's column referred. Portland Public Schools *is* a MESD participant. We support the eight school districts in the county. The other one of the districts I support that is being audited is Gresham-Barlow. But you are right, it is PPS & Gresham-Barlow who are being audited, not MESD. MESD, as a service provider to PPS & Gresham-Barlow, is helping them with the audit in any way we can. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 23 02:51:31 2002 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <20020422132227.B18848@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Wil Cooley wrote: >Also Sprach Rich Shepard on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 01:16:01PM PDT >> On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Michael Smith wrote: > >> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/22/1719218&mode=thread&tid=109 > >> I may well be wrong, but I believe this article has it wrong: the >> Portland School District is *not* a MESD participant. It is the >> former, not the latter to which Duin's column referred. > >Eric will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he told me it wasn't >but now it is. I seem to recall him lamenting the difficulties of >taking over the PSD some meetings ago. Well, "some meetings ago" for vaules of some >= 12. We have a much more productive partnership these days ;-) -Eric From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 23 02:58:22 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Any insight on UUNET? Message-ID: I have a spam factory sending me one or two UCE per day. They all trace back to uunet.net. I send reports to abuse@ and get an acknowledgement, but no action. Does anyone here have any insight into why they haven't taken action against the spammer? I know in one case, the ISP is struggling financially and won't delete an account as long as it brings in money. I wonder if something similar may be occurring at uunet. Thanks, Rich From jeff at jhenshaw.com Tue Apr 23 03:03:48 2002 From: jeff at jhenshaw.com (Jeff A. Henshaw) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:03:48 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. References: Message-ID: <026f01c1ea73$7d41fde0$0400a8c0@dslonly.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Harrison" To: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Jeff A. Henshaw wrote: > > >Perhaps a massive investment in Myoursoft stock by the pension fund clouds > >their thinking somewhere in the chain of command at the ESD? > > Jeff, I think it is safe to say that you're a little bit off-base here ;-) > > -Eric > Well hooray! So you're saying there is no M$ stock in the pension funds? From sean_whitney at bigfoot.com Tue Apr 23 03:26:21 2002 From: sean_whitney at bigfoot.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:26:21 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <026f01c1ea73$7d41fde0$0400a8c0@dslonly.net> References: <026f01c1ea73$7d41fde0$0400a8c0@dslonly.net> Message-ID: <20020423032622.4AAF0C51A@max.seansdomain.org> No I believe what he is saying is the people who make IT decisions are a completely seperate group from those that make the retirement fund decisions. Each motivated by their own needs, private agenda's, requirements, assessments and culture. I very much doubt that the two influence each other in any way. Sean On Monday 22 April 2002 20:03, you hammered at the keyboard: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Harrison" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:25 PM > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. > > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Jeff A. Henshaw wrote: > > >Perhaps a massive investment in Myoursoft stock by the pension fund > > clouds > > > >their thinking somewhere in the chain of command at the ESD? > > > > Jeff, I think it is safe to say that you're a little bit off-base here > > ;-) > > > > -Eric > > Well hooray! > > So you're saying there is no M$ stock in the pension funds? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- This here's the wattle, The emblem of our land. You can stick it in a bottle; You can hold it in your hand. Amen! -- Monty Python From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 23 03:40:34 2002 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <20020423032622.4AAF0C51A@max.seansdomain.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Sean Whitney wrote: >No I believe what he is saying is the people who make IT decisions are a >completely seperate group from those that make the retirement fund decisions. > Each motivated by their own needs, private agenda's, requirements, >assessments and culture. > >I very much doubt that the two influence each other in any way. > >Sean Correct. It seems all seems quite odd to me, considering all the work we've done... -Eric >On Monday 22 April 2002 20:03, you hammered at the keyboard: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eric Harrison" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. >> >> > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Jeff A. Henshaw wrote: >> > >Perhaps a massive investment in Myoursoft stock by the pension fund >> >> clouds >> >> > >their thinking somewhere in the chain of command at the ESD? >> > >> > Jeff, I think it is safe to say that you're a little bit off-base here >> > ;-) >> > >> > -Eric >> >> Well hooray! >> >> So you're saying there is no M$ stock in the pension funds? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PLUG mailing list >> PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- Eric Harrison Network & Information Services Multnomah Education Service District (503) 257-1554 From steve at wirex.net Tue Apr 23 04:54:49 2002 From: steve at wirex.net (Steve Beattie) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:54:49 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$soft challenge... In-Reply-To: References: <20020422225701.GA4705@wirex.net> Message-ID: <20020423045447.GA6612@wirex.net> On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 06:18:30PM -0700, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Steve Beattie wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 02:40:16PM -0700, Paul Heinlein wrote: > > > 3. install MS Office at home using the CDs at work. > > > > Going off some *really fuzzy* memories, but this at least used to be > > legit. From what I remember long ago when I had to deal with proper > > license accounting was that Microsoft allowed software to be > > installed on a user's home and work computers, but only if you > > weren't using any sort of automated license tracking software. If > > you were then your users couldn't take software home. > > The issue of installing only properly licensed software came up while > I was working at Computer Bits, so I spent some time reading the fine > print. At the time, WordPerfect (7, then 8) did allow a dual > installation, providing you only ran one copy at a time. MS Office 95 > did not allow it. I haven't read the WordPerfect or Office licenses > since then, so my knowledge is definitely outdated. Well, your knowledge is more current than the information I posted above. :-) At the point and time I was involved with licensing issues, win95 was not yet officially released. It's also possible that I could be confusing the Microsoft license with the license of the Lotus Office Suite (I've also worked really hard to recycle the brain cells from that experience :-) ). -- Steve Beattie Don't trust programmers? Complete StackGuard distro at http://NxNW.org/~steve/ immunix.org http://www.personaltelco.net -- overthrowing QWest, one block at a time. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alex -- MS Windows users should be covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act! --------------> Try Linux and you'll understand why <-------------- From alan at clueserver.org Tue Apr 23 03:45:56 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:45:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B073@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B073@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: <200204222045.56507.alan@clueserver.org> On Monday 22 April 2002 02:54 pm, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > From: Aaron Baer [mailto:judah at opusnet.com] > > So do we volunteer as a group, "We're PLUG and we want to help!" or do > > we volunteer individually? > > > > I, for one, want to volunteer but it might be a good opportunity to > > further our communities awareness by volunteering as a group. > > I sent an email to Eric Harrison asking that he let us know as a group how > to best volunteer for this effort. No sense in him getting hammered with > scores of questions. Add me to the list of people willing to help. (I live a couple of blocks from Cleveand High School.) Here are my thoughts on the issue (for what little it is worth): [This may get modified to an editorial for the oregonian or similar publication after polishing and editorial modifications, so bear with the obvious bits.] The school district(s) need to look at a plan to eliminate all Microsoft software from their schools and offices. All of it. The reason for this is pretty plain. Microsoft's current "complience" campaign is no more than extortion. (I was going to say "petty extortion, but a half a million dollars is not "petty".) Microsoft knows that the school cannot conduct an audit in the time given. They know that the district is in too deep with their software to give it up and will have to give in to their demands or pay an even bigger "penalty". This is not the actions of a legitimate business, this is the strong-arm tactics of a mob boss or a drug kingpin. It is extortion, plain and simple. The Vikings used to have similar scam. They would go from town to town along the British coast or anywhere else where there were people who could not defend themselves and make a bargain with the town. "Pay us X amount in gold or we sack your town." Such payments were called "danegeld". There was also another saying... "Once you pay Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane." If the school districts pay off the Microsoft horde, what happens when Microsoft has another bad quarter? Are they going to fall prey to another such "complience audit"? Will there be another way that they will come in and suck up more revenue from the cash strapped schools? You know damn well they will! Next they will want extra licence fees for each printer. Maybe they will up it to a per student fee, instead of a per machine. There will always be something more to pay for. They fees will go up and up because they know that the school won't run without their software. Unless they get out of the game now, while they still can. The excuses are pretty standard. "They don't want to have to learn new software" Hmmm... Educators who are unwilling to learn new things. Maybe they should look up the definition of "irony" at this point. "It is too much work to change everything over." Well, yes. it is also about as much work to conduct the audit and it will cost less in the long run. The software applications already exist. "Linux is too hard." And Windows is not? Actually there are versions that are pretty easy to maintain. The K12TSP is one example. Mandrake is another option. Actually, Linux has been getting easier and easier to run and Microsoft has been getting harder and harder to keep running. There are community resources that will help with training. The question is not just how much it will cost now, but how much you will keep paying over and over again years on down the road. [This was probably preaching to the chior, but I am wanting to et a basic layout fornewspaper rant later. Send me comments pro and con and I will see if I can get something useful hacked out of it.] From prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com Tue Apr 23 05:17:19 2002 From: prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com (Preston Crawford) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Thanks!!! -- Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <1019521481.3690.14.camel@beast> Message-ID: On 22 Apr 2002, Paul Nelson wrote: > 2) We need to bring some big name vendors along with us to offer > turnkey, supported open source solutions to schools. Schools wanting to > install a Linux lab right now have to build their own machines. They > don't have anyone to call for help and there are no warranties. That sounds like a good opportunity for a consulting business. Charge a pittance compared to what Microsoft wants to charge for pure support on a free, open-source OS. > My emails to IBM go unanswered. Intel is supportive but frankly, I just > don't think they or anyone else wants to tangle with the 800 pound > gorilla that's in the way. How can we get vendors to work with us to > provide Linux based solutions for schools, businesses and public > agencies? Answer that question if you want to help. Doesn't this seem like a no-brainer for a Red Hat, IBM, or Sun? The more kids who graduate not believing (Windows = Computer) the better chance they all have of success. Preston From bill at coho.net Tue Apr 23 04:16:30 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? In-Reply-To: <20020422172317.J1605@defiant> Message-ID: It'll only download the ones the laptop needs. Redhat does have an errata page for each version though--might wanna cruise that. Bill On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Bill's Log: StarDate 0422.1532: > > I think that if you run up2date on your one machine it will save all the > > rpms it downloads in /var/spool/up2date, even after it installs them. Of > > Does it download _all_ the rpms, or just the ones that this laptop > needs. This laptop only has a 3G drive, so I don't have the same tools > here that I have on the systems at home. My concern is that it won't > download the 'other' rpms that I'd need for those systems. > > -bk > From bill at coho.net Tue Apr 23 04:31:59 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Open Source and Godless Communisn Message-ID: This is almost too funny to be true, but apparently it is. This guy is a) riled that PBS has a program on evolution, b) upset that apple uses, well, an apple as its symbol (Eve and the fruit, remember?), c) Upset that OSX is based on an open-source project (godless communism) named after Darwin, d) further upset that Apple adopted the cute little demon from BSD (which he calls an 'obsolete operating system'), e) and finally annoyed by all the daemons running in the background, and people typing in 'chmod 666 [filename].' Oh and apparently the first mac was priced at $666 (I didn't follow the link to confirm this--feel free to look up the true fac's). Little does he know that his site is running on a godless commie operating system called Linuxm, using a godless commie webserver called Apache (named, of course, after a bunch of heathen). Make me proud to be a godless commie. http://members.truepath.com/objective/propaganda.html Think Bill Gates will give this guy a job? Slashdot has already posted something about it, I gather. From mikedela at ipns.com Tue Apr 23 05:38:30 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:38:30 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$soft challenge... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The issue is per-seat licenses versus per-user licenses. Don't ask me why, but some makers care differently. -------- Mike 4/22/02 6:18:30 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote: >On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Steve Beattie wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 02:40:16PM -0700, Paul Heinlein wrote: >> > 3. install MS Office at home using the CDs at work. >> >> Going off some *really fuzzy* memories, but this at least used to be >> legit. From what I remember long ago when I had to deal with proper >> license accounting was that Microsoft allowed software to be >> installed on a user's home and work computers, but only if you >> weren't using any sort of automated license tracking software. If >> you were then your users couldn't take software home. > >The issue of installing only properly licensed software came up while >I was working at Computer Bits, so I spent some time reading the fine >print. At the time, WordPerfect (7, then 8) did allow a dual >installation, providing you only ran one copy at a time. MS Office 95 >did not allow it. I haven't read the WordPerfect or Office licenses >since then, so my knowledge is definitely outdated. > > >--Paul Heinlein > > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ---------- Mike De La Mater Mike De La Mater Consulting mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Mon Apr 22 22:44:31 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (D. Cooper Stevenson) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:44:31 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Microsoft Strong-Arms Public Schools Message-ID: <20020422154431.C599@coopnkass.com> All; Our group received this from Tyler Creelan yesterday. You guys have MWVLUG's full support on this. Whatever it takes. --Cooper ----- Forwarded message from "Tyler F. Creelan" ----- Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:27:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tyler F. Creelan" To: cc: , , , Subject: [lug] MSA Audit; Corvallis School Assistance Precedence: bulk Apparently, Microsoft has demanded a complete licensing audit from Oregon school districts. If the schools do not complete the audit requirements within 60 days, they must adopt a license under which they would be charged for every computer at the school (including iMacs, Linux pcs, etc) instead of each computer running Microsoft software. For example, the Portland School districts must account for over 25,000 computers within the time period. (More info below from Michael Rasmussen, see the editoral by Steve Duin.) In response, school district coordinators such as Eric Harrison have developed initiatives to replace generic commericial software with free, open-source alternatives. Such measures can sometimes fail, however, due to a lack of available technical knowhow and guidance at the school. It seems we (linux users) could assist public schools by letting them know we can help in efforts to try Open Source desktop software; through group lists like this, email, and in person. By assuring them of help for linux and its wide use, we can dispel some of the fear and uncertainty school leaders might face in pursuing these otherwise attractive solutions. I found the following names of people from school websites we could contact. If anyone knows of other people (computing admins, directors) that information would help. It seems we could do this personally or, with sufficient agreement, prepare a response from us as a group (mid-willamette valley LUG). How does this sound? --Tyler -------- Corvallis School District: Duane Jager, Information Services Manager; Duane_Jager at corvallis.k12.or.us Debra Murray, Technology Coordinator; debra_murray at corvallis.k12.or.us Central HS: Dennis Corliss, Computer Education; Dennis_Corliss at corvallis.k12.or.us Crescent Valley HS: Karen Walz, Computer Lab/Web Support; Karen_Walz at corvallis.k12.or.us Judy Jackson, Tech Support; Judy_Jackson at corvallis.k12.or.us ------------------- Portion of letter to OR Congress Reps: "In the Sunday Oregonian, April 21st, columnist Steve Duin writes about Microsoft's marketing department threatening several Oregon School districts with a software audit unless they adopt a costly Microsoft systemwide licensing plan. Microsoft is giving the schools 60 days to prove up or pay up. The schools are being asked to prove their innocence of copyright infringement on a Microsoft stipulated timetable to Microsoft stipulated terms. The timetable and terms are not practical. There is nothing to indicate that the employees of our school system have done anything wrong. The only apparent motivation for Microsoft to make this request is to twist the arms of the people who make the decision about adopting the Microsoft School Agreement." - Michael Rasmussen --------------- Steve Duin article: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/all_wire_stories/101386428029222529.xml ----- End forwarded message ----- -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper.stevenson at wahchang.com UNIX Administrator |PH: (541)791-1322 Telledyne Wah Chang |FAX: (541)924-6895 ------------------------------------------------------ From jason at vancleve.com Tue Apr 23 06:00:55 2002 From: jason at vancleve.com (Jason Van Cleve) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:00:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <200204222045.56507.alan@clueserver.org> Message-ID: I too am willing to help, in whatever small way I can. This business of attacking our schools (you know, the foundation of our knowledge and the hope of our future) is just plain sinister. Devouring our young indeed! --Jason Van Cleve > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Alan > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:46 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. > > > On Monday 22 April 2002 02:54 pm, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > > From: Aaron Baer [mailto:judah at opusnet.com] > > > So do we volunteer as a group, "We're PLUG and we want to help!" or do > > > we volunteer individually? > > > > > > I, for one, want to volunteer but it might be a good opportunity to > > > further our communities awareness by volunteering as a group. > > > > I sent an email to Eric Harrison asking that he let us know as > a group how > > to best volunteer for this effort. No sense in him getting > hammered with > > scores of questions. > > Add me to the list of people willing to help. (I live a couple of > blocks from > Cleveand High School.) > > Here are my thoughts on the issue (for what little it is worth): > > [This may get modified to an editorial for the oregonian or similar > publication after polishing and editorial modifications, so bear with the > obvious bits.] > > The school district(s) need to look at a plan to eliminate all Microsoft > software from their schools and offices. > > All of it. > > The reason for this is pretty plain. Microsoft's current "complience" > campaign is no more than extortion. (I was going to say "petty > extortion, > but a half a million dollars is not "petty".) Microsoft knows that the > school cannot conduct an audit in the time given. They know that the > district is in too deep with their software to give it up and > will have to > give in to their demands or pay an even bigger "penalty". This > is not the > actions of a legitimate business, this is the strong-arm tactics of a mob > boss or a drug kingpin. > > It is extortion, plain and simple. > > The Vikings used to have similar scam. They would go from town > to town along > the British coast or anywhere else where there were people who could not > defend themselves and make a bargain with the town. "Pay us X > amount in gold > or we sack your town." Such payments were called "danegeld". > > There was also another saying... "Once you pay Danegeld, you > never get rid of > the Dane." > > If the school districts pay off the Microsoft horde, what happens when > Microsoft has another bad quarter? Are they going to fall prey > to another > such "complience audit"? Will there be another way that they > will come in > and suck up more revenue from the cash strapped schools? > > You know damn well they will! > > Next they will want extra licence fees for each printer. Maybe > they will up > it to a per student fee, instead of a per machine. There will always be > something more to pay for. They fees will go up and up because they know > that the school won't run without their software. > > Unless they get out of the game now, while they still can. > > The excuses are pretty standard. > > "They don't want to have to learn new software" Hmmm... > Educators who are > unwilling to learn new things. Maybe they should look up the > definition of > "irony" at this point. > > "It is too much work to change everything over." Well, yes. it > is also about > as much work to conduct the audit and it will cost less in the > long run. The > software applications already exist. > > "Linux is too hard." And Windows is not? Actually there are > versions that > are pretty easy to maintain. The K12TSP is one example. > Mandrake is another > option. Actually, Linux has been getting easier and easier to run and > Microsoft has been getting harder and harder to keep running. There are > community resources that will help with training. > > The question is not just how much it will cost now, but how much > you will keep > paying over and over again years on down the road. > > [This was probably preaching to the chior, but I am wanting to et a basic > layout fornewspaper rant later. Send me comments pro and con and > I will see > if I can get something useful hacked out of it.] > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From fedorp at wv.mentorg.com Tue Apr 23 06:45:48 2002 From: fedorp at wv.mentorg.com (Fedor G. Pikus) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] How to read outputs from sensors? In-Reply-To: <02042221462400.28659@gate> Message-ID: First of all. you need to load the right modules for your sensors. Start by running sensors-detect, it may probe your hardware correctly if you are lucky. If not, you may have to search the lm-sensors discussion list (there is a link from lm-sensors web page) or search newsgroups with Google. After you get the right modules and get them to load on startup (usually you have to load them manually, they won't autoload, so write a script to start them as a service), "sensors" command should show you something. Then it's a matter of tweaking the formulas in sensors.conf for your motherboard (unless someone has already done it and it's included in the sample config file on the mailing list). If you have to tweak it, you will need reference temperature and fan readings, you can get them from BIOS. On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Alex Daniloff wrote: > Hello Linux folkz, > I've downloaded and installed both parts of sensors package. > > i2c-2.6.3.tar.gz > lm_sensors-2.6.3.tar.gz > > Now my question is how I can read my MB / CPU temps, voltages and speed of > the fans? > The sensors documentation seems to be a little bit controversial. > Could somebody please give me an idea or point to the source of information. > Many thanks in advance. > Alex > > > > -- Fedor G. Pikus Mentor Graphics Corporation | Phone: (503) 685-4857 8405 SW Boeckman Road | FAX: (503) 685-1239 Wilsonville, Oregon 97070 | http://www.pikus.net/~pikus/ From bill at coho.net Tue Apr 23 06:11:08 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] how to get a copy of the red hat errata files? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Additionally, you might want to visit an FTP server with an updates directory--that'll have all the updates in one place. Look at RedHat's mirror listing. With a 56k modem you should be able to get them all in two to three weeks. Bill On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Bill wrote: > > It'll only download the ones the laptop needs. Redhat does have an errata > page for each version though--might wanna cruise that. > > Bill > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > > Bill's Log: StarDate 0422.1532: > > > I think that if you run up2date on your one machine it will save all the > > > rpms it downloads in /var/spool/up2date, even after it installs them. Of > > > > Does it download _all_ the rpms, or just the ones that this laptop > > needs. This laptop only has a 3G drive, so I don't have the same tools > > here that I have on the systems at home. My concern is that it won't > > download the 'other' rpms that I'd need for those systems. > > > > -bk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 23 13:45:32 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] SSL is Not a Magic Bullet (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- SSL is Not a Magic Bullet By Brian Hatch Anyone who has filed out their personal or billing info online has likely entered it via a 'secure Web server'. You can tell the transmission is secure because the URL reads 'https://...' instead of http. SSL (http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/S/SSL.html), the secure sockets layer protocol, is the 'S' in HTTPS. [1] The beauty of SSL is its integration into most Web browsers, where it invisibly encrypts Web transactions and prevents any attacker in the middle from seeing the data you send and receive. Attackers can see that you are making a connection to the remote system, but not the transmission's content itself. SSL even authenticates the server, so when you hit https://microsoft.com/jobs/stop_bugging_me.asp, you know that you are talking to the Evil Empire and no cracker could be positioned between you, intercepting or modifying the packets. Unfortunately, many folks look at SSL as the magic answer to all security concerns. Every three months or so, I find myself giving a discussion about what SSL does and does not protect. SSL guarantees: * The server you want to contact is the one you got. SSL verifies that the server's certificate (similar to a public key) is signed by a trusted entity from your browser's preinstalled list of companies that it trusts. [1] * No attacker can read or modify the data being transmitted between you and the Web server. That's it, and nothing else. In fact, if you got a warning about a certificate problem and you blindly click, 'Ok, ok, sure, whatever, yeah', then you aren't even guaranteed the above two points. Now let's see a partial list of things that SSL does not protect you from: * Host Insecurities -- People frequently think that having an SSL- enabled Web server, often just called a 'secure Web server,' secures the machine itself. No, you still need to keep patches up to date, harden your system, turn off unneeded services, and check your logs. * Stupid Programming (CGI/mod_perl/etc) Mistakes -- The transmission may be encrypted but an attacker can still connect and try to break your buggy software. And since it's encrypted, your IDS systems can't even warn you about it. * Is the Web page Run by the People You Think? -- The SSL certificate is based on the host name, nothing else. I can get a certificate for 'buildinglinuxvpns.net' since I own it. However, I can whip up the content that looks just like your bank, complete with forms for account numbers and passwords, and host it there. I could even have it relay the info to your bank such that it shows you everything exactly as it should be, but saving a decrypted copy the whole while. You're not likely to fall for this trick with such a blatantly unrelated URL, but what if an attacker registered 'www.my_banks.com' when the real URL was supposed to be 'www.my_bank.com'? An easy typo, and you may never notice the difference. * Backend cleartext storage and transmissions. Many Web servers get and store data using outside sources, such as databases or flat files. You may be entering your credit card on a secure channel, but they may still be taking it and emailing it in the clear to their main office for processing. You may feel that many of the things I listed above are obvious. For that matter, you may feel offended that I'd even mention some of them. However I find that people are often confused, and don't realize where the security of SSL begins and ends. This usually results in hours of bickering about security needs before we figure out exactly where the faulty assumptions came from. NOTES [1] TLS, the Transport Layer Security protocol, is the latest/greatest version of SSL, but it's not as widely available in browsers so most folks still just say SSL. However SSL/TLS is more accurate. [2] Now how much you trust the folks who wrote your browser is a different question all together. About the author(s) ------------------- Brian Hatch is Chief Hacker at Onsight, Inc, author of Hacking Linux Exposed and Building Linux VPNs, and the maintainer of http://www.stunnel.org, home to Stunnel, the Universal SSL Wrapper. He likes SSL, really. He just doesn't like seeing it abused, mistreated, or expected to cure cancer. Brian can be reached at brian at hackinglinuxexposed.com. ________________________________________________________________________________ ADDITIONAL RESOURCES The OpenSSL Project http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a56854a76073993a7 Introduction to SSL http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a56854a76073993a0 SSL Basics for Internet Users http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a56854a76073993a2 The SSL Protocol http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a56854a76073993a6 Is SSL dead? http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a56854a76073993a1 From alex at daniloff.com Tue Apr 23 14:06:12 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:06:12 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] How to read outputs from sensors? Message-ID: <02042307061202.29077@gate> Hello, I already did what you've described in here. My question is how and where I can read actual readings from the sensors? Is there any utility or I should read them from /proc/bus/? This is my initial and the only question. Thank you. Alex On Monday 22 April 2002 11:45 pm, you wrote: > First of all. you need to load the right modules for your sensors. > Start by running sensors-detect, it may probe your hardware correctly if > you are lucky. If not, you may have to search the lm-sensors discussion > list (there is a link from lm-sensors web page) or search newsgroups with > Google. > After you get the right modules and get them to load on startup (usually > you have to load them manually, they won't autoload, so write a script to > start them as a service), "sensors" command should show you something. > Then it's a matter of tweaking the formulas in sensors.conf for your > motherboard (unless someone has already done it and it's included in the > sample config file on the mailing list). If you have to tweak it, you will > need reference temperature and fan readings, you can get them from BIOS. > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Alex Daniloff wrote: > > Hello Linux folkz, > > I've downloaded and installed both parts of sensors package. > > > > i2c-2.6.3.tar.gz > > lm_sensors-2.6.3.tar.gz > > > > Now my question is how I can read my MB / CPU temps, voltages and speed > > of the fans? > > The sensors documentation seems to be a little bit controversial. > > Could somebody please give me an idea or point to the source of > > information. Many thanks in advance. > > Alex -- MS Windows users should be covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act! --------------> Try Linux and you'll understand why <-------------- ------------------------------------------------------- From alex at daniloff.com Tue Apr 23 14:01:27 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:01:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] How to read outputs from sensors? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02042307012700.29077@gate> Hello, I already did what you've described in here. My question is how and where I can read actual readings from the sensors? Is there any utility or I should read them from /proc/bus/? This is my initial and the only question. Thank you. Alex On Monday 22 April 2002 11:45 pm, you wrote: > First of all. you need to load the right modules for your sensors. > Start by running sensors-detect, it may probe your hardware correctly if > you are lucky. If not, you may have to search the lm-sensors discussion > list (there is a link from lm-sensors web page) or search newsgroups with > Google. > After you get the right modules and get them to load on startup (usually > you have to load them manually, they won't autoload, so write a script to > start them as a service), "sensors" command should show you something. > Then it's a matter of tweaking the formulas in sensors.conf for your > motherboard (unless someone has already done it and it's included in the > sample config file on the mailing list). If you have to tweak it, you will > need reference temperature and fan readings, you can get them from BIOS. > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Alex Daniloff wrote: > > Hello Linux folkz, > > I've downloaded and installed both parts of sensors package. > > > > i2c-2.6.3.tar.gz > > lm_sensors-2.6.3.tar.gz > > > > Now my question is how I can read my MB / CPU temps, voltages and speed > > of the fans? > > The sensors documentation seems to be a little bit controversial. > > Could somebody please give me an idea or point to the source of > > information. Many thanks in advance. > > Alex -- MS Windows users should be covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act! --------------> Try Linux and you'll understand why <-------------- From guy1656 at ados.com Tue Apr 23 14:32:57 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:32:57 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OT - Godless OS, etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020423142208.037F734915@ados.com> .. May have fallen off the same deep end as folx who get torqued about Procter & Gamble's moon and 13 stars logo... GLL # Reply regarding [PLUG] Open Source and Godless Communisn from Bill: # This is almost too funny to be true, but apparently it is. This guy is # a) riled that PBS has a program on evolution, # b) upset that apple uses, well, an apple as its symbol (Eve and the fruit, # remember?), # c) Upset that OSX is based on an open-source project (godless # communism) named after Darwin, # d) further upset that Apple adopted the cute little demon from BSD (which # he calls an 'obsolete operating system'), # e) and finally annoyed by all the daemons running in the background, and # people typing in 'chmod 666 [filename].' # # Oh and apparently the first mac was priced at $666 (I didn't follow the # link to confirm this--feel free to look up the true fac's). From guy1656 at ados.com Tue Apr 23 15:05:15 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:05:15 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] chmod 666 vs 777 Message-ID: <20020423145425.AC8FE34C57@ados.com> If the guy got so bent about 'chmod 666,' then why doesn't he become enthusiastic to the same degree about a command like 'chmod 777?' GLL From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Tue Apr 23 16:37:02 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:37:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA7E8@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> I wonder if everyone sees the one consequence of this. DOS made M$ because back then, to call a computer an "IBM Compatable", it had to have MS-DOS. Legally, you had to buy a license or you couldn't use that term. Given that you had to pay for the license, you might as well use DOS rather than pay for another license from another company, if you were a manufacturer. The new license for schools does the same thing. If they have to pay for a license for every computer, why buy a MAC or Linux machince? You have payed for the license already for Windows. Maybe I am stating the obvious... From longman at sharplabs.com Tue Apr 23 16:49:28 2002 From: longman at sharplabs.com (Longman, Bill) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:49:28 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$soft challenge... Message-ID: > > The issue of installing only properly licensed software > came up while > > I was working at Computer Bits, so I spent some time > reading the fine > > print. At the time, WordPerfect (7, then 8) did allow a dual > > installation, providing you only ran one copy at a time. MS > Office 95 > > did not allow it. I haven't read the WordPerfect or Office licenses > > since then, so my knowledge is definitely outdated. The current EULA for Microsoft _desktop application_ software states that the user can install one copy on their main desktop machine and, if they use a portable laptop machine, may install a copy there as well. This is NOT the case for their OS which is specifically designated to a particular machine. From wcooley at nakedape.cc Tue Apr 23 16:54:43 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:54:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] chmod 666 vs 777 In-Reply-To: <20020423145425.AC8FE34C57@ados.com>; from guy1656@ados.com on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 08:05:15AM -0700 References: <20020423145425.AC8FE34C57@ados.com> Message-ID: <20020423095443.C18848@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach guy1656 on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 08:05:15AM PDT > If the guy got so bent about 'chmod 666,' then why doesn't he become > enthusiastic to the same degree about a command like 'chmod 777?' Because he's an idiot. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wcooley at nakedape.cc Tue Apr 23 16:57:28 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:57:28 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA7E8@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com>; from craighead.scot@vectorscm.com on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:37:02AM -0700 References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA7E8@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <20020423095728.D18848@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Craighead, Scot D on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:37:02AM PDT > I wonder if everyone sees the one consequence of this. DOS made M$ > because back then, to call a computer an "IBM Compatable", it had to > have MS-DOS. Legally, you had to buy a license or you couldn't use > that term. Given that you had to pay for the license, you might as well > use DOS rather than pay for another license from another company, if you > were a manufacturer. The new license for schools does the same thing. > If they have to pay for a license for every computer, why buy a MAC or > Linux machince? You have payed for the license already for Windows. > Maybe I am stating the obvious... Yes, I believe you are correct--and that is part of Microsoft's intention. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dirk From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Tue Apr 23 17:34:49 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:34:49 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA7EF@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Wil Spoke thusly: >Yes, I believe you are correct--and that is part of >Microsoft's intention. I wonder if there is any way to get this on the local TV news. If there is anything I can do to help schools move to Linux, I would like to help. From codeyeti at yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 17:43:04 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:43:04 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] chmod 666 vs 777 References: <20020423145425.AC8FE34C57@ados.com> Message-ID: <3CC59D26.37529B21@yahoo.com> But the whole operating system is named "Unix"... not exactly in-line with the New Testament commandment "Go forth and multiply". Besides, weren't Unix's the pawns of wealthy sultans used to guard their harems? Like OMG!! Don't worry, it's a pun. http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19991214 guy1656 wrote: > If the guy got so bent about 'chmod 666,' then why doesn't he become > enthusiastic to the same degree about a command like 'chmod 777?' > > GLL > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas *Fscking* Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From griffint at aracnet.com Tue Apr 23 18:00:55 2002 From: griffint at aracnet.com (Terry Griffin) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] SAO Linux Event Message-ID: <200204231800.g3NI0tZ24093@shell1.aracnet.com> I interrupt this list to bring you the following announcement from the SAO. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Change the Game with Linux" The Software Association of Oregon (SAO), ISSA and SIM would like to invite you to attend a CIO/IT Leaders Forum on Linux and Open Source to discuss, "If you build your house on Linux, is it built on rock or sand?" We invite all CIOs, CTOs, IT and IS Managers to Change the Game with Linux. And if you have already registered for this event, we look forward to seeing you there! date: April 30, 2001 place: Oregon Zoo time: 5:30 - 8:00 pm cost: $25 to all SAO, ISSA and SIM members, $40 for nonmembers. (includes dinner) PLEASE REGISTER FOR THIS EVENT AT www.sao.org Come hear why Linux is ready for the Enterprise now and where it is going next. Dr. Daniel Frye, Director of the IBM Linux Technology Center, will discuss the IBM Linux strategy, why Linux is ready for the Enterprise now, and why IBM spent a billion dollars on Linux last year. Tim Witham, Director of the Open Source Development Laboratory, will discuss where Linux, the fastest maturing operating system in history, is going next. And Amar Kamadoli of Axian will discuss why it's hot, and pros and cons of usage. Speakers: Dan Frye, IBM Linux Technology Center Daniel D. Frye, Director, Linux Technology Center (LTC) is responsible for overseeing IBM's Linux technical strategy and IBM's participation in the open source Linux development community. Amar Kamadoli, Consulting Engineer & Instructor, Axian Amar is a software developer specializing in Linux/Samba administration and configuration in a Windows/Linux environment, as well as a certified instructor for the Red Hat Certified Engineer Course and the Linux Use and Administration and Linux Programming Essentials courses. Tim Witham, Director, Open Source Development Lab Tim Witham has been a user of Linux since 1995 and has been advocating Linux and open source issues inside of corporations for the last 5 years. In the last 2 years he has been the Linux program manager in Intel's Microprocessor Software Laboratories responsible for coordination of technical open source issues and serving as the advocate for open source developers needs. All payments and registrations received after the pre-registration deadline will be taken on a space available basis. No refunds will be given for cancellations after the pre-registration deadline. If you register, do not attend the event, and fail to cancel your registration, you will be sent an invoice. THIS EVENT IS IN THE ZOO. PLEASE ENTER THE ZOO CATERING OFFICES ON THE RIGHT INSIDE THE GATE AND GO DOWNSTAIRS. This event is open to IT Professionals only. The SAO Board of Directors feels strongly that there is strategic value in getting the CIOs, IT Managers and MIS Specialists of Oregon's companies together to build a stronger network in order to solve common problems more effectively. Your input is very important. While we are aware of other networking opportunities that you may be involved in, we believe that the SAO is in the unique position to provide an effective forum for idea sharing and mutual problem solving - building a stronger and more vibrant executive community. And for those of you who don't know us, we'd love to meet you! Please forward this to the CIOs, CTOs, and IT/IS Managers in your company Thanks to our Sponsor! ---------------------- And our partners: ISSA and The Society for Information Management (SIM) Please Register at www.sao.org www.sao.org --- barbara at sao.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Terry -- Terry Griffin http://www.blindchicken.com/~terryg/ From smathews at pcez.com Tue Apr 23 17:55:01 2002 From: smathews at pcez.com (Stuart Mathews) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:55:01 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$soft challenge... References: Message-ID: <3CC59FF5.9DC76F34@pcez.com> "Longman, Bill" wrote: > > > The issue of installing only properly licensed software > > came up while > > > I was working at Computer Bits, so I spent some time > > reading the fine > > > print. At the time, WordPerfect (7, then 8) did allow a dual > > > installation, providing you only ran one copy at a time. MS > > Office 95 > > > did not allow it. I haven't read the WordPerfect or Office licenses > > > since then, so my knowledge is definitely outdated. > > The current EULA for Microsoft _desktop application_ software states that > the user can install one copy on their main desktop machine and, if they use > a portable laptop machine, may install a copy there as well. This is NOT the > case for their OS which is specifically designated to a particular machine. So if you have two PCs in your house, and wanted to upgrade to XP, you have to buy two copies for a total of, what, $225?? Man, I'm glad I made the switch to Linux.... From rplummer at wvi.com Tue Apr 23 17:59:49 2002 From: rplummer at wvi.com (rplummer at wvi.com) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:59:49 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA7EF@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <3CC53EA5.2606.D912F1@localhost> hmmm, seems to me that this type of licencing scheme is part of what got M$ in hot water with the DOJ, only they were doing it with OEMS. Making them pay licencing based on the number of computers manufactured regardless of what OS went on them or the number actually sold. Ray On 23 Apr 2002, at 10:34, Craighead, Scot D wrote: > Wil Spoke thusly: > >Yes, I believe you are correct--and that is part of > >Microsoft's intention. > > I wonder if there is any way to get this on the local TV news. If there > is anything I can do to help schools move to Linux, I would like to help. > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug Ray & Nancy Plummer Copper, Elektra & WOK http://www.nanray.cjb.net/gsdped/gsdbintro.html From mikeraz at patch.com Tue Apr 23 18:41:36 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz at patch.com) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:41:36 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <3CC53EA5.2606.D912F1@localhost>; from rplummer@wvi.com on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:59:49AM -0700 References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA7EF@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> <3CC53EA5.2606.D912F1@localhost> Message-ID: <20020423114136.A27255@patch.com> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:59:49AM -0700, rplummer at wvi.com typed: > hmmm, seems to me that this type of licencing scheme is part of what > got M$ in hot water with the DOJ, only they were doing it with OEMS. > Making them pay licencing based on the number of computers > manufactured regardless of what OS went on them or the number > actually sold. Don't you realize that this is customer service? This is something that Microsoft generously offers to make life easier for the customer? MS to Customer: Don't worry about spending all the time and resources to track which computer has what installed. Just pay us a flat fee for every CPU and you'll save yourself the tedium of tracking what software licence goes with what computer. You have better things to do than track licencing, right? So just pay us a fee for each computer and be rid of that dreadful headache. Why, you'll probably save money in the long run anyway. -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin But keep in mind: You auto buy now. From kort at overalltech.net Thu Apr 18 08:51:28 2002 From: kort at overalltech.net (Kort E Patterson) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 01:51:28 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: [Forms-L] Crossover Office/wine problems References: <20020418040326.12670.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CBE8910.90A60B58@overalltech.net> Robert Kopp wrote: > > Codeweavers has developed Crossover Office, an > application that allows one to run Microsoft's Office > suite on a Linux platform. (Currently I have it > installed on Calders, so I know that it doesn't have > to be Red Hat.) What a coincidence - I've been trying different versions of wine (Linux "windoze emulation"), hoping to find an "out of the box" solution to the last major problem with my desktop server project. I came across Codeweaver's Crossover Office a couple of days ago. I've been "leveraging" the development of my desktop server. As each generation has become stable, I've moved my personal desktop onto the new server for "run testing". I then use the hardware I've just "vacated" for developing a CD capable of building a replica of the mostly hand built system I'm using. I'd worked out all but one of the "obvious" major problems in integrating all of the desktop server's various functions and services, but was going around in circles trying to figure out the cause of the last one. My last problem (which I finally solved this evening) was that every time I tried to print from my windoze inspection products running in wine, the printer would demand A4 size paper instead of letter size. Unable to get the printer to cooperate, my software would try to work with what was available - formating its output to A4 dimensions. On one level, this "drop back and punt" approach might have worked if I actually had A4 paper on hand, but it would still be an unacceptable commercial limitation for my customers. I started out searching the online archives of various newsgroups and tech support discussion groups, as well as checking the usual freshmeat.net and on/off-line documentation resources. I couldn't find a single reference to anyone experiencing a similar problem. The unintended consequences of "excessive individualism" can be such a pain at times like these... My desktop server project is built on a RH 7.2 Raid-1/Ext3 base, but among other things I replace the 2.4.7-10 kernel with a specially patched and configured 2.4.9-13 kernel that supports ltsp and IP6/IPSec, replace lpd with cups for printing, and replace the bundled RH version of wine with a modified later version based on source code downloaded from wine.org. Printing from local Linux and dosemu apps, as well as running as a network printer server for both windoze and Linux clients over samba, tftp, and nfs, all worked fine. After endless experimenting, I'd confirmed (at least to my own satisfaction) that every possible configuration setting in all of the various involved systems/layers was set to "letter" size paper, and no untried "conventional" solutions remained. I looked at Crossover office, and the $50-some cost is probably a reasonable price for someone who needs to run microsoft office - it's unlikely that ms office will ever run in open source wine. But I've had problems with Codeweaver's version of wine in the past, and was unable to get their latest version to print at all - either in a "plain vanilla" RH/lpd install, or in one of my much modified desktop servers using cups. I was concerned that Crossover office wouldn't solve my apparently unique wine printing problem. IFRC, Caldera uses cups. Are you having any problems printing from Crossover office - especially with paper size? I'm still interested in possibly offering Crossover office as an "add-on" option on my desktop server project for those who have to continue using ms office. (I've already "fixed" all of my windoze products to be compatible with open source wine until I can port them to native linux apps.) FWIW, my wine printing problem resulted from the use of a windoze API call by the PDC Prolog library to set/determine the paper size, that is still "stubbed out" in wine. After a great deal of searching and study, I finally found the two ".c" files buried deep in the wine source tree where the "stubbed" missing API code was defaulting to A4 paper size. After editing/kludging the source code and recompiling wine yet again (compiling wine seems to take about as long as recompiling the linux kernel), my windoze/wine inspection products now print perfectly - at least on the HP laser and inkjet printers I've got handy! -- Kort E Patterson http://www.overalltech.net http://www.hevanet.com/kort From ejahn at worksystems.org Tue Apr 23 19:26:43 2002 From: ejahn at worksystems.org (Eric Jahn) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:26:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Java 1.4.0 Compiler problems Message-ID: <319FB8934F09BF48A3F3228370882667385E99@wsimail.worksystems.org> My javac command compiled correctly the first time I used it, but now it does not create a .class file even though javac reports no compiler errors. Anyone else see this? From dmandel at pdxLinux.org Tue Apr 23 19:41:06 2002 From: dmandel at pdxLinux.org (David Mandel) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] HELP WANTED: Senior Linux System Administrator Message-ID: A person has contacted me looking for a very experienced Unix System Administrator to administrate a very large Linux system. The employer is looking for a very senior person with work experience in: - parallel computing Needs knowledge of high end hardware and software used in building large clusters. - scientific computation Should have knowledge of FORTRAN, MPI, and other tools used on large scientific systems. - large scale computer operations Should have experience with system that have to be up - all the time. - Management experience Must have excellent communication and people skills. - Must be able to relocate Job is in Pacific Northwest, but not in driving distance of Portland, Salem, or Eugene. If interested contact chrisbkr at pacifier.com who can send you a complete job description. Sincerely, David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 1440 NE 59th Portland, Oregon 97213 (360) 260-2066 at work (541) 730-5285 cell ====================================================================== David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com Other Affiliations David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org ====================================================================== From derek at infotects.com Tue Apr 23 19:44:14 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: 23 Apr 2002 12:44:14 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] SAO Linux Event In-Reply-To: <200204231800.g3NI0tZ24093@shell1.aracnet.com> References: <200204231800.g3NI0tZ24093@shell1.aracnet.com> Message-ID: <1019591055.2541.1043.camel@dereklinux> On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 11:00, Terry Griffin wrote: > > date: April 30, 2001 > place: Oregon Zoo > time: 5:30 - 8:00 pm > cost: $25 to all SAO, ISSA and SIM members, $40 for nonmembers. > (includes dinner) Is that a typo, or did this happen last year? Derek From rddunlap at osdl.org Tue Apr 23 19:43:12 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] SAO Linux Event In-Reply-To: <1019591055.2541.1043.camel@dereklinux> Message-ID: On 23 Apr 2002, Derek Loree wrote: | On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 11:00, Terry Griffin wrote: | > | > date: April 30, 2001 | > place: Oregon Zoo | > time: 5:30 - 8:00 pm | > cost: $25 to all SAO, ISSA and SIM members, $40 for nonmembers. | > (includes dinner) | | Is that a typo, or did this happen last year? It is April 30, 2002. -- ~Randy From derek at infotects.com Tue Apr 23 20:10:13 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: 23 Apr 2002 13:10:13 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Woody install question In-Reply-To: <3CC47603.6070308@spamcop.net> References: <3CC454DB.3010405@spamcop.net> <1019507270.3cc472466eb5a@192.168.1.15> <3CC47603.6070308@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <1019592639.2541.1061.camel@dereklinux> On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 13:43, Richard F Seymour wrote: > Is there a way to get into the install process and just do the step(s) I > left out? > If you're up and running, there is no need to reinstall. I think what you are after can be accomplished by just changing your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Comment out the references to disks, and add references to http: and/or ftp: sources, these work for me; if you don't want to run the unstable version, change sid to woody everywhere (I recommend this, updates can be a PITA when using sid). deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US sid/non-US main contrib non-free deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US sid/non-US main contrib non-free deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian woody non-free After these have been added, run dselect, or aptitude, update the list of packages, select any new packages that you want, and then initiate the install. I know that apt-get or dpkg can do the same (they use the same sources.list), I just don't remember the commands. HTH Derek Loree From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Tue Apr 23 20:32:53 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:32:53 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Proftpd with mod_sql Message-ID: <20020423133253.C17569@dalsemi.com> Has anyone tried using a MySQL database to authenticate users with proftpd? If so, would you mind sending me the relevant chunk of your proftpd.conf file? I can't seem to stop mine from using PAM instead of SQL. Thanks, Colin From longman at sharplabs.com Tue Apr 23 21:01:39 2002 From: longman at sharplabs.com (Longman, Bill) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:01:39 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Cygwin SSH Ctrl-C problem Message-ID: Does anyone else on the list run SSH with Cygwin? I have really gotten fed up with its handling of Ctrl-C. Here's what it does: I ssh into a host and am happily running my apps, blah, blah. One of them takes long enough and I hit Ctrl-C and !BAM! I get thrown all the way back to my local shell prompt. What can I do to prevent this? Is there something I need to change in my sshd's settings or in my local stty settings? I've noticed that neither telnet nor rsh have this problem. Here are stty settings once I get logged in with ssh: mandrake8.1$ stty -g 500:5:bf:8a3b:3:1c:7f:15:4:0:1:0:11:13:1a:0:12:f:17:16:0:0:2f:0:0:0:0:0:0:0: 0:0:0:0:0:0 ~ mandrake8.1$ stty -a speed 38400 baud; rows 90; columns 132; line = 0; intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^?; kill = ^U; eof = ^D; eol = ; eol2 = ; start = ^Q; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; rprnt = ^R; werase = ^W; lnext = ^V; flush = ^O; min = 1; time = 0; -parenb -parodd cs8 -hupcl -cstopb cread -clocal -crtscts -ignbrk -brkint -ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl ixon -ixoff -iuclc -ixany -imaxbel opost -olcuc -ocrnl onlcr -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel nl0 cr0 tab0 bs0 vt0 ff0 isig icanon iexten echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -xcase -tostop -echoprt echoctl echoke ~ mandrake8.1$ Killed by signal 2. me at localhost ~ $ stty -g 50a:9:bf:d1f:0:f:0:0:4:8:3:15:16:1:1c:12:11:13:1a:1a:0:17 me at localhost ~ $ stty -a speed 38400 baud; rows 90; columns 132; line = 0; intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^H; kill = ^U; eof = ^D; eol = ; eol2 = ; start = ^Q; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; rprnt = ^R; werase = ^W; lnext = ^V; flush = ^O; min = 1; time = 0; -parenb -parodd cs8 -hupcl -cstopb cread -clocal -crtscts -ignbrk brkint -ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl ixon -ixoff -iuclc -ixany imaxbel opost -olcuc -ocrnl onlcr -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel nl0 cr0 tab0 bs0 vt0 ff0 isig icanon iexten echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -tostop echoctl echoke mandrake8.1$ stty -g 504:5:4bd:8a3b:3:1c:7f:15:4:0:1:0:11:13:1a:0:12:f:17:16:0:0:2f:0:0:0:0:0:0:0 :0:0:0:0:0:0 ~ mandrake8.1$ stty -a speed 9600 baud; rows 90; columns 132; line = 0; intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^?; kill = ^U; eof = ^D; eol = ; eol2 = ; start = ^Q; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; rprnt = ^R; werase = ^W; lnext = ^V; flush = ^O; min = 1; time = 0; -parenb -parodd cs8 hupcl -cstopb cread -clocal -crtscts -ignbrk -brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl ixon -ixoff -iuclc -ixany -imaxbel opost -olcuc -ocrnl onlcr -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel nl0 cr0 tab0 bs0 vt0 ff0 isig icanon iexten echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -xcase -tostop -echoprt echoctl echoke From david at davudsplace.net Tue Apr 23 21:08:58 2002 From: david at davudsplace.net (david may) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:08:58 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. Message-ID: <15557.52586.320424.901539@davudsplace.net> I joined this list yesterday after reading about the school audit thing on slashdot. There was some mention of volunteers helping some schools switch to linux .. is this actually happening? I'm going to have some free time as my current contract is up in a week or so.... davud www.davudsplace.net From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 23 21:46:55 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <15557.52586.320424.901539@davudsplace.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, david may wrote: > I joined this list yesterday after reading about the school audit thing on > slashdot. There was some mention of volunteers helping some schools > switch to linux .. is this actually happening? David, Take a look at . That's the best place to begin. Rich From griffint at aracnet.com Tue Apr 23 22:00:06 2002 From: griffint at aracnet.com (Terry Griffin) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: from "david may" at Apr 23, 2002 02:08:58 PM Message-ID: <200204232200.g3NM06U05288@shell1.aracnet.com> davin may wrote: > > I joined this list yesterday after reading about the > school audit thing on slashdot. There was some mention > of volunteers helping some schools switch to linux .. is > this actually happening? > > I'm going to have some free time as my current contract is > up in a week or so.... > I think it's time to revive the old PLUG-edu discussion list. It's been around a long time but not used much lately. I think Microsoft has just given us a very good use for it. Subscribe at: https://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-edu The first time PLUG-edu got a lot of use one of the results was the the K-12 Linux project which you can find here: http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us/linux/ This is probably one of the things that got MS sniffing around here in the first place. The question now is, who's going to learn the lesson from out of this episode? Portland Schools for experimenting with Linux and attracting the attetion of MS, or MS for obnoxious behavior? Personally, I'd like to go for the latter. PLUG-edu anyone? Terry -- Terry Griffin http://www.blindchicken.com/~terryg/ From barkingcorndog at attbi.com Tue Apr 23 22:40:27 2002 From: barkingcorndog at attbi.com (josh) Date: 23 Apr 2002 15:40:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] frustrated with email servers - need help Message-ID: <1019601628.25107.22.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org> Hello everyone, I've been trying to set up a mail server at home so that I can learn how to set it all up and so that I can use my own email addresses. I have installed qmail and can send out, but can't recieve. I think procmail is installed, but don't really know what it's for. Do I need a pop server? Is qmail all that I need to send and recieve mail or do I need something else? I really don't have any idea where to look for documentation, since everything I've read seems to assume that I already know how email servers work. -josh From ed at alcpress.com Tue Apr 23 23:03:53 2002 From: ed at alcpress.com (Ed Sawicki) Date: 23 Apr 2002 16:03:53 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Any insight on UUNET? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1019603033.17739.146.camel@red> On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 19:58, Rich Shepard wrote: > I have a spam factory sending me one or two UCE per day. They all trace > back to uunet.net. I send reports to abuse@ and get an acknowledgement, but > no action. > > Does anyone here have any insight into why they haven't taken action > against the spammer? I know in one case, the ISP is struggling financially > and won't delete an account as long as it brings in money. I wonder if > something similar may be occurring at uunet. Block them at your firewall or mail server. You don't need to put up with this. You'll only be blocking the people that use uunet.net as their mail server. You won't be blocking people that run their own mail servers. I just started blocking rr.com. Screw em. Ed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bill at coho.net Tue Apr 23 22:16:17 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] frustrated with email servers - need help In-Reply-To: <1019601628.25107.22.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org> Message-ID: Well, I can answer _part_ of your question. You need pop (or imap) if you want to retrieve the mail received by you server from another machine. I.e., if your mail server is mail.josh.com and you're on comp.josh.com and want to get your mail, you need a pop server on mail.josh.com. But, if you are on the machine running the mail server, you oughta be able to get it from your local spool file ( probably /var/spool/mail/josh if qmail is set up like sendmail) with your favorite mail user agent (pine, kmail, pronto, elm, etc). I use imap2000 as my pop server (it does both pop3 and imap). Procmail is used for filtering and moving messages around. I don't think you need it, unless you're running pine or somesuch on your mailserver and want to filter messages or move them to a different directory. The other question is, if you send messages to your mail server do they bounce? I mean, is the problem that you can't retrieve messages from the mail server, or that messages sent to that server just don't get there? If you can't retrieve them, you need a pop/imap server, but if the messages bounce, you got a more complex problem and you need some help from somebody who knows qmail (I use sendmail, a real man's mailserver). Bill On 23 Apr 2002, josh wrote: > Hello everyone, I've been trying to set up a mail server at home so that > I can learn how to set it all up and so that I can use my own email > addresses. I have installed qmail and can send out, but can't recieve. I > think procmail is installed, but don't really know what it's for. Do I > need a pop server? Is qmail all that I need to send and recieve mail or > do I need something else? I really don't have any idea where to look for > documentation, since everything I've read seems to assume that I already > know how email servers work. > > -josh > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From jorgens at coho.net Tue Apr 23 23:25:18 2002 From: jorgens at coho.net (Steve Jorgensen) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:25:18 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Any insight on UUNET? Message-ID: <01C1EAE4.5F885DA0.jorgens@coho.net> On Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:04 PM, Ed Sawicki [SMTP:ed at alcpress.com] wrote: > On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 19:58, Rich Shepard wrote: > > I have a spam factory sending me one or two UCE per day. They all trace > > back to uunet.net. I send reports to abuse@ and get an acknowledgement, but > > no action. > > > > Does anyone here have any insight into why they haven't taken action > > against the spammer? I know in one case, the ISP is struggling financially > > and won't delete an account as long as it brings in money. I wonder if > > something similar may be occurring at uunet. > > Block them at your firewall or mail server. You don't need to put up > with this. You'll only be blocking the people that use uunet.net as > their mail server. You won't be blocking people that run their own mail > servers. I just started blocking rr.com. Screw em. > > Ed > << File: signature.asc >> In the past, I have gotten both acknowledgement and action from UUNet on such issues, and they are not having financial trouble that I know of. Also, since they are a fairly major ISP, blocking them might cause problems for you. You might try reporting your complaints through Spamcop who will contact UUNet on your behalf. UUNet might be quicker to respond to Spamcop than to an individual. From carla at bratgrrl.com Tue Apr 23 23:40:33 2002 From: carla at bratgrrl.com (Carla Schroder) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:40:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] frustrated with email servers - need help In-Reply-To: <1019601628.25107.22.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org> References: <1019601628.25107.22.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <200204232336.g3NNamn12905@smtp.easystreet.com> Hi Josh, Some ideas: read "Life With qmail" , by Dave Sill, http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. Have you subcribed to the user mail list, or searched the archives? Lots of good information there, if you ignore the cranky ones. How are you with DNS, is there an MX record pointing to your mail server? You won't need a POP server for local mail handling, that's for remote user access. qmail will deliver directly to your local mailboxes. Carla On Tuesday 23 April 2002 03:40 pm, you wrote: > Hello everyone, I've been trying to set up a mail server at home so that > I can learn how to set it all up and so that I can use my own email > addresses. I have installed qmail and can send out, but can't recieve. I > think procmail is installed, but don't really know what it's for. Do I > need a pop server? Is qmail all that I need to send and recieve mail or > do I need something else? I really don't have any idea where to look for > documentation, since everything I've read seems to assume that I already > know how email servers work. > > -josh > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From barkingcorndog2 at attbi.com Tue Apr 23 23:31:22 2002 From: barkingcorndog2 at attbi.com (josh) Date: 23 Apr 2002 16:31:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Mail to my server gets bounced - need help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1019604682.25107.51.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org> When I try to send email to my server, it just gets bounced. Never arrives at my server. I get messages like this: This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: Your message was not delivered because the destination computer was not found. Carefully check that it was spelled correctly and try sending it again if there were any mistakes. It is also possible that a network problem caused this situation, so if you are sure the address is correct you might want to try to send it again. If the problem continues, contact your friendly system administrator. Host server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org not found The following recipients did not receive this message: Please reply to Postmaster at attbi.com if you feel this message to be in error. Reporting-MTA: dns; rwcrmhc52.attbi.com Arrival-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:25:42 +0000 Received-From-MTA: dns; fuckmicrosoft.com (12.224.138.112) Final-Recipient: RFC822; Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: dns; server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 15:16, Bill wrote: > The other question is, if you send messages to your mail server do they > bounce? I mean, is the problem that you can't retrieve messages from > the mail server, or that messages sent to that server just don't get > there? If you can't retrieve them, you need a pop/imap server, but if > the messages bounce, you got a more complex problem and you need some > help from somebody who knows qmail (I use sendmail, a real man's > mailserver). > > Bill > > On 23 Apr 2002, josh wrote: > > > Hello everyone, I've been trying to set up a mail server at home so that > > I can learn how to set it all up and so that I can use my own email > > addresses. I have installed qmail and can send out, but can't recieve. I > > think procmail is installed, but don't really know what it's for. Do I > > need a pop server? Is qmail all that I need to send and recieve mail or > > do I need something else? I really don't have any idea where to look for > > documentation, since everything I've read seems to assume that I already > > know how email servers work. > > > > -josh > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 23 23:46:57 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Any insight on UUNET? In-Reply-To: <01C1EAE4.5F885DA0.jorgens@coho.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Steve Jorgensen wrote: > In the past, I have gotten both acknowledgement and action from UUNet on > such issues, and they are not having financial trouble that I know of. I got a few acknowledgements, but the spam from 'emailhello.com' keeps coming. The IP address block is assigned to quixotik.com and is part of the uunet.net IP address block. > Also, since they are a fairly major ISP, blocking them might cause > problems for you. You might try reporting your complaints through Spamcop > who will contact UUNet on your behalf. UUNet might be quicker to respond > to Spamcop than to an individual. I've done the spamcop route first. Then I started sending abuse reports there directly. Thanks, Rich From mikeraz at patch.com Tue Apr 23 23:52:19 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz at patch.com) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:52:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Mail to my server gets bounced - need help In-Reply-To: <1019604682.25107.51.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org>; from barkingcorndog2@attbi.com on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 04:31:22PM -0700 References: <1019604682.25107.51.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <20020423165219.D29321@patch.com> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 04:31:22PM -0700, josh typed: > When I try to send email to my server, it just gets bounced. Never > > Your message was not delivered because the destination computer was > not found. Carefully check that it was spelled correctly and try > sending it again if there were any mistakes. >... > Host server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org not found > > > Please reply to Postmaster at attbi.com > if you feel this message to be in error. You might let postmaster at attbi.com know that server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org can be found and has a valid MX record, as shown by: [mikeraz at barley obc]$ host server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org is a nickname for barkingcorndog.homelinux.org barkingcorndog.homelinux.org has address 12.224.138.112 barkingcorndog.homelinux.org mail is handled (pri=10) by barkingcorndog.homelinux.org barkingcorndog.homelinux.org mail is handled (pri=5) by barkingcorndog.homelinux.org [mikeraz at barley obc]$ dig server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org mx ; <<>> DiG 8.3 <<>> server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org mx ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 5, ADDITIONAL: 6 ;; QUERY SECTION: ;; server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org, type = MX, class = IN ;; ANSWER SECTION: server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org. 11h59m27s IN CNAME barkingcorndog.homelinux.org. barkingcorndog.homelinux.org. 11h59m15s IN MX 5 barkingcorndog.homelinux.org. barkingcorndog.homelinux.org. 11h59m15s IN MX 10 barkingcorndog.homelinux.org. [ rest of the answer clipped for brevity. ] I also sent you a message at the root at ... address. It hasn't bounced yet, so perhaps you have it already. If that is so, you've been beating your head on the wall for an ATT problem. :) -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin But keep in mind: The shortest distance between any two puns is a straight line. From mikeraz at patch.com Tue Apr 23 23:54:56 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz at patch.com) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:54:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Mail to my server gets bounced - need help In-Reply-To: <1019604682.25107.51.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org>; from barkingcorndog2@attbi.com on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 04:31:22PM -0700 References: <1019604682.25107.51.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <20020423165456.E29321@patch.com> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 04:31:22PM -0700, josh typed: > > Host server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org not found > As I typed a moment ago, that host is findable. But the message I sent to the address you listed resulted in: Apr 23 16:50:54 barley postfix/smtp[29397]: 81E718954: to=, relay=barkingcorndog.homelinux.org[12.224.138.112], delay=1, status=bounced (host barkingcorndog.homelinux.org[12.224.138.112] said: 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)) So it looks like you need to tell qmail that it should allow mail to barkingcorndog.homelinux.org. -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin But keep in mind: Ryan's Law: Make three correct guesses consecutively and you will establish yourself as an expert. From fedorp at wv.mentorg.com Wed Apr 24 00:18:20 2002 From: fedorp at wv.mentorg.com (Fedor G. Pikus) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] How to read outputs from sensors? In-Reply-To: <02042307061202.29077@gate> Message-ID: The command "sensors" will read the sensors and print the readings. If you want to do it yourself from your won program, "sensors" just reads /proc, look at the source for "sensors" to figure out what it reads. On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alex Daniloff wrote: > Hello, > I already did what you've described in here. > My question is how and where I can read actual readings from the sensors? > Is there any utility or I should read them from /proc/bus/? > This is my initial and the only question. > Thank you. > Alex > > On Monday 22 April 2002 11:45 pm, you wrote: > > First of all. you need to load the right modules for your sensors. > > Start by running sensors-detect, it may probe your hardware correctly if > > you are lucky. If not, you may have to search the lm-sensors discussion > > list (there is a link from lm-sensors web page) or search newsgroups with > > Google. > > After you get the right modules and get them to load on startup (usually > > you have to load them manually, they won't autoload, so write a script to > > start them as a service), "sensors" command should show you something. > > Then it's a matter of tweaking the formulas in sensors.conf for your > > motherboard (unless someone has already done it and it's included in the > > sample config file on the mailing list). If you have to tweak it, you will > > need reference temperature and fan readings, you can get them from BIOS. > > > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Alex Daniloff wrote: > > > Hello Linux folkz, > > > I've downloaded and installed both parts of sensors package. > > > > > > i2c-2.6.3.tar.gz > > > lm_sensors-2.6.3.tar.gz > > > > > > Now my question is how I can read my MB / CPU temps, voltages and speed > > > of the fans? > > > The sensors documentation seems to be a little bit controversial. > > > Could somebody please give me an idea or point to the source of > > > information. Many thanks in advance. > > > Alex > > -- > MS Windows users should be covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act! > --------------> Try Linux and you'll understand why <-------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Fedor G. Pikus Mentor Graphics Corporation | Phone: (503) 685-4857 8405 SW Boeckman Road | FAX: (503) 685-1239 Wilsonville, Oregon 97070 | http://www.pikus.net/~pikus/ From webmaster at onsitetech.com Wed Apr 24 01:41:21 2002 From: webmaster at onsitetech.com (Christian Brink) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:41:21 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Jeremy Allison reply to the Samba ML about M$ and CIFS Message-ID: Did a quick search thru my archives did not see this so thought it might be interesting. On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 04:49:29PM +0200, Davide Dozza wrote: > > Hello guys, > > does anyone knows the implications that the CIFS and SMB Microsoft > licenses may have on samba development ? > > http://news.com.com/2010-1075-882846.html We're consulting the legal staff at the FSF for a definitive answer on this. More when we have a US legal opinion. In the meantime, don't panic. We don't think we infringe their patent claims (but this is why we're getting a legal opinion - to make sure this is the case) and the license is for CIFS *documentation*, not any code at present. The opinion of someone who has seen this documentation (not me) is that there is nothing in it that Samba doesn't already implement. In fact it is a significant subset of the SNIA CIFS documentation which the Samba Team has helped prepare. This license seems to have been created (IMHO) to create fear uncertainty and doubt amongst Samba users and vendors using Samba - such as the comments that have been appearing on this list :-). It's a classic marketing tactic I believe. Jeremy. Christian Brink CTO ONSITE! Technology www.onsitetech.com 503.233.1418 cb at onsitetech.com Taking e-Business and Internet Technology To The Extreme! From sean_whitney at bigfoot.com Wed Apr 24 02:31:06 2002 From: sean_whitney at bigfoot.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:31:06 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Galeon package removed, now unavailable? In-Reply-To: <1019244638.11228.6.camel@salusa> References: <1019244638.11228.6.camel@salusa> Message-ID: <20020424023107.695AFC53F@max.seansdomain.org> I think this issue has now resolved itself and galeon is now installable. Sean On Friday 19 April 2002 12:30, Michael Hall hammered on some keys: > Galeon is one of the packages dropped from Woody/testing for the > upcoming release. It was mentioned in a recent Debian Weekly News and, > the last I know, it was a candidate for being dropped due to build > problems on IA64. > > It's possible to use apt 'pinning' to get it back, but you'll be > downloading from Sid/unstable. > > Here's some info on pinning and how to use it to get selected apps from > unstable. I used this to get Galeon a week or so ago. Keep in mind > that this runs the risk of sucking in other dependencies from unstable > with the inherent risks that entails: > > http://www.puddingbowl.org/index.php?GetUnstableApps > > > -mph > > On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 11:28, Tyler F. Creelan wrote: > > After upgrading using apt, my installed galeon package was removed and > > now (according to apt) there are no versions of it available. Any ideas > > what happened? > > > > Specifically: > > > > I ran 'apt-get dist-upgrade', and during the upgrade process the galeon > > package was removed, for no reason from what I could see. Now I have no > > > > galeon, and when I run 'apt-get install galeon', I get this output: > > |Package galeon has no available version, but exists in the database. > > |This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and > > |never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents > > |of sources.list > > |E: Package galeon has no installation candidate > > > > 'apt-cache search galeon' yields only the following package: > > |wprint - Print any charset from web browsers and HtmlDoc > > > > My 'sources.list' has not been changed at all and it seems unlikely the > > package maintainers would "obsolete" galeon, so I'm baffled why it would > > be removed. I also did a search at: > > > > http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages > > > > I found galeon wasn't listed among the 'testing' packages, only among the > > unstable ones. I can't remember whether or not my old installation > > was unstable or testing, however I do know it was achieved with the > > same sources.list file. > > > > So what I'd like to know is: > > > > 1) Why did 'apt-get dist-upgrade' remove my galeon package? > > > > 2) Why is this package no longer available using the same sources.list > > file? > > > > 3) How do I reinstall and get back the bookmarks I collected during the > > old installation? > > > > Any ideas would be appreciated. Also, my sources.list (format > > not preserved) is appended below. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Tyler > > > > > > /etc/apt/sources.list > > -------------------------- > > #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 _Woody_ - fsn.hu's i386 Binary-1 > > (20011109)]/ u > > nstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free non-free > > > > deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib > > deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib > > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib > > non-free > > deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main > > contrib non-f > > ree > > deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free > > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free > > deb http://debian.parsed.net unstable main > > deb-src http://debian.parsed.net unstable main > > # java from blackdown.org (Sun Java 2) > > deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody non-free > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- This here's the wattle, The emblem of our land. You can stick it in a bottle; You can hold it in your hand. Amen! -- Monty Python From jason at vancleve.com Wed Apr 24 02:56:57 2002 From: jason at vancleve.com (Jason Van Cleve) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:56:57 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <200204232200.g3NM06U05288@shell1.aracnet.com> Message-ID: Terry, Perhaps, but this would seem a pretty relevant issue to PLUG at large. It's cool that so many people are coming out of the woodwork to fight in this battle, but I suggest if their help is really needed, they must be kept in the loop, even if they don't bother or are not able to join a separate list. And they ought to be given useful instructions on what they can do (myself especially), according to their skills. I suggest to fight effectively, this willing army will need a commander. --Jason V. C. > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Terry Griffin > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:00 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. > > > davin may wrote: > > > > I joined this list yesterday after reading about the > > school audit thing on slashdot. There was some mention > > of volunteers helping some schools switch to linux .. is > > this actually happening? > > > > I'm going to have some free time as my current contract is > > up in a week or so.... > > > > I think it's time to revive the old PLUG-edu discussion list. It's been > around a long time but not used much lately. I think Microsoft has just > given us a very good use for it. Subscribe at: > > https://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-edu > > The first time PLUG-edu got a lot of use one of the results was the > the K-12 Linux project which you can find here: > > http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us/linux/ > > This is probably one of the things that got MS sniffing around here in > the first place. The question now is, who's going to learn the lesson > from out of this episode? Portland Schools for experimenting with Linux > and attracting the attetion of MS, or MS for obnoxious behavior? > Personally, I'd like to go for the latter. PLUG-edu anyone? > > Terry > > -- > Terry Griffin > http://www.blindchicken.com/~terryg/ > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From briand at aracnet.com Wed Apr 24 03:38:14 2002 From: briand at aracnet.com (briand at aracnet.com) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:38:14 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] hosts file and dhcp Message-ID: <15558.10406.576875.629741@soggy.deldotd.com> pluggers, I'm trying to allow another computer on my network to access a printer and apparently I need to set-up a hosts.allow file. The computer is using dhcp, so I'm wondering how you go about figuring out what ip address corresponds to the hostname when it's possible that the ip address will change. Also, exactly how many copies of lpd should run on a given system ? Every time I run lpd on one of my machines (the remote one) two copies end up running. On my server only one copy runs. I'm suspecting that the remote machine is running two copies because one handles the remote printer and one handles the local printer. Is that right ? Thanks Brian From krisa at subtend.net Wed Apr 24 03:41:57 2002 From: krisa at subtend.net (Kris) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:41:57 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Anti-microsoft & DDSD Message-ID: <20020424034157.GC25291@subtend.net> Regarding the recent licensing attacks against our Oregon schools, I wrote a letter to David Douglas School District where I helped them build their first district network waayy back in 1993-1996. I offered to help them in any way to replace MS products with free software. I received a friendly and prompt reply back from the IT department head. A new elementary school is opening soon and they plan to fully deploy Linux, with some Mac in the mix. He also told me he took a team over to see Riverdale SD's operation and was impressed. Here is a snippit from the email I received: "Perfect timing. We will be opening a "new" elementary school in the fall - Earl Boyles, formerly AIM HS, will be remodeled and expanded. Our plan is to start with 25 Linux stations in classrooms, along with some desktop Macs and iBooks. We are just starting out in the Linux arena, but are excited about the possibilities. I took a team from Earl Boyles along with and from our IT Dept to visit Riverdale SD. they have been using Linux for quite awhile and are very pleased with it. I, too, am offended by the Microsoft tactics, and would like to use Earl Boyles as the first stage of changing over to a free software system." I'm glad to see DDSD is eager to help the fight against MS. I will be meeting with them soon to discuss how I can help them in this deployment, and possibly other opportunities. I would encourage others to pick a school district in your area, or one you graduated from and start volunteering! The more linux skills these kids get the better. Hmm.. maybe I could volunteer some linux instruction courses...? Back when I was a Junior I remember teaching a DOS 6 course after school to teachers. Yes, I was an anti-social geek in HS, but wasn't everyone on this list? -- I'm just a packet pusher. From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Apr 24 03:46:41 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Anti-microsoft & DDSD In-Reply-To: <20020424034157.GC25291@subtend.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Kris wrote: > Yes, I was an anti-social geek in HS, but wasn't everyone on this list? No. I spent my high school years heading the electronics committee for the cyclotron project, playing soccer and dating. BTW, we were the first high school in the country to have a working cyclotron. It went into operation just before graduation in June, 1962. Rich From briand at aracnet.com Wed Apr 24 04:53:02 2002 From: briand at aracnet.com (briand at aracnet.com) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:53:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] lpd and /dev/lp0 blocks apm suspend Message-ID: <15558.14894.918050.519535@soggy.deldotd.com> Looks like when I enable lpd and one of the entry is the local parallel port, suspend stops working. The suspend will hang and the minute I kill the lpd process the laptop will then suspend. Anybody have any ideas ? I'm pretty sure I'm running the parport device in polling mode, because I've never been able to get interrupt driven mode to work. I suppose that the interaction of lpd and the parallel port must fool apm into thinking that the port is in use. Brian From carla at bratgrrl.com Wed Apr 24 05:10:05 2002 From: carla at bratgrrl.com (Carla Schroder) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:10:05 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Mail to my server gets bounced - need help In-Reply-To: <20020423165219.D29321@patch.com> References: <1019604682.25107.51.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org> <20020423165219.D29321@patch.com> Message-ID: <200204240506.g3O56IE10628@smtp.easystreet.com> On Tuesday 23 April 2002 04:52 pm, you wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 04:31:22PM -0700, josh typed: > >?When I try to send email to my server, it just gets bounced. Never > >? > >?Your message was not delivered because the destination computer was > >?not found. ?Carefully check that it was spelled correctly and try > >?sending it again if there were any mistakes. > >... > >? ? ? Host server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org not found > >? > >? > >?Please reply to Postmaster at attbi.com > >?if you feel this message to be in error. > > You might let postmaster at attbi.com know that > server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org can be found and has a valid MX record, > as shown by: Excuse me if this is totally obvious and you already took care of it- does your account permit running a server? A lot of ISPs block port 25 these days. Is your firewall configured to allow incoming mail? Carla From heinlein at attbi.com Wed Apr 24 05:07:15 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] high %idle Message-ID: Anyone seen this sort of symtom before? [heinlein]$ iostat Linux 2.2.19-7.0.16enterprise () 04/23/02 avg-cpu: %user %nice %sys %idle 25.87 0.00 13.00 890.23 890% idle time? It's wierd, top shows no CPU-hungry processes, but the load average is now nearly 40.00 and rising. Clues welcome. --Paul Heinlein From mikeraz at patch.com Wed Apr 24 05:16:21 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz at patch.com) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:16:21 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Mail to my server gets bounced - need help In-Reply-To: <200204240506.g3O56IE10628@smtp.easystreet.com>; from carla@bratgrrl.com on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:10:05PM -0700 References: <1019604682.25107.51.camel@enlightenment.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org> <20020423165219.D29321@patch.com> <200204240506.g3O56IE10628@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <20020423221621.A31619@patch.com> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:10:05PM -0700, Carla Schroder typed: > Excuse me if this is totally obvious and you already took care of it- does > your account permit running a server? A lot of ISPs block port 25 these days. > > Is your firewall configured to allow incoming mail? It would seem the answer to both questions is yes: [mikeraz at barley mail]$ telnet server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org 25 Trying 12.224.138.112... Connected to barkingcorndog.homelinux.org. Escape character is '^]'. 220 server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org ESMTP helo barley.patch.com 250 server.barkingcorndog.homelinux.org -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin But keep in mind: Invest in physics -- own a piece of Dirac! From griffint at pobox.com Wed Apr 24 05:26:25 2002 From: griffint at pobox.com (Terry Griffin) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:26:25 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200204240526.g3O5QGt5009383@mail3.aracnet.com> There's giving useful instructions (better, useful ideas) on what people can do, and then there's coming up with those ideas in the first place. My thinking was to move the latter off the main list. Keep in mind also that a lot of people that would otherwise be inclined to participate in PLUG activities don't because of the high traffic (and sometimes very low signal-to-noise ratio) on the main list. It's just more than some people can grok every day. I think the army/commander analogy isn't going to fly. Open Source and Linux is driven by distributed processing, human style. Linus doesn't tell people what part of the kernel to work on. Whenever asked he just says "Work on what interests you." Out of that one command to the masses he gets a pretty nice kernel. This MS offensive has sparked *my* interest. Before this episode my attitude was that open source would inevitibly win out over closed source Actually, I still think that's true, but this MS thing has really cheesed me off and I'm in the mood to speed things up a little. Problem is, I lack for ideas beyond the usual set. (Write your congressman, phone the neighbors, wake the kids, etc.) PLUG-edu seemed like the place to start some discussions about this. In the mean time I might just write my congressman. So what interests YOU? There are lots of ways to help out in the Open-Source world without being a programmer. Here are some (though not directly related to the immediate problem with MS in PDX): - Writing documentation - Translating documentation - Testing software - Teaching others how to use the software - Teaching others how to get connected to the open-source community Do what interests you. Terry On Tuesday 23 April 2002 07:56 pm, Jason V.C. wrote: > Terry, > > Perhaps, but this would seem a pretty relevant issue to PLUG at large. > It's cool that so many people are coming out of the woodwork to fight in > this battle, but I suggest if their help is really needed, they must be > kept in the loop, even if they don't bother or are not able to join a > separate list. And they ought to be given useful instructions on what they > can do (myself especially), according to their skills. I suggest to fight > effectively, this willing army will need a commander. > > --Jason V. C. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Terry Griffin > > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:00 PM > > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. > > > > davin may wrote: > > > I joined this list yesterday after reading about the > > > school audit thing on slashdot. There was some mention > > > of volunteers helping some schools switch to linux .. is > > > this actually happening? > > > > > > I'm going to have some free time as my current contract is > > > up in a week or so.... > > > > I think it's time to revive the old PLUG-edu discussion list. It's been > > around a long time but not used much lately. I think Microsoft has just > > given us a very good use for it. Subscribe at: > > > > https://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-edu > > > > The first time PLUG-edu got a lot of use one of the results was the > > the K-12 Linux project which you can find here: > > > > http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us/linux/ > > > > This is probably one of the things that got MS sniffing around here in > > the first place. The question now is, who's going to learn the lesson > > from out of this episode? Portland Schools for experimenting with Linux > > and attracting the attetion of MS, or MS for obnoxious behavior? > > Personally, I'd like to go for the latter. PLUG-edu anyone? > > > > Terry > > > > -- > > Terry Griffin > > http://www.blindchicken.com/~terryg/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Wed Apr 24 04:39:27 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:39:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] high %idle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It must be that 'new math' stuff. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Paul Heinlein Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:07 PM To: Portland Linux/Unix Group Subject: [PLUG] high %idle Anyone seen this sort of symtom before? [heinlein]$ iostat Linux 2.2.19-7.0.16enterprise () 04/23/02 avg-cpu: %user %nice %sys %idle 25.87 0.00 13.00 890.23 890% idle time? It's wierd, top shows no CPU-hungry processes, but the load average is now nearly 40.00 and rising. Clues welcome. --Paul Heinlein _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From codeyeti at yahoo.com Wed Apr 24 05:50:20 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:50:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] high %idle References: Message-ID: <3CC6479B.D2DC37D4@yahoo.com> Does it do it with a not-so-bleeding-edge kernel? Just curious if somebody changed the /proc stuff and didn't fix up someplace else. Paul Heinlein wrote: > Anyone seen this sort of symtom before? > > [heinlein]$ iostat > Linux 2.2.19-7.0.16enterprise () 04/23/02 > > avg-cpu: %user %nice %sys %idle > 25.87 0.00 13.00 890.23 -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas *Fscking* Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From griffint at pobox.com Wed Apr 24 05:54:07 2002 From: griffint at pobox.com (Terry Griffin) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:54:07 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] high %idle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200204240553.g3O5rwt5021855@mail3.aracnet.com> Do you have any niced processes? Try suspending or stopping them and see if your numbers come back in to line. Terry On Tuesday 23 April 2002 10:07 pm, Paul Heinlein wrote: > Anyone seen this sort of symtom before? > > [heinlein]$ iostat > Linux 2.2.19-7.0.16enterprise () 04/23/02 > > avg-cpu: %user %nice %sys %idle > 25.87 0.00 13.00 890.23 > > 890% idle time? > > It's wierd, top shows no CPU-hungry processes, but the load average is > now nearly 40.00 and rising. > > Clues welcome. > > --Paul Heinlein > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From codeyeti at yahoo.com Wed Apr 24 05:58:16 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:58:16 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] hosts file and dhcp References: <15558.10406.576875.629741@soggy.deldotd.com> Message-ID: <3CC64977.E5CADB08@yahoo.com> You can set up dhcpd to give a particular IP address to a particular MAC (ethernet hardware) address. That way your printer will always be at the same place. Then it's fairly trivial to add the /etc/hosts* entries. briand at aracnet.com wrote: > pluggers, > > I'm trying to allow another computer on my network to access a printer > and apparently I need to set-up a hosts.allow file. > > The computer is using dhcp, so I'm wondering how you go about figuring > out what ip address corresponds to the hostname when it's possible > that the ip address will change. > > Also, exactly how many copies of lpd should run on a given system ? > Every time I run lpd on one of my machines (the remote one) two copies > end up running. > > On my server only one copy runs. I'm suspecting that the remote > machine is running two copies because one handles the remote printer > and one handles the local printer. Is that right ? > > Thanks > > Brian -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas *Fscking* Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From tom-plug at dreamcatcher.cx Wed Apr 24 06:01:47 2002 From: tom-plug at dreamcatcher.cx (tom-plug at dreamcatcher.cx) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:01:47 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Sysadmin interested in volunteering to help schools convert to linux Message-ID: <001f01c1eb55$847dd0b0$0c00a8c0@inspiron> I'd be interested in putting in a week or two setting up Linux boxes and teaching people how to use them to help the schools up there. I live in the Bay Area, so I don't know how feasible it would be to fly me up there, but I have a great deal of experience with Linux and networks (and even getting them to interoperate with MS) as well as experience teaching people about computers. With enough volunteers, all of the offending computers could easily be transitioned to Linux, and everyone instructed in their use. Thank you, Tom Mensch From barryb at proaxis.com Wed Apr 24 07:13:55 2002 From: barryb at proaxis.com (Bill Barry) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:13:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] hosts file and dhcp In-Reply-To: <15558.10406.576875.629741@soggy.deldotd.com>; from briand@aracnet.com on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 08:38:14PM -0700 References: <15558.10406.576875.629741@soggy.deldotd.com> Message-ID: <20020424001355.A30984@edge> You might consider using the cups printing system http://www.cups.org/ . It allows you to control access by username /password as well as ip address. That way you don't have to know the ip address of the client for authentication. Bill Barry On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 08:38:14PM -0700, briand at aracnet.com wrote: > > pluggers, > > I'm trying to allow another computer on my network to access a printer > and apparently I need to set-up a hosts.allow file. > > The computer is using dhcp, so I'm wondering how you go about figuring > out what ip address corresponds to the hostname when it's possible > that the ip address will change. > > Also, exactly how many copies of lpd should run on a given system ? > Every time I run lpd on one of my machines (the remote one) two copies > end up running. > > On my server only one copy runs. I'm suspecting that the remote > machine is running two copies because one handles the remote printer > and one handles the local printer. Is that right ? > > Thanks > > Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From jason at vancleve.com Wed Apr 24 07:30:43 2002 From: jason at vancleve.com (Jason Van Cleve) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:30:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <200204240526.g3O5QGt5009383@mail3.aracnet.com> Message-ID: You may be right, Terry. The military analogy came to mind just because I see a number of people like me who want to fight this thing but don't really know how. If they had a weapon, they'd use it. I may write my congressman, but will it really help? I mean, it isn't very direct, is it? And this issue calls for direct and immediate action. I'm sensing the basic idea among this group is, let's try to save these schools some money (well, save ourselves money, ultimately) by installing Linux on some of their computers before Microsoft comes after them. Now I would bet most of the people who've offered to help have some computer skills. I do Web development and have for years. And I run some services on a Linux server here at home. I am not, as you know, very knowledgeable of Linux, but with a little assistance, I could learn to install and configure Red Hat or Mandrake on a variety of hardware, and I would be willing to support schools learning to use it. If we could form an actual network of Linux admin's, geeks, and enthusiasts, maybe some sort of hierarchy of expertise, then perhaps we could approach some of the schools under fire (sorry, I can't help it--the battle metaphor just works for me here) with a promise to help them get on their feet with a non-M$ platform. The time is right, yes? We could give ourselves a name to make it official, or we could work on behalf of K12Linux. BTW, anyone know if those folks have a plan for this sixty-day ultimatum? What resources have they? It seems to me what would make Linux most attractive to these schools is on-site assistance and a commitment of time, and that's what I see being offered in this list right now. (Personally, I've had a hard time getting Linux down very well, but I'd like to eventually; so for me, the knowledge I would accumulate would be worth my time.) Of course, I suppose this is just what you say should be taken to plug-edu, Terry. I presume that list has been more or less dormant, though; so again, I wonder how many of us would follow the discussion there (I've read the five messages there currently). It seems we have about sixty days to do something about this. I suspect if anything's going to happen, it's likelier to happen here. And while I appreciate your insight into open source development, I doubt whether telling us willing participants to work on what interests us will do much to alleviate the costs our local schools are facing in the very near future. So this is just me taking a pathetic little stab at it. I'm sure I've overlooked some obvious points, but above all, I'm willing to invest myself, at least in the short term, to countering this M$ audit BS, but I need some direction if I'm going to be effective. Just so. Education is one of the few things that really matter to me, and I've been watching our schools falter for too long. --Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Terry Griffin > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:26 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. > > > There's giving useful instructions (better, useful ideas) on what > people can > do, and then there's coming up with those ideas in the first place. My > thinking was to move the latter off the main list. > > Keep in mind also that a lot of people that would otherwise be inclined > to participate in PLUG activities don't because of the high traffic (and > sometimes very low signal-to-noise ratio) on the main list. It's > just more > than some people can grok every day. > > I think the army/commander analogy isn't going to fly. Open Source and > Linux is driven by distributed processing, human style. Linus doesn't > tell people what part of the kernel to work on. Whenever asked he just > says "Work on what interests you." Out of that one command to the masses > he gets a pretty nice kernel. > > This MS offensive has sparked *my* interest. Before this episode my > attitude was that open source would inevitibly win out over closed source > Actually, I still think that's true, but this MS thing has really > cheesed me > off and I'm in the mood to speed things up a little. Problem is, > I lack for > ideas beyond the usual set. (Write your congressman, phone the neighbors, > wake the kids, etc.) PLUG-edu seemed like the place to start some > discussions about this. In the mean time I might just write my > congressman. > > So what interests YOU? There are lots of ways to help out in the > Open-Source > world without being a programmer. Here are some (though not > directly related > to the immediate problem with MS in PDX): > > - Writing documentation > - Translating documentation > - Testing software > - Teaching others how to use the software > - Teaching others how to get connected to the open-source community > > Do what interests you. > > Terry > > On Tuesday 23 April 2002 07:56 pm, Jason V.C. wrote: > > Terry, > > > > Perhaps, but this would seem a pretty relevant issue to PLUG at large. > > It's cool that so many people are coming out of the woodwork to fight in > > this battle, but I suggest if their help is really needed, they must be > > kept in the loop, even if they don't bother or are not able to join a > > separate list. And they ought to be given useful instructions > on what they > > can do (myself especially), according to their skills. I > suggest to fight > > effectively, this willing army will need a commander. > > > > --Jason V. C. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Terry Griffin > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:00 PM > > > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. > > > > > > davin may wrote: > > > > I joined this list yesterday after reading about the > > > > school audit thing on slashdot. There was some mention > > > > of volunteers helping some schools switch to linux .. is > > > > this actually happening? > > > > > > > > I'm going to have some free time as my current contract is > > > > up in a week or so.... > > > > > > I think it's time to revive the old PLUG-edu discussion list. > It's been > > > around a long time but not used much lately. I think > Microsoft has just > > > given us a very good use for it. Subscribe at: > > > > > > https://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-edu > > > > > > The first time PLUG-edu got a lot of use one of the results was the > > > the K-12 Linux project which you can find here: > > > > > > http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us/linux/ > > > > > > This is probably one of the things that got MS sniffing around here in > > > the first place. The question now is, who's going to learn the lesson > > > from out of this episode? Portland Schools for experimenting > with Linux > > > and attracting the attetion of MS, or MS for obnoxious behavior? > > > Personally, I'd like to go for the latter. PLUG-edu anyone? > > > > > > Terry > > > > > > -- > > > Terry Griffin > > > http://www.blindchicken.com/~terryg/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From bill at coho.net Wed Apr 24 07:52:56 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So, has anybody had any luck in contacting folks at the ESD and finding out what help they need? I can setup ix86 linux boxes and get them into a reasonably secure state (especially if I put Bastille on 'em), and I'm sure I could teach users how to deal with the things. No doubt there are plenty of people on the list ready to go out and nuke some windows partitions. But is anybody asking for help? Bill From galens at seitzassoc.com Wed Apr 24 15:27:56 2002 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:27:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] hosts file and dhcp Message-ID: <200204241527.g3OFRuP02982@tinman.seitzassoc.com> Below is a news article from deja. You definitely need a hosts.lpd file, but it looks the name of the client machine needs to resolve via DNS. That's a problem if you are using DHCP. Are you running bind? If so, you could set it up to do dynamic updates. I've got it running that way at the office. Probably overkill for your setup. I think the suggestion to tie the MAC to a fixed IP is probably the easiest. Here's an example from my /etc/dhcpd.conf. host toto { hardware ethernet 08:00:20:75:A0:7F; fixed-address toto.seitzassoc.com; } And the corresponding entry in /etc/hosts. 192.168.1.131 toto.seitzassoc.com toto And /etc/hosts.lpd toto.seitzassoc.com From: pitchl at tdbank.ca (Lew Pitcher) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.setup Subject: Re: hosts.lpd use for print server Organization: Toronto Dominion Bank Financial Group Reply-To: Lew.Pitcher at td.com Message-ID: <3ab8f4fa.2378259 at news21.on.aibn.com> References: <3ab7c1d5.1122434054 at news21.on.aibn.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 77 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:44:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.205.248.1 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 985200246 142.205.248.1 (Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:44:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:44:06 EST On 21 Mar 2001 17:59:39 GMT, nospam at nowhere.dom (Bill Grzanich) wrote: >pitchl at tdbank.ca (Lew Pitcher) wrote in ><3ab7c1d5.1122434054 at news21.on.aibn.com>: > >>I've got Slackware 7.0 installed on a LAN, and am playing with lpd >>'remote print' support. I've got a local printer that I want to be >>enabled for external access via RFC1179 LPD Protocol. I want all hosts >>within our domain to be able to print to this printer and it appears >>that I have to set up the /etc/hosts.lpd file for this. >> >>How do I list hosts in /etc/hosts.lpd such that my entire domain can >>print to this printer? Does it matter that some of the hosts that I >>want to give access to do not have domainnames, just IP addresses? >>What would the format of the entries in /etc/hosts.lpd be? >> >>Lew Pitcher > >Hi, Lew. > >I had the same confusion recently when trying to print from a SuSE box to >the printer attached to a Red Hat 6.0 machine. It turns out that the >hosts.lpd file must contain (at least in my case) ONLY the host NAME of the >remote client machine. In my example, the Red Hat machine with the printer >attached is called "cyrix" and the SuSE machine trying to print was called >"testbed". So, in the /etc/hosts.lpd file on cyrix I entered: > >testbed > >That's it. Printing worked. Go figure. > >I hope this helps. > >-Bill Thanks, Bill. I've done some followup myself. A comment in the Slackware hosts.lpd says that it's format is the same as hosts.equiv. I've found (in "TCP/IP Network Administration" by Craig Hunt) that the hosts.equiv file contains entries in the form of [+ | -] [hostname] [+ | -] [username] so system.domain is valid, as is system . The optional plus or minus is used to add or subtract certain hosts from the permissions list, and can stand alone. For instance, + means that all hosts are allowed access However, it looks like the lpd still uses DNS to resolve the client's hostname (IP to hostname, hostname in hosts.lpd), so our DHCP clients may be out of luck unless they are also DDNS clients. Since (because of circumstances beyond my control) I'm testing using a DHCP client (with no DDNS), I'm not getting through to the print server. lpd doesn't seem to generate much in the way of diagnostics, so it's difficult to tell whether it's the lack of DDNS that's causing the problem, or a misconfiguration on the Linux box. Anyway, I'll keep trying... From m at netpro.to Wed Apr 24 16:04:38 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Sysadmin interested in volunteering to help schools convert to linux In-Reply-To: <001f01c1eb55$847dd0b0$0c00a8c0@inspiron> Message-ID: I'll pay his airfare if someone can provide him with a place to stay. Of course, we'll want to make sure we've coordinated everything with the schools first before we bring him up. ~M On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 tom-plug at dreamcatcher.cx wrote: > I'd be interested in putting in a week or two setting up Linux boxes and > teaching people how to use them to help the schools up there. I live in > the Bay Area, so I don't know how feasible it would be to fly me up > there, but I have a great deal of experience with Linux and networks > (and even getting them to interoperate with MS) as well as experience > teaching people about computers. With enough volunteers, all of the > offending computers could easily be transitioned to Linux, and everyone > instructed in their use. > > Thank you, > Tom Mensch > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From dylan at dylanreinhardt.com Wed Apr 24 16:05:01 2002 From: dylan at dylanreinhardt.com (Dylan Reinhardt) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:05:01 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning Message-ID: <3CBB5E86000086DF@mta07.san.yahoo.com> Normally, a "do what you want" approach seems to produce good results in Open Source / Free Software projects. But we aren't tweaking a kernel here. Responding to Microsoft's threat will require coordination, a plan, and most of all *leadership*. That's because we're talking about existing organizations with existing plans and resources already deployed. Having a bunch of volunteers descend on schools and upgrade computers willy-nilly probably won't be very helpful unless it's part of a robust plan. Managing 25K installations at dozens of locations doesn't just happen. I'm willing to give significant time and what skills I have. So are many people here... but I don't hear anyone from the schools asking for our help just yet. Absent that request, I would suggest that we turn our energy toward things like drawing attention to the issue. MS stands to gain a few million dollars by shaking down schools? I bet we could cost them at least that much in bad publicity if we put our heads together. In many ways, it's not really about Portland Public Schools at all. They are in a really tight spot here, but it's not as though they aren't already well aware of how to deploy Linux. The larger audience for our message are schools, organizations and businesses who think that they can afford Windoze b/c they are just too small or unprofitable for MS to bother with license enforcement. Some of these organizations might hear this story and realize that they want to start working on a migration plan ASAP. As I said, I would pitch in and help PPS at the drop of a hat... but only if they want my help. In the mean time, I wonder if we shouldn't be focusing our energy and outrage at the larger issues this incident represents. My $0.02... Dylan From david at davudsplace.net Wed Apr 24 16:21:16 2002 From: david at davudsplace.net (david may) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:21:16 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <200204240526.g3O5QGt5009383@mail3.aracnet.com> References: <200204240526.g3O5QGt5009383@mail3.aracnet.com> Message-ID: <15558.56188.224684.242609@davudsplace.net> Hi, I'm new to this list so I hope I am not out of order with such a long post.. But i feel wordy this morning:) I do not think that the military analogy is appropiate here. An abusive husband is probably more descriptive. As tempting as it is to surcumb to the desire to battle the evil redmond, I don't think run will be very productive in the long run. Microsoft can not do anything that the people will not allow. And people put up with this controlling behaviour because they do not really think they have alternatives. It is the confidence of the community that needs to be won. Linux is not a MS killer but a Knight in shining armour. It can be a scarry thing to make the switch to Linux. What do you do when Johnny demands a desktop like the one daddy has at home. Or some parent objects. Or something breaks and disrupts the classroom. It can seem easier to just maintain the status quo and MS counts on this behaviour. The battle is psychological not technical. Too often in the heat of that battle we forget that computers are not ends in themselves. They are tools do to other stuff with. Most people do not want to get tangled up in the process of manageing the computer and software. Thay just want to "do stuff". The community needs a commons for this issue. OpenACS (www.openacs.org) can provide this, and can be set up in a couple of days. Once that is done send out email and perhaps even a public service announcement, inviting parents and teachers to participate. Having a focal point can reassure the public. It can also provide a place for people to sign up for install duty, moderation etc. By next Wednesday maybe ?? From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Wed Apr 24 16:20:42 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:20:42 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA7FB@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Jason Van Cleve spoke thusly: >You may be right, Terry. The military analogy came to mind just because I >see a number of people like me who want to fight this thing but don't really >know how. If they had a weapon, they'd use it. I may write my congressman, >but will it really help? I mean, it isn't very direct, is it? And this >issue calls for direct and immediate action. I think Jason is correct. Many people have said that they would like to help, but I think most of us lack direction. Is someone going to contact poeple at schools who are the decision makers for IT? Does anyone know who to call? It mentioned more school districts than just Portland. Does anyone know which other districts we should contact? Someone with good sales skills should contact the decision makers and make a pitch to them. I think we need someone to set some standards to offer the schools like we can install XXXX disto with these settings on each XXXX type of computer. Turning a bunch of people loose in even one school and installing different stuff on each machine would create a huge mess and probably do more damage than good. Some command structure would only help. From griffint at aracnet.com Wed Apr 24 16:22:50 2002 From: griffint at aracnet.com (Terry Griffin) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: from "Bill" at Apr 24, 2002 12:52:56 AM Message-ID: <200204241622.g3OGMoH13166@shell1.aracnet.com> Last I heard, and this is of rumor quality, they're still thinking of trying to pull off the audit. I'm not aware of any requests for help. I think we need to not get hung up on the idea of replacing all of the Windows boxes in 60 days and instead accept the idea that this time around, Microsoft might win. The key is thinking longer term, trying to address some of the technical, procedural, and other issues that prevent Linux from being a viable option as the universal OS for the schools. A lot of it could turn out to be R&D work, i.e. finding out what Windows software packages are used in the schools, and then researching similar packages for Linux. If there are holes, that would point the way to some software development opportunities for the programmers among us. So for example, let's say one or more of you had some expertise in some field, like accounting. A project that might interest you would be to research the available Linux accounting packages, then evaluate them to determine which ones are lame, which ones are pretty good, and which ones could use a little work. From there, figure out what you would recommend to the schools for Linux-based accounting. Schools need lots of other software packages, for e-mail, tracking grades, scheduling classes, educational software for students, and so on. Before rushing in with a universal Linux solution, all these areas need to be explored to see what's available and to identify holes where some software development effort might be required. So out of all that, find areas that interest you and match your skills, then just go with it. Terry > > So, has anybody had any luck in contacting folks at the ESD and finding > out what help they need? I can setup ix86 linux boxes and get them into a > reasonably secure state (especially if I put Bastille on 'em), and I'm > sure I could teach users how to deal with the things. > > No doubt there are plenty of people on the list ready to go out and > nuke some windows partitions. But is anybody asking for help? > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Terry Griffin http://www.blindchicken.com/~terryg/ From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Wed Apr 24 16:33:59 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:33:59 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA7FC@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Thus spoke Terry: >Last I heard, and this is of rumor quality, they're still thinking >of trying to pull off the audit. I'm not aware of any requests for >help. Here's another thought. What if the school district just tells M$ that it will take them 120 days (or whatever) to do the audit and that's how it's going to be? What could M$ really do about it? Sue the school district? Has anyone ever tried this? It's really easy for M$ to send a letter saying do this audit or pay up, but it might be harder for them to deal with someone actually pushing back. From prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com Wed Apr 24 16:47:35 2002 From: prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com (Preston Crawford) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA7FB@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Craighead, Scot D wrote: > install XXXX disto with these settings on each XXXX type of computer. > Turning a bunch of people loose in even one school and installing different > stuff on each machine would create a huge mess and probably do more damage > than good. Some command structure would only help. Well said. This, in my opinion, cries for a meeting. Many of us have never been to a PLUG meeting, many of us just joined this list, but I personally think we'd get a lot done if we met and actually just talked through some of these issues. What can be done, what will actually do some good, etc. Preston From david at davudsplace.net Wed Apr 24 16:52:44 2002 From: david at davudsplace.net (david may) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:52:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: <3CBB5E86000086DF@mta07.san.yahoo.com> References: <3CBB5E86000086DF@mta07.san.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15558.58076.896547.214372@davudsplace.net> I think what is necessary right now is a framework. A commons. Build it and they will come. Leadership will emerge from that. And it very likely will not be from the ranks of Geekdom. The eductional community needs to be part of the process, not simply "targets" or a linux vs MS battlefield. I see the linux community as the engineers that "make it go". But we are often too easily caught up in the mechanics to be very good leaders. But "we can make it go" a lot better than the rest :-) davud >>>>> "Dylan" == Dylan Reinhardt writes: Dylan> Normally, a "do what you want" approach seems to produce Dylan> good results in Open Source / Free Software projects. Dylan> But we aren't tweaking a kernel here. Responding to Dylan> Microsoft's threat will require coordination, a plan, and Dylan> most of all *leadership*. Dylan> That's because we're talking about existing organizations Dylan> with existing plans and resources already deployed. Having Dylan> a bunch of volunteers descend on schools and upgrade Dylan> computers willy-nilly probably won't be very helpful unless Dylan> it's part of a robust plan. Managing 25K installations at Dylan> dozens of locations doesn't just happen. Dylan> I'm willing to give significant time and what skills I Dylan> have. So are many people here... but I don't hear anyone Dylan> from the schools asking for our help just yet. Dylan> Absent that request, I would suggest that we turn our Dylan> energy toward things like drawing attention to the issue. Dylan> MS stands to gain a few million dollars by shaking down Dylan> schools? I bet we could cost them at least that much in Dylan> bad publicity if we put our heads together. Dylan> In many ways, it's not really about Portland Public Schools Dylan> at all. They are in a really tight spot here, but it's not Dylan> as though they aren't already well aware of how to deploy Dylan> Linux. The larger audience for our message are schools, Dylan> organizations and businesses who think that they can afford Dylan> Windoze b/c they are just too small or unprofitable for MS Dylan> to bother with license enforcement. Some of these Dylan> organizations might hear this story and realize that they Dylan> want to start working on a migration plan ASAP. Dylan> As I said, I would pitch in and help PPS at the drop of a Dylan> hat... but only if they want my help. In the mean time, I Dylan> wonder if we shouldn't be focusing our energy and outrage Dylan> at the larger issues this incident represents. Dylan> My $0.02... Dylan> Dylan Dylan> _______________________________________________ PLUG Dylan> mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org Dylan> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From dylan at dylanreinhardt.com Wed Apr 24 17:33:20 2002 From: dylan at dylanreinhardt.com (Dylan Reinhardt) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:33:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning Message-ID: <3CBB5E86000088F2@mta07.san.yahoo.com> At 09:52 AM 4/24/2002 -0700, david may wrote: > I see the linux community as the engineers > that "make it go". But we are often too > easily caught up in the mechanics to be > very good leaders. I see your point, but I have to disagree. Linux is way beyond the point of just attracting engineers and hackers. Many of us are probably among the more technically inclined in our various professions, but lots of Linux users have interests and skills beyond system administration. That might not be apparent from the typical threads on this list, since those of us who are using Linux in non-technical professions probably do more lurking than posting. But we're here and maybe it's time for us to find the way our skills can best benefit the larger project we're all a part of. I'm not likely to offer anyone here the very best perl algorithm or sendmail advice, but I can write a hell of a press release and plan a mean PR campaign. Maybe working with the LDP is the best and most appropriate way for me to contribute, but somehow I doubt it. Just thinkin' out loud... Dylan From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Wed Apr 24 16:47:13 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:47:13 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: <15558.58076.896547.214372@davudsplace.net> Message-ID: Ok, here is a general outline of what I see happening here. We appear to have two groups represented here. One group feels that we should take a passive approach, slowly building a case and finding our own support where we can. This group feels that the audit will likely happen and there is nothing we can do about that and I am inclined to agree. We are dealing with an administration and nothing gets done quickly. This is why Microsoft gave them so little time to meet their demands. They know that there is insufficient time for an alternative to be planned and implemented. The other group wants to take an active approach, get in now and make the changes and force the public to take notice and hopefully provide support. They realize that something must begin now and that waiting will only work against us. I agree with this. Once the school districts have MS in their budget it will take alot more work to get it out. What we need is a merging of these attitudes. The more organized and methodical of a front we can present to the public the more likely we are to get support. RedHat has already stated in response to the USDOJ vs. Microsoft proposed settlement that would offer software and support to schools if MS would provide hardware. There is a good chance that we could get them to make this same agreement with us. That would give us the corporate support needed to be taken seriously. This is not just about MS vs. Linux it is about acountability for our tax dollars as well. A friend of mine is a teacher for a PSD school that cannot afford new books so they are forced to share books that are literally falling apart and missing pages. They don't have any workbooks. The computers and software are grossly outdated, half the time the printers are down, which is a big deal when you don't have workbooks. The money that should be spent buying them decent books and workbooks and upgrading to reasonable hardware is being spent instead on MS. This is wrong. The schools exist to provide an education not support a monopoly when there is a more affordable, viable alternative. This is offensive not only to the parents with children in these schools, but to the public who is paying for something they are not getting. The easiest solution to this is to work with the K12Linux project since they have the resources in place already. However, if they are not interested in a more active approach then now is the time to start something else. Dylan just mentioned that he could write a good press release and mount a PR campaign. We need this kind of support since the public is our best ally. If they support us then the schools will have to do the right thing. I will be attempting to open preliminary talks with RedHat this afternoon, so the sooner we get together and discuss this the better. What is best for everyone as far as times and meeting places? Can I assume tomorrow is too soon? Let me know and we will work on a location. This will be very informal and just a means to get our ideas together and decide what direction to go. If we could get a representative from the K12Linux project to come it would be very good. Many of the statements in this email may be incorrect or poorly founded, but that is why we need a meeting. Let's get this going. Nick Iglehart -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of david may Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:53 AM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning I think what is necessary right now is a framework. A commons. Build it and they will come. Leadership will emerge from that. And it very likely will not be from the ranks of Geekdom. The eductional community needs to be part of the process, not simply "targets" or a linux vs MS battlefield. I see the linux community as the engineers that "make it go". But we are often too easily caught up in the mechanics to be very good leaders. But "we can make it go" a lot better than the rest :-) davud >>>>> "Dylan" == Dylan Reinhardt writes: Dylan> Normally, a "do what you want" approach seems to produce Dylan> good results in Open Source / Free Software projects. Dylan> But we aren't tweaking a kernel here. Responding to Dylan> Microsoft's threat will require coordination, a plan, and Dylan> most of all *leadership*. Dylan> That's because we're talking about existing organizations Dylan> with existing plans and resources already deployed. Having Dylan> a bunch of volunteers descend on schools and upgrade Dylan> computers willy-nilly probably won't be very helpful unless Dylan> it's part of a robust plan. Managing 25K installations at Dylan> dozens of locations doesn't just happen. Dylan> I'm willing to give significant time and what skills I Dylan> have. So are many people here... but I don't hear anyone Dylan> from the schools asking for our help just yet. Dylan> Absent that request, I would suggest that we turn our Dylan> energy toward things like drawing attention to the issue. Dylan> MS stands to gain a few million dollars by shaking down Dylan> schools? I bet we could cost them at least that much in Dylan> bad publicity if we put our heads together. Dylan> In many ways, it's not really about Portland Public Schools Dylan> at all. They are in a really tight spot here, but it's not Dylan> as though they aren't already well aware of how to deploy Dylan> Linux. The larger audience for our message are schools, Dylan> organizations and businesses who think that they can afford Dylan> Windoze b/c they are just too small or unprofitable for MS Dylan> to bother with license enforcement. Some of these Dylan> organizations might hear this story and realize that they Dylan> want to start working on a migration plan ASAP. Dylan> As I said, I would pitch in and help PPS at the drop of a Dylan> hat... but only if they want my help. In the mean time, I Dylan> wonder if we shouldn't be focusing our energy and outrage Dylan> at the larger issues this incident represents. Dylan> My $0.02... Dylan> Dylan Dylan> _______________________________________________ PLUG Dylan> mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org Dylan> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com Wed Apr 24 17:59:50 2002 From: prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com (Preston Crawford) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: <3CBB5E86000088F2@mta07.san.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Dylan Reinhardt wrote: > But we're here and maybe it's time for us to find the way our skills can > best benefit the larger project we're all a part of. I'm not likely to > offer anyone here the very best perl algorithm or sendmail advice, but I > can write a hell of a press release and plan a mean PR campaign. Maybe > working with the LDP is the best and most appropriate way for me to contribute, > but somehow I doubt it. > > Just thinkin' out loud... I'm glad you said this. I really get discouraged when someone gets in the mindset of the Linux community needing direct most of its energy to exactly duplicating the functionality of Windows software. We're never going to catch up at that rate. People are never EVER going to be convinced of the value of Open Source if it's constantly a pure technology race with Microsoft. What's needed is on-the-ground support, training, and assistance to make what exists now accessible. Let those with the technical skills handle the programming and let others (even those of us with technical skills who'd like to help people directly) actually interact with people and show them the benefits of Open Source. Remember, Microsoft got to the point they are in part because of word of mouth, popularity. So PR, human interaction are probably as much if not more necessary than making sure Gnumeric is as easy to use as Excel. Preston From llywrch at agora.rdrop.com Wed Apr 24 17:53:33 2002 From: llywrch at agora.rdrop.com (Geoff Burling) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] high %idle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Paul Heinlein wrote: > Anyone seen this sort of symtom before? Nope. Never used iostat on Linux. (However, a search on Freshmeat shows it is part of the sysstat package, which is currently at release level 4.0.4.) > > [heinlein]$ iostat > Linux 2.2.19-7.0.16enterprise () 04/23/02 > > avg-cpu: %user %nice %sys %idle > 25.87 0.00 13.00 890.23 > > 890% idle time? > > It's wierd, top shows no CPU-hungry processes, but the load average is > now nearly 40.00 and rising. Odd, indeed. I took a look at the source code for iostat, & it reads /proc/stat in a very straightforward manner. (If I can understand the source code with my little C, then it has to be simple.) On my computer the relevant line from /proc/stat reads: cpu 9280639 557083619 5995027 545458765 Add the numbers, then find the percentage the last number (which represents the hundreths of a second the processor has been idle since the last reboot) is of the sum. Unless there's a bug in your copy of iostat, it ought to agree with this quick calculation. Now, in theory, you ought to be able to look at the /proc/*/cpu files & estimate from them how much time each is using from the processor. However, my copy of Documentation/proc.txt doesn't even mention this file, so I can't say if one or more processes are being hid from top -- & perhaps the system -- somehow. (Most of the files in /proc remain a black art to me.) Does ps -aux provide any more light? > > Clues welcome. > Paul, when you find out the cause, please share this with the rest of us. Either you found an interesting bug, or the first hint of a new rootkit. (BTW, what's the info on the processor?) Geoff From david at davudsplace.net Wed Apr 24 17:59:06 2002 From: david at davudsplace.net (david may) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:59:06 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: <3CBB5E86000088F2@mta07.san.yahoo.com> References: <3CBB5E86000088F2@mta07.san.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15558.62058.928755.375091@davudsplace.net> Actually I think you do agree, I just did not express myself well. I think the linux community needs to include users. And that was exactly my point. I was responding to the call for leadership which should be a call to the community as a whole. Geeks AND users and grandmothers etc. I think getting them into the process is the first step. Right now the linux community is heavily weighted on the side of geeks and "engineers". At least the vocal ones. Those lurkers and the folks who do not know what a mount point is, need to feel comfortable speaking up. Thats why I think a frame work is necessary. The third grade teacher in Gresham doesn't want to wade through 16 messages of getting an smpt server working to keep up with the latest on this issue. And She/he may likely feel intimidated by all the techno speak. davud >>>>> "Dylan" == Dylan Reinhardt writes: Dylan> At 09:52 AM 4/24/2002 -0700, david may wrote: >> I see the linux community as the engineers that "make it >> go". But we are often too easily caught up in the mechanics to >> be very good leaders. Dylan> I see your point, but I have to disagree. Linux is way Dylan> beyond the point of just attracting engineers and hackers. Dylan> Many of us are probably among the more technically inclined Dylan> in our various professions, but lots of Linux users have Dylan> interests and skills beyond system administration. Dylan> That might not be apparent from the typical threads on this Dylan> list, since those of us who are using Linux in Dylan> non-technical professions probably do more lurking than Dylan> posting. Dylan> But we're here and maybe it's time for us to find the way Dylan> our skills can best benefit the larger project we're all a Dylan> part of. I'm not likely to offer anyone here the very best Dylan> perl algorithm or sendmail advice, but I can write a hell Dylan> of a press release and plan a mean PR campaign. Maybe Dylan> working with the LDP is the best and most appropriate way Dylan> for me to contribute, but somehow I doubt it. Dylan> Just thinkin' out loud... Dylan> Dylan Dylan> _______________________________________________ PLUG Dylan> mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org Dylan> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com Wed Apr 24 18:05:20 2002 From: prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com (Preston Crawford) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, sendai wrote: > Ok, here is a general outline of what I see happening here. <> > This is not just about MS vs. Linux it is about acountability for our tax > dollars as well. A friend of mine is a teacher for a PSD school that cannot Exactly! I'm a relative Linux newbie. And I don't have any children, but I still believe schools should be run as streamlined as they can in places, so that there's more money for teachers and smaller classes. Thus this kind of waste would bother me even if I was the biggest MS supporter. > If they support us then the schools will have to do the right thing. I will > be attempting to open preliminary talks with RedHat this afternoon, so the > sooner we get together and discuss this the better. What is best for > everyone as far as times and meeting places? Can I assume tomorrow is too I live on the West Side, Beaverton, near light rail. So downtown, close east side, anywhere west side is good. > soon? Let me know and we will work on a location. This will be very > informal and just a means to get our ideas together and decide what > direction to go. If we could get a representative from the K12Linux project > to come it would be very good. Many of the statements in this email may be > incorrect or poorly founded, but that is why we need a meeting. Let's get > this going. I would like to meet as soon as possible, personally. And as far as specific skills go, I am a web programmer and database programmer, so I'd be more than happy to do some JSP/MySQL, whatever would help in that regard. Preston From rddunlap at osdl.org Wed Apr 24 18:01:47 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] high %idle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Geoff Burling wrote: | On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Paul Heinlein wrote: | | > Anyone seen this sort of symtom before? Paul- is this single CPU or SMP? | Nope. Never used iostat on Linux. (However, a search on Freshmeat shows | it is part of the sysstat package, which is currently at release level | 4.0.4.) | > | > [heinlein]$ iostat | > Linux 2.2.19-7.0.16enterprise () 04/23/02 | > | > avg-cpu: %user %nice %sys %idle | > 25.87 0.00 13.00 890.23 | > | > 890% idle time? | > | > It's wierd, top shows no CPU-hungry processes, but the load average is | > now nearly 40.00 and rising. | | Odd, indeed. | | I took a look at the source code for iostat, & it reads /proc/stat in a | very straightforward manner. (If I can understand the source code with my | little C, then it has to be simple.) On my computer the relevant line from | /proc/stat reads: | user nice system idle | cpu 9280639 557083619 5995027 545458765 where idle ::= jif * smp_num_cpus - (user + nice + system) Hence my number_of_cpus question above. | Add the numbers, then find the percentage the last number (which represents | the hundreths of a second the processor has been idle since the last reboot) | is of the sum. Unless there's a bug in your copy of iostat, it ought to | agree with this quick calculation. Last number is idle, not uptime. And times are in jiffies, which is 1/100 second on x86, but not on all processors. So Paul, x86 or sparc or wxyz? -- ~Randy From mikedela at ipns.com Wed Apr 24 18:09:49 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:09:49 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Sysadmin interested in volunteering to help schools convert to linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm pretty sure we have those skills locally, too. I'm currently underemployed and would gladly bring disks and other resources to wherever the PC's are. Somebody find target computers, this list is ready to roll!!! 4/24/02 9:04:38 AM, Matt Alexander wrote: >I'll pay his airfare if someone can provide him with a place to stay. Of >course, we'll want to make sure we've coordinated everything with the >schools first before we bring him up. >~M > > >On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 tom-plug at dreamcatcher.cx wrote: > >> I'd be interested in putting in a week or two setting up Linux boxes and >> teaching people how to use them to help the schools up there. I live in >> the Bay Area, so I don't know how feasible it would be to fly me up >> there, but I have a great deal of experience with Linux and networks >> (and even getting them to interoperate with MS) as well as experience >> teaching people about computers. With enough volunteers, all of the >> offending computers could easily be transitioned to Linux, and everyone >> instructed in their use. >> >> Thank you, >> Tom Mensch >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PLUG mailing list >> PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ---------- Mike De La Mater Mike De La Mater Consulting mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Wed Apr 24 17:10:56 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:10:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here is a list of things that need to be researched. Please add to this list. 1. We need to know which schools are already MESD participants. We know that PSD is, but who else. 2. What are the terms of MESD participation? Do they require a long term contract or is it renewable on a short term basis? In other words how long are schools will it be for schools who do sign before they can make a switch. 3. What skills other than technical can we bring to the table? I have both technical skills and non-technical management skills. 4. Who is prepared to act as a political front? We need the support of the public to make this succeed. 5. Does anyone have connections inside possible corporate backers that might allow us some leverage? This is only a short preliminary list and needs many additions to be comprehensive. Please add to the list any questions we need to answer no matter how trivial they may seem. From wcooley at nakedape.cc Wed Apr 24 18:17:08 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:17:08 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: ; from prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 09:47:35AM -0700 References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA7FB@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <20020424111708.H14635@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Preston Crawford on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 09:47:35AM PDT > > On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Craighead, Scot D wrote: > > > install XXXX disto with these settings on each XXXX type of computer. > > Turning a bunch of people loose in even one school and installing different > > stuff on each machine would create a huge mess and probably do more damage > > than good. Some command structure would only help. > > Well said. This, in my opinion, cries for a meeting. Many of us have never > been to a PLUG meeting, many of us just joined this list, but I personally > think we'd get a lot done if we met and actually just talked through some > of these issues. What can be done, what will actually do some good, etc. I think that before trying to meet and organize, someone really needs to find out who's in charge at the PSD and find out what could be done. It may be that they're totally resistant to a Linux migration or that they'll all for it; I suspect it's somewhere in between, but meeting to talk about what would be done without any idea of what would be done seems like a waste of time. Given that Dylan Reinhardt is taking an active stance, I nominate him to be the PSD liason. I would have nominated Eric or Paul, but they're probably up to their elbows already. It would also be beneficial for our cause to have someone record what's going on and act as a liason with the media or to actually do freelance writing; I can already see a great sensationalist headline: "Local Linux community saves 10 Portland teachers' positions from Microsoft". Given that Michael Rasmussen is an established writer and has expressed interest, I nomintate him. It may be that more than anything else they need warm bodies who can sit at a machine and record license numbers; who's up for that? Will they require any sort of qualifications or background checks or whatever before allowing a body in to do work? That sort of thing could cause a substantial hold-up. As a side note, I know FreeGeek has a long list of people waiting to do volunteer work to get recycled machines; perhaps they would consider allowing volunteers to earn part of their hours with this? I not hip on the FG is doing, so maybe that's not reasonable. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would like to take it one step further, and that is to only list each person once with the number of times they had a failed login. sample of the output: user=usera host=[##.##.##.1] Apr 23 11:09:53 user=usera host=[##.##.##.1] Apr 23 11:10:04 user=usera host=[##.##.##.1] Apr 23 11:10:40 user=usera host=[##.##.##.1] Apr 23 11:10:50 user=userb host=[##.##.##.2] Apr 22 06:43:39 user=userb host=[##.##.##.2] Apr 22 12:02:57 user=userb host=[##.##.##.2] Apr 22 12:03:02 user=userc host=[##.##.##.3] Apr 24 10:38:29 would like: user=usera host=[##.##.##.1] faild logins=4 user=userb host=[##.##.##.2] faild logins=3 user=userc host=[##.##.##.3] faild logins=1 The count needs to change when the user name and ip address change. Is there a easy script command that can do this? Thanks Abraham Z. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ | SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator | 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy at anodizing.com | Portland, OR 97211 | Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 | | The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine | and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From clifford at crestodina.com Wed Apr 24 18:23:19 2002 From: clifford at crestodina.com (clifford crestodina) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:23:19 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Make sure that the first order of business is to replace the file and print servers. These changes are transparent to the user and are the big ticket items for M$. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Preston Crawford Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:05 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: RE: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, sendai wrote: > Ok, here is a general outline of what I see happening here. <> > This is not just about MS vs. Linux it is about acountability for our tax > dollars as well. A friend of mine is a teacher for a PSD school that cannot Exactly! I'm a relative Linux newbie. And I don't have any children, but I still believe schools should be run as streamlined as they can in places, so that there's more money for teachers and smaller classes. Thus this kind of waste would bother me even if I was the biggest MS supporter. > If they support us then the schools will have to do the right thing. I will > be attempting to open preliminary talks with RedHat this afternoon, so the > sooner we get together and discuss this the better. What is best for > everyone as far as times and meeting places? Can I assume tomorrow is too I live on the West Side, Beaverton, near light rail. So downtown, close east side, anywhere west side is good. > soon? Let me know and we will work on a location. This will be very > informal and just a means to get our ideas together and decide what > direction to go. If we could get a representative from the K12Linux project > to come it would be very good. Many of the statements in this email may be > incorrect or poorly founded, but that is why we need a meeting. Let's get > this going. I would like to meet as soon as possible, personally. And as far as specific skills go, I am a web programmer and database programmer, so I'd be more than happy to do some JSP/MySQL, whatever would help in that regard. Preston _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From dylan at dylanreinhardt.com Wed Apr 24 18:26:34 2002 From: dylan at dylanreinhardt.com (Dylan Reinhardt) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:26:34 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again Message-ID: <3CBB5E8600008A50@mta07.san.yahoo.com> At 11:17 AM 4/24/2002 -0700, Wil Cooley wrote: > Given that Dylan Reinhardt is taking an active > stance, I nominate him to be the PSD liason. I'm flattered. Though my stance was mostly related to *not* depending on working with PSD, I'm happy to help in any way. But I'd really rather get together with other people who are interested and talk this through a bit first. How many people might be available to meet downtown for lunch today? Tomorrow? I'm all for getting going ASAP, but would rather have a sense of how many people are committed, and what they are committed to doing. Dylan From derek at infotects.com Wed Apr 24 18:31:53 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: 24 Apr 2002 11:31:53 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] HELP - no outside access to only one server Message-ID: <1019673114.2541.1084.camel@dereklinux> Hi All, I need HELP! I had access (from home) to www.cdkeybonus.com last night before going to bed, this morning I had none. I did have access to www.infotects.com which is on the same subnet and physically sitting next to the server I cannot access. I got to work and the server is still alive! I can even access it from www.infotects.com. I didn't change anything last night, and we did not have any power failures. Last night, I was trying to figure out why mail from work wasn't being delivered to my home (though mail from home makes it to work just fine), I'm not sure if this is a related problem or not (I doubt it). I contacted our service provider, they were no help. So, I'm taking a poll, how many of you can access www.cdkeybonus.com? You should get an error from apache, "Permission denied", I don't allow directory browsing on this server. I also have the router drop pings, so the only trace route you will be able to use is tcptraceroute to port 80. The more information the better. TIA! Derek Loree From mikedela at ipns.com Wed Apr 24 18:33:57 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:33:57 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <20020424111708.H14635@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: I second Wil's nominations. I'll also suggest that someone put up an online volunteer database, for PLUG's internal use only. It would be great if we could get an accounting of who is willing and capable of doing what. I'll donate space on my DSL fed server, if someone has the wherewithal to put the thing together. If I did it, it would have to be done with frontpage. Maybe there's a yahoo site that will get there, too. I'll have a quick peek later. ---------- Mike De La Mater Mike De La Mater Consulting mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Wed Apr 24 17:34:20 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:34:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <20020424111708.H14635@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: I agree that we need a liason to PSD, but let's not forget that they are not the only ones affected by this. MS is doing this to 9 schools in Oregon and 14 in Washington. They should all be the focus of this campaign. Also, we need a liason to the public, since the decision is really theirs, whether the schools support it or not. If we get the public's support the schools will follow and vice versa. >I think that before trying to meet and organize, someone really >needs to find out who's in charge at the PSD and find out what >could be done. It may be that they're totally resistant to a Linux >migration or that they'll all for it; I suspect it's somewhere in >between, but meeting to talk about what would be done without any >idea of what would be done seems like a waste of time. From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Wed Apr 24 17:44:21 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:44:21 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The point of the meeting is to figure out what needs to be done to to propose a solution. We could do in a couple of hours face to face what it would take days to get done through email. That is why I think it is important to get together for an informal meeting and get everyone's opinion. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of sendai Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:34 AM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: RE: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. I agree that we need a liason to PSD, but let's not forget that they are not the only ones affected by this. MS is doing this to 9 schools in Oregon and 14 in Washington. They should all be the focus of this campaign. Also, we need a liason to the public, since the decision is really theirs, whether the schools support it or not. If we get the public's support the schools will follow and vice versa. >I think that before trying to meet and organize, someone really >needs to find out who's in charge at the PSD and find out what >could be done. It may be that they're totally resistant to a Linux >migration or that they'll all for it; I suspect it's somewhere in >between, but meeting to talk about what would be done without any >idea of what would be done seems like a waste of time. _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From John.Hampton at gijoes.com Wed Apr 24 18:53:21 2002 From: John.Hampton at gijoes.com (John Hampton) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:53:21 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] HELP - no outside access to only one server Message-ID: <76CAC90361FD1B4EABBCDEE0B822B844014CC0@gilligan.gijoes.com> Derek said: >So, I'm taking a poll, how many of you can access www.cdkeybonus.com? > >You should get an error from apache, "Permission denied", I don't allow >directory browsing on this server. > >I also have the router drop pings, so the only trace route you will be >able to use is tcptraceroute to port 80. I can't reach it from home (AT&T cable internet) or work. I time out both places. When I do a traceroute from home I get as far as: 15 67.105.129.6 (67.105.129.6) 54.306 ms !A * 53.361 ms !A Unfortunately I don't have any ideas as to why. Did you change firewall rules? Good luck. John Hampton Programmer Analyst G.I. Joe's, Inc. john.hampton at gijoes.com From mikeraz at patch.com Wed Apr 24 18:59:27 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz at patch.com) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:59:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Question In-Reply-To: <3CC6F6F9.22EEF374@anodizing.com>; from ziggy@anodizing.com on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 11:18:33AM -0700 References: <20020314013846.GB13168@javalinux.net> <20020313213940.M95651@loadzone.org> <3C903CC2.3080105@q7.com> <20020313221421.1a448bba.due.gatti@gmx.net> <1016087281.10756.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3CC6F6F9.22EEF374@anodizing.com> Message-ID: <20020424115927.B3482@patch.com> Abraham, Assuming that you want to use your current output for input: #!/usr/bin/perl while(<>) { ($user, $host, @date) = split; $logins{$user."\t".$host}++; } foreach $u (keys %logins) { print "$u\tfailed logins=$logins{$u}\n"; } On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 11:18:33AM -0700, Abraham Zwygart typed: > > I have a script that list all users that try to logon a linux pop3 email server > incorrectly. > It sorts (by logon and address) and emails the list to me. I would like to take it > one > step further, and that is to only list each person once with the number of times > they had a failed login. > > sample of the output: > user=usera host=[##.##.##.1] Apr 23 11:09:53 > user=usera host=[##.##.##.1] Apr 23 11:10:04 > user=usera host=[##.##.##.1] Apr 23 11:10:40 > user=usera host=[##.##.##.1] Apr 23 11:10:50 > user=userb host=[##.##.##.2] Apr 22 06:43:39 > user=userb host=[##.##.##.2] Apr 22 12:02:57 > user=userb host=[##.##.##.2] Apr 22 12:03:02 > user=userc host=[##.##.##.3] Apr 24 10:38:29 > > would like: > user=usera host=[##.##.##.1] faild logins=4 > user=userb host=[##.##.##.2] faild logins=3 > user=userc host=[##.##.##.3] faild logins=1 > > The count needs to change when the user name and ip address change. > Is there a easy script command that can do this? > > Thanks > Abraham Z. > > -- > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ > | SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator > | 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy at anodizing.com > | Portland, OR 97211 > | Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 > | > | The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine > | and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin But keep in mind: Never promise more than you can perform. -- Publilius Syrus From llywrch at agora.rdrop.com Wed Apr 24 18:39:53 2002 From: llywrch at agora.rdrop.com (Geoff Burling) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] high %idle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Randy.Dunlap wrote: (I figured if I threw out an answer, I'd attract someone who knew more than me. ;-) > On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Geoff Burling wrote: > > | On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Paul Heinlein wrote: > | > | > Anyone seen this sort of symtom before? > > Paul- is this single CPU or SMP? > If it's x86, it may not matter. I have a dual proc x86 system, & a larger fragment from /proc/stat reads: more /proc/stat cpu 9280639 557083619 5995027 545458765 cpu0 4650093 285171375 2992275 266095282 cpu1 4630546 271912244 3002752 279363483 (But then a single datum does not prove an entire set of cases.) [snip] > | /proc/stat reads: > | > user nice system idle > | cpu 9280639 557083619 5995027 545458765 > > where idle ::= jif * smp_num_cpus - (user + nice + system) > > Hence my number_of_cpus question above. > Actually, iostat uses sscanf to read the value from /proc/stat directly. No calculations are made in iostat based on what it reads (other than to arrive at the percentages.) Then again, the idle value in /proc/stat may be calculated as you say by the kernel. Is this what you meant, Randy? > > | Add the numbers, then find the percentage the last number (which represents > | the hundreths of a second the processor has been idle since the last reboot) > | is of the sum. Unless there's a bug in your copy of iostat, it ought to > | agree with this quick calculation. > > Last number is idle, not uptime. And times are in jiffies, which > is 1/100 second on x86, but not on all processors. > > So Paul, x86 or sparc or wxyz? > Geoff From JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us Wed Apr 24 18:59:52 2002 From: JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us (Miller, Jeremy) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:59:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. Message-ID: <51AE6EA505FCD111AB5600805F653ACB010AA0D0@EXCHANGE> Good idea... make it known to the public that people are trying to volunteer and help. But be careful not to push TOO hard from the public side. In the case that some things are not readily changable (existing vertical apps in particular) you wouldn't want the schools to be facing one demand from one side (MS: Sumbit to our new license or "death by audit") and another from the opposite side (Public: Drop everything on MS NOW. No compromises allowed.) Yes, it's highly unlikely... but undesirable. We need to try to offer solutions, not blanket demands to be met. I say this only to make sure wiggle room is retained for any existing apps that would take longer than the allowed time to migrate. And those that may not have any replacement at all. (Or at least not yet.) The first 95% usually isn't too hard... it's this stuff that makes up the last 5%. And is often mission-critical. I don't know if they have anything like that, but if they do it can be a real killer. We need to know what they have beyond everyday office/web type stuff. What apps really make everything tick. --------------------------------------- Jeremy Miller - jmiller at ci.albany.or.us City of Albany/Albany Public Library --------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: sendai [mailto:sendai at thedustyshelf.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:34 AM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: RE: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. > > > > I agree that we need a liason to PSD, but let's not forget > that they are not > the only ones affected by this. MS is doing this to 9 > schools in Oregon and > 14 in Washington. They should all be the focus of this > campaign. Also, we > need a liason to the public, since the decision is really > theirs, whether > the schools support it or not. If we get the public's > support the schools > will follow and vice versa. > > >I think that before trying to meet and organize, someone really > >needs to find out who's in charge at the PSD and find out what > >could be done. It may be that they're totally resistant to a Linux > >migration or that they'll all for it; I suspect it's somewhere in > >between, but meeting to talk about what would be done without any > >idea of what would be done seems like a waste of time. > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From derek at infotects.com Wed Apr 24 19:28:43 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: 24 Apr 2002 12:28:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] HELP - no outside access to only one server In-Reply-To: <76CAC90361FD1B4EABBCDEE0B822B844014CC0@gilligan.gijoes.com> References: <76CAC90361FD1B4EABBCDEE0B822B844014CC0@gilligan.gijoes.com> Message-ID: <1019676523.2541.1094.camel@dereklinux> On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 11:53, John Hampton wrote: > > 15 67.105.129.6 (67.105.129.6) 54.306 ms !A * 53.361 ms !A > > Unfortunately I don't have any ideas as to why. Did you change firewall rules? Good luck. No, like I said, I didn't change anything. It gets weirder, if you traceroute (I use tcptraceroute hostname 80) to www.infotects.com, it never goes through 67.105.129.6!! I really am at a loss, how can to addresses on the same subnet get routed through different machines? Could this be a man-in-the-middle type of attach? Any ideas welcome, though this bit of info seems to point to my service provider as the culprit, I have called them again and convinced them to start a trouble ticket. Thanks, I appreciate the help. Derek Loree From keith at ahapala.net Wed Apr 24 19:31:01 2002 From: keith at ahapala.net (Keith Nasman) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Utility Review: matt Message-ID: I had the need to script the sending of a few emails that contain attachments. My first thought was invoking the "mail" command for which I had piped text into before, but it doesn't handle MIME encoding. A quick freshmeat search brought me to 'matt'. matt handles multiple attachments and encodes them in base64. The matt tarball consists of a few .c and .o files and a makefile. Running 'make' will compile it in no time and a 'make install' will put the executable to /usr/local/bin. Here are the simple options to using it: usage : matt [options] file(s) -f Email from -t Email to -s Email subject -m Mail host to use -b Read message body from stdin -i Interactive Configuration -v Version Information -h Help author: Jason Armstrong My few tests have worked perfectly. matt is short, simple and sweet, just what was needed. The freshmeat link is: http://freshmeat.net/projects/matt/?topic_id=28%2C31 Kdog From dylan at dylanreinhardt.com Wed Apr 24 19:32:50 2002 From: dylan at dylanreinhardt.com (Dylan Reinhardt) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:32:50 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] MS Volunteer Database Message-ID: <3CBB5E8600008BB5@mta07.san.yahoo.com> At 11:33 AM 4/24/2002 -0700, Mike De La Mater wrote: > I'll also suggest that someone put up an online > volunteer database, for PLUG's internal use only. Great idea... I just threw one together. It's quick and dirty, but should do the trick for now. http://www.dylanreinhardt.com/plug Will be happy to turn over any data collected to anyone who has a better plan for what to do with it. Any other suggestions are also most welcome. Dylan From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Wed Apr 24 18:36:28 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:36:28 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. In-Reply-To: <51AE6EA505FCD111AB5600805F653ACB010AA0D0@EXCHANGE> Message-ID: This is exactly the type of input that needs to be brought up. The fact is that it would take way too long to phase MS out completely. There are 25,000 machines in PSD. Of these maybe 22,000 could be upgraded quickly and easily. The remaining 3000 would require greater involvement and therefore could not be completed in time to duck the audit. However, auditing 3000 machines is a much less daunting task than 25,000. No matter what happens there will inevitably be at least a few hundred machines that will remain MS for whatever reason. But again, a few hundred or even a few thousand licenses are much less of a burden than 25,000. Is MS demanding that they audit every machine MS run or not? If so, part of the conversion would be auditing the new software as it goes in, taking the cost and effort away from the school districts. That is a win-win. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Miller, Jeremy Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:00 PM To: 'plug at lists.pdxlinux.org' Subject: RE: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. Good idea... make it known to the public that people are trying to volunteer and help. But be careful not to push TOO hard from the public side. In the case that some things are not readily changable (existing vertical apps in particular) you wouldn't want the schools to be facing one demand from one side (MS: Sumbit to our new license or "death by audit") and another from the opposite side (Public: Drop everything on MS NOW. No compromises allowed.) Yes, it's highly unlikely... but undesirable. We need to try to offer solutions, not blanket demands to be met. I say this only to make sure wiggle room is retained for any existing apps that would take longer than the allowed time to migrate. And those that may not have any replacement at all. (Or at least not yet.) The first 95% usually isn't too hard... it's this stuff that makes up the last 5%. And is often mission-critical. I don't know if they have anything like that, but if they do it can be a real killer. We need to know what they have beyond everyday office/web type stuff. What apps really make everything tick. --------------------------------------- Jeremy Miller - jmiller at ci.albany.or.us City of Albany/Albany Public Library --------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: sendai [mailto:sendai at thedustyshelf.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:34 AM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: RE: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again. > > > > I agree that we need a liason to PSD, but let's not forget > that they are not > the only ones affected by this. MS is doing this to 9 > schools in Oregon and > 14 in Washington. They should all be the focus of this > campaign. Also, we > need a liason to the public, since the decision is really > theirs, whether > the schools support it or not. If we get the public's > support the schools > will follow and vice versa. > > >I think that before trying to meet and organize, someone really > >needs to find out who's in charge at the PSD and find out what > >could be done. It may be that they're totally resistant to a Linux > >migration or that they'll all for it; I suspect it's somewhere in > >between, but meeting to talk about what would be done without any > >idea of what would be done seems like a waste of time. > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From ziggy at anodizing.com Wed Apr 24 19:49:09 2002 From: ziggy at anodizing.com (Abraham Zwygart) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:49:09 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Question References: <20020314013846.GB13168@javalinux.net> <20020313213940.M95651@loadzone.org> <3C903CC2.3080105@q7.com> <20020313221421.1a448bba.due.gatti@gmx.net> <1016087281.10756.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3CC6F6F9.22EEF374@anodizing.com> <20020424115927.B3482@patch.com> Message-ID: <3CC70C35.8C9D7213@anodizing.com> Works perfectly. I was trying to do it in awk, with no luck. I guess I need to learn perl now. Thanks Abraham Z. mikeraz at patch.com wrote: > Abraham, > > Assuming that you want to use your current output for input: > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > while(<>) { > ($user, $host, @date) = split; > $logins{$user."\t".$host}++; > } > > foreach $u (keys %logins) { > print "$u\tfailed logins=$logins{$u}\n"; > } > -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ | SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator | 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy at anodizing.com | Portland, OR 97211 | Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 | | The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine | and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From llywrch at agora.rdrop.com Wed Apr 24 19:51:50 2002 From: llywrch at agora.rdrop.com (Geoff Burling) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, sendai wrote: > Here is a list of things that need to be researched. Please add to this > list. > > 1. We need to know which schools are already MESD participants. We know > that PSD is, but who else. As Eric Harrison wrote one or two days ago: Portland Public Schools *is* a MESD participant. We support the eight school districts in the county. The other one of the districts I support that is being audited is Gresham-Barlow. > > 2. What are the terms of MESD participation? Do they require a long term > contract or is it renewable on a short term basis? In other words how long > are schools will it be for schools who do sign before they can make a > switch. > Besides MESD, there is also NW Regional, which offers the same support for the 4 counties in the NW corner of Oregon (Washington Co being one of these). Their web site is at http://www.nwresd.k12.or.us. Geoff From rddunlap at osdl.org Wed Apr 24 20:27:13 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] high %idle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Geoff Burling wrote: | On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Randy.Dunlap wrote: | | (I figured if I threw out an answer, I'd attract someone who knew more | than me. ;-) That's OK. Sometimes people throw out (incorrect) kernel patches just to attract attention to the problem area. It works sometimes. 8;) | > On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Geoff Burling wrote: | > | > | On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Paul Heinlein wrote: | > | | > | > Anyone seen this sort of symtom before? | > | > Paul- is this single CPU or SMP? | > | If it's x86, it may not matter. I have a dual proc x86 system, & a larger | fragment from /proc/stat reads: | | more /proc/stat | cpu 9280639 557083619 5995027 545458765 | cpu0 4650093 285171375 2992275 266095282 | cpu1 4630546 271912244 3002752 279363483 | | (But then a single datum does not prove an entire set of cases.) What matters is what iostat does with this data... and I'm not going to check on that. Anyway, some MP stats s/w report total % of time available as number_cpus * 100%, such as 800% for an 8-proc system. | [snip] | | > | /proc/stat reads: | > | | > user nice system idle | > | cpu 9280639 557083619 5995027 545458765 | > | > where idle ::= jif * smp_num_cpus - (user + nice + system) | > | > Hence my number_of_cpus question above. | > | Actually, iostat uses sscanf to read the value from /proc/stat directly. | No calculations are made in iostat based on what it reads (other than to | arrive at the percentages.) | | Then again, the idle value in /proc/stat may be calculated as you say by | the kernel. Is this what you meant, Randy? Yes. I don't know about iostat. I gave the kernel calculation. I just dug into this yesterday/list night to patch a tiny race condition in there. | > | Add the numbers, then find the percentage the last number (which represents | > | the hundreths of a second the processor has been idle since the last reboot) | > | is of the sum. Unless there's a bug in your copy of iostat, it ought to | > | agree with this quick calculation. | > | > Last number is idle, not uptime. And times are in jiffies, which | > is 1/100 second on x86, but not on all processors. | > | > So Paul, x86 or sparc or wxyz? -- ~Randy From alex at daniloff.com Wed Apr 24 20:49:48 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:49:48 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200204242049.g3OKnm331664@gate.daniloff.com> Hello Linux folkz, Why can't we create Linux Support Alliance Inc. (LSA Inc.) from PLUG members. It can be formed as a loose corporation/cooperation of Linux users and professionals for the purpose of promoting Linux in public schools, government and other institutions. Some of you have professional programming skills, others are network gurus. Some people are good at educating and supporting users, other are good administrators. Imagine, that some government or public institution wants to cut licenses and administration costs in their PC/Server environment. They can contact LSA Inc. and conversion to Linux can be done in almost no time because of the number of participants and high availability. They'll need Linux based custom developed applications for business, here the job for Linux programmers and developers. They'll need 24x7 network administration, here the job for network administrators. They'll need customer support, here the job for customer support specialists and educators. They'll need new web and database servers, here the job for hardware specialists who can assemble equipment for the fraction of vendor price. So, we can create semi-commercial semi-not for profit organization. I don't want to idealize this idea, but every member of LSA Inc. will be paid according to his/her coefficient of participance in ongoing commercial projects. In the same time voluntary work can be easily done for public school due to the number of participants and centralized coordination. The coordination of LSA Inc. members can be done in a couple of ways. For example, each member submits his/her schedule of availability and list of skills at the beginning of the each month to the elected coordinators. The coordinators contact (over e-mail or the phone) available member if a new project or voluntary work needs to be performed. Upon project completion the participants are getting value points. Each participant is encouraged to go around and find new Linux related projects. If he/she can do it on his/her own time, it's fine, if not, the project should be submitted to the coordinator. The points for commercial projects are transferred into pay checks for the participants minus organizational expenses. The points for voluntary work can be transferred into special awards of recognition or certificates. Can we discuss this idea at the nearest PLUG meeting? Thank you for your time. Alex ------------------- > Ok, here is a general outline of what I see happening here. > > We appear to have two groups represented here. One group feels that we > should take a passive approach, slowly building a case and finding our own > support where we can. --- snip > > The other group wants to take an active approach, get in now and make the > changes and force the public to take notice and hopefully provide support. From prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com Wed Apr 24 21:02:03 2002 From: prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com (Preston Crawford) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: <15558.62058.928755.375091@davudsplace.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, david may wrote: > Those lurkers and the folks who do not know what a mount point is, > need to feel comfortable speaking up. Thats why I think a frame > work is necessary. The third grade teacher in Gresham doesn't > want to wade through 16 messages of getting an smpt server working > to keep up with the latest on this issue. And She/he may likely > feel intimidated by all the techno speak. That's a problem with the Linux community at large. We can only control what we can control. This tendancy to look down the nose, "RTF-Man-Pages"-style at average users is never going to change, I fear. The best we can do is try to change that perception at our own level. Preston From prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com Wed Apr 24 21:05:47 2002 From: prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com (Preston Crawford) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again In-Reply-To: <3CBB5E8600008A50@mta07.san.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Dylan Reinhardt wrote: > But I'd really rather get together with other people who are interested > and talk this through a bit first. > > How many people might be available to meet downtown for lunch today? Tomorrow? > > I'm all for getting going ASAP, but would rather have a sense of how many > people are committed, and what they are committed to doing. I work downtown so any day is virtually okay, just so I know ahead of time. Preston From mikeraz at patch.com Wed Apr 24 21:29:13 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz at patch.com) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:29:13 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: ; from prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 02:02:03PM -0700 References: <15558.62058.928755.375091@davudsplace.net> Message-ID: <20020424142913.B5499@patch.com> On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 02:02:03PM -0700, Preston Crawford typed: > That's a problem with the Linux community at large. We can only control > what we can control. This tendancy to look down the nose, > "RTF-Man-Pages"-style at average users is never going to change, I fear. > The best we can do is try to change that perception at our own level. Perhaps we can develop a group of volunteers that will take on the support of school people new to Linux and treat the support as a tutorial. In essence these people would be TFM for the school staff. -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin But keep in mind: If Beethoven's Seventh Symphony is not by some means abridged, it will soon fall into disuse. -- Philip Hale, Boston music critic, 1837 From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Wed Apr 24 21:10:25 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:10:25 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: <200204242049.g3OKnm331664@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: This is an idea. I doubt there is room for both a completely volunteer group and a group similiar to what Alex describes. There are big advantages for either model. Advantages of the full volunteer group include: True non-profit status which could easily attract corporate sponsorship. More evangelical campaign style. There is no monetary agenda, which increases our chances of public support. Disadvantages of the above. More evangelical campaign style. Money would be a constant issue. There would not be as much confidence from the schools without having a guaranteed staff to help in case of emergencies or support. Advantages of the method described below: The possibility of money attracts better talent. We could still get corporate partnerships, but getting sponsorships is unlikely. Investments would also be possible. With an actual income we could have a full time staff which would make schools more comfortable in making a switch. We could more quickly expand to other markets before MS made their audit demands or whatever other plan they come up with. Disadvantages of the method described below: We could not get as much public support, since many would see us as having an agenda. There is alot of room for losing sight of our purpose. Whatever we do we need to remember why we are doing it. For me, it's about getting a better education for the children. That's it. So what's the best way to do that? I don't know. Please add to the above as necessary. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Alex Daniloff Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:50 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: RE: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning Hello Linux folkz, Why can't we create Linux Support Alliance Inc. (LSA Inc.) from PLUG members. It can be formed as a loose corporation/cooperation of Linux users and professionals for the purpose of promoting Linux in public schools, government and other institutions. Some of you have professional programming skills, others are network gurus. Some people are good at educating and supporting users, other are good administrators. Imagine, that some government or public institution wants to cut licenses and administration costs in their PC/Server environment. They can contact LSA Inc. and conversion to Linux can be done in almost no time because of the number of participants and high availability. They'll need Linux based custom developed applications for business, here the job for Linux programmers and developers. They'll need 24x7 network administration, here the job for network administrators. They'll need customer support, here the job for customer support specialists and educators. They'll need new web and database servers, here the job for hardware specialists who can assemble equipment for the fraction of vendor price. So, we can create semi-commercial semi-not for profit organization. I don't want to idealize this idea, but every member of LSA Inc. will be paid according to his/her coefficient of participance in ongoing commercial projects. In the same time voluntary work can be easily done for public school due to the number of participants and centralized coordination. The coordination of LSA Inc. members can be done in a couple of ways. For example, each member submits his/her schedule of availability and list of skills at the beginning of the each month to the elected coordinators. The coordinators contact (over e-mail or the phone) available member if a new project or voluntary work needs to be performed. Upon project completion the participants are getting value points. Each participant is encouraged to go around and find new Linux related projects. If he/she can do it on his/her own time, it's fine, if not, the project should be submitted to the coordinator. The points for commercial projects are transferred into pay checks for the participants minus organizational expenses. The points for voluntary work can be transferred into special awards of recognition or certificates. Can we discuss this idea at the nearest PLUG meeting? Thank you for your time. Alex ------------------- > Ok, here is a general outline of what I see happening here. > > We appear to have two groups represented here. One group feels that we > should take a passive approach, slowly building a case and finding our own > support where we can. --- snip > > The other group wants to take an active approach, get in now and make the > changes and force the public to take notice and hopefully provide support. _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From dylan at dylanreinhardt.com Wed Apr 24 23:08:29 2002 From: dylan at dylanreinhardt.com (Dylan Reinhardt) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:08:29 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] MS Volunteer Database Message-ID: <3CBB5E860000903A@mta07.san.yahoo.com> Thanks to those who have posted interest in volunteering. If you haven't yet, and want to, hit: http://www.dylanreinhardt.com/plug I'm working on setting up a gateway function so school people can get in touch with those who are signed up. For those who have submitted, I'm going to make the assumption that you would be OK with me using your e-mail address to allow a school district rep to get in touch. Please drop me a line off-list if this is a concern. What would y'all think of having a quick lunch meeting or two? I'm envisioning picking a time and date and meeting up in the Pioneer Place food court or some such. Any interest? This discussion will probably be ongoing for a while... should we be creating a separate list? Dylan From derek at infotects.com Wed Apr 24 23:15:50 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: 24 Apr 2002 16:15:50 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] thanks for the HELP In-Reply-To: <1019673114.2541.1084.camel@dereklinux> References: <1019673114.2541.1084.camel@dereklinux> Message-ID: <1019690150.2541.1151.camel@dereklinux> I thought I should update you. It is now working. What fixed it? I'm not sure. As I was desperate to get it back in service, I did some things, and it looks like our service provider some things at about the same time. AFAICT, what was happening was that the packets to the _one_ server were being dropped by the WAN interface of my Cisco router. Why? I don't know, I know I didn't change anything on the router, the access list is exactly the same as it used to be, and a reload of the router did not fix it. So, I contacted our ISP, and they started a trouble ticket, but only reluctantly, they think it is my fault (mainly because I disabled telnet into the router, so they can't snoop on it). This means, I have one ip address that the WAN interface is dropping, and 31 addresses that are making it through. Could it be a bad NIC? But I can connect to the box from another box on the same subnet, going through the same switch! Ah, the switch, maybe that's it, so I drag out a longish cat 5 cable, string it between the hub at the router and the server. That killed all outside access! (But no collisions were detected at the hub.) Well, that looks like progress, but it could be a bad cable, however I have an extra NIC, and I have nothing to lose (but uptime) by changing it. So I changed it. It didn't work right off the bat, but about 15 min later, I start to notice traffic to the server again, we're back on line! The traceroutes have definitely changed (different number of hops, different hop addresses), so I know our ISP made some changes too. Which one fixed it, I don't know, but I'm willing to entertain theories. I still don't understand how one ip address in a block of 32 can be "bad". Again, thanks for the help! Derek Loree On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 11:31, Derek Loree wrote: > Hi All, > > I need HELP! I had access (from home) to www.cdkeybonus.com last night > before going to bed, this morning I had none. I did have access to > www.infotects.com which is on the same subnet and physically sitting > next to the server I cannot access. > > I got to work and the server is still alive! I can even access it from > www.infotects.com. > > I didn't change anything last night, and we did not have any power > failures. > > Last night, I was trying to figure out why mail from work wasn't being > delivered to my home (though mail from home makes it to work just fine), > I'm not sure if this is a related problem or not (I doubt it). > > I contacted our service provider, they were no help. > > So, I'm taking a poll, how many of you can access www.cdkeybonus.com? > > You should get an error from apache, "Permission denied", I don't allow > directory browsing on this server. > > I also have the router drop pings, so the only trace route you will be > able to use is tcptraceroute to port 80. > > The more information the better. > > TIA! > > Derek Loree > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us Wed Apr 24 16:46:42 2002 From: JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us (Miller, Jeremy) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:46:42 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning Message-ID: <51AE6EA505FCD111AB5600805F653ACB010AA0CC@EXCHANGE> Hi. New guy here that's finally decided which direction to drive to get to a LUG. (North to Portland or South to Corvallis, from Salem. I'm sort of stuck in the middle, you see. :) Anyway, most definitely agreed. That's a lot of machines, and a ton of work. The willy-nilly approach would probably be more destructive than anything else. They're not asking for help yet, like you say. But I wonder if they would ask for help unless they see some sort of organization taking place. (For fear of the aforementioned "willy-nilly" switch.) If nothing else (even if they don't want/need help, it would interesting to see some sort of "big project" plan put together. For this and/or future cases. Whenever a "volunteer work force" may be called for. Or perhaps it exists and I just haven't seen it yet. :) (Smack me down, if so.) As far as this instance (the schools) they might be able to use some help even if it isn't a big linux project. If they are still considering doing their own audit (as someone mentioned) maybe they could still use help with that. One last thing... do they have a volunteer coordinator of any kind? If any of the schools do, they should probably get their head together with their IT people if any plan for a bunch of volunteers to come in gets started. There may (or may not) be procedures in place for that already. I'm pretty busy, but I want to throw my hat in the ring as wanting to help. Is there a sign up sheet? :) --------------------------------------- Jeremy Miller - jmiller at ci.albany.or.us City of Albany/Albany Public Library --------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Dylan Reinhardt [mailto:dylan at dylanreinhardt.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:05 AM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning > > > Normally, a "do what you want" approach seems to produce good > results in > Open Source / Free Software projects. > > But we aren't tweaking a kernel here. Responding to > Microsoft's threat > will require coordination, a plan, and most of all *leadership*. > > That's because we're talking about existing organizations > with existing > plans and resources already deployed. Having a bunch of > volunteers descend > on schools and upgrade computers willy-nilly probably won't > be very helpful > unless it's part of a robust plan. Managing 25K > installations at dozens > of locations doesn't just happen. > > I'm willing to give significant time and what skills I have. > So are many > people here... but I don't hear anyone from the schools > asking for our help > just yet. > > Absent that request, I would suggest that we turn our energy > toward things > like drawing attention to the issue. MS stands to gain a few > million dollars > by shaking down schools? I bet we could cost them at least > that much in > bad publicity if we put our heads together. > > In many ways, it's not really about Portland Public Schools > at all. They > are in a really tight spot here, but it's not as though they > aren't already > well aware of how to deploy Linux. The larger audience for > our message > are schools, organizations and businesses who think that they > can afford > Windoze b/c they are just too small or unprofitable for MS to > bother with > license enforcement. Some of these organizations might hear > this story > and realize that they want to start working on a migration plan ASAP. > > As I said, I would pitch in and help PPS at the drop of a > hat... but only > if they want my help. In the mean time, I wonder if we > shouldn't be focusing > our energy and outrage at the larger issues this incident represents. > > My $0.02... > > Dylan > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Wed Apr 24 23:33:44 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:33:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: ; from sendai@thedustyshelf.com on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 02:10:25PM -0700 References: <200204242049.g3OKnm331664@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: <20020424163344.B19875@dalsemi.com> On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 02:10:25PM -0700, sendai wrote: > > Advantages of the method described below: > > The possibility of money attracts better talent. > We could still get corporate partnerships, but getting sponsorships is > unlikely. Investments would also be possible. > With an actual income we could have a full time staff which would make > schools more comfortable in making a switch. > We could more quickly expand to other markets before MS made their audit > demands or whatever other plan they come up with. > > Disadvantages of the method described below: > > We could not get as much public support, since many would see us as having > an agenda. People will think you have an agenda just because you use Linux. Not many will begrudge you having a job, especially if 1) you don't tie the schools to an exclusionary contract or license. 2) you can show reduced public school spending. Consider it this way, how many Linux jobs will 1/10th of the Oregon Public School license with Microsoft create? The company would have no intellectual property to protect or products to sell (since they're most likely selling services configuring networks and K12LTSP), the Linux community in general will benefit (people on payroll will be full-time testers/developers when not doing support) and schools would save tons of money. The worst the company could do is put itself out of a business after converting the entire school distict, but then I'll bet that there's a substantial market in the small business and organizational sectors and "franchising". By the way, it's not that I don't personally like a volunteer model, but paid people are on the hook for getting things done. This is the kind of thing that businesses and organizations pay attention to. Colin From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Wed Apr 24 22:45:30 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:45:30 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: <20020424163344.B19875@dalsemi.com> Message-ID: There is of course the 'Goodwill' option. Charge only enough for services to cover payroll and overhead. That way there can still be a full time staff and paid on-call employees, but it could still be a non-profit. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Colin Kuskie Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 4:34 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 02:10:25PM -0700, sendai wrote: > > Advantages of the method described below: > > The possibility of money attracts better talent. > We could still get corporate partnerships, but getting sponsorships is > unlikely. Investments would also be possible. > With an actual income we could have a full time staff which would make > schools more comfortable in making a switch. > We could more quickly expand to other markets before MS made their audit > demands or whatever other plan they come up with. > > Disadvantages of the method described below: > > We could not get as much public support, since many would see us as having > an agenda. People will think you have an agenda just because you use Linux. Not many will begrudge you having a job, especially if 1) you don't tie the schools to an exclusionary contract or license. 2) you can show reduced public school spending. Consider it this way, how many Linux jobs will 1/10th of the Oregon Public School license with Microsoft create? The company would have no intellectual property to protect or products to sell (since they're most likely selling services configuring networks and K12LTSP), the Linux community in general will benefit (people on payroll will be full-time testers/developers when not doing support) and schools would save tons of money. The worst the company could do is put itself out of a business after converting the entire school distict, but then I'll bet that there's a substantial market in the small business and organizational sectors and "franchising". By the way, it's not that I don't personally like a volunteer model, but paid people are on the hook for getting things done. This is the kind of thing that businesses and organizations pay attention to. Colin _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From deathfox at moochercrew.org Thu Apr 25 00:27:47 2002 From: deathfox at moochercrew.org (Chris Emery) Date: 24 Apr 2002 17:27:47 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Question In-Reply-To: <20020424115927.B3482@patch.com> References: <20020314013846.GB13168@javalinux.net> <20020313213940.M95651@loadzone.org> <3C903CC2.3080105@q7.com> <20020313221421.1a448bba.due.gatti@gmx.net> <1016087281.10756.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3CC6F6F9.22EEF374@anodizing.com> <20020424115927.B3482@patch.com> Message-ID: <1019694494.21608.2.camel@arisu> Sorry, have to chip in with the python way to do it, tad longer script, but Eh, I'm not as good as I would like to be, requires python2.0 Also assumes you want to use stdin (I can change it for python1.5 if you want *grins* #!/usr/bin/env python2 import sys mdict = {} stdin = sys.stdin.readlines() for line in stdin: llist = line.split(None) if llist[0] in mdict.keys(): if llist[1] in mdict[llist[0]].keys(): mdict[llist[0]][llist[1]] += 1 else : mdict[llist[0]][llist[1]] = 1 else : mdict[llist[0]] = {llist[1]: 1} for a in mdict.keys(): sys.stdout.write(a + "\n") for b in mdict[a].keys(): sys.stdout.write("".ljust(5) + b.ljust(30) + str(mdict[a][b]) + "\n") This also handles if usera logs on from two different IPs, and record each under user a, and the attempts from each IP. Chris On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 11:59, mikeraz at patch.com wrote: > Abraham, > > Assuming that you want to use your current output for input: > > #!/usr/bin/perl From JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us Wed Apr 24 18:33:46 2002 From: JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us (Miller, Jeremy) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:33:46 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again Message-ID: <51AE6EA505FCD111AB5600805F653ACB010AA0CF@EXCHANGE> Is there a preferred method of giving a sense of "commitment level/what can do" for those that wouldn't be able to attend something like that? (Speaking for myself of course... but perhaps others.) Jeremy --------------------------------------- Jeremy Miller - jmiller at ci.albany.or.us City of Albany/Albany Public Library --------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Dylan Reinhardt [mailto:dylan at dylanreinhardt.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:27 AM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Micro$oft at it again > > > At 11:17 AM 4/24/2002 -0700, Wil Cooley wrote: > > Given that Dylan Reinhardt is taking an active > > stance, I nominate him to be the PSD liason. > > I'm flattered. Though my stance was mostly related to *not* > depending on > working with PSD, I'm happy to help in any way. > > But I'd really rather get together with other people who are > interested > and talk this through a bit first. > > How many people might be available to meet downtown for lunch > today? Tomorrow? > > I'm all for getting going ASAP, but would rather have a sense > of how many > people are committed, and what they are committed to doing. > > Dylan > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From deanm at sharplabs.com Wed Apr 24 21:45:03 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning Message-ID: <20020424214503.4B7C410E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> I sent this around 11:30 this morning. It _just_ bounced with a "name resolution problem" so I'm sending it again, unedited. We've been having some mail problems here so (I suppose) there has been lots of discussion generated from Dylan's message which I've not yet read. If comments like mine have already been covered, accepted, or laughted out of the room, all I can say is "Sorry for the repeat". Dean From: "Dean S. Messing" To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:18:39 -0700 Dylan Reinhardt writes: :: Normally, a "do what you want" approach seems to produce good results in :: Open Source / Free Software projects. :: :: But we aren't tweaking a kernel here. Responding to Microsoft's threat :: will require coordination, a plan, and most of all *leadership*. :: :: That's because we're talking about existing organizations with existing :: plans and resources already deployed. Having a bunch of volunteers descend :: on schools and upgrade computers willy-nilly probably won't be very helpful :: unless it's part of a robust plan. Managing 25K installations at dozens :: of locations doesn't just happen. I've been waiting for someone to clearly state this fairly obvious fact. Thanks Dylan. :: I'm willing to give significant time and what skills I have. So are many :: people here... but I don't hear anyone from the schools asking for our help :: just yet. And you won't until Somebody (probably dressed in a coat and tie :-) with some _professional_ IT and management experience goes and visits whoever is in charge of the computing systems w/in the School System and makes a viable Proposal. And before such a Proposal is made, this Somebody must understand the current capabilities of the intact system and the needs of the teachers, administrators, and students. It's like going to any large M$-dependent corporation, sitting down with their IT management, understanding their current system and their requirements, and then laying out a (viable) plan to re-make that environment using all-linux PCs (if that's the goal). At back of such a plan the Somebody must have in his (or her) back pocket a list of those w/in PLUG and elsewhere who can implement the changes in a timely and professional manner. That's what it will take (in my opinion) to effect the sort of sea-change that I'm seeing being bandied about here on PLUG. And the fact that the Somebody can say to the IT management, "I have here in my back pocket a list of 30 (or however many) Linux experts who are ready to give 2400 man-hours to this project, free of charge along with follow-on support as the need arises." should go a long way toward increasing the probability that the IT manager will take the Somebody seriously. :: As I said, I would pitch in and help PPS at the drop of a hat... but :: only if they want my help. In the mean time, I wonder if we shouldn't :: be focusing our energy and outrage at the larger issues this incident :: represents. The world (and the Media) has enough "outrage" already. Instead of being "outraged", let the Somebody who can make this happen step forward and kick M$ where it hurts. I'm sure _that_ will get some press: Oregonian Storyline: "`Somebody' and a group of 30 professional programmers have entered into negotiations with Portland Public Schools to convert their entire computing environment of 25,000 networked computers from Microsoft Windows to the free operating system known as "Linux". The programmers are donating 2400 man-hours to see this project to completion. This is in response to the recent Microsoft demand for a software audit .... blah blah blah" Dean ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1EBC4.4DB7AE57-- From mikedela at ipns.com Thu Apr 25 03:56:03 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:56:03 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] MS Volunteer Database In-Reply-To: <3CBB5E8600008BB5@mta07.san.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <879793SOF0OJTQ53OA9A8MHWS4SOVR.3cc77e53@miked> I'm looking at the results we're getting. It might be more helpful to collect areas of expertise that people will give. These areas seem inmportant: Programming, Admin, Hardware, Installation, PR and, of course, Other. I put a rough idea at: http://theplatinumrule.com/plug/index.html Whatever data collection we use, I'll massage it into a usable format with lists of people by skill and availibility, if you would like that information that way. Mike 4/24/02 12:32:50 PM, "Dylan Reinhardt" wrote: >At 11:33 AM 4/24/2002 -0700, Mike De La Mater wrote: >> I'll also suggest that someone put up an online >> volunteer database, for PLUG's internal use only. > >Great idea... I just threw one together. It's quick and dirty, but should >do the trick for now. > >http://www.dylanreinhardt.com/plug > >Will be happy to turn over any data collected to anyone who has a better >plan for what to do with it. Any other suggestions are also most welcome. > >Dylan > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ---------- Mike De La Mater Mike De La Mater Consulting mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 From aarghj at yahoo.com Thu Apr 25 04:00:44 2002 From: aarghj at yahoo.com (john morgali) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] What I needed to know Message-ID: <20020425040044.51788.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> for over a year now, I have been struggling with learning linux/unix. I found that unix was easier to learn, and had a nicer interface(I use solaris8 for intel). I met someone not too long ago who showed me something nobody else ever did, including my unix instructor at portland community college...http://localhost:8888. so for anyone who does NOT just intrinsicly know these things, THAT IS THE HELP FILE!! I wish someone would have told me this a year ago. thanks to all who helped me, or attempted to, now I can help myself. :) John Morgali, still a newbie *nix user... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From briand at aracnet.com Thu Apr 25 04:00:52 2002 From: briand at aracnet.com (briand at aracnet.com) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:00:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] hosts file and dhcp In-Reply-To: <3CC64977.E5CADB08@yahoo.com> References: <15558.10406.576875.629741@soggy.deldotd.com> <3CC64977.E5CADB08@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15559.32628.962809.81106@soggy.deldotd.com> >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Smith writes: Michael> You can set up dhcpd to give a particular IP address to a Michael> particular MAC (ethernet hardware) address. That way your Michael> printer will always be at the same place. Then it's fairly Michael> trivial to add the /etc/hosts* entries. Yes , that's what I finally did. used the fixed-address dierctive. Brian From mikedela at ipns.com Thu Apr 25 04:06:41 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:06:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] MS Volunteer Database In-Reply-To: <879793SOF0OJTQ53OA9A8MHWS4SOVR.3cc77e53@miked> Message-ID: Please disregard this, my previous post. I meant to send it privately... 4/24/02 8:56:03 PM, Mike De La Mater wrote: >I'm looking at the results we're getting. It might be more helpful to collect >areas of expertise that people will give. These areas seem inmportant: >Programming, Admin, Hardware, Installation, PR and, of course, Other. I put a >rough idea at: >http://theplatinumrule.com/plug/index.html > >Whatever data collection we use, I'll massage it into a usable format with lists >of people by skill and availibility, if you would like that information that way. > >Mike > >4/24/02 12:32:50 PM, "Dylan Reinhardt" wrote: > >>At 11:33 AM 4/24/2002 -0700, Mike De La Mater wrote: >>> I'll also suggest that someone put up an online >>> volunteer database, for PLUG's internal use only. >> >>Great idea... I just threw one together. It's quick and dirty, but should >>do the trick for now. >> >>http://www.dylanreinhardt.com/plug >> >>Will be happy to turn over any data collected to anyone who has a better >>plan for what to do with it. Any other suggestions are also most welcome. >> >>Dylan >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PLUG mailing list >>PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >>http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >---------- >Mike De La Mater >Mike De La Mater Consulting >mikedela at ipns.com >503-702-6749 > > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ---------- Mike De La Mater Mike De La Mater Consulting mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 From dmandel at pdxLinux.org Thu Apr 25 04:10:22 2002 From: dmandel at pdxLinux.org (David Mandel) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] PLUG Speakers Schedule?? Message-ID: Currently scheduled PLUG Speakers May 2002 - Geoff Burling X-Windows configuration After that things get vague Don Baccus of OpenACS told me to contact him in April or May as he may be interested in talking on Open ACS in June or so. Don let me know your schedule. Adam Shand Adam has volunteered to speak to speak on the Portland Personal Telco project. We still need to schedule him. Omer Hickman Omer has volunteered to speak using PHP and mySQL to build web pages. We still need to schedule him. Michael Hall formerly of LinuxToday I have talked to him about speaking, and I think we could schedule him sometime. I just haven't done it yet. Dan Frye He has been mentioned as a potential speaker. I may see him next week. If I do, I will mention this possibility to him. Cooper Stevenson Cooper has volunteered to fill in anytime we need. He has a great talk on LVM that we should probably schedule at some point. Zot O'Connor Zot has also volunteered to fill in anytime we need. Ok, have I missed anyone? If so, let me know. Speakers are always welcome. And next, could people let me know when they would like to be scheduled. Sincerely, David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 1440 NE 59th Portland, Oregon 97213 (360) 260-2066 at work (541) 730-5285 cell ====================================================================== David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com Other Affiliations David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com Netule http;//www.Netule.org Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org ====================================================================== From zot at whiteknighthackers.com Thu Apr 25 04:28:28 2002 From: zot at whiteknighthackers.com (Zot O'Connor) Date: 24 Apr 2002 21:28:28 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Challenging the Man-in-the-Middle (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1019708908.15226.19.camel@kat.zotnet.com> A relatively simple answer (this happened recently) is that the system was cracked by a rootkit, and that the root kit installed its own ssh, which looked for keys in different places. by calling /usr/sbin/ssh he may have overridden the root kit. I saw this recently at a client's. -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com From zot at whiteknighthackers.com Thu Apr 25 04:34:33 2002 From: zot at whiteknighthackers.com (Zot O'Connor) Date: 24 Apr 2002 21:34:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] SpamAssassin confusion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1019709273.15330.25.camel@kat.zotnet.com> Having just installed it. Run the sample command spamassassin -t < sample-spam.txt > spam.out it seemd to fail when the file (sample-spam.txt) was not local. After running it as a user, the file was created. Warning: I use cyrus, and spamassasin adds the broken "From blah" header to the beginning of emails. Cyrus pukes on that line. I had to put :0fw | spamassassin -F 0 -P In procmailrc. the '-F 0' turns off the adding of the from line. -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com From griffint at pobox.com Thu Apr 25 05:14:20 2002 From: griffint at pobox.com (Terry Griffin) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:14:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200204250514.g3P5EBt5021288@mail3.aracnet.com> Nicely put. I think the two approaches are not entirely incompatible. In the near term, especially if the schools don't ask for help, there may not be a lot we can do in the way of direct support. But just to make sure.... Someone mentioned a press release. (Sorry, I've lost track of who's who in all these e-mails.) I picture a press release in the very near future that pledges PLUG's support of the schools in this matter and states our willingness to help out. This press release would serve several purposes: 1. Provide contact information so that if some school districts *do* want to get some help then at least they'll know who to call. We should not be insulted if they don't call. Under the circumstances it seems best to let the schools figure out how to handle the next 60 days. Besides, this is a bad time of the school year to be overhauling the IT system. These sorts of things are normally done over the summer. (Notice MS didn't wait until summer to ask for the audit.) 2. Put a shot across the bow of the HMS MS (?). 3. Hopefully get it slashdotted and thereby encourage LUGs in other cites to get involved with their local schools before this happens to them. I'd love to see similar press releases coming out other LUGs. To me that would be the sweetest thing that could happen in the near term. It would be really cool if this was a joint press release from several Northwest LUGs. That might be all we can do in this 60-day period. Then we have to look at the longer term where we transition from being just volunteers to being advocates, pressing the point to decision makers that open source is their path out from under the obnoxious monopoly from the North. Along with this advocacy, we also have to solve the practical problem of finding a suitable Linux application for every Windows application that is used in the schools. This could take several years, and in fact it may be that there will always be some percentage of Windows boxes in the schools, which is probably okay as long as the end result is that Windows becomes an option instead of a necessity. Then MS will have be polite. Terry On Wednesday 24 April 2002 09:47 am, sendai wrote: > Ok, here is a general outline of what I see happening here. > > We appear to have two groups represented here. One group feels that we > should take a passive approach, slowly building a case and finding our own > support where we can. This group feels that the audit will likely happen > and there is nothing we can do about that and I am inclined to agree. We > are dealing with an administration and nothing gets done quickly. This is > why Microsoft gave them so little time to meet their demands. They know > that there is insufficient time for an alternative to be planned and > implemented. > > The other group wants to take an active approach, get in now and make the > changes and force the public to take notice and hopefully provide support. > They realize that something must begin now and that waiting will only work > against us. I agree with this. Once the school districts have MS in their > budget it will take alot more work to get it out. > > What we need is a merging of these attitudes. The more organized and > methodical of a front we can present to the public the more likely we are > to get support. RedHat has already stated in response to the USDOJ vs. > Microsoft proposed settlement that would offer software and support to > schools if MS would provide hardware. There is a good chance that we could > get them to make this same agreement with us. That would give us the > corporate support needed to be taken seriously. > > This is not just about MS vs. Linux it is about acountability for our tax > dollars as well. A friend of mine is a teacher for a PSD school that > cannot afford new books so they are forced to share books that are > literally falling apart and missing pages. They don't have any workbooks. > The computers and software are grossly outdated, half the time the printers > are down, which is a big deal when you don't have workbooks. The money > that should be spent buying them decent books and workbooks and upgrading > to reasonable hardware is being spent instead on MS. This is wrong. The > schools exist to provide an education not support a monopoly when there is > a more affordable, viable alternative. This is offensive not only to the > parents with children in these schools, but to the public who is paying for > something they are not getting. > > The easiest solution to this is to work with the K12Linux project since > they have the resources in place already. However, if they are not > interested in a more active approach then now is the time to start > something else. Dylan just mentioned that he could write a good press > release and mount a PR campaign. We need this kind of support since the > public is our best ally. If they support us then the schools will have to > do the right thing. I will be attempting to open preliminary talks with > RedHat this afternoon, so the sooner we get together and discuss this the > better. What is best for everyone as far as times and meeting places? Can > I assume tomorrow is too soon? Let me know and we will work on a location. > This will be very informal and just a means to get our ideas together and > decide what direction to go. If we could get a representative from the > K12Linux project to come it would be very good. Many of the statements in > this email may be incorrect or poorly founded, but that is why we need a > meeting. Let's get this going. > > Nick Iglehart > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of david may > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:53 AM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning > > > I think what is necessary right now is a framework. A commons. > Build it and they will come. > Leadership will emerge from that. And it very likely will > not be from the ranks of Geekdom. > > The eductional community needs to be part of the process, not > simply "targets" or a linux vs MS battlefield. > > I see the linux community as the engineers that "make it go". > But we are often too easily caught up in the mechanics to be > very good leaders. > > But "we can make it go" a lot better than the rest :-) > > davud > > >>>>> "Dylan" == Dylan Reinhardt writes: > > Dylan> Normally, a "do what you want" approach seems to produce > Dylan> good results in Open Source / Free Software projects. > > Dylan> But we aren't tweaking a kernel here. Responding to > Dylan> Microsoft's threat will require coordination, a plan, and > Dylan> most of all *leadership*. > > Dylan> That's because we're talking about existing organizations > Dylan> with existing plans and resources already deployed. Having > Dylan> a bunch of volunteers descend on schools and upgrade > Dylan> computers willy-nilly probably won't be very helpful unless > Dylan> it's part of a robust plan. Managing 25K installations at > Dylan> dozens of locations doesn't just happen. > > Dylan> I'm willing to give significant time and what skills I > Dylan> have. So are many people here... but I don't hear anyone > Dylan> from the schools asking for our help just yet. > > Dylan> Absent that request, I would suggest that we turn our > Dylan> energy toward things like drawing attention to the issue. > Dylan> MS stands to gain a few million dollars by shaking down > Dylan> schools? I bet we could cost them at least that much in > Dylan> bad publicity if we put our heads together. > > Dylan> In many ways, it's not really about Portland Public Schools > Dylan> at all. They are in a really tight spot here, but it's not > Dylan> as though they aren't already well aware of how to deploy > Dylan> Linux. The larger audience for our message are schools, > Dylan> organizations and businesses who think that they can afford > Dylan> Windoze b/c they are just too small or unprofitable for MS > Dylan> to bother with license enforcement. Some of these > Dylan> organizations might hear this story and realize that they > Dylan> want to start working on a migration plan ASAP. > > Dylan> As I said, I would pitch in and help PPS at the drop of a > Dylan> hat... but only if they want my help. In the mean time, I > Dylan> wonder if we shouldn't be focusing our energy and outrage > Dylan> at the larger issues this incident represents. > > Dylan> My $0.02... > > Dylan> Dylan > > > > Dylan> _______________________________________________ PLUG > Dylan> mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > Dylan> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From dmandel at pdxLinux.org Thu Apr 25 05:15:09 2002 From: dmandel at pdxLinux.org (David Mandel) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] It's not too late to register for "Change the Game with Linux" - an SAO, ISSA and SIM event (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:20:54 -0700 From: Software Association of Oregon To: plug at avalongroup.net Subject: It's not too late to register for "Change the Game with Linux" - an SAO, ISSA and SIM event David - we would like to invite all of your members to this event. How do I do that? Thanks! Barbara Anderman, SAO "Change the Game with Linux" The Software Association of Oregon (SAO), ISSA and SIM would like to invite you to attend a CIO/IT Leaders Forum on Linux and Open Source to discuss, "If you build your house on Linux, is it built on rock or sand?" We invite all CIOs, CTOs, IT and IS Managers to Change the Game with Linux. And if you have already registered for this event, we look forward to seeing you there! date: April 30, 2001 place: Oregon Zoo time: 5:30 - 8:00 pm cost: $25 to all SAO, ISSA and SIM members, $40 for nonmembers. (includes dinner) PLEASE REGISTER FOR THIS EVENT AT www.sao.org Come hear why Linux is ready for the Enterprise now and where it is going next. Dr. Daniel Frye, Director of the IBM Linux Technology Center, will discuss the IBM Linux strategy, why Linux is ready for the Enterprise now, and why IBM spent a billion dollars on Linux last year. Tim Witham, Director of the Open Source Development Laboratory, will discuss where Linux, the fastest maturing operating system in history, is going next. And Amar Kamadoli of Axian will discuss why it's hot, and pros and cons of usage. Speakers: Dan Frye, IBM Linux Technology Center Daniel D. Frye, Director, Linux Technology Center (LTC) is responsible for overseeing IBM's Linux technical strategy and IBM's participation in the open source Linux development community. Amar Kamadoli, Consulting Engineer & Instructor, Axian Amar is a software developer specializing in Linux/Samba administration and configuration in a Windows/Linux environment, as well as a certified instructor for the Red Hat Certified Engineer Course and the Linux Use and Administration and Linux Programming Essentials courses. 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From wcooley at nakedape.cc Thu Apr 25 05:36:33 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:36:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What I needed to know In-Reply-To: <20020425040044.51788.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com>; from aarghj@yahoo.com on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 09:00:44PM -0700 References: <20020425040044.51788.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020424223633.D22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach john morgali on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 09:00:44PM PDT > for over a year now, I have been struggling with > learning linux/unix. I found that unix was easier to > learn, and had a nicer interface(I use solaris8 for > intel). I met someone not too long ago who showed me > something nobody else ever did, including my unix > instructor at portland community > college...http://localhost:8888. > > so for anyone who does NOT just intrinsicly know these > things, THAT IS THE HELP FILE!! I wish someone would > have told me this a year ago. > > thanks to all who helped me, or attempted to, now I > can help myself. :) > > John Morgali, still a newbie *nix user... Do you mean http://localhost:8888 is the Solaris documentation server? (It's been a couple years since I messed with Solaris, but that seems about right.) Linux distros don't have a uniformly installed documentation server, but most of the documentation is available in man pages (this should be the first thing they taught you), as text in /usr/doc or /usr/share/doc (most newer distros use the latter, to be FHS-compliant), info pages, or just plain web sites, particularly http://www.tldp.org. Once you've pretty well mastered the user commands of one flavor of UNIX, picking up another is considerably easier. 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First and foremost, everyone is being *swamped* with requests to help. We're overjoyed with the response, schools very rarely receive such generous offers to help. For all the beatings we've taken in the schools system recently, it is very uplifting to have such strong community support. But no one knows exactly how all of this is going to play out, so they're not exactly sure what help they are going to need. There is a big regional education conference tomorrow and Friday, a round table discussion to iron all of this out is scheduled. All of the schools I've talked to are scrambling to figure out a way to utilize the good-will of the community. They all promised to get me contact info & an outline for what help they could use ASAP. I'll post such info here as I get it. Hopefully that will be within the next couple of days, but most likely sometime next week. Until then, thanks for the support! -Eric From aarghj at yahoo.com Thu Apr 25 06:36:31 2002 From: aarghj at yahoo.com (john morgali) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] What I needed to know In-Reply-To: <20020424223633.D22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <20020425063631.83013.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Yes indeed. that is the documentation server, nice easy to read documentation. starts with headings, like administration, gettings started, basic use, advanced use, opening and closing programs, etc. probelm is, everyone says read the man pages. well, if I am completely unfamiliar with linux/unix, and dont know that I want said program to do said operation, then I dont know that I need to type man said program. see my point? anyway, I do appreciate all the help I have gotten from people, but it just never made sense cuz I had no clue what program does or meant what. now I have something that will walk me through what does what, how to add user accounts, set restrictions, etc. I am mostly shocked that my "Intro to Unix" course instructor at portland community college failed to mention the existence of such a document. I havent tried it on other distro's of linux, but I have heard that it did work on other distro's. including the bsd installed on mac osX. :) any followup from others would be appreciated. :) John Morgali, only slightly befuddled now.... --- Wil Cooley wrote: > Also Sprach john morgali on Wed, > Apr 24, 2002 at 09:00:44PM PDT > > for over a year now, I have been struggling with > > learning linux/unix. I found that unix was easier > to > > learn, and had a nicer interface(I use solaris8 > for > > intel). I met someone not too long ago who showed > me > > something nobody else ever did, including my unix > > instructor at portland community > > college...http://localhost:8888. > > > > so for anyone who does NOT just intrinsicly know > these > > things, THAT IS THE HELP FILE!! I wish someone > would > > have told me this a year ago. > > > > thanks to all who helped me, or attempted to, now > I > > can help myself. :) > > > > John Morgali, still a newbie *nix user... > > Do you mean http://localhost:8888 is the Solaris > documentation > server? (It's been a couple years since I messed > with Solaris, > but that seems about right.) Linux distros don't > have a uniformly > installed documentation server, but most of the > documentation is > available in man pages (this should be the first > thing they taught > you), as text in /usr/doc or /usr/share/doc (most > newer distros > use the latter, to be FHS-compliant), info pages, or > just plain > web sites, particularly http://www.tldp.org. Once > you've pretty > well mastered the user commands of one flavor of > UNIX, picking up > another is considerably easier. > > Wil > -- > Wil Cooley > wcooley at nakedape.cc > Naked Ape Consulting > http://nakedape.cc > * Linux and Network Consulting * > > irc.linux.com > #orlug,#lnxs > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From sandy at herring.org Thu Apr 25 11:32:04 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 04:32:04 -0700 Subject: *****SPAM***** [PLUG] It's not too late to register for "Change the Game with Linux" - an SAO, ISSA and SIM event (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from dmandel@pdxLinux.org on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 10:15:09PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020425043204.A19177@kippered.herring.org> heh. Looks like I need to whitelist posts from plug :-) Sandy On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, David Mandel wrote: > SPAM: -------------------- Start SpamAssassin results ---------------------- > SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered > SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. > SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. > SPAM: > SPAM: Content analysis details: (6.3 hits, 5 required) > SPAM: Hit! (2.7 points) BODY: Claims you can be removed from the list > SPAM: Hit! (2.1 points) BODY: Talks about opting in > SPAM: Hit! (1.4 points) BODY: Claims you can be removed from the list > SPAM: Hit! (0.5 points) BODY: A WHOLE LINE OF YELLING DETECTED > SPAM: Hit! (-0.4 points) BODY: Contains a line >=199 characters long > SPAM: Hit! (0.0 points) Reply-To: massively different from From: or To: > SPAM: > SPAM: -------------------- End of SpamAssassin results --------------------- > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:20:54 -0700 > From: Software Association of Oregon > To: plug at avalongroup.net > Subject: It's not too late to register for "Change the Game with Linux" - > an SAO, ISSA and SIM event > > David - we would like to invite all of your members to this event. How do I do that? Thanks! Barbara Anderman, SAO [chomp] -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I might use "apropos modem" or "apropos serial"...something like that. john morgali wrote: > well, if I am completely unfamiliar with linux/unix, > and dont know that I want said program to do said > operation, then I dont know that I need to type man > said program. see my point? -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas *Fscking* Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From hapibeli at save-net.com Thu Apr 25 01:32:59 2002 From: hapibeli at save-net.com (Dirk & Karen) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:32:59 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] Xemacs dependencies Message-ID: <20020425163111.36F125DCC@server3.safepages.com> I'm recieving the following error while trying to install xemacs from my Mandrake 8.2 cd; mnt]# rpm -i cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS2/xemacs-21.4.6-6mdk.i586.rpm error: failed dependencies: ctags is needed by xemacs-21.4.6-6mdk What do I need? Thanks Dirk From rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com Thu Apr 25 16:39:23 2002 From: rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:39:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Xemacs dependencies Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B10D@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Dirk & Karen [mailto:hapibeli at save-net.com] > mnt]# rpm -i cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS2/xemacs-21.4.6-6mdk.i586.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > ctags is needed by xemacs-21.4.6-6mdk ctags has its own package with the same name. -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. 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I have no idea what alternatives is, and search on rpmfind > turned up a couple of rpms for Conectiva, but nothing else. > > Can anyone tell me what alternatives might be, and where I might find > it? Check Rawhide or the Skipjack beta. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From iconoklastic at yahoo.com Thu Apr 25 18:06:54 2002 From: iconoklastic at yahoo.com (Robert Kopp) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] GRUB kernel options Message-ID: <20020425180654.47999.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> According to the computer, I'm supposed to give "acpi=no-idle" to GRUB as a kernel parameter. I've done such things with LILO but not with GRUB. Can someone using GRUB with non-default options show me how kernel options are specified in the configuration file? ===== Robert "Tim" Kopp http://analytic.tripod.com/ "SAMBA--opening Windows to a wider world." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From wcooley at nakedape.cc Thu Apr 25 18:11:56 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:11:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] GRUB kernel options In-Reply-To: <20020425180654.47999.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com>; from iconoklastic@yahoo.com on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 11:06:54AM -0700 References: <20020425180654.47999.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020425111156.M22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Robert Kopp on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 11:06:54AM PDT > According to the computer, I'm supposed to give > "acpi=no-idle" to GRUB as a kernel parameter. I've > done such things with LILO but not with GRUB. Can > someone using GRUB with non-default options show me > how kernel options are specified in the configuration file? Just add your options on the 'kernel' line in /boot/grub/menu.lst. You don't need to run anything to make the changes take effect like you did with LILO. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I havent tried it on other distro's of > linux, but I have heard that it did work on other > distro's. including the bsd installed on mac osX. :) This is the Answerbook. It's not always installed, by default, however. This may have changes in Sol 8 but in previous versions, you needed to install it yourself and the documentation that you wanted to store online. It is definitely not a standard, excepting above on Solaris, to have an http help system on port 8888. -- WEL From mark at planetwills.com Thu Apr 25 18:08:45 2002 From: mark at planetwills.com (Mark Wills) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:08:45 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Question In-Reply-To: <3CC6F6F9.22EEF374@anodizing.com> Message-ID: uniq works great for this type of thing. In this case using sed to strip out the date portion. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Abraham Zwygart Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:19 AM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] Question Hi all, I have a script that list all users that try to logon a linux pop3 email server incorrectly. It sorts (by logon and address) and emails the list to me. I would like to take it one step further, and that is to only list each person once with the number of times they had a failed login. sample of the output: user=usera host=[##.##.##.1] Apr 23 11:09:53 user=usera host=[##.##.##.1] Apr 23 11:10:04 user=usera host=[##.##.##.1] Apr 23 11:10:40 user=usera host=[##.##.##.1] Apr 23 11:10:50 user=userb host=[##.##.##.2] Apr 22 06:43:39 user=userb host=[##.##.##.2] Apr 22 12:02:57 user=userb host=[##.##.##.2] Apr 22 12:03:02 user=userc host=[##.##.##.3] Apr 24 10:38:29 would like: user=usera host=[##.##.##.1] faild logins=4 user=userb host=[##.##.##.2] faild logins=3 user=userc host=[##.##.##.3] faild logins=1 The count needs to change when the user name and ip address change. Is there a easy script command that can do this? Thanks Abraham Z. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- | Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ | SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator | 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy at anodizing.com | Portland, OR 97211 | Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 | | The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine | and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From gaetano at minastirith.org Thu Apr 25 18:44:07 2002 From: gaetano at minastirith.org (Gaetano) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:44:07 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What I needed to know References: Message-ID: <3CC84E77.5050006@minastirith.org> There is also http://docs.sun.com/ which should have the same documents you find in an Answerbook installation on your localhost:8888. During a Solaris 8 setup there is an option for the installation of the answerbook packages. I don't remember if its on by default. Longman, Bill wrote: >>From: john morgali [mailto:aarghj at yahoo.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:37 PM >>To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org >>Subject: Re: [PLUG] What I needed to know >> >> >>Yes indeed. that is the documentation server, nice >>easy to read documentation. starts with headings, >>like administration, gettings started, basic use, >>advanced use, opening and closing programs, etc. >>probelm is, everyone says read the man pages. >>well, if I am completely unfamiliar with linux/unix, >>and dont know that I want said program to do said >>operation, then I dont know that I need to type man >>said program. see my point? anyway, I do appreciate >>all the help I have gotten from people, but it just >>never made sense cuz I had no clue what program does >>or meant what. now I have something that will walk me >>through what does what, how to add user accounts, set >>restrictions, etc. I am mostly shocked that my "Intro >>to Unix" course instructor at portland community >>college failed to mention the existence of such a >>document. I havent tried it on other distro's of >>linux, but I have heard that it did work on other >>distro's. including the bsd installed on mac osX. :) >> >> > >This is the Answerbook. It's not always installed, by default, however. This >may have changes in Sol 8 but in previous versions, you needed to install it >yourself and the documentation that you wanted to store online. > >It is definitely not a standard, excepting above on Solaris, to have an http >help system on port 8888. > >-- >WEL > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > From barryb at proaxis.com Thu Apr 25 19:42:02 2002 From: barryb at proaxis.com (Bill Barry) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:42:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 Message-ID: <20020425124202.A2099@edge> I am thinking about buying a refurbished Thinkpad 600 to use as a linux laptop. I have checked around and everything on it seems to be supported, even the mwave winmodem. The question is, why are there so many of these refurbished systems around. Does anybody have one. Are they reliable. Thanks for any comments, Bill From mashanti at voaor.org Thu Apr 25 20:09:40 2002 From: mashanti at voaor.org (mashanti at voaor.org) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 In-Reply-To: <20020425124202.A2099@edge> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Bill Barry wrote: > I am thinking about buying a refurbished Thinkpad 600 to use as a linux laptop. > I have checked around and everything on it seems to be supported, even > the mwave winmodem. The question is, why are there so many of these > refurbished systems around. Does anybody have one. Are they reliable. Yes, I have a Thinkpad 600. I too, purchased it used. Actually, mine was probably not refurbished. Anyway, I had no problem installing rh7.x. Don't know why there are so many of them available. I work in console mode most of the time but have lately used OpenOffice alot, so I have been in X. The problems that I have had have been related to my newness to Linux. Malaika > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From smathews at pcez.com Thu Apr 25 20:06:44 2002 From: smathews at pcez.com (Stuart Mathews) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:06:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 References: <20020425124202.A2099@edge> Message-ID: <3CC861D4.80445AE1@pcez.com> I too have been looking to acquire a thinkpad to run Linux on. I used to have one when I worked at IBM and I loved it. A good friend who works for one of the big consulting shops said they dumped all their Dell laptops in favor of Thinkpads because the former was causing them grief. Plus, I wonder if there is better support for Linux on Thinkpads?? Anybody know about that? I haven't been able to convince myself to pull the trigger on a used Thinkpad though. Laptops tend to have harder lives than PCs, and paying several hundred bucks for a system that might develop "issues" sooner than I'd like doesn't seem appealing when you can now get a brand new thinkpad wiht all the latest stuff inside for close to a thousand bucks. Plus a better warranty. I'd be curious as to how your experience goes... > I am thinking about buying a refurbished Thinkpad 600 to use as a linux laptop. > I have checked around and everything on it seems to be supported, even > the mwave winmodem. The question is, why are there so many of these > refurbished systems around. Does anybody have one. Are they reliable. > > Thanks for any comments, > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From richard.langis at sun.com Thu Apr 25 20:14:02 2002 From: richard.langis at sun.com (Richard Langis) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:14:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 References: <20020425124202.A2099@edge> Message-ID: <3CC8638A.60206@sun.com> Most refurbished computers from major manufacturers come from expired lease deals. In other words, used, sent back to the manufacturer, cleaned, software reload, burnin, and resold. At least, I'm pretty sure this is the case, in particular when dealing with the manufacturer of the item itself. -R Bill Barry wrote: > I am thinking about buying a refurbished Thinkpad 600 to use as a linux laptop. > I have checked around and everything on it seems to be supported, even > the mwave winmodem. The question is, why are there so many of these > refurbished systems around. Does anybody have one. Are they reliable. > > Thanks for any comments, > Bill From barryb at proaxis.com Thu Apr 25 20:25:52 2002 From: barryb at proaxis.com (Bill Barry) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:25:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 In-Reply-To: <3CC861D4.80445AE1@pcez.com>; from smathews@pcez.com on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 01:06:44PM -0700 References: <20020425124202.A2099@edge> <3CC861D4.80445AE1@pcez.com> Message-ID: <20020425132552.B2099@edge> In general the Thinkpad linux support is good. I installed a dual boot system on my wife's Thinkpad i1300 a few months ago and everything works except the winmodem. But it's hers and so now I am looking to get one for myself. Bill On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 01:06:44PM -0700, Stuart Mathews wrote: > I too have been looking to acquire a thinkpad to run Linux on. I used to have one > when I worked at IBM and I loved it. A good friend who works for one of the big > consulting shops said they dumped all their Dell laptops in favor of Thinkpads > because the former was causing them grief. Plus, I wonder if there is better > support for Linux on Thinkpads?? Anybody know about that? > > I haven't been able to convince myself to pull the trigger on a used Thinkpad > though. Laptops tend to have harder lives than PCs, and paying several hundred > bucks for a system that might develop "issues" sooner than I'd like doesn't seem > appealing when you can now get a brand new thinkpad wiht all the latest stuff > inside for close to a thousand bucks. Plus a better warranty. > > I'd be curious as to how your experience goes... From randal.t.pluimer at intel.com Thu Apr 25 20:26:00 2002 From: randal.t.pluimer at intel.com (Pluimer, Randal T) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:26:00 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 Message-ID: There are so many because they are a standard IT model used by many corporations. Decent perf. As stable as the os you use. Thats what I'm working on now. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Barry [mailto:barryb at proaxis.com] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 12:42 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 I am thinking about buying a refurbished Thinkpad 600 to use as a linux laptop. I have checked around and everything on it seems to be supported, even the mwave winmodem. The question is, why are there so many of these refurbished systems around. Does anybody have one. Are they reliable. Thanks for any comments, Bill _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From wcooley at nakedape.cc Thu Apr 25 20:29:43 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:29:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 In-Reply-To: <20020425124202.A2099@edge>; from barryb@proaxis.com on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 12:42:02PM -0700 References: <20020425124202.A2099@edge> Message-ID: <20020425132943.Q22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Bill Barry on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 12:42:02PM PDT > I am thinking about buying a refurbished Thinkpad 600 to use as a > linux laptop. I have checked around and everything on it seems to be > supported, even the mwave winmodem. The question is, why are there so > many of these refurbished systems around. Does anybody have one. Are > they reliable. Check the warranty if you're getting it from IBM. They're supposed to have very good warranty support, but I don't know about refurbs. What prices are you seeing and what are the specs? Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From barryb at proaxis.com Thu Apr 25 20:46:49 2002 From: barryb at proaxis.com (Bill Barry) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:46:49 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 In-Reply-To: <20020425132943.Q22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv>; from wcooley@nakedape.cc on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 01:29:43PM -0700 References: <20020425124202.A2099@edge> <20020425132943.Q22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <20020425134649.C2099@edge> The warranty is 3 months and the prices are around $550 for a PII 300 with a 5GB hard drive and a 128k ram. More than enough power for the things I do. The warranty is short, but that seems reasonable for a refurbished machine. Bill > > Check the warranty if you're getting it from IBM. They're supposed > to have very good warranty support, but I don't know about refurbs. > What prices are you seeing and what are the specs? > > Wil > -- > Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc > Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc > * Linux and Network Consulting * > irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs From greg at kroah.com Thu Apr 25 20:18:20 2002 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:18:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 In-Reply-To: <20020425124202.A2099@edge> References: <20020425124202.A2099@edge> Message-ID: <20020425201819.GE20075@kroah.com> On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 12:42:02PM -0700, Bill Barry wrote: > I am thinking about buying a refurbished Thinkpad 600 to use as a linux laptop. > I have checked around and everything on it seems to be supported, even > the mwave winmodem. The question is, why are there so many of these > refurbished systems around. Does anybody have one. Are they reliable. I have a 600 that's been handed down to me at work. It's 4 years old and runs Linux great. No problems with Immunix 7 or Red Hat 7.1 or 7.2 or 7.3 (beta). Not the fastest thing if you're doing a lot of programming, but for reading email and doing web stuff on the couch it works fine :) greg k-h From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Apr 25 22:06:35 2002 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:06:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] CUPS question... References: <1019756308.846.4.camel@reepicheep> <20020425105001.K22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <3CC87DEB.7060506@parkrose.k12.or.us> Wil Cooley wrote: > Also Sprach Timothy Grant on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 10:38:26AM PDT > >>Hi all, >> >>I recently decided to take a look at KDE 3.0 (BTW: I'm very impressed >>with it). One of the things I needed to do to build KDE was to install >>CUPS, do I downloaded three rpms cups-lib, cups and cups-devel and >>installed them. However, cups had a dependency for something called >>alternatives. I have no idea what alternatives is, and search on rpmfind >>turned up a couple of rpms for Conectiva, but nothing else. >> >>Can anyone tell me what alternatives might be, and where I might find >>it? > > > Check Rawhide or the Skipjack beta. > > Wil The package that provides alternatives is chkconfig in the skipjack beta. Here's the RPM: ftp://limestone.uoregon.edu/redhat/beta/skipjack/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/chkconfig-1.3.4-1.i386.rpm From rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com Thu Apr 25 22:40:35 2002 From: rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:40:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] rpm Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B138@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> I have a couple of packages that rpm a) lists as being installed and b) won't uninstall because the are not installed: [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm --rebuilddb [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -qa | grep vnc vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 error: package vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 error: package vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed [root at cmc02020 bin]# This is slightly aggravating. Suggestions? -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Apr 25 22:56:29 2002 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:56:29 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] rpm References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B138@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: <3CC8899D.9070800@parkrose.k12.or.us> Michael Rasmussen wrote: > I have a couple of packages that rpm a) lists as being installed and b) > won't uninstall because the are not installed: > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm --rebuilddb > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -qa | grep vnc > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > error: package vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > error: package vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > [root at cmc02020 bin]# > > > This is slightly aggravating. Suggestions? Perhaps try being less specific when naming the package. What happens if you do: rpm -e vnc-server You might try using a gui such as gnorpm or kpackage, just for kicks. -Dan Young From cmize at loadzone.org Thu Apr 25 23:17:49 2002 From: cmize at loadzone.org (Chuck Mize) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:17:49 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] rpm References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B138@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: <008901c1ecaf$6d420640$9c0a10ac@tpcllp.com> Try rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep vnc` ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rasmussen" To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: [PLUG] rpm > > I have a couple of packages that rpm a) lists as being installed and b) > won't uninstall because the are not installed: > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm --rebuilddb > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -qa | grep vnc > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > error: package vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > error: package vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > [root at cmc02020 bin]# > > > This is slightly aggravating. Suggestions? > > -- > Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management > voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com > http://www.columbiafunds.com > > NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From mikeraz at patch.com Thu Apr 25 23:26:33 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz at patch.com) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:26:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] rpm In-Reply-To: <008901c1ecaf$6d420640$9c0a10ac@tpcllp.com>; from cmize@loadzone.org on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:17:49PM -0700 References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B138@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> <008901c1ecaf$6d420640$9c0a10ac@tpcllp.com> Message-ID: <20020425162633.A15662@patch.com> Huh? What would the difference be? On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:17:49PM -0700, Chuck Mize typed: > Try rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep vnc` > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Rasmussen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:40 PM > Subject: [PLUG] rpm > > > > > > I have a couple of packages that rpm a) lists as being installed and b) > > won't uninstall because the are not installed: > > > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm --rebuilddb > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -qa | grep vnc > > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > error: package vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > error: package vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# > -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin But keep in mind: I stood on the leading edge, The eastern seaboard at my feet. "Jump!" said Yoko Ono I'm too scared and good-looking, I cried. Go on and give it a try, Why prolong the agony, all men must die. -- Roger Waters, "The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking" From sandy at herring.org Thu Apr 25 23:27:20 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:27:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 In-Reply-To: <20020425134649.C2099@edge>; from barryb@proaxis.com on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 01:46:49PM -0700 References: <20020425124202.A2099@edge> <20020425132943.Q22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <20020425134649.C2099@edge> Message-ID: <20020425162720.C27334@kippered.herring.org> On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Bill Barry wrote: > The warranty is 3 months and the prices are around $550 for a > PII 300 with a 5GB hard drive and a 128k ram. More than ^ ! I'd see about getting more RAM. The last time I worked on a system with 128k of ram was 1980 (a Microdata REALITY the size of two refrigerators - not counting the Memorex 667 127Mb drives {w/removable packs - and they resembled a washing machine}). :-) Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We're overjoyed with the response, schools very rarely receive such generous offers to help. For all the beatings we've taken in the schools system recently, it is very uplifting to have such strong community support. But no one knows exactly how all of this is going to play out, so they're not exactly sure what help they are going to need. There is a big regional education conference tomorrow and Friday, a round table discussion to iron all of this out is scheduled. All of the schools I've talked to are scrambling to figure out a way to utilize the good-will of the community. They all promised to get me contact info & an outline for what help they could use ASAP. I'll post such info here as I get it. Hopefully that will be within the next couple of days, but most likely sometime next week. Until then, thanks for the support! -Eric _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From griffint at aracnet.com Thu Apr 25 23:40:12 2002 From: griffint at aracnet.com (Terry Griffin) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 In-Reply-To: <20020425162720.C27334@kippered.herring.org> from "Sandy Herring" at Apr 25, 2002 04:27:20 PM Message-ID: <200204252340.g3PNeCg32517@shell1.aracnet.com> > > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Bill Barry wrote:=20 > > The warranty is 3 months and the prices are around $550 for a=20 > > PII 300 with a 5GB hard drive and a 128k ram. More than > ^ > ! > I'd see about getting more RAM. The last time I worked on a system with 128k > of ram was 1980 (a Microdata REALITY the size of two refrigerators - not > counting the Memorex 667 127Mb drives {w/removable packs - and they > resembled a washing machine}). > These days a *real* washing machine probably has more than a 128k RAM. Terry -- Terry Griffin http://www.blindchicken.com/~terryg/ From barryb at proaxis.com Thu Apr 25 23:50:17 2002 From: barryb at proaxis.com (Bill Barry) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:50:17 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 In-Reply-To: <20020425162720.C27334@kippered.herring.org>; from sandy@herring.org on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:27:20PM -0700 References: <20020425124202.A2099@edge> <20020425132943.Q22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <20020425134649.C2099@edge> <20020425162720.C27334@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: <20020425165017.A2680@edge> whoops :) I've ordered it now. Maybe I can upgrade it to something like 640k later. Thanks to everyone for their comments. I will let you know how it works when I get it. Bill On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:27:20PM -0700, Sandy Herring wrote: > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Bill Barry wrote: > > The warranty is 3 months and the prices are around $550 for a > > PII 300 with a 5GB hard drive and a 128k ram. More than > ^ > ! > I'd see about getting more RAM. The last time I worked on a system with 128k > of ram was 1980 (a Microdata REALITY the size of two refrigerators - not > counting the Memorex 667 127Mb drives {w/removable packs - and they > resembled a washing machine}). > > :-) Sandy > -- > Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org > Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ > UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html > =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc > *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. From cmize at loadzone.org Thu Apr 25 23:52:36 2002 From: cmize at loadzone.org (Chuck Mize) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:52:36 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] rpm References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B138@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> <008901c1ecaf$6d420640$9c0a10ac@tpcllp.com> <20020425162633.A15662@patch.com> Message-ID: <013b01c1ecb4$4764a090$9c0a10ac@tpcllp.com> As I understand it the command in between the ` ` will be run and the output of that job will be used in the rpm -e command. He already said that rpm -qa | grep vnc successfully displays the packages as installed so I thought it might it work to remove them. I could, of course, be completely wrong and consequently be beaten senseless by the cluestick but that remains to be seen. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [PLUG] rpm > Huh? What would the difference be? > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:17:49PM -0700, Chuck Mize typed: > > Try rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep vnc` > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Rasmussen" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:40 PM > > Subject: [PLUG] rpm > > > > > > > > > > I have a couple of packages that rpm a) lists as being installed and b) > > > won't uninstall because the are not installed: > > > > > > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm --rebuilddb > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -qa | grep vnc > > > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > error: package vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > error: package vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# > > > -- > Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz > Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity > "They that give up essential liberty to obtain > temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > But keep in mind: > I stood on the leading edge, > The eastern seaboard at my feet. > "Jump!" said Yoko Ono > I'm too scared and good-looking, I cried. > Go on and give it a try, > Why prolong the agony, all men must die. > -- Roger Waters, "The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking" > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From montagne at boora.com Fri Apr 26 00:06:34 2002 From: montagne at boora.com (Michael Montagne) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:06:34 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Rename script Message-ID: <20020426000634.GA20708@boora.com> I need a shell script to rename many files. The files names look like: "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S607.tif" and "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S608.tif". I want to strip the prefix and just have S607.tif and S608.tif. I think the prefixes are all the same. For sure they all have an underscore preceding the part that I want. The easy part is that they are all in the same directory. -- Michael Montagne montagne at boora.com http://www.boora.com From don at truedisk.com Fri Apr 26 00:13:28 2002 From: don at truedisk.com (Don Buchholz) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:13:28 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Rename script References: <20020426000634.GA20708@boora.com> Message-ID: <3CC89BA8.3F8D766D@truedisk.com> Michael Montagne wrote: > > I need a shell script to rename many files. The files names look like: > "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S607.tif" and > "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S608.tif". > I want to strip the prefix and just have S607.tif and S608.tif. > I think the prefixes are all the same. > For sure they all have an underscore preceding the part that I want. > The easy part is that they are all in the same directory. > #!/bin/sh for f in * do newf=`echo $f | sed -e 's/.*_//'` mv $f $newf done That should do it. You can type it in at the command line, or put it in a file. (As always, it is prudent to have a backup before applying wholesale changes to your files.) -- - Don Buchholz - TrueDisk, 7431 NW Evergreen Pkwy - #110, Hillsboro, OR 97124 - voice: 503/615-0888 x266 FAX: 503/693-0873 From m at netpro.to Fri Apr 26 00:23:12 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Rename script In-Reply-To: <3CC89BA8.3F8D766D@truedisk.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Don Buchholz wrote: > Michael Montagne wrote: > > > > I need a shell script to rename many files. The files names look like: > > "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S607.tif" and > > "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S608.tif". > > I want to strip the prefix and just have S607.tif and S608.tif. > > I think the prefixes are all the same. > > For sure they all have an underscore preceding the part that I want. > > The easy part is that they are all in the same directory. > > > > #!/bin/sh > for f in * > do > newf=`echo $f | sed -e 's/.*_//'` > mv $f $newf > done > > > That should do it. You can type it in at the command line, > or put it in a file. (As always, it is prudent to have a backup > before applying wholesale changes to your files.) This won't work because there are spaces in the filenames. ~M P.S. I'm trying to remember how I solved a similar problem... From sandy at herring.org Fri Apr 26 00:31:30 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:31:30 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] rpm In-Reply-To: <013b01c1ecb4$4764a090$9c0a10ac@tpcllp.com>; from cmize@loadzone.org on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:52:36PM -0700 References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B138@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> <008901c1ecaf$6d420640$9c0a10ac@tpcllp.com> <20020425162633.A15662@patch.com> <013b01c1ecb4$4764a090$9c0a10ac@tpcllp.com> Message-ID: <20020425173130.A28267@kippered.herring.org> Chuck, The "cluestick" was in his original post... > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > error: package vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > error: package vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed ...thus Mike's question about the difference. Sandy On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Chuck Mize wrote: > As I understand it the command in between the ` ` will be run and the output > of that job will be used in the rpm -e command. He already said that rpm -qa > | grep vnc successfully displays the packages as installed so I thought it > might it work to remove them. I could, of course, be completely wrong and > consequently be beaten senseless by the cluestick but that remains to be > seen. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 4:26 PM > Subject: Re: [PLUG] rpm > > > > Huh? What would the difference be? > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:17:49PM -0700, Chuck Mize typed: > > > Try rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep vnc` > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael Rasmussen" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:40 PM > > > Subject: [PLUG] rpm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a couple of packages that rpm a) lists as being installed and > b) > > > > won't uninstall because the are not installed: > > > > > > > > > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm --rebuilddb > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -qa | grep vnc > > > > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > > vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > > error: package vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > > error: package vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# > > > > > -- > > Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz > > Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity > > "They that give up essential liberty to obtain > > temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin > > But keep in mind: > > I stood on the leading edge, > > The eastern seaboard at my feet. > > "Jump!" said Yoko Ono > > I'm too scared and good-looking, I cried. > > Go on and give it a try, > > Why prolong the agony, all men must die. > > -- Roger Waters, "The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The files names look like: > "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S607.tif" and > "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S608.tif". > I want to strip the prefix and just have S607.tif and S608.tif. > I think the prefixes are all the same. > For sure they all have an underscore preceding the part that I want. > The easy part is that they are all in the same directory. Check `ren` http://freshmeat.net/projects/ren/ note the file ren-1.0.tar.gz is not really gziped, just tarred. -- Kyle Accardi From m at netpro.to Fri Apr 26 00:35:08 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Rename script In-Reply-To: <3CC89BA8.3F8D766D@truedisk.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Don Buchholz wrote: > Michael Montagne wrote: > > > > I need a shell script to rename many files. The files names look like: > > "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S607.tif" and > > "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S608.tif". > > I want to strip the prefix and just have S607.tif and S608.tif. > > I think the prefixes are all the same. > > For sure they all have an underscore preceding the part that I want. > > The easy part is that they are all in the same directory. > > > > #!/bin/sh > for f in * > do > newf=`echo $f | sed -e 's/.*_//'` > mv $f $newf > done This will do it for you: #!/bin/sh for f in *tif do newf=`echo "$f" | sed -e 's/.*_//'` mv "$f" "$newf" done The quotes are the variables handle the spaces. ~M From don at truedisk.com Fri Apr 26 00:28:37 2002 From: don at truedisk.com (Don Buchholz) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:28:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Rename script References: Message-ID: <3CC89F35.F0F0143F@truedisk.com> Add quotes around the two args to mv(1): #!/bin/sh for f in * do newf=`echo $f | sed -e 's/.*_//'` mv "$f" "$newf" done If you have double-quotes (") in the file name, well, all bets are off. - Don ======================= At least this worked on my RH 6.2 system: $ touch 'N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S607.tif' $ touch 'N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S608.tif' $ touch 'N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S609.tif' $ ls -l total 0 -rw-rw-r-- 1 bmeister tdBuild 0 Apr 25 17:25 N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S607.tif -rw-rw-r-- 1 bmeister tdBuild 0 Apr 25 17:25 N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S608.tif -rw-rw-r-- 1 bmeister tdBuild 0 Apr 25 17:25 N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S609.tif $ for f in * ; do > newf=`echo $f | sed -e 's/.*_//'` > mv "$f" "$newf" > done $ ls -l total 0 -rw-rw-r-- 1 bmeister tdBuild 0 Apr 25 17:25 S607.tif -rw-rw-r-- 1 bmeister tdBuild 0 Apr 25 17:25 S608.tif -rw-rw-r-- 1 bmeister tdBuild 0 Apr 25 17:25 S609.tif Matt Alexander wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Don Buchholz wrote: > > > Michael Montagne wrote: > > > > > > I need a shell script to rename many files. The files names look like: > > > "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S607.tif" and > > > "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S608.tif". > > > I want to strip the prefix and just have S607.tif and S608.tif. > > > I think the prefixes are all the same. > > > For sure they all have an underscore preceding the part that I want. > > > The easy part is that they are all in the same directory. > > > > > > > #!/bin/sh > > for f in * > > do > > newf=`echo $f | sed -e 's/.*_//'` > > mv $f $newf > > done > > > > > > That should do it. You can type it in at the command line, > > or put it in a file. (As always, it is prudent to have a backup > > before applying wholesale changes to your files.) > > This won't work because there are spaces in the filenames. > ~M > P.S. I'm trying to remember how I solved a similar problem... > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- - Don Buchholz - TrueDisk, 7431 NW Evergreen Pkwy - #110, Hillsboro, OR 97124 - voice: 503/615-0888 x266 FAX: 503/693-0873 From cmize at loadzone.org Fri Apr 26 00:36:23 2002 From: cmize at loadzone.org (Chuck Mize) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:36:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] rpm In-Reply-To: <20020425173130.A28267@kippered.herring.org> References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B138@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> <013b01c1ecb4$4764a090$9c0a10ac@tpcllp.com> <20020425173130.A28267@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: <200204251736.23536.cmize@loadzone.org> But he also said that rpm -qa | grep vnc successfully listed the packages [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -qa | grep vnc vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 On Thursday 25 April 2002 05:31 pm, Sandy Herring wrote: > Chuck, > > The "cluestick" was in his original post... > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > error: package vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > error: package vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > ...thus Mike's question about the difference. > > Sandy > > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Chuck Mize wrote: > > As I understand it the command in between the ` ` will be run and the > > output of that job will be used in the rpm -e command. He already said > > that rpm -qa > > > > | grep vnc successfully displays the packages as installed so I thought > > | it > > > > might it work to remove them. I could, of course, be completely wrong and > > consequently be beaten senseless by the cluestick but that remains to be > > seen. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 4:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] rpm > > > > > Huh? What would the difference be? > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:17:49PM -0700, Chuck Mize typed: > > > > Try rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep vnc` > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michael Rasmussen" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:40 PM > > > > Subject: [PLUG] rpm > > > > > > > > > I have a couple of packages that rpm a) lists as being installed > > > > > and > > > > b) > > > > > > > won't uninstall because the are not installed: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm --rebuilddb > > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -qa | grep vnc > > > > > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > > > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > > > vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > > > error: package vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > > > error: package vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# > > > > > > -- > > > Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz > > > Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity > > > "They that give up essential liberty to obtain > > > temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." > > > -- Benjamin Franklin > > > But keep in mind: > > > I stood on the leading edge, > > > The eastern seaboard at my feet. > > > "Jump!" said Yoko Ono > > > I'm too scared and good-looking, I cried. > > > Go on and give it a try, > > > Why prolong the agony, all men must die. > > > -- Roger Waters, "The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking" > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From sandy at herring.org Fri Apr 26 00:37:27 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:37:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Rename script In-Reply-To: ; from m@netpro.to on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 05:23:12PM -0700 References: <3CC89BA8.3F8D766D@truedisk.com> Message-ID: <20020425173727.B28267@kippered.herring.org> On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Matt Alexander wrote: > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Don Buchholz wrote: > > > Michael Montagne wrote: > > > > > > I need a shell script to rename many files. The files names look like: > > > "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S607.tif" and > > > "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S608.tif". > > > I want to strip the prefix and just have S607.tif and S608.tif. > > > I think the prefixes are all the same. > > > For sure they all have an underscore preceding the part that I want. > > > The easy part is that they are all in the same directory. > > > > > > > #!/bin/sh > > for f in * > > do > > newf=`echo $f | sed -e 's/.*_//'` > > mv $f $newf > > done > > > > > > That should do it. You can type it in at the command line, > > or put it in a file. (As always, it is prudent to have a backup > > before applying wholesale changes to your files.) > > This won't work because there are spaces in the filenames. > ~M > P.S. I'm trying to remember how I solved a similar problem... How 'bout using parameter substitution... #!/bin/bash for f in * do newf=${f##*_} mv $f $newf done You may want to add a test for the existence of the new file unless you're certain the extensions are unique. Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sandy at herring.org Fri Apr 26 00:46:13 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:46:13 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] rpm In-Reply-To: <200204251736.23536.cmize@loadzone.org>; from cmize@loadzone.org on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 05:36:23PM -0700 References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B138@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> <013b01c1ecb4$4764a090$9c0a10ac@tpcllp.com> <20020425173130.A28267@kippered.herring.org> <200204251736.23536.cmize@loadzone.org> Message-ID: <20020425174613.C28267@kippered.herring.org> Chuck, He also said, "I have a couple of packages that rpm a) lists as being installed and b) won't uninstall because the are not installed:". Sandy On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Chuck Mize wrote: > But he also said that rpm -qa | grep vnc successfully listed the packages > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -qa | grep vnc > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > On Thursday 25 April 2002 05:31 pm, Sandy Herring wrote: > > Chuck, > > > > The "cluestick" was in his original post... > > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > error: package vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > error: package vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > > > ...thus Mike's question about the difference. > > > > Sandy > > > > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Chuck Mize wrote: > > > As I understand it the command in between the ` ` will be run and the > > > output of that job will be used in the rpm -e command. He already said > > > that rpm -qa > > > > > > | grep vnc successfully displays the packages as installed so I thought > > > | it > > > > > > might it work to remove them. I could, of course, be completely wrong and > > > consequently be beaten senseless by the cluestick but that remains to be > > > seen. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 4:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] rpm > > > > > > > Huh? What would the difference be? > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:17:49PM -0700, Chuck Mize typed: > > > > > Try rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep vnc` > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Michael Rasmussen" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:40 PM > > > > > Subject: [PLUG] rpm > > > > > > > > > > > I have a couple of packages that rpm a) lists as being installed > > > > > > and > > > > > > b) > > > > > > > > > won't uninstall because the are not installed: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm --rebuilddb > > > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -qa | grep vnc > > > > > > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > > > > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > > > > vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > > > > error: package vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > > > > > error: package vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > > > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz > > > > Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity > > > > "They that give up essential liberty to obtain > > > > temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." > > > > -- Benjamin Franklin > > > > But keep in mind: > > > > I stood on the leading edge, > > > > The eastern seaboard at my feet. > > > > "Jump!" said Yoko Ono > > > > I'm too scared and good-looking, I cried. > > > > Go on and give it a try, > > > > Why prolong the agony, all men must die. > > > > -- Roger Waters, "The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking" > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The appropriate samba log for the user says "PAM: smb_pam_auth failed - rejecting user XXXX" Mike De La Mater mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 From xandy at linuxmail.org Fri Apr 26 00:54:02 2002 From: xandy at linuxmail.org (Andy Boyce) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:54:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] PGP key verification question Message-ID: <20020425175402.A3380@dendryte.localdomain> I wanted to make a test post, Please let me know if my pgp key checks out. If it wasn't for the [PLUG] list I still think I'd you have to fork out 300$ on the latest piece of Microcrap be able to send email. Thanks Andy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Kyle Accardi From mikeraz at patch.com Fri Apr 26 01:01:24 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz at patch.com) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:01:24 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] rpm In-Reply-To: <20020425174613.C28267@kippered.herring.org>; from sandy@herring.org on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 05:46:13PM -0700 References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B138@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> <013b01c1ecb4$4764a090$9c0a10ac@tpcllp.com> <20020425173130.A28267@kippered.herring.org> <200204251736.23536.cmize@loadzone.org> <20020425174613.C28267@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: <20020425180124.B16384@patch.com> Anyway, the reason that this is a problem is that when I try to do: lynx -source install.opennms.org | sh to install openNMS (which uses some sort of apt-get rpm installer) it bombs because of the listed multiple versions of vnc-doc. It would be nice to let opennms install itself. Looks like I'll need to fall back to the manual method. More importantly, being able to use the apt-like tool would be a GoodThing(tm). On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 05:46:13PM -0700, Sandy Herring typed: > Chuck, > > He also said, "I have a couple of packages that rpm a) lists as being installed > and b) won't uninstall because the are not installed:". > -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin But keep in mind: If you flaunt it, expect to have it trashed. From wcooley at nakedape.cc Fri Apr 26 01:04:55 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:04:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] PGP key verification question In-Reply-To: <20020425175402.A3380@dendryte.localdomain>; from xandy@linuxmail.org on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 05:54:02PM -0700 References: <20020425175402.A3380@dendryte.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020425180455.Z22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Andy Boyce on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 05:54:02PM PDT > I wanted to make a test post, Please let me know if my pgp key checks > out. If it wasn't for the [PLUG] list I still think I'd you have to > fork out 300$ on the latest piece of Microcrap be able to send email. It validated just fine for me. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Looks like I'll need > to fall back to the manual method. > > More importantly, being able to use the apt-like tool would be a > GoodThing(tm). You might just need to remove the multiple entries from the database with '--justdb'. Or you might need to rebuild the database with 'rpm --rebuilddb'. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Looks like I'll need > to fall back to the manual method. > > More importantly, being able to use the apt-like tool would be a > GoodThing(tm). Are you saying you tried the previous recommendation of omitting the version info and it still didn't work? ie. # rpm -e vnc-doc really should work. I get burned on this from time-to-time. It'd be nice if rpm recognized the entire name in these operations. -- Kyle Accardi From xandy at linuxmail.org Fri Apr 26 01:14:00 2002 From: xandy at linuxmail.org (Andy Boyce) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:14:00 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] PGP key verification question In-Reply-To: <3CC8A693.5030500@pacifier.com>; from sandbox@pacifier.com on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 06:00:03PM -0700 References: <20020425175402.A3380@dendryte.localdomain> <3CC8A693.5030500@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020425181400.A3675@dendryte.localdomain> not according to the sales staff at CompUSA, anyway I decide to try linux and am learning slowly. oops I meant my PGP signature cheers Andy * Kyle Accardi (sandbox at pacifier.com) wrote: > Andy Boyce wrote: > > > I wanted to make a test post, Please let me know if my pgp key checks out. > > If it wasn't for the [PLUG] list I still think I'd you have to fork out 300$ on the latest piece of Microcrap be able to send email. > > > > Thanks > > Andy > > > > > I don't see any key. > > BTW, the old Microcrap sends mail just fine, no need to upgrade if that's all you want. > > > Cheers, > Kyle Accardi > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It'd be nice if rpm recognized the > entire name in these operations. Yes, I did try that. It returns the interesting error "vnc-doc" specifies multiple packages Which, d'oh, is exactly what I'm trying to remove. Unfortunately, -e doesn't take --force as a companion. -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin But keep in mind: System/3! System/3! See how it runs! See how it runs! Its monitor loses so totally! It runs all its programs in RPG! It's made by our favorite monopoly! System/3! From ed at alcpress.com Fri Apr 26 01:20:55 2002 From: ed at alcpress.com (Ed Sawicki) Date: 25 Apr 2002 18:20:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] FreeBSD user group Message-ID: <1019784056.20445.344.camel@red> I read an email message yesterday, authored by a member of the local FreeBSD user group, that was hostile to Linux and Linux users. I thought we were all friendly. I have as high a regard for FreeBSD and FreeBSD users as I do for Linux. Yet, it seems there may be a war going on that nobody told me about. Is there general ill will between Linux and FreeBSD users or was this an aberration - someone having a bad day or getting upset that FreeBSD is not the household word that Linux is? Ed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From codeyeti at yahoo.com Fri Apr 26 01:41:31 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:41:31 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] FreeBSD user group References: <1019784056.20445.344.camel@red> Message-ID: <3CC8B04A.177DBB8@yahoo.com> FreeBSD users vary just like Linux users. But supposedly there is some rivalry because FreeBSD was here first but was held back because of the lawsuit from AT&T because originally FreeBSD was billed as being UNIX, UNIX being a licensed trademark of AT&T. Now it's a "UNIX workalike" just like Linux is. The real difference is that FreeBSD is "republican", where there are official developers and if you want to make a change, you submit a change request to the official parties that be. Linux is "anarcy", with every joe out there making their own changes. In reality, what happens is that Linux gets faster development and some things just might be in a different state of repair from time to time. Hence, BSD guys say it's shoddy code, poor presentation. FreeBSD is just rock-solid all the time, but it's frustrating to get the programs you want in any kind of reasonable manner. It's like the difference between Debian stable and unstable. Some *BSD advocates are jealous of the press that Linux is getting, because they were there first and they think *BSD is a better product. Linux guys are quick to point out that because of the BSD license, which allows you to take the source and close it for commercial ventures, BSD is just a tool for Microsoft to steal code from. There are parts of the WinXX code that still has the Copyright for the Regents of the University of California that nobody removed before they released it. And we won't even talk about what Apple's added to BSD to get OSX. True, they turned alot of Darwin, the "guts" back to the community, but the GUI (aqua) is still way proprietary. Not really a war, however, more like a "friendly" brotherly feud is how I would sum it up. --Mike Ed Sawicki wrote: > I read an email message yesterday, authored by a member of the local > FreeBSD user group, that was hostile to Linux and Linux users. I thought > we were all friendly. I have as high a regard for FreeBSD and FreeBSD > users as I do for Linux. Yet, it seems there may be a war going on that > nobody told me about. Is there general ill will between Linux and > FreeBSD users or was this an aberration - someone having a bad day or > getting upset that FreeBSD is not the household word that Linux is? > > Ed -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas *Fscking* Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From llywrch at agora.rdrop.com Fri Apr 26 01:43:50 2002 From: llywrch at agora.rdrop.com (Geoff Burling) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] KOIN Reports (Was: Micro$oft at it again.) Message-ID: Anyone else here saw the report on channel 6 about MS's audit of the local schools? It focussed on the Gresham school district, & the costs that school district faces in complying. It also stated that MS is willing to offer consultants at $100-- an hour to perform the audit. Riverdale School District was mentioned at the end as having migrated to the Lie-nux operating system. I got the impression that Phil Donnohue believes that Riverdale only runs Linux & uses no Microsoft products. (Note: I missed seeing this report, but I did hear it from the next room. Were any familiar names involved in this bit of publicity?) Geoff From seniorr at aracnet.com Fri Apr 26 01:52:10 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 25 Apr 2002 18:52:10 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] FreeBSD user group In-Reply-To: <1019784056.20445.344.camel@red> References: <1019784056.20445.344.camel@red> Message-ID: <86it6fns51.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Ed" == Ed Sawicki writes: Ed> I read an email message yesterday, authored by a member of the Ed> local FreeBSD user group, that was hostile to Linux and Linux Ed> users. I thought we were all friendly. I have as high a regard for Ed> FreeBSD and FreeBSD users as I do for Linux. Yet, it seems there Ed> may be a war going on that nobody told me about. Is there general Ed> ill will between Linux and FreeBSD users or was this an aberration Ed> - someone having a bad day or getting upset that FreeBSD is not Ed> the household word that Linux is? Let Debian be a force for healing: Debian/FreeBSD! ;-) -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From sandbox at pacifier.com Fri Apr 26 01:59:11 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:59:11 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] rpm References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B138@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> <013b01c1ecb4$4764a090$9c0a10ac@tpcllp.com> <20020425173130.A28267@kippered.herring.org> <200204251736.23536.cmize@loadzone.org> <20020425174613.C28267@kippered.herring.org> <20020425180124.B16384@patch.com> <3CC8A871.4030707@pacifier.com> <20020425181720.F16384@patch.com> Message-ID: <3CC8B46F.7040905@pacifier.com> mikeraz at patch.com wrote: > On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 06:08:01PM -0700, Kyle Accardi typed: >># rpm -e vnc-doc >>really should work. > Yes, I did try that. It returns the interesting error > > "vnc-doc" specifies multiple packages > > Which, d'oh, is exactly what I'm trying to remove. > > Unfortunately, -e doesn't take --force as a companion. Okay, I've never seen that. The package you mentioned vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 sounds strange. Was it installed on top of another vnc package? What is the "tight" part? Don't know what distro you're using, but I just freshened vnc to vnc-3.3.3r2-18.4 (RH7.2) just fine. Let us know if you're successful beating down rpm. Cheers, Kyle Accardi From sandy at herring.org Fri Apr 26 02:20:29 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:20:29 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] What I needed to know In-Reply-To: <20020425063631.83013.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com>; from aarghj@yahoo.com on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 11:36:31PM -0700 References: <20020424223633.D22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <20020425063631.83013.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020425192029.A29651@kippered.herring.org> On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, john morgali wrote: [...] > any followup from others would be appreciated. > :) As Wil pointed out, there are any number of web sites that are more digestible than the `man' pages, tldp being one, my techie page being another (see .sig). Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From russj at dimstar.net Fri Apr 26 02:29:09 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:29:09 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 In-Reply-To: <20020425134649.C2099@edge> References: <20020425132943.Q22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <20020425124202.A2099@edge> <20020425132943.Q22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020425192712.02a6f4b0@mail.localnet.dimstar.net> Where is that? Even my first 286 came with 1 meg of ram. I can't imagine a PII with less that 32 megs. I just did a search for "Refurbished Thinkpad" on google, and came up with a few hits, all had at least 128 megs. I assume that was a typo? At 01:46 PM 4/25/2002 -0700, you wrote: >The warranty is 3 months and the prices are around $550 for a >PII 300 with a 5GB hard drive and a 128k ram. More than >enough power for the things I do. The warranty is short, >but that seems reasonable for a refurbished machine. Russ Johnson Stargate Online http://www.dimstar.net telnet://telnet.dimstar.net ICQ: 3739685 A flashlight is a case for holding dead batteries. From wcooley at nakedape.cc Fri Apr 26 02:44:57 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:44:57 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] FreeBSD user group In-Reply-To: <1019784056.20445.344.camel@red>; from ed@alcpress.com on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 06:20:55PM -0700 References: <1019784056.20445.344.camel@red> Message-ID: <20020425194457.C22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Ed Sawicki on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 06:20:55PM PDT > I read an email message yesterday, authored by a member of the local > FreeBSD user group, that was hostile to Linux and Linux users. I thought > we were all friendly. I have as high a regard for FreeBSD and FreeBSD > users as I do for Linux. Yet, it seems there may be a war going on > that nobody told me about. Is there general ill will between Linux and > FreeBSD users or was this an aberration - someone having a bad day or > getting upset that FreeBSD is not the household word that Linux is? Oh yes, there's been a lot of animosity amoung the FreeBSD crowd towards the Linux crowd, for quite some time. (And the *BSD crowds in general.) Did you see that post here or was it somewhere else? I recently noticed a number of cross-posts to a local FreeBSD user group, but wasn't able to actually find the list. (The message to majordomo@ is sitting in my outgoing queue with 'User unknown'.) Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there general ill will between Linux and > > FreeBSD users or was this an aberration - someone having a bad day or > > getting upset that FreeBSD is not the household word that Linux is? > > Oh yes, there's been a lot of animosity amoung the FreeBSD crowd > towards the Linux crowd, for quite some time. (And the *BSD crowds > in general.) That's too bad. The operating systems are far more alike than they are different. > Did you see that post here or was it somewhere else? It's complicated and I don't know all the details. A message that announced PANUG's LinuxLive event (http://panug.org/linuxlive.html) this Saturday was sent to someone who placed it on on the FreeBSD list. Someone else on that list went into an anti-Linux tirade and a copy of that made it back to the person who sent the original announcement. > I recently noticed a number of cross-posts to a local FreeBSD user > group, but wasn't able to actually find the list. (The message to > majordomo@ is sitting in my outgoing queue with 'User unknown'.) > > Wil > -- > Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc > Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc > * Linux and Network Consulting * > irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From josh at emediatedesigns.com Fri Apr 26 03:17:21 2002 From: josh at emediatedesigns.com (Josh Orchard) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Virtual hosting IP and namebase In-Reply-To: <1019789833.22409.5.camel@red> References: <1019789833.22409.5.camel@red> Message-ID: <61721.216.99.218.67.1019791041.squirrel@sautez.dhs.org> Hello all, I have been virtually hosting for a few sites by using IP numbers. What I would like to know if I can continue to do that and add ones that do not have their own IP? So, for example.... hostname IP host1.com 123.123.123.123 host2.com 123.123.123.124 host3.com no IP but would resolve to 123.123.123.123 Then in Apache and proftp I could setup the hostname to resolve correctly. Question is what do I do with if they try to login with the IP? Can I stop that? Is there a way to only allow connections with the name? Can I do use postfix to have if do the multiple names as well without the IP or having them all go to the same IP? Just wondering if adding another name is going to cause problems because I currently have an IP for each hostname on the machine and the DNS record has that as well. Thanks for the help. Josh From brucek at kingkon.com Fri Apr 26 03:25:48 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:25:48 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] PGP key verification question In-Reply-To: <20020425175402.A3380@dendryte.localdomain>; from xandy@linuxmail.org on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 05:54:02PM -0700 References: <20020425175402.A3380@dendryte.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020425202548.G1477@defiant> Andy Boyce's Log: StarDate 0425.1754: > I wanted to make a test post, Please let me know if my pgp key checks out. > If it wasn't for the [PLUG] list I still think I'd you have to fork out 300$ on the latest piece of Microcrap be able to send email. > > Thanks > Andy Here's what I got: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:54:02 -0700 [-- PGP output follows (current time: Thu Apr 25 20:06:48 2002) --] gpg: Warning: using insecure memory! gpg: Signature made Thu 25 Apr 2002 05:54:02 PM PDT using DSA key ID F7BE5D23 gpg: requesting key F7BE5D23 from certserver.pgp.com ... gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. gpg: Total number processed: 0 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found [-- End of PGP output --] [-- The following data is signed --] I wanted to make a test post, Please let me know if my pgp key checks out. If it wasn't for the [PLUG] list I still think I'd you have to fork out 300$ on +the latest piece of Microcrap be able to send email. Thanks Andy [-- End of signed data --] Looks like you didn't post your public key. I think it's gpg-sendkeys keyserver certserver.pgp.com -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The transfer starts okay, but > after a while windows starts with > the cryptic, inaccurate messages, like "you may not > be able to access this file, do > you want to continue copying" followed by "file > already exists" which is impossible > and not true. > > The appropriate samba log for the user says "PAM: > smb_pam_auth failed - rejecting > user XXXX" > > Mike De La Mater > mikedela at ipns.com > 503-702-6749 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ===== -Brian Grell 'Clothes make the man, naked people have little or no influence on society' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From sharbours at yahoo.com Fri Apr 26 03:37:00 2002 From: sharbours at yahoo.com (Sean, Sharon and Kyle Harbour) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] XawTV problem - Can't tune away from 2nd audio channel In-Reply-To: <20020425202548.G1477@defiant> Message-ID: <20020426033700.95894.qmail@web14401.mail.yahoo.com> I've been using XawTV lately for watching cable TV. Somehow, the audio is tuned into the alternative audio channel (SAP), so on some channels I get either no sound or spanish, etc. My spanish is much worse than rusty, so does anybody know how I set the default audio channel to not use SAP? Thanks amigos! Sean Harbour --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A message that > announced PANUG's LinuxLive event (http://panug.org/linuxlive.html) this > Saturday was sent to someone who placed it on on the FreeBSD list. > Someone else on that list went into an anti-Linux tirade and a copy of > that made it back to the person who sent the original announcement. Interesting. May I inquire (respond privately if you want) who this person was? Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I use wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net and I got his key just fine. pgp.net and certserver.pgp.com must not be connected. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikedela at ipns.com Fri Apr 26 03:45:15 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:45:15 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Virtual hosting IP and namebase In-Reply-To: <61721.216.99.218.67.1019791041.squirrel@sautez.dhs.org> Message-ID: Sure, Josh. Just make the DNS point to the IP. 4/25/02 8:17:21 PM, "Josh Orchard" wrote: >Hello all, > >I have been virtually hosting for a few sites by using IP numbers. What I >would like to know if I can continue to do that and add ones that do not >have their own IP? > >So, for example.... > >hostname IP >host1.com 123.123.123.123 >host2.com 123.123.123.124 > >host3.com no IP but would resolve to 123.123.123.123 > >Then in Apache and proftp I could setup the hostname to resolve >correctly. > >Question is what do I do with if they try to login with the IP? Can I >stop that? Is there a way to only allow connections with the name? Can I >do use postfix to have if do the multiple names as well without the IP or >having them all go to the same IP? > >Just wondering if adding another name is going to cause problems because I >currently have an IP for each hostname on the machine and the DNS record >has that as well. > >Thanks for the help. > >Josh > > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ---------- Mike De La Mater Mike De La Mater Consulting mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 From josh at emediatedesigns.com Fri Apr 26 03:58:33 2002 From: josh at emediatedesigns.com (Josh Orchard) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Virtual hosting IP and namebase In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61842.216.99.218.67.1019793513.squirrel@sautez.dhs.org> Thanks. But what happens when the guy at host3.com looks up the IP and then tries to ftp to it? Will that be blocked? Can I block that? I wouldn't want that to work at all. Josh > Sure, Josh. Just make the DNS point to the IP. > > 4/25/02 8:17:21 PM, "Josh Orchard" wrote: > >>Hello all, >> >>I have been virtually hosting for a few sites by using IP numbers. >>What I would like to know if I can continue to do that and add ones >>that do not have their own IP? >> >>So, for example.... >> >>hostname IP >>host1.com 123.123.123.123 >>host2.com 123.123.123.124 >> >>host3.com no IP but would resolve to 123.123.123.123 >> >>Then in Apache and proftp I could setup the hostname to resolve >>correctly. >> >>Question is what do I do with if they try to login with the IP? Can I >>stop that? Is there a way to only allow connections with the name? >>Can I do use postfix to have if do the multiple names as well without >>the IP or having them all go to the same IP? >> >>Just wondering if adding another name is going to cause problems >>because I currently have an IP for each hostname on the machine and the >>DNS record has that as well. >> >>Thanks for the help. >> >>Josh >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PLUG mailing list >>PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >>http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > ---------- > Mike De La Mater > Mike De La Mater Consulting > mikedela at ipns.com > 503-702-6749 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From wcooley at nakedape.cc Fri Apr 26 04:07:05 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:07:05 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Virtual hosting IP and namebase In-Reply-To: <61842.216.99.218.67.1019793513.squirrel@sautez.dhs.org>; from josh@emediatedesigns.com on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 08:58:33PM -0700 References: <61842.216.99.218.67.1019793513.squirrel@sautez.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020425210705.H22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Josh Orchard on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 08:58:33PM PDT > Thanks. > > But what happens when the guy at host3.com looks up the IP and then tries > to ftp to it? Will that be blocked? Can I block that? I wouldn't want > that to work at all. No, you can't. TCP/IP doesn't work that way. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I use wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net > and I got his key just fine. pgp.net and certserver.pgp.com must > not be connected. > I thot if you posted to one, you got circulated to all. So, I just also posted to wwwkeys, and discovered the correct syntax: gpg --send-keys --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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NameVirtualHost 123.345.543.321 UseCanonicalName off ServerAdmin hostmaster at user1domain.com ServerName user1domain.com DocumentRoot /home/user1/www CustomLog /home/user1/logs/access.log combined ErrorLog /home/user1/logs/error.log UseCanonicalName off ServerAdmin webmaster at user2domain.com ServerName user2domain.com DocumentRoot /home/user2/www CustomLog /home/user2/logs/access.log combined ErrorLog /home/user2/logs/error.log Add your other stuff like you always would. If someone uses the IP (123.345.543.321), they would land at user1domain.com. I don't know if there's a limit to how many name-based domains that can share a single IP, but certainly you can do a couple of hundred with no problem. Initially, I had trouble getting name-based to work. The key, for reasons I have no idea, was to add the line: UseCanonicalName off Then everything worked. One way to do the DNS would be to CNAME www.user2domain.com to user1domain.com and have an A record for user1domain.com defined with the IP address 123.345.543.321. Hope this is what you were looking for. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Day Tooley day at webfooters.com http://www.webfooters.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Orchard" To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:17 PM Subject: [PLUG] Virtual hosting IP and namebase > Hello all, > > I have been virtually hosting for a few sites by using IP numbers. What I > would like to know if I can continue to do that and add ones that do not > have their own IP? > > So, for example.... > > hostname IP > host1.com 123.123.123.123 > host2.com 123.123.123.124 > > host3.com no IP but would resolve to 123.123.123.123 > > Then in Apache and proftp I could setup the hostname to resolve > correctly. > > Question is what do I do with if they try to login with the IP? Can I > stop that? Is there a way to only allow connections with the name? Can I > do use postfix to have if do the multiple names as well without the IP or > having them all go to the same IP? > > Just wondering if adding another name is going to cause problems because I > currently have an IP for each hostname on the machine and the DNS record > has that as well. > > Thanks for the help. > > Josh From wcooley at nakedape.cc Fri Apr 26 04:49:26 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:49:26 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] PGP key verification question In-Reply-To: <20020425213655.H1477@defiant>; from brucek@kingkon.com on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 09:36:55PM -0700 References: <20020425175402.A3380@dendryte.localdomain> <20020425202548.G1477@defiant> <20020425204110.E22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <20020425213655.H1477@defiant> Message-ID: <20020425214926.I22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Bruce Kingsland on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 09:36:55PM PDT > > I thot if you posted to one, you got circulated to all. Well, so did I. That's why I didn't understand why I couldn't get yours. > So, I just also posted to wwwkeys, and discovered the correct syntax: > > gpg --send-keys --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net That worked; I've got your key now. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Thu Apr 25 21:56:05 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (D. Cooper Stevenson) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:56:05 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] RE: Just a tiny bit of MS audit info from the schools Message-ID: <20020425145605.B517@linux-enterprise.net> All; I generally don't lash out like this, but this audit thing really upsets me; I don't think third grade school teachers are criminals. I have written several school administrators in my area letting them know that they have my full support. I have also listened to my group and I can tell you that my guys are on the ready to give their support also. Personally, I cannot tell you how many good memories I take from my schooling years and am very greatfull for all the teachers in my life who have taught me to "sit up straight and fly right." --Even when they were not so nice about it. I want to let you guys know that you have the full support of our group should we need to execute a full-scale roll-out in the future. I have been deploying systems for a long time and I know how to do it efficiently. I also know how to listen to intructions when others (in this case perhaps LTSP) know more than I. If I have to use my vacation time to do this then that's exactly what I will do. -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper.stevenson at wahchang.com UNIX Administrator |PH: (541)791-1322 Telledyne Wah Chang |FAX: (541)924-6895 ------------------------------------------------------ From bill at coho.net Fri Apr 26 04:17:56 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The least commonly used sentence in the English language::Was:Re: [PLUG] FreeBSD user group In-Reply-To: <86it6fns51.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: I betcha nobody has ever used this sentence before: > Let Debian be a force for healing! > > > ;-) > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 26 05:26:21 2002 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] RE: Just a tiny bit of MS audit info from the schools In-Reply-To: <20020425145605.B517@linux-enterprise.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, D. Cooper Stevenson wrote: >All; > >I generally don't lash out like this, but this audit thing really upsets me; I don't think third grade school teachers are criminals. Well you all can relax a little bit. We had a huge meeting with Microsoft today. They have made huge "clarifications" which mitigate the impact on schools. The audit deadline has officially been significantly extended and there are discussions to pushing it out even further. The immediate impacts have been softened, everyone has time to catch their breath and think this through. Thanks again for the support. It has made a huge difference already. Much good will come out of this little snafu. -Eric From greg at maneuveringspeed.com Fri Apr 26 05:32:12 2002 From: greg at maneuveringspeed.com (Greg Long) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:32:12 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Klamath Linux Unix Group - KLUG, Anyone? Message-ID: <005501c1ece3$b7e62850$6401a8c0@endeavor> In Klamath Falls, because OIT's main campus is here, we have a number of CSET/HWET and other computer major students. The focus at OIT is definitely Microsoft - and I might add this is a good thing - since we are an applied technology school and that's where the market is. It is not all pure Microsoft by any means, there is a lot of general computer science, and if you telnet in, you're on a nix box of some sort (I'm not sure) Having said that, I would really like to see more cross-platform, particularly Linux and Unix exposure. If I can find a half a dozen people down here that think this is a good idea who as a minimum can install and somewhat use one distro or another, we'll try to start a group. Is there anyone who would be interested in helping out from up there, just being on the mailing list and offering their two cents, that would be awesome. Please drop me a line. Greg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wcooley at nakedape.cc Fri Apr 26 05:37:15 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:37:15 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] RE: Just a tiny bit of MS audit info from the schools In-Reply-To: ; from eharrison@mail.mesd.k12.or.us on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 10:26:21PM -0700 References: <20020425145605.B517@linux-enterprise.net> Message-ID: <20020425223715.J22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Eric Harrison on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 10:26:21PM PDT > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, D. Cooper Stevenson wrote: > > >All; > > > >I generally don't lash out like this, but this audit thing really upsets me; I don't think third grade school teachers are criminals. > > Well you all can relax a little bit. > > > We had a huge meeting with Microsoft today. They have made huge > "clarifications" which mitigate the impact on schools. The audit deadline > has officially been significantly extended and there are discussions to > pushing it out even further. > > The immediate impacts have been softened, everyone has time to catch their > breath and think this through. > > Thanks again for the support. It has made a huge difference already. > Much good will come out of this little snafu. Sounds like that means we've got just a little longer to convert everyone to using Linux ;) Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikedela at ipns.com Fri Apr 26 05:39:36 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:39:36 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Klamath Linux Unix Group - KLUG, Anyone? In-Reply-To: <005501c1ece3$b7e62850$6401a8c0@endeavor> Message-ID: We'll harass anyone, no matter how far away they are. My dad went to OTI in the 50's. I get down there a couple of times a year, I have family in Myrtle Creek, Tri-Cities and Riddle. All thriving metroplexes. Have fun and don't hurt anyone. Mike 4/25/02 10:32:12 PM, "Greg Long" wrote: > > > From: "Greg Long" > > To: "PLUG" > Subject:[PLUG] Klamath Linux Unix Group - KLUG, Anyone? > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:32:12 -0700 > > > > In Klamath Falls, because OIT's main campus is here, we have a number of > CSET/HWET and other computer major students. The focus at OIT is definitely > Microsoft - and I might add this is a good thing - since we are an applied > technology school and that's where the market is. It is not all pure > Microsoft by any means, there is a lot of general computer science, and if > you telnet in, you're on a nix box of some sort (I'm not sure) > > Having said that, I would really like to see more cross-platform, > particularly Linux and Unix exposure. If I can find a half a dozen people > down here that think this is a good idea who as a minimum can install and > somewhat use one distro or another, we'll try to start a group. > > Is there anyone who would be interested in helping out from up there, just > being on the mailing list and offering their two cents, that would be > awesome. Please drop me a line. > > > Greg > > ---------- Mike De La Mater Mike De La Mater Consulting mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 From revans at e-z.net Fri Apr 26 06:00:01 2002 From: revans at e-z.net (Russell Evans) Date: 25 Apr 2002 23:00:01 PDT Subject: [PLUG] Rename script Message-ID: <20020426055738.CKAI20384.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@downtown> I know this has been answered, but I was wondering if this works with other shells besides Bash? for i in * ; do mv "$i" ${i##*_} ; done Thank you Russell On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:06:34 -0700, Michael Montagne said: > I need a shell script to rename many files. The files names look like: > "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S607.tif" and > "N Clackamas Conformance Vol 2 01-18-00_S608.tif". > I want to strip the prefix and just have S607.tif and S608.tif. > I think the prefixes are all the same. > For sure they all have an underscore preceding the part that I want. > The easy part is that they are all in the same directory. > > From revans at e-z.net Fri Apr 26 06:16:09 2002 From: revans at e-z.net (Russell Evans) Date: 25 Apr 2002 23:16:09 PDT Subject: [PLUG] What I needed to know In-Reply-To: <20020425063631.83013.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020425063631.83013.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020426061346.CGRH25242.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@downtown> Is xman installed in the default system of most distributions? Is /usr/share/doc/ stuffed with the documents that come with the packages, a default also? I haven't used any other distributions but the one I use for a few years, so I'm really out of touch with any communalities Thank you Russell On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:36:31 -0700 (PDT), john morgali said: > Yes indeed. that is the documentation server, nice > easy to read documentation. starts with headings, > like administration, getting started, basic use, > advanced use, opening and closing programs, etc. > problem is, everyone says read the man pages. > well, if I am completely unfamiliar with linux/unix, > and don't know that I want said program to do said > operation, then I don't know that I need to type man > said program. see my point? anyway, I do appreciate > From seniorr at aracnet.com Fri Apr 26 06:46:22 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 25 Apr 2002 23:46:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household In-Reply-To: <864ri7jkru.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> References: <864ri7jkru.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <86k7qvufcx.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Russell" == Russell Senior writes: Russell> Just my little anecdote, I've got an Olympus 460Z, which Russell> comes with a serial cable (not USB). It took close to 1 hour Russell> to download about 100 SHQ (I think) images using the serial Russell> cable (about 30 meg). Just that download operation would Russell> just about toast a set of 4 alkaline AA's. So: a) get Russell> rechargables; b) get some kind of media reader; and/or c) get Russell> a camera that has a USB (or other high-speed) interface Russell> built-in that works with your OS of choice. I went with b) Russell> and am working on a). Just wanted to report that I finally got around to plugging in the USB flash/smartmedia reader into my linux box and it works like a charm. I got this at the first of the year, a store brand out at ChumpUSA, for $29. I haven't tried hotplugging it yet, although at the rate my Abit VP6 is freezing, it probably couldn't hurt anything. Has anyone else had a borked VP6? Worked great for 10 months, but the last few weeks have been so chock full of freezes you could start to believe GWB had this whole global warming thing right after all. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From tomast at easystreet.com Fri Apr 26 07:10:08 2002 From: tomast at easystreet.com (TT) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:10:08 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ssh and ipfwadm question Message-ID: <20020426001008.A9339@boxer> For some time now I had the firewall quite open and I was able to ssh into my internal network. But now recently I have close it down quite a bit to keep my computers a bit more safe. The problem I'm facing is that I'm not able to ssh into my internal network anymore. So I'm wondering if anybody out there knows how to setup the rules to allow me to do this. And to add the trouble I'm using the "ipfwadm" rules. Kernel 2.0 internal ssh(22) |------ external -------| | eth0(22)|------ eth1 | |------ --------| |------- |------ |------ I want to ssh through my firewall and to my internal machine. Anybody got some good rules to do this? Thanks, TT From galens at seitzassoc.com Fri Apr 26 07:25:57 2002 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:25:57 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] ssh and ipfwadm question In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:10:08 PDT." <20020426001008.A9339@boxer> Message-ID: <200204260725.g3Q7PvP13854@tinman.seitzassoc.com> > > The problem I'm facing is that I'm not able to ssh into my > internal network anymore. So I'm wondering if anybody out there > knows how to setup the rules to allow me to do this. > > And to add the trouble I'm using the "ipfwadm" rules. > Kernel 2.0 > > internal ssh(22) > |------ > external -------| | > eth0(22)|------ eth1 | |------ > --------| |------- > |------ |------ > > > I want to ssh through my firewall and to my internal machine. > Here's what I use. galen # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Forward ssh connections to the sshd machine # Allow inbound ssh ipchains -A input -i $OUTSIDE_DEV -p tcp \ -s $ANYWHERE \ -d $OUTSIDE_IP ssh -j ACCEPT ipchains -A output -i $OUTSIDE_DEV -p tcp ! -y \ -s $OUTSIDE_IP ssh \ -d $ANYWHERE -t 0x01 0x10 -j ACCEPT if [ $INTERNAL_SSHD_IP ]; then echo "Forwarding inbound ssh to $INTERNAL_SSHD_IP" # forward inbound ssh connections to the internal ssh server ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L $OUTSIDE_IP ssh -R $INTERNAL_SSHD_IP ssh fi # Allow outbound ssh ipchains -A input -i $OUTSIDE_DEV -p tcp ! -y \ -s $ANYWHERE ssh \ -d $OUTSIDE_IP -j ACCEPT ipchains -A output -i $OUTSIDE_DEV -p tcp \ -s $OUTSIDE_IP \ -d $ANYWHERE ssh -t 0x01 0x10 -j ACCEPT From josh at emediatedesigns.com Fri Apr 26 09:17:40 2002 From: josh at emediatedesigns.com (Josh Orchard) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 02:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Virtual hosting IP and namebase In-Reply-To: <005201c1ecdd$5d087f10$e867a1d0@webfooters> References: <005201c1ecdd$5d087f10$e867a1d0@webfooters> Message-ID: <3806.216.58.209.210.1019812660.squirrel@sautez.dhs.org> Thank you. This will solve the issue with the apache server. I can put them in order and if they use the ip number then I can have the default go to a main page of a generic page. Now I just need to see if proftp has this same ability. I think it does but I really don't know. I guess ssh will have the same limitation but that isn't so bad as they have to have a user account. Is there a way to limit who can ssh into a box? That would work. Thanks for all the answers everyone. I see this will not be so difficult. Minus the fact that I think I'll have to add a DNS server to my box also. That is just to give me more control and flexibility. Josh > In your httpd.conf file, you would follow the IP defined host with the > name-based hosts. > > NameVirtualHost 123.345.543.321 > > > UseCanonicalName off > ServerAdmin hostmaster at user1domain.com > ServerName user1domain.com > DocumentRoot /home/user1/www > CustomLog /home/user1/logs/access.log combined > ErrorLog /home/user1/logs/error.log > > > > > > UseCanonicalName off > ServerAdmin webmaster at user2domain.com > ServerName user2domain.com > DocumentRoot /home/user2/www > CustomLog /home/user2/logs/access.log combined > ErrorLog /home/user2/logs/error.log > > > > Add your other stuff like you always would. > > If someone uses the IP (123.345.543.321), they would land at > user1domain.com. > > I don't know if there's a limit to how many name-based domains that can > share a single IP, but certainly you can do a couple of hundred with no > problem. > > Initially, I had trouble getting name-based to work. The key, for > reasons I have no idea, was to add the line: > UseCanonicalName off > Then everything worked. > > One way to do the DNS would be to CNAME www.user2domain.com to > user1domain.com > and have an A record for user1domain.com defined with the IP address > 123.345.543.321. > > Hope this is what you were looking for. > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > Day Tooley > day at webfooters.com > http://www.webfooters.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josh Orchard" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:17 PM > Subject: [PLUG] Virtual hosting IP and namebase > > >> Hello all, >> >> I have been virtually hosting for a few sites by using IP numbers. >> What I would like to know if I can continue to do that and add ones >> that do not have their own IP? >> >> So, for example.... >> >> hostname IP >> host1.com 123.123.123.123 >> host2.com 123.123.123.124 >> >> host3.com no IP but would resolve to 123.123.123.123 >> >> Then in Apache and proftp I could setup the hostname to resolve >> correctly. >> >> Question is what do I do with if they try to login with the IP? Can I >> stop that? Is there a way to only allow connections with the name? >> Can I do use postfix to have if do the multiple names as well without >> the IP or having them all go to the same IP? >> >> Just wondering if adding another name is going to cause problems >> because I currently have an IP for each hostname on the machine and >> the DNS record has that as well. >> >> Thanks for the help. >> >> Josh > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From heinlein at attbi.com Fri Apr 26 13:12:52 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 06:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] rpm In-Reply-To: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B138@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -qa | grep vnc > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > error: package vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > error: package vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > [root at cmc02020 bin]# I realize I'm jumping into this discussion a bit late, but here are a few scattershot suggestions... a. Have you tried single-quoting the rpm name/number? I just wonder if the shell or rpm is doing odd things with the + character. rpm -e 'vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1' b. What does file-list query report? rpm -ql vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 c. Do you see anything odd or instructive if you run rpm in ultra-verbose mode? rpm -e -vv vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 d. Have you tried the 'allmatches' option? rpm -e -vv --allmatches vnc-doc --Paul Heinlein From pjwdougf at teleport.com Fri Apr 26 13:18:57 2002 From: pjwdougf at teleport.com (Doug and Patty Jo Foley) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 06:18:57 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Opinion from a teacher In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am new to the list. I am pondering Linux for my home computer. I am enjoying reading and learning from all of you. I can't speak for any school district at large, but I suspect they would embrace your help. They do not know that you are a resource and that you are so willing to participate. I also believe that many smaller districts do not have an IT department. It is probably something that was eliminated with the many budget cuts recently. This is one of the reasons the Microsoft audit is so challenging for schools--we are badly understaffed. Another thought is the Apple hardware. Early in the technology dance Apple was the system of choice because they convinced educators they would offer more educational software. Many districts embraced Apple and many solely use Apple. I have wondered if this might be a reason Microsoft is conducting this audit--to scout out the quantity of Apples still in use? PCs are often the exception, not the rule in most buildings. Our school does not have glitzy computers or up to date software. We are struggling to keep adequate supplies, purchase books, heat the building and pay staff. The district (Beaverton) has made 70+ million dollars in cuts over the past 8 years while enjoying a 30% population growth. Our audits with Microsoft is only one of our problems. My teaching assignment is in a school heavily impacted by poverty. About 50% of the families are living below the poverty line, 30% will move before the end of the year and over half of them do not speak English as their first language. (I think the number is 80%, but I can't remember) In most of the families at this school the parents are struggling to stay alive in a new country. For them it means working more than one job and often sharing living quarters with others. For us at the building level, we do not have a great number of parents who can come to school as volunteers, fund raise for new technology equipment, take field trips etc. I believe that schools such as this would welcome any assistance! I would be happy to be involved with what you are proposing. Please let me know how I can help. Patty Foley From mikeraz at patch.com Fri Apr 26 13:53:22 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz at patch.com) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 06:53:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] PGP key verification question In-Reply-To: <20020425214926.I22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv>; from wcooley@nakedape.cc on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 09:49:26PM -0700 References: <20020425175402.A3380@dendryte.localdomain> <20020425202548.G1477@defiant> <20020425204110.E22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <20020425213655.H1477@defiant> <20020425214926.I22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <20020426065322.D21770@patch.com> On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 09:49:26PM -0700, Wil Cooley typed: > Also Sprach Bruce Kingsland on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 09:36:55PM PDT > > > > I thot if you posted to one, you got circulated to all. > > Well, so did I. That's why I didn't understand why I > couldn't get yours. Bear in mind that you can specify multiple keyservers in ~/.gnupg/options. Now I'm getting more verifications. -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin But keep in mind: The road to ruin is always in good repair, and the travellers pay the expense of it. -- Josh Billings From mikeraz at patch.com Fri Apr 26 14:11:05 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz at patch.com) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:11:05 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] rpm In-Reply-To: ; from heinlein@attbi.com on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 06:12:52AM -0700 References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B138@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: <20020426071105.E21770@patch.com> ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding We have a winner! Let's give Contestant Paul a big hand! Details follow... On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 06:12:52AM -0700, Paul Heinlein typed: > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -qa | grep vnc > > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > error: package vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# rpm -e vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 > > error: package vnc-doc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1 is not installed > > [root at cmc02020 bin]# > > I realize I'm jumping into this discussion a bit late, but here are a > few scattershot suggestions... > > a. Have you tried single-quoting the rpm name/number? I just wonder if > the shell or rpm is doing odd things with the + character. > > rpm -e 'vnc-server-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.2-1' Same result > [... more of same result] > > d. Have you tried the 'allmatches' option? > > rpm -e -vv --allmatches vnc-doc > Huh? What? That's not mentioned in the online version of Maximum RPM, in the section about 'Additional options to -e' see: http://www.redhat.com/docs/books/max-rpm/max-rpm-html/s1-rpm-erase-additional-options.html But now that you mention it, if I take the time to `man rpm`, instead of running all over the Internet to find my documentation there --allmatches is, right in the summary at the top. So much for man pages being out of date. -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin But keep in mind: Do you think that when they asked George Washington for ID that he just whipped out a quarter? -- Steven Wright From xandy at linuxmail.org Fri Apr 26 14:34:52 2002 From: xandy at linuxmail.org (Andy Boyce) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:34:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] XawTV problem - Can't tune away from 2nd audio channel In-Reply-To: <20020426033700.95894.qmail@web14401.mail.yahoo.com>; from sharbours@yahoo.com on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 08:37:00PM -0700 References: <20020425202548.G1477@defiant> <20020426033700.95894.qmail@web14401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020426073452.A4784@dendryte.localdomain> I'm not certian if this will work for you but try putting audio = mono | stereo | lang1 | lang2 in your .xawtv to set the audio mode for the given channel. just out of curiosity what tv card are you using? Andy * Sean, Sharon and Kyle Harbour (sharbours at yahoo.com) wrote: > > I've been using XawTV lately for watching cable TV. Somehow, the audio is tuned into the alternative audio channel (SAP), so on some channels I get either no sound or spanish, etc. My spanish is much worse than rusty, so does anybody know how I set the default audio channel to not use SAP? > Thanks amigos! > Sean Harbour > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Fri Apr 26 14:21:48 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:21:48 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] RE: Just a tiny bit of MS audit info from the schools In-Reply-To: <20020425223715.J22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: Exactly. No one should be fooled into thinking that MS is being nice here. I guarantee you they have seen our responses, and a big reason for their delays is to kill our urgency which removes some of our motivation. We have to stay on this and not back down. >Sounds like that means we've got just a little longer to convert >everyone to using Linux ;) > >Wil >-- >Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc >Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc > * Linux and Network Consulting * >irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs From prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com Fri Apr 26 15:39:03 2002 From: prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com (Preston Crawford) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] RE: Just a tiny bit of MS audit info from the schools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, sendai wrote: > Exactly. No one should be fooled into thinking that MS is being nice here. > I guarantee you they have seen our responses, and a big reason for their > delays is to kill our urgency which removes some of our motivation. We have > to stay on this and not back down. The key being to not back down from offering an alternative. I agree with others, that you don't want to over-eagerly force something on the school. There are legitimate reasons, though, to make the switch on MOST computers. Not all, but most. And I think we should most definitely press ahead as vigorously, but organized. Find out what the schools want, find out what we can offer and present it to them in an organized professional manner. Preston From sharbours at yahoo.com Fri Apr 26 16:14:41 2002 From: sharbours at yahoo.com (Sean, Sharon and Kyle Harbour) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] XawTV problem In-Reply-To: <20020426073452.A4784@dendryte.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020426161441.56499.qmail@web14407.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, I'll give it a try tonight. I bought an Avermedia AverTV Stereo for about $50.00 last month. Seems to work fine under Mandrake 8.2. I've been using it to rip VHS home movie tapes to mpeg1 using mp1e with fair success. A 2.3 Mb datarate looks decent at 320x240, eats up about a gig an hour, and averages about 20% CPU, with lows of 8% and highs of 48% on a 1200 Athlon. I've been trying it out as a PVR, and it seems to work fairly well. For some reason I can't schedule it to record using /etc/crontab, but using at works. Using crontab it just creates a zero length file and quits. Now I just need a nice web front end for it that supports our local channel lineup. I've been trying some of the front end projects out there, but nothing decent yet. Sean Harbour --- Andy Boyce wrote: > I'm not certian if this will work for you but try putting > audio = mono | stereo | lang1 | lang2 > in your .xawtv to set the audio mode for the given channel. > just out of curiosity what tv card are you using? > > Andy > * Sean, Sharon and Kyle Harbour (sharbours at yahoo.com) wrote: > > > > I've been using XawTV lately for watching cable TV. Somehow, the > audio is tuned into the alternative audio channel (SAP), so on some > channels I get either no sound or spanish, etc. My spanish is much > worse than rusty, so does anybody know how I set the default audio > channel to not use SAP? > > Thanks amigos! > > Sean Harbour __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From rseymour at spamcop.net Fri Apr 26 16:36:53 2002 From: rseymour at spamcop.net (Richard F Seymour) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:36:53 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] GIANT font problem Message-ID: <3CC98225.7040804@spamcop.net> Installed debian woody on my laptop and got mozilla running. Quite happy. Then I did a few things. Most notably, I installed evolution and tried to get it working. That brought in a bunch of gnome related stuff. Then, I started mozilla and something has gone very wrong. I have BIG fonts. I mean really BIG fonts. I mean, if I maximize the window to fill my 1024x768 screen, I can see the top 2/3 of the letters "Fil" from the "File" prompt on the menu, and that's all that fits on the screen. Any ideas? Seems to only affect mozilla -- both mail and browser. -- Lions, and tigers, and bears! Oh, my! ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Richard Seymour, the Man Behind the Curtain CHEEP GEEKS Anarchy Software FREE GEEK From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Fri Apr 26 09:40:17 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (D. Cooper Stevenson) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 02:40:17 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Of Software and Ecosystems Message-ID: <20020426024017.A1102@linux-enterprise.net> All; If Microsoft's theory of the "Software Ecosystem" is correct (the idea that a benevolent software maker gives back in the form of taxes and charity), then why were they threatening an audit to the school districts instead of helping them? -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper.stevenson at wahchang.com UNIX Administrator |PH: (541)791-1322 Telledyne Wah Chang |FAX: (541)924-6895 ------------------------------------------------------ From tjg at craigelachie.org Fri Apr 26 16:54:36 2002 From: tjg at craigelachie.org (Timothy Grant) Date: 26 Apr 2002 09:54:36 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] CUPS question... In-Reply-To: <3CC87DEB.7060506@parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1019756308.846.4.camel@reepicheep> <20020425105001.K22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <3CC87DEB.7060506@parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1019840077.7085.5.camel@reepicheep> On Thu, 2002-04-25 at 15:06, Dan Young wrote: > The package that provides alternatives is chkconfig in the skipjack > beta. Here's the RPM: > > ftp://limestone.uoregon.edu/redhat/beta/skipjack/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/chkconfig-1.3.4-1.i386.rpm > Thanks much for the link. Big help. -- Stand Fast, tjg. Timothy Grant www.craigelachie.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Do you have multiple lines of 'keyserver' or multiple servers listed on one line? Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wcooley at nakedape.cc Fri Apr 26 17:01:56 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:01:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] CUPS question... In-Reply-To: <1019840077.7085.5.camel@reepicheep>; from tjg@craigelachie.org on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 09:54:36AM -0700 References: <1019756308.846.4.camel@reepicheep> <20020425105001.K22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <3CC87DEB.7060506@parkrose.k12.or.us> <1019840077.7085.5.camel@reepicheep> Message-ID: <20020426100156.L22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Timothy Grant on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 09:54:36AM PDT > On Thu, 2002-04-25 at 15:06, Dan Young wrote: > > The package that provides alternatives is chkconfig in the skipjack > > beta. Here's the RPM: > > > > ftp://limestone.uoregon.edu/redhat/beta/skipjack/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/chkconfig-1.3.4-1.i386.rpm > > > > Thanks much for the link. Big help. Sorry I only told you to look in the ftp archive; I thought it was a separate package. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Fri Apr 26 10:09:30 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (D. Cooper Stevenson) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:09:30 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Of Software and Ecosystems In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 10:01:41AM -0700 References: <20020426024017.A1102@linux-enterprise.net> Message-ID: <20020426030930.A1240@linux-enterprise.net> Rich; > Please do not prostitute the words "ecosystem" and "ecology" by > mis-applying them to business. In this country even a malevolent software > maker gives "back" in taxes and charity to the extent that they cannot avoid > them or find them to be beneficial to their businesses and profits. I didn't. Microsoft did. -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper.stevenson at wahchang.com UNIX Administrator |PH: (541)791-1322 Telledyne Wah Chang |FAX: (541)924-6895 ------------------------------------------------------ From rddunlap at osdl.org Fri Apr 26 17:08:09 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] [OT] LAN behind DSL Message-ID: Hi, At home I have 3 computers connected to a LinkSys BEFSR41 cable/DSL router with 4-port switch. like so: +----- A | DSL "modem" ----- LinkSys box --+----- B | +----- C A, B, and C can't communicate directly with each other (i.e., on a LAN). (except via SMTP :) Is this due to a LinkSys configuration that I can modify? If not, what do I need to do to enable A, B, and C to be on a LAN and still have DSL network access? Thanks, -- ~Randy From heinlein at attbi.com Fri Apr 26 17:18:14 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Of Software and Ecosystems In-Reply-To: <20020426024017.A1102@linux-enterprise.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, D. Cooper Stevenson wrote: > If Microsoft's theory of the "Software Ecosystem" is correct (the > idea that a benevolent software maker gives back in the form of > taxes and charity), then why were they threatening an audit to the > school districts instead of helping them? The basic operating algorithm at Microsoft is simple: Microsoft exists to serve its shareholders, not those who purchase its products and services. Of course, that's true at some level for all publicly traded companies, but the officers of most companies seem to understand at some level that 'customer service' means providing products that make life easier for paying customers. IOW, there's a rough equilibrium between 'paying' and 'customers.' Microsoft's execs, on the other hand, baldly equate 'innovation,' 'customer service,' and the like with maximizing profits. For them, the emphasis on 'paying customers' is completely on the 'paying.' --Paul Heinlein From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Fri Apr 26 10:20:28 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (D. Cooper Stevenson) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:20:28 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] [OT] LAN behind DSL In-Reply-To: ; from rddunlap@osdl.org on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 10:08:09AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020426032028.A1292@linux-enterprise.net> Randy; > At home I have 3 computers connected to a LinkSys BEFSR41 > cable/DSL router with 4-port switch. Can A, B, and C ping each other? -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper.stevenson at wahchang.com UNIX Administrator |PH: (541)791-1322 Telledyne Wah Chang |FAX: (541)924-6895 ------------------------------------------------------ From rddunlap at osdl.org Fri Apr 26 17:18:33 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] [OT] LAN behind DSL In-Reply-To: <20020426032028.A1292@linux-enterprise.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, D. Cooper Stevenson wrote: | Randy; | | > At home I have 3 computers connected to a LinkSys BEFSR41 | > cable/DSL router with 4-port switch. | | Can A, B, and C ping each other? Not in my limited testing. -- ~Randy From bhoran at hexdev.com Fri Apr 26 17:44:08 2002 From: bhoran at hexdev.com (Brian Horan) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:44:08 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] [OT] LAN behind DSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have the 8 port version of the same switch....in the ''advanced'' settings you should be able to configure the boxes to see each other and use the DSL pipe... what OS's are you running on the various boxes? (i can help with *NIX/Linux/Win) Are your routes set correctly for the LAN/Internet on the computers? Are they dhcp'd? -Brian On Friday 26 April 2002 01:08 pm, you wrote: > Hi, > > At home I have 3 computers connected to a LinkSys BEFSR41 > cable/DSL router with 4-port switch. > > like so: > > +----- A > > DSL "modem" ----- LinkSys box --+----- B > > +----- C > > A, B, and C can't communicate directly with each other (i.e., > on a LAN). (except via SMTP :) > > Is this due to a LinkSys configuration that I can modify? > If not, what do I need to do to enable A, B, and C to be on > a LAN and still have DSL network access? > > Thanks, -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com From jeff at jhenshaw.com Fri Apr 26 17:29:41 2002 From: jeff at jhenshaw.com (Jeff A. Henshaw) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:29:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household References: <864ri7jkru.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <86k7qvufcx.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <003601c1ed47$f2d21640$0400a8c0@dslonly.net> > > Has anyone else had a borked VP6? Worked great for 10 months, but the > last few weeks have been so chock full of freezes you could start to > believe GWB had this whole global warming thing right after all. > Russell You might browse around bp6.com if you haven't already. From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Fri Apr 26 10:28:52 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (D. Cooper Stevenson) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:28:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] [OT] LAN behind DSL In-Reply-To: ; from rddunlap@osdl.org on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 10:18:33AM -0700 References: <20020426032028.A1292@linux-enterprise.net> Message-ID: <20020426032852.A1346@linux-enterprise.net> Randy; > Not in my limited testing. Can you send the output of 'ifconfig' from A, B, and C to the list? -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper.stevenson at wahchang.com UNIX Administrator |PH: (541)791-1322 Telledyne Wah Chang |FAX: (541)924-6895 ------------------------------------------------------ From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Apr 26 17:31:02 2002 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:31:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] CUPS question... References: <1019756308.846.4.camel@reepicheep> <20020425105001.K22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <3CC87DEB.7060506@parkrose.k12.or.us> <1019840077.7085.5.camel@reepicheep> <20020426100156.L22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <3CC98ED6.6080502@parkrose.k12.or.us> Wil Cooley wrote: > Also Sprach Timothy Grant on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 09:54:36AM PDT > >>On Thu, 2002-04-25 at 15:06, Dan Young wrote: >> >>>The package that provides alternatives is chkconfig in the skipjack >>>beta. Here's the RPM: >>> >>>ftp://limestone.uoregon.edu/redhat/beta/skipjack/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/chkconfig-1.3.4-1.i386.rpm >>> >> >>Thanks much for the link. Big help. > > > Sorry I only told you to look in the ftp archive; I thought > it was a separate package. > > Wil I initially did also. I just did: rpm -qf /usr/bin/alternatives to get back the package that provides the file. -Dan Young From mcintoshrt at attbi.com Fri Apr 26 17:37:12 2002 From: mcintoshrt at attbi.com (Robert McIntosh) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:37:12 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] [OT] LAN behind DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Double check the IP addresses, subnet mask, and default gateway settings on the 3 computers behind the Linksys. I have the same model, and the default settings for the LAN settings are router - (LAN IP settings) 192.168.1.1, 255.255.255.0 client1 192.168.1.x, 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway 192.168.1.1 client2 192.168.1.y, 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway 192.168.1.1 -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Randy.Dunlap Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:19 AM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] [OT] LAN behind DSL On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, D. Cooper Stevenson wrote: | Randy; | | > At home I have 3 computers connected to a LinkSys BEFSR41 | > cable/DSL router with 4-port switch. | | Can A, B, and C ping each other? Not in my limited testing. -- ~Randy _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From ckuskie at dalsemi.com Fri Apr 26 17:36:45 2002 From: ckuskie at dalsemi.com (Colin Kuskie) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:36:45 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Virus in sylpheed? Message-ID: <20020426103645.A22482@dalsemi.com> Okay, I know it sounds funny, but people in my sylpheed addressbook are complaining that they're receiving spam from me. At home I only use sylpheed for email. I've asked them to send me email headers instead of quoting the body, so that I can verify that the email really came from me, but in the meantime, has anyone heard of anything that could infect sylpheed? Colin From rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com Fri Apr 26 17:39:44 2002 From: rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:39:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] PGP key verification question Message-ID: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B15A@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> > From: Wil Cooley [mailto:wcooley at nakedape.cc] > Can you? It's not documented in the man page, but I've wondered > about it for a while. Do you have multiple lines of 'keyserver' > or multiple servers listed on one line? I just added another keyserver line. DISCLAIMER: I was aware that Wil's PGP sigs weren't being verified. Then I saw his response to Bruce's question. Hmmm, different keyservers. Quickly added the line and now I can verify both sets of signatures/keys. Didn't check the docs, didn't read the HOWTOs, just glanced at the file, thought the format was the same as /etc/resolv.conf and gave it a whirl. YMMV. -- Michael Rasmussen - Network Engineer, Columbia Management voice: 971-925-6723 cell: 503-807-1447 rasmussenm at columbiafunds.com http://www.columbiafunds.com NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this email in error, and delete the copy you received. Any communication that does not relate to official Columbia business is that of the sender and is neither given nor endorsed by Columbia. Thank you. From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Fri Apr 26 17:46:32 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:46:32 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need a super rescue disk Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA81D@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> I have a couple family members with problems that I gave me an idea. One PC has Windows ME pre-installed and for the second time, vital system files have been hosed and it can't boot up. They have a CD that came with it that will restore the hard drive to it's original condition. This is almost acceptable except that they will lose all the pictures from the digital camera they have. "Backup? What's that?" Anyway, I thought a good solution would be to boot the computer from a bootable Linux CD, bring up networking and ftp the files to my linux PC. We both have DSL, so hopefully they don't have more megs than the bandwidth will allow. (Of cource, they have no idea how many megs that would be.) I downloaded lnx-bbc and burned it onto a CD. I can boot a PC with it, but I can't find any doc's on what networking tools the CD has or how to bring networking up. I would need dhcp to get their DSL working. I also though about using a Redhat install CD and booting into rescue mode to see if this would work. I could probable figure out how to bring up networking manually, but I need to figure out what driver (kernel module, like tulip) they would need for the network card. I have read that there is a way to run the hardware detection software that RH uses in it's installer to find out, but I don't know how to do this. If someone has a link to something, I would love to see it. Has anyone done anything like this? It seem like it would be a useful tool for fixing PC's. Thanks in advance. From JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us Fri Apr 26 17:55:37 2002 From: JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us (Miller, Jeremy) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:55:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need a super rescue disk Message-ID: <51AE6EA505FCD111AB5600805F653ACB010AA0DA@EXCHANGE> I'm sure something like this exists, but don't know where to look off the top of my head. (Tom's Root Boot and variants spring to mind.) However, since you're talking about a windows machine, I do know where some nice windows boot disk tools are... Look at http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/modboot/ to check out "Bart's Modular Boot Disk". I have boot cd's and floppies built off of this that work great. DHCP, SMB, and everything are available. I believe there's an FTP client in there too, but I'm not sure. --------------------------------------- Jeremy Miller - jmiller at ci.albany.or.us City of Albany/Albany Public Library --------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Craighead, Scot D [mailto:craighead.scot at vectorscm.com] > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:47 AM > To: 'plug at pdxlinux.org' > Subject: [PLUG] Need a super rescue disk > > > I have a couple family members with problems that I gave me > an idea. One PC > has Windows ME pre-installed and for the second time, vital > system files > have been hosed and it can't boot up. They have a CD that > came with it that > will restore the hard drive to it's original condition. This > is almost > acceptable except that they will lose all the pictures from > the digital > camera they have. "Backup? What's that?" Anyway, I thought a good > solution would be to boot the computer from a bootable Linux > CD, bring up > networking and ftp the files to my linux PC. We both have > DSL, so hopefully > they don't have more megs than the bandwidth will allow. (Of > cource, they > have no idea how many megs that would be.) I downloaded > lnx-bbc and burned > it onto a CD. I can boot a PC with it, but I can't find any > doc's on what > networking tools the CD has or how to bring networking up. I > would need > dhcp to get their DSL working. I also though about using a > Redhat install > CD and booting into rescue mode to see if this would work. > > I could probable figure out how to bring up networking > manually, but I need > to figure out what driver (kernel module, like tulip) they > would need for > the network card. I have read that there is a way to run the hardware > detection software that RH uses in it's installer to find > out, but I don't > know how to do this. If someone has a link to something, I > would love to > see it. > > Has anyone done anything like this? It seem like it would be > a useful tool > for fixing PC's. Thanks in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Fri Apr 26 10:59:44 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (D. Cooper Stevenson) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:59:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need a super rescue disk In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA81D@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com>; from craighead.scot@vectorscm.com on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 10:46:32AM -0700 References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA81D@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <20020426035944.A1482@linux-enterprise.net> Scot; > Has anyone done anything like this? It seem like it would be a useful tool > for fixing PC's. Thanks in advance. Tomsrtbt floppy image. Good driver detection/support. Installation trivial: http://www.toms.net/rb/ -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper.stevenson at wahchang.com UNIX Administrator |PH: (541)791-1322 Telledyne Wah Chang |FAX: (541)924-6895 ------------------------------------------------------ From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Apr 26 18:03:32 2002 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:03:32 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need a super rescue disk References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA81D@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <3CC99674.8050100@parkrose.k12.or.us> Craighead, Scot D wrote: > ---snip--- > I could probable figure out how to bring up networking manually, but I need > to figure out what driver (kernel module, like tulip) they would need for > the network card. I have read that there is a way to run the hardware > detection software that RH uses in it's installer to find out, but I don't > know how to do this. If someone has a link to something, I would love to > see it. I believe the redhat tool is kudzu. -Dan Young From prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com Fri Apr 26 18:19:52 2002 From: prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com (Preston Crawford) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Of Software and Ecosystems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Paul Heinlein wrote: > The basic operating algorithm at Microsoft is simple: Microsoft exists > to serve its shareholders, not those who purchase its products and > services. The funny thing is, this would all be a moot point if Microsoft was forced to account for stock options properly. Their stock value would plummet and cash on hand couldn't be used to hammer competition. Preston From wcooley at nakedape.cc Fri Apr 26 18:28:04 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:28:04 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Of Software and Ecosystems In-Reply-To: ; from prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 11:19:52AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020426112804.S22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Preston Crawford on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 11:19:52AM PDT > On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Paul Heinlein wrote: > > > The basic operating algorithm at Microsoft is simple: Microsoft exists > > to serve its shareholders, not those who purchase its products and > > services. > > The funny thing is, this would all be a moot point if Microsoft was forced > to account for stock options properly. Their stock value would plummet and > cash on hand couldn't be used to hammer competition. Maybe it's time /they/ were audited ;) Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ejahn at worksystems.org Fri Apr 26 18:37:45 2002 From: ejahn at worksystems.org (Eric Jahn) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:37:45 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Skipjack screenshots Message-ID: <319FB8934F09BF48A3F3228370882667385EA8@wsimail.worksystems.org> I'm curious to see screenshots of Skipjack. I scoured google, but no luck. Does anyone know where there might be some? From seant at q7.com Fri Apr 26 18:39:34 2002 From: seant at q7.com (Sean Lewis) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] M$ accounting Message-ID: I think this is related to what Paul was talking about: http://www.billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html From bspears at easystreet.com Fri Apr 26 18:45:42 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:45:42 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] CGI Scripts Message-ID: <200204261839.g3QIduB05868@smtp.easystreet.com> How does one usually set up directory permissions for running CGI scripts? I have scripts that need to read and write files: html templates, pdf files etc. Is it Ok to make cgi-bin world read writable, or is that a horrible security mistake? From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Fri Apr 26 19:04:19 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:04:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need a super rescue disk Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA81F@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> >Tomsrtbt floppy image. Good driver detection/support. Installation trivial: > >http://www.toms.net/rb/ That has saved me a couple times. Does it detect NIC's? Has anyone setup networking after booting with Tom's boot root? I was just reading that I should be able to bring up hdcp by typing "pump" if the correct driver is loaded. Has anyone ever tried this? I also though about demo linux. Has any used that with networking? From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Fri Apr 26 12:15:09 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (D. Cooper Stevenson) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 05:15:09 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need a super rescue disk In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA81F@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com>; from craighead.scot@vectorscm.com on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 12:04:19PM -0700 References: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA81F@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <20020426051509.A1633@linux-enterprise.net> > That has saved me a couple times. Does it detect NIC's? Has anyone setup > networking after booting with Tom's boot root? I was just reading that I > should be able to bring up hdcp by typing "pump" if the correct driver is > loaded. Has anyone ever tried this? > Yes, Tom's does detect most standard Ethernet devices. From there you can either use the standard 'ifconfig' and friends or, if your network has a DHCP, Tom's automatically tries to configure the card for you at startup. > I also though about demo linux. Has any used that with networking? > Not I personally. Sorry. -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper.stevenson at wahchang.com UNIX Administrator |PH: (541)791-1322 Telledyne Wah Chang |FAX: (541)924-6895 ------------------------------------------------------ From McCannJ at tri-met.org Fri Apr 26 19:34:17 2002 From: McCannJ at tri-met.org (McCann, Joe) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:34:17 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Of Software and Ecosystems Message-ID: <17FF88BF769F7A4E8215C133B216AB8676F252@csmail1.tri-met.org> I believe that theory would be correct IF Microsoft paid taxes. They don't. See earlier thread about MS accounting practices and stocks. An interesting read that started me on researching my investments more carefully. http://www.ecommercetimes.com/perl/story/4526.html -----Original Message----- From: Paul Heinlein [mailto:heinlein at attbi.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:18 AM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Of Software and Ecosystems On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, D. Cooper Stevenson wrote: > If Microsoft's theory of the "Software Ecosystem" is correct (the > idea that a benevolent software maker gives back in the form of > taxes and charity), then why were they threatening an audit to the > school districts instead of helping them? From russj at dimstar.net Fri Apr 26 20:38:48 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:38:48 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need a super rescue disk In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA81D@ljcms002.prod.vecto rscm.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426133726.01db17f8@localhost> I've had really good success with the RH 7.2 Admin CD. It's a pretty powerful rescue disk. I think it will boot with the network active. Not sure if it has the drivers you need for the Fat32 partition though. At 10:46 AM 4/26/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Has anyone done anything like this? It seem like it would be a useful tool >for fixing PC's. Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net In Alaska, where it gets very cold, pi is only 3.00. As you know, everything shrinks in the cold. They call it Eskimo pi. From ed at alcpress.com Fri Apr 26 21:04:47 2002 From: ed at alcpress.com (Ed Sawicki) Date: 26 Apr 2002 14:04:47 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] TCO and audits Message-ID: <1019855088.31431.23.camel@red> I'm getting ready to do a presentation that includes Total Cost of Ownership considerations when evaluating Windows versus free software-based systems. Does anyone have any hard numbers for what a software audit actually costs? For example, what will Portland public schools pay to conduct their audit? Does the contract or agreement between Microsoft and its customers limit the number of times Microsoft can force an audit? Ed Sawicki -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think it would be good to be able to run them and see what they say. Nice tool for the toolbox. From cocofan at mindspring.com Fri Apr 26 21:38:31 2002 From: cocofan at mindspring.com (cocofan) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:38:31 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Java Plugin for Mozilla (konqueror) Message-ID: <200204262137.g3QLbGj26677@tuttle.oit.pdx.edu> I seem to be having problems with getting any applets on web pages to to work under the java plugin that Mozilla uses. I get error messages like "applet not initialized" or that it can't find a certain class file or just a blank spot. This is not just on one page but across many different pages. I also know that on some of these pages the applets work because I can pick them up with other browsers, like Opera, but I would like to use Mozilla. Has anyone gotten java applets to work in Mozilla? Are there other Java Plugins that work better? I'm using Mozilla 0.9.8 in Mandrake 8.2. cocofan From sandy at herring.org Fri Apr 26 22:34:45 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:34:45 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Rename script In-Reply-To: <20020426055738.CKAI20384.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@downtown>; from revans@e-z.net on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 11:00:01PM -0700 References: <20020426055738.CKAI20384.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@downtown> Message-ID: <20020426153445.B5513@kippered.herring.org> On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Russell Evans wrote: > > I know this has been answered, but I was wondering if this works with other > shells besides Bash? > > for i in * ; do mv "$i" ${i##*_} ; done > > > Thank you > Russell sh Y bash Y (pd)ksh Y zsh Y csh N tcsh N hth, Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Friday 26 April 2002 06:34 pm, you wrote: > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Russell Evans wrote: > > I know this has been answered, but I was wondering if this works with > > other shells besides Bash? > > > > for i in * ; do mv "$i" ${i##*_} ; done > > > > > > Thank you > > Russell > > sh Y > bash Y > (pd)ksh Y > zsh Y > csh N > tcsh N > > hth, > Sandy -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com From sandy at herring.org Fri Apr 26 23:01:29 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:01:29 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Rename script In-Reply-To: ; from bhoran@hexdev.com on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 07:12:37PM -0400 References: <20020426055738.CKAI20384.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@downtown> <20020426153445.B5513@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: <20020426160129.A5887@kippered.herring.org> I guess I should have made it clear that my reply was specifically about which shells offer parameter substitution. Sandy On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Brian Horan wrote: > csh and tcsh have a 'foreach' (much like Perl's) for stuff like this... > > On Friday 26 April 2002 06:34 pm, you wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Russell Evans wrote: > > > I know this has been answered, but I was wondering if this works with > > > other shells besides Bash? > > > > > > for i in * ; do mv "$i" ${i##*_} ; done > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > Russell > > > > sh Y > > bash Y > > (pd)ksh Y > > zsh Y > > csh N > > tcsh N > > > > hth, > > Sandy > > -- > Brian Horan > bhoran at hexdev.com > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From alan at clueserver.org Fri Apr 26 22:40:01 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:40:01 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] M$ accounting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200204261540.01272.alan@clueserver.org> On Friday 26 April 2002 11:39 am, Sean Lewis wrote: > I think this is related to what Paul was talking about: > > http://www.billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html Something the article misses. It is my understanding that Microsoft does not pay dividends on its shares. From codeyeti at yahoo.com Sat Apr 27 00:33:31 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:33:31 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Java Plugin for Mozilla (konqueror) References: <200204262137.g3QLbGj26677@tuttle.oit.pdx.edu> Message-ID: <3CC9F1D9.DC5DAD31@yahoo.com> I've got applets working beautifully in mozilla. I downloaded the java SDK (The JRE would work just as well) from blackdown. Then I made a link to the SDK mozilla plugin (/usr/lib/j2sdk1.3/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so) from the mozilla plugin directory (/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/javaplugin_oji.so). The directories might be changed a little (I use debian, btw.) If you have a java plugin, you can find it with "locate java | grep plugin" or similar. Another secret of mozilla is to type in the location bar "about:plugins". That will tell you the details of all the plugins you're using. There's also a mozilla easter egg if you type in "about:mozilla" (works on later netscapes too.) And finally, if you have plugins that work in netscape, you can link them into the mozilla plugins directory if you want to handle certain files (I can now handle realplayer files and flash in mozilla since I learned this trick.) For reference, the following are debian sources for the blackdown SDK packages. They go in /etc/apt/sources.list. deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody non-free deb ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/java/jdk/debian woody non-free HTH --Mike cocofan wrote: > I seem to be having problems with getting any applets on web pages to > to work under the java plugin that Mozilla uses. I get error messages like > "applet not initialized" or that it can't find a certain class file or just a > blank spot. This is not just on one page but across many different pages. I > also know that on some of these pages the applets work because I can pick > them up with other browsers, like Opera, but I would like to use Mozilla. > Has anyone gotten java applets to work in Mozilla? Are there other Java > Plugins that work better? I'm using Mozilla 0.9.8 in Mandrake 8.2. > cocofan -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas *Fscking* Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From marcm at easystreet.com Sat Apr 27 02:36:55 2002 From: marcm at easystreet.com (Marc) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:36:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] XawTV problem In-Reply-To: <20020426161441.56499.qmail@web14407.mail.yahoo.com>; from sharbours@yahoo.com on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 09:14:41AM -0700 References: <20020426073452.A4784@dendryte.localdomain> <20020426161441.56499.qmail@web14407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020426193655.A1598@mentorg.com> Hi Sean, Any luck with this problem? I have the same card and the same problem. NBC (8) is at least one channel where I get it. I found that Andy's suggestion to try changing the "audio" paramter in XawTV did not seem to help. Marc On Fri 04/26/02 9:14, Sean, Sharon and Kyle Harbour wrote: > Thanks, I'll give it a try tonight. > > I bought an Avermedia AverTV Stereo for about $50.00 last month. > Seems to work fine under Mandrake 8.2. I've been using it to rip VHS > home movie tapes to mpeg1 using mp1e with fair success. A 2.3 Mb > datarate looks decent at 320x240, eats up about a gig an hour, and > averages about 20% CPU, with lows of 8% and highs of 48% on a 1200 > Athlon. I've been trying it out as a PVR, and it seems to work fairly > well. For some reason I can't schedule it to record using > /etc/crontab, but using at works. Using crontab it just creates a > zero length file and quits. Now I just need a nice web front end for > it that supports our local channel lineup. I've been trying some of > the front end projects out there, but nothing decent yet. > > Sean Harbour > > --- Andy Boyce wrote: > > I'm not certian if this will work for you but try putting > > audio = mono | stereo | lang1 | lang2 > > in your .xawtv to set the audio mode for the given channel. > > just out of curiosity what tv card are you using? > > > > Andy > > * Sean, Sharon and Kyle Harbour (sharbours at yahoo.com) wrote: > > > > > > I've been using XawTV lately for watching cable TV. Somehow, the > > audio is tuned into the alternative audio channel (SAP), so on some > > channels I get either no sound or spanish, etc. My spanish is much > > worse than rusty, so does anybody know how I set the default audio > > channel to not use SAP? > > > Thanks amigos! > > > Sean Harbour > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ---end quoted text--- -- No sig here From sandbox at pacifier.com Sat Apr 27 03:13:52 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:13:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Am I Spam? Message-ID: <3CCA1770.5080705@pacifier.com> I've been alerted by one list member who is running SpamAssassin that my posts are identified as being spam. Namely, that my ip is in a RBL and that I am a "Confirmed Spam Source". I've checked 5 or 6 RBL's and have been unable to verify the existence of my (current) ip in any of them. Any other SpamAssassin users seeing this? Or is it a false positive. -- Kyle Accardi From sandy at herring.org Sat Apr 27 03:49:04 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:49:04 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Am I Spam? In-Reply-To: <3CCA1770.5080705@pacifier.com>; from sandbox@pacifier.com on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 08:13:52PM -0700 References: <3CCA1770.5080705@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020426204904.A12256@kippered.herring.org> Kyle, I've got plug whitelisted... whitelist_to plug at lists.pdxlinux.org ...but here's what SpamAssassin noted in the headers for your post... X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 +tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,TO_LOCALPART_EQ_REAL,USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO +version=2.20 No RCVD_IN_RBL flag there. Sandy On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Kyle Accardi wrote: > I've been alerted by one list member who is running SpamAssassin that my > posts are identified as being spam. Namely, that my ip is in a RBL and > that I am a "Confirmed Spam Source". > > I've checked 5 or 6 RBL's and have been unable to verify the existence of > my (current) ip in any of them. > > Any other SpamAssassin users seeing this? Or is it a false positive. > > -- > Kyle Accardi -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sharbours at yahoo.com Sat Apr 27 04:02:09 2002 From: sharbours at yahoo.com (Sean, Sharon and Kyle Harbour) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] XawTV problem - More info? In-Reply-To: <20020426193655.A1598@mentorg.com> Message-ID: <20020427040209.77083.qmail@web14402.mail.yahoo.com> --- Marc wrote: > Hi Sean, > > Any luck with this problem? I have the same card and the same > problem. NBC > (8) is at least one channel where I get it. I found that Andy's > suggestion to > try changing the "audio" paramter in XawTV did not seem to help. > > Marc No, no change. Channel 8 still has that annoying looping message, and channel 4 has no audio. Channel 10 works normally most of time, then occasionally changes to a radio broadcast. Here is my .xawtv file, as pieced via Google. The xawtv website seems to be down. http://www.bytesex.org/xawtv/ [global] freqtab = us-bcast #freqtab = us-bcast | us-cable #Sound - if your having problems finding the correct channel to record in, do #'mixer=mixer' will cause a dump of all the 'valid values' (hint hint) #mixer = vol #/dev/mixer: available: 'vol' 'bass' 'treble' 'pcm' 'speaker' 'line' 'mic' #'cd' 'rec' 'ogain' 'line1' 'line2' 'line3' 'dig1' 'dig2' 'phin' mixer = line #pixsize = 128 x 96 pixsize = 320 x 240 #pixsize = 352 x 288 pixcols = 1 jpeg-quality = 75 mjpeg-quality = 75 toggle-mouse = 0 keypad-ntsc = yes osd = yes aspect = 4:3 fullscreen = 640x480 [defaults] input = Television #input = Composite1 #input = svideo norm = ntsc audio = mono #audio = mono | stereo | lang1 | lang2 capture = over # The following appear to increments of 500's. ignore the 'bright' & #'contrast' as i just copied these values & they happen to be #correct! #bright = 38966 #contrast = 44280 #up'ed hue & color for my personal video tape #hue = 41500 #color = 43000 # [Station name] # capture = overlay | grabdisplay | on | off # input = Television | Composite1 | S-Video | ... # norm = PAL | NTSC | SECAM | ... # channel = # # fine = # (-128..+127) # key = keysym | modifier+keysym # color = # # bright = # # hue = # # contrast = # [CH1 1] channel = 1 fine = 0 [CH2 TVGOS] channel = 2 fine = 0 [CH3 KWBP-WB] channel = 3 fine = 0 [CH4 KATU-ABC] channel = 4 fine = 0 [CH5 KPXG] channel = 5 fine = 0 [CH6 KOIN-CBS] channel = 6 fine = 0 [CH7 DISC] channel = 7 fine = 0 [CH8 KGW-NBC] channel = 8 fine = 0 [CH9 WGN] channel = 9 fine = 0 [CH10 KOPB] channel = 10 fine = 0 [CH11 PA-11] channel = 11 fine = 0 [CH12 KPTV-UPN] channel = 12 fine = 0 [CH13 KPDX-FOX] channel = 13 fine = 0 [CH15 ADS] channel = 15 fine = 0 [CH16 QVC] channel = 16 fine = 0 [CH17 HSN] channel = 17 fine = 0 [CH18 HALLMARK] channel = 18 fine = 0 [CH19 SHOPNBC] channel = 19 fine = 0 [CH20 KNMT] channel = 20 fine = 0 [CH21 PA-21] channel = 21 fine = 0 [CH22 PA-22] channel = 22 fine = 0 [CH23 PA-23] channel = 23 fine = 0 [CH24 CSPAN] channel = 24 fine = 0 [CH25 CSPAN2] channel = 25 fine = 0 [CH26 KBLE] channel = 26 fine = 0 [CH27 EDAC-27] channel = 27 fine = 0 [CH28 EDAC-28] channel = 28 fine = 0 [CH30 GOVAC] channel = 30 fine = 0 [CH31 UNI] channel = 31 fine = 0 [CH32 INTL] channel = 32 fine = 0 [CH70 ETV] channel = 70 fine = 0 [CH71 AMC] channel = 71 fine = 0 [CH98 PIN] channel = 98 fine = 0 Sean __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Apr 27 04:14:09 2002 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] RE: Just a tiny bit of MS audit info from the schools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Preston Crawford wrote: > >On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, sendai wrote: > >> Exactly. No one should be fooled into thinking that MS is being nice here. >> I guarantee you they have seen our responses, and a big reason for their >> delays is to kill our urgency which removes some of our motivation. We have >> to stay on this and not back down. > >The key being to not back down from offering an alternative. I agree with >others, that you don't want to over-eagerly force something on the school. >There are legitimate reasons, though, to make the switch on MOST >computers. Not all, but most. And I think we should most definitely press >ahead as vigorously, but organized. Find out what the schools want, find >out what we can offer and present it to them in an organized professional >manner. Preston has the right approach in mind. Sendai, there is NO ONE being fooled. Trust me on this one. There was an emergency, now there is not. The basic problem remains, but the timelines are more managable. >From my perspective, the worse-case scenerio would have been that the schools were forced into converting everything over to Linux overnight. It would have been a huge, disruptive disaster. But they were WILLING AND PREPARED to do it if they must. Now the schools have some time to work all of this out. They now need to reflect on what their needs are, how much risk they are willing to tolerate, how they should best allocate their precious resources. Our job, as a community, is no longer to bail the schools out of an emergency situation. Sure, it would have made great press and would have been a facinating endever, but it would not have been in ANYONE's long-term best interest. Our job, as a community, is now to help the schools strech their budgets, mitigate risks, and make sound, rational decisions on the use of technology. This is not the stuff of national headlines, it is the stuff of long-term, healthy education. It's time to stop thinking about this particular battle, shift your thoughts to winning the war. But let's discuss it at another time. It's been a LONG WEEK and I for one need some sleep ;-) -Eric From linux at maneuveringspeed.com Sat Apr 27 06:36:40 2002 From: linux at maneuveringspeed.com (Greg Long) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:36:40 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 In-Reply-To: <20020425124202.A2099@edge> Message-ID: <003e01c1edb5$e3b2bd90$6401a8c0@endeavor> Although I can't speak for the model 600... I have a newly purchased IBM A30 Thinkpad (p3-1ghz/30gb/ATI Radeon Mobility) and it runs Redhat 7.2 great. There were some minor tweaks I had to do such as compiling an audio driver, but it's fine. My wife's Thinkpad 770x (P2-300mhz/8gb/Trident, I think) runs 7.2 great as well. No problems with any configuration other than audio is unsupported, I did not spend much time searching for a workaround driver. Laptops can be refurbished for many reasons. Even the most sturdy can still get dropped from a significant height onto a hard floor, be on the receiving end of java transfers -- and I mean liquid cofee here -- and a whole host of other things that desktop systems aren't subject to. We are VERY pleased with the construction of ours, especially when compared with the Dell's - which are fine until it comes to the construction. The hinges and dual locking mechanisms are much better. Regardless of what OS they are put on, and whether it's used or not, those are nice things to keep in mind. On the downside, it's easier to stay up too damn late working on a project while your wife sleeps next to you in the bedroom - courtesy of a long RJ45 cable or wireless PCMCIA :) "OK, hon, I'll send this and put it away..." Greg -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Bill Barry Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 12:42 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 I am thinking about buying a refurbished Thinkpad 600 to use as a linux laptop. I have checked around and everything on it seems to be supported, even the mwave winmodem. The question is, why are there so many of these refurbished systems around. Does anybody have one. Are they reliable. Thanks for any comments, Bill _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From linux at maneuveringspeed.com Sat Apr 27 06:39:13 2002 From: linux at maneuveringspeed.com (Greg Long) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:39:13 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Klamath Linux Unix Group - KLUG, Anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003f01c1edb6$3eeaca90$6401a8c0@endeavor> Great, we don't receive enough harassment. :) We'll have to see if we can get a few more people interested, then we'll hold a meeting. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Mike De La Mater Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:40 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Klamath Linux Unix Group - KLUG, Anyone? We'll harass anyone, no matter how far away they are. My dad went to OTI in the 50's. I get down there a couple of times a year, I have family in Myrtle Creek, Tri-Cities and Riddle. All thriving metroplexes. Have fun and don't hurt anyone. Mike 4/25/02 10:32:12 PM, "Greg Long" wrote: > > > From: "Greg Long" > > To: "PLUG" > Subject:[PLUG] Klamath Linux Unix Group - KLUG, Anyone? > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:32:12 -0700 > > > > In Klamath Falls, because OIT's main campus is here, we have a number > of CSET/HWET and other computer major students. The focus at OIT is > definitely Microsoft - and I might add this is a good thing - since > we are an applied technology school and that's where the market is. > It is not all pure Microsoft by any means, there is a lot of general > computer science, and if you telnet in, you're on a nix box of some > sort (I'm not sure) > > Having said that, I would really like to see more cross-platform, > particularly Linux and Unix exposure. If I can find a half a dozen people > down here that think this is a good idea who as a minimum can install > and somewhat use one distro or another, we'll try to start a group. > > Is there anyone who would be interested in helping out from up there, > just being on the mailing list and offering their two cents, that > would be awesome. Please drop me a line. > > > Greg > > ---------- Mike De La Mater Mike De La Mater Consulting mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From ejahn at worksystems.org Sat Apr 27 06:59:19 2002 From: ejahn at worksystems.org (Eric Jahn) Date: 26 Apr 2002 23:59:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Eclipse In-Reply-To: <003f01c1edb6$3eeaca90$6401a8c0@endeavor> References: <003f01c1edb6$3eeaca90$6401a8c0@endeavor> Message-ID: <1019890760.5808.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Has anyone successfully installed this on linux. I've tried the RC1 version and the latest stable build, but neither run when I click on the installed binary file. I've also tried the gtk 1.2 and 2.0 versions. I'm running Redhat 7.2. From creelan at engr.orst.edu Sat Apr 27 08:52:05 2002 From: creelan at engr.orst.edu (Tyler F. Creelan) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 01:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] GIANT font problem In-Reply-To: <3CC98225.7040804@spamcop.net> Message-ID: > Then, I started mozilla and something has gone very wrong. I have BIG fonts. I had this problem earlier after I installed and ran Ximian's evolution. The fonts became gigantic in Mozilla and the form layout on webpages became screwed up in both galeon and mozilla, but not konqueror. I'm not sure how this problem resolved itself; I recall switching to konqueror for a few days and when I tried mozilla again (perhaps after apt-upgrading) the fonts were back to normal. However, I just now tried running evolution again and the font problem is back. Restarting X didnt' seem to help. I am also running Debian woody, w/enlightenment. Hope this info helps some. PS: Does anyone know how to configure tinting in the Eterm configuration file? I'm trying to configure Eterm so that each terminal is tinted with a random color when Eterm is invoked. I know Eterm can be run with the --tint option, and I know how to use the %random() function, but does anyone know how tinting is stipulated in the Eterm user.cfg file? Thanks Tyler On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Richard F Seymour wrote: > Installed debian woody on my laptop and got mozilla running. Quite happy. > > Then I did a few things. Most notably, I installed evolution and tried > to get it working. That brought in a bunch of gnome related stuff. > > Then, I started mozilla and something has gone very wrong. I have BIG fonts. > > I mean really BIG fonts. > > I mean, if I maximize the window to fill my 1024x768 screen, I can see > the top 2/3 of the letters "Fil" from the "File" prompt on the menu, and > that's all that fits on the screen. > > Any ideas? > > Seems to only affect mozilla -- both mail and browser. > > > -- > Lions, and tigers, and bears! Oh, my! > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Richard Seymour, the Man Behind the Curtain > CHEEP GEEKS Anarchy Software FREE GEEK > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From llywrch at agora.rdrop.com Sat Apr 27 04:46:32 2002 From: llywrch at agora.rdrop.com (Geoff Burling) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] M$ accounting In-Reply-To: <200204261540.01272.alan@clueserver.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Alan wrote: > On Friday 26 April 2002 11:39 am, Sean Lewis wrote: > > I think this is related to what Paul was talking about: > > > > http://www.billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html > > Something the article misses. It is my understanding that Microsoft does not > pay dividends on its shares. > Along these lines, I just saw on the news stands that Money magazine had an article about MS's accounting. You can read the article at http://money.cnn.com/2002/04/12/pf/agenda_msft/index.htm (While not at all concerned with his points, this article sets out a few details that Bill Parish appears to have overlooked.) Geoff From jon at manymoons.net Sat Apr 27 19:30:17 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: 27 Apr 2002 12:30:17 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Sendmail Help: virtusertable Message-ID: <1019935817.14923.25.camel@lana.manymoons.net> I am trying to set up my mailserver to server my new domain name. I have added the line commishclowns at jonsleague.org jon successfully to virtusertable and it works. However, when I try and add something new to the file and then run make, it reports: make: Nothing to be done for `virtusertable'. This is simply not true. Why does it tell me this? How do I add an entry to this file and then get make to recognize that I have indeed changed the file? From m at netpro.to Sat Apr 27 20:01:36 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 13:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Sendmail Help: virtusertable In-Reply-To: <1019935817.14923.25.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: Ever thought about using Postfix instead? It's better all around. Anywho... I believe that you need to run this command to rebuild the virtusertable db: makemap hash virtusertable < virtusertable On 27 Apr 2002, Jon Jacob wrote: > I am trying to set up my mailserver to server my new domain name. I > have added the line > > commishclowns at jonsleague.org jon > > successfully to virtusertable and it works. However, when I try and add > something new to the file and then run make, it reports: > > make: Nothing to be done for `virtusertable'. > > This is simply not true. Why does it tell me this? How do I add an > entry to this file and then get make to recognize that I have indeed > changed the file? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From jon at manymoons.net Sat Apr 27 22:18:51 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: 27 Apr 2002 15:18:51 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Sendmail Help: virtusertable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1019945932.14923.47.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Thank you. That worked. I will look into Postfix. On Sat, 2002-04-27 at 13:01, Matt Alexander wrote: > Ever thought about using Postfix instead? It's better all around. > > Anywho... I believe that you need to run this command to rebuild the > virtusertable db: > > makemap hash virtusertable < virtusertable > > > On 27 Apr 2002, Jon Jacob wrote: > > > I am trying to set up my mailserver to server my new domain name. I > > have added the line > > > > commishclowns at jonsleague.org jon > > > > successfully to virtusertable and it works. However, when I try and add > > something new to the file and then run make, it reports: > > > > make: Nothing to be done for `virtusertable'. > > > > This is simply not true. Why does it tell me this? How do I add an > > entry to this file and then get make to recognize that I have indeed > > changed the file? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From creelan at engr.orst.edu Sat Apr 27 22:33:57 2002 From: creelan at engr.orst.edu (Tyler F. Creelan) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Random Eterm tint -- Solved It In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'm trying to configure Eterm so that each > terminal is tinted with a random color when Eterm is invoked. I gave up on the user.cfg file and just wrote a script. Thank goodness for perl. :) #!/usr/local/bin/perl #|--------------------------------- #| Runs Eterm with random color tint. #| TTFC 2002. # edit this array to change the colors. # note: dark colors work best on light backgrounds. @colors=("midnightblue", "gold","orange","green","skyblue","darkslategray","red","yellow","darkgreen"); $length=push(@colors); $r=rand $length; # Eterm window size, can also specify offset. $geo="--geometry 75x55"; # tinted with random color. print "This terminal is colored $colors[$r].\n"; system("(Eterm -O --itrans $geo --scrollbar off --borderless --tint $colors[$r] & )"); On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Tyler F. Creelan wrote: > > Then, I started mozilla and something has gone very wrong. I have BIG fonts. > > I had this problem earlier after I installed and ran Ximian's evolution. > The fonts became gigantic in Mozilla and the form layout on webpages > became screwed up in both galeon and mozilla, but not konqueror. > > I'm not sure how this problem resolved itself; I recall switching to > konqueror for a few days and when I tried mozilla again (perhaps after > apt-upgrading) the fonts were back to normal. However, I just now tried > running evolution again and the font problem is back. Restarting X didnt' > seem to help. > > I am also running Debian woody, w/enlightenment. Hope this info helps > some. > > PS: Does anyone know how to configure tinting in the Eterm > configuration file? I'm trying to configure Eterm so that each > terminal is tinted with a random color when Eterm is invoked. > I know Eterm can be run with the --tint option, and I know > how to use the %random() function, but does anyone know how tinting > is stipulated in the Eterm user.cfg file? > > Thanks > > Tyler > > > On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Richard F Seymour wrote: > > > Installed debian woody on my laptop and got mozilla running. Quite happy. > > > > Then I did a few things. Most notably, I installed evolution and tried > > to get it working. That brought in a bunch of gnome related stuff. > > > > Then, I started mozilla and something has gone very wrong. I have BIG fonts. > > > > I mean really BIG fonts. > > > > I mean, if I maximize the window to fill my 1024x768 screen, I can see > > the top 2/3 of the letters "Fil" from the "File" prompt on the menu, and > > that's all that fits on the screen. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Seems to only affect mozilla -- both mail and browser. > > > > > > -- > > Lions, and tigers, and bears! Oh, my! > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Richard Seymour, the Man Behind the Curtain > > CHEEP GEEKS Anarchy Software FREE GEEK > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From creelan at engr.orst.edu Sat Apr 27 22:47:34 2002 From: creelan at engr.orst.edu (Tyler F. Creelan) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Re: ? (fwd) Message-ID: Copy of my response to someone affected by the latest Microsoft Outlook worm. If you get the chance to read about it (info below) it is a rather cleverly crafted worm. (has its own SMTP engine, randomly permuted subject line; encrypted; makes recipient of first message the sender of the next one, etc). Its frustrating to know the virus is using my email address even though I was never infected with it. Tyler ---------- Forwarded message ---------- To: Corey Westermann > recently got a message from you with....the subject of the > e-mail said "congratulations," Corey - I didn't actually send the worm to you; someone had both your name and my name in his Microsoft address book. The worm takes these addresses and randomly places them in the To and From fields of outgoing Microsoft Outlook messages. Messages have probably been sent with your name in the To: field as well. Someone we both know uses Microsoft Outlook and clicked on the message, no idea who it actually was. I don't use Microsoft stuff so its unlikely the worm was sent from me directly. Tyler More Info: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h at mm.html --------------------------------- When this worm is executed, it does the following: It copies itself to \%System%\Wink.exe. NOTE: %System% is a variable. The worm locates the Windows System folder (by default this is C:\Windows\System or C:\Winnt\System32) and copies itself to that location. It adds the value Wink %System%\Wink.exe to the registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run or it creates the registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Wink[random characters] and inserts a value in that subkey so that the worm is executed when you start Windows. The worm attempts to disable on-access virus scanners and some previously distributed worms (such as W32.Nimda and CodeRed) by stopping any active processes. The worm removes the startup registry keys used by antivirus products and deletes checksum database files including: * Anti-Vir.dat * Chklist.dat * Chklist.ms * Chklist.cps * Chklist.tav * Ivb.ntz * Smartchk.ms * Smartchk.cps * Avgqt.dat * Aguard.dat Local and Network Drive copying: The worm copies itself to local, mapped, and network drives as: * A random file name that has a double extension. For example, Filename.txt.exe. * A .rar archive that has a double extension. For example, Filename.txt.rar. Email: This worm searches the Windows address book, the ICQ database, and local files for email addresses. The worm sends an email message to these addresses with itself as an attachment. The worm contains its own SMTP engine and attempts to guess at available SMTP servers. The subject line, message bodies, and attachment file names are random. The From address is randomly-chosen from email addresses that the worm finds on the infected computer. The worm will search files that have the following extensions for email addresses: * mp8 * .exe * .scr * .pif * .bat * .txt * .htm * .html * .wab * .asp * .doc * .rtf * .xls * .jpg * .cpp * .pas * .mpg * .mpeg * .bak * .mp3 * .pdf In addition to the worm attachment, the worm also may attach a random file from the computer. The file will have one of the following extensions: * mp8 * .txt * .htm * .html * .wab * .asp * .doc * .rtf * .xls * .jpg * .cpp * .pas * .mpg * .mpeg * .bak * .mp3 * .pdf As a result, the email message would have 2 attachments, the first being the worm and the second being the randomly-selected file. The email message that this worms sends is composed of "random" strings. The subject can be one of the following: * Undeliverable mail--"[Random word]" * Returned mail--"[Random word]" * a [Random word] [Random word] game * a [Random word] [Random word] tool * a [Random word] [Random word] website * a [Random word] [Random word] patch * [Random word] removal tools * how are you * let's be friends * darling * so cool a flash,enjoy it * your password * honey * some questions * please try again * welcome to my hometown * the Garden of Eden * introduction on ADSL * meeting notice * questionnaire * congratulations * sos! * japanese girl VS playboy * look,my beautiful girl friend * eager to see you * spice girls' vocal concert * japanese lass' sexy pictures The random word will be one of the following: * new * funny * nice * humour * excite * good * powful * WinXP * IE 6.0 * W32.Elkern * W32.Klez.E * Symantec * Mcafee * F-Secure * Sophos * Trendmicro * Kaspersky The body of the email message is random. If the message is opened in an unpatched version of Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express, the attachment may be automatically executed. Information about this vulnerability and a patch are available at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-020.asp Virus Insertion: This worm inserts the virus W32.Elkern.4926 as a file with a random name in the \%Program Files% folder and executes it. NOTE: %Program Files% is a variable. The worm locates the \Program Files folder (by default this is C:\Program Files and copies the virus to that location. -------------------------------------- On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Corey Westermann wrote: > > recently got a message from you with....the subject of the e-mail said "congratulations," though there was no message actually written. just thought i'd see what that was all about. > > corey > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness From tsavo3997 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 00:04:55 2002 From: tsavo3997 at yahoo.com (Brian) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Looking for a good DSL provider Message-ID: <20020428000455.831.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> I just bought a house that is qualified to get DSL up near PCC. I'm wondering what is a good provider to use. Specifically, I'm looking to run my own webserver, email, dns primary, etc. I used to do this in Indiana with Verizon, but that was back in the days when they would give you a static IP and had reasonable service (read: they left you alone). If could also provide a link to their website when you do make a suggestion. Thanks a lot. ===== -Brian Grell 'Clothes make the man, naked people have little or no influence on society' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From airneil at dimstar.net Sun Apr 28 00:15:04 2002 From: airneil at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:15:04 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Looking for a good DSL provider In-Reply-To: <20020428000455.831.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020427171358.028f4130@mail.localnet.dimstar.net> I've had nothing but good service with dsl-only.net. Prices are reasonable, and they know what they're doing. At 05:04 PM 4/27/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I just bought a house that is qualified to get DSL up >near PCC. I'm wondering what is a good provider to >use. Specifically, I'm looking to run my own >webserver, email, dns primary, etc. I used to do this >in Indiana with Verizon, but that was back in the days >when they would give you a static IP and had >reasonable service (read: they left you alone). If >could also provide a link to their website when you do >make a suggestion. Thanks a lot. Russ Johnson Stargate Online http://www.dimstar.net telnet://telnet.dimstar.net ICQ: 3739685 Read joke below at your own risk: Wenn ist das Nunstr?ck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! .. Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput! From tk-plug at perljam.net Sun Apr 28 00:30:10 2002 From: tk-plug at perljam.net (T) Date: 27 Apr 2002 17:30:10 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Printing question for non-Linux users Message-ID: <1019953811.12691.45.camel@Dustpuppy> Just a real quick question for those running *BSD or any of the commercial UNIX variants - What are the typical/default permissions on the print queue? Is it typically possible (at least in theory) to view items in the queue? I have a Linux box myself, so I can check that, but I don't currently have access to any *NIX boxes, so I'm limited in that regard. The reason for my inquiry is that I'm involved in a course of study that includes security. One of the attacks that was described involved the print queue, & I have my questions about how feasible this particular attack would be. I *really* don't want to know any details about anyone's setup, just what the defaults usually are - or even just some well-reasoned discussion on the subject. Many thanks, T. From m at netpro.to Sun Apr 28 01:01:46 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] k12ltsp strange mouse/keyboard behavior Message-ID: I setup a k12ltsp server at work and I plan on using it for our employees in our call center (they have very limited software needs so this will be a good testing ground). I've been testing things and I keep encountering random problems with the mouse/keyboard within KDE. Sometimes I can no longer click on anything. The only way to get out is to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill the X session. This seems to happen most often when clicking the Logout button on the taskbar, I can't click anything else or use any keyboard keys (except Ctrl-Alt-Backspace) to complete the logout process. The hardware is fairly simple: Serial mouse, P-133MHz, 64MB RAM, 1MB Video card. Here's what I get in .xsession-errors after logging in: XIM DEBUG: xset: bad font path element (#37), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax xset: bad font path element (#37), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax DCOPServer up and running. DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/DigitalClock) Negative sizes (2,-4) are not possible QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/QLabel) Negative sizes (49,-4) are not possible QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/DigitalClock) Negative sizes (2,-4) are not possible QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0) QWidget::setMaximumSize: (unnamed/QLabel) Negative sizes (49,-4) are not possible QObject::connect: No such slot KWrited::block_in(const char*,int) QObject::connect: (sender name: 'unnamed') QObject::connect: (receiver name: 'unnamed') I also have a shell script that I created an icon for our users to click on. Here's the contents of the script: /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -T Matt-Test -e /usr/bin/telnet 172.16.10.20 & After clicking this icon, I get this message in .xsession-errors: Invalid entry (missing '=') at /usr/local/bin/matt-test.sh:1 Any guesses as to what's going on? Thanks, ~M From mike-russell at netsailer.com Sun Apr 28 02:16:20 2002 From: mike-russell at netsailer.com (Mike Russell) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:16:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Looking for a good DSL provider In-Reply-To: <20020428000455.831.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020427191507.02355bd0@mail.aracnet.com> I always liked easystreet.com you always get what you pay for with them. At 05:04 PM 4/27/02, you wrote: >I just bought a house that is qualified to get DSL up >near PCC. I'm wondering what is a good provider to >use. Specifically, I'm looking to run my own >webserver, email, dns primary, etc. I used to do this >in Indiana with Verizon, but that was back in the days >when they would give you a static IP and had >reasonable service (read: they left you alone). If >could also provide a link to their website when you do >make a suggestion. Thanks a lot. > >===== >-Brian Grell >'Clothes make the man, naked people have little or no influence on society' > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness >http://health.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From gaetano at minastirith.org Sun Apr 28 03:30:33 2002 From: gaetano at minastirith.org (Gaetano) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:30:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Looking for a good DSL provider References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020427191507.02355bd0@mail.aracnet.com> Message-ID: <3CCB6CD9.4000100@minastirith.org> I use easystreet as well and am very happy with their "enthusiast" service. http://www.easystreet.com/services/easydsl/enthusiast.html With this you can set up your own server with a static IP address, NAT is OK with them and unless you ask for help they leave you alone. They charge a one time $50 fee to register a domain name with their DNS servers (to point hostnames towards your static IP addresses on their DNS servers) and you can run a mail server at home, with a fall back to their mail server in case your DSL line goes down, like for example if your son unplugs your phone cord.;) I suspect it costs a bit more than some other ISP's but I'm not sure as I havn't shopped around after signing up with them. - Gaetano Mike Russell wrote: > I always liked easystreet.com you always get what you pay for with them. > > At 05:04 PM 4/27/02, you wrote: > >> I just bought a house that is qualified to get DSL up >> near PCC. I'm wondering what is a good provider to >> use. Specifically, I'm looking to run my own >> webserver, email, dns primary, etc. I used to do this >> in Indiana with Verizon, but that was back in the days >> when they would give you a static IP and had >> reasonable service (read: they left you alone). If >> could also provide a link to their website when you do >> make a suggestion. Thanks a lot. >> >> ===== >> -Brian Grell >> 'Clothes make the man, naked people have little or no influence on >> society' >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness >> http://health.yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PLUG mailing list >> PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From sandbox at pacifier.com Sun Apr 28 03:51:18 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:51:18 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] PLUG FAQ ? Message-ID: <3CCB71B6.4070005@pacifier.com> Anyone working on one? I just this second started re: dsl providers, isps. Don't want to duplicate effort, but if there's no maintainer-in-hiding, I'm up. Soliciting subjects. Will search the archives for "should be in faq"... Cheers, Kyle Accardi From kens at cad2cam.com Sun Apr 28 03:54:32 2002 From: kens at cad2cam.com (Kenneth G. Stephens) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:54:32 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] CGI Scripts In-Reply-To: <200204261533.19484.alan@clueserver.org> Message-ID: The permission on the cgi-bin directory should allow the apache user permission to execute the script. The apache user is either nobody or apache depending on your distribution. You can do this various ways, but two of them is either change the owner of the script to the apache user or change the group of the script to the group the apache user is in. Make the directory r-xr-x--- apache apache . . . As to working with the scipts you can su to the apache user and do your work, or change the owner, work, change it back for testing. As for writing to the disk you can manage that with permissions, too, if you remember who is executing the program. Use the http.conf file to configure you directories. You can use the .htaccess file, but if you are writing to a directory some wise guy will overwrite the file. That is, of course, if you had not set the permissions to read-only before you opened your server. > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Alan > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 3:33 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org; Bill Spears > Subject: Re: [PLUG] CGI Scripts > > > On Friday 26 April 2002 11:45 am, Bill Spears wrote: > > How does one usually set up directory permissions for running > CGI scripts? > > I have scripts that need to read and write files: html > templates, pdf files > > etc. Is it Ok to make cgi-bin world read writable, or is that > a horrible > > security mistake? > > Mind-blowingly bad mistake. > > Create a data area that is writable and then make that area > non-executable for > scripts with /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf. > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From briand at aracnet.com Sun Apr 28 04:30:25 2002 From: briand at aracnet.com (briand at aracnet.com) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:30:25 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] PLUG FAQ ? In-Reply-To: <3CCB71B6.4070005@pacifier.com> References: <3CCB71B6.4070005@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <15563.31457.965477.164437@soggy.deldotd.com> How about : which linux distribution is best ? Brian >>>>> "Kyle" == Kyle Accardi writes: Kyle> Anyone working on one? I just this second started re: dsl Kyle> providers, isps. Don't want to duplicate effort, but if Kyle> there's no maintainer-in-hiding, I'm up. Kyle> Soliciting subjects. Will search the archives for "should be Kyle> in faq"... Kyle> Cheers, Kyle Accardi Kyle> _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing Kyle> list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org Kyle> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From tk-plug at perljam.net Sun Apr 28 04:36:35 2002 From: tk-plug at perljam.net (T) Date: 27 Apr 2002 21:36:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Helpdesk software Message-ID: <1019968596.13071.53.camel@Dustpuppy> Hi all, Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of a good helpdesk software package? Free or cheap is best, although if the features warrant it, I may be able to push a P.O. through. I'm afraid I don't yet know everything that I may need (although inventory & issue tracking are at the top of the list). If I wind up getting this job, I'll be going into a company that doesn't yet have anything like this, so I'm hoping to set that up as one of the 1st things I do. (As you can probably see, I'm trying to get a jump on things so I can "hit the ground running" if they do decide to bring me aboard. Perhaps I'm being premature, but I'd rather err in this direction.) I've tried using Google to search the PLUG archives, but I've not yet found anything useful. Many thanks, TK -- "To know recursion, you must first know recursion" From airneil at dimstar.net Sun Apr 28 04:47:40 2002 From: airneil at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:47:40 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Helpdesk software In-Reply-To: <1019968596.13071.53.camel@Dustpuppy> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020427214456.02b7dc60@mail.localnet.dimstar.net> I use Request Tracker at work. It run (in one instance) 3 helpdesks and our customer support ticketing system. It supports various dbs, including mySQL and Postgres. It's at http://fsck.com/projects/rt/ At 09:36 PM 4/27/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all, > > Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of a good >helpdesk software package? Free or cheap is best, although if the >features warrant it, I may be able to push a P.O. through. I'm afraid I >don't yet know everything that I may need (although inventory & issue >tracking are at the top of the list). Russ Johnson Stargate Online http://www.dimstar.net telnet://telnet.dimstar.net ICQ: 3739685 It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle From tk-plug at perljam.net Sun Apr 28 05:12:39 2002 From: tk-plug at perljam.net (T) Date: 27 Apr 2002 22:12:39 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Helpdesk software Message-ID: <1019970759.13006.65.camel@Dustpuppy> Thanks Russ, I was just looking at that (after removing 'site:plug.skylab.org' from my search restrictions)... Good to hear that someone here is using that successfully. *Thanks* for the feedback! TK On Sat, 2002-04-27 at 21:47, Russ Johnson wrote: > I use Request Tracker at work. It run (in one instance) 3 helpdesks and our > customer support ticketing system. It supports various dbs, including mySQL > and Postgres. It's at http://fsck.com/projects/rt/ > > At 09:36 PM 4/27/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi all, > > > > Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of a good > >helpdesk software package? Free or cheap is best, although if the > >features warrant it, I may be able to push a P.O. through. I'm afraid I > >don't yet know everything that I may need (although inventory & issue > >tracking are at the top of the list). > > Russ Johnson > Stargate Online TK -- "To know recursion, you must first know recursion" From mikedela at ipns.com Sun Apr 28 06:45:21 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:45:21 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Am I Spam? In-Reply-To: <3CCA1770.5080705@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1Z83D9RM9HFRMEPMD8GBKFYSS64A7.3ccb9a81@miked> Can the source of the warning give you the entire message? I seem to remember that it specifies the source fo the RBL. 4/26/02 8:13:52 PM, Kyle Accardi wrote: >I've been alerted by one list member who is running SpamAssassin that my >posts are identified as being spam. Namely, that my ip is in a RBL and >that I am a "Confirmed Spam Source". > >I've checked 5 or 6 RBL's and have been unable to verify the existence of >my (current) ip in any of them. > >Any other SpamAssassin users seeing this? Or is it a false positive. > >-- >Kyle Accardi > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ---------- Mike De La Mater Mike De La Mater Consulting mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 From wcooley at nakedape.cc Sun Apr 28 06:46:10 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:46:10 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Looking for a good DSL provider In-Reply-To: <20020428000455.831.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com>; from tsavo3997@yahoo.com on Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 05:04:55PM -0700 References: <20020428000455.831.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020427234610.A30462@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Brian on Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 05:04:55PM PDT > I just bought a house that is qualified to get DSL up > near PCC. I'm wondering what is a good provider to > use. Specifically, I'm looking to run my own > webserver, email, dns primary, etc. I used to do this > in Indiana with Verizon, but that was back in the days > when they would give you a static IP and had > reasonable service (read: they left you alone). If > could also provide a link to their website when you do > make a suggestion. Thanks a lot. It isn't clear which PCC campus you're near, but if you're in Verizon territory, we (QCSN) can provide DSL: http://www.qcsn.com/dsl.html We provide a static IP address and no real restrictions, other than asking that you not run commercial sites off it. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Apr 28 07:11:13 2002 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning In-Reply-To: <200204250514.g3P5EBt5021288@mail3.aracnet.com> Message-ID: I'm going to address this thread in a round-about fashion. I want to publicly thank Terry for the work he's done over the last few years. Terry helped found the K12Linux project many years ago (1998?). Among his many contributions, he gave an intro to Linux class at our first big event. Many of the IT managers of schools being audited were there. They remember it. Media frenzy events like the one we just saw are great for raising awareness, but in the big picture it doesn't really make a difference. It's being there year after year, showing progress step by step, that is the driving force behind world dominiation ;-) Paul Nelson and I are working on trying to bridge the gap between the tech community and the needs of schools. I'm pretty much booked for the week, so I don't know if we'll have anything put together for Thursday's PLUG meeting. At the very minimum we can have a short question and answer session at the begining of the meeting. It's the chinese curse: may you live in interesting times! -Eric On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Terry Griffin wrote: >Nicely put. > >I think the two approaches are not entirely incompatible. In the near term, >especially if the schools don't ask for help, there may not be a lot we can >do in the way of direct support. But just to make sure.... > >Someone mentioned a press release. (Sorry, I've lost track of who's who >in all these e-mails.) I picture a press release in the very near future that >pledges PLUG's support of the schools in this matter and states our >willingness to help out. This press release would serve several purposes: > >1. Provide contact information so that if some school districts *do* want to >get some help then at least they'll know who to call. We should not be >insulted if they don't call. Under the circumstances it seems best to let the >schools figure out how to handle the next 60 days. Besides, this is a bad >time of the school year to be overhauling the IT system. These sorts of >things are normally done over the summer. (Notice MS didn't wait until >summer to ask for the audit.) > >2. Put a shot across the bow of the HMS MS (?). > >3. Hopefully get it slashdotted and thereby encourage LUGs in other cites >to get involved with their local schools before this happens to them. I'd love >to see similar press releases coming out other LUGs. To me that would be the >sweetest thing that could happen in the near term. > >It would be really cool if this was a joint press release from several >Northwest LUGs. > >That might be all we can do in this 60-day period. Then we have to look at the >longer term where we transition from being just volunteers to being >advocates, pressing the point to decision makers that open source is their >path out from under the obnoxious monopoly from the North. Along with this >advocacy, we also have to solve the practical problem of finding a suitable >Linux application for every Windows application that is used in the schools. >This could take several years, and in fact it may be that there will always >be some percentage of Windows boxes in the schools, which is probably okay >as long as the end result is that Windows becomes an option instead of a >necessity. Then MS will have be polite. > >Terry > >On Wednesday 24 April 2002 09:47 am, sendai wrote: >> Ok, here is a general outline of what I see happening here. >> >> We appear to have two groups represented here. One group feels that we >> should take a passive approach, slowly building a case and finding our own >> support where we can. This group feels that the audit will likely happen >> and there is nothing we can do about that and I am inclined to agree. We >> are dealing with an administration and nothing gets done quickly. This is >> why Microsoft gave them so little time to meet their demands. They know >> that there is insufficient time for an alternative to be planned and >> implemented. >> >> The other group wants to take an active approach, get in now and make the >> changes and force the public to take notice and hopefully provide support. >> They realize that something must begin now and that waiting will only work >> against us. I agree with this. Once the school districts have MS in their >> budget it will take alot more work to get it out. >> >> What we need is a merging of these attitudes. The more organized and >> methodical of a front we can present to the public the more likely we are >> to get support. RedHat has already stated in response to the USDOJ vs. >> Microsoft proposed settlement that would offer software and support to >> schools if MS would provide hardware. There is a good chance that we could >> get them to make this same agreement with us. That would give us the >> corporate support needed to be taken seriously. >> >> This is not just about MS vs. Linux it is about acountability for our tax >> dollars as well. A friend of mine is a teacher for a PSD school that >> cannot afford new books so they are forced to share books that are >> literally falling apart and missing pages. They don't have any workbooks. >> The computers and software are grossly outdated, half the time the printers >> are down, which is a big deal when you don't have workbooks. The money >> that should be spent buying them decent books and workbooks and upgrading >> to reasonable hardware is being spent instead on MS. This is wrong. The >> schools exist to provide an education not support a monopoly when there is >> a more affordable, viable alternative. This is offensive not only to the >> parents with children in these schools, but to the public who is paying for >> something they are not getting. >> >> The easiest solution to this is to work with the K12Linux project since >> they have the resources in place already. However, if they are not >> interested in a more active approach then now is the time to start >> something else. Dylan just mentioned that he could write a good press >> release and mount a PR campaign. We need this kind of support since the >> public is our best ally. If they support us then the schools will have to >> do the right thing. I will be attempting to open preliminary talks with >> RedHat this afternoon, so the sooner we get together and discuss this the >> better. What is best for everyone as far as times and meeting places? Can >> I assume tomorrow is too soon? Let me know and we will work on a location. >> This will be very informal and just a means to get our ideas together and >> decide what direction to go. If we could get a representative from the >> K12Linux project to come it would be very good. Many of the statements in >> this email may be incorrect or poorly founded, but that is why we need a >> meeting. Let's get this going. >> >> Nick Iglehart >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org >> [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of david may >> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:53 AM >> To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org >> Subject: [PLUG] Coordination and Planning >> >> >> I think what is necessary right now is a framework. A commons. >> Build it and they will come. >> Leadership will emerge from that. And it very likely will >> not be from the ranks of Geekdom. >> >> The eductional community needs to be part of the process, not >> simply "targets" or a linux vs MS battlefield. >> >> I see the linux community as the engineers that "make it go". >> But we are often too easily caught up in the mechanics to be >> very good leaders. >> >> But "we can make it go" a lot better than the rest :-) >> >> davud >> >> >>>>> "Dylan" == Dylan Reinhardt writes: >> >> Dylan> Normally, a "do what you want" approach seems to produce >> Dylan> good results in Open Source / Free Software projects. >> >> Dylan> But we aren't tweaking a kernel here. Responding to >> Dylan> Microsoft's threat will require coordination, a plan, and >> Dylan> most of all *leadership*. >> >> Dylan> That's because we're talking about existing organizations >> Dylan> with existing plans and resources already deployed. Having >> Dylan> a bunch of volunteers descend on schools and upgrade >> Dylan> computers willy-nilly probably won't be very helpful unless >> Dylan> it's part of a robust plan. Managing 25K installations at >> Dylan> dozens of locations doesn't just happen. >> >> Dylan> I'm willing to give significant time and what skills I >> Dylan> have. So are many people here... but I don't hear anyone >> Dylan> from the schools asking for our help just yet. >> >> Dylan> Absent that request, I would suggest that we turn our >> Dylan> energy toward things like drawing attention to the issue. >> Dylan> MS stands to gain a few million dollars by shaking down >> Dylan> schools? I bet we could cost them at least that much in >> Dylan> bad publicity if we put our heads together. >> >> Dylan> In many ways, it's not really about Portland Public Schools >> Dylan> at all. They are in a really tight spot here, but it's not >> Dylan> as though they aren't already well aware of how to deploy >> Dylan> Linux. The larger audience for our message are schools, >> Dylan> organizations and businesses who think that they can afford >> Dylan> Windoze b/c they are just too small or unprofitable for MS >> Dylan> to bother with license enforcement. Some of these >> Dylan> organizations might hear this story and realize that they >> Dylan> want to start working on a migration plan ASAP. >> >> Dylan> As I said, I would pitch in and help PPS at the drop of a >> Dylan> hat... but only if they want my help. In the mean time, I >> Dylan> wonder if we shouldn't be focusing our energy and outrage >> Dylan> at the larger issues this incident represents. >> >> Dylan> My $0.02... >> >> Dylan> Dylan >> From sandbox at pacifier.com Sun Apr 28 07:14:41 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:14:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Am I Spam? References: <1Z83D9RM9HFRMEPMD8GBKFYSS64A7.3ccb9a81@miked> Message-ID: <3CCBA161.5090206@pacifier.com> Mike De La Mater wrote: > Can the source of the warning give you the entire message? I seem to > remember that it specifies the source fo the RBL. Went a little something like this, SPAM: -------------------- Start SpamAssassin results --------------------- SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. SPAM: SPAM: Content analysis details: (5 hits, 5 required) SPAM: Hit! (2.0 points) Received via a relay in relays.osirusoft.com SPAM: [RBL check: found 1.224.202.207.relays.osirusoft.com., type: 127.0.0.4] SPAM: Hit! (3.0 points) DNSBL: sender is Confirmed Spam Source SPAM: SPAM: -------------------- End of SpamAssassin results -------------------- I went to relays.osirusoft.com and used their search box as well as others. Although headers don't seem to be preserved in the archive, this was the offending message, https://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2002-April/001909.html -- Kyle Accardi From bill at coho.net Sun Apr 28 08:01:48 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Aargh, does anybody know if this new winblows worm causes infected machines to do portscans? Message-ID: My portscan detector has been reporting a ridiculous number of portscans today, over 3000 and all apparently originating on my subnet. Also all broadcast portscans. Coming from a variety of ips, which is what you'd expect if several dozen machines have been infected. I know there's a new winblows bug out there (klez.h or some such), but I haven't found any mention of portscanning as a side effect. Is there some other worm out there? Bill From matchboy at tearitalldown.com Sun Apr 28 10:28:57 2002 From: matchboy at tearitalldown.com (r0bbY) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 03:28:57 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Helpdesk software In-Reply-To: <1019968596.13071.53.camel@Dustpuppy> Message-ID: <000301c1ee9f$8269ff40$fd00a8c0@tearitdown> http://irm.schoenefeld.org/ -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of T Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 9:37 PM To: PLUG list Subject: [PLUG] Helpdesk software Hi all, Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of a good helpdesk software package? Free or cheap is best, although if the features warrant it, I may be able to push a P.O. through. I'm afraid I don't yet know everything that I may need (although inventory & issue tracking are at the top of the list). If I wind up getting this job, I'll be going into a company that doesn't yet have anything like this, so I'm hoping to set that up as one of the 1st things I do. (As you can probably see, I'm trying to get a jump on things so I can "hit the ground running" if they do decide to bring me aboard. Perhaps I'm being premature, but I'd rather err in this direction.) I've tried using Google to search the PLUG archives, but I've not yet found anything useful. Many thanks, TK -- "To know recursion, you must first know recursion" _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From aarghj at yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 15:38:12 2002 From: aarghj at yahoo.com (john morgali) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Aargh, does anybody know if this new winblows worm causes infected machines to do portscans? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020428153812.55393.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> yes, the virus is network capable, and will attempt to find open ports on which to send itself. also, it will infect any mapped drives as well. for full details go to www.symantec.com/avcenter. John Only Slightly Befuddled --- Bill wrote: > My portscan detector has been reporting a ridiculous > number of portscans > today, over 3000 and all apparently originating on > my subnet. Also all > broadcast portscans. Coming from a variety of ips, > which is what you'd > expect if several dozen machines have been infected. > I know there's a new > winblows bug out there (klez.h or some such), but I > haven't found any > mention of portscanning as a side effect. Is there > some other worm > out there? > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From galens at seitzassoc.com Sun Apr 28 15:51:47 2002 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:51:47 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Looking for a good DSL provider In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:04:55 PDT." <20020428000455.831.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200204281551.g3SFplP03788@tinman.seitzassoc.com> tsavo3997 at yahoo.com said: > I just bought a house that is qualified to get DSL up near PCC. I'm > wondering what is a good provider to use. Specifically, I'm looking > to run my own webserver, email, dns primary, etc. I used to do this > in Indiana with Verizon, but that was back in the days when they would > give you a static IP and had reasonable service (read: they left you > alone). If could also provide a link to their website when you do > make a suggestion. Thanks a lot. www.aracnet.com (aka spiritone) is one possibility. galen From merlyn at stonehenge.com Sun Apr 28 15:58:22 2002 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: 28 Apr 2002 08:58:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Rename script References: Message-ID: <86pu0jke75.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Don" == Don Buchholz writes: Don> Add quotes around the two args to mv(1): Don> #!/bin/sh Don> for f in * Don> do Don> newf=`echo $f | sed -e 's/.*_//'` Don> mv "$f" "$newf" Don> done Don> If you have double-quotes (") in the file name, well, all bets are off. And newlines! (Yes, newlines are *legal* in filenames. Caveat Executor.) Perl, of course, handles this stuff with ease, and no whitespace worries. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From m at netpro.to Sun Apr 28 16:56:07 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Helpdesk software In-Reply-To: <000301c1ee9f$8269ff40$fd00a8c0@tearitdown> Message-ID: Here's a good site for ya: http://linas.org/linux/pm.html On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, r0bbY wrote: > http://irm.schoenefeld.org/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of T > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 9:37 PM > To: PLUG list > Subject: [PLUG] Helpdesk software > > Hi all, > > Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of a good > helpdesk software package? Free or cheap is best, although if the > features warrant it, I may be able to push a P.O. through. I'm afraid I > don't yet know everything that I may need (although inventory & issue > tracking are at the top of the list). > > If I wind up getting this job, I'll be going into a company that doesn't > yet have anything like this, so I'm hoping to set that up as one of the > 1st things I do. (As you can probably see, I'm trying to get a jump on > things so I can "hit the ground running" if they do decide to bring me > aboard. Perhaps I'm being premature, but I'd rather err in this > direction.) > > I've tried using Google to search the PLUG archives, but I've not yet > found anything useful. > > Many thanks, > > TK > -- > "To know recursion, you must first know recursion" > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From griffint at pobox.com Sun Apr 28 17:52:35 2002 From: griffint at pobox.com (Terry Griffin) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:52:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] PLUG FAQ ? In-Reply-To: <3CCB71B6.4070005@pacifier.com> References: <3CCB71B6.4070005@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <200204281752.g3SHqaTP018886@mail3.aracnet.com> On Saturday 27 April 2002 08:51 pm, Kyle Accardi wrote: > Anyone working on one? I just this second started re: dsl providers, isps. > Don't want to duplicate effort, but if there's no maintainer-in-hiding, > I'm up. > > Soliciting subjects. Will search the archives for "should be in faq"... > Paul Heinlein wrote something up a year or two ago. I think it was part of the automated introduction when you subscribed on the old list server. Maybe it's still archived somewhere. Terry From sandy at herring.org Sun Apr 28 19:44:46 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:44:46 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Looking for a good DSL provider In-Reply-To: <200204281551.g3SFplP03788@tinman.seitzassoc.com>; from galens@seitzassoc.com on Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 08:51:47AM -0700 References: <20020428000455.831.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <200204281551.g3SFplP03788@tinman.seitzassoc.com> Message-ID: <20020428124446.A4226@kippered.herring.org> On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Galen Seitz wrote: > www.aracnet.com (aka spiritone) is one possibility. Which is what I use. They've had their share of problems in the past (mostly during the transition after they were acquired by Spirit One), but have been running smoothly for many months (no outages that I've noted). DSL pricing is here: http://www.aracnet.com/adsl/adsl_regpricing.html I've got 128k/1.5Mbs, which is perfectly ample for my low traffic web site (http://herring.org/usage/). They have a one-time charge for enabing your virtual domain (some ISPs charge monthly), and no restrictions for reasonable use of NAT and servers on your DSL line. Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy at herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob at euglug.net Sun Apr 28 20:03:26 2002 From: rob at euglug.net (Rob Hudson) Date: 28 Apr 2002 13:03:26 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] postfix and virtuals Message-ID: <1020024204.15530.3.camel@fuggles> I've got my virtuals set so that any email coming to my domain that doesn't have an assigned user, goes to me. (I've got a "@domain.com rob" at the bottom of my virtuals file) I recently started getting spam on a certain name at domain.com address, and I'd like this to bounce back. Is there a way to tell postfix to bounce that address, but let others thru? Thanks, Rob From barryb at proaxis.com Sun Apr 28 20:10:34 2002 From: barryb at proaxis.com (Bill Barry) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:10:34 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Help: 1. Foomatic In-Reply-To: ; from jeme@brelin.net on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 04:56:10PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20020428131034.A5400@edge> I just ran up against this same problem printing pdf files from a RH7.2 box I am administering for my sister. You need a magicfilter rule which I called /usr/share/printconf/mf_rules/mf40-pdf2ps_filters containing the following # Filter PDFs to PostScript /PDF/ fpipe/postscript/ /usr/bin/pdf2ps $FILE - Bill On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 04:56:10PM -0800, Jeme A Brelin wrote: > > I ended up administering a box for a friend's mother. Long story. I > don't really mind doing it, but I'm having a couple of problems. > > First, I can't seem to print PDFs with lp. I'm using LPRng and foomatic. > > `lp file.pdf` puts the file in the queue and nothing ever happens. I look > at /var/spool/lpd//status.pr and it appears as though the > print job has run fine, but nothing shows up at the printer. I can't seem > to find anything in the logs that indicate something has happened other > than successful printing. It even appears to do the postscript > conversion. > > `pdf2ps file.pdf - | lp` works fine. > > > Any help would be appreciated. The following is the status.pr for a > single print of the Acrobat license PDF from the command line: > > waiting for subserver to exit at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.247 ## A= number=0 process=8948 > subserver pid 8949 starting at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.250 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > accounting at start at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.250 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > opening device '/dev/lp0' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.250 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > printing job 'root at other+947' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.251 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > processing 'dfA947other', size 9067, format 'f', IF filter 'lpdomatic' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.251 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'Lpdomatic backend version $Revision: 2.2 $ running...' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.311 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '/usr/sbin/lpdomatic: called with arguments: '--lprng','-J/usr/local/Acrobat4/Reader/License.pdf','/etc/foomatic/lpd/esc80.lom'' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.311 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '/usr/sbin/lpdomatic: af=/etc/foomatic/lpd/esc80.lom' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.311 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'Seaerching job for option settings ...' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.344 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '/usr/sbin/lpdomatic: options: ''' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.350 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.351 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.351 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.352 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.352 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.352 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.352 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.352 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.352 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.353 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.353 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.353 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.353 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.353 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.354 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.354 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'prepending: <>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.354 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '/usr/sbin/lpdomatic: running: gs -q -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=stp -sModel=escp2-c80 -sOutputFile=- -' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.355 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '/usr/sbin/lpdomatic: ascii job' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.355 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '/usr/sbin/lpdomatic: prepended:' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.358 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'gs PID pid2=8953' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.361 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.364 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.364 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.364 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.364 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.364 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.364 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.364 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.364 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.364 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.365 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.365 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.365 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.365 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.365 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.365 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - '<>setpagedevice' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.365 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'setting STDOUT to be *main::KID3 and spawning a2ps -1 --medium=Letter --center-title="/usr/local/Acrobat4/Reader/License.pdf" -o - 2>/dev/null' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.365 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'foomatic-gswrapper: gs '-dSAFER' '-dNOPAUSE' '-dBATCH' '-sDEVICE=stp' '-sModel=escp2-c80' '-sOutputFile=/dev/fd/3' '-' 3>&1 1>&2' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.389 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'GNU Ghostscript 6.53 (2002-02-13)' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.435 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'Copyright (C) 2002 artofcode LLC, Benicia, CA. All rights reserved.' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.435 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file COPYING for details.' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.435 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'tail process done writing data to *main::STDOUT' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.711 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'KID4 finished' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.711 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'KID3 finished' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.711 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'KID1 finished' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.711 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'root process done writing job data in' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.711 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter msg - 'Main process finished' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.711 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > IF filter 'lpdomatic' filter finished at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.711 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > printing finished at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.711 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > accounting at end at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.712 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > finished 'root at other+947', status 'JSUCC' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.712 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8949 > subserver pid 8949 exit status 'JSUCC' at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.713 ## A= number=0 process=8948 > esc80 at other: job 'root at other+947' printed at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.713 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8948 > job 'root at other+947' saved at 2002-03-25-16:53:11.713 ## A=root at other+947 number=947 process=8948 > > -- > ----------------- > Jeme A Brelin > jeme at brelin.net > ----------------- > [cc] counter-copyright > http://www.openlaw.org > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Sun Apr 28 21:18:56 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:18:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 Message-ID: As a Linux newbie (2 years of frustration now) I decided to try the new SuSE 8.0 distribution. I last tried SuSE 7.2 and found it the best Linux I had ever used, but gave it up for Red Hat 7.2 because I could not get it to work right with my network, and standard Linux commands never worked right. The configuration menus were a real pain too. So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. Weird though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie would normally use by default, so I choose them individually. Among them Netscape 6.2, CD burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though Mozilla browser is there, by default they leave out the mail program!?). I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a science now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In Red Hat my modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes as far as /S3 and even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No amount of experimenting with settings was able to produce a recognizable modem. I went through every listed setting. So no internet access. I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, but found it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have ever (not been able to) use(d). It also detected my scanner automatically, but whenever I click on anything to do with the scanner, nothing happens. At least with Red Hat, it scans an image, lets me look at it, and then refuses to save it! SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts and menus are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like wasting time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can ever be and I will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it might, God willing, detect the modem next time. Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the school districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I now am spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft provides an operating system that actually works right out of the box. As my tolerance for pain increases in the following weeks I'll be back here asking more questions as I enter week 6 of trying to get Red Hat Linux Samba to work, as well as CD burning, scanning, and font adjustment. Robert From steve at wirex.net Sun Apr 28 21:37:50 2002 From: steve at wirex.net (Steve Beattie) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:37:50 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] PGP key verification question In-Reply-To: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B15A@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B15A@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> Message-ID: <20020428213749.GA28337@wirex.net> On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 10:39:44AM -0700, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > From: Wil Cooley [mailto:wcooley at nakedape.cc] > > Can you? It's not documented in the man page, but I've wondered > > about it for a while. Do you have multiple lines of 'keyserver' > > or multiple servers listed on one line? > > I just added another keyserver line. > > DISCLAIMER: > I was aware that Wil's PGP sigs weren't being verified. Then I saw > his response to Bruce's question. Hmmm, different keyservers. Quickly > added the line and now I can verify both sets of signatures/keys. Didn't > check the docs, didn't read the HOWTOs, just glanced at the file, > thought the format was the same as /etc/resolv.conf and gave it a whirl. > > YMMV. Hmm, it didn't appear to work for me. When I added "keyserver certserver.pgp.com" to my .gnupg/options file, gpg (appears to anyway) only pull from the last one specified. For example, I tried to verify a recent message sent to the CRIME list. The first time I read it, it said it couldn't find the key on certserver.pgp.com. Then I commented that line out, and the next time I read it, it was able to pull the key [1] from wwwkeys.us.pgp.net (my default keyserver). Gnupg 1.0.6, FWIW. [1] Well, a key, anyway. The message didn't verify correctly for me. :-) -- Steve Beattie Don't trust programmers? Complete StackGuard distro at http://NxNW.org/~steve/ immunix.org http://www.personaltelco.net -- overthrowing QWest, one block at a time. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From roger.vanderveen at teleport.com Sun Apr 28 21:37:08 2002 From: roger.vanderveen at teleport.com (RBV) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:37:08 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Setting up XFree86 with SiS 6326 References: <1012286630.1328.9.camel@reepicheep> <20020129145022.E12018@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <3C5E2367.5060106@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <3CCC6B84.7DAFE877@teleport.com> I recently installed XFree86 4.0.1, and used the X configurator to generate XF86Config, but the resulting configuration has lots of problems. I'm using a SiS 6326 card. The only way I can run X in a usable state is by keeping to 8-bit mode; even then the cursor appears only as a square filled with random B/W pixels, and after a while of running X, rectangular chunks of windows start appearing in weird places, and I finally have to shut it down. Below is the XF86Config file. If anyone has any suggestions, I would love to hear them. (BTW, this is the machine that I wanted to bring to the Linux Clinic last Saturday, which was cancelled.) Thanks Roger Vanderveen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Section "Module" Load "dbe" # Double buffer extension SubSection "extmod" Option "omit xfree86-dga" # don't initialise the DGA extension EndSubSection Load "type1" Load "freetype" EndSection Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard1" Driver "Keyboard" Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc101" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse1" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "PS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" Option "Emulate3Buttons" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "multisync95" HorizSync 31.0-96.0 VertRefresh 55-160 EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "sis6326" Driver "sis" VideoRam 8192 # Option "no_accel" # Use this if acceleration is causing problems # Option "fifo_moderate" # Option "fifo_conserv" # Option "fifo_aggresive" # Option "fast_vram" # Option "pci_burst_on" # Option "xaa_benchmark" # DON'T use with "ext_eng_queue" !!! # Option "ext_eng_queue" # Turbo-queue. This can cause drawing # errors, but gives some accel # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen 1" Device "sis6326" Monitor "multisync95" DefaultDepth 8 Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Simple Layout" Screen "Screen 1" InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection From mikedela at ipns.com Sun Apr 28 22:04:58 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:04:58 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm sorry to hear about your poor ecperineces with Linux. It took me quite a while to get any good at installing it, too. There is a lot of things that good installations depend on, and I made/make them too. The sesktop is the hardest place to make it install well. I have had great experiences with it on a laptop even, so I know the later distros can go well. If you've got specific problems, please be sure to post your issues right away, and that could reduce the frustration factor, it does for me. Once in a while I get trashed by someone who knows that the answer is in the man page, but not often. Hang in there, it's worth it. Not only do you get a great OS, but it's free, M$ doesn"t profit from it AND you'll be able to help others switch over to an OS that doesn't require you to just shut it all down to see how fast the machine will reboot... Mike 4/28/02 2:18:56 PM, Robert wrote: >As a Linux newbie (2 years of frustration now) I decided to try the new >SuSE 8.0 distribution. I last tried SuSE 7.2 and found it the best Linux I >had ever used, but gave it up for Red Hat 7.2 because I could not get it to >work right with my network, and standard Linux commands never worked right. >The configuration menus were a real pain too. > >So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. Weird >though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie would normally >use by default, so I choose them individually. Among them Netscape 6.2, CD >burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though Mozilla browser is there, >by default they leave out the mail program!?). > >I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a science >now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In Red Hat my >modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes as far as /S3 and >even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No amount of experimenting >with settings was able to produce a recognizable modem. I went through >every listed setting. So no internet access. > >I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, but found >it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have ever (not >been able to) use(d). It also detected my scanner automatically, but >whenever I click on anything to do with the scanner, nothing happens. At >least with Red Hat, it scans an image, lets me look at it, and then refuses >to save it! > >SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts and menus >are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like wasting >time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can ever be and I >will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it might, God willing, >detect the modem next time. > >Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the school >districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I now am >spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft provides an >operating system that actually works right out of the box. > >As my tolerance for pain increases in the following weeks I'll be back here >asking more questions as I enter week 6 of trying to get Red Hat Linux >Samba to work, as well as CD burning, scanning, and font adjustment. > >Robert > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ---------- Mike De La Mater Mike De La Mater Consulting mikedela at ipns.com 503-702-6749 From aschlemm at attbi.com Sun Apr 28 22:06:39 2002 From: aschlemm at attbi.com (Anthony Schlemmer) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:06:39 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020428220640.WYLF25242.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@there> Do you really mean /dev/tty/S4? or /dev/ttyS4? I have a running SuSE 7.2 system and the devices run /dev/ttyS0 through /dev/ttyS23. There is no /dev/tty/S4 unless this is some new Linux Standard's Base thing that newer versions of SuSE have adopted. I've got a copy of SuSE 8.0 on order but I haven't received it yet. Tony On Sunday 28 April 2002 14:18 pm, you wrote: > As a Linux newbie (2 years of frustration now) I decided to try the > new SuSE 8.0 distribution. I last tried SuSE 7.2 and found it the > best Linux I had ever used, but gave it up for Red Hat 7.2 because I > could not get it to work right with my network, and standard Linux > commands never worked right. The configuration menus were a real pain > too. > > So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. > Weird though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie > would normally use by default, so I choose them individually. Among > them Netscape 6.2, CD burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though > Mozilla browser is there, by default they leave out the mail > program!?). > > I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a > science now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In > Red Hat my modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes > as far as /S3 and even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No > amount of experimenting with settings was able to produce a > recognizable modem. I went through every listed setting. So no > internet access. > > I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, but > found it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have > ever (not been able to) use(d). It also detected my scanner > automatically, but whenever I click on anything to do with the > scanner, nothing happens. At least with Red Hat, it scans an image, > lets me look at it, and then refuses to save it! > > SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts and > menus are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like > wasting time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can > ever be and I will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it > might, God willing, detect the modem next time. > > Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the school > districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I > now am spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft > provides an operating system that actually works right out of the > box. > > As my tolerance for pain increases in the following weeks I'll be > back here asking more questions as I enter week 6 of trying to get > Red Hat Linux Samba to work, as well as CD burning, scanning, and > font adjustment. > > Robert > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Anthony Schlemmer aschlemm at attbi.com >>>>This machine was last rebooted: 14 days 1:12 hours ago<< From bspears at easystreet.com Sun Apr 28 22:19:25 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:19:25 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] CGI Scripts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200204282213.g3SMDVj29535@smtp.easystreet.com> On Saturday 27 April 2002 08:54 pm, you wrote: > The permission on the cgi-bin directory should allow the apache user > permission to execute the script. The apache user is either nobody or > apache depending on your distribution. You can do this various ways, but > two of them is either change the owner of the script to the apache user or > change the group of the script to the group the apache user is in. Make > the directory r-xr-x--- apache apache . . . Good advice, everything still works. As to working with the scipts > you can su to the apache user and do your work, or change the owner, work, > change it back for testing. Maybe something I don't understand about su. When I went from root to apace with su, it still identified me as root, not that it matters much > > As for writing to the disk you can manage that with permissions, too, if > you remember who is executing the program. Use the http.conf file to > configure you directories. You mean something like this: Options +ExecCGI >You can use the .htaccess file, but if you are > writing to a directory some wise guy will overwrite the file. Don't follow this. I'll be composing tex files and converting them to pdf. Should I do that in some directory owned by apache marked: rw-rw----? It is true isn't it that dirctories outside the directory root tree will not be served up by apache. Suppose typical html files are in html, which is owned by apache and marked r-xr-x---, how can a script executing as apache write a pdf file there? From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Sun Apr 28 22:25:46 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:25:46 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 References: Message-ID: It was /dev/ttyS4. I added the / when I posted. Robert "Anthony Schlemmer" wrote in message news:mailman.1020031702.28445.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > Do you really mean /dev/tty/S4? or /dev/ttyS4? I have a running SuSE > 7.2 system and the devices run /dev/ttyS0 through /dev/ttyS23. There is > no /dev/tty/S4 unless this is some new Linux Standard's Base thing that > newer versions of SuSE have adopted. I've got a copy of SuSE 8.0 on > order but I haven't received it yet. > > Tony > > On Sunday 28 April 2002 14:18 pm, you wrote: > > As a Linux newbie (2 years of frustration now) I decided to try the > > new SuSE 8.0 distribution. I last tried SuSE 7.2 and found it the > > best Linux I had ever used, but gave it up for Red Hat 7.2 because I > > could not get it to work right with my network, and standard Linux > > commands never worked right. The configuration menus were a real pain > > too. > > > > So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. > > Weird though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie > > would normally use by default, so I choose them individually. Among > > them Netscape 6.2, CD burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though > > Mozilla browser is there, by default they leave out the mail > > program!?). > > > > I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a > > science now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In > > Red Hat my modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes > > as far as /S3 and even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No > > amount of experimenting with settings was able to produce a > > recognizable modem. I went through every listed setting. So no > > internet access. > > > > I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, but > > found it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have > > ever (not been able to) use(d). It also detected my scanner > > automatically, but whenever I click on anything to do with the > > scanner, nothing happens. At least with Red Hat, it scans an image, > > lets me look at it, and then refuses to save it! > > > > SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts and > > menus are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like > > wasting time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can > > ever be and I will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it > > might, God willing, detect the modem next time. > > > > Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the school > > districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I > > now am spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft > > provides an operating system that actually works right out of the > > box. > > > > As my tolerance for pain increases in the following weeks I'll be > > back here asking more questions as I enter week 6 of trying to get > > Red Hat Linux Samba to work, as well as CD burning, scanning, and > > font adjustment. > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- > Anthony Schlemmer > aschlemm at attbi.com > >>>>This machine was last rebooted: 14 days 1:12 hours ago<< > From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Sun Apr 28 22:30:42 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:30:42 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] KNode Question Message-ID: When I look at this newsgroup in KNode the older messages are no longer available, even though I accessed them before. I have all the settings set to save messages for 5000 days, so I would expect them to be there. In W2K OE 6 I still have all the messages. Robert From kens at cad2cam.com Sun Apr 28 22:46:53 2002 From: kens at cad2cam.com (Kenneth G. Stephens) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:46:53 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] CGI Scripts In-Reply-To: <200204282213.g3SMDVj29535@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: > > As for writing to the disk you can manage that with permissions, too, if > > you remember who is executing the program. Use the http.conf file to > > configure you directories. > You mean something like this: > > Options +ExecCGI > > Yes. > >You can use the .htaccess file, but if you are > > writing to a directory some wise guy will overwrite the file. > Don't follow this. > Maybe I was exagerating a bit. > I'll be composing tex files and converting them to pdf. Should I > do that in > some directory owned by apache marked: rw-rw----? It is true > isn't it that > dirctories outside the directory root tree will not be served up > by apache. > You can get out of the tree by creating links to other places. > Suppose typical html files are in html, which is owned by apache > and marked > r-xr-x---, how can a script executing as apache write a pdf file there? > Bingo. You will need to change the directory permission to drwxr-x---. > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From revans at e-z.net Sun Apr 28 23:00:45 2002 From: revans at e-z.net (Russell Evans) Date: 28 Apr 2002 16:00:45 PDT Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020428225933.YXYT25242.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@downtown> On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:18:56 -0700, Robert said: > > So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. Weird > though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie would normally > use by default, so I choose them individually. Among them Netscape 6.2, CD > burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though Mozilla browser is there, > by default they leave out the mail program!?). SuSE 8.0 default install with office assumes you will use KDE 3.0 and that comes with Konqueror and Kmail. The reason Mozilla is installed is so that you can chose to use the geeko engine if you like and the mozilla plugins. Netscape 6.2 is really Mozilla with marketing. > > I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a science > now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In Red Hat my > modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes as far as /S3 and > even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No amount of experimenting > with settings was able to produce a recognizable modem. I went through > every listed setting. So no internet access. > As noted in other posts, you seem to be making some mistake in posting or configuration. In Yast2 that is a hardware icon that will probe your hardware and give you a very nice read out. You can use this to find your modem settings. > I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, but found > it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have ever (not > been able to) use(d). As you don't say what CDBurner program you are using there isn't anyway to know what your issue is. I assume you read the manual on setting up an IDE cdrom, if you are using one. The SuSE manual is one of the best parts of the distribution. At $40 a crack, I would get my money's worth and read it. > It also detected my scanner automatically, but > whenever I click on anything to do with the scanner, nothing happens. At > least with Red Hat, it scans an image, lets me look at it, and then refuses > to save it! Click, click, click, and nothing happens. I assume you're venting frustration here and not really looking for help. If you are looking for help, some more information will be needed. > > SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts and menus > are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like wasting > time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can ever be and I > will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it might, God willing, > detect the modem next time. I think you will be wasting your time reinstalling in hopes of finding your modem. Since you bought the distribution you should use the install support that came with it. I have found the SuSE support helpful and timely in the two cases were I needed it. > > Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the school > districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I now am > spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft provides an > operating system that actually works right out of the box. > What this really means, is that Mircosoft had the money, or market share to make the hardware vendor supply the hardware documentation or write a driver that worked. Linux has neither and so hardware support is not universal and sometimes even the best installer fails on supported hardware. We all have bad installs. I spent Friday night trying to Win2K on a box and that install was unsuccessful. The box would take Win98se and XP but not W2K. I of course, bought W2k for it, not either of the others, so I was very unhappy. What can you do? Relax and make lemonade is all. Thank you Russell From bspears at easystreet.com Sun Apr 28 23:21:52 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:21:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Help: 1. Foomatic In-Reply-To: <20020428131034.A5400@edge> References: <20020428131034.A5400@edge> Message-ID: <200204282315.g3SNFwj00112@smtp.easystreet.com> On Sunday 28 April 2002 01:10 pm, you wrote: > I just ran up against this same problem printing pdf files > from a RH7.2 box I am administering for my sister. You need > a magicfilter rule which I called > /usr/share/printconf/mf_rules/mf40-pdf2ps_filters > containing the following > > # Filter PDFs to PostScript > /PDF/ fpipe/postscript/ /usr/bin/pdf2ps $FILE - > > Bill I've had another problem: When I print from kdvi it doesn't print the top of the page. Same if I use dvips. Does this ring any bells? From aschlemm at attbi.com Mon Apr 29 00:29:32 2002 From: aschlemm at attbi.com (Anthony Schlemmer) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:29:32 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] KNode Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020429002932.DLBC8969.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@there> Is there a chance that Knode only download's the message headers and doesn't actually download the message content until you select a message to read? I used to see this same behavior with KNode all of the time with @Home as they seemed to expire messages after about 1 week on their news server. Tony On Sunday 28 April 2002 15:30 pm, you wrote: > When I look at this newsgroup in KNode the older messages are no > longer available, even though I accessed them before. I have all the > settings set to save messages for 5000 days, so I would expect them > to be there. > > In W2K OE 6 I still have all the messages. > > Robert > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Anthony Schlemmer aschlemm at attbi.com >>>>This machine was last rebooted: 14 days 3:35 hours ago<< From roger.vanderveen at teleport.com Mon Apr 29 00:30:43 2002 From: roger.vanderveen at teleport.com (RBV) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:30:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Setting up XFree86 with SiS 6326 References: Message-ID: <3CCC9433.BD6A5D58@teleport.com> (Last time I tried to send this, Netscape "base64'd" it, so I'm trying it again as plain text.) I recently installed XFree86 4.0.1, and used the X configurator to generate XF86Config, but the resulting configuration has lots of problems. I'm using a SiS 6326 card. The only way I can run X in a usable state is by keeping to 8-bit mode; even then the cursor appears only as a square filled with random B/W pixels, and after a while of running X, rectangular chunks of windows start appearing in weird places, and I finally have to shut it down. Below is the XF86Config file. If anyone has any suggestions, I would love to hear them. (BTW, this is the machine that I wanted to bring to the Linux Clinic last Saturday, which was cancelled.) Thanks Roger Vanderveen ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Section "Module" Load "dbe" # Double buffer extension SubSection "extmod" Option "omit xfree86-dga" # don't initialise the DGA extension EndSubSection Load "type1" Load "freetype" EndSection Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard1" Driver "Keyboard" Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc101" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse1" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "PS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" Option "Emulate3Buttons" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "multisync95" HorizSync 31.0-96.0 VertRefresh 55-160 EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "sis6326" Driver "sis" VideoRam 8192 # Option "no_accel" # Use this if acceleration is causing problems # Option "fifo_moderate" # Option "fifo_conserv" # Option "fifo_aggresive" # Option "fast_vram" # Option "pci_burst_on" # Option "xaa_benchmark" # DON'T use with "ext_eng_queue" !!! # Option "ext_eng_queue" # Turbo-queue. This can cause drawing # errors, but gives some accel # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen 1" Device "sis6326" Monitor "multisync95" DefaultDepth 8 Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Simple Layout" Screen "Screen 1" InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Mon Apr 29 00:39:10 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:39:10 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 References: Message-ID: The trouble with posting more details is I could spend all day writing down error messages or steps I took to get nowhere. After hours of frustration with Linux I do what most people do and give up. More people have tried Linux then stick with it. The last thing I will do after a few late night hours of frustration while trying to scan a picture is log onto a newsgroup. I went to bed instead. The next night I scanned in Windows 98 and thanked God for Bill Gates. I also put Linux away for a month. I did spend some more time with SuSE 8.0, nearly 6 hours now, and I now say it is the absolute worst Linux I have ever used. It absolutely refuses to detect my modem, refuses to link up with my network printer, and is generally useless. In my opinion it is a degraded version of 7.2. Since the older version worked fine with my computer modem and the new version can't even detect it, what else am I supposed to say? I like Debian much better. It refused to install on my computer so I never wasted hours trying to configure it. SuSE should have had the grace to do the same. As for SuSE help, one of the things that made me go to Red Hat 7.2 was that after months of trying to get SuSE 7.2 to work with my network, I decided that instead of just reading portions here and there of the supplied "SuSE Linux 7.2 Network" book, I would read it from the beginning, cover to cover. In the beginning I found the following description of the book: "Although installation support is extensive, any network setup is not included." In other words, it a damn book on theory, not actual practice. It lacks actual setup procedures for networks. I should have known better than spend any more money on 8.0 or waste my time trying to set it up. Most people just give up. I stuck it out with Linux, and get frustrated as hell trying to get it to work. If I was doing it all for fun I could probably post every error message or click that did nothing. But I was relying on it, making it all the more frustrating when it doesn't work. I am putting Linux away now. I am not sure when I will want to boot into it again. I am limiting myself to Windows for the rest of the day so I can have a restful nights sleep. Linux will have to wait a few weeks or until I get some fresh enthusiasm. Robert "Russell Evans" wrote in message news:mailman.1020034882.30869.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:18:56 -0700, Robert said: > > > > > So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. Weird > > though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie would normally > > use by default, so I choose them individually. Among them Netscape 6.2, CD > > burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though Mozilla browser is there, > > by default they leave out the mail program!?). > > SuSE 8.0 default install with office assumes you will use KDE 3.0 and that > comes with Konqueror and Kmail. The reason Mozilla is installed is so that you > can chose to use the geeko engine if you like and the mozilla plugins. Netscape > 6.2 is really Mozilla with marketing. > > > > > > I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a science > > now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In Red Hat my > > modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes as far as /S3 and > > even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No amount of experimenting > > with settings was able to produce a recognizable modem. I went through > > every listed setting. So no internet access. > > > > As noted in other posts, you seem to be making some mistake in posting or > configuration. In Yast2 that is a hardware icon that will probe your hardware > and give you a very nice read out. You can use this to find your modem > settings. > > > I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, but found > > it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have ever (not > > been able to) use(d). > > As you don't say what CDBurner program you are using there isn't anyway to know > what your issue is. I assume you read the manual on setting up an IDE cdrom, if > you are using one. The SuSE manual is one of the best parts of the > distribution. At $40 a crack, I would get my money's worth and read it. > > > > It also detected my scanner automatically, but > > whenever I click on anything to do with the scanner, nothing happens. At > > least with Red Hat, it scans an image, lets me look at it, and then refuses > > to save it! > > Click, click, click, and nothing happens. I assume you're venting frustration > here and not really looking for help. If you are looking for help, some more > information will be needed. > > > > > > SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts and menus > > are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like wasting > > time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can ever be and I > > will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it might, God willing, > > detect the modem next time. > > I think you will be wasting your time reinstalling in hopes of finding your > modem. Since you bought the distribution you should use the install support > that came with it. I have found the SuSE support helpful and timely in the two > cases were I needed it. > > > > > > Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the school > > districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I now am > > spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft provides an > > operating system that actually works right out of the box. > > > > What this really means, is that Mircosoft had the money, or market share to > make the hardware vendor supply the hardware documentation or write a driver > that worked. > > Linux has neither and so hardware support is not universal and sometimes even > the best installer fails on supported hardware. > > We all have bad installs. I spent Friday night trying to Win2K on a box and > that install was unsuccessful. The box would take Win98se and XP but not W2K. I > of course, bought W2k for it, not either of the others, so I was very unhappy. > What can you do? Relax and make lemonade is all. > > > Thank you > Russell > > > From m at netpro.to Mon Apr 29 00:45:59 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: +--------------+ | PLEASE | | DO NOT FEED | | THE TROLLS | | --The Mgt.| +------++------+ || o o o || * ,,\|/,,,||,,,/,,, ---+-------------- On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Robert wrote: > The trouble with posting more details is I could spend all day writing down > error messages or steps I took to get nowhere. After hours of frustration > with Linux I do what most people do and give up. More people have tried > Linux then stick with it. The last thing I will do after a few late night > hours of frustration while trying to scan a picture is log onto a newsgroup. > I went to bed instead. The next night I scanned in Windows 98 and thanked > God for Bill Gates. I also put Linux away for a month. > > I did spend some more time with SuSE 8.0, nearly 6 hours now, and I now say > it is the absolute worst Linux I have ever used. It absolutely refuses to > detect my modem, refuses to link up with my network printer, and is > generally useless. In my opinion it is a degraded version of 7.2. Since > the older version worked fine with my computer modem and the new version > can't even detect it, what else am I supposed to say? I like Debian much > better. It refused to install on my computer so I never wasted hours trying > to configure it. SuSE should have had the grace to do the same. > > As for SuSE help, one of the things that made me go to Red Hat 7.2 was that > after months of trying to get SuSE 7.2 to work with my network, I decided > that instead of just reading portions here and there of the supplied "SuSE > Linux 7.2 Network" book, I would read it from the beginning, cover to cover. > In the beginning I found the following description of the book: "Although > installation support is extensive, any network setup is not included." In > other words, it a damn book on theory, not actual practice. It lacks actual > setup procedures for networks. I should have known better than spend any > more money on 8.0 or waste my time trying to set it up. > > Most people just give up. I stuck it out with Linux, and get frustrated as > hell trying to get it to work. If I was doing it all for fun I could > probably post every error message or click that did nothing. But I was > relying on it, making it all the more frustrating when it doesn't work. > > I am putting Linux away now. I am not sure when I will want to boot into it > again. I am limiting myself to Windows for the rest of the day so I can have > a restful nights sleep. Linux will have to wait a few weeks or until I get > some fresh enthusiasm. > > Robert > > > > "Russell Evans" wrote in message > news:mailman.1020034882.30869.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:18:56 -0700, Robert said: > > > > > > > > So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. > Weird > > > though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie would > normally > > > use by default, so I choose them individually. Among them Netscape > 6.2, CD > > > burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though Mozilla browser is > there, > > > by default they leave out the mail program!?). > > > > SuSE 8.0 default install with office assumes you will use KDE 3.0 and that > > comes with Konqueror and Kmail. The reason Mozilla is installed is so > that you > > can chose to use the geeko engine if you like and the mozilla plugins. > Netscape > > 6.2 is really Mozilla with marketing. > > > > > > > > > > I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a > science > > > now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In Red Hat > my > > > modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes as far as /S3 > and > > > even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No amount of > experimenting > > > with settings was able to produce a recognizable modem. I went through > > > every listed setting. So no internet access. > > > > > > > As noted in other posts, you seem to be making some mistake in posting or > > configuration. In Yast2 that is a hardware icon that will probe your > hardware > > and give you a very nice read out. You can use this to find your modem > > settings. > > > > > I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, but > found > > > it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have ever > (not > > > been able to) use(d). > > > > As you don't say what CDBurner program you are using there isn't anyway to > know > > what your issue is. I assume you read the manual on setting up an IDE > cdrom, if > > you are using one. The SuSE manual is one of the best parts of the > > distribution. At $40 a crack, I would get my money's worth and read it. > > > > > > > It also detected my scanner automatically, but > > > whenever I click on anything to do with the scanner, nothing happens. > At > > > least with Red Hat, it scans an image, lets me look at it, and then > refuses > > > to save it! > > > > Click, click, click, and nothing happens. I assume you're venting > frustration > > here and not really looking for help. If you are looking for help, some > more > > information will be needed. > > > > > > > > > > SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts and > menus > > > are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like wasting > > > time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can ever be and > I > > > will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it might, God > willing, > > > detect the modem next time. > > > > I think you will be wasting your time reinstalling in hopes of finding > your > > modem. Since you bought the distribution you should use the install > support > > that came with it. I have found the SuSE support helpful and timely in the > two > > cases were I needed it. > > > > > > > > > > Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the school > > > districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I now > am > > > spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft provides > an > > > operating system that actually works right out of the box. > > > > > > > What this really means, is that Mircosoft had the money, or market share > to > > make the hardware vendor supply the hardware documentation or write a > driver > > that worked. > > > > Linux has neither and so hardware support is not universal and sometimes > even > > the best installer fails on supported hardware. > > > > We all have bad installs. I spent Friday night trying to Win2K on a box > and > > that install was unsuccessful. The box would take Win98se and XP but not > W2K. I > > of course, bought W2k for it, not either of the others, so I was very > unhappy. > > What can you do? Relax and make lemonade is all. > > > > > > Thank you > > Russell > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Mon Apr 29 00:43:59 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:43:59 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] KNode Question References: Message-ID: Messages I read before are gone now too, and I can't even get them from the server. Weird. Essentially I have it set so they should never expire, yet they are gone. I still see the headers just fine, it's the messages that I can't get. Robert "Anthony Schlemmer" wrote in message news:mailman.1020040282.32740.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > Is there a chance that Knode only download's the message headers and > doesn't actually download the message content until you select a > message to read? I used to see this same behavior with KNode all of the > time with @Home as they seemed to expire messages after about 1 week on > their news server. > > Tony > > On Sunday 28 April 2002 15:30 pm, you wrote: > > When I look at this newsgroup in KNode the older messages are no > > longer available, even though I accessed them before. I have all the > > settings set to save messages for 5000 days, so I would expect them > > to be there. > > > > In W2K OE 6 I still have all the messages. > > > > Robert > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- > Anthony Schlemmer > aschlemm at attbi.com > >>>>This machine was last rebooted: 14 days 3:35 hours ago<< > From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Mon Apr 29 02:15:00 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:15:00 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 References: Message-ID: With that in mind I have just blocked you Matt Alexander. One strike and your out. Asshole. Robert "Matt Alexander" wrote in message news:mailman.1020041123.1633.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > +--------------+ > | PLEASE | > | DO NOT FEED | > | THE TROLLS | > | --The Mgt.| > +------++------+ > || > o o o || * > ,,\|/,,,||,,,/,,, > ---+-------------- > > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Robert wrote: > > > The trouble with posting more details is I could spend all day writing down > > error messages or steps I took to get nowhere. After hours of frustration > > with Linux I do what most people do and give up. More people have tried > > Linux then stick with it. The last thing I will do after a few late night > > hours of frustration while trying to scan a picture is log onto a newsgroup. > > I went to bed instead. The next night I scanned in Windows 98 and thanked > > God for Bill Gates. I also put Linux away for a month. > > > > I did spend some more time with SuSE 8.0, nearly 6 hours now, and I now say > > it is the absolute worst Linux I have ever used. It absolutely refuses to > > detect my modem, refuses to link up with my network printer, and is > > generally useless. In my opinion it is a degraded version of 7.2. Since > > the older version worked fine with my computer modem and the new version > > can't even detect it, what else am I supposed to say? I like Debian much > > better. It refused to install on my computer so I never wasted hours trying > > to configure it. SuSE should have had the grace to do the same. > > > > As for SuSE help, one of the things that made me go to Red Hat 7.2 was that > > after months of trying to get SuSE 7.2 to work with my network, I decided > > that instead of just reading portions here and there of the supplied "SuSE > > Linux 7.2 Network" book, I would read it from the beginning, cover to cover. > > In the beginning I found the following description of the book: "Although > > installation support is extensive, any network setup is not included." In > > other words, it a damn book on theory, not actual practice. It lacks actual > > setup procedures for networks. I should have known better than spend any > > more money on 8.0 or waste my time trying to set it up. > > > > Most people just give up. I stuck it out with Linux, and get frustrated as > > hell trying to get it to work. If I was doing it all for fun I could > > probably post every error message or click that did nothing. But I was > > relying on it, making it all the more frustrating when it doesn't work. > > > > I am putting Linux away now. I am not sure when I will want to boot into it > > again. I am limiting myself to Windows for the rest of the day so I can have > > a restful nights sleep. Linux will have to wait a few weeks or until I get > > some fresh enthusiasm. > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > "Russell Evans" wrote in message > > news:mailman.1020034882.30869.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:18:56 -0700, Robert said: > > > > > > > > > > > So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. > > Weird > > > > though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie would > > normally > > > > use by default, so I choose them individually. Among them Netscape > > 6.2, CD > > > > burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though Mozilla browser is > > there, > > > > by default they leave out the mail program!?). > > > > > > SuSE 8.0 default install with office assumes you will use KDE 3.0 and that > > > comes with Konqueror and Kmail. The reason Mozilla is installed is so > > that you > > > can chose to use the geeko engine if you like and the mozilla plugins. > > Netscape > > > 6.2 is really Mozilla with marketing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a > > science > > > > now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In Red Hat > > my > > > > modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes as far as /S3 > > and > > > > even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No amount of > > experimenting > > > > with settings was able to produce a recognizable modem. I went through > > > > every listed setting. So no internet access. > > > > > > > > > > As noted in other posts, you seem to be making some mistake in posting or > > > configuration. In Yast2 that is a hardware icon that will probe your > > hardware > > > and give you a very nice read out. You can use this to find your modem > > > settings. > > > > > > > I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, but > > found > > > > it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have ever > > (not > > > > been able to) use(d). > > > > > > As you don't say what CDBurner program you are using there isn't anyway to > > know > > > what your issue is. I assume you read the manual on setting up an IDE > > cdrom, if > > > you are using one. The SuSE manual is one of the best parts of the > > > distribution. At $40 a crack, I would get my money's worth and read it. > > > > > > > > > > It also detected my scanner automatically, but > > > > whenever I click on anything to do with the scanner, nothing happens. > > At > > > > least with Red Hat, it scans an image, lets me look at it, and then > > refuses > > > > to save it! > > > > > > Click, click, click, and nothing happens. I assume you're venting > > frustration > > > here and not really looking for help. If you are looking for help, some > > more > > > information will be needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts and > > menus > > > > are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like wasting > > > > time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can ever be and > > I > > > > will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it might, God > > willing, > > > > detect the modem next time. > > > > > > I think you will be wasting your time reinstalling in hopes of finding > > your > > > modem. Since you bought the distribution you should use the install > > support > > > that came with it. I have found the SuSE support helpful and timely in the > > two > > > cases were I needed it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the school > > > > districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I now > > am > > > > spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft provides > > an > > > > operating system that actually works right out of the box. > > > > > > > > > > What this really means, is that Mircosoft had the money, or market share > > to > > > make the hardware vendor supply the hardware documentation or write a > > driver > > > that worked. > > > > > > Linux has neither and so hardware support is not universal and sometimes > > even > > > the best installer fails on supported hardware. > > > > > > We all have bad installs. I spent Friday night trying to Win2K on a box > > and > > > that install was unsuccessful. The box would take Win98se and XP but not > > W2K. I > > > of course, bought W2k for it, not either of the others, so I was very > > unhappy. > > > What can you do? Relax and make lemonade is all. > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > Russell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > From heinlein at attbi.com Mon Apr 29 02:18:14 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Helpdesk software In-Reply-To: <1019970759.13006.65.camel@Dustpuppy> Message-ID: On 27 Apr 2002, T wrote: > Thanks Russ, I was just looking at that (after removing > 'site:plug.skylab.org' from my search restrictions)... Good to hear > that someone here is using that successfully. We use RT, too. The web interface is a mite pokey on an older machine, but otherwise it works as advertised. --Paul Heinlein From heinlein at attbi.com Mon Apr 29 02:41:45 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] PLUG FAQ ? In-Reply-To: <200204281752.g3SHqaTP018886@mail3.aracnet.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Terry Griffin wrote: > > Anyone working on one? I just this second started re: dsl > > providers, isps. Don't want to duplicate effort, but if there's no > > maintainer-in-hiding, I'm up. > > > > Soliciting subjects. Will search the archives for "should be in faq"... > > Paul Heinlein wrote something up a year or two ago. I think it was part > of the automated introduction when you subscribed on the old list server. > Maybe it's still archived somewhere. I remember writing the info file for majordomo back when Sean Utt was hosting the list. Past that, I don't remember writing a FAQ ... though anything's possible :-) I'm in this XML/XSLT mode lately, so I'll pitch in my $0.02: have submissions in XML format. Make a simple plug-faq DTD (so pgsml mode in emacs can do auto-completion and validation :-) and have all entries in that format, e.g., What's the best *nix tex editor? 2002-04-28 Brave Soul agnostic at isp.net Emacs Fan efan at gnu.org vi Bigot vib at vim.org This question could also be asked as, "Besides asking about which Linux distribution is best, what's the best way to get PLUG off-track?" Seriously, regardless of your ultimate preference, it's good to know your way around both vi and emacs, as both will be on just about any Linux or *BSD you're likely to encounter. ... My hunch is that a fairly small subset of the DocBook tagset would suffice for all of the formatting we'd in the section. Formatting the various .xml files could be handled with a small XSL stylesheet and a decent XSLT app like Sablotron or Xalan. The nice thing about handling it this way is that the output fomrat is completely divorced from the source document. There could be one stylesheet for HTML output, one for text output (suitable for e-mail), and perhaps one for PDF (in case someone wanted to print it). --Paul Heinlein From jack at 21cn.com Mon Apr 29 03:09:48 2002 From: jack at 21cn.com (Pilip) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:09:48 +0800 Subject: [PLUG] ADV:Harvest lots of Target Email address quickly Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gaetano at minastirith.org Mon Apr 29 03:47:19 2002 From: gaetano at minastirith.org (Gaetano) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:47:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] postfix and virtuals References: <1020024204.15530.3.camel@fuggles> Message-ID: <3CCCC247.1000008@minastirith.org> I don't know if this is the best way, or the most elegant way, but it was a knee jerk reaction to a bunch of mail being sent to a non-existant user named brubas on my postfix system and it works. I put a header_checks entry in the main.cf file: header_checks = /etc/postfix/header_checks Then in the header_checks file I have things I would like to match and reject like this: /^[Tt][Oo]: brubas@*/ REJECT then run "postmap /etc/postfix/header_checks" and anything that comes in with a header matching a regular expression in the header_checks file will effectively be rejected. (In this case anything to the non-existant user brubas) The header_checks file is also useful for matching other things. If there is a more elegant solution I would love to hear about it. - Gaetano Rob Hudson wrote: > I've got my virtuals set so that any email coming to my domain that > doesn't have an assigned user, goes to me. > > (I've got a "@domain.com rob" at the bottom of my virtuals file) > > I recently started getting spam on a certain name at domain.com address, > and I'd like this to bounce back. Is there a way to tell postfix to > bounce that address, but let others thru? > > Thanks, > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From brucek at kingkon.com Mon Apr 29 03:58:19 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:58:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] PGP key verification question In-Reply-To: <20020426065322.D21770@patch.com>; from mikeraz@patch.com on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 06:53:22AM -0700 References: <20020425175402.A3380@dendryte.localdomain> <20020425202548.G1477@defiant> <20020425204110.E22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <20020425213655.H1477@defiant> <20020425214926.I22004@rheingold.nakedape.priv> <20020426065322.D21770@patch.com> Message-ID: <20020428205819.F3418@defiant> mikeraz at patch.com's Log: StarDate 0426.0653: > On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 09:49:26PM -0700, Wil Cooley typed: > > Also Sprach Bruce Kingsland on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 09:36:55PM PDT > > > > > > I thot if you posted to one, you got circulated to all. > > > > Well, so did I. That's why I didn't understand why I > > couldn't get yours. > > Bear in mind that you can specify multiple keyservers in ~/.gnupg/options. > Now I'm getting more verifications. I tried that in rh52, using the latest gnupg, but it didn't work. However, I don't seem to get any complaints from the system using the same gnupg under rh72. My options file: keyserver certserver.pgp.com keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net Perhaps before I tried: keyserver certserver.pgp.com wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alex at daniloff.com Mon Apr 29 04:41:42 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:41:42 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02042821414200.06809@gate> Robert, At first I thought that you're just a man who needs some help with Linux and who is willing to study and learn the system. I could help you with SuSE 'cause it's my favorite distro. Now it appears that you're just a hopless hysterical whiner and troll. Say thanks one more time to your god Bill Gate$ and get your dirty ass off this list. Linux is not for a such shamefull dork like you. I'm blocking you forewer from my mailbox Hope other PLUG'ers will do the same. On Sunday 28 April 2002 07:15 pm, you wrote: > With that in mind I have just blocked you Matt Alexander. One strike and > your out. Asshole. > > Robert > > > > "Matt Alexander" wrote in message > news:mailman.1020041123.1633.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > > > +--------------+ > > > > | PLEASE | > > | DO NOT FEED | > > | THE TROLLS | > > | --The Mgt.| > > > > +------++------+ > > > > o o o || * > > ,,\|/,,,||,,,/,,, > > ---+-------------- > > > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Robert wrote: > > > The trouble with posting more details is I could spend all day writing > > down > > > > error messages or steps I took to get nowhere. After hours of > > frustration > > > > with Linux I do what most people do and give up. More people have > > > tried Linux then stick with it. The last thing I will do after a few > > > late > > night > > > > hours of frustration while trying to scan a picture is log onto a > > newsgroup. > > > > I went to bed instead. The next night I scanned in Windows 98 and > > thanked > > > > God for Bill Gates. I also put Linux away for a month. > > > > > > I did spend some more time with SuSE 8.0, nearly 6 hours now, and I now > > say > > > > it is the absolute worst Linux I have ever used. It absolutely refuses > > to > > > > detect my modem, refuses to link up with my network printer, and is > > > generally useless. In my opinion it is a degraded version of 7.2. > > Since > > > > the older version worked fine with my computer modem and the new > > > version can't even detect it, what else am I supposed to say? I like > > > Debian > > much > > > > better. It refused to install on my computer so I never wasted hours > > trying > > > > to configure it. SuSE should have had the grace to do the same. > > > > > > As for SuSE help, one of the things that made me go to Red Hat 7.2 was > > that > > > > after months of trying to get SuSE 7.2 to work with my network, I > > decided > > > > that instead of just reading portions here and there of the supplied > > "SuSE > > > > Linux 7.2 Network" book, I would read it from the beginning, cover to > > cover. > > > > In the beginning I found the following description of the book: > > "Although > > > > installation support is extensive, any network setup is not included." > > In > > > > other words, it a damn book on theory, not actual practice. It lacks > > actual > > > > setup procedures for networks. I should have known better than spend > > any > > > > more money on 8.0 or waste my time trying to set it up. > > > > > > Most people just give up. I stuck it out with Linux, and get > > > frustrated > > as > > > > hell trying to get it to work. If I was doing it all for fun I could > > > probably post every error message or click that did nothing. But I was > > > relying on it, making it all the more frustrating when it doesn't work. > > > > > > I am putting Linux away now. I am not sure when I will want to boot > > into it > > > > again. I am limiting myself to Windows for the rest of the day so I can > > have > > > > a restful nights sleep. Linux will have to wait a few weeks or until I > > get > > > > some fresh enthusiasm. > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > "Russell Evans" wrote in message > > > news:mailman.1020034882.30869.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > > > > > > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:18:56 -0700, Robert said: > > > > > So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. > > > > > > Weird > > > > > > > > though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie would > > > > > > normally > > > > > > > > use by default, so I choose them individually. Among them > > > > > Netscape > > > > > > 6.2, CD > > > > > > > > burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though Mozilla browser is > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > by default they leave out the mail program!?). > > > > > > > > SuSE 8.0 default install with office assumes you will use KDE 3.0 and > > that > > > > > comes with Konqueror and Kmail. The reason Mozilla is installed is > > > > so > > > > > > that you > > > > > > > can chose to use the geeko engine if you like and the mozilla > > > > plugins. > > > > > > Netscape > > > > > > > 6.2 is really Mozilla with marketing. > > > > > > > > > I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In Red > > Hat > > > > my > > > > > > > > modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes as far > > > > > as > > /S3 > > > > and > > > > > > > > even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No amount of > > > > > > experimenting > > > > > > > > with settings was able to produce a recognizable modem. I went > > through > > > > > > every listed setting. So no internet access. > > > > > > > > As noted in other posts, you seem to be making some mistake in > > > > posting > > or > > > > > configuration. In Yast2 that is a hardware icon that will probe your > > > > > > hardware > > > > > > > and give you a very nice read out. You can use this to find your > > > > modem settings. > > > > > > > > > I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, > > but > > > > found > > > > > > > > it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have > > > > > ever > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > been able to) use(d). > > > > > > > > As you don't say what CDBurner program you are using there isn't > > anyway to > > > > know > > > > > > > what your issue is. I assume you read the manual on setting up an IDE > > > > > > cdrom, if > > > > > > > you are using one. The SuSE manual is one of the best parts of the > > > > distribution. At $40 a crack, I would get my money's worth and read > > it. > > > > > > It also detected my scanner automatically, but > > > > > whenever I click on anything to do with the scanner, nothing > > happens. > > > > At > > > > > > > > least with Red Hat, it scans an image, lets me look at it, and > > > > > then > > > > > > refuses > > > > > > > > to save it! > > > > > > > > Click, click, click, and nothing happens. I assume you're venting > > > > > > frustration > > > > > > > here and not really looking for help. If you are looking for help, > > some > > > > more > > > > > > > information will be needed. > > > > > > > > > SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts > > and > > > > menus > > > > > > > > are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like > > wasting > > > > > > time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can ever be > > and > > > > I > > > > > > > > will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it might, God > > > > > > willing, > > > > > > > > detect the modem next time. > > > > > > > > I think you will be wasting your time reinstalling in hopes of > > > > finding > > > > > > your > > > > > > > modem. Since you bought the distribution you should use the install > > > > > > support > > > > > > > that came with it. I have found the SuSE support helpful and timely > > > > in > > the > > > > two > > > > > > > cases were I needed it. > > > > > > > > > Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the > > school > > > > > > districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I > > now > > > > am > > > > > > > > spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft > > provides > > > > an > > > > > > > > operating system that actually works right out of the box. > > > > > > > > What this really means, is that Mircosoft had the money, or market > > share > > > > to > > > > > > > make the hardware vendor supply the hardware documentation or write a > > > > > > driver > > > > > > > that worked. > > > > > > > > Linux has neither and so hardware support is not universal and > > sometimes > > > > even > > > > > > > the best installer fails on supported hardware. > > > > > > > > We all have bad installs. I spent Friday night trying to Win2K on a > > box > > > > and > > > > > > > that install was unsuccessful. The box would take Win98se and XP but > > not > > > > W2K. I > > > > > > > of course, bought W2k for it, not either of the others, so I was very > > > > > > unhappy. > > > > > > > What can you do? Relax and make lemonade is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > Russell > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- MS Windows users should be covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act! --------------> Try Linux and you'll understand why <-------------- From revans at e-z.net Mon Apr 29 05:01:46 2002 From: revans at e-z.net (Russell Evans) Date: 28 Apr 2002 22:01:46 PDT Subject: [PLUG] postfix and virtuals In-Reply-To: <3CCCC247.1000008@minastirith.org> References: <1020024204.15530.3.camel@fuggles> <3CCCC247.1000008@minastirith.org> Message-ID: <20020429050022.LQIK12183.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@downtown> Not having a clue, it doesn't look like to me, that you will catch brubas on cc and bcc. It also doesn't look like to me, that you will catch it if another email address is first. Thank you Russell On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:47:19 -0700, Gaetano said: > I don't know if this is the best way, or the most elegant way, but it > was a knee jerk reaction to a bunch of mail being sent to a non-existant > user named brubas on my postfix system and it works. > > I put a header_checks entry in the main.cf file: > > header_checks = /etc/postfix/header_checks > > Then in the header_checks file I have things I would like to match and > reject like this: > > /^[Tt][Oo]: brubas@*/ REJECT > > then run "postmap /etc/postfix/header_checks" > > and anything that comes in with a header matching a regular expression > in the header_checks file will effectively be rejected. (In this case > anything to the non-existant user brubas) > > The header_checks file is also useful for matching other things. > > If there is a more elegant solution I would love to hear about it. > > - Gaetano > > > Rob Hudson wrote: > > I've got my virtuals set so that any email coming to my domain that > > doesn't have an assigned user, goes to me. > > > > (I've got a "@domain.com rob" at the bottom of my virtuals file) > > > > I recently started getting spam on a certain name at domain.com address, > > and I'd like this to bounce back. Is there a way to tell postfix to > > bounce that address, but let others thru? > > > > Thanks, > > Rob > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > From LeviSuse at attbi.com Mon Apr 29 05:11:20 2002 From: LeviSuse at attbi.com (Doug Layne) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:11:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 References: Message-ID: <3CCCD5F8.40650E4A@attbi.com> Robert wrote: > > As a Linux newbie (2 years of frustration now) I decided to try the new > SuSE 8.0 distribution. I last tried SuSE 7.2 and found it the best Linux I > had ever used, but gave it up for Red Hat 7.2 because I could not get it to > work right with my network, and standard Linux commands never worked right. > The configuration menus were a real pain too. > > So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. Weird > though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie would normally > use by default, so I choose them individually. Among them Netscape 6.2, CD > burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though Mozilla browser is there, > by default they leave out the mail program!?). > > I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a science > now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In Red Hat my > modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes as far as /S3 and > even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No amount of experimenting > with settings was able to produce a recognizable modem. I went through > every listed setting. So no internet access. > > I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, but found > it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have ever (not > been able to) use(d). It also detected my scanner automatically, but > whenever I click on anything to do with the scanner, nothing happens. At > least with Red Hat, it scans an image, lets me look at it, and then refuses > to save it! > > SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts and menus > are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like wasting > time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can ever be and I > will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it might, God willing, > detect the modem next time. > > Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the school > districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I now am > spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft provides an > operating system that actually works right out of the box. > > As my tolerance for pain increases in the following weeks I'll be back here > asking more questions as I enter week 6 of trying to get Red Hat Linux > Samba to work, as well as CD burning, scanning, and font adjustment. > > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug Robert Suse has changed their system lay out alot. Once installed, you need to go to the directory /etc/sysconfig/network and look through it. See if you find the config file. Open in an editor and see if the modem line is in there. Hope this will get you started with Suse 8.0 if you desire to try again. Patience with any distro is golden! From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Mon Apr 29 06:38:34 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:38:34 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 References: Message-ID: I don't have a problem getting help from the Linux experts or enthusiasts in this newsgroup. They do everything they can to help and have even reconfigured their computers to reproduce the problems I have. Now that's a devotion to teaching Linux. Linux newbie's who are also anti-Microsoft seem to be the only ones to flame me so far. I like Windows. That does not make me a troll. It just means they are over sensitive in their hatred of Microsoft or their love of Linux, either of which is not healthy. I won't block you because you said I only "appear" to be a "whiner and troll," which is not as bad as what was said before. You also seem a bit emotional about Bill Gates costing you $. I can understand that and sympathize. I have had plenty of bad Microsoft days. I apologize to the rest of the Linux group for being grumpy and wasting bandwidth today. Six hours of Linux configuration problems took its toll. Robert "Alex Daniloff" wrote in message news:mailman.1020055462.7045.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > Robert, > At first I thought that you're just a man who needs some help with Linux and > who is willing to study and learn the system. > I could help you with SuSE 'cause it's my favorite distro. > Now it appears that you're just a hopless hysterical whiner and troll. > Say thanks one more time to your god Bill Gate$ and get your dirty ass off > this list. > Linux is not for a such shamefull dork like you. > I'm blocking you forewer from my mailbox > Hope other PLUG'ers will do the same. > > > > On Sunday 28 April 2002 07:15 pm, you wrote: > > With that in mind I have just blocked you Matt Alexander. One strike and > > your out. Asshole. > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > "Matt Alexander" wrote in message > > news:mailman.1020041123.1633.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > > > > > +--------------+ > > > > > > | PLEASE | > > > | DO NOT FEED | > > > | THE TROLLS | > > > | --The Mgt.| > > > > > > +------++------+ > > > > > > o o o || * > > > ,,\|/,,,||,,,/,,, > > > ---+-------------- > > > > > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Robert wrote: > > > > The trouble with posting more details is I could spend all day writing > > > > down > > > > > > error messages or steps I took to get nowhere. After hours of > > > > frustration > > > > > > with Linux I do what most people do and give up. More people have > > > > tried Linux then stick with it. The last thing I will do after a few > > > > late > > > > night > > > > > > hours of frustration while trying to scan a picture is log onto a > > > > newsgroup. > > > > > > I went to bed instead. The next night I scanned in Windows 98 and > > > > thanked > > > > > > God for Bill Gates. I also put Linux away for a month. > > > > > > > > I did spend some more time with SuSE 8.0, nearly 6 hours now, and I now > > > > say > > > > > > it is the absolute worst Linux I have ever used. It absolutely refuses > > > > to > > > > > > detect my modem, refuses to link up with my network printer, and is > > > > generally useless. In my opinion it is a degraded version of 7.2. > > > > Since > > > > > > the older version worked fine with my computer modem and the new > > > > version can't even detect it, what else am I supposed to say? I like > > > > Debian > > > > much > > > > > > better. It refused to install on my computer so I never wasted hours > > > > trying > > > > > > to configure it. SuSE should have had the grace to do the same. > > > > > > > > As for SuSE help, one of the things that made me go to Red Hat 7.2 was > > > > that > > > > > > after months of trying to get SuSE 7.2 to work with my network, I > > > > decided > > > > > > that instead of just reading portions here and there of the supplied > > > > "SuSE > > > > > > Linux 7.2 Network" book, I would read it from the beginning, cover to > > > > cover. > > > > > > In the beginning I found the following description of the book: > > > > "Although > > > > > > installation support is extensive, any network setup is not included." > > > > In > > > > > > other words, it a damn book on theory, not actual practice. It lacks > > > > actual > > > > > > setup procedures for networks. I should have known better than spend > > > > any > > > > > > more money on 8.0 or waste my time trying to set it up. > > > > > > > > Most people just give up. I stuck it out with Linux, and get > > > > frustrated > > > > as > > > > > > hell trying to get it to work. If I was doing it all for fun I could > > > > probably post every error message or click that did nothing. But I was > > > > relying on it, making it all the more frustrating when it doesn't work. > > > > > > > > I am putting Linux away now. I am not sure when I will want to boot > > > > into it > > > > > > again. I am limiting myself to Windows for the rest of the day so I can > > > > have > > > > > > a restful nights sleep. Linux will have to wait a few weeks or until I > > > > get > > > > > > some fresh enthusiasm. > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Russell Evans" wrote in message > > > > news:mailman.1020034882.30869.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:18:56 -0700, Robert said: > > > > > > So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. > > > > > > > > Weird > > > > > > > > > > though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie would > > > > > > > > normally > > > > > > > > > > use by default, so I choose them individually. Among them > > > > > > Netscape > > > > > > > > 6.2, CD > > > > > > > > > > burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though Mozilla browser is > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > by default they leave out the mail program!?). > > > > > > > > > > SuSE 8.0 default install with office assumes you will use KDE 3.0 and > > > > that > > > > > > > comes with Konqueror and Kmail. The reason Mozilla is installed is > > > > > so > > > > > > > > that you > > > > > > > > > can chose to use the geeko engine if you like and the mozilla > > > > > plugins. > > > > > > > > Netscape > > > > > > > > > 6.2 is really Mozilla with marketing. > > > > > > > > > > > I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In Red > > > > Hat > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes as far > > > > > > as > > > > /S3 > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No amount of > > > > > > > > experimenting > > > > > > > > > > with settings was able to produce a recognizable modem. I went > > > > through > > > > > > > > every listed setting. So no internet access. > > > > > > > > > > As noted in other posts, you seem to be making some mistake in > > > > > posting > > > > or > > > > > > > configuration. In Yast2 that is a hardware icon that will probe your > > > > > > > > hardware > > > > > > > > > and give you a very nice read out. You can use this to find your > > > > > modem settings. > > > > > > > > > > > I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, > > > > but > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > been able to) use(d). > > > > > > > > > > As you don't say what CDBurner program you are using there isn't > > > > anyway to > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > what your issue is. I assume you read the manual on setting up an IDE > > > > > > > > cdrom, if > > > > > > > > > you are using one. The SuSE manual is one of the best parts of the > > > > > distribution. At $40 a crack, I would get my money's worth and read > > > > it. > > > > > > > > It also detected my scanner automatically, but > > > > > > whenever I click on anything to do with the scanner, nothing > > > > happens. > > > > > > At > > > > > > > > > > least with Red Hat, it scans an image, lets me look at it, and > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > refuses > > > > > > > > > > to save it! > > > > > > > > > > Click, click, click, and nothing happens. I assume you're venting > > > > > > > > frustration > > > > > > > > > here and not really looking for help. If you are looking for help, > > > > some > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > information will be needed. > > > > > > > > > > > SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts > > > > and > > > > > > menus > > > > > > > > > > are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like > > > > wasting > > > > > > > > time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can ever be > > > > and > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it might, God > > > > > > > > willing, > > > > > > > > > > detect the modem next time. > > > > > > > > > > I think you will be wasting your time reinstalling in hopes of > > > > > finding > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > modem. Since you bought the distribution you should use the install > > > > > > > > support > > > > > > > > > that came with it. I have found the SuSE support helpful and timely > > > > > in > > > > the > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > cases were I needed it. > > > > > > > > > > > Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the > > > > school > > > > > > > > districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I > > > > now > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft > > > > provides > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > operating system that actually works right out of the box. > > > > > > > > > > What this really means, is that Mircosoft had the money, or market > > > > share > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > make the hardware vendor supply the hardware documentation or write a > > > > > > > > driver > > > > > > > > > that worked. > > > > > > > > > > Linux has neither and so hardware support is not universal and > > > > sometimes > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > the best installer fails on supported hardware. > > > > > > > > > > We all have bad installs. I spent Friday night trying to Win2K on a > > > > box > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > that install was unsuccessful. The box would take Win98se and XP but > > > > not > > > > > > W2K. I > > > > > > > > > of course, bought W2k for it, not either of the others, so I was very > > > > > > > > unhappy. > > > > > > > > > What can you do? Relax and make lemonade is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > Russell > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- > MS Windows users should be covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act! > --------------> Try Linux and you'll understand why <-------------- > From john at meissen.org Mon Apr 29 07:05:37 2002 From: john at meissen.org (John Meissen) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:05:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 In-Reply-To: Message from "Robert" of "Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:38:34 PDT." Message-ID: <20020429070537.769FA745B6@john.meissen.org> I sat here and watched this exchange develop, and frankly, you come off like a troll. You post to a Linux mailing list, you complain that Linux doesn't work, is hard to use, and doesn't recognize your hardware. You proclaim that Windows is your salvation, and thank Bill for doing something the Linux developers evidently can't do. You don't offer any specific details, and you don't ask for any help. You don't seem interested in resolving any of the issues, and apparently are only interested in flaming SuSE. If your post wasn't a troll, then what was the point? john- > I don't have a problem getting help from the Linux experts or enthusiasts in > this newsgroup. They do everything they can to help and have even > reconfigured their computers to reproduce the problems I have. Now that's a > devotion to teaching Linux. > > Linux newbie's who are also anti-Microsoft seem to be the only ones to flame > me so far. I like Windows. That does not make me a troll. It just means they > are over sensitive in their hatred of Microsoft or their love of Linux, > either of which is not healthy. > > I won't block you because you said I only "appear" to be a "whiner and > troll," which is not as bad as what was said before. You also seem a bit > emotional about Bill Gates costing you $. I can understand that and > sympathize. I have had plenty of bad Microsoft days. > > I apologize to the rest of the Linux group for being grumpy and wasting > bandwidth today. Six hours of Linux configuration problems took its toll. > > Robert > From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Mon Apr 29 07:08:59 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:08:59 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 References: Message-ID: I think that SuSE 8.0 hates my modem so I've fired it for now. To further complicate the issue my modem settings in Red Hat 7.2 are /ttyS4 and in the previous SuSE 7.2 were /ttyS2. I tried every default setting listed today and none worked. It reminded me of the first few times I installed Linux (on a previous computer) and couldn't get the modem to work because it was a winmodem. I might try installing it on my Dell, which liked Red Hat 7.2, but spit at every other version I tried. If all else fails I will just stick to Red Hat. The main advantage to these other Linux versions is they teach me something new to do in Red Hat that I would not otherwise have known. I checked out a SuSE newsgroup today and didn't see anyone else with a modem problem. I'll wait a few days to see if anyone finds something wrong with the default install. It's just too strange that it does not detect the modem at all. Robert "Mike De La Mater" wrote in message news:mailman.1020031583.28096.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > I'm sorry to hear about your poor ecperineces with Linux. It took me quite a > while to get any good at installing it, too. There is a lot of things that good > installations depend on, and I made/make them too. The sesktop is the hardest > place to make it install well. I have had great experiences with it on a laptop > even, so I know the later distros can go well. > > If you've got specific problems, please be sure to post your issues right away, > and that could reduce the frustration factor, it does for me. Once in a while I > get trashed by someone who knows that the answer is in the man page, but not > often. > > Hang in there, it's worth it. Not only do you get a great OS, but it's free, M$ > doesn"t profit from it AND you'll be able to help others switch over to an OS > that doesn't require you to just shut it all down to see how fast the machine > will reboot... > > Mike > > 4/28/02 2:18:56 PM, Robert wrote: > > >As a Linux newbie (2 years of frustration now) I decided to try the new > >SuSE 8.0 distribution. I last tried SuSE 7.2 and found it the best Linux I > >had ever used, but gave it up for Red Hat 7.2 because I could not get it to > >work right with my network, and standard Linux commands never worked right. > >The configuration menus were a real pain too. > > > >So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. Weird > >though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie would normally > >use by default, so I choose them individually. Among them Netscape 6.2, CD > >burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though Mozilla browser is there, > >by default they leave out the mail program!?). > > > >I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a science > >now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In Red Hat my > >modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes as far as /S3 and > >even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No amount of experimenting > >with settings was able to produce a recognizable modem. I went through > >every listed setting. So no internet access. > > > >I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, but found > >it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have ever (not > >been able to) use(d). It also detected my scanner automatically, but > >whenever I click on anything to do with the scanner, nothing happens. At > >least with Red Hat, it scans an image, lets me look at it, and then refuses > >to save it! > > > >SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts and menus > >are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like wasting > >time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can ever be and I > >will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it might, God willing, > >detect the modem next time. > > > >Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the school > >districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I now am > >spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft provides an > >operating system that actually works right out of the box. > > > >As my tolerance for pain increases in the following weeks I'll be back here > >asking more questions as I enter week 6 of trying to get Red Hat Linux > >Samba to work, as well as CD burning, scanning, and font adjustment. > > > >Robert > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PLUG mailing list > >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ---------- > Mike De La Mater > Mike De La Mater Consulting > mikedela at ipns.com > 503-702-6749 > > > From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Mon Apr 29 07:56:46 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:56:46 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: Warning About SuSE 8 References: Message-ID: To the Unhappy Person who obviously dislikes me: Now I have 12 new subscription confirmation requests for misc garbage in my mail box. You even bothered to look up my address and personal information for this. But now it is time to take a step backward and relax. I don't want subscriptions to the govindastore group hosted by Yahoo! Groups, a FREE trial subscription to Six-Figure Income Magazine, Buzzine.com "Here's a copy of your subscription data:" whatever that is, Focalex FREE email subscriptions to Magmall Newsletter Special Offers Internet Shopper Gambling Consumer Electronics Credit Cards Home Based Office Freeware/Shareware Health Sports Travel Music Movies/Videos Computer Hardware Webmasters Special Offers Affiliates College Online Trading, or any of the others. Subscribing me to Republican Party updates was cute, but the senior citizen food order site order was a bit over the top and I hope it does not cost them any money. This is the worst attack anyone on the internet has ever launched at me, even worse than the infamous Kadaitcha Man and his brand of personal attacks. At least he kept it in the newsgroup. Since you probably used Linux for this attack, congratulations, you are now a Linux Terrorist! I hope you are proud of yourself. Robert "Robert" wrote in message news:gvar7f.kdp at drizzle.pdxlinux.org... > As a Linux newbie (2 years of frustration now) I decided to try the new > SuSE 8.0 distribution. I last tried SuSE 7.2 and found it the best Linux I > had ever used, but gave it up for Red Hat 7.2 because I could not get it to > work right with my network, and standard Linux commands never worked right. > The configuration menus were a real pain too. > > So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. Weird > though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie would normally > use by default, so I choose them individually. Among them Netscape 6.2, CD > burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though Mozilla browser is there, > by default they leave out the mail program!?). > > I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a science > now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In Red Hat my > modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes as far as /S3 and > even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No amount of experimenting > with settings was able to produce a recognizable modem. I went through > every listed setting. So no internet access. > > I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, but found > it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have ever (not > been able to) use(d). It also detected my scanner automatically, but > whenever I click on anything to do with the scanner, nothing happens. At > least with Red Hat, it scans an image, lets me look at it, and then refuses > to save it! > > SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts and menus > are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like wasting > time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can ever be and I > will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it might, God willing, > detect the modem next time. > > Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the school > districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I now am > spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft provides an > operating system that actually works right out of the box. > > As my tolerance for pain increases in the following weeks I'll be back here > asking more questions as I enter week 6 of trying to get Red Hat Linux > Samba to work, as well as CD burning, scanning, and font adjustment. > > Robert > > > > From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Mon Apr 29 08:07:16 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:07:16 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: Warning About SuSE 8 References: Message-ID: And it gets worse. He looked up my other email address to have it spammed with porn and newsletter subscriptions. It has not been a good day for Linux. Robert From bhoran at hexdev.com Mon Apr 29 08:44:42 2002 From: bhoran at hexdev.com (Brian Horan) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 04:44:42 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is there anyway you can send me (off-list perhaps) a copy of the output of 'dmesg'? and also whether the modem is an internal or external modem? and maybe even the output of 'lspci'? and a number 4 super-sized with a diet coke? I'd like to help. -Brian On Monday 29 April 2002 03:08 am, you wrote: > I think that SuSE 8.0 hates my modem so I've fired it for now. To further > complicate the issue my modem settings in Red Hat 7.2 are /ttyS4 and in the > previous SuSE 7.2 were /ttyS2. I tried every default setting listed today > and none worked. It reminded me of the first few times I installed Linux > (on a previous computer) and couldn't get the modem to work because it was > a winmodem. > > I might try installing it on my Dell, which liked Red Hat 7.2, but spit at > every other version I tried. If all else fails I will just stick to Red > Hat. The main advantage to these other Linux versions is they teach me > something new to do in Red Hat that I would not otherwise have known. > > I checked out a SuSE newsgroup today and didn't see anyone else with a > modem problem. I'll wait a few days to see if anyone finds something wrong > with the default install. It's just too strange that it does not detect > the modem at all. > > Robert > > > > "Mike De La Mater" wrote in message > news:mailman.1020031583.28096.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > > > I'm sorry to hear about your poor ecperineces with Linux. It took me > > quite > > a > > > while to get any good at installing it, too. There is a lot of things > > that > > good > > > installations depend on, and I made/make them too. The sesktop is the > > hardest > > > place to make it install well. I have had great experiences with it on a > > laptop > > > even, so I know the later distros can go well. > > > > If you've got specific problems, please be sure to post your issues right > > away, > > > and that could reduce the frustration factor, it does for me. Once in a > > while I > > > get trashed by someone who knows that the answer is in the man page, but > > not > > > often. > > > > Hang in there, it's worth it. Not only do you get a great OS, but it's > > free, M$ > > > doesn"t profit from it AND you'll be able to help others switch over to > > an > > OS > > > that doesn't require you to just shut it all down to see how fast the > > machine > > > will reboot... > > > > Mike > > > > 4/28/02 2:18:56 PM, Robert wrote: > > >As a Linux newbie (2 years of frustration now) I decided to try the new > > >SuSE 8.0 distribution. I last tried SuSE 7.2 and found it the best > > > Linux > > I > > > >had ever used, but gave it up for Red Hat 7.2 because I could not get it > > to > > > >work right with my network, and standard Linux commands never worked > > right. > > > >The configuration menus were a real pain too. > > > > > >So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. > > > Weird though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie would > > normally > > > >use by default, so I choose them individually. Among them Netscape 6.2, > > CD > > > >burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though Mozilla browser is > > > there, by default they leave out the mail program!?). > > > > > >I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a science > > >now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In Red Hat my > > >modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes as far as /S3 > > and > > > >even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No amount of > > experimenting > > > >with settings was able to produce a recognizable modem. I went through > > >every listed setting. So no internet access. > > > > > >I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, but > > found > > > >it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have ever (not > > >been able to) use(d). It also detected my scanner automatically, but > > >whenever I click on anything to do with the scanner, nothing happens. > > > At least with Red Hat, it scans an image, lets me look at it, and then > > refuses > > > >to save it! > > > > > >SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts and > > menus > > > >are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like wasting > > >time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can ever be and I > > >will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it might, God > > willing, > > > >detect the modem next time. > > > > > >Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the school > > >districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I now > > > am spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft > > > provides an operating system that actually works right out of the box. > > > > > >As my tolerance for pain increases in the following weeks I'll be back > > here > > > >asking more questions as I enter week 6 of trying to get Red Hat Linux > > >Samba to work, as well as CD burning, scanning, and font adjustment. > > > > > >Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >PLUG mailing list > > >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > ---------- > > Mike De La Mater > > Mike De La Mater Consulting > > mikedela at ipns.com > > 503-702-6749 > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com From prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com Mon Apr 29 14:09:55 2002 From: prestonc at crawfordsolutions.com (Preston Crawford) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Re: Warning About SuSE 8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Robert wrote: > Since you probably used Linux for this attack, congratulations, you are now > a Linux Terrorist! I hope you are proud of yourself. > > Robert What a couple of nimrods. preston From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Mon Apr 29 07:31:11 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (D. Cooper Stevenson) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:31:11 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Helpdesk software In-Reply-To: <1019968596.13071.53.camel@Dustpuppy>; from tk-plug@perljam.net on Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 09:36:35PM -0700 References: <1019968596.13071.53.camel@Dustpuppy> Message-ID: <20020429003111.A571@linux-enterprise.net> > Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of a good > helpdesk software package? Free or cheap is best, although if the > features warrant it, I may be able to push a P.O. through. I'm afraid I > don't yet know everything that I may need (although inventory & issue > tracking are at the top of the list). > We use Footprints at work. It works pretty well. -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper.stevenson at wahchang.com UNIX Administrator |PH: (541)791-1322 Telledyne Wah Chang |FAX: (541)924-6895 ------------------------------------------------------ From lemming at attbi.com Mon Apr 29 15:26:54 2002 From: lemming at attbi.com (Mark Morgan) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:26:54 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 References: Message-ID: <3CCD663E.8090906@attbi.com> Robert wrote: > I think that SuSE 8.0 hates my modem so I've fired it for now. To further > complicate the issue my modem settings in Red Hat 7.2 are /ttyS4 and in the > previous SuSE 7.2 were /ttyS2. I tried every default setting listed today > and none worked. It reminded me of the first few times I installed Linux > (on a previous computer) and couldn't get the modem to work because it was a > winmodem. A huge help would be what modem do you have and what scanner? -Mark From revans at e-z.net Mon Apr 29 15:44:11 2002 From: revans at e-z.net (Russell Evans) Date: 29 Apr 2002 08:44:11 PDT Subject: [PLUG] Fw: [TACLUG-General] Estimating the size of Linux Message-ID: <20020429154225.KSPX2627.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@downtown> I thought this was interesting as well. Thank you Russell --- Forwarded Message --- From: general at taclug.org To: "'general at taclug.org'" Sent: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:30:06 -0700 Subject: [TACLUG-General] Estimating the size of Linux This is an interesting article. More than $1 billion to produce Linux using proprietary means. http://www.dwheeler.com/sloc/redhat71-v1/redhat71sloc.html --- Next Part --- Estimating the size of Linux

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From revans at e-z.net Mon Apr 29 15:48:49 2002 From: revans at e-z.net (Russell Evans) Date: 29 Apr 2002 08:48:49 PDT Subject: [PLUG] Fw: [TACLUG-General] Estimating the size of Linux In-Reply-To: <20020429154225.KSPX2627.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@downtown> References: <20020429154225.KSPX2627.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@downtown> Message-ID: <20020429154703.LCPD10474.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@downtown> Sorry, my mail reader doesn't show the html. didn't even look when posting. Thank you Russell On 29 Apr 2002 08:44:11 PDT, Russell Evans said: > I thought this was interesting as well. > > Thank you > Russell > > > --- Forwarded Message --- > From: general at taclug.org > To: "'general at taclug.org'" > Sent: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:30:06 -0700 > Subject: [TACLUG-General] Estimating the size of Linux > > This is an interesting article. More than $1 billion to produce Linux using > proprietary means. > > http://www.dwheeler.com/sloc/redhat71-v1/redhat71sloc.html From richard.langis at sun.com Mon Apr 29 15:47:24 2002 From: richard.langis at sun.com (Richard Langis) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:47:24 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Something Neat Message-ID: <3CCD6B0C.1000306@sun.com> Here's something I hacked up over the weekend that I thought was rather useful. On the desktop, my family for the most part uses M$ products. Shameful, yes I know, but when you want to play games, it's what ya gotta use. Anyway, for internet connectivity, we have a dial-up modem. Said modem is on a Debian box running pppd. It's also on a phone line that we get most of our incoming calls, and frequenly disconnects due to call waiting beeps or random line noise. Frustrating, to say the least. Yes, I've tried to get DSL and/or Cable, neither can install to me - I'm in one of those 'grey' zones between CO's, I guess. So for a while I've been ssh'ed into my box, and I monitor the connection via tail -f'ing the ppp.log. But, I found this to be irksome, so I cobbled together a script that grabs some pertinent data from that log and drops it into a small file that I have on my intranet webserver. It greps the connect speed of the link when it's up (via the ip-up.d scripts in ppp), and the time of disconnect when it's down (via the ip-down.d scripts). Then I #include that file in a SSI page on my server, and make that page an active desktop component on my systems. It was all pretty simple, and it worked wonderfully. I felt like sharing this morning. :) -Richard -- s u n m i c r o s y s t e m s ~ Richard Langis Jr. ~ richard.langis at sun.com From fedorp at wv.mentorg.com Mon Apr 29 15:50:11 2002 From: fedorp at wv.mentorg.com (Fedor G. Pikus) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 In-Reply-To: <3CCD663E.8090906@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Mark Morgan wrote: > Robert wrote: > > > I think that SuSE 8.0 hates my modem so I've fired it for now. To further > > complicate the issue my modem settings in Red Hat 7.2 are /ttyS4 and in the > > previous SuSE 7.2 were /ttyS2. I tried every default setting listed today > A huge help would be what modem do you have and what scanner? > > -Mark This is likely an indication of some hardware misconfiguration: the modem is not properly configured to be either com2 or com4, but a bit of both. This may also explain why Linux refuses to work with it: while Windows is often very forgiving of sloppy hardware, Linux insists that everything is done by the book. I've seen Linux detect all kinds of hardware misconfiguration which were unnoticed by Windows. Under Windows, the misconfigured piece of hardware just works. Sometimes as you add more hardware you get into problems, like IRQs which should be available really are not. -- Fedor G. Pikus Mentor Graphics Corporation | Phone: (503) 685-4857 8405 SW Boeckman Road | FAX: (503) 685-1239 Wilsonville, Oregon 97070 | http://www.pikus.net/~pikus/ From gaetano at minastirith.org Mon Apr 29 16:24:46 2002 From: gaetano at minastirith.org (Gaetano) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:24:46 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] postfix and virtuals References: <1020024204.15530.3.camel@fuggles> <3CCCC247.1000008@minastirith.org> <20020429050022.LQIK12183.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@downtown> Message-ID: <3CCD73CE.8020105@minastirith.org> Well, you obviously DO have a clue. :) You are right. If you want to catch cc and bcc you would need to add another entry in the header_checks or change the regular expression to catch "CC: " "BCC: " in addition to just "To: ". But there probably is a better way to do this. The problem with my solution is that if the mail was also addressed to a valid email address it may get rejected if it was also sent to brubas. If you regularly get email dilivered to a few user accounts you don't want to hear about then this works, as it did for me and as I suspect it would for Rob who is recieving all email addressed to his virtual domain. The only sender to the brubas account appears to be a spam bot and I have gotten hundreds of emails addressed only to "To: brubas@". The sending machines have been in various places accross the internet and I have never seen brubas get a cc: or bcc: so I havn't bothered with finding the solution you would use where you have more than a handful of users. As much as I like to hear things like "Hot babes want to talk with you now!" and "You are a winner!" I just assume reject all that email. :) - Gaetano Russell Evans wrote: >Not having a clue, it doesn't look like to me, that you will catch brubas on cc >and bcc. It also doesn't look like to me, that you will catch it if another >email address is first. > >Thank you >Russell > > > > > >On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:47:19 -0700, Gaetano said: > > > >>I don't know if this is the best way, or the most elegant way, but it >> was a knee jerk reaction to a bunch of mail being sent to a non-existant >> user named brubas on my postfix system and it works. >> >> I put a header_checks entry in the main.cf file: >> >> header_checks = /etc/postfix/header_checks >> >> Then in the header_checks file I have things I would like to match and >> reject like this: >> >> /^[Tt][Oo]: brubas@*/ REJECT >> >> then run "postmap /etc/postfix/header_checks" >> >> and anything that comes in with a header matching a regular expression >> in the header_checks file will effectively be rejected. (In this case >> anything to the non-existant user brubas) >> >> The header_checks file is also useful for matching other things. >> >> If there is a more elegant solution I would love to hear about it. >> >> - Gaetano >> >> >> Rob Hudson wrote: >> > I've got my virtuals set so that any email coming to my domain that >> > doesn't have an assigned user, goes to me. >> > >> > (I've got a "@domain.com rob" at the bottom of my virtuals file) >> > >> > I recently started getting spam on a certain name at domain.com address, >> > and I'd like this to bounce back. Is there a way to tell postfix to >> > bounce that address, but let others thru? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Rob >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > PLUG mailing list >> > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >> > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PLUG mailing list >> PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > From dh1867 at go2netmail.com Mon Apr 29 16:18:56 2002 From: dh1867 at go2netmail.com (d h) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:18:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Consultants page? Message-ID: <6AD013A87FEEC5441AE85D10744DEDCD@dh1867.go2netmail.com> Is there still a page on the PLUG website that lists consultants? The link is broken, and I need to speak to a consultant about Linux server/email for our non-profit organization. Thanks! D Hudeck Sent by Go2net Mail! From ejahn at worksystems.org Mon Apr 29 16:46:46 2002 From: ejahn at worksystems.org (Eric Jahn) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:46:46 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Rather Dumb Newbie Question Message-ID: <319FB8934F09BF48A3F3228370882667385EAA@wsimail.worksystems.org> Is there a way to tell Linux to disconnect and then later reconnect my eth0 connection. I've looked through the manuals, but no luck. Also, even better, would there be a way to hotplug my eth0 ethernet cable connection? From ziggy at anodizing.com Mon Apr 29 16:58:11 2002 From: ziggy at anodizing.com (Abraham Zwygart) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:58:11 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] printer problems using dhcp References: <319FB8934F09BF48A3F3228370882667385EAA@wsimail.worksystems.org> Message-ID: <3CCD7BA3.989F11F3@anodizing.com> I have found some information on why my printer at home stopped working. I have a cable modem with RH 7.2. When I use dhcp to connect to the cable modem my printer stops working. If I changed network connection to the current address the printer works ok? I would like to use dhcp network connection and my printer at the same time. Any ideas on how to get this to work? Thanks Abraham Z. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ | SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator | 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy at anodizing.com | Portland, OR 97211 | Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 | | The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine | and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Apr 29 17:37:51 2002 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:37:51 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Rather Dumb Newbie Question References: <319FB8934F09BF48A3F3228370882667385EAA@wsimail.worksystems.org> Message-ID: <3CCD84EF.103@parkrose.k12.or.us> As root: to down the connection: ifdown eth0 to bring it back up: ifup eth0 -Dan Young Eric Jahn wrote: > Is there a way to tell Linux to disconnect and then later reconnect my > eth0 connection. I've looked through the manuals, but no luck. Also, > even better, would there be a way to hotplug my eth0 ethernet cable > connection? > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From sandbox at pacifier.com Mon Apr 29 17:02:17 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:02:17 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Rather Dumb Newbie Question References: <319FB8934F09BF48A3F3228370882667385EAA@wsimail.worksystems.org> Message-ID: <3CCD7C99.6050000@pacifier.com> Eric Jahn wrote: > Is there a way to tell Linux to disconnect and then later reconnect my > eth0 connection. I've looked through the manuals, but no luck. Also, > even better, would there be a way to hotplug my eth0 ethernet cable > connection? A cron job should be able to do this (ifconfig eth0 down/up). You can just pull the cable out of the nic. You may get a few complaints from your mail client (if it's set to auto check for new mail). When you plug the cable back in, you may need to restart your dhcp client (if you use that). PCMCIA nics are hot-pluggable. -- Kyle Accardi From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 29 17:29:31 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Rather Dumb Newbie Question In-Reply-To: <319FB8934F09BF48A3F3228370882667385EAA@wsimail.worksystems.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Eric Jahn wrote: > Is there a way to tell Linux to disconnect and then later reconnect my > eth0 connection. I've looked through the manuals, but no luck. Also, > even better, would there be a way to hotplug my eth0 ethernet cable > connection? For a one-time deal read the 'at' man page. For a regular action read the 'crontab' man page. Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 29 17:50:02 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Setting up a mail server Message-ID: I'm doing a lot of reading before replacing sendmail with postfix and initiating my mail server locally. Once the primary mail server is here, I assume that I do not need to run either POP3 or IMAP. Correct? However, if the server here is down, then I need to use POP3 or IMAP to retrieve mail stored on the secondary mail server at our ISP. Correct? Trying to fit together all the pieces. Thanks, Rich From wcooley at nakedape.cc Mon Apr 29 17:52:25 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:52:25 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] PGP key verification question In-Reply-To: <20020428213749.GA28337@wirex.net>; from steve@wirex.net on Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 02:37:50PM -0700 References: <0E402AD0FEACD411B7C100508BCDF6110463B15A@cmc-exchange.columbiafunds.com> <20020428213749.GA28337@wirex.net> Message-ID: <20020429105225.G30462@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Steve Beattie on Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 02:37:50PM PDT > On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 10:39:44AM -0700, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > > From: Wil Cooley [mailto:wcooley at nakedape.cc] > > > Can you? It's not documented in the man page, but I've wondered > > > about it for a while. Do you have multiple lines of 'keyserver' > > > or multiple servers listed on one line? > > > > I just added another keyserver line. > > > > DISCLAIMER: > > I was aware that Wil's PGP sigs weren't being verified. Then I saw > > his response to Bruce's question. Hmmm, different keyservers. Quickly > > added the line and now I can verify both sets of signatures/keys. Didn't > > check the docs, didn't read the HOWTOs, just glanced at the file, > > thought the format was the same as /etc/resolv.conf and gave it a whirl. > > > > YMMV. > > Hmm, it didn't appear to work for me. When I added > > "keyserver certserver.pgp.com" > > to my .gnupg/options file, gpg (appears to anyway) only pull from the > last one specified. For example, I tried to verify a recent message sent > to the CRIME list. The first time I read it, it said it couldn't find > the key on certserver.pgp.com. Then I commented that line out, and the > next time I read it, it was able to pull the key [1] from wwwkeys.us.pgp.net > (my default keyserver). Gnupg 1.0.6, FWIW. > > [1] Well, a key, anyway. The message didn't verify correctly for me. :-) I just noticed the same results with a message posted to another list. I commented the second 'keyserver certserver.pgp.com' out, re-opened the message, and it worked with my original wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From john at meissen.org Mon Apr 29 18:00:16 2002 From: john at meissen.org (john at meissen.org) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:00:16 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Setting up a mail server In-Reply-To: (Your message of Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:50:02 PDT.) Message-ID: <20020429180016.9A2DE745B6@john.meissen.org> rshepard at appl-ecosys.com said: > I'm doing a lot of reading before replacing sendmail with postfix > and initiating my mail server locally. Once the primary mail server is > here, I assume that I do not need to run either POP3 or IMAP. Correct? > However, if the server here is down, then I need to use POP3 or IMAP > to retrieve mail stored on the secondary mail server at our ISP. > Correct? Depends on how the ISP has their system configured. Generally it's a bad idea to have mail stored in more than one location. If they don't have access to the same mail spool secondary mail servers are usually configured to accept mail to store and forward once the primary server comes back online. john- From wcooley at nakedape.cc Mon Apr 29 18:02:26 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:02:26 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Setting up a mail server In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 10:50:02AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020429110225.J30462@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Rich Shepard on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 10:50:02AM PDT > I'm doing a lot of reading before replacing sendmail with postfix and > initiating my mail server locally. Once the primary mail server is here, I > assume that I do not need to run either POP3 or IMAP. Correct? However, if > the server here is down, then I need to use POP3 or IMAP to retrieve mail > stored on the secondary mail server at our ISP. Correct? > > Trying to fit together all the pieces. Not necessarily. If your ISP sets themselves up as only a secondary (they configure themselves to accept or relay messages for your domains but not deliver "locally" [i.e., to your inbox on their mail servers]), then it will forward messages it had accepted for your domain when yours comes back up. (It does it automatically, but not immediately, because it checks periodically.) Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm using a SiS 6326 card. > The only way I can run X in a usable state is by keeping to 8-bit mode; > even then the cursor appears only as a square filled with random B/W > pixels, and after a while of running X, rectangular chunks of windows > start appearing in weird places, and I finally have to shut it down. > Below is the XF86Config file. If anyone has any suggestions, I would > love to hear them. (BTW, this is the machine that I wanted to bring > to the Linux Clinic last Saturday, which was cancelled.) See below for a suggestion for the cursor problem. That's all I can take a guess at, not knowing more about your hardware or SiS in general. You might also look at /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/README.SiS (or run 'locate README.SiS' to find it if it isn't there). Hm, here's an interesting bit from this file, which, depending on your screen size, might explain why it'll only work 8bpp: VideoRAM size The SiS chips can only directly address 4096K bytes of video RAM. Some video cards using these chips are shipped with additional video RAM. The videoRAM must be explicitly limited to 4096 for those cards. Attempting to use the additional RAM leads to a variety of scrambled screen artifacts. ... > Section "Device" > Identifier "sis6326" > Driver "sis" > VideoRam 8192 > # Option "no_accel" # Use this if acceleration is causing problems > # Option "fifo_moderate" > # Option "fifo_conserv" > # Option "fifo_aggresive" > # Option "fast_vram" > # Option "pci_burst_on" > # Option "xaa_benchmark" # DON'T use with "ext_eng_queue" !!! > # Option "ext_eng_queue" # Turbo-queue. This can cause drawing > # errors, but gives some accel > # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate Try adding here: Option "sw_cursor" and see if that makes your cursor behave better. > EndSection Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 29 18:17:22 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Setting up a mail server In-Reply-To: <20020429180016.9A2DE745B6@john.meissen.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 john at meissen.org wrote: > Depends on how the ISP has their system configured. Generally it's a > bad idea to have mail stored in more than one location. If they > don't have access to the same mail spool secondary mail servers are > usually configured to accept mail to store and forward once the primary > server comes back online. john- I will ask our ISP to add an MX record so ours is the primary server and they act as backup. I didn't make myself clear. Thanks, Rich From wcooley at nakedape.cc Mon Apr 29 18:19:36 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:19:36 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 In-Reply-To: ; from RobertsLinuxPosts@CorralCreek.com on Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 03:25:46PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020429111936.M30462@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Robert on Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 03:25:46PM PDT > It was /dev/ttyS4. I added the / when I posted. This is most unusual. /dev/ttyS4 would be COM5 in DOS/Windows/BIOS, which is unusual in PC configurations. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 29 18:19:30 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Setting up a mail server In-Reply-To: <20020429110225.J30462@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Wil Cooley wrote: > Not necessarily. If your ISP sets themselves up as only a secondary (they > configure themselves to accept or relay messages for your domains but not > deliver "locally" [i.e., to your inbox on their mail servers]), then it > will forward messages it had accepted for your domain when yours comes > back up. (It does it automatically, but not immediately, because it > checks periodically.) Wil, That's what I want. No need to put it in a mailbox there. So, running POP3 or IMAP is necessary only when a user's mail is stored on a remote server and must be retrieved from there for delivery to his/her local mailbox. Yes? Thanks, Rich From wcooley at nakedape.cc Mon Apr 29 18:33:08 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:33:08 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Setting up a mail server In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 11:19:30AM -0700 References: <20020429110225.J30462@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <20020429113308.N30462@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Rich Shepard on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 11:19:30AM PDT > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Wil Cooley wrote: > > > Not necessarily. If your ISP sets themselves up as only a secondary (they > > configure themselves to accept or relay messages for your domains but not > > deliver "locally" [i.e., to your inbox on their mail servers]), then it > > will forward messages it had accepted for your domain when yours comes > > back up. (It does it automatically, but not immediately, because it > > checks periodically.) > > Wil, > > That's what I want. No need to put it in a mailbox there. > > So, running POP3 or IMAP is necessary only when a user's mail is stored on > a remote server and must be retrieved from there for delivery to his/her > local mailbox. Yes? Yes. Well, yes. It's not quite that simple of an answer, but from what I think you want to do, it is. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From m at netpro.to Mon Apr 29 18:38:54 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Robert, I'm sorry you took offense at the troll sign. It just didn't seem like you were interested in getting help and were more interested in slamming Linux. Linux definitely has a lot of room for improvement and it's getting better each day. I hope that you keep using Linux and learning more about it. There are a lot of knowledgeable people on this list that would love to help you with Linux, but it also helps everyone involved if you take a less aggressive stance. ~M On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Robert wrote: > With that in mind I have just blocked you Matt Alexander. One strike and > your out. Asshole. > > Robert > > > > "Matt Alexander" wrote in message > news:mailman.1020041123.1633.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > > +--------------+ > > | PLEASE | > > | DO NOT FEED | > > | THE TROLLS | > > | --The Mgt.| > > +------++------+ > > || > > o o o || * > > ,,\|/,,,||,,,/,,, > > ---+-------------- > > > > > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Robert wrote: > > > > > The trouble with posting more details is I could spend all day writing > down > > > error messages or steps I took to get nowhere. After hours of > frustration > > > with Linux I do what most people do and give up. More people have tried > > > Linux then stick with it. The last thing I will do after a few late > night > > > hours of frustration while trying to scan a picture is log onto a > newsgroup. > > > I went to bed instead. The next night I scanned in Windows 98 and > thanked > > > God for Bill Gates. I also put Linux away for a month. > > > > > > I did spend some more time with SuSE 8.0, nearly 6 hours now, and I now > say > > > it is the absolute worst Linux I have ever used. It absolutely refuses > to > > > detect my modem, refuses to link up with my network printer, and is > > > generally useless. In my opinion it is a degraded version of 7.2. > Since > > > the older version worked fine with my computer modem and the new version > > > can't even detect it, what else am I supposed to say? I like Debian > much > > > better. It refused to install on my computer so I never wasted hours > trying > > > to configure it. SuSE should have had the grace to do the same. > > > > > > As for SuSE help, one of the things that made me go to Red Hat 7.2 was > that > > > after months of trying to get SuSE 7.2 to work with my network, I > decided > > > that instead of just reading portions here and there of the supplied > "SuSE > > > Linux 7.2 Network" book, I would read it from the beginning, cover to > cover. > > > In the beginning I found the following description of the book: > "Although > > > installation support is extensive, any network setup is not included." > In > > > other words, it a damn book on theory, not actual practice. It lacks > actual > > > setup procedures for networks. I should have known better than spend > any > > > more money on 8.0 or waste my time trying to set it up. > > > > > > Most people just give up. I stuck it out with Linux, and get frustrated > as > > > hell trying to get it to work. If I was doing it all for fun I could > > > probably post every error message or click that did nothing. But I was > > > relying on it, making it all the more frustrating when it doesn't work. > > > > > > I am putting Linux away now. I am not sure when I will want to boot > into it > > > again. I am limiting myself to Windows for the rest of the day so I can > have > > > a restful nights sleep. Linux will have to wait a few weeks or until I > get > > > some fresh enthusiasm. > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > "Russell Evans" wrote in message > > > news:mailman.1020034882.30869.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > > > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:18:56 -0700, Robert said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. > > > Weird > > > > > though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie would > > > normally > > > > > use by default, so I choose them individually. Among them Netscape > > > 6.2, CD > > > > > burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though Mozilla browser is > > > there, > > > > > by default they leave out the mail program!?). > > > > > > > > SuSE 8.0 default install with office assumes you will use KDE 3.0 and > that > > > > comes with Konqueror and Kmail. The reason Mozilla is installed is so > > > that you > > > > can chose to use the geeko engine if you like and the mozilla plugins. > > > Netscape > > > > 6.2 is really Mozilla with marketing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a > > > science > > > > > now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In Red > Hat > > > my > > > > > modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes as far as > /S3 > > > and > > > > > even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No amount of > > > experimenting > > > > > with settings was able to produce a recognizable modem. I went > through > > > > > every listed setting. So no internet access. > > > > > > > > > > > > > As noted in other posts, you seem to be making some mistake in posting > or > > > > configuration. In Yast2 that is a hardware icon that will probe your > > > hardware > > > > and give you a very nice read out. You can use this to find your modem > > > > settings. > > > > > > > > > I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, > but > > > found > > > > > it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have ever > > > (not > > > > > been able to) use(d). > > > > > > > > As you don't say what CDBurner program you are using there isn't > anyway to > > > know > > > > what your issue is. I assume you read the manual on setting up an IDE > > > cdrom, if > > > > you are using one. The SuSE manual is one of the best parts of the > > > > distribution. At $40 a crack, I would get my money's worth and read > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It also detected my scanner automatically, but > > > > > whenever I click on anything to do with the scanner, nothing > happens. > > > At > > > > > least with Red Hat, it scans an image, lets me look at it, and then > > > refuses > > > > > to save it! > > > > > > > > Click, click, click, and nothing happens. I assume you're venting > > > frustration > > > > here and not really looking for help. If you are looking for help, > some > > > more > > > > information will be needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts > and > > > menus > > > > > are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like > wasting > > > > > time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can ever be > and > > > I > > > > > will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it might, God > > > willing, > > > > > detect the modem next time. > > > > > > > > I think you will be wasting your time reinstalling in hopes of finding > > > your > > > > modem. Since you bought the distribution you should use the install > > > support > > > > that came with it. I have found the SuSE support helpful and timely in > the > > > two > > > > cases were I needed it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the > school > > > > > districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I > now > > > am > > > > > spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft > provides > > > an > > > > > operating system that actually works right out of the box. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What this really means, is that Mircosoft had the money, or market > share > > > to > > > > make the hardware vendor supply the hardware documentation or write a > > > driver > > > > that worked. > > > > > > > > Linux has neither and so hardware support is not universal and > sometimes > > > even > > > > the best installer fails on supported hardware. > > > > > > > > We all have bad installs. I spent Friday night trying to Win2K on a > box > > > and > > > > that install was unsuccessful. The box would take Win98se and XP but > not > > > W2K. I > > > > of course, bought W2k for it, not either of the others, so I was very > > > unhappy. > > > > What can you do? Relax and make lemonade is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > Russell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From jeme at brelin.net Mon Apr 29 18:50:11 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Consultants page? In-Reply-To: <6AD013A87FEEC5441AE85D10744DEDCD@dh1867.go2netmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, d h wrote: > Is there still a page on the PLUG website that lists consultants? > The link is broken, and I need to speak to a consultant about Linux > server/email for our non-profit organization. I would love to help with your non-profit... probably even without fee if I can use you as a reference after the fact. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From jeme at brelin.net Mon Apr 29 18:57:17 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Looking for a good DSL provider In-Reply-To: <20020428000455.831.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Brian wrote: > I just bought a house that is qualified to get DSL up near PCC. I'm > wondering what is a good provider to use. Specifically, I'm looking > to run my own webserver, email, dns primary, etc. I used to do this > in Indiana with Verizon, but that was back in the days when they would > give you a static IP and had reasonable service (read: they left you > alone). If could also provide a link to their website when you do > make a suggestion. Thanks a lot. This is where I usually give my rave about how fantastic Speakeasy is and all that they have done for me. They ENCOURAGE running services on the DSL line, happily configure reverse DNS for your assigned IPs and have options for paying as little money as possible to the local telco. You should check the archives for this question to see the full endorsement because the question comes up every couple of months. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From jeme at brelin.net Mon Apr 29 19:01:29 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Something Neat In-Reply-To: <3CCD6B0C.1000306@sun.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Richard Langis wrote: > Anyway, for internet connectivity, we have a dial-up modem. Said > modem is on a Debian box running pppd. It's also on a phone line that > we get most of our incoming calls, and frequenly disconnects due to > call waiting beeps or random line noise. Frustrating, to say the > least. Um, have you just tried putting a *70 (or whatever it is for your telco in your area) in front of the dialed number to suspend call waiting during the session? Just a thought. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Mon Apr 29 19:24:32 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:24:32 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 References: Message-ID: I think I have seen it listed as COM5 in the past, somewhere, perhaps in a program. But when I check under device manager (in windows xp) it says COM3 as well as PCI Slot 4 (PCI Bus 0, device 11, function 0). I/O Range EC00 - EC07 It is a US Robotics 56K Fax PCI. The motherboard is a FIC AD-11. I could not find anything about it in the Bios settings. Thanks Robert "Wil Cooley" wrote in message news:mailman.1020104453.26829.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... Also Sprach Robert on Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 03:25:46PM PDT > It was /dev/ttyS4. I added the / when I posted. This is most unusual. /dev/ttyS4 would be COM5 in DOS/Windows/BIOS, which is unusual in PC configurations. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Mon Apr 29 19:33:19 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:33:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 References: Message-ID: I don't know what 'dmesg' and 'lspci' are or where to find them. Since I can't do anything with the SuSE installation, I don't know how I could copy it or send it anyway. Maybe I could sent it from the working Red Hat installation, but I'm not sure if that would be helpful. Thanks Robert "Brian Horan" wrote in message news:mailman.1020068783.12144.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > Is there anyway you can send me (off-list perhaps) a copy of the output of > 'dmesg'? and also whether the modem is an internal or external modem? > and maybe even the output of 'lspci'? and a number 4 super-sized with a diet > coke? > > I'd like to help. > -Brian > > > > On Monday 29 April 2002 03:08 am, you wrote: > > I think that SuSE 8.0 hates my modem so I've fired it for now. To further > > complicate the issue my modem settings in Red Hat 7.2 are /ttyS4 and in the > > previous SuSE 7.2 were /ttyS2. I tried every default setting listed today > > and none worked. It reminded me of the first few times I installed Linux > > (on a previous computer) and couldn't get the modem to work because it was > > a winmodem. > > > > I might try installing it on my Dell, which liked Red Hat 7.2, but spit at > > every other version I tried. If all else fails I will just stick to Red > > Hat. The main advantage to these other Linux versions is they teach me > > something new to do in Red Hat that I would not otherwise have known. > > > > I checked out a SuSE newsgroup today and didn't see anyone else with a > > modem problem. I'll wait a few days to see if anyone finds something wrong > > with the default install. It's just too strange that it does not detect > > the modem at all. > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > "Mike De La Mater" wrote in message > > news:mailman.1020031583.28096.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > > > > > I'm sorry to hear about your poor ecperineces with Linux. It took me > > > quite > > > > a > > > > > while to get any good at installing it, too. There is a lot of things > > > that > > > > good > > > > > installations depend on, and I made/make them too. The sesktop is the > > > > hardest > > > > > place to make it install well. I have had great experiences with it on a > > > > laptop > > > > > even, so I know the later distros can go well. > > > > > > If you've got specific problems, please be sure to post your issues right > > > > away, > > > > > and that could reduce the frustration factor, it does for me. Once in a > > > > while I > > > > > get trashed by someone who knows that the answer is in the man page, but > > > > not > > > > > often. > > > > > > Hang in there, it's worth it. Not only do you get a great OS, but it's > > > > free, M$ > > > > > doesn"t profit from it AND you'll be able to help others switch over to > > > an > > > > OS > > > > > that doesn't require you to just shut it all down to see how fast the > > > > machine > > > > > will reboot... > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > 4/28/02 2:18:56 PM, Robert wrote: > > > >As a Linux newbie (2 years of frustration now) I decided to try the new > > > >SuSE 8.0 distribution. I last tried SuSE 7.2 and found it the best > > > > Linux > > > > I > > > > > >had ever used, but gave it up for Red Hat 7.2 because I could not get it > > > > to > > > > > >work right with my network, and standard Linux commands never worked > > > > right. > > > > > >The configuration menus were a real pain too. > > > > > > > >So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. > > > > Weird though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie would > > > > normally > > > > > >use by default, so I choose them individually. Among them Netscape 6.2, > > > > CD > > > > > >burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though Mozilla browser is > > > > there, by default they leave out the mail program!?). > > > > > > > >I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a scie nce > > > >now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In Red Hat my > > > >modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes as far as /S3 > > > > and > > > > > >even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No amount of > > > > experimenting > > > > > >with settings was able to produce a recognizable modem. I went through > > > >every listed setting. So no internet access. > > > > > > > >I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, but > > > > found > > > > > >it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have ever (not > > > >been able to) use(d). It also detected my scanner automatically, but > > > >whenever I click on anything to do with the scanner, nothing happens. > > > > At least with Red Hat, it scans an image, lets me look at it, and then > > > > refuses > > > > > >to save it! > > > > > > > >SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts and > > > > menus > > > > > >are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like wasting > > > >time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can ever be and I > > > >will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it might, God > > > > willing, > > > > > >detect the modem next time. > > > > > > > >Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the school > > > >districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I now > > > > am spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft > > > > provides an operating system that actually works right out of the box. > > > > > > > >As my tolerance for pain increases in the following weeks I'll be back > > > > here > > > > > >asking more questions as I enter week 6 of trying to get Red Hat Linux > > > >Samba to work, as well as CD burning, scanning, and font adjustment. > > > > > > > >Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >PLUG mailing list > > > >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > ---------- > > > Mike De La Mater > > > Mike De La Mater Consulting > > > mikedela at ipns.com > > > 503-702-6749 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- > Brian Horan > bhoran at hexdev.com > From bhoran at hexdev.com Mon Apr 29 20:09:11 2002 From: bhoran at hexdev.com (Brian Horan) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:09:11 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: dmesg is a program installed on linux boxes which shows the boot messages, which devices are attached, if they're recognized, etc..if it is an internal modem in a PCI slot, running the program 'lspci' as root, preferrably...would show where the card is installed, etc. like 'ls' for your PCI slots..It doesn't matter which distro you use, as long as it's the same machine... If you are root, both dmesg and lspci should be in your $PATH, dmesg is probably available to all users... On Monday 29 April 2002 03:33 pm, you wrote: > I don't know what 'dmesg' and 'lspci' are or where to find them. > > Since I can't do anything with the SuSE installation, I don't know how I > could copy it or send it anyway. Maybe I could sent it from the working > Red Hat installation, but I'm not sure if that would be helpful. > > Thanks > Robert > > > > > "Brian Horan" wrote in message > news:mailman.1020068783.12144.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > > > Is there anyway you can send me (off-list perhaps) a copy of the output > > of 'dmesg'? and also whether the modem is an internal or external modem? > > and maybe even the output of 'lspci'? and a number 4 super-sized with a > > diet > > > coke? > > > > I'd like to help. > > -Brian > > > > On Monday 29 April 2002 03:08 am, you wrote: > > > I think that SuSE 8.0 hates my modem so I've fired it for now. To > > further > > > > complicate the issue my modem settings in Red Hat 7.2 are /ttyS4 and in > > the > > > > previous SuSE 7.2 were /ttyS2. I tried every default setting listed > > today > > > > and none worked. It reminded me of the first few times I installed > > Linux > > > > (on a previous computer) and couldn't get the modem to work because it > > was > > > > a winmodem. > > > > > > I might try installing it on my Dell, which liked Red Hat 7.2, but spit > > at > > > > every other version I tried. If all else fails I will just stick to > > > Red Hat. The main advantage to these other Linux versions is they > > > teach me something new to do in Red Hat that I would not otherwise have > > > known. > > > > > > I checked out a SuSE newsgroup today and didn't see anyone else with a > > > modem problem. I'll wait a few days to see if anyone finds something > > wrong > > > > with the default install. It's just too strange that it does not > > > detect the modem at all. > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike De La Mater" wrote in message > > > news:mailman.1020031583.28096.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > > > > > > > I'm sorry to hear about your poor ecperineces with Linux. It took me > > > > quite > > > > > > a > > > > > > > while to get any good at installing it, too. There is a lot of things > > > > that > > > > > > good > > > > > > > installations depend on, and I made/make them too. The sesktop is the > > > > > > hardest > > > > > > > place to make it install well. I have had great experiences with it > > > > on > > a > > > > laptop > > > > > > > even, so I know the later distros can go well. > > > > > > > > If you've got specific problems, please be sure to post your issues > > right > > > > away, > > > > > > > and that could reduce the frustration factor, it does for me. Once in > > a > > > > while I > > > > > > > get trashed by someone who knows that the answer is in the man page, > > but > > > > not > > > > > > > often. > > > > > > > > Hang in there, it's worth it. Not only do you get a great OS, but > > > > it's > > > > > > free, M$ > > > > > > > doesn"t profit from it AND you'll be able to help others switch over > > to > > > > > an > > > > > > OS > > > > > > > that doesn't require you to just shut it all down to see how fast the > > > > > > machine > > > > > > > will reboot... > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > 4/28/02 2:18:56 PM, Robert wrote: > > > > >As a Linux newbie (2 years of frustration now) I decided to try the > > new > > > > > >SuSE 8.0 distribution. I last tried SuSE 7.2 and found it the best > > > > > Linux > > > > > > I > > > > > > > >had ever used, but gave it up for Red Hat 7.2 because I could not > > > > > get > > it > > > > to > > > > > > > >work right with my network, and standard Linux commands never worked > > > > > > right. > > > > > > > >The configuration menus were a real pain too. > > > > > > > > > >So we arrive at today. SuSE 8.0 installed alright, easily in fact. > > > > > Weird though, it does not install a number of programs any newbie > > would > > > > normally > > > > > > > >use by default, so I choose them individually. Among them Netscape > > 6.2, > > > > CD > > > > > > > >burning software, and Mozilla mail (even though Mozilla browser is > > > > > there, by default they leave out the mail program!?). > > > > > > > > > >I thought I had modem installation and internet access down to a > > > > > scie > > nce > > > > > >now, even in Linux, but the new SuSE has proven me wrong. In Red > > > > > Hat > > my > > > > > >modem is found under /dev/tty/S4. The new SuSE only goes as far as > > /S3 > > > > and > > > > > > > >even if I manually enter /S4 it will not work. No amount of > > > > > > experimenting > > > > > > > >with settings was able to produce a recognizable modem. I went > > through > > > > > >every listed setting. So no internet access. > > > > > > > > > >I gave up on that and decided to now try the CD burning program, but > > > > > > found > > > > > > > >it is as defective as any other Linux CD Burner program I have ever > > (not > > > > > >been able to) use(d). It also detected my scanner automatically, but > > > > >whenever I click on anything to do with the scanner, nothing > > > > > happens. At least with Red Hat, it scans an image, lets me look at > > > > > it, and > > then > > > > refuses > > > > > > > >to save it! > > > > > > > > > >SuSE 8.0 does have some nice new screen backrounds, but the fonts > > > > > and > > > > > > menus > > > > > > > >are typical Linux at its worst or near worst. I don't feel like > > wasting > > > > > >time fiddling with it since it is probably the best it can ever be > > and I > > > > > >will probably reinstall the whole mess again hoping it might, God > > > > > > willing, > > > > > > > >detect the modem next time. > > > > > > > > > >Although I spent the week hating Microsoft and hoping all the school > > > > >districts would ban new Windows purchases and get Linux instead, I > > now > > > > > > am spending the weekend greatfull that a company like Microsoft > > > > > provides an operating system that actually works right out of the > > box. > > > > > >As my tolerance for pain increases in the following weeks I'll be > > back > > > > here > > > > > > > >asking more questions as I enter week 6 of trying to get Red Hat > > Linux > > > > > >Samba to work, as well as CD burning, scanning, and font adjustment. > > > > > > > > > >Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >PLUG mailing list > > > > >PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > Mike De La Mater > > > > Mike De La Mater Consulting > > > > mikedela at ipns.com > > > > 503-702-6749 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > -- > > Brian Horan > > bhoran at hexdev.com > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com From RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com Mon Apr 29 19:51:13 2002 From: RobertsLinuxPosts at CorralCreek.com (Robert) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:51:13 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 References: Message-ID: The modem is a US Robotics 56K Fax PCI. The scanner is a HP ScanJet 5200C, but it was using Mandrake 8.2 that I had file save problem, as well as many others. In Red Hat the scanner was not detected by default and I haven't got to even trying to configure it yet. My latest Mandrake install was such a mess I never even bothered posting about it. Before I tried Red Hat 7.2 and SuSE 7.2, Mandrake 8.0 was the best Linux I had ever tried. I don't know why 8.2 was so different. I am using the same computer, but something in the two new distros has changed, and it no longer works properly with my computer. The motherboard is a FIC AD-11, if that is any clue. I did replace the motherboard with a new one, same make and model, a few months ago due to an unrelated cold boot problem. I hope there is not some defect there. Thanks Robert "Mark Morgan" wrote in message news:mailman.1020093924.18116.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > Robert wrote: > > > I think that SuSE 8.0 hates my modem so I've fired it for now. To further > > complicate the issue my modem settings in Red Hat 7.2 are /ttyS4 and in the > > previous SuSE 7.2 were /ttyS2. I tried every default setting listed today > > and none worked. It reminded me of the first few times I installed Linux > > (on a previous computer) and couldn't get the modem to work because it was a > > winmodem. > > > > A huge help would be what modem do you have and what scanner? > > -Mark > > > From dzeut at microsharp.com Mon Apr 29 20:10:29 2002 From: dzeut at microsharp.com (Dale Zeut) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:10:29 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Sendmail delivery problems Message-ID: <200204292010.g3TKATA25661@microsharp.com> I have sendmail running and has been working for about a year. Starting last month I have had trouble sending to several ISP like aol, nwlink, ... The problem appears to be DNS related and is intermittant (1 in 10 messages goes through). The error message I get is: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 5.1.2 >... Host unknown (Name server: mailin-01.mx.aol.com.: no data known) dig MX aol.com does show the mailin-01.mx.aol.com and if I ping it from the mail server it usually gives me unknown host. I have tried using different DNS hosts and ... Any susguestion on what I did or what happened and what I need to do are appreciated. -- Dale Zeutenhorst From cccs at teleport.com Mon Apr 29 20:36:46 2002 From: cccs at teleport.com (Rick Konold) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:36:46 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Monday 29 April 2002 12:33, Robert wrote: > I don't know what 'dmesg' and 'lspci' are or where to find them. >From this statement, and those you made in a couple of other posts, it is obvious that your "System Administrator" does not know enough about Linux to configure or trouble shoot it. Jumping from one distro to another, hoping one of them will magically configure everthing for you is not going to happen. I suggest you settle on a distro to learn and then buy a "real book" on how to configure that distro. As an alternative, the online documentation is great for learning Linux as well, and you can read it in Windows if you like ;-) The "getting started" books that come with those distributions are not adequate for learning everything you need to know, and are not meant to be. They assume you know the basics. I am sure there are lots of us here that are willing to help you set up your system if you take the problems one at a time, and supply the necessary info. But if you don't know how to open a terminal and look at a config. file, it is difficult to assist you. I hate to say RTFM, but you have to know some basic bash commands and learn your way around the filesystem. GUI's are nice, but when they don't work, you need to know what files to look at, to figure it out. > > Since I can't do anything with the SuSE installation, I don't know how I > could copy it or send it anyway. Maybe I could sent it from the working > Red Hat installation, but I'm not sure if that would be helpful. Send the dmesg output to a text file, copy it to a floppy, open the floppy in Windows, cut and paste it to the e-mail message. There is no such thing as "can't do", just a lot of work to make it "can do". > > Thanks > Robert -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Rick Konold ~~ Linux Advocate In a world without fences we don't need Gates. This message brought to you by KMail on Linux RedHat 7.2 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From don at truedisk.com Mon Apr 29 20:56:08 2002 From: don at truedisk.com (Don Buchholz) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:56:08 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Printing question for non-Linux users References: <1019953811.12691.45.camel@Dustpuppy> Message-ID: <3CCDB368.BD51B731@truedisk.com> Three main points for print security: 1) Print queus areas: In the past (prior to all these graphical printer config tools), my approach used to be: drwxrwx--- lp lp /var/spool/lp # directory for all print queues drwxrwx--- lp lp /var/spool/lp/printer1 # ... spool area for printer 1 drwxrwx--- lp lp /var/spool/lp/printer2 # ... spool area for printer 2 ... .. .. ... # ... etc. Usually this is stricter than the original operating system setup. I haven't paid too much attention lately (environment doesn't have 'hostile' print services users), so I can't speak to the configurations used by new systems like 'printconf' and 'CUPS'. 2) Print Filters: Should the print queue call out for a pre- or post-processing filter, the filter must be protected from any mischief (i.e. it, nor any of it's parent directories, must be writable by any non-administrative account). 3) Network: Make sure your system only accepts print requests from allowed hosts. Ways to implement this include /etc/hosts.lpd, TCP wrappers (/etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny), and firewall rules. I find the denial-of-service problem is sufficiently bad even with allowed users. ;-) Hope that helps. - Don T wrote: > > Just a real quick question for those running *BSD or any of the > commercial UNIX variants - What are the typical/default permissions on > the print queue? Is it typically possible (at least in theory) to view > items in the queue? I have a Linux box myself, so I can check that, but > I don't currently have access to any *NIX boxes, so I'm limited in that > regard. > > The reason for my inquiry is that I'm involved in a course of study that > includes security. One of the attacks that was described involved the > print queue, & I have my questions about how feasible this particular > attack would be. > > I *really* don't want to know any details about anyone's setup, just > what the defaults usually are - or even just some well-reasoned > discussion on the subject. > > Many thanks, > > T. > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- - Don Buchholz - TrueDisk, 7431 NW Evergreen Pkwy - #110, Hillsboro, OR 97124 - voice: 503/615-0888 x266 FAX: 503/693-0873 From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 29 20:57:44 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] CrossOver: best way to do the wrong thing (fwd) Message-ID: This may be useful to some of you; it's certainly applicable to the Portland School audit. Rich ---------- Forwarded message ---------- CODEWEAVER'S CROSSOVER OFFICE IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THE WRONG THING (Source: LinuxWorld.com) Microsoft's Licensing 6.0 should make you want to avoid its software. If you can't or won't and want to run Office and Lotus Notes on your Linux desktop, Codeweaver's CrossOver Office is the best way to go. http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=675692 From john at meissen.org Mon Apr 29 21:06:20 2002 From: john at meissen.org (john at meissen.org) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:06:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 In-Reply-To: (Your message of Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:43:50 PDT.) Message-ID: <20020429210620.0B095745B6@john.meissen.org> A few days ago there was a thread about refurbished Thinkpads. Bill Barry mentioned specific pricing and configuration. I'd be interested in getting one myself. Where were these coming from? john- From rob at euglug.net Mon Apr 29 21:13:13 2002 From: rob at euglug.net (Rob Hudson) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:13:13 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] CrossOver: best way to do the wrong thing (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 01:57:44PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020429141313.A58933@cogit8.org> I just installed the demo of this today -- mostly to test out quicktime and watch apple.com movie trailers. Seeing quicktime installer in a Windows window is kind of creepy, but the install is amazing simple, and it works very well. Almost makes me want to spend the $25 for the non-demo version so the demo splash screen will not get in the way. -Rob > On 20020429.1357, Rich Shepard said ... > > This may be useful to some of you; it's certainly applicable to the > Portland School audit. > > Rich > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > CODEWEAVER'S CROSSOVER OFFICE IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THE WRONG THING > (Source: LinuxWorld.com) Microsoft's Licensing 6.0 should > make you want to avoid its software. If you can't or won't and > want to run Office and Lotus Notes on your Linux desktop, > Codeweaver's CrossOver Office is the best way to go. > http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=675692 > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From dmandel at pdxLinux.org Mon Apr 29 21:18:24 2002 From: dmandel at pdxLinux.org (David Mandel) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] FreeBSD user group In-Reply-To: <3CC8B04A.177DBB8@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Michael Smith wrote: > FreeBSD users vary just like Linux users. > > But supposedly there is some rivalry because FreeBSD was here first but was > held back because of the lawsuit from AT&T because originally FreeBSD was > billed as being UNIX, UNIX being a licensed trademark of AT&T.... This is very true. At least, it was for me. Back in 1993 when I started looking around for a PC based Open Source Unix this lawsuit was very significant in pushing me to Linux over any of the BSDs. My clients were dubious enough about Open Source. There was no way on earth they would have considered anything with the letters "BSD" in it. Linux really benefited from this. On the other hand, I don't really think of Linux as the kernel of some operating system. I use it as a "marketing buzz word" when I want to say "Open Source", but realize the public knows something about Linux and doesn't know much about Open Source. ... > > Some *BSD advocates are jealous of the press that Linux is getting, because > they were there first and they think *BSD is a better product. Linux guys > are quick to point out that because of the BSD license, which allows you to > take the source and close it for commercial ventures, BSD is just a tool > for Microsoft to steal code from. There are parts of the WinXX code that > still has the Copyright for the Regents of the University of California > that nobody removed before they released it. And we won't even talk about > what Apple's added to BSD to get OSX. True, they turned alot of Darwin, > the "guts" back to the community, but the GUI (aqua) is still way > proprietary.... The GNU license is quite restrictive as you must allow others to redistribute any modified GNU code that you distribute in most any form. On the other hand, altho the BSD license is quite free it does have a couple features or restrictions. In particular, it requires that the original authors be given credit for the program and it frees (or at least trys to free) them from any libility for things that happen as a result of using the code. Thus, I'm not sure one can remove copyright statements in BSD licensed code - altho one should probably add copyright statements for any modifications. It isn't fair to credit the original authors with all the errors in various modifications. > > Not really a war, however, more like a "friendly" brotherly feud is how I > would sum it up. > This is a fair statement. Indeed, it can be entertaining to listen to the expressions of "brotherly love" between the Free*BSD, the OpenBSD, and the Net*BSD people. Sincerely, David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 1440 NE 59th Portland, Oregon 97213 (360) 260-2066 at work (541) 730-5285 cell ====================================================================== David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com Other Affiliations David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org ====================================================================== From dmandel at pdxLinux.org Mon Apr 29 21:25:49 2002 From: dmandel at pdxLinux.org (David Mandel) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Re: Linux Help In-Reply-To: <48A2FFA5-5A35-11D6-A4A8-0003931D11A0@mac.com> Message-ID: Kevin, I'm forwarding this to the PLUG list and hoping someone gets back to you. The other thing you might try is attending the clinic at Riverdale School on the third Saturday of the month. Good luck, Dave Mandel P.S. Get back to me if none of this helps. On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Kevin Lindeman wrote: > Hi, i really need help with linux and your mail lists didn't seem to be > working. > I'm only 14, and bought the retail version of Yellow Dog Linux 2.2, but > can't seem to get it working. It has a fatal error trying to install > yaboot, and i can't install it manually using the rescue cd. I have a > rev. B PowerBook G4 CD/RW 550 with Mac OS 9.2.1 and Mac OS X 10.1.3 with > 512 meg and a 20 gig drive with 4 gig partition for YDL. On the Yellow > Dog Linux site, it said they might have sent out bad cd's, but nothing > on that yet. It works for some people and not for others. Thanks in > advance. > > ------------------------------------- > Kevin Lindeman > hehyoda at mac.com > http://home.pacifier.com/~stevel/ > Sincerely, David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 1440 NE 59th Portland, Oregon 97213 (360) 260-2066 at work (541) 730-5285 cell ====================================================================== David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com Other Affiliations David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org ====================================================================== From don at truedisk.com Mon Apr 29 21:32:42 2002 From: don at truedisk.com (Don Buchholz) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:32:42 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Looking for a good DSL provider References: <20020428000455.831.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CCDBBFA.1DDE4963@truedisk.com> I use EasyStreet (the "enthusiast" package). http://www.easystreet.com http://www.easystreet.com/services/easydsl/enthusiast.com They will probably not win the "low bid", but the level of service (since ~1998-99 for me), has been excellent. They do an excellent job of filtering spam from my e-mail. I do an annual purchase and get a discount (10%[?]). I guess the part that I like, is that EasyStreet has a local/regional mission. Headquarters are here. Customer service is here. And when I call, I find I'm often already on a firstname basis with the (competent!) person handling my call. AFAIK, they do have a low turnover rate. One caveat -- I've heard that *all* the local ISP's (EasyStreet, Aracnet, coho.net, Integra, etc.) have been having problems with DSL circuits to/from Verizon lately. The service disruptions are generally only a few minutes, but aggravating. EasyStreet's record of these can be seen at http://support.easystreet.com/System/ The cynical side of me notes these problems crept up at the same time I starting receiving all the snail-mail promotional materials for Verizons combined DSL/ISP service. Methinks the big company is doing their best to sabotague the local guys. :-( - Don Brian wrote: > > I just bought a house that is qualified to get DSL up > near PCC. I'm wondering what is a good provider to > use. Specifically, I'm looking to run my own > webserver, email, dns primary, etc. I used to do this > in Indiana with Verizon, but that was back in the days > when they would give you a static IP and had > reasonable service (read: they left you alone). If > could also provide a link to their website when you do > make a suggestion. Thanks a lot. > > ===== > -Brian Grell > 'Clothes make the man, naked people have little or no influence on society' > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- - Don Buchholz - TrueDisk, 7431 NW Evergreen Pkwy - #110, Hillsboro, OR 97124 - voice: 503/615-0888 x266 FAX: 503/693-0873 From ejahn at worksystems.org Mon Apr 29 21:36:20 2002 From: ejahn at worksystems.org (Eric Jahn) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:36:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] CrossOver: best way to do the wrong thing (fwd) Message-ID: <319FB8934F09BF48A3F322837088266763FFBF@wsimail.worksystems.org> The CrossOver Office is a different product than the plugin product you're referring to, but I wanted to give feedback on the purchased plugin product anyway: QuickTime/Windows Media Player Plugins: work very well, few to no flaws Realplayer plugin: no obvious way to install it, install not automated like the prior two plugin products. I will continue to use the community supported RealPlayer. Word Doc. Viewer: works great Powerpoint Viewer: can't view ?#!! with it, garbles the fonts Overall, I'm glad I bought it because now I can listen to OPB's Windows Media show "New Dimensions" with John Deloberto. :^o -----Original Message----- From: Rob Hudson [mailto:rob at euglug.net] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:13 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] CrossOver: best way to do the wrong thing (fwd) I just installed the demo of this today -- mostly to test out quicktime and watch apple.com movie trailers. Seeing quicktime installer in a Windows window is kind of creepy, but the install is amazing simple, and it works very well. Almost makes me want to spend the $25 for the non-demo version so the demo splash screen will not get in the way. -Rob > On 20020429.1357, Rich Shepard said ... > > This may be useful to some of you; it's certainly applicable to the > Portland School audit. > > Rich > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > CODEWEAVER'S CROSSOVER OFFICE IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THE WRONG THING > (Source: LinuxWorld.com) Microsoft's Licensing 6.0 should make you > want to avoid its software. If you can't or won't and want to run > Office and Lotus Notes on your Linux desktop, Codeweaver's CrossOver > Office is the best way to go. http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=675692 > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From jeme at brelin.net Mon Apr 29 21:54:25 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] FreeBSD user group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, David Mandel wrote: > The GNU license is quite restrictive as you must allow others to > redistribute any modified GNU code that you distribute in most any > form. This is a VERY odd use of the word "restrictive". You say that the GPL is "restrictive" because it doesn't allow you to restrict the freedom of the code. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From alex at daniloff.com Mon Apr 29 22:06:08 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:06:08 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Linux Database and Web server considerations In-Reply-To: <20020429210620.0B095745B6@john.meissen.org> Message-ID: <200204292206.g3TM68607894@gate.daniloff.com> Hello Linux folkz, Is this a good idea to put Firewall, NFS, Database and Web services on one Linux box or they should be separated? The Web server part is a database driven interface through persistent fcgi scripts. The Database server should be able to operate in a long run with up to 60GB of critical data. The Firewall should keep in stealth mode all unnessesary ports and provide masquerading and routing for a small internal network. The NFS server should export publicly shared data directory to the internal network. I proposed this configuration: A separate Linux box provides firewall/masquerading/routing services. The second Linux box serves as a NFS, Database and Web server to generate less network traffic during database queries. One co-worker proposed less costly alternative to put everything on one box. Another one expressed his opinion in separating all services between four Linux boxes. Since we are on a tight budget we can't create dedicated data center for our tasks. Could somebody enlighten me what are advantages and drawbacks of both these methods. What is a cheapest variant in this situation. Thank you in advance. Alex From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 29 22:10:43 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Run-level configurators Message-ID: Can someone point me to a document (or just explain to me) the differences between ntsysv and chkconfig? When would one be used/preferred over the other? Thanks, Rich From wcooley at nakedape.cc Mon Apr 29 22:19:36 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:19:36 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Run-level configurators In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 03:10:43PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020429151936.W30462@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Rich Shepard on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 03:10:43PM PDT > Can someone point me to a document (or just explain to me) the differences > between ntsysv and chkconfig? When would one be used/preferred over the > other? Well, chkconfig is a command-line editor, whereas ntsysv is a curses-based editor. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From russj at dimstar.net Mon Apr 29 22:23:22 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:23:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Linux Database and Web server considerations In-Reply-To: <200204292206.g3TM68607894@gate.daniloff.com> References: <20020429210620.0B095745B6@john.meissen.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020429152239.01f8cac8@localhost> At 03:06 PM 4/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hello Linux folkz, >Is this a good idea to put Firewall, NFS, Database and Web services on >one Linux box or they should be separated? Firewall functions should always (best practice) be on their own box. Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net In Alaska, where it gets very cold, pi is only 3.00. As you know, everything shrinks in the cold. They call it Eskimo pi. From wcooley at nakedape.cc Mon Apr 29 22:24:52 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:24:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Linux Database and Web server considerations In-Reply-To: <200204292206.g3TM68607894@gate.daniloff.com>; from alex@daniloff.com on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 03:06:08PM -0700 References: <20020429210620.0B095745B6@john.meissen.org> <200204292206.g3TM68607894@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: <20020429152452.X30462@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Alex Daniloff on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 03:06:08PM PDT > Hello Linux folkz, > Is this a good idea to put Firewall, NFS, Database and Web services on > one Linux box or they should be separated? The firewall should definitely be a separate box. > The Web server part is a database driven interface through persistent > fcgi scripts. The Database server should be able to operate in a > long run with up to 60GB of critical data. The Firewall should keep > in stealth mode all unnessesary ports and provide masquerading and > routing for a small internal network. The NFS server should export > publicly shared data directory to the internal network. > I proposed this configuration: A separate Linux box provides > firewall/masquerading/routing services. The second Linux box serves > as a NFS, Database and Web server to generate less network traffic > during database queries. > One co-worker proposed less costly alternative to put everything on > one box. > Another one expressed his opinion in separating all services between > four Linux boxes. > Since we are on a tight budget we can't create dedicated data center > for our tasks. > Could somebody enlighten me what are advantages and drawbacks of both > these methods. What is a cheapest variant in this situation. For the cost-conscious, the 2-box configuration is adequate. For reliability and servicabliity, I tend to prefer to have as many boxes doing as few things as possible. For example, if you have mail service and file service running on the same box, you can't take down one service without taking down both. (Say, to put more memory in.) Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From don at truedisk.com Mon Apr 29 22:28:12 2002 From: don at truedisk.com (Don Buchholz) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:28:12 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Run-level configurators References: Message-ID: <3CCDC8FC.3A066302@truedisk.com> Rich Shepard wrote: > > Can someone point me to a document (or just explain to me) the > differences between ntsysv and chkconfig? When would one be > used/preferred over the other? > 1) Past exposure to IRIX will bias one towards chkconfig. :-) 2) If you need non-interactive behavior (e.g. in scripts), chkconfig is a better bet. 3) If you don't already know the service name in advance, then ntsysv is better. 4) Terminal-handling problems (terminfo database) can make a curses-based package like ntsysv hard to use. 5) "chkconfig --list" let's you see all services for all levels in a single screen. IMHO, it all seems to boil down to whether or not you are familiar with the services and their names. For me, chkconfig wins because of #1, #2, and #5 (#4 hasn't been a consideration lately). -- - Don Buchholz - TrueDisk, 7431 NW Evergreen Pkwy - #110, Hillsboro, OR 97124 - voice: 503/615-0888 x266 FAX: 503/693-0873 From richard.langis at sun.com Mon Apr 29 22:27:44 2002 From: richard.langis at sun.com (Richard Langis) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:27:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Linux Database and Web server considerations References: <200204292206.g3TM68607894@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: <3CCDC8E0.2080505@sun.com> Well, for the sake of reliability, you might want to split them up between machines. Of course, it all depends on what kind of load you'll have, as well as what kind of hardware you'll have serving such demands. What I, personally, would do is split the firewall/masq/router from the others, and make a dedicated NFS/DB/Web box. This keeps your data one machine away from the DMZ. Your mileage may vary, and of course I'm sure others on the list will have more varied responses. -Richard Alex Daniloff wrote: > Hello Linux folkz, > Is this a good idea to put Firewall, NFS, Database and Web services on > one Linux box or they should be separated? > > The Web server part is a database driven interface through persistent > fcgi scripts. > The Database server should be able to operate in a long run with up to > 60GB of critical data. > The Firewall should keep in stealth mode all unnessesary ports and > provide masquerading and routing for a small internal network. > The NFS server should export publicly shared data directory to the > internal network. > > I proposed this configuration: > A separate Linux box provides firewall/masquerading/routing services. > The second Linux box serves as a NFS, Database and Web server to > generate less network traffic during database queries. > > One co-worker proposed less costly alternative to put everything on > one box. > > Another one expressed his opinion in separating all services between > four Linux boxes. > > Since we are on a tight budget we can't create dedicated data center > for our tasks. > > Could somebody enlighten me what are advantages and drawbacks of both > these methods. What is a cheapest variant in this situation. > > Thank you in advance. > > Alex > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- s u n m i c r o s y s t e m s ~ Richard Langis Jr. ~ richard.langis at sun.com From fedorp at wv.mentorg.com Mon Apr 29 22:39:20 2002 From: fedorp at wv.mentorg.com (Fedor G. Pikus) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah, that would be a problem. Unless your hardware supports morethan 4 COM ports, you will not be able to use COM5. COM5 device may look close enough to a COM3 device for device manager to misidentify it, and if the modem is not designed to be "really" COM5 it may even work under some circumstances, but if everything worked as strictly by the book the modem would not even be recognized. Now, it's possible that you have hardware which can handle more than 4 COM ports. Then wiht Linux you run into another problem: it's a special compilation option for the kernel to support more than 4 ports, and it's almost never enabled by default because nobody ever uses it (there are multiport IO cards which provide 8 or more ports, they are supported, there are modules which provide drivers, but >4 ports without such card is extremely rare). I don't know if enabling >4 ports on Linux without a special card creates a module or goes directly into the kernel. If it's a module you can load it, otherwise you have to recompile the kernel if you insist on using COM5. On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Robert wrote: > I think I have seen it listed as COM5 in the past, somewhere, perhaps in a > program. > > But when I check under device manager (in windows xp) it says COM3 as well > as PCI Slot 4 (PCI Bus 0, device 11, function 0). > > I/O Range EC00 - EC07 > > It is a US Robotics 56K Fax PCI. The motherboard is a FIC AD-11. > > I could not find anything about it in the Bios settings. > > Thanks > Robert > > > "Wil Cooley" wrote in message > news:mailman.1020104453.26829.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > Also Sprach Robert on Sun, Apr 28, 2002 > at 03:25:46PM PDT > > It was /dev/ttyS4. I added the / when I posted. > > This is most unusual. /dev/ttyS4 would be COM5 in DOS/Windows/BIOS, > which is unusual in PC configurations. > > Wil > -- > Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc > Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc > * Linux and Network Consulting * > irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Fedor G. Pikus Mentor Graphics Corporation | Phone: (503) 685-4857 8405 SW Boeckman Road | FAX: (503) 685-1239 Wilsonville, Oregon 97070 | http://www.pikus.net/~pikus/ From brucek at kingkon.com Mon Apr 29 23:14:29 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:14:29 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Mail Man Help! Message-ID: <20020429161428.A1484@defiant> Howdy! Where does this come from, and how do I make it go away! Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ? from Mailman import MailList EOFError: EOF read where object expected -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Mon Apr 29 16:24:06 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (D. Cooper Stevenson) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:24:06 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Linux Database and Web server considerations In-Reply-To: <200204292206.g3TM68607894@gate.daniloff.com>; from alex@daniloff.com on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 03:06:08PM -0700 References: <20020429210620.0B095745B6@john.meissen.org> <200204292206.g3TM68607894@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: <20020429092406.A1319@linux-enterprise.net> > Hello Linux folkz, > Is this a good idea to put Firewall, NFS, Database and Web services on > one Linux box or they should be separated? > NFS, Database, and Web services, on the same box with details. Firewall, DEFINATELY NOT! The firewall should have two network cards, 1 to point to the outside world and 1 to point to the inside network. I believe there is a Security HOWTO that goes into more detail on this. On larger systems you need to think about how the NFS system might compete with the database server for hard drive or "spindle" access. For example, it might be a good idea to configure your NFS shares on drives that are *not* accessed by the database. > The Web server part is a database driven interface through persistent > fcgi scripts. > The Database server should be able to operate in a long run with up to > 60GB of critical data. > The Firewall should keep in stealth mode all unnessesary ports and > provide masquerading and routing for a small internal network. > The NFS server should export publicly shared data directory to the > internal network. > > I proposed this configuration: > A separate Linux box provides firewall/masquerading/routing services. > The second Linux box serves as a NFS, Database and Web server to > generate less network traffic during database queries. > I agree with this. Most security experts will wrinkle their noses at the thought of putting firewalling on the same box as the critical data. The good news is that there is a Linux distrobution specifically dedicated for firewalls. It is very tight and can be run on a 486!!! You don't need a Cisco if you're willing to take a crack and making your own firewall. I believe the distro also has a web configuration interface. > One co-worker proposed less costly alternative to put everything on > one box. > Schnope. See above. > Another one expressed his opinion in separating all services between > four Linux boxes. > I smell an NT guy suggesting a "one box per service" solution. > Since we are on a tight budget we can't create dedicated data center > for our tasks. > > Could somebody enlighten me what are advantages and drawbacks of both > these methods. What is a cheapest variant in this situation. > > Thank you in advance. > > Alex > -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper.stevenson at wahchang.com UNIX Administrator |PH: (541)791-1322 Telledyne Wah Chang |FAX: (541)924-6895 ------------------------------------------------------ From codeyeti at yahoo.com Mon Apr 29 23:32:55 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:32:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Linux Database and Web server considerations References: <200204292206.g3TM68607894@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: <3CCDD824.7EF59633@yahoo.com> I would suggest setting up the following boxen: a firewall/NAT server to create both a DMZ and a internal (192.168.x.x) network a web/database server in the DMZ to serve web stuff a NFS server inside your internal network Yeah, I know, it's 3 boxes, but unless most of the NFS exports are your web pages, I would keep the NFS server on the internal net to keep my life simpler wrt firewall rules and troubleshooting. It also keeps the NFS stuff from getting ran through a firewall, so it's just a miff more responsive (maybe not noticeable at all... YMMV). To more specifically answer your question, though, yes, you can do it all on one box, but it's not a very good idea to provide a single point of failure. The important thing to keep in mind is that the boxen don't have to all be top-line systems. Depending on how much usage you're getting out of the system, you can get away with lower pentium-grade systems. The firewall in particular doesn't need much processor or RAM, just fast PCI network cards. In fact, you can probably get away with something that nobody wants to use as a desktop because it's too "slow" by today's standards. Alot of network servers start life as workstations and then are taken over to be used as servers because they've exceeded their life as a desktop system. Alex Daniloff wrote: > Hello Linux folkz, > Is this a good idea to put Firewall, NFS, Database and Web services on > one Linux box or they should be separated? > > The Web server part is a database driven interface through persistent > fcgi scripts. > The Database server should be able to operate in a long run with up to > 60GB of critical data. > The Firewall should keep in stealth mode all unnessesary ports and > provide masquerading and routing for a small internal network. > The NFS server should export publicly shared data directory to the > internal network. > > I proposed this configuration: > A separate Linux box provides firewall/masquerading/routing services. > The second Linux box serves as a NFS, Database and Web server to > generate less network traffic during database queries. > > One co-worker proposed less costly alternative to put everything on > one box. > > Another one expressed his opinion in separating all services between > four Linux boxes. > > Since we are on a tight budget we can't create dedicated data center > for our tasks. > > Could somebody enlighten me what are advantages and drawbacks of both > these methods. What is a cheapest variant in this situation. > > Thank you in advance. > > Alex -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas *Fscking* Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 29 23:43:30 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Run-level configurators In-Reply-To: <20020429151936.W30462@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Wil Cooley wrote: > Well, chkconfig is a command-line editor, whereas ntsysv is a > curses-based editor. Oh. OK. Thank you, Wil. BFD, eh? Rich From sandbox at pacifier.com Mon Apr 29 23:48:42 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:48:42 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Run-level configurators References: <3CCDC8FC.3A066302@truedisk.com> Message-ID: <3CCDDBDA.1030605@pacifier.com> Don Buchholz wrote: > Rich Shepard wrote: > >> Can someone point me to a document (or just explain to me) the >>differences between ntsysv and chkconfig? When would one be >>used/preferred over the other? >> >> > > 3) If you don't already know the service name in advance, then > ntsysv is better. > > 4) Terminal-handling problems (terminfo database) can make a > curses-based package like ntsysv hard to use. Don't forget the gui tksysv. (If you got X up anyway, that is). -- Kyle Accardi From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 29 23:47:04 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Run-level configurators In-Reply-To: <3CCDC8FC.3A066302@truedisk.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Don Buchholz wrote: > IMHO, it all seems to boil down to whether or not you are familiar with > the services and their names. For me, chkconfig wins because of #1, #2, > and #5 (#4 hasn't been a consideration lately). Thanks, Don. I've used chkconfig a number of times in the past, but wasn't aware of ntsysv until I read about it on the postfix HOWTO. When I read the man page I couldn't see any differences between the two. Rich From jeme at brelin.net Mon Apr 29 23:56:39 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Mail Man Help! In-Reply-To: <20020429161428.A1484@defiant> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Where does this come from, and how do I make it go away! > > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ? > from Mailman import MailList > EOFError: EOF read where object expected It comes from the queue manager for the Mailman mailing list system. Without knowing more, I'm not sure how to tell you what to fix. But mailman is pretty finicky about file permissions and ownership and such. I would first try going into ~mailman/bin and running ./checkperms as the mailman user and seeing what happens then. ./checkperms -f will actually fix the permission problems it finds, but be sure you see what they are first. If you have no need to host mailing lists on that machine, you can just remove the package. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From codeyeti at yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 00:00:30 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:00:30 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Run-level configurators References: <3CCDC8FC.3A066302@truedisk.com> <3CCDDBDA.1030605@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <3CCDDE9A.24C40357@yahoo.com> I'm a big fan of "ln -s /etc/init.d/service /etc/rcx.d/Sxxservice" and "rm /etc/rcx.d/Sxxservice"... um, does this make me weird or something? Yes, I know there are other things that make me weird, I just want to know if it's just in this instance. --Mike -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas *Fscking* Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Apr 29 23:59:53 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] listserv software recommendations? Message-ID: I would like to install a listserv to host a couple of small mail lists. My experience on mail lists suggests that mailman is the way to go: need to pre-subscribe; fairly secure. However, I don't run a http server (i.e., apache) and I really don't want to set up one. How about minordomo or any of the others? What options do I have? Thanks, Rich From wcooley at nakedape.cc Tue Apr 30 00:05:47 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:05:47 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Run-level configurators In-Reply-To: <3CCDDE9A.24C40357@yahoo.com>; from codeyeti@yahoo.com on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 05:00:30PM -0700 References: <3CCDC8FC.3A066302@truedisk.com> <3CCDDBDA.1030605@pacifier.com> <3CCDDE9A.24C40357@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020429170547.Z30462@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Michael Smith on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 05:00:30PM PDT > I'm a big fan of "ln -s /etc/init.d/service /etc/rcx.d/Sxxservice" > and "rm /etc/rcx.d/Sxxservice"... um, does this make me weird or > something? > > Yes, I know there are other things that make me weird, I just want to > know if it's just in this instance. Yeah, it does. :P Your method also doesn't determine the 'xx' part of the start & kill scripts from the directives in the scripts themselves, which can cause problems when there are dependencies between services. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Robert2011nospammail at hotmail.com Tue Apr 30 01:30:02 2002 From: Robert2011nospammail at hotmail.com (Robert) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:30:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 References: Message-ID: Matt, I'm sorry I resorted to name calling and will unblock you on my home computer :) It was a really bad day trying to get that distro to work and I was pretty frustrated with computers in general. I usually just brush off comments like that, but yesterday it got to me. Again, I'm sorry I lashed out. Last night someone started a newsletter spam attack against me over this. No newsgroup posting or opinion is worth launching a cyber attack over, at least to me. I even keep my posts in a single subject thread so as not to bother others not interested in it. While I don't claim innocence in this matter (I did make the post), I didn't deserve to be attacked like that either. While we both can say we're sorry, the bigger issue now is a cyber attack occurred as a result of it. I hope it was just a one time thing and I didn't push someone over the edge permanently. The last thing this newsgroup needs is a cyber terrorist. Robert "Matt Alexander" wrote in message news:mailman.1020105503.28082.plug at lists.pdxlinux.org... > Robert, I'm sorry you took offense at the troll sign. It just didn't seem > like you were interested in getting help and were more interested in > slamming Linux. Linux definitely has a lot of room for improvement and > it's getting better each day. I hope that you keep using Linux and > learning more about it. There are a lot of knowledgeable people on this > list that would love to help you with Linux, but it also helps everyone > involved if you take a less aggressive stance. > ~M From sandbox at pacifier.com Tue Apr 30 01:43:59 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:43:59 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Plug for PLUG Message-ID: <3CCDF6DF.8070503@pacifier.com> In the May issue of Linux Magazine (p.54) Randal Schwartz cites Michael Rasmussen's presentation at a PLUG meeting as inpriration? for this month's column. (Playing with web server stats) Won't be online for two months or so, find it at a Fred Meyer magazine rack near you. (It may be behind Gaming Secrets). -- Kyle Accardi From don at truedisk.com Tue Apr 30 01:51:06 2002 From: don at truedisk.com (Don Buchholz) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:51:06 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Run-level configurators References: <3CCDC8FC.3A066302@truedisk.com> <3CCDDBDA.1030605@pacifier.com> <3CCDDE9A.24C40357@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CCDF88A.1D1A2413@truedisk.com> Michael Smith wrote: > > I'm a big fan of "ln -s /etc/init.d/service /etc/rcx.d/Sxxservice" > and "rm /etc/rcx.d/Sxxservice"... um, does this make me weird or > something? > > Yes, I know there are other things that make me weird, I just want to > know if it's just in this instance. > > --Mike I used that method (especially on Solaris systems) before finding chkconfig. I find chkconfig to be *much* less error-prone, and the ability to simply document the start/stop order at the top of the SysV-like startup/shutdown script is pretty nice for my old flaky gray-matter, too. -- - Don Buchholz - TrueDisk, 7431 NW Evergreen Pkwy - #110, Hillsboro, OR 97124 - voice: 503/615-0888 x266 FAX: 503/693-0873 From jon at manymoons.net Tue Apr 30 01:57:31 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: 29 Apr 2002 18:57:31 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Sendmail Relay Problem Message-ID: <1020131851.1508.35.camel@lana.manymoons.net> I have a home network with my linux box as a gateway and a second machine with windoze for the family. I have recently configured my machine to work as a mail server using sendmail, and have had no problems with that. However, when I try to mail from the second machine, it denies the relay. From my /var/log/maillog: Apr 29 18:48:53 lana sendmail[2956]: g3U1mrx02956: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=, relay=sleepy [192.168.1.2], reject=550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied It only does this to external addresses but works fine for internal (manymoons.net) addresses. Any hints and what is going on here? Thanks. From deathfox at moochercrew.org Tue Apr 30 01:55:32 2002 From: deathfox at moochercrew.org (Chris Emery) Date: 29 Apr 2002 18:55:32 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Mail Man Help! In-Reply-To: <20020429161428.A1484@defiant> References: <20020429161428.A1484@defiant> Message-ID: <1020131759.21642.1.camel@arisu> somewhere there should be a Mailman.py or Mailman.so, if it's Mailman.py you could post the file, or just get a new copy of it, if it's Mailman.so (which in my mind would make more sense), probably try to compile a new version of it...That's just a guess...but from the Python Diagnostics that's what it looks like...just a corrupted file... Hope that Helps Chris On Mon, 2002-04-29 at 16:14, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Howdy! > > Where does this come from, and how do I make it go away! > > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ? > from Mailman import MailList > EOFError: EOF read where object expected > > -bk > -- > Bruce Kingsland > Kingsland Konsulting > brucek at kingkon.com > 503-936-1655 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From don at truedisk.com Tue Apr 30 02:15:47 2002 From: don at truedisk.com (Don Buchholz) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:15:47 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Rename script References: <86pu0jke75.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <3CCDFE53.C174B686@truedisk.com> "Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: > > >>>>> "Don" == Don Buchholz writes: > > Don> Add quotes around the two args to mv(1): > Don> #!/bin/sh > Don> for f in * > Don> do > Don> newf=`echo $f | sed -e 's/.*_//'` > Don> mv "$f" "$newf" > Don> done > > Don> If you have double-quotes (") in the file name, well, all bets are off. > > And newlines! > > (Yes, newlines are *legal* in filenames. Caveat Executor.) > > Perl, of course, handles this stuff with ease, and no whitespace worries. > Well, I *was* assuming the W at reZ crew didn't create the files. :-P :-) That is an important caveat. Carraige returns can be really fun in a name, too! For example: touch `perl -e 'print "try_and_\rDELETE_ME!";'` I notice the Linux ls(1) and dir(1) are pretty robust. But "ls | cat" makes life a bit more interesting. (And, I must credit a WareZ group for really hammering home the little lesson that a filename can contain *anything* except '/' or '\0'. May their slimy corpses roast in Hades.) Now, can Perl do it in nice quick one-liner as elegant as Sandy's variable expansion trick? (Sandy's method is handling the "\r" case, and the space " " case pretty well, it seems.) I must confess to not using Perl as much as I ought to -- but the ubiquity of "sh" is pretty much unparalled, so I tend to use it. - Don From jon at manymoons.net Tue Apr 30 02:10:37 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: 29 Apr 2002 19:10:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Sendmail Relay Problem In-Reply-To: <1020131851.1508.35.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <1020131851.1508.35.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <1020132637.1508.38.camel@lana.manymoons.net> It never fails. I will search and search for an answer for hours and as soon as I give up and send a cry for help...... there it is. To be specific, I needed to add the ip for the other machine in the /etc/mail/access file. So, sorry for the trouble. You may disregard :) On Mon, 2002-04-29 at 18:57, Jon Jacob wrote: > I have a home network with my linux box as a gateway and a second > machine with windoze for the family. > > I have recently configured my machine to work as a mail server using > sendmail, and have had no problems with that. However, when I try to > mail from the second machine, it denies the relay. From my > /var/log/maillog: > > > Apr 29 18:48:53 lana sendmail[2956]: g3U1mrx02956: ruleset=check_rcpt, > arg1=, relay=sleepy [192.168.1.2], reject=550 > 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied > > > It only does this to external addresses but works fine for internal > (manymoons.net) addresses. Any hints and what is going on here? > > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From brucek at kingkon.com Tue Apr 30 03:42:29 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:42:29 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Mail Man Help! In-Reply-To: ; from jeme@brelin.net on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 04:56:39PM -0700 References: <20020429161428.A1484@defiant> Message-ID: <20020429204229.G1484@defiant> Jeme A Brelin's Log: StarDate 0429.1656: > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > > Where does this come from, and how do I make it go away! > > > > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner > > > > Traceback (innermost last): > > File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ? > > from Mailman import MailList > > EOFError: EOF read where object expected > > It comes from the queue manager for the Mailman mailing list system. Actually, I found a cron job that calls it once a minute. I commented out that line in the cron job, but it still runs. I dunno why. > Without knowing more, I'm not sure how to tell you what to fix. But > mailman is pretty finicky about file permissions and ownership and such. > > I would first try going into ~mailman/bin and running ./checkperms as the > mailman user and seeing what happens then. ./checkperms -f will actually > fix the permission problems it finds, but be sure you see what they are > first. Did that, but the script fails: [root at defiant mailman]# bin/check_perms Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 50, in ? MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0] TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation executing with -f gives the same error. > If you have no need to host mailing lists on that machine, you can just > remove the package. True, but then I wouldn't learn how to use the package. 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The IBM ones come with Win98 but they claim it is the OS that was on the Laptop originally and you are not paying for the OS license. The notebookcomputer.com version can be purchased without an OS. On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 02:06:20PM -0700, john at meissen.org wrote: > A few days ago there was a thread about refurbished Thinkpads. Bill > Barry mentioned specific pricing and configuration. I'd be interested > in getting one myself. Where were these coming from? > > john- > From sstaples at techcadre.com Mon Apr 29 16:34:15 2002 From: sstaples at techcadre.com (Scott Powell) Date: 29 Apr 2002 09:34:15 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 In-Reply-To: <20020429211207.A2653@edge> References: <20020429210620.0B095745B6@john.meissen.org> <20020429211207.A2653@edge> Message-ID: <1020098056.13199.26.camel@descil.cjb.net> If you want a good deal.. $595: P II 366 mhz 128 ram 10 gig 56k DVD fdd 13.3 inch TFT Complete $534: IBM ThinkPad 390E 366MHz Celeron 96MB 4.8GB 24X CD-ROM 56K 1.44MB Snd and Vid 12.1 TFT Win 98SE Notebook $489: Pentium II 266mhz, 13.3inch, 96MB RAM, 4.0GB, 56k, 24X, floppy. Try pricewatch.com, it's a pretty nice little tool. (Here's the starting page, click 'next' to get to the $595 one, or search around for yourself: http://queen.pricewatch.com/search/search.idq?CiBookMark=N-1be9290-1dde44-187&CiBookmarkSkipCount=-15&cr=thinkpad&qc=%22THINKPAD%22*&l=37896&ne=37942 ) Scott Powell On Mon, 2002-04-29 at 21:12, Bill Barry wrote: > I considered two sources, > > http://www.notebookcomputer.com/ibmthin600pe2.html > and IBM directly, > http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US&cgrfnbr=2047342 > > The ones from notebookcomputer.com are cheaper $550 and have a little > more ram, the ones from IBM are more expensive $625 but have a > longer warranty (90 days compared to 30 days). The IBM ones come with > Win98 but they claim it is the OS that was on the Laptop originally > and you are not paying for the OS license. The notebookcomputer.com > version can be purchased without an OS. > > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 02:06:20PM -0700, john at meissen.org wrote: > > A few days ago there was a thread about refurbished Thinkpads. Bill > > Barry mentioned specific pricing and configuration. I'd be interested > > in getting one myself. Where were these coming from? > > > > john- > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From brucek at kingkon.com Tue Apr 30 04:32:06 2002 From: brucek at kingkon.com (Bruce Kingsland) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:32:06 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] pppd fails Message-ID: <20020429213206.H1484@defiant> Well, I read this neat article in Linux Journal (Feb/Mar) on configuring pppd. And now that I'm moving to a place that _doesn't_ have dsl, I need to make that work. So, I downloaded WvDial (since they pointed out at the end of the article how neat that was), and it won't compile. There's some sort of missing reference to crypt that causes the makefile to exit. So, I went thru the elements of the article. I got the modem configured on the right port, and can make it dial out with minicom, and with pppd chat_connect, but when I try to make it login with my name, it fails. I use ssh normally to log in, and I know the (telnet) password is correct because fetchmail uses it to get the mail, but I can't get the pap_secrets to successfully work. Here is the output of the debug script (pppd /dev/modem 38400 modem lock connect /etc/ppp/chat-connect user brucek defaultroute debug): Apr 29 20:50:07 defiant pppd[14887]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 Apr 29 20:50:38 defiant pppd[14887]: Serial connection established. Apr 29 20:50:38 defiant pppd[14887]: Using interface ppp0 Apr 29 20:50:38 defiant pppd[14887]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem Apr 29 20:50:43 defiant pppd[14887]: Remote message: Request Denied Apr 29 20:50:43 defiant pppd[14887]: PAP authentication failed Apr 29 20:50:43 defiant pppd[14887]: Connection terminated. Apr 29 20:50:44 defiant pppd[14887]: Exit. Apr 29 20:51:17 defiant pppd[14916]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 Apr 29 20:52:00 defiant pppd[14916]: Serial connection established. Apr 29 20:52:00 defiant pppd[14916]: using channel 4 Apr 29 20:52:00 defiant pppd[14916]: Using interface ppp0 Apr 29 20:52:00 defiant pppd[14916]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem Apr 29 20:52:01 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 ] Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 ] Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x5c ] Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x5c ] Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 ] Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x5d ] Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x5d ] Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [PAP AuthReq id=0x1 user="brucek" password=] Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: rcvd [PAP AuthNak id=0x1 "Request Denied"] Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: Remote message: Request Denied Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: PAP authentication failed Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "Failed to authenticate ourselves to peer"] Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: rcvd [LCP TermAck id=0x2] Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: Connection terminated. 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If it doesn't, there's a reason you're running linux - go remove all calls to crypt()/*politely, please!*/ and see if that works. *G* -- A couple of stupid pppd ideas, just because they might help. If not, just slap me with a dead chicken. 1) Try removing the quotation marks around your u/n and password. 2) Make sure your password is correct. I know you already have. Do it again. I've stumbled over problems for days because I was *sure* I had the right password. I was wrong. 3) Send the log to your ISP. The hackers working the support desk should be reasonable if you use full sentences, which you seem pretty capable of. They may even be impressed with the log -- it's better than coffee cup holders, anyway. 4) Don't run it as root. Don't run anything as root, if you can avoid it. Again, I'm no pppd expert, so it may be a requirement, in which case, just ignore my arrogant ramblings. Scott Powell On Mon, 2002-04-29 at 21:32, Bruce Kingsland wrote: > Well, I read this neat article in Linux Journal (Feb/Mar) on > configuring pppd. And now that I'm moving to a place that _doesn't_ > have dsl, I need to make that work. > > So, I downloaded WvDial (since they pointed out at the end of the > article how neat that was), and it won't compile. There's some sort of > missing reference to crypt that causes the makefile to exit. > > So, I went thru the elements of the article. I got the modem > configured on the right port, and can make it dial out with minicom, > and with pppd chat_connect, but when I try to make it login with my > name, it fails. > > I use ssh normally to log in, and I know the (telnet) password is > correct > because fetchmail uses it to get the mail, but I can't get the > pap_secrets to successfully work. Here is the output of the debug > script (pppd /dev/modem 38400 modem lock connect /etc/ppp/chat-connect > user brucek defaultroute debug): > > Apr 29 20:50:07 defiant pppd[14887]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 > Apr 29 20:50:38 defiant pppd[14887]: Serial connection established. > Apr 29 20:50:38 defiant pppd[14887]: Using interface ppp0 > Apr 29 20:50:38 defiant pppd[14887]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem > Apr 29 20:50:43 defiant pppd[14887]: Remote message: Request Denied > Apr 29 20:50:43 defiant pppd[14887]: PAP authentication failed > Apr 29 20:50:43 defiant pppd[14887]: Connection terminated. > Apr 29 20:50:44 defiant pppd[14887]: Exit. > Apr 29 20:51:17 defiant pppd[14916]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 > Apr 29 20:52:00 defiant pppd[14916]: Serial connection established. > Apr 29 20:52:00 defiant pppd[14916]: using channel 4 > Apr 29 20:52:00 defiant pppd[14916]: Using interface ppp0 > Apr 29 20:52:00 defiant pppd[14916]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem > Apr 29 20:52:01 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 0x0> ] > Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 0x0> ] > Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x5c 0xa0000> > ] > Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x5c 1524>] > Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 0x0> ] > Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x5d 0xa0000> [local:72.73.76.70]>] > Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x5d 0xa0000> [local:72.73.76.70]>] > Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [PAP AuthReq id=0x1 > user="brucek" password=] > Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: rcvd [PAP AuthNak id=0x1 "Request > Denied"] > Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: Remote message: Request Denied > Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: PAP authentication failed > Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "Failed to > authenticate ourselves to peer"] > Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: rcvd [LCP TermAck id=0x2] > Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: Connection terminated. > Apr 29 20:52:06 defiant pppd[14916]: Exit. > > Anybody got any ideas how to read where my problem is? > > -bk > -- > Bruce Kingsland > Kingsland Konsulting > brucek at kingkon.com > 503-936-1655 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ > D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D > A3D7 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ From lemming at attbi.com Tue Apr 30 04:14:36 2002 From: lemming at attbi.com (Mark Morgan) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:14:36 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Warning About SuSE 8 References: Message-ID: <3CCE1A2C.2040207@attbi.com> Robert wrote: > The modem is a US Robotics 56K Fax PCI. Hmmm. What little I could dig up shows this as a Winmodem. It could be that the driver for this got dropped from the latest distributions. At least for an out of the box config. > The scanner is a HP ScanJet 5200C, but it was using Mandrake 8.2 that I had > file save problem, as well as many others. http://www.buzzard.org.uk/jonathan/scanners-usb.html shows your scanner as working under sane. May take some playing with. -Mark From creelan at engr.orst.edu Tue Apr 30 05:52:14 2002 From: creelan at engr.orst.edu (Tyler F. Creelan) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 In-Reply-To: <20020429210620.0B095745B6@john.meissen.org> Message-ID: > A few days ago there was a thread about refurbished Thinkpads. > ... Where were these coming from? Lycoris sells these preinstalled with lycoris linux and windows 98 for $799. -- Specs: http://lycoris.com/ # BM ThinkPad 600E Laptop # 366 MHz Pentium II # AGP Graphics # DVD ROM Drive and 3.5 inch Disk Drive # 10 GB Hard Drive # 128 RAM # Dual boot Desktop/LX Amethyst and Windows 98 # 13.3 inch TFT Active Matrix Screen # 56k voice/fax modem # Refurbished with 30 day Limited Warranty On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 john at meissen.org wrote: > A few days ago there was a thread about refurbished Thinkpads. Bill > Barry mentioned specific pricing and configuration. I'd be interested > in getting one myself. Where were these coming from? > > john- > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From linux at maneuveringspeed.com Tue Apr 30 06:35:09 2002 From: linux at maneuveringspeed.com (Greg Long) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 23:35:09 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] RE: mailing list redirector recommendations? - Mailman In-Reply-To: <20020429230852.C6635@agora.rdrop.com> Message-ID: <002301c1f011$2ca67020$6401a8c0@endeavor> I've been trying to get it going, but it's got issues: I successfully created the group "klug" and received mail to "klug-admin at localhost.localdomain; on behalf of; mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain" with the links: http://localhost.localdomain/mailman/admin/klug http://localhost.localdomain/mailman/listinfo/klug /var/www/html/mailmain doesn't exist - (running Apache, and a quick check to www.maneuveringspeed.com shows it's running) My /etc/hosts file has been modified to reflect eagle.maneuveringpseed.com - and the correct domain shows up elsewhere, such as in PINE and at the shell prompt, so it must be pulling localhost.localdomain from someplace else. SO.....I guess my main questions are: 1) How can I straighten it out as to which host I actually have? 2) Any tips to get it to create the pages to work in Apache? Someting must be hosed, as check_perms doesn't work: [root at eagle bin]# ./check_perms Traceback (innermost last): File "./check_perms", line 50, in ? MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0] TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation [root at eagle bin]# Any suggestions? -----Original Message----- From: Alan Batie [mailto:alan at batie.org] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:09 PM To: Matt Barringer Cc: Greg Long; pdx-freebsd at toybox.placo.com Subject: Re: mailing list redirector recommendations? On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 04:58:43PM -0700, Matt Barringer wrote: > > any recommendations for a mailling list server software? > It's all about Mailman: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman I'll second that, though I see it at www.list.org. The one drawback is that it's written in Python and the latest port is proving difficult to build. But it works well and has a nice web-based user interface that actually works well. -- Alan Batie ______ www.rdrop.com/users/alan Me alan at batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ razor.sourceforge.net NO SPAM! "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Ben Franklin) From dmandel at pdxLinux.org Tue Apr 30 07:13:47 2002 From: dmandel at pdxLinux.org (David Mandel) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting Message-ID: MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT The Portland Linux/Unix Group will meet 7 PM Thursday May 2, 2002 at Portland State University in the Smith Memorial Center Room 294/296 On the block bounded by SW Montgomery, SW Broadway (7th), SW Harrison, and SW Park (9th) ********************************************************** PRESENTATION Customizing X Windows Making the Applications Look How You Want by Geoff Burling This will be an overview of how to customize applications under X, which appears to be a forgotten art. We will discuss X resources and how to set them, toolkits & widget sets, and a coward's guide to hacking source code. This talk is intended to be an intermediate-level talk. ********************************************************** Agenda: 7:00 - 7:30 Business We will discuss the status of our ongoing projects including the monthly hands on clinics, PLUG for Education, etc. 7:30 - 8:30 Presentation See above 9:00 - ... Beer The Lucky Labrador Brewing Company 915 SE Hawthorne David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 1440 NE 59th Portland, Oregon 97213 (360) 260-2066 dmandel at pdxLinux.org P.S. The Mid Willamette Valley Linux Users Group meets at 2 PM on first Saturday of the month at Peak Inc in Corvallis. See http://lug.peak.org/ for details. P.S. The Eugene Linux Users Group meets regularly. See http://www.euglug.org for details. ====================================================================== David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com Other Affliations David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org Netule http://Netule.org ====================================================================== From pem at nellump.net Tue Apr 30 07:17:48 2002 From: pem at nellump.net (Paul Mullen) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:17:48 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Ruby? Message-ID: <20020430001748.A23146@nellump.net> I've been working my way through an introductory Ruby text lately, and it seems like a pretty neat language (though my range of experience may be limited). I'm curious how widespread it's usage is, though, especially among the Portland locals. Anyone hear using it regularly? Is it encounted much in the real world (workplace, that is)? Paul From seniorr at aracnet.com Tue Apr 30 07:30:35 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: 30 Apr 2002 00:30:35 -0700 Subject: My Abit VP6 (was Re: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household) In-Reply-To: <86k7qvufcx.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> References: <864ri7jkru.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <86k7qvufcx.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <86r8kxve1w.fsf_-_@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Russell" == Russell Senior writes: Russell> Has anyone else had a borked VP6? Worked great for 10 Russell> months, but the last few weeks have been so chock full of Russell> freezes you could start to believe GWB had this whole global Russell> warming thing right after all. FWIW, I returned the VP6 to PC Heidens on Friday under their 1 year warranty. Today I learned that it was being returned to Abit, and I could expect a repaired/replaced MB in a couple weeks or so. Wonderful. I've got another MB (single CPU) screwed in for the interim. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From CurtisE at CurtisE.net Tue Apr 30 08:59:13 2002 From: CurtisE at CurtisE.net (CurtisE) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 01:59:13 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] pppd fails In-Reply-To: <20020429213206.H1484@defiant> Message-ID: Oh, that's an easy fix. Don't move to an area that doesn't have DSL! What are you thinking? Sorry, I couldn't resist. On a serious note: It's really REALLY painful to go from DSL to dial-up. I've done it and hated it. I finally ended up breaking down and getting cable. As much as I hate the inability to host my own servers (#$%@ AT&T), at least I can surf without falling asleep. I won't even consider a house in the future unless it has some sort of broadband access. Consider yourself forewarned. CurtisE -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Bruce Kingsland Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:32 PM To: Portland Linux Users Group Subject: [PLUG] pppd fails Well, I read this neat article in Linux Journal (Feb/Mar) on configuring pppd. And now that I'm moving to a place that _doesn't_ have dsl, I need to make that work. So, I downloaded WvDial (since they pointed out at the end of the article how neat that was), and it won't compile. There's some sort of missing reference to crypt that causes the makefile to exit. So, I went thru the elements of the article. I got the modem configured on the right port, and can make it dial out with minicom, and with pppd chat_connect, but when I try to make it login with my name, it fails. I use ssh normally to log in, and I know the (telnet) password is correct because fetchmail uses it to get the mail, but I can't get the pap_secrets to successfully work. Here is the output of the debug script (pppd /dev/modem 38400 modem lock connect /etc/ppp/chat-connect user brucek defaultroute debug): Apr 29 20:50:07 defiant pppd[14887]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 Apr 29 20:50:38 defiant pppd[14887]: Serial connection established. Apr 29 20:50:38 defiant pppd[14887]: Using interface ppp0 Apr 29 20:50:38 defiant pppd[14887]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem Apr 29 20:50:43 defiant pppd[14887]: Remote message: Request Denied Apr 29 20:50:43 defiant pppd[14887]: PAP authentication failed Apr 29 20:50:43 defiant pppd[14887]: Connection terminated. Apr 29 20:50:44 defiant pppd[14887]: Exit. Apr 29 20:51:17 defiant pppd[14916]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 Apr 29 20:52:00 defiant pppd[14916]: Serial connection established. Apr 29 20:52:00 defiant pppd[14916]: using channel 4 Apr 29 20:52:00 defiant pppd[14916]: Using interface ppp0 Apr 29 20:52:00 defiant pppd[14916]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem Apr 29 20:52:01 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 ] Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 ] Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x5c ] Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x5c ] Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 ] Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x5d ] Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x5d ] Apr 29 20:52:04 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [PAP AuthReq id=0x1 user="brucek" password=] Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: rcvd [PAP AuthNak id=0x1 "Request Denied"] Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: Remote message: Request Denied Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: PAP authentication failed Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "Failed to authenticate ourselves to peer"] Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: rcvd [LCP TermAck id=0x2] Apr 29 20:52:05 defiant pppd[14916]: Connection terminated. Apr 29 20:52:06 defiant pppd[14916]: Exit. Anybody got any ideas how to read where my problem is? -bk -- Bruce Kingsland Kingsland Konsulting brucek at kingkon.com 503-936-1655 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D/2B8DA3D7 g/2884A18E 49C3 BBDE 6BC5 3F39 0C03 3BE4 FBC5 2C8D 2B8D A3D7 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 30 14:13:22 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Solution to Challenging the Man in the Middle (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Solution to Challenging the Man in the Middle By Brian Hatch Two weeks ago, I challenged you to figure out how a machine was compromised. Let me quickly recap the situation: On a machine maintained by a very security-conscious administrator, several users had reported that their accounts had been cracked. All the software was up to date, and only ssh access was allowed. When I tried to log in from home, my ssh client told me that the server's host key had changed. However, when I checked the actual ssh host key files, they were no different than before. Even when I restarted sshd -- and I could see that it was using the correct key file -- it was presenting the wrong key on the network. However, when I started a new sshd server on a different port, it worked correctly. There was no reason that the same sshd binary should have been acting differently just because it was running on a different port, and there was nothing on the system to explain why it wasn't using the correct key on the default ssh port. I suspected that someone was using an SSH man-in-the-middle package on the local network. Both sshmitm (part of Dug Song's dsniff[1] package) and ettercap[2] can fill this role. (As it turns out, the culprit was a modified version of sshmitm, so I'll just call it by name henceforward.) The machine running sshmitm needs to be situated between the ssh client and ssh server. When the client machine connects to the server, the machine running sshmitm intercepts the packets. The sshmitm process pretends to be the actual server. It will follow the SSH protocol specification, providing the host key, agreeing on cryptographic algorithms and keys, and eventually asking the client for the password. The sshmitm program establishes a connection to the actual server, as if it's a normal ssh client. It takes the data that it receives from the real client, which it has available in cleartext, and re-encrypts it to the real ssh server as appropriate. Because, in the end, the client sends packets to the server and everything looks normal, there's no way to realize anything is fishy once the connection is established. However each and every byte in those packets is readable (and modifiable) by the sshmitm program. The sshmitm program was written as a proof of concept, and as such does not have much functionality for an attacker. It merely snags the password supplied by the user. Ettercap can snag the whole session as well, making it more powerful. Both dsniff and ettercap include other crypto-breaking code for SSL sessions too, in case you're not worried enough. The pivotal security step in establishing a secure SSH session is to verify the ssh host key of the server. When the client connects to a machine for the first time, it presents the ssh host key of the server, as seen here: The authenticity of host 'blah.example.com' can't be established. RSA1 key fingerprint is 39:57:1c:9a:c1:8c:cb:4d:f7:25:c8:89:0f:31:fc:6f. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? The first time you connect, you have no way to know if that's the correct fingerprint or not[3]. Most folks blindly say "yes." At this point, you've entered the host key into your ~/.ssh/known_hosts so you can compare with later sessions. The sshmitm (or ettercap) program does not have a copy of the actual ssh host key for the server it's impersonating; thus, it cannot present the correct key to the client. Instead it must generate its own fake host key. Since a fake host key is in use, the user connecting will see the following (from the previous article) indicating that something is wrong: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ sshmitm and ettercap work on the principle that most folks will ignore this warning, which is a pretty safe assumption. The attacker had been running sshmitm for a while, capturing folks' passwords, which is why several people had found their accounts being cracked. The fact that there was no interference by sshmitm when I ran a new ssh process on port 4321 was because sshmitm was only listening for ssh connections on port 22, and was leaving port 4321 alone entirely. Now the trouble was figuring out who the culprit was. In order for sshmitm and ettercap to function, they must be sitting on a machine between the client and server. If the machine in question were somewhere out on the Internet in general, then there would be more than just our machine at stake. However, the easiest position where the rogue machine could do its work would be on the local LAN. But if it's on the same LAN, it's not in between the client and server, you say? True, but that can be remedied easily enough. All the rogue machine needs to do is poison your ARP cache so that the cache thinks that the attacker is the router or the destination machine. Then all packets to that machine will go through the rogue machine, and it will be -- in the network's eyes -- between the client and the server, even though technically it's just sitting next to them. In this case, the rogue machine was in a different lab but still on the same subnet. Through simple ARP poisoning it convinced the router that it was my friend's server, and convinced the server that it was the router. It then had an enjoyable time functioning as both a password sniffer and a router for unsupported protocols. Since I suspected this was the problem, it was pretty easy to figure out where the rogue machine was. I simply pinged all the local machines ('nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24' will do this quickly) and then checked the ARP table ('arp -an') for duplicates. I actually used the following very lame command to show me duplicate entries: $ arp -an| awk '{print $4}'| sort | uniq -c | grep -v ' 1 ' 5 F8:F0:11:15:34:51 88 Then I simply looked at the IP addresses used by that ethernet address in 'arp -an' output, ignoring those that were blatantly poisoned (such as the router) and looked up the remaining address in DNS to see which machine it was. It was the desktop machine for one of the students in the lab. I sent all the info I had to the school's IT security folks; later that day they visited the student, and not to offer him a free pizza. Of course, our cleanup had only just begun. One way to avoid having your password sniffed by tools such as ettercap and sshmitm is to use SSH identities for authentication. This form of authentication uses public/private-key crypto just as the verification of the host key does. Since the password for your key is only stored in your brain, and the private key is never sent across the network, there's no way for a man-in-the-middle attacker to get a hold of your actual private key. In fact, for this reason, MITM software may disable identity authentication, hoping to get you to type your password instead. The moral of this story is, of course, that you shouldn't blindly ignore warning dialogs, especially those that concern something important like the security of your encrypted connections. Congratulations to Reiner Schroeppel, who guessed the problem mere minutes after I got my copy of the challenge in my mailbox. NOTES [1] http://www.monkey.org/~dugsong/dsniff [2] http://ettercap.sourceforge.net [3] Smart administrators will provide this key somewhere for users to verify, such as on a Web page, in email, etc. An attacker may be able to modify these sources too, but it's an additional measure of security. For more info on what you can do to verify the host key afterwards, see HLE. About the author(s) ------------------- Brian Hatch is Chief Hacker at Onsight, Inc, author of Hacking Linux Exposed and Building Linux VPNs, and the maintainer of http://www.stunnel.org, home to Stunnel, the Universal SSL Wrapper. He likes SSL, really. He just doesn't like seeing it abused, mistreated, or expected to cure cancer. Brian can be reached at brian at hackinglinuxexposed.com. ________________________________________________________________________________ ADDITIONAL RESOURCES Address Resolution Protocol Spoofing and Man-in-the-Middle Attacks http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a57269a76073993a6 Researchers Claim to Crack Wi-Fi Security http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a57269a76073993a0 How can TLS increase e- mail security? http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a57269a76073993a2 On the lookout for dsniff: Part 1 http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a57269a76073993a1 Penetration Testing with dsniff http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a57269a76073993a7 From smathews at pcez.com Tue Apr 30 14:29:26 2002 From: smathews at pcez.com (Stuart Mathews) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:29:26 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] refurbished Thinkpad 600 References: Message-ID: <3CCEAA46.4E45EC78@pcez.com> Brand news ones cost a couple of hundred bucks more, but with a much better processor and bigger HD. > > A few days ago there was a thread about refurbished Thinkpads. > > ... Where were these coming from? > > Lycoris sells these preinstalled with lycoris linux and windows 98 for > $799. > > -- Specs: http://lycoris.com/ > # BM ThinkPad 600E Laptop > # 366 MHz Pentium II > # AGP Graphics > # DVD ROM Drive and 3.5 inch Disk Drive > # 10 GB Hard Drive > # 128 RAM > # Dual boot Desktop/LX Amethyst and Windows 98 > # 13.3 inch TFT Active Matrix Screen > # 56k voice/fax modem > # Refurbished with 30 day Limited Warranty > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 john at meissen.org wrote: > > > A few days ago there was a thread about refurbished Thinkpads. Bill > > Barry mentioned specific pricing and configuration. I'd be interested > > in getting one myself. Where were these coming from? > > > > john- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From lemming at attbi.com Tue Apr 30 14:44:20 2002 From: lemming at attbi.com (lemming at attbi.com) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:44:20 +0000 Subject: My Abit VP6 (was Re: [PLUG] Need hints buying a digital camera for a Linux household) Message-ID: <20020430144421.PWTG2627.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> As a coincidence, I'm going through a bunch of A-Bit BE6- II machines to head off some problems we've had with them. (Random power downs and freezes) Turning off Power Management, ATA-100 support, and shifting JP1 & JP2 to position 1. And PCI slots 3 & 5 are off limits as well. Don't know how accurate this info is or if it will help in your case. > >>>>> "Russell" == Russell Senior writes: > > Russell> Has anyone else had a borked VP6? Worked great for 10 > Russell> months, but the last few weeks have been so chock full of > Russell> freezes you could start to believe GWB had this whole global > Russell> warming thing right after all. > > FWIW, I returned the VP6 to PC Heidens on Friday under their 1 year > warranty. Today I learned that it was being returned to Abit, and I > could expect a repaired/replaced MB in a couple weeks or so. > Wonderful. I've got another MB (single CPU) screwed in for the > interim. > > -- > Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. > seniorr at aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible > profanity, which, translated meant, `This is > extremely unusual.' '' > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From bspears at easystreet.com Tue Apr 30 16:28:32 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:28:32 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] CGI Programming Message-ID: <200204301622.g3UGMV006607@smtp.easystreet.com> When I tried to su to apache, it didn't work. So, I took a look at /etc/passwd and found that the shell for apache was /bin/false. Is it a horrible security risk to change this to a real shell? From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Apr 30 16:26:22 2002 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: 30 Apr 2002 09:26:22 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting References: Message-ID: <864rht5f0x.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Gah. >>>>> "David" == David Mandel writes: David> Customizing X Windows >From "man X": The X Consortium requests that the following names be used when referring to this software: X X Window System X Version 11 X Window System, Version 11 X11 Not "X Windows". Never. Maybe "X windows", meaning "a bunch of windows that are on your desktop, being managed by X". But not "X Windows". It doesn't exist. I use it as a clue-filter on my resume scanner. You failed. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 30 16:34:15 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <864rht5f0x.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: On 30 Apr 2002, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > Not "X Windows". Never. It's also a way of referring to those users who've escaped the Microsoft prison. They are eX-Windows users. Rich From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Tue Apr 30 16:47:05 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:47:05 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA846@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> > Not "X Windows". Never. I keep seeing all over people complaining about the use of this term, however, it's use continues to increase. I think it's a "new school/old school" thing. I guess I'm new school and don't understand why people get upset about this term. X Window System is too many syllables and X is too vague. What is the objection to "X Windows"? From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 30 16:56:08 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA846@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Craighead, Scot D wrote: > I keep seeing all over people complaining about the use of this term, > however, it's use continues to increase. I think it's a "new school/old > school" thing. I guess I'm new school and don't understand why people get > upset about this term. X Window System is too many syllables and X is too > vague. What is the objection to "X Windows"? There is defined usage and common usage. The increased use of the latter frequently leads to communications breakdowns. An analogy to the 'X Windows' vs. 'X Window System' (singular) is 'linux' and 'GNU/linux'. In both cases the copyrighted, official name is the longer one. In colloquial use it may not matter, but there is a difference in more formal settings. The other aspect is a social one and not on topic for this list. That's the grammatical sloppiness we see everywhere with the misuse of apostrophes and the combining of two words (e.g., "a lot") into a single word ("alot"). These both inhibit communications and provide insight into the writer. Again, this is neither a troll nor flame bait, but a comment that we need to work on improving our commuications, not obfuscating what we mean. Eschew obfuscation! Excelsior! Rich From JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us Tue Apr 30 17:03:52 2002 From: JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us (Miller, Jeremy) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:03:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting Message-ID: <51AE6EA505FCD111AB5600805F653ACB010AA0E1@EXCHANGE> Speaking of your clue-filter, I just thought of something. A vast majority of resumes in some organizations are screened (or pre-screened) by human resources types who don't have a clue. They tend to pick up on buzzwords, common program names, and if they've ever heard of X at all, they've probably heard it as the common butchering we all recognize as "X Windows". ("Uh... hey, Bob! You ever heard of X/X11? Me neither. Sounds like porn or something. Forget this dude." "X Window System... that means everything from 3.1 to XP, right?") So to get past the clueless HR types, you almost have to dumb down the resume to things they've heard of (not to mention braindump certifications, etc) to keep them from tossing you in the "don't bother calling" file. But once you get past them, you might be screened by someone who DOES have a clue. Who might read the "dumbed down for HR" bits and think you're a ditz. That's an ugly two steps. 1) get it past someone with no clue 2) make it through a clue filter. Aack! That could be tricky. I guess that is a good argument for knowing a thing or two about the place you are sending it to, and tailoring your resume for for the most likely type of person to do the screening. (And just cross your fingers in the case of the two-step gauntlet... everyone else has to make it through somehow too.) Anyway... of course X Windows is incorrect. And perhaps warrants pointing out. But do you really care THAT much? Or do you just have THAT MANY resumes to go through? :) Jeremy > -----Original Message----- > From: merlyn at stonehenge.com [mailto:merlyn at stonehenge.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 9:26 AM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting > > > Gah. > > >>>>> "David" == David Mandel writes: > > David> Customizing X Windows > > From "man X": > > The X Consortium requests that the following names be used > when referring to this software: > > X > X Window System > X Version 11 > X Window System, Version 11 > X11 > > Not "X Windows". Never. > > Maybe "X windows", meaning "a bunch of windows that are on > your desktop, being managed by X". > > But not "X Windows". It doesn't exist. I use it as a clue-filter on > my resume scanner. You failed. > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - > +1 503 777 0095 > > Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and > open-enrollment Perl training! > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From longman at sharplabs.com Tue Apr 30 17:12:04 2002 From: longman at sharplabs.com (Longman, Bill) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:12:04 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting Message-ID: > > I keep seeing all over people complaining about the use of > this term, > > however, it's use continues to increase. I think it's a > "new school/old > > school" thing. I guess I'm new school and don't understand > why people get > > upset about this term. X Window System is too many > syllables and X is too > > vague. What is the objection to "X Windows"? > > There is defined usage and common usage. The increased use > of the latter > frequently leads to communications breakdowns. An analogy to > the 'X Windows' > vs. 'X Window System' (singular) is 'linux' and 'GNU/linux'. > In both cases > the copyrighted, official name is the longer one. In > colloquial use it may > not matter, but there is a difference in more formal settings. A line from the front lines: in 10 years, I've heard it referred to as almost exclusively, pun intended, as "X". From a Data General workstation guy, a NMR spectroscopist on a Sun, to developers on Linux and Suns. Some might use "X Windows" when talking to lay people but the vast majority just say "X". -- WEL From deanm at sharplabs.com Tue Apr 30 17:17:15 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <864rht5f0x.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> (merlyn@stonehenge.com) References: <864rht5f0x.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <20020430171715.3491510E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> :: Gah. :: :: >>>>> "David" == David Mandel writes: :: :: David> Customizing X Windows :: :: >From "man X": :: :: The X Consortium requests that the following names be used :: when referring to this software: :: :: X :: X Window System :: X Version 11 :: X Window System, Version 11 :: X11 :: :: Not "X Windows". Never. :: :: Maybe "X windows", meaning "a bunch of windows that are on :: your desktop, being managed by X". Sorry, Randal, but this sounds too much like something that Richard "GNU/Linux" Stallman would complain about to interest me. In the Grand Scheme of Things, "who cares"? I would much rather see people clean up their filthy language, write intelligible English instead of gibberish, quit using worn-out, copy-cat, cliches like (the idiotic) "my bad" and "cool" (or "kewl"), &c. than worry about an upper case "w" in a phrase whose meaning is clear to all, and in which the "W" will go un-noticed by 99.9% of readers. (As much as I dislike and despise Microsoft, I didn't notice the egregious faux pas.) Worrying about this is just too `PC' for my blood. And I'm sorry for this little diatribe. It was the first e-mail of the morning and it caught me off guard. I would normally not respond. Dean P.S. I suppose many of us _do_ consider the word "windows" with a capital "w" to be profanity. P.P.S. On a (very slightly) related note, I will share the following link to a long MS vs. Lnix thread with you all. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672921/posts It's against my better judgment to do so, but so was writing this post; I'm feeling rather saucy this morning. I will make no further comment on either the political persuasion of the site (which is sure to offend some) or the political correctness of the comments (which is sure to offend others). From deanm at sharplabs.com Tue Apr 30 17:23:03 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20020430171715.3491510E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> (deanm@sharplabs.com) References: <864rht5f0x.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <20020430171715.3491510E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Message-ID: <20020430172303.C641910E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> ::P.P.S. On a (very slightly) related note, I will share :: the following link to a long MS vs. Lnix thread ^^^^ == Linux, of course :: with you all. I read my post twice and missed this both times. Of course, _after it's posted_ I caught it. From rddunlap at osdl.org Tue Apr 30 17:27:03 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: | The other aspect is a social one and not on topic for this list. That's | the grammatical sloppiness we see everywhere with the misuse of apostrophes | and the combining of two words (e.g., "a lot") into a single word ("alot"). | These both inhibit communications and provide insight into the writer. | Again, this is neither a troll nor flame bait, but a comment that we need to | work on improving our commuications, not obfuscating what we mean. communications !! I particularly like sourceforge's persistent use of the verb 'administrate' instead of 'admininster'. It's not wrong per se, just odd. At least they are consistent. 8;) -- ~Randy From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Apr 30 17:46:33 2002 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: 30 Apr 2002 10:46:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting References: Message-ID: <86lmb53wqu.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Bill" == Longman, Bill writes: Bill> A line from the front lines: in 10 years, I've heard it referred to as Bill> almost exclusively, pun intended, as "X". From a Data General workstation Bill> guy, a NMR spectroscopist on a Sun, to developers on Linux and Suns. Some Bill> might use "X Windows" when talking to lay people but the vast majority just Bill> say "X". Right. Maybe my sensitivity is cranked up high because I mostly write for a living. But darn it. Microsoft Windows has NOTHING to do with X. So calling it "X Windows" is just wrong. X11 is *very* unambiguous, if you need to adorn the X with something else. I've given up on "emails", although that still just sounds wrong to me. (You don't get "mails"... so why should you get "emails"??!!) Please let me fight my one last pedantic point in peace! Oh wait, I still get pedantic about qualifiers, such as "only" or "just" or "all". For example, every Verizon ad ends with Not available in all areas which if you interpret literally means it's not offered *anywhere*, because it's simpler to parse it as "not available" "in all areas" rather than "not" "available in all areas". They should have used the much simpler: Limited availability Or Not available in some areas if they really wanted to make it clear. OK, rant rant rant. Maybe I need to be de-stressed today. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From sandbox at pacifier.com Tue Apr 30 18:08:52 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:08:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DNS weirdness Message-ID: <3CCEDDB4.6070205@pacifier.com> It all started when I tried to go to http://strongsignals.net Mozilla on RH7.2 says "Host not Found" ping times out host times out dig times out (I tell dig to use another ips's DNS server and it works) Fire up winme on the laptop and IE brings up the page fine. go back to Linux, this time $ host www.strongsignals.net returns an ip so maybe they really want the www, now mozilla will take me there. (IE still doesn't need the www.) Then I give mozilla the url again w/o the www--host not found, $host www.stronsignals.net times out! Perhaps funkiness with my gateway's caching dns, anyway Now the question, On RH7.1, host -w www.strongsignals.net waits forever, like the command is supposed to, but RH7.2 reports Trying "www.strongsignals.net." timer.c:662: INSIST(result == 0 || result == 2) failed. Aborted Cannot find this string in the kernel source, or in any other timer.c on my system. Is this part of a the C library? And does any have a url that requires www in front so I can test this mozilla/system interaction? (When I gave mozilla the bad url, it ruined things for the rest of the system.) -- Kyle Accardi From judah at opusnet.com Tue Apr 30 18:56:20 2002 From: judah at opusnet.com (Aaron Baer) Date: 30 Apr 2002 11:56:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] You can't break it up?? Message-ID: <1020192980.2375.10.camel@laptop> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25085.html The School district audit is mentioned along with a link to the Oregonian article that Steve Duin wrote. A- -- ---- Aaron Baer judah at opusnet.com http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/ From russj at dimstar.net Tue Apr 30 19:34:10 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:34:10 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Water bills, revisited. Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020430123245.00bc8db0@localhost> Are people still working on the water billing problem in Portland? There was an article today in The Oregonian stating that the Water Bureau is now looking at possibly replacing the new billing system. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/front_page/10201677814073113.xml Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net There are two kinds of people in the world, those that think there are two kinds of people in the world, and those that know better. From karlheg at drizzle.pdxlinux.org Tue Apr 30 19:35:15 2002 From: karlheg at drizzle.pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:35:15 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice.org on an X Terminal? Message-ID: I've got an LTSP server set up for experimentation, and the server has a site-wide install of OpenOffice.org on it. As a user physically logged into the server machine on an X console (startx -- :1) I can run the "setup" program that creates the per-user installation. But when I'm logged in via XDMCP, on the X Terminal, that does not work. "setup" just hangs and eventually, after a long timeout, exits with code 1. Any clues? From wam at agora.rdrop.com Tue Apr 30 19:44:35 2002 From: wam at agora.rdrop.com (William Morita) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Problem with a eMachine Message-ID: <200204301944.g3UJiZgU021815@agora.rdrop.com> I have an eMachines emonster 550. Of course I cannot truely shut the machine down. This causes a problem in that the network card does not reset properly and I have to disconnect external power to the box to get the reset I need. I have looked around in the BIOS settings for something that might help with no results. Turning off external power to the machine each time I reboot is a royal pain. Anybody got a solution for this problem ? -bill -- Bill Morita | Email: P.O. Box 365 | wam at agora.rdrop.com Hillsboro, OR 97123 | Phone: | (503) 693-9193 From jon at manymoons.net Tue Apr 30 19:41:55 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: 30 Apr 2002 12:41:55 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] CGI Programming In-Reply-To: <200204301622.g3UGMV006607@smtp.easystreet.com> References: <200204301622.g3UGMV006607@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1020195716.1508.55.camel@lana.manymoons.net> I guess my question is why you would want to? On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 09:28, Bill Spears wrote: > When I tried to su to apache, it didn't work. So, I took a look at > /etc/passwd and found that the shell for apache was /bin/false. Is it a > horrible security risk to change this to a real shell? > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From bhoran at hexdev.com Tue Apr 30 20:19:22 2002 From: bhoran at hexdev.com (Brian Horan) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:19:22 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] CGI Programming In-Reply-To: <200204301622.g3UGMV006607@smtp.easystreet.com> References: <200204301622.g3UGMV006607@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: user apache should not have a true shell. unless you want people (namely people you don't like) logging into your machine as apache. if you need to make changes that would (theoretically) be made by apache, use chmod, chown, chgrp, etc. On other *NIX systems, httpd runs normally as USER: nobody GROUP: nobody or www:www, etc. If you are incredibly paranoid, you may want to consider chroot()-ing the apache server also...It's kind of a pain in the arse, but you never know.... Why would you want to 'su' to apache? If you don't mind my asking... -Brian On Tuesday 30 April 2002 12:28 pm, you wrote: > When I tried to su to apache, it didn't work. So, I took a look at > /etc/passwd and found that the shell for apache was /bin/false. Is it a > horrible security risk to change this to a real shell? > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com From sstaples at techcadre.com Tue Apr 30 21:04:19 2002 From: sstaples at techcadre.com (Scott Staples) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:04:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting Message-ID: <380AF9BD60534248A48D53FF6B63EBA80A68A3@rogueii.CADREII> It's not all that odd.. "administer" means to apply, and "administrate" means to manage. There's a difference, and sourceforge's use is correct. -----Original Message----- From: Randy.Dunlap [mailto:rddunlap at osdl.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:27 AM To: 'plug at lists.pdxlinux.org' Subject: RE: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: | The other aspect is a social one and not on topic for this list. That's | the grammatical sloppiness we see everywhere with the misuse of apostrophes | and the combining of two words (e.g., "a lot") into a single word ("alot"). | These both inhibit communications and provide insight into the writer. | Again, this is neither a troll nor flame bait, but a comment that we need to | work on improving our commuications, not obfuscating what we mean. communications !! I particularly like sourceforge's persistent use of the verb 'administrate' instead of 'admininster'. It's not wrong per se, just odd. At least they are consistent. 8;) -- ~Randy _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From rddunlap at osdl.org Tue Apr 30 21:09:18 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <380AF9BD60534248A48D53FF6B63EBA80A68A3@rogueii.CADREII> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Scott Staples wrote: | It's not all that odd.. "administer" means to apply, and "administrate" | means to manage. There's a difference, and sourceforge's use is correct. Well, I did look them up before posting, and I didn't see such a difference, so I beg to disagree. But I'll tell you what, you can have the last post if you want it, and I won't waste the PLUG bandwidth any more on this subject. :) ~Randy | -----Original Message----- | From: Randy.Dunlap [mailto:rddunlap at osdl.org] | | I particularly like sourceforge's persistent use of the verb | 'administrate' instead of 'admininster'. | It's not wrong per se, just odd. At least they are consistent. 8;) From unixplug at yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 21:21:28 2002 From: unixplug at yahoo.com (Dragos Ciobanu) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] XFree86 I/O error Message-ID: <20020430212128.95734.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Can anybody help me figure this out. I installed RH7.2, and when I'm starting the X server with startx or xinit it gives me an error like this: XIO input/output fatal error. Do you think there is a hardware conflict with another device? How could I solve this problem? Thanks a lot! 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Well, I did look them up before posting, and I didn't see such a difference, so I beg to disagree. But I'll tell you what, you can have the last post if you want it, and I won't waste the PLUG bandwidth any more on this subject. :) ~Randy | -----Original Message----- | From: Randy.Dunlap [mailto:rddunlap at osdl.org] | | I particularly like sourceforge's persistent use of the verb | 'administrate' instead of 'admininster'. | It's not wrong per se, just odd. At least they are consistent. 8;) _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From craighead.scot at vectorscm.com Tue Apr 30 21:45:56 2002 From: craighead.scot at vectorscm.com (Craighead, Scot D) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:45:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] XFree86 I/O error Message-ID: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA85D@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Log in as root and run Xconfigurator. 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It it the same as having database server and firewall on the same box. May be you can point me to other more secure solutions? Is it possible to use ssl for database connections? I couldn't find a decent answer on this question. Thank you in advance for any advises or sources of information. Alex From deanm at sharplabs.com Tue Apr 30 21:57:07 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <380AF9BD60534248A48D53FF6B63EBA80A68A3@rogueii.CADREII> (message from Scott Staples on Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:04:19 -0700) References: <380AF9BD60534248A48D53FF6B63EBA80A68A3@rogueii.CADREII> Message-ID: <20020430215707.A91F010E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Scott Staples wrote: :: It's not all that odd.. "administer" means to apply, and "administrate" :: means to manage. There's a difference, and sourceforge's use is correct. :: :: < I particularly like sourceforge's persistent use of the verb :: < 'administrate' instead of 'admininster'. :: < It's not wrong per se, just odd. At least they are consistent. 8;) :: < :: < -- :: < ~Randy For your amusement, here are some entries from the 1934 Webster's Second International (which contains 234,936 words), whose root is "administ" administer administerd <==== (not a spelling mistake) administerial administrable administrant administrate <==== administration administrational administrative administratively administrator administratorship administratress administratrices <==== !!! (love it!) administratrix <==== !!! From unixplug at yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 22:05:21 2002 From: unixplug at yahoo.com (Dragos Ciobanu) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] XFree86 I/O error In-Reply-To: <51C603B9AB4696408D7273AA133734AC1EA85D@ljcms002.prod.vectorscm.com> Message-ID: <20020430220521.38624.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Well, that would be easy, but I've done that and still the same error. "Craighead, Scot D" wrote: Log in as root and run Xconfigurator. (That's about the extent of my knowledge here, but it will probably work.) --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rddunlap at osdl.org Tue Apr 30 22:10:24 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] XFree86 I/O error In-Reply-To: <20020430220521.38624.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Dragos Ciobanu wrote: | Well, that would be easy, but I've done that and still the same error. | "Craighead, Scot D" wrote: Log in as root and run Xconfigurator. (That's about the extent of my knowledge here, but it will probably work.) Try startx 2>x.err and post x.err so that we can see the X (error) log. -- ~Randy From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Tue Apr 30 22:28:05 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:28:05 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Methods of secure SQL Database data exchange over Internet? In-Reply-To: <200204302153.g3ULrl011510@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: VPN. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Alex Daniloff Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:54 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: [PLUG] Methods of secure SQL Database data exchange over Internet? Hello Linux folkz, I need to setup Web based MySQL database service over Internet. Remote clients should be able to connect to database port 3306 and perform secure data exchange (queries, reads and writes). Are there any methods to perform such data exchanges in a most secure manner? I was thinking about keeping port 3306 open for remote connections 'cause Mysql has a very good (per host, per user, per database, per table, per row based) security mechanisms. But in this case the use of firewall on a separate box is purposeless. It it the same as having database server and firewall on the same box. May be you can point me to other more secure solutions? Is it possible to use ssl for database connections? I couldn't find a decent answer on this question. Thank you in advance for any advises or sources of information. Alex _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From alex at daniloff.com Tue Apr 30 22:50:02 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:50:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Methods of secure SQL Database data exchange over =?iso-8859-1?q?Internet=3F?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200204302250.g3UMo2E11658@gate.daniloff.com> Hello, Thank you for your reply. VPN is not suitable in this case 'cause some remote hosts temporarily connected to Internet over dialup connections. Thus their temporary IPs are assigned dynamically by their ISPs. Alex ------------------- > VPN. > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Alex Daniloff > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:54 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: [PLUG] Methods of secure SQL Database data exchange over > Internet? > > > Hello Linux folkz, > I need to setup Web based MySQL database service over Internet. > Remote clients should be able to connect to database port 3306 and > perform secure data exchange (queries, reads and writes). > Are there any methods to perform such data exchanges in a most secure > manner? > I was thinking about keeping port 3306 open for remote connections > 'cause Mysql has a very good (per host, per user, per database, per > table, per row based) security mechanisms. > But in this case the use of firewall on a separate box is purposeless. > It it the same as having database server and firewall on the same box. > May be you can point me to other more secure solutions? > Is it possible to use ssl for database connections? I couldn't find a > decent answer on this question. > Thank you in advance for any advises or sources of information. > Alex > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us Tue Apr 30 17:10:41 2002 From: JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us (Miller, Jeremy) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:10:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting Message-ID: <51AE6EA505FCD111AB5600805F653ACB010AA0E2@EXCHANGE> I have a funny feeling there are many that would argue against that particular analogy... considering that "Linux" is a term trademarked by Linus. (And I don't believe anyone holds a copyright on GNU/Linux, either.) But I won't. :) (I do agree with your overall point. But on the other hand, the case complained about WAS a sort of "official title" of a course. Which might warrant official terminology, as opposed to colloquial usage.) Jeremy > -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Shepard [mailto:rshepard at appl-ecosys.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 9:56 AM > To: 'plug at lists.pdxlinux.org' > Subject: RE: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting > > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Craighead, Scot D wrote: > > > I keep seeing all over people complaining about the use of > this term, > > however, it's use continues to increase. I think it's a > "new school/old > > school" thing. I guess I'm new school and don't understand > why people get > > upset about this term. X Window System is too many > syllables and X is too > > vague. What is the objection to "X Windows"? > > There is defined usage and common usage. The increased use > of the latter > frequently leads to communications breakdowns. An analogy to > the 'X Windows' > vs. 'X Window System' (singular) is 'linux' and 'GNU/linux'. > In both cases > the copyrighted, official name is the longer one. In > colloquial use it may > not matter, but there is a difference in more formal settings. > > The other aspect is a social one and not on topic for this > list. That's > the grammatical sloppiness we see everywhere with the misuse > of apostrophes > and the combining of two words (e.g., "a lot") into a single > word ("alot"). > These both inhibit communications and provide insight into the writer. > Again, this is neither a troll nor flame bait, but a comment > that we need to > work on improving our commuications, not obfuscating what we mean. > > Eschew obfuscation! Excelsior! > > Rich > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From bhoran at hexdev.com Tue Apr 30 23:22:54 2002 From: bhoran at hexdev.com (Brian Horan) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:22:54 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] Methods of secure SQL Database data exchange over Internet? In-Reply-To: <200204302250.g3UMo2E11658@gate.daniloff.com> References: <200204302250.g3UMo2E11658@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: It sounds like you need something like a wrapper for the MySQL server... Something that will block connections that are erroneous and will block after N failed attempts for X hours....Yet still allow MySQL clients to access the server... what is the client set up? just using generic MySQL clients or could this be done via web pages, etc.? >From past experience, the mysql server listening on an accessable port can be a problem....This is also dependant upon the sensitivity of the data you are storing there. Perhaps a program/script that listens on a socket and queries/updates the machine as a local user with the program/script handling authentication? as well as MySQL handling username/password authentication? This depends heavily on the client software situation.... On Tuesday 30 April 2002 06:50 pm, you wrote: > Hello, > Thank you for your reply. > VPN is not suitable in this case 'cause some remote hosts temporarily > connected to Internet over dialup connections. > Thus their temporary IPs are assigned dynamically by their ISPs. > > Alex > > ------------------- > > > VPN. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Alex Daniloff > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:54 PM > > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > > Subject: [PLUG] Methods of secure SQL Database data exchange over > > Internet? > > > > > > Hello Linux folkz, > > I need to setup Web based MySQL database service over Internet. > > Remote clients should be able to connect to database port 3306 and > > perform secure data exchange (queries, reads and writes). > > Are there any methods to perform such data exchanges in a most > > secure > > > manner? > > I was thinking about keeping port 3306 open for remote connections > > 'cause Mysql has a very good (per host, per user, per database, per > > table, per row based) security mechanisms. > > But in this case the use of firewall on a separate box is > > purposeless. > > > It it the same as having database server and firewall on the same > > box. > > > May be you can point me to other more secure solutions? > > Is it possible to use ssl for database connections? I couldn't find > > a > > > decent answer on this question. > > Thank you in advance for any advises or sources of information. > > Alex > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Brian Horan bhoran at hexdev.com From unixplug at yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 23:26:30 2002 From: unixplug at yahoo.com (Dragos Ciobanu) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] XFree86 I/O error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020430232630.43410.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, I attached the x.err file. "Randy.Dunlap" wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Dragos Ciobanu wrote: | Well, that would be easy, but I've done that and still the same error. | "Craighead, Scot D" wrote: Log in as root and run Xconfigurator. (That's about the extent of my knowledge here, but it will probably work.) Try startx 2>x.err and post x.err so that we can see the X (error) log. -- ~Randy _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: x.err URL: From alex at daniloff.com Tue Apr 30 23:23:49 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:23:49 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Methods of secure SQL Database data exchange over =?iso-8859-1?q?Internet=3F?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200204302323.g3UNNnr11787@gate.daniloff.com> Hello, > > what is the client set up? just using generic MySQL clients or could this be > done via web pages, etc.? > The client setup is perl or expect scripts that connect to web DB, identify client and perform nessesary data exchange. Nothing is complicated. > >From past experience, the mysql server listening on an accessible port can be > a problem....This is also dependant upon the sensitivity of the data you are > storing there. > Should I write MySQL wrapper by myself or existing solutions are available? Alex > > > On Tuesday 30 April 2002 06:50 pm, you wrote: > > Hello, > > Thank you for your reply. > > VPN is not suitable in this case 'cause some remote hosts temporarily > > connected to Internet over dialup connections. > > Thus their temporary IPs are assigned dynamically by their ISPs. > > > > Alex > > > > ------------------- > > > > > VPN. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Alex Daniloff > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:54 PM > > > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > Subject: [PLUG] Methods of secure SQL Database data exchange over > > > Internet? > > > > > > > > > Hello Linux folkz, > > > I need to setup Web based MySQL database service over Internet. > > > Remote clients should be able to connect to database port 3306 and > > > perform secure data exchange (queries, reads and writes). > > > Are there any methods to perform such data exchanges in a most > > > > secure > > > > > manner? > > > I was thinking about keeping port 3306 open for remote connections > > > 'cause Mysql has a very good (per host, per user, per database, per > > > table, per row based) security mechanisms. > > > But in this case the use of firewall on a separate box is > > > > purposeless. > > > > > It it the same as having database server and firewall on the same > > > > box. > > > > > May be you can point me to other more secure solutions? > > > Is it possible to use ssl for database connections? I couldn't find > > > > a > > > > > decent answer on this question. > > > Thank you in advance for any advises or sources of information. > > > Alex > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- > Brian Horan > bhoran at hexdev.com > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Tue Apr 30 23:28:44 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:28:44 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Methods of secure SQL Database data exchange over Internet? In-Reply-To: <200204302250.g3UMo2E11658@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: There are several dial-up VPN clients that are designed to work with dynamic IPs. It depends on what VPN solution you use. -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Alex Daniloff Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 3:50 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: RE: [PLUG] Methods of secure SQL Database data exchange over Internet? Hello, Thank you for your reply. VPN is not suitable in this case 'cause some remote hosts temporarily connected to Internet over dialup connections. Thus their temporary IPs are assigned dynamically by their ISPs. Alex ------------------- > VPN. > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Alex Daniloff > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:54 PM > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: [PLUG] Methods of secure SQL Database data exchange over > Internet? > > > Hello Linux folkz, > I need to setup Web based MySQL database service over Internet. > Remote clients should be able to connect to database port 3306 and > perform secure data exchange (queries, reads and writes). > Are there any methods to perform such data exchanges in a most secure > manner? > I was thinking about keeping port 3306 open for remote connections > 'cause Mysql has a very good (per host, per user, per database, per > table, per row based) security mechanisms. > But in this case the use of firewall on a separate box is purposeless. > It it the same as having database server and firewall on the same box. > May be you can point me to other more secure solutions? > Is it possible to use ssl for database connections? I couldn't find a > decent answer on this question. > Thank you in advance for any advises or sources of information. > Alex > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From sendai at thedustyshelf.com Tue Apr 30 23:35:51 2002 From: sendai at thedustyshelf.com (sendai) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:35:51 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Methods of secure SQL Database data exchange over Internet? In-Reply-To: <200204302323.g3UNNnr11787@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: For some good general internet connected security tips look here: http://www.mysql.com/doc/G/e/General_security.html -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Alex Daniloff Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:24 PM To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] Methods of secure SQL Database data exchange over Internet? Hello, > > what is the client set up? just using generic MySQL clients or could this be > done via web pages, etc.? > The client setup is perl or expect scripts that connect to web DB, identify client and perform nessesary data exchange. Nothing is complicated. > >From past experience, the mysql server listening on an accessible port can be > a problem....This is also dependant upon the sensitivity of the data you are > storing there. > Should I write MySQL wrapper by myself or existing solutions are available? Alex > > > On Tuesday 30 April 2002 06:50 pm, you wrote: > > Hello, > > Thank you for your reply. > > VPN is not suitable in this case 'cause some remote hosts temporarily > > connected to Internet over dialup connections. > > Thus their temporary IPs are assigned dynamically by their ISPs. > > > > Alex > > > > ------------------- > > > > > VPN. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Alex Daniloff > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:54 PM > > > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > Subject: [PLUG] Methods of secure SQL Database data exchange over > > > Internet? > > > > > > > > > Hello Linux folkz, > > > I need to setup Web based MySQL database service over Internet. > > > Remote clients should be able to connect to database port 3306 and > > > perform secure data exchange (queries, reads and writes). > > > Are there any methods to perform such data exchanges in a most > > > > secure > > > > > manner? > > > I was thinking about keeping port 3306 open for remote connections > > > 'cause Mysql has a very good (per host, per user, per database, per > > > table, per row based) security mechanisms. > > > But in this case the use of firewall on a separate box is > > > > purposeless. > > > > > It it the same as having database server and firewall on the same > > > > box. > > > > > May be you can point me to other more secure solutions? > > > Is it possible to use ssl for database connections? I couldn't find > > > > a > > > > > decent answer on this question. > > > Thank you in advance for any advises or sources of information. > > > Alex > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- > Brian Horan > bhoran at hexdev.com > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From wcooley at nakedape.cc Tue Apr 30 23:37:11 2002 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:37:11 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Methods of secure SQL Database data exchange over Internet? In-Reply-To: <200204302323.g3UNNnr11787@gate.daniloff.com>; from alex@daniloff.com on Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 04:23:49PM -0700 References: <200204302323.g3UNNnr11787@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: <20020430163711.I30462@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Also Sprach Alex Daniloff on Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 04:23:49PM PDT > Hello, > > > > > what is the client set up? just using generic MySQL clients or could > this be > > done via web pages, etc.? > > > > The client setup is perl or expect scripts that connect to web DB, > identify client and perform nessesary data exchange. > Nothing is complicated. > > > > >From past experience, the mysql server listening on an accessible > port can be > > a problem....This is also dependant upon the sensitivity of the data > you are > > storing there. > > > > Should I write MySQL wrapper by myself or existing solutions are > available? MySQL communicates over TCP, so it should be a problem at all to wrap the connection with stunnel. I just noticed last night that Postgres 7.1 has SSL support; maybe you should check to see if MySQL does. Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley at nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * Linux and Network Consulting * irc.linux.com #orlug,#lnxs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From codeyeti at yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 23:40:39 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:40:39 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] XFree86 I/O error References: <20020430232630.43410.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CCF2B75.FC40AA0C@yahoo.com> Um... do you have an ATI Radeon card? What does catpci say? And, since you're using the X Window System version 4.x, have you tried "XFree86 --configure"? It makes a new config file in /root/ that you can use/change/adapt. That's what I use anymore. At least it gives you something to start with. --Mike Dragos Ciobanu wrote: > Ok, I attached the x.err file. "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas *Fscking* Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From rddunlap at osdl.org Tue Apr 30 23:41:44 2002 From: rddunlap at osdl.org (Randy.Dunlap) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] XFree86 I/O error In-Reply-To: <20020430232630.43410.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: OK, I'm looking at it... What kind of video card do you have? or think you have? Please send output from 'lspci -vv'. ~Randy On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Dragos Ciobanu wrote: | Ok, I attached the x.err file. | "Randy.Dunlap" wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Dragos Ciobanu wrote: | | | Well, that would be easy, but I've done that and still the same error. | | "Craighead, Scot D" wrote: Log in as root and run Xconfigurator. (That's about the extent of my knowledge here, but it will probably work.) | | Try | startx 2>x.err | | and post x.err so that we can see the X (error) log. From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 30 23:42:54 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Testing Message-ID: Trying to get mail out after installing postfix. No reply necessary. Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 30 23:49:26 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Postfix questions Message-ID: Whew! After working all afternoon, I learned (by trial-and-error) how to configure relayhost in /etc/postfix/main.cf. Neither the FAQ nor the HOWTO had any detailed information. Anyway, not knowing that I wasn't sending mail past the firewall, I have a bunch stuck in /etc/postfix/deferred/. Does anyone know how I get postfix to send those? Thanks, Rich From deanm at sharplabs.com Tue Apr 30 23:53:07 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] 10-bit LCD panels Message-ID: <20020430235307.C391F10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Some time ago we had a discussion of 10-bit LC Display panels. Here is some news (and a great opportunity to toot the Labs' horn :-) apropos to that subject. A (very, very small) part of that work was done using Linux. Dean S. Messing Information Systems Technologies Dept. Sharp Laboratories of America E-Mail: deanm at sharplabs.com Sharp Introduces the First 10-Bit Gamma Corrected LCD Monitor; Patented LCD Panel With Supporting Gamma Correction Improves LCD Color Imagery 64X April 30, 2002 12:00am Source: Business Wire HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE) via NewsEdge Corporation -- Sharp Systems of America, a division of Sharp Electronics Corporation, has announced a family of new LCD desktop monitors including the flagship LL-T1820, which incorporates the first LCD panel in a commercial product capable of displaying over 1 Billion colors. The LCD panel, developed by Sharp Laboratories of America in Camas, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Washington, sets a new standard in color imaging by displaying 10 bits of gray scale per subpixel for a total of 2(30) colors, which is sixty four times the colors displayable by a conventional LCD panel. (a) "The ability to reproduce a much finer color gradation sweeps away one of the few remaining areas in which a CRT has shown superiority over an LCD in professional applications such a pre-press and medical imaging," explained Greg Nakagawa, senior vice president and general manager of Sharp Systems of America. "This innovation raises the bar for LCD displays and demonstrates Sharp's leadership in LCD technology." LL-T1820 The Sharp LL-T1820 is the ultimate 18-inch LCD monitor. It features the Sharp ASV technology LCD panel that provides a superior 25 ms response and super-wide display angles of 170 degrees both horizontally and vertically. A unique 10-bit per subpixel gamma correction table maintains a linear gray scale while delivering the maximum image data in very dark and very light areas of the image. The LL-T1820 employs Sharp's Ultra High Aperture (UHA) technology for reduced power consumption and improved brightness (220 nits), as well as AGLR, a multi-layer surface treatment that reduces glare and reflection to less than one-third that of a conventional LCD. With a slim bezel width of only 17 mm, the LL-T1820 is ideal for multi-monitor applications while its dual DVI inputs permit the most flexible configuration in new and existing installations. Furthermore, its ability to pivot to the portrait mode reduces or eliminates scrolling for page-oriented applications thus improving productivity. The LL-T1820 is available in black or white for an estimated street price of $1299. LL-T1803 The Sharp LL-T1803 18-inch LCD monitor brings premium performance at a value-oriented price. With its 220 nit brightness, 400:1 contrast ratio, and analog or digital (DVI) inputs, the screen performance is exceptional. Furthermore, the Sharp LCD panel used in this monitor has an extremely fast response time of 25 ms making it perfect for displaying TV or DVD (TV tuner card required in the computer) and high speed games. The LL-T1803 also features a long-life (approximately 50,000 hours) backlight, which is 2 1/2 to 3 times the life of a CRT monitor, making this monitor an excellent investment. Available in May, the LL-T1803 has an estimated street price of $949. LL-T1520 Echoing the super-slim design of the LL-T1820, the LL-T1520 is the premier 15-inch LCD monitor available today. Featuring the Sharp ASV-technology LCD panel that provides a superior 25 ms response and super-wide display angles of 170 degrees both horizontally and vertically, this monitor produces exquisite graphics and sharp text. The AGLR coating maintains superior contrast by canceling glare and maintaining velvety blacks even in brightly-lit environments. A pair of speakers for multi-media applications is integrated with the bezel so unobtrusively, that one can barely tell they are there. The LL-T1520 is available in white or black for an estimated street price of $499. Availability is scheduled for May. LL-T15G1 The price/performance leader in 15-inch LCD monitors is the new Sharp LL-T15G1. Its high brightness (260 nits) and high contrast ratio (350:) result in a flicker-free image of extremely high quality. Auto synchronization and auto gain controls simplify optimization of this monitor for the best image from a PC or Apple computer. A cleverly designed base folds up to expose a VESA-compliant hole pattern for wall or arm mounting of the LL-T15G1. The need to remove the base is thereby completely eliminated. The LL-T15G1 also features a backlight with very low power consumption (29 watts) and extremely long life (typically 50,000 hours), making this monitor less expensive to own and use than a CRT monitor of similar size. The LL-T15G1 is available in May and has an estimated street price of $429. From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 30 21:46:35 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Installing postfix broke X -- really! Message-ID: I had a spare half-hour this morning before a meeting so I foolishly went on with replacing sendmail with postfix. Wasn't *that* simple, primarily because I had to modify the spec file then rebuild the binary package before installing it. Anyway, it now runs 'cause I'm again receiving and sending mail. However, and this is very strange, something clobbered X. Before leaving for my meeting I tried printing something (from WordPerfect via CUPS) and nothing went to the printer. So, I tried to examine the print queue and I couldn't. Then, I tried using the xfce lock icon to lock the screen and that failed, too. Here's what I see when I try to manually run xlock: [rshepard at salmo ~]$ xlock Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server xlock: unable to open display . I admit to a vast ignorance of The X Window System in all its glory. I've no idea what the above is telling me to do, nor why it happened. All I did was 'rpm -e sendmail --nodeps' so it killed fetchmail, too. Please tell me what the above message means and how to fix what I inadvertently broke. After I get this fixed, I'll write to Aracnet about adding another MX record in their DNS so mail comes directly down here. I'll post another message asking what and where to put spam blocks: /etc/postfix/main.cf, header_checks, or somewhere else. Thanks -- as usual, Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 30 23:27:39 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Testing ... 1, 1.1, 1.2 Message-ID: I am testing whether I have postfix configured properly to send mail. If this puppy gets to the list, I'll see it too. No need to respond. Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Apr 30 21:53:00 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Installing postfix broke X -- really! Message-ID: Following the venerable PLUG tradition, I discovered the answer after sending my original message: kill X, logout, re-login, startx. Shrug, Rich From JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us Tue Apr 30 17:19:00 2002 From: JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us (Miller, Jeremy) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:19:00 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting Message-ID: <51AE6EA505FCD111AB5600805F653ACB010AA0E3@EXCHANGE> That's what I try to stick to... "X". If I get a funny, confused look, I add "X Window System". If they still look at me like a deer in headlights, I say "You know, the GUI on Unix-type systems". If it takes more than that ("uh... unix?") I usually give up. :P Jeremy > -----Original Message----- > From: Longman, Bill [mailto:longman at sharplabs.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:12 AM > To: 'plug at lists.pdxlinux.org' > Subject: RE: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting > > > > > I keep seeing all over people complaining about the use of > > this term, > > > however, it's use continues to increase. I think it's a > > "new school/old > > > school" thing. I guess I'm new school and don't understand > > why people get > > > upset about this term. X Window System is too many > > syllables and X is too > > > vague. What is the objection to "X Windows"? > > > > There is defined usage and common usage. The increased use > > of the latter > > frequently leads to communications breakdowns. An analogy to > > the 'X Windows' > > vs. 'X Window System' (singular) is 'linux' and 'GNU/linux'. > > In both cases > > the copyrighted, official name is the longer one. In > > colloquial use it may > > not matter, but there is a difference in more formal settings. > > A line from the front lines: in 10 years, I've heard it referred to as > almost exclusively, pun intended, as "X". From a Data General > workstation > guy, a NMR spectroscopist on a Sun, to developers on Linux > and Suns. Some > might use "X Windows" when talking to lay people but the vast > majority just > say "X". > > -- > WEL > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us Tue Apr 30 23:00:23 2002 From: JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us (Miller, Jeremy) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:00:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting Message-ID: <51AE6EA505FCD111AB5600805F653ACB010AA0E4@EXCHANGE> I also want to mention I've got some massive delay on my posts to this list... this is from this morning. Perhaps I need to bug somebody around here about it, or find out more... :) Jeremy > -----Original Message----- > From: Miller, Jeremy [mailto:JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us] > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:11 AM > To: 'plug at lists.pdxlinux.org' > Subject: RE: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May PLUG Meeting > > > I have a funny feeling there are many that would argue against that > particular analogy... considering that "Linux" is a term > trademarked by > Linus. (And I don't believe anyone holds a copyright on > GNU/Linux, either.) > > But I won't. :) > > (I do agree with your overall point. But on the other hand, the case > complained about WAS a sort of "official title" of a course. > Which might > warrant official terminology, as opposed to colloquial usage.) > > Jeremy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rich Shepard [mailto:rshepard at appl-ecosys.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 9:56 AM > > To: 'plug at lists.pdxlinux.org' > > Subject: RE: [PLUG] Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: May > PLUG Meeting > > > > > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Craighead, Scot D wrote: > > > > > I keep seeing all over people complaining about the use of > > this term, > > > however, it's use continues to increase. I think it's a > > "new school/old > > > school" thing. I guess I'm new school and don't understand > > why people get > > > upset about this term. X Window System is too many > > syllables and X is too > > > vague. What is the objection to "X Windows"? > > > > There is defined usage and common usage. The increased use > > of the latter > > frequently leads to communications breakdowns. An analogy to > > the 'X Windows' > > vs. 'X Window System' (singular) is 'linux' and 'GNU/linux'. > > In both cases > > the copyrighted, official name is the longer one. In > > colloquial use it may > > not matter, but there is a difference in more formal settings. > > > > The other aspect is a social one and not on topic for this > > list. That's > > the grammatical sloppiness we see everywhere with the misuse > > of apostrophes > > and the combining of two words (e.g., "a lot") into a single > > word ("alot"). > > These both inhibit communications and provide insight into > the writer. > > Again, this is neither a troll nor flame bait, but a comment > > that we need to > > work on improving our commuications, not obfuscating what we mean. > > > > Eschew obfuscation! Excelsior! > > > > Rich > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >