From due.gatti at gmx.net Mon Jul 1 00:26:04 2002 From: due.gatti at gmx.net (Greg) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:50 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad, Linux In-Reply-To: <200206300632.35342.griffint@pobox.com> References: <3d1e77d2.2d16.0@pcez.com> <200206300632.35342.griffint@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20020701002604.1a685c86.due.gatti@gmx.net> I think I remember reading somewhere that Thinkpads are one of the most 'Linux Friendly' laptops out there (just check out any linux-for-laptops pages out there, heck even FreeBSD-for-laptops pages--oodles of thinkpads). I would hope so, seeing as IBM has invested so much in Linux (I still get a kick out of their Linux server commercials.."um, I'm David *A* Brown"...).. my .02 From JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us Mon Jul 1 08:46:52 2002 From: JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us (Miller, Jeremy) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:50 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Free Hardware Update Message-ID: <51AE6EA505FCD111AB5600805F653ACB010AA1FF@exchange.ci.albany.or.us> I'm guessing since I missed a few days, and it is now monday, that I'm over the deadline? :) > Two mac quadra 605's. I _think_ netbsd will run on them. > I'm not sure > though. > > One stock mac monitor. 14" One of those w/monitor sounds fun. > 3 mac IIx machines again with unknown ammounts of disk and ram. As does one of these. (Flashbacks of snipping resistors, bumping up the ram, and setting them up as simple internet terminals/word processor machines.) > Lots of older scsi cards, i think the video capture card (not > sure which > chipset) is around here. And the vid capture. Let me know if they're not gone, yet. Jeremy From matchboy at tearitalldown.com Mon Jul 1 08:19:55 2002 From: matchboy at tearitalldown.com (r0bbY russell aka MaTcHBoY) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:50 2007 Subject: [PLUG] ls question... quick question Message-ID: <023601c22112$c161b850$7cf397d0@imarkpdx.com> I need to display the directories in the current path... ls -l gives me a nice list of files/folders but how do i display the size of the folders? -Robby From m at netpro.to Mon Jul 1 10:16:07 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] ls question... quick question In-Reply-To: <023601c22112$c161b850$7cf397d0@imarkpdx.com> Message-ID: du -sh myfolder The "s" option gives you the total and the "h" option puts it in "human readable form." On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, r0bbY russell aka MaTcHBoY wrote: > I need to display the directories in the current path... > ls -l gives me a nice list of files/folders > but how do i display the size of the folders? > > -Robby > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Mon Jul 1 10:16:11 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (Cooper Stevenson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] ls question... quick question In-Reply-To: <023601c22112$c161b850$7cf397d0@imarkpdx.com> References: <023601c22112$c161b850$7cf397d0@imarkpdx.com> Message-ID: <1025543771.2019.12.camel@pookie> Robby; Execute the following (minus the '$' sighn, that's just the prompt): $ du -hc /directory/to/view/size/of Just to be super-cool, if you wish to see the list of files sorted from the largest to the smallest, perform the following: $ du -k /directory/to/view/size/of | sort -rn | less See the man page on du (man du) or drop an email on this list for details about du. -Cooper On Mon, 2002-07-01 at 08:19, r0bbY russell aka MaTcHBoY wrote: > I need to display the directories in the current path... > ls -l gives me a nice list of files/folders > but how do i display the size of the folders? > > -Robby > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper@metasource.us UNIX/Linux Consultant |PH: (541)791-1322 MetaSource Technologies |www.metasource.us ------------------------------------------------------ From russj at dimstar.net Mon Jul 1 10:24:18 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Bind library vulnerability Message-ID: <20020701102418.56e45eaa.russj@dimstar.net> This could be bad. What it says is that basically anything unix, that resolves names could be hackable. It could execute arbitrary code or be a DOS attack. http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-19.html -- "The power to untie is stronger than the power to tie." Well, yeah, otherwise my shoes would tie themselves. --- Russ Johnson Stargate Online http://www.dimstar.net telnet://telnet.dimstar.net ICQ: 3739685:Airneil From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Mon Jul 1 10:36:45 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Debian Install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025545005.9568.27.camel@juniper> On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 02:22, Jeme A Brelin wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Bill Spears wrote: > > Boy am I glad to hear that. I was just about ready to give up on D. > Don't give up that easy! > Yeah, it's a really annoying bug. I hope it gets fixed soon. > > I mean, the workaround is REALLY easy, but if you don't know about it, you > just get screwed. > It will be fixed when Woody is released. Once again, on the Debian archive server itself, if you were to log on and "ls" the directories, you'd see that "woody" is a real directory, and there's currently a symlink to it named "testing". "sid" has a symlink to it called "unstable", and "potato" has one called "stable". At release time, the symlinks will be changed, so at that point, "woody" will be symlinked to by a link named "stable", and the ``bug'' in the installer will just disappear. > > Well, it's doing its thing now. I still find deselect a little confusing. > > Quoth Karl, "apt-get install aptitude". > Yes! "dselect" is semi deprecated at this point -- "aptitude" is much easier to use. > > I thought I was telling it, "OK, I accept your recommendations for > > resolving the conflicts, now let me install.", but it wouldn't accept > > them for some reason. Next time, I'll try flowers or candy. > > Walk through everything and see if it says anything about unmeetable > dependencies. Sometimes a package has a dependency which cannot be met by > any available package. This situation usually only lasts for a day or > two. > Yes, that can happen when the archive is in flux. It happens in "unstable" and "testing" on a regular basis. It will generally stabilize within a week or so. "aptitude" has a much better interface for this problem than "dselect". I think you'll find it much less frustrating and confusing. The archive flux will never go away, we hope... That's just it's nature. Debian is a moving target (hence the swirl logo, or "torn fedora"). > > In the mean time, while waiting to get X going, I'm surfing with lynx. > > I may never go back. > > Graphical presentation is overrated. So is Debian. p-) From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Mon Jul 1 10:51:13 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] What's the deal with the unsigned site? In-Reply-To: <3D1F2D70.5090306@cryptowave.com> References: <3D1F2D70.5090306@cryptowave.com> Message-ID: <1025545873.9568.33.camel@juniper> On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 09:10, John H. wrote: > A few thousand dollars?! Geotrust has them for $50... > It's typically around $100/year It's such a racket. We don't need to spend on it. If you click the button to view the cert, doesn't it display the information I entered when I generated it with "mod-ssl-makecert"? You should be able to "accept forever" and have it not dialog at you every time thereafter. From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Mon Jul 1 11:01:01 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Killing a process that won't die Message-ID: <1025546461.9568.37.camel@juniper> Try the "killall" command, part of the sysvinit package. You can kill processes by name, rather than by PID that way. Also, the "ps" command has several useful switches for determining the run state of a process. Look for one that will show you the "WCHAN". Sometimes things get stuck in disk I/O, and cannot be killed. Usually then though, they are not spinning the CPU. I guess if it can spin the CPU, then it probably can be killed. I most often run: ps wwwauxf | less or use "kim" or "gitps". From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Mon Jul 1 11:16:17 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] dselect has been split out of the "dpkg" package! Message-ID: <1025547378.9029.42.camel@juniper> I just noticed that in "unstable" (sid), "dselect" has been split out into it's own package. (It used to be part of the "dpkg" package.) This is a sign that perhaps "aptitude" WILL become the preferred interface, and will hopefully be the one mentioned in new books and manuals. From bspears at easystreet.com Mon Jul 1 11:39:30 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Debian Install In-Reply-To: <1025545005.9568.27.camel@juniper> References: <1025545005.9568.27.camel@juniper> Message-ID: <200207011829.g61ITit20165@smtp.easystreet.com> On Monday 01 July 2002 10:36 am, you wrote: > "aptitude" has a much better interface for this problem than "dselect". > I think you'll find it much less frustrating and confusing. The archive > flux will never go away, we hope... That's just it's nature. Debian is > a moving target (hence the swirl logo, or "torn fedora"). > > > > In the mean time, while waiting to get X going, I'm surfing with lynx. > > > I may never go back. > > > > Graphical presentation is overrated. > > So is Debian. p-) What!? Splain this: I got the same error pattern on two different hard drives: 1. perl5 package (perl_5.6.1-7_i386.deb) is corrupted 2. When I tried to get rid of it (so I could apt-get install it) by using apt-get clear (clean?) I got error mesg that ext3 was corrupted. How in the world can this happen. BTW, I successfully installed RH7.2 form CD on the second HD so I'm pretty sure it's OK. > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com Mon Jul 1 11:46:48 2002 From: 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com (Steve Bonds) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad, Linux Message-ID: <65096743.1025549196237.JavaMail.root@monkey> Yes, the IBM ThinkPads work well execpt for that all-too-common WinModem problem. Unfortunately, IBM has cancelled their Linux on ThinkPad program. http://www.bm-soft.com/~bm/archives/200206/msg00090.html This doesn't mean that support for the older models will get worse, but it does mean that support for the newer models is no longer assured. I thought this was an odd move for a company which actively markets Linux. FYI, I've had good luck on my Dell Latitude CPi A. -- Steve On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Greg due.gatti@gmx.net XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: > I think I remember reading somewhere that Thinkpads are one of the > most 'Linux Friendly' laptops out there (just check out any > linux-for-laptops pages out there, heck even FreeBSD-for-laptops > pages--oodles of thinkpads). I would hope so, seeing as IBM has > invested so much in Linux (I still get a kick out of their Linux > server commercials.."um, I'm David *A* Brown"...).. my .02 From 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com Mon Jul 1 11:50:44 2002 From: 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com (Steve Bonds) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Bind library vulnerability Message-ID: <1026542631.1025549431465.JavaMail.root@monkey> Wow. That does look like a nasty one. Maybe I need to tighten up the ol' port 53 firewall a bit. ;-) -- Steve On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Russ Johnson russj@dimstar.net wrote: > This could be bad. What it says is that basically anything unix, that > resolves names could be hackable. It could execute arbitrary code or > be a DOS attack. > > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-19.html From JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us Mon Jul 1 10:11:55 2002 From: JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us (Miller, Jeremy) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] ls question... quick question Message-ID: <51AE6EA505FCD111AB5600805F653ACB010AA201@exchange.ci.albany.or.us> du -sh * (du = disk usage, or something to that effect. -s is a summary, -h is "human readable". As in kb, mb, or gb.) df is another handy one... shows free/used space on your partitions. Jeremy > -----Original Message----- > From: r0bbY russell aka MaTcHBoY [mailto:matchboy@tearitalldown.com] > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 8:20 AM > To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: [PLUG] ls question... quick question > > > I need to display the directories in the current path... > ls -l gives me a nice list of files/folders > but how do i display the size of the folders? > > -Robby > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From mindglow at dsl-only.net Mon Jul 1 13:07:24 2002 From: mindglow at dsl-only.net (Doug Davis) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Postfix rpm and /etc/init.d Message-ID: <36360-2200271120724375@dsl-only.net> ---- Original Message ---- From: rshepard@appl-ecosys.com To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org, Subject: RE: [PLUG] Postfix rpm and /etc/init.d Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:22:27 -0700 (PDT) >attempt fails because the package is looking for /etc/init.d. On my >system >it's /etc/rc.d/init.d. I don't recall if I used the 'nodeps' option >or >tweaked something in the spec file to make it install and work >properly. > > Has anyone else encountered this? What's the fix? > On RH 7.0 + systems /etc/init.d is a symlink to /etc/rc.d/init.d. This is to bring RH in line with Linux filesystem standards. Just creat the symlink and you should be good. [drdavis@eve drdavis]$ ll /etc/init.d lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Jun 23 17:03 /etc/init.d -> rc.d/init.d Doug -- Doug Davis From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Mon Jul 1 13:16:30 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (Cooper Stevenson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] GEEK FAIR 2002 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025554601.1991.27.camel@pookie> All; Why do I keep getting this email message over and over? I have recevied it maybe 6 times in the last two days! On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 18:26, Mike De La Mater wrote: > Dave is a mandrel? Is that like calling him a monkey? I like him batter than > that, and he's quite a mind, too. > > Mike > > 6/29/02 2:49:13 PM, Richard Steffens wrote: > >their block and have tents set up. Stop by and say hi to David Mandrel, > ^^^^^^^ > _____________________ > Mike De La Mater > Computer Consulting > Twenty five years experience > Networks, PCs and office technologies > 503-702-6749 > mikedela@ipns.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper@metasource.us UNIX/Linux Consultant |PH: (541)791-1322 MetaSource Technologies |www.metasource.us ------------------------------------------------------ From jon at manymoons.net Mon Jul 1 13:16:41 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Trouble with PCMCIA card RH7.2 Message-ID: <1025554601.1398.27.camel@lana.manymoons.net> I have just installed RH7.2 on my Compaq Presario 1200. I have a FA411 adapter card with 10/100 Ethernet on it. The problem is that I can't seem to get the laptop to recognize the ethernet. I tried using the redhat-config-network tool using the NE2000 compatible driver, but it complained. Do I need a different driver? I have no expereience with laptops or pcmcia cards, so any help would be greatly (GREATLY!!!!) appreciated. From jon at manymoons.net Mon Jul 1 14:16:04 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Trouble with PCMCIA card RH7.2 In-Reply-To: <1025554601.1398.27.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <1025554601.1398.27.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <1025558164.1398.35.camel@lana.manymoons.net> More info: dmesg shows: eth0: NE2000 Compatible...... In fact, there are three seperate lines of that. ifup eth0 returns the message the eth0 is not found and ifconfig only shows the loopback device. On Mon, 2002-07-01 at 13:16, Jon Jacob wrote: > I have just installed RH7.2 on my Compaq Presario 1200. I have a FA411 > adapter card with 10/100 Ethernet on it. The problem is that I can't > seem to get the laptop to recognize the ethernet. I tried using the > redhat-config-network tool using the NE2000 compatible driver, but it > complained. Do I need a different driver? > > I have no expereience with laptops or pcmcia cards, so any help would be > greatly (GREATLY!!!!) appreciated. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Mon Jul 1 15:05:16 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] OpenOffice error In-Reply-To: <1025474501.23260.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1025121417.10224.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1025287101.5721.13.camel@juniper> <1025474501.23260.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1025561116.8748.70.camel@juniper> On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 15:01, Dirk Ouellette wrote: > > Or, just type "apt-get install openoffice ttf-openoffice". That's what > > I did. It worked the first time. > > > > > Thanks Karl, but I'm using Mandrake 8.2. Perhaps "alien" can turn the .deb into an .rpm that will function? From russj at dimstar.net Mon Jul 1 15:09:59 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Trouble with PCMCIA card RH7.2 In-Reply-To: <1025558164.1398.35.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <1025554601.1398.27.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <1025558164.1398.35.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <20020701150959.45f349a3.russj@dimstar.net> Is PCMCIA support turned on? On 01 Jul 2002 14:16:04 -0700 Jon Jacob wrote: > More info: > > dmesg shows: > > eth0: NE2000 Compatible...... > > In fact, there are three seperate lines of that. > > ifup eth0 returns the message the eth0 is not found and ifconfig only > shows the loopback device. > > On Mon, 2002-07-01 at 13:16, Jon Jacob wrote: > > I have just installed RH7.2 on my Compaq Presario 1200. I have a FA411 > > adapter card with 10/100 Ethernet on it. The problem is that I can't > > seem to get the laptop to recognize the ethernet. I tried using the > > redhat-config-network tool using the NE2000 compatible driver, but it > > complained. Do I need a different driver? > > > > I have no expereience with laptops or pcmcia cards, so any help would be > > greatly (GREATLY!!!!) appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- "The power to untie is stronger than the power to tie." Well, yeah, otherwise my shoes would tie themselves. --- Russ Johnson Stargate Online http://www.dimstar.net telnet://telnet.dimstar.net ICQ: 3739685:Airneil From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Jul 1 15:22:26 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] tcpa (sorry if this is just old news) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Jason Dagit wrote: > Recently a friend brought this to my attention. And wow, I don't like it > at all... > Appearntly Intel and MS are cooking up a really really bad thing for the > GPL. > > Anyone know of any legal loopholes for this? The absolutely disgusting aspect about this is the basic premise that computers are used only as replacements for TV/VCRs and stereo systems. This does not acknowlege that computers are used for database applications, word processing, finance and accounting, scientific computations or anything else. Can you imagine Ford, Nike, Boeing, Nationwide Insurance and the Federal Emergency Management Agency agreeing on such hardware/software restrictions on their computers? The greed and narrow focus on a segment of personal, end-user use of computers as a means to greater profit in a saturated market is disheartening. I suspect that this will not fly too far before it crashes in flames. Rich From jeme at brelin.net Mon Jul 1 16:10:43 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] tcpa (sorry if this is just old news) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > The absolutely disgusting aspect about this is the basic premise > that computers are used only as replacements for TV/VCRs and stereo > systems. This does not acknowlege that computers are used for database > applications, word processing, finance and accounting, scientific > computations or anything else. Take a step back and generalize the functionality. Don't think about particular applications here, just general functions. If I may be so presumptuous, allow me to restate your sentences above in terms of general functionality: "The absolutely disgusting aspect about this is the basic premise that computers are used only to display and copy information. This does not acknowledge that computers are used for recording and manipulating information." Personally, I think they (the capitalists pushing for these regulations and technological limitations) recognize those facts better than you perceive. The whole purpose of these limitations is to keep control of the means of production in the hands of the few. Our technology is outstepping our society. We're reaching our goals faster than the people want to accept the rewards. The entire purpose of science and technology and the original intent of capitalism is to provide abundance and improve the human condition. Control of the means of production in every person's hands (and, therefore, to use the modern parlance, empowering individuals) is fairly universally recognized as an important step in improving conditions for all people. These people and systems (because systems are a kind of living thing with a sense of self-preservation) are working very hard to use their power held over from the age of scarcity to prevent the coming of the age of abundance. > Can you imagine Ford, Nike, Boeing, Nationwide Insurance and the > Federal Emergency Management Agency agreeing on such hardware/software > restrictions on their computers? These organizations will receive special dispensation from the regulations by way of their massive accumulated wealth and power. > The greed and narrow focus on a segment of personal, end-user use of > computers as a means to greater profit in a saturated market is > disheartening. I suspect that this will not fly too far before it > crashes in flames. Personally, I don't think we're turning this particular bus around until we cancel the line or shut down the freeway (if that metaphor is at all distinguishable from gibberish). J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From bmdimaculangan at bhpi.com.ph Mon Jul 1 16:42:11 2002 From: bmdimaculangan at bhpi.com.ph (Billy M Dimaculangan) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] About Squidstat Message-ID: Anyone who can help me secure mu Squidstat from other users? Thank You and Good Day! Billy M Dimaculangan ? From jon at manymoons.net Mon Jul 1 16:50:46 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Trouble with PCMCIA card RH7.2 In-Reply-To: <20020701150959.45f349a3.russj@dimstar.net> References: <1025554601.1398.27.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <1025558164.1398.35.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <20020701150959.45f349a3.russj@dimstar.net> Message-ID: <1025567447.1393.37.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Not sure, how do I check that? On Mon, 2002-07-01 at 15:09, Russ Johnson wrote: > Is PCMCIA support turned on? > > On 01 Jul 2002 14:16:04 -0700 > Jon Jacob wrote: > > > More info: > > > > dmesg shows: > > > > eth0: NE2000 Compatible...... > > > > In fact, there are three seperate lines of that. > > > > ifup eth0 returns the message the eth0 is not found and ifconfig only > > shows the loopback device. > > > > On Mon, 2002-07-01 at 13:16, Jon Jacob wrote: > > > I have just installed RH7.2 on my Compaq Presario 1200. I have a FA411 > > > adapter card with 10/100 Ethernet on it. The problem is that I can't > > > seem to get the laptop to recognize the ethernet. I tried using the > > > redhat-config-network tool using the NE2000 compatible driver, but it > > > complained. Do I need a different driver? > > > > > > I have no expereience with laptops or pcmcia cards, so any help would be > > > greatly (GREATLY!!!!) appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > -- > "The power to untie is stronger than the power to tie." > > Well, yeah, otherwise my shoes would tie themselves. > > --- > > Russ Johnson > Stargate Online > > http://www.dimstar.net > telnet://telnet.dimstar.net > ICQ: 3739685:Airneil > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From n6jpa at attbi.com Mon Jul 1 18:14:18 2002 From: n6jpa at attbi.com (Keith) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] tcpa (sorry if this is just old news) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Jason Dagit wrote: > > Recently a friend brought this to my attention. And wow, I don't like it > at all... > > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25891.html > > Appearntly Intel and MS are cooking up a really really bad thing for the > GPL. > > Anyone know of any legal loopholes for this? > > Jason It is not just computers they are doing this to, currently the FCC has approved DRM for Digital TV. So you won't be able to record anything from a DTV broadcast unless the broadcaster or copyright owner says so. I don't think Mary and Joe consumer will like this and once corporate america tries to ram this down their thoat there will be court cases and people won't buy the products. You mean I can't rip this CD to my HD if I buy the new Windows machine or be able to record my favorite show without their permission? They are cutting the hand that feeds them and in the long run it will never last. I'm all for turning off people that violate copyright law, the problem is that they are denying fair use and time shifting. The 1982 SCOTUS ruling about VCR's will most likely be used as a club to stop these silly attempts to stop people from time shifting and making legal copies. -- Best Regards, Keith NW Oregon Radio http://n6jpa.home.attbi.com/ Church of the Bourne Again Shell. Tux, Save us from the evil Gates of Hell! http://linux.com http://freebsd.org http://apple.com From russj at dimstar.net Mon Jul 1 18:37:13 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Trouble with PCMCIA card RH7.2 In-Reply-To: <1025567447.1393.37.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <1025554601.1398.27.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <1025558164.1398.35.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <20020701150959.45f349a3.russj@dimstar.net> <1025567447.1393.37.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <20020701183713.2c0362e9.russj@dimstar.net> /etc/rc.d/pcmcia status? I'm guessing here, but I thought I saw a similar question and this was the answer. I don't have pcmcia stuff myself... On 01 Jul 2002 16:50:46 -0700 Jon Jacob wrote: > Not sure, how do I check that? > > On Mon, 2002-07-01 at 15:09, Russ Johnson wrote: > > Is PCMCIA support turned on? > > > > On 01 Jul 2002 14:16:04 -0700 > > Jon Jacob wrote: > > > > > More info: > > > > > > dmesg shows: > > > > > > eth0: NE2000 Compatible...... > > > > > > In fact, there are three seperate lines of that. > > > > > > ifup eth0 returns the message the eth0 is not found and ifconfig only > > > shows the loopback device. > > > > > > On Mon, 2002-07-01 at 13:16, Jon Jacob wrote: > > > > I have just installed RH7.2 on my Compaq Presario 1200. I have a FA411 > > > > adapter card with 10/100 Ethernet on it. The problem is that I can't > > > > seem to get the laptop to recognize the ethernet. I tried using the > > > > redhat-config-network tool using the NE2000 compatible driver, but it > > > > complained. Do I need a different driver? > > > > > > > > I have no expereience with laptops or pcmcia cards, so any help would be > > > > greatly (GREATLY!!!!) appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > -- > > "The power to untie is stronger than the power to tie." > > > > Well, yeah, otherwise my shoes would tie themselves. > > > > --- > > > > Russ Johnson > > Stargate Online > > > > http://www.dimstar.net > > telnet://telnet.dimstar.net > > ICQ: 3739685:Airneil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- "The power to untie is stronger than the power to tie." Well, yeah, otherwise my shoes would tie themselves. --- Russ Johnson Stargate Online http://www.dimstar.net telnet://telnet.dimstar.net ICQ: 3739685:Airneil From briand at aracnet.com Mon Jul 1 18:39:57 2002 From: briand at aracnet.com (briand@aracnet.com) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Emacs In-Reply-To: <861ycdqap2.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> References: <861ycdqap2.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <15649.1133.680797.348945@soggy.deldotd.com> >>>>> "Russell" == Russell Senior writes: Russell> You'll eventually have to learn a little emacs lisp, but Russell> that's a *GOOD* thing. And not nearly as hard as most people seem to think. Brian From 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com Mon Jul 1 19:09:12 2002 From: 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com (Steve Bonds) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Trouble with PCMCIA card RH7.2 Message-ID: <1883626072.1025575740710.JavaMail.root@monkey> Here are some ways to check on PCMCIA: # grep pcmcia /proc/devices [Is the device there?] # lsmod [Is there a line like:] pcmcia_core 41632 0 [optional stuff] # fgrep pcmcia /var/log/boot.log [Did it start up OK when you booted?] If all that checks out, then look at: http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/doc/PCMCIA-HOWTO.html particularly section 6.2, conveniently titled "Adding support for an NE2000-compatible ethernet card". ;-) -- Steve From heinlein at attbi.com Mon Jul 1 19:20:23 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] tcpa (sorry if this is just old news) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Jeme A Brelin wrote: > Personally, I think they (the capitalists pushing for these > regulations and technological limitations) recognize those facts > better than you perceive. The whole purpose of these limitations is > to keep control of the means of production in the hands of the few. Well put. I hadn't thought of using Marx' tools of analysis for this particular struggle, but I think you're right on: this is a battle over the means of production. --Paul Heinlein From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Jul 1 19:48:44 2002 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Trouble with PCMCIA card RH7.2 Message-ID: <65432.12.231.181.15.1025578124.squirrel@mail.parkrose.k12.or.us> Russ Johnson said: > /etc/rc.d/pcmcia status? > > I'm guessing here, but I thought I saw a similar question and this was > the answer. I don't have pcmcia stuff myself... Here's what has happened to me a few times: Since the pcmcia service starts after the network service, eth0 may not initialize on startup. If: /sbin/service pcmcia status (essentially the same thing that Russ recommended) says the pcmcia service is running, try: /sbin/service network restart and ifconfig again. 'Course I'm just now realizing you said that ifup eth0 didn't help, which should accomplish the same... Does your link link illuminate and card beep when the pcmcia service starts on bootup while running all the /etc/init.d/rc.d stuff? Is pcmcia even starting (back to Russ' question)? -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From jeme at brelin.net Mon Jul 1 19:52:16 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] tcpa (sorry if this is just old news) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Keith wrote: > I don't think Mary and Joe consumer will like this and once corporate > america tries to ram this down their thoat there will be court cases > and people won't buy the products. Look at the recent history and see what really happens in these situations today. First and foremost, the products will continue to be bought. There will be no other choice. The alternatives are pulled away because those markets are dominated by the same corporations that are bringing the new products. And society simply IS NOT structured to work around abuses of power. There is no ability to provide for the needs of the community within the community, no shared experience outside the media, and no respect for ideals other than "every man for himself" and "you can't blame them for trying to make more money". Second, the law suits (those that actually see a courtroom) will not (nay, cannot) be brought by individuals. Human beings don't have the necessary wealth and stamina to endure a lawsuit against a major corporation. (There are a small handfull of counterexamples, but they are statistically negligible when compared to the number of suits dismissed or derailed because a person could not afford to fight a corporation or a conglomerate.) Instead, you have lawsuits brought by "watchdog groups" and lawsuits brought by other corporations seeking to make a dime or twenty on selling products that work around the DRM. The first are viewed by the population as radicals or "causies" or whatever and easily dismissed. The second are either consumed or driven into the ground by the larger corporation in the deal. In Betamax, Sony fought for the right to sell recording equipment to the public and won, but now Sony owns Columbia and is a member of the very organization it fought against in 1980. The last fifteen years have seen unprecendented consolidation and conglomeration of all wealth and industries into the hands of a very few. None are left with the capacity and desire to fight against this hegemony. > You mean I can't rip this CD to my HD if I buy the new Windows machine > or be able to record my favorite show without their permission? Yep. Oh, well, then I'll make due with my old music until the marketting machines drive me into the ground and I just HAVE to get the new Celine Dion. > They are cutting the hand that feeds them and in the long run it will > never last. As I've written before, two situations might arise from this battle: The capitalists will win and all human endeavor will have a price tag and an inventory control number or the people will win and there will be free exchange of ideas and information. I honestly can't say which one is more likely at this point. My human spirit tells me that the latter MUST prevail because the former just couldn't happen. But all indications are, at present, to the contrary. > I'm all for turning off people that violate copyright law, the > problem is that they are denying fair use and time shifting. Existing copyright law or realistic copyright law? > The 1982 SCOTUS ruling about VCR's will most likely be used as a club > to stop these silly attempts to stop people from time shifting and > making legal copies. Nope. The rules have changed. The DMCA was not law in 1980 when Betamax (Sony v. Universal, et al.) went to trial. And, of course, there's the standing interpretation by lower courts that, somehow, "digital is different." J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From smathews at pcez.com Mon Jul 1 23:36:04 2002 From: smathews at pcez.com (stuart mathews) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad Linux Message-ID: <3d213bc4.7721.0@pcez.com> This is what's great about Linux. I was interested in getting a Thinkpad to run Linux, but had questions. People from this group -- Geoffry, Richard, Matt, Jon Terry & Greg -- helped me out quickly. Now I can move forward. They helped secure the sale for IBM. I'm a little torn though, because getting the new system means contributing to Bill's coffers. And trust me, I need my money more than he. After 10 Windows-free months, I'm now using a new PC running XP at my new job. It spits up just as many error messages as any Windows I've ever used. What's so great about XP? After all the ballyhoo about XP, I kind of expected it to be an improvement over NT, which I had been using in the past. Heck at least when Linux comes out with a major release, there's actual, noticable improvement. ------------------- http://www.pcez.com From sandbox at pacifier.com Mon Jul 1 22:53:48 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad Linux References: <3d213bc4.7721.0@pcez.com> Message-ID: <3D213FEC.4030402@pacifier.com> stuart mathews wrote: > After all the ballyhoo about XP, I kind of expected it to be an improvement > over NT, which I had been using in the past. Heck at least when Linux comes > out with a major release, there's actual, noticable improvement. This is just speculation, but it seems that the large hardware manufacturers are dragging their heels adopting XP. I recently bought an Epson scanner at Fry's (Perfection 1650, which works great under Linux btw) and ran into an affable salesman who told his own tale of woe. He bought a scanner (don't remember, maybe an HP) based on the claim that it was XP-compatible. However, the driver cd that came with the unit had no XP support. He finally discovered that there was no XP driver yet, but that if he put his name on a list, he would be notified when one was available. It sounds like most windows people are happy with 2K and hardware oems are being very conservative toward XP. Think I've read that it's more like NT in the miserable driver department, whereas 2K inherited its compatibility from the 95/98 lineage. But I could be talking out my ass... -- Kyle Accardi From due.gatti at gmx.net Mon Jul 1 23:05:35 2002 From: due.gatti at gmx.net (Greg Fischer) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad Linux In-Reply-To: <3d213bc4.7721.0@pcez.com> References: <3d213bc4.7721.0@pcez.com> Message-ID: <20020701230535.08cf7cde.due.gatti@gmx.net> On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:36:04 -800 "stuart mathews" wrote: > I'm a little torn though, because getting the new system means contributing > to Bill's coffers. And trust me, I need my money more than he. > Does it have to be a new Thinkpad? browsing ebay I saw several 'last years models' that didn't have Windoh's on them > After 10 Windows-free months, I'm now using a new PC running XP at my new job. > It spits up just as many error messages as any Windows I've ever used. What's > so great about XP? > It has all them new perty colors and it completely takes over your applications...I had a coworker/friend call me one night because she had opened calc or some odd application from the start menu..she went back later and XP had moved it or something (apparently it does something like 'learning' your preferences, kind of like what Office 2000 does with lesser or more used functions) - and she wanted me to tell her how to find it again...I could only smile a big cheesey grin as I told her, "Sorry, hun, I only do Windows at work because I HAVE to...I know NOTHING about XP...you're on your own..." > After all the ballyhoo about XP, I kind of expected it to be an improvement > over NT, which I had been using in the past. Heck at least when Linux comes > out with a major release, there's actual, noticable improvement. > We Linux/Unix/*BSD users may be a little zealous and seemingly over-excited by that 'command line OS' at times, but we often have good reason. :) -- I just go on and on and on... http://www.expatiate.net AIM: bladerunner2037 IRC: duegatti From CurtisE at CurtisE.net Mon Jul 1 23:10:27 2002 From: CurtisE at CurtisE.net (CurtisE) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] OT Cell Phone and PDA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wondered what happened to my post. Notice that I sent it at 210 PM on 6/20 and it just showed up today (7/1). What's up with that? CurtisE -----Original Message----- From: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of CurtisE Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:10 PM To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: RE: [PLUG] OT Cell Phone and PDA >Then another person said that we should get a cell >phone and pda combination. Is this possible? >What products are available? There are a number of options available, some of which are now getting viable. The Handspring Treo 270 is the one I have my eye on. http://www.handspring.com/products/treo270/index.jhtml?sub_nav_section=Overv iew&prod_cat_name=Treo270 CurtisE _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From bmdimaculangan at bhpi.com.ph Mon Jul 1 23:50:34 2002 From: bmdimaculangan at bhpi.com.ph (Billy M Dimaculangan) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] about cgi-bin Message-ID: anyone who can help me about the cgi-bin directory, where can i edit the authentication of this directory Thank You and Good Day! Billy M Dimaculangan ? From jon at manymoons.net Mon Jul 1 23:51:09 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Trouble With SSH Message-ID: <1025592669.21305.6.camel@lana.manymoons.net> I don't know if my problem has to do with SSH2 versus SSH but I am unable to get automatic login to a customers machine. He is using SSH over there, and I have used several methods to generate the keys, but nothing seems to work. Does anybody have any idea how to properly do this or at least find out why I can't connect to him? Here is the output from the end of doing ssh -v: ......... debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY debug1: Host 'travelbyroad.com' is known and matches the RSA host key. debug1: Found key in /home/jon/.ssh/known_hosts2:1 debug1: bits set: 1045/2049 debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct debug1: kex_derive_keys debug1: newkeys: mode 1 debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent debug1: waiting for SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS debug1: newkeys: mode 0 debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received debug1: done: ssh_kex2. debug1: send SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST debug1: service_accept: ssh-userauth debug1: got SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT debug1: authentications that can continue: publickey,password debug1: next auth method to try is publickey debug1: try privkey: /home/jon/.ssh/identity debug1: try pubkey: /home/jon/.ssh/id_rsa debug1: authentications that can continue: publickey,password debug1: try pubkey: /home/jon/.ssh/id_dsa debug1: authentications that can continue: publickey,password debug1: next auth method to try is password From 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com Tue Jul 2 01:40:14 2002 From: 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com (Steve Bonds) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Trouble With SSH Message-ID: <14590088.1025599200899.JavaMail.root@monkey> I've had a number of strange interoperability problems. The strangest was how version 3 of OpenSSH refused to authenticate via public key to an OpenSSH 2 server. I never did figure out why it wasn't working until one day after a routine upgrade things magically started working. If you need to get OpenSSH talking to F-Secure SSH, then look into the key import/export features in OpenSSH. I also sometimes have good luck running a separate sshd in debug mode (-d) on a strange port and trying to connect in there. Last but not least, make sure each SSH can connect locally using the public keys. -- Steve On 1 Jul 2002, Jon Jacob jon@manymoons.net wrote: > I don't know if my problem has to do with SSH2 versus SSH but I am > unable to get automatic login to a customers machine. He is using SSH > over there, and I have used several methods to generate the keys, but > nothing seems to work. > > Does anybody have any idea how to properly do this or at least find out > why I can't connect to him? From seniorr at aracnet.com Tue Jul 2 01:45:28 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Trouble With SSH In-Reply-To: <14590088.1025599200899.JavaMail.root@monkey> References: <14590088.1025599200899.JavaMail.root@monkey> Message-ID: <86pty6a57b.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Bonds <1s7k8uhcd001@sneakemail.com> writes: Steve> I've had a number of strange interoperability problems. The Steve> strangest was how version 3 of OpenSSH refused to authenticate Steve> via public key to an OpenSSH 2 server. [...] The thing that is pissing me off currently is the lack of keyboard-interaction authentication over ssh connections when the server side is using this new privilege separation. Makes it tough to bootstrap authentication from new locations. If anyone has a reasonable solution to that one, I'd like to hear it. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From heinlein at attbi.com Tue Jul 2 06:11:26 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] about cgi-bin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Billy M Dimaculangan wrote: > anyone who can help me about the cgi-bin directory, where can i edit > the authentication of this directory The cgi-bin directory's status is defined in your Apache server's configuration file (try "locate httpd.conf" to find it). Look in that file for all mentions of the string 'cgi-bin' and/or 'ScriptAlias.' --Paul Heinlein From creelan at engr.orst.edu Tue Jul 2 06:38:51 2002 From: creelan at engr.orst.edu (Tyler F. Creelan) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] TCPA-Linux [Was: tcpa (sorry if this is just old news)] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A good forum to discuss the non-GPL ramifications of the TCPA might be the cypherpunks list (www.cypherpunks.to). Ross Anderson's FAQ and the TCPA's website are good resources too. A lot of people predict TCPA will crash and burn like similar initiatives unpopular with the tech community (UCITA, Clipper, etc), but TCPA already has the sponsorship and participation of almost all tech-related companies, a lot of non-tech, media-related companies, and even nonprofit, consumer groups. While it's quite possible Palladium (Microsoft's attempt to cut ahead of the TCPA) will crash and burn, it seems probable, given the years of effort and planning they have spent, the TCPA's goals will be realized in one form or another; the question to my mind is how their certification scheme will be governed. Going back to the GPL, Ross Anderson, author of the TCPA FAQ, believes TCPA will break the GPL because it will force re-evaluation and certification of the binary every time it is released (see below). In his analysis, Anderson assumes a highly centralized certification scheme where developers would lay down a lot of money to get their software certified. I don't think this would necessarily be the case in a distributed system of certification though. For an account of how such a system might work, try: www.cs.orst.edu/~creelan/tcpa-benefits.txt. In this scenario, free or open-source software is actually a benefit. --Tyler --- Ross Anderson: TCPA-Linux and the GPL --- Making a TCPA-compliant version of GNU/linux [by HP] will mean tidying up the code and removing whatever features conflict with the TCPA security policy. The company will then submit the pruned code to an evaluator, together with a mass of documentation for the work that's been done, including a whole lot of analyses showing, for example, that you can't get root by a buffer overflow. The business model, I believe, is this. HP will not dispute that the resulting `pruned code' is covered by the GPL. You will be able to download it, compile it, check it against the binary, and do what you like with it. However, to make it into TCPA-linux, to run it on a TCPA-enabled machine in privileged mode, you need more than the code. You need a valid signature on the binary, plus a cert to use the TCPA PKI. That will cost you money (if not at first, then eventually). Anyone will be free to make modifications to the pruned code, but in the absence of a signature the resulting O/S won't enable users to access TCPA features. It will of course be open to competitors to try to re-do the evaluation effort for enhanced versions of the pruned code, but that will cost money; six figures at least. There will likely be little motive for commercial competitors to do it, as HP will have the first mover advantages and will be able to undercut them on price. There will also be little incentive for philanthropists to do it, as the resulting product would not really be a GPL version of a TCPA operating system, but a proprietary operating system that the philanthropist could give away free. (There are still issues about who would pay for use of the PKI that hands out user certs.) The need to go through evaluation with each change is completely incompatible with the business model of free and open source software. People believed that the GPL made it impossible for a company to come along and steal code that was the result of community effort. That may have been the case so long as the processor was open, and anyone could access supervisor mode. But TCPA changes that completely. Once the majority of PCs on the market are TCPA-enabled, the GPL won't work as intended any more. There has never been anything to stop people selling complementary products and services to GPL'ed code; once the functioning of these products can be tied to a signature on the binary, the model breaks. Ross Anderson - cl.cam.ac.uk - Posted to cypherpunks@lne.com 6/02 ---------------------- From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Tue Jul 2 06:54:55 2002 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:51 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Riverdale Software freedom day postponed... Message-ID: <1025618095.20919.2.camel@homepc> Hello Folks, Several summer projects (including the new lab in our new high school building...) are behind schedule and we are without a good place to meet on the 4th for the software freedom day. We still want to have a PLUG Thank you party so we're postponing the whole thing until later in the summer or early September. Look for dates later on. I think you'll have more fun in our new lab anyway. ;-) Paul -- ========================================================== Paul Nelson................... pnelson@riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale School, 11733 SW Breyman Ave, Portland, OR 97219 school (503)636-4511.....................fax (503)635-6342 Riverdale Web Page......... http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us From bspears at easystreet.com Tue Jul 2 07:57:03 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] lilo: fails to open Message-ID: <200207021447.g62ElEa15672@smtp.easystreet.com> I'm trying to multiboot dos, rh7.2 and debian. I'm working in rh and trying to modify a working lilo.conf to include the debian partion, which I did by copying the rh7.2 stanza and changing the root part. When I run lilo it fails to open the debian image file. Here's my lilo.conf: prompt timeout=50 default=linux-redhat boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b message=/boot/message lba32 image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.7-10 label=linux-redhat initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.7-10.img read-only root=/dev/hda2 append="hdc=ide-scsi" image=/vmlinuz label=linux-debian read-only root=/dev/hda4 append="hdc=ide-scsi" other=/dev/hda1 optional label=DOS The error msg is: Fatal: open /vminuz: No such file or directory. I can mount hda4 under rh so I know the file is there. From ziggy at anodizing.com Tue Jul 2 08:09:42 2002 From: ziggy at anodizing.com (Abraham Zwygart) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] OT Cell Phone and PDA References: Message-ID: <3D21C236.500A1D4A@anodizing.com> I got it around 6/20. The boss said he was going to get us cell phones only. When is another question that I can not answer. Abraham Z. CurtisE wrote: > I wondered what happened to my post. Notice that I sent it at 210 PM on > 6/20 and it just showed up today (7/1). What's up with that? > > CurtisE > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of CurtisE > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:10 PM > To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: RE: [PLUG] OT Cell Phone and PDA > > >Then another person said that we should get a cell > >phone and pda combination. Is this possible? > >What products are available? > > There are a number of options available, some of which are now getting > viable. > The Handspring Treo 270 is the one I have my eye on. > http://www.handspring.com/products/treo270/index.jhtml?sub_nav_section=Overv > iew&prod_cat_name=Treo270 > > CurtisE > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Abraham Zwygart Senior Programmer Analyst/ | SAPA Anodizing Inc. Database Administrator | 7933 N. E. 21st Avenue Email: ziggy@anodizing.com | Portland, OR 97211 | Phone: (503) 972-1404 x 1232 Fax: (503) 972-1408 | | The thoughts, comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine | and do not reflect those of my employer, or anyone else. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us Tue Jul 2 08:47:45 2002 From: JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us (Miller, Jeremy) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] tcpa (sorry if this is just old news) Message-ID: <51AE6EA505FCD111AB5600805F653ACB010AA209@exchange.ci.albany.or.us> > "The absolutely disgusting aspect about this is the basic premise that > computers are used only to display and copy information. > This does not > acknowledge that computers are used for recording and manipulating > information." This is so right on. > perceive. The whole purpose of these limitations is to keep > control of > the means of production in the hands of the few. They've always tried to do this... it used to be easy for cost reasons. But as cost drops... Example: Audio production Pure cost of entry used to be the big barrier. That started to come down rapidly. When digital recording arrived, a huge drop loomed. So they used legal means to cripple/restrict the equipment. (Serial Copy controls, licensing, etc. Keeping the price on equipment artificially high.) But then, a loophole... generic equipment already excluded (by law) from those restrictions gained similar (and eventually more) functionality than the lower end specialized equipment. The barrier is not gone, but only as high as knowledge and a little investment. (Much smaller than it used to be.) They're trying to close the loophole again. Grrr! (Is it time to move this one over to TALK? :) From m at netpro.to Tue Jul 2 09:04:01 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Linux and other online training courses Message-ID: A coworker of mine found a site that has some pretty good online training courses. He's been going through the Linux courses and they're pretty good. There's also courses on quite a few other computer topics. Go here: http://mvulearning.mivu.org/e/eAccount/eAccountCreate.html Create an account (you just need a valid email address) and you're on your way. ~M From sandbox at pacifier.com Tue Jul 2 09:13:43 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Riverdale Software freedom day postponed... References: <1025618095.20919.2.camel@homepc> Message-ID: <3D21D137.1010203@pacifier.com> Paul Nelson wrote: > Hello Folks, > > Several summer projects (including the new lab in our new high school > building...) are behind schedule and we are without a good place to meet > on the 4th for the software freedom day. > > We still want to have a PLUG Thank you party so we're postponing the > whole thing until later in the summer or early September. > > Look for dates later on. I think you'll have more fun in our new lab > anyway. But the world's already coming. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-07-01-008-26-PR-CY-LL -- Kyle Accardi From derek at infotects.com Tue Jul 2 09:59:47 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] lilo: fails to open In-Reply-To: <200207021447.g62ElEa15672@smtp.easystreet.com> References: <200207021447.g62ElEa15672@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1025629187.1684.527.camel@dereklinux> Hi Bill, When I set up a triple boot, one winders and two debians, I had a separate lilo.conf for the second debian partition. The master boot had an extra other=/dev/hda4 to kick in the lilo loaded on the second debian partition. So I only had one image specified in the master boot record, and 2 entries for "other=". I think this will work best, because you need to be able to modify the boot record for the second linux partition independent of the boot record for the first linux partition (like when you compile a new kernel). On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 07:57, Bill Spears wrote: > I'm trying to multiboot dos, rh7.2 and debian. I'm working in rh and trying > to modify a working lilo.conf to include the debian partion, which I did by > copying the rh7.2 stanza and changing the root part. When I run lilo it fails > to open the debian image file. Here's my lilo.conf: > > prompt > timeout=50 > default=linux-redhat > boot=/dev/hda > map=/boot/map > install=/boot/boot.b > message=/boot/message > lba32 > > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.7-10 > label=linux-redhat > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.7-10.img > read-only > root=/dev/hda2 > append="hdc=ide-scsi" > > image=/vmlinuz > label=linux-debian > read-only > root=/dev/hda4 > append="hdc=ide-scsi" > > other=/dev/hda1 > optional > label=DOS > The error msg is: Fatal: open /vminuz: No such file or directory. I can mount > hda4 under rh so I know the file is there. > HTH Derek Loree From jeff at jhenshaw.com Tue Jul 2 03:45:56 2002 From: jeff at jhenshaw.com (J Henshaw) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Open source makes Abe Lincoln sad? References: <3CA21100.3030303@pacifier.com> <20020327113243.M1538@rheingold.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <007701c221b5$a5034f90$0400a8c0@oem2k> The similarities are still there Wil, the original is not reduced by copying it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wil Cooley" To: Cc: "plug" Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [PLUG] Open source makes Abe Lincoln sad? From derek at infotects.com Tue Jul 2 11:01:28 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] killing a "down" process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025632888.1449.12.camel@dereklinux> Hi All, Evolution just crashed on me :( OK, I know I'll get that sometimes, comes with running Sid (unstable debian). The real problem was the recovery. I was able to kill off all Evolution processes, but when I tried to start it again, it came up listed as "down" in the WCHAN column. It's parent ID was the window-manager. I tried to kill -9 with no effect. I then killed the window-manager and the parent ID for the downed evolution changed to 1 (the init ID). It still wouldn't die. Being out of ideas and mailers, I did the only thing I could think of, reboot. I'm just wondering, was that my only option, or is there a way to reset or kill processes that are "down"? Thanks Derek Loree From deanm at sharplabs.com Tue Jul 2 11:51:32 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thoughtful comments regarding "United Linux", distributions, &c. Message-ID: <20020702185132.8965710E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/investors/bsa/faq2 From dealy at deatech.com Tue Jul 2 12:10:46 2002 From: dealy at deatech.com (Shannon C. Dealy) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] lilo: fails to open In-Reply-To: <200207021447.g62ElEa15672@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Bill Spears wrote: [snip] > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.7-10 > label=linux-redhat > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.7-10.img > read-only > root=/dev/hda2 > append="hdc=ide-scsi" > > image=/vmlinuz > label=linux-debian > read-only > root=/dev/hda4 > append="hdc=ide-scsi" > > other=/dev/hda1 > optional > label=DOS > The error msg is: Fatal: open /vminuz: No such file or directory. I can mount > hda4 under rh so I know the file is there. While the file may be there, the file system it is on has to actually be mounted and the file "/vmlinuz" must actually be in that location in your current active file system when you run lilo. Most likely you wouldn't want to do it this way anyway, because this makes the lilo configuration for the two different versions of linux dependent on each other, every time you run lilo from either version of linux, you would have to make sure the configuration has been updated for the other version. The best way I know of to do this is setup your master boot record to point to the boot record for each partition using the "other=" approach, then for each version of Linux setup lilo to install on the partition boot record. So you would run lilo once with a configuration like this: boot=/dev/hda default=redhat other=/dev/hda2 label=redhat other=/dev/hda4 label=debian other=/dev/hda1 optional label=DOS This will setup the master boot record for the drive to allow selection between the partitions. Now for each linux partition setup your lilo configuration file just to modify it's own partition boot record. For your RedHat partition use something like this: boot=/dev/hda2 image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.7-10 label=linux-redhat initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.7-10.img read-only root=/dev/hda2 append="hdc=ide-scsi" and for the lilo configuration on the Debian one use something like this: boot=/dev/hda4 image=/vmlinuz label=linux-debian read-only root=/dev/hda4 append="hdc=ide-scsi" NOTE: I left out all the other options to make it clear what was being tinkered to do this, you will still most likely want some or all of the other options in each of these files. It's been quite awhile since I last did one of these, so hopefully I didn't leave anything out. Shannon C. Dealy | DeaTech Research Inc. dealy@deatech.com | - Custom Software Development - | Embedded Systems, Real-time, Device Drivers Phone: (800) 467-5820 | Networking, Scientific & Engineering Applications or: (541) 451-5177 | www.deatech.com From ptkwt at aracnet.com Tue Jul 2 12:30:47 2002 From: ptkwt at aracnet.com (ptkwt@aracnet.com) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Intel looking for Perl and/or Ruby programmers Message-ID: <200207021930.g62JUlx4001753@mail3.aracnet.com> I'm contracting out at Intel Ronler Acres and my boss' boss just came by asking if I know of any folks who know Perl or Ruby who are available to work immediately on a contract basis... Sooo.... if you know Perl and/or Ruby and are reasonably experienced in either of those languages please send me an email with a resume (text please) and I'll pass it on. Phil From dbridges at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 2 12:54:55 2002 From: dbridges at austin.rr.com (David Bridges) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] lilo: fails to open In-Reply-To: <200207021447.g62ElEa15672@smtp.easystreet.com> References: <200207021447.g62ElEa15672@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <20020702195455.GA26773@austin.rr.com> > image=/vmlinuz > label=linux-debian > read-only > root=/dev/hda4 > append="hdc=ide-scsi" > The error msg is: Fatal: open /vminuz: No such file or directory. I can mount > hda4 under rh so I know the file is there. While you might be correct that there is a /vmlinux on hde4 that is not the file that lilo would be looking for. It would be looking for a file in / of the system that you are currently running. Try one of these options. Either copy the file to the system you are currently running, or mount that partition and give it the correct path to the file in lilo.conf -- David From russj at dimstar.net Tue Jul 2 13:06:58 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Plain text to xml via perl Message-ID: <20020702130658.40ec9f22.russj@dimstar.net> I can't believe that I'm the first one that wants to do this. I have a perl script that already gives me text. Splits it into fields and everything. I want to put that text in an xml file. What I need is a perl module that I can feed the text to, and it will return the same text, modified so any greater-thans (>) are >, etc. Yes, I can probably write a translation, but someone must have already done this, right? Also, I may be looking at this wrong. If there are already modules that will take my parameters and write valid xml, let me know. Specifics please. I've been searching CPAN and google for several days and haven't hit on the right search or found anything close to what I'm looking for. Thanks in advance! -- "The power to untie is stronger than the power to tie." Well, yeah, otherwise my shoes would tie themselves. --- Russ Johnson Stargate Online http://www.dimstar.net telnet://telnet.dimstar.net ICQ: 3739685:Airneil From flee at aracnet.com Tue Jul 2 13:10:46 2002 From: flee at aracnet.com (Felix Lee) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Plain text to xml via perl In-Reply-To: <20020702130658.40ec9f22.russj@dimstar.net> on Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:06:58 PDT. Message-ID: <200207022010.g62KAkP02079@paper-wolf-solo.tigerfood.org> HTML::Entities::encode () may do what you want. I don't know all the differences between html and xml syntax offhand. Russ Johnson : > I want to put that text in an xml file. > > What I need is a perl module that I can feed the text to, and it will return the same text, modified so any greater-thans (>) are >, etc. Yes, I can probably write a translation, but someone must have already done this, right? > > Also, I may be looking at this wrong. If there are already modules that will take my parameters and write valid xml, let me know. From bsr at spek.org Tue Jul 2 14:03:26 2002 From: bsr at spek.org (Brent Rieck) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] killing a "down" process In-Reply-To: <1025632888.1449.12.camel@dereklinux> References: <1025632888.1449.12.camel@dereklinux> Message-ID: <1025643806.12620.16.camel@obelisk.spek.org> > Evolution just crashed on me :( OK, I know I'll get that sometimes, > comes with running Sid (unstable debian). The real problem was the > recovery. I was able to kill off all Evolution processes, but when I > tried to start it again, it came up listed as "down" in the WCHAN > column. It's parent ID was the window-manager. I tried to kill -9 with > no effect. I then killed the window-manager and the parent ID for the > downed evolution changed to 1 (the init ID). It still wouldn't die. > Being out of ideas and mailers, I did the only thing I could think of, > reboot. Did you try runing "kill-ev" or "oaf-slay" to kill all parts of evolution and all the little bits and pieces that it uses before rebooting? That's always worked for me. --Brent From bspears at easystreet.com Tue Jul 2 14:32:03 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] lilo: fails to open In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200207022122.g62LMDA23481@smtp.easystreet.com> On Tuesday 02 July 2002 12:10 pm, you wrote: > On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Bill Spears wrote: > > [snip] > > > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.7-10 > > label=linux-redhat > > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.7-10.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda2 > > append="hdc=ide-scsi" > > > > image=/vmlinuz > > label=linux-debian > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda4 > > append="hdc=ide-scsi" > > > > other=/dev/hda1 > > optional > > label=DOS > > The error msg is: Fatal: open /vminuz: No such file or directory. I can > > mount hda4 under rh so I know the file is there. > > While the file may be there, the file system it is on has to actually be > mounted and the file "/vmlinuz" must actually be in that location in your > current active file system when you run lilo. Most likely you wouldn't > want to do it this way anyway, because this makes the lilo configuration > for the two different versions of linux dependent on each other, every > time you run lilo from either version of linux, you would have to make > sure the configuration has been updated for the other version. The best > way I know of to do this is setup your master boot record to point to the > boot record for each partition using the "other=" approach, then for each > version of Linux setup lilo to install on the partition boot record. So > you would run lilo once with a configuration like this: > > boot=/dev/hda > default=redhat > > other=/dev/hda2 > label=redhat > > other=/dev/hda4 > label=debian > > other=/dev/hda1 > optional > label=DOS > > This will setup the master boot record for the drive to allow selection > between the partitions. > > Now for each linux partition setup your lilo configuration file just to > modify it's own partition boot record. For your RedHat partition use > something like this: > > boot=/dev/hda2 > > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.7-10 > label=linux-redhat > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.7-10.img > read-only > root=/dev/hda2 > append="hdc=ide-scsi" > > and for the lilo configuration on the Debian one use something like this: > > boot=/dev/hda4 > > image=/vmlinuz > label=linux-debian > read-only > root=/dev/hda4 > append="hdc=ide-scsi" > > > NOTE: I left out all the other options to make it clear what was being > tinkered to do this, you will still most likely want some or all of the > other options in each of these files. > > It's been quite awhile since I last did one of these, so hopefully I > didn't leave anything out. > Thanks for the very clear explanation. But while trying to do this I ran into Fatal: First Sector of /dev/hda2 doesn't have a valid boot signature. I looked at it with fdisk and it is marked bootable. What am I missing? From 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com Tue Jul 2 14:32:27 2002 From: 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com (Steve Bonds) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Plain text to xml via perl Message-ID: <2121602272.1025645533949.JavaMail.root@monkey> On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Russ Johnson russj@dimstar.net XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: > I can't believe that I'm the first one that wants to do this. You're not. > I have a perl script that already gives me text. Splits it into fields > and everything. > > I want to put that text in an xml file. This could be done using XML::Simple. This just converts a perl hash to an XML file. It requires a good understanding of perl's complex data structures. ("man perldsc") If you need something more flexible (i.e. more complex) then XML::SAX is probably what you want. > What I need is a perl module that I can feed the text to, and it will > return the same text, modified so any greater-thans (>) are >, etc. > Yes, I can probably write a translation, but someone must have already > done this, right? If that is truly all you need, then HTML::Entities is what you want. But why not let perl do the hard XML work for you, too! > Also, I may be looking at this wrong. If there are already modules > that will take my parameters and write valid xml, let me know. Done. ;-) > Specifics please. I've been searching CPAN and google for several days > and haven't hit on the right search or found anything close to what > I'm looking for. How about this for XML::Simple: http://search.cpan.org/search?module=XML::Simple http://www.web.co.nz/~grantm/ And for XML::SAX: http://www.saxproject.org/ [original java version] http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=XML-SAX Have fun! -- Steve From derek at infotects.com Tue Jul 2 14:56:05 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] killing a "down" process In-Reply-To: <1025643806.12620.16.camel@obelisk.spek.org> References: <1025632888.1449.12.camel@dereklinux> <1025643806.12620.16.camel@obelisk.spek.org> Message-ID: <1025646966.1522.22.camel@dereklinux> On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 14:03, Brent Rieck wrote: > > Evolution just crashed on me :( OK, I know I'll get that sometimes, > > comes with running Sid (unstable debian). The real problem was the > > recovery. I was able to kill off all Evolution processes, but when I > > tried to start it again, it came up listed as "down" in the WCHAN > > column. It's parent ID was the window-manager. I tried to kill -9 with > > no effect. I then killed the window-manager and the parent ID for the > > downed evolution changed to 1 (the init ID). It still wouldn't die. > > Being out of ideas and mailers, I did the only thing I could think of, > > reboot. > > Did you try runing "kill-ev" or "oaf-slay" to kill all parts of > evolution and all the little bits and pieces that it uses before > rebooting? That's always worked for me. > There is no kill-ev on my system. What are OAF processes (there is no man page for oaf-slay)? Thanks Derek Loree From derek at infotects.com Tue Jul 2 15:11:33 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] lilo: fails to open In-Reply-To: <200207022122.g62LMDA23481@smtp.easystreet.com> References: <200207022122.g62LMDA23481@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1025647893.1522.38.camel@dereklinux> On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 14:32, Bill Spears wrote: > On Tuesday 02 July 2002 12:10 pm, you wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Bill Spears wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.7-10 > > > label=linux-redhat > > > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.7-10.img > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda2 > > > append="hdc=ide-scsi" > > > > > > image=/vmlinuz > > > label=linux-debian > > > read-only > > > root=/dev/hda4 > > > append="hdc=ide-scsi" > > > > > > other=/dev/hda1 > > > optional > > > label=DOS > > > The error msg is: Fatal: open /vminuz: No such file or directory. I can > > > mount hda4 under rh so I know the file is there. > > > > While the file may be there, the file system it is on has to actually be > > mounted and the file "/vmlinuz" must actually be in that location in your > > current active file system when you run lilo. Most likely you wouldn't > > want to do it this way anyway, because this makes the lilo configuration > > for the two different versions of linux dependent on each other, every > > time you run lilo from either version of linux, you would have to make > > sure the configuration has been updated for the other version. The best > > way I know of to do this is setup your master boot record to point to the > > boot record for each partition using the "other=" approach, then for each > > version of Linux setup lilo to install on the partition boot record. So > > you would run lilo once with a configuration like this: > > > > boot=/dev/hda > > default=redhat > > > > other=/dev/hda2 > > label=redhat > > > > other=/dev/hda4 > > label=debian > > > > other=/dev/hda1 > > optional > > label=DOS > > > > This will setup the master boot record for the drive to allow selection > > between the partitions. > > > > Now for each linux partition setup your lilo configuration file just to > > modify it's own partition boot record. For your RedHat partition use > > something like this: > > > > boot=/dev/hda2 > > > > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.7-10 > > label=linux-redhat > > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.7-10.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda2 > > append="hdc=ide-scsi" > > > > and for the lilo configuration on the Debian one use something like this: > > > > boot=/dev/hda4 > > > > image=/vmlinuz > > label=linux-debian > > read-only > > root=/dev/hda4 > > append="hdc=ide-scsi" > > > > > > NOTE: I left out all the other options to make it clear what was being > > tinkered to do this, you will still most likely want some or all of the > > other options in each of these files. > > > > It's been quite awhile since I last did one of these, so hopefully I > > didn't leave anything out. > > > > Thanks for the very clear explanation. But while trying to do this I ran into > Fatal: First Sector of /dev/hda2 doesn't have a valid boot signature. I > looked at it with fdisk and it is marked bootable. What am I missing? You need to have a second lilo.conf for your redhat partition that will write a boot record to /dev/hda2. However, this isn't necessary, for your master boot record, just use boot=/dev/hda image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.7-10 label=linux-redhat initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.7-10.img read-only root=/dev/hda2 append="hdc=ide-scsi" other=/dev/hda4 label=debian other=/dev/hda1 optional label=DOS Then run lilo on your debian partition with a lilo.conf that looks something like: boot=/dev/hda4 image=/vmlinuz label=linux-debian read-only root=/dev/hda4 append="hdc=ide-scsi" HTH, and was a little more clear. Derek From bsr at spek.org Tue Jul 2 15:23:54 2002 From: bsr at spek.org (Brent Rieck) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] killing a "down" process In-Reply-To: <1025646966.1522.22.camel@dereklinux> References: <1025632888.1449.12.camel@dereklinux> <1025643806.12620.16.camel@obelisk.spek.org> <1025646966.1522.22.camel@dereklinux> Message-ID: <1025648634.22224.51.camel@obelisk.spek.org> > There is no kill-ev on my system. What are OAF processes (there is no > man page for oaf-slay)? oops, I should've typed "killev" rather than "kill-ev" - sorry about that! I'm no expert, but from what I've gathered from lurking on the evolution mailing list OAF stands for "Object Application Framework" and is the replacement for Gnome's CORBA implementation for Gnome 2.0. I believe the components of Evolution (calendar, mailer, addressbook, etc) communicate using OAF. no man pages exist for either killev or oaf-slay, but both are perl scripts that you can peek into (at least they are on my system) if you're curious as to what they do. --Brent From dealy at deatech.com Tue Jul 2 15:26:12 2002 From: dealy at deatech.com (Shannon C. Dealy) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] lilo: fails to open In-Reply-To: <200207022122.g62LMDA23481@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Bill Spears wrote: [snip] > Thanks for the very clear explanation. But while trying to do this I ran into > Fatal: First Sector of /dev/hda2 doesn't have a valid boot signature. I > looked at it with fdisk and it is marked bootable. What am I missing? I think it is complaining that there is no bootstrap on the /dev/hda2 partition yet. I'm not sure at this point if it went ahead and installed the master boot record or not, this may simply be a warning rather than a fatal error, since it doesn't really need for there to be a bootstrap on the partition in order to install the master boot record. To be safe, you could run lilo with your redhat configuration to initialize the /dev/hda2 boot record, then re-run lilo with the configuration to initialize the drive boot record. Of course it will probably complain about your Debian partition too if that partition has not yet had a boot record written to it. Shannon C. Dealy | DeaTech Research Inc. dealy@deatech.com | - Custom Software Development - | Embedded Systems, Real-time, Device Drivers Phone: (800) 467-5820 | Networking, Scientific & Engineering Applications or: (541) 451-5177 | www.deatech.com From derek at infotects.com Tue Jul 2 16:31:35 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] killing a "down" process In-Reply-To: <1025648634.22224.51.camel@obelisk.spek.org> References: <1025632888.1449.12.camel@dereklinux> <1025643806.12620.16.camel@obelisk.spek.org> <1025646966.1522.22.camel@dereklinux> <1025648634.22224.51.camel@obelisk.spek.org> Message-ID: <1025652696.5965.5.camel@dereklinux> On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 15:23, Brent Rieck wrote: > > There is no kill-ev on my system. What are OAF processes (there is no > > man page for oaf-slay)? > > oops, I should've typed "killev" rather than "kill-ev" - sorry about > that! Thanks, my system does have a killev, and running killev --help just killed evolution, completely! I'll try it next time evolution crashes. I'm a little wary of the oaf-slay, because it doesn't take any arguments that would narrow down the things that I might want to kill, what if another application uses OAF that I don't want to kill? > > I'm no expert, but from what I've gathered from lurking on the evolution > mailing list OAF stands for "Object Application Framework" and is the > replacement for Gnome's CORBA implementation for Gnome 2.0. I believe > the components of Evolution (calendar, mailer, addressbook, etc) > communicate using OAF. > > no man pages exist for either killev or oaf-slay, but both are perl > scripts that you can peek into (at least they are on my system) if > you're curious as to what they do. I appreciate the information, very much. Derek From mike.graham at develements.com Tue Jul 2 17:20:22 2002 From: mike.graham at develements.com (Mike Graham) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Config Linksys WPC11 2.5 on NEC Versa Running Red Hat 7.2 Message-ID: <1926041407.20020702172022@develements.com> Hi. I am a Linux neophyte, and I am looking for some help setting up my current installation. I've installed Red Hat 7.2 on my NEC Versa laptop, and was able to get everything configured except the wireless lan PCMCIA card. (Linksys WPC11 2.5) I've done some reading online, and I can't find a definitive guide for getting the card to function. I was hoping that someone on the list might have already done this and would be kind enough to walk me through it. Much appreciated, Mike. Mike Graham Application Engineer DevElements, Inc. 222 NW Davis, Suite 317 Portland, Oregon 97209 EMAIL: mike.graham@develements.com AIM: DevEMikeG From sandy at herring.org Tue Jul 2 17:51:29 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Config Linksys WPC11 2.5 on NEC Versa Running Red Hat 7.2 In-Reply-To: <1926041407.20020702172022@develements.com>; from mike.graham@develements.com on Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 05:20:22PM -0700 References: <1926041407.20020702172022@develements.com> Message-ID: <20020702175129.A24486@kippered.herring.org> Mike, I don't have a laptop w/linux installed, so I can't take you by the hand through 802.11b/PCMCIA land... but at the risk of asking the obvious, did you snarf the correct driver for the card? http://www.linksys.com/download/driver.asp?dlid=59 where you'll find this link for "Linux Driver"... ftp://ftp.linksys.com/linux/linux-wlan-ng-0.1.14-pre1.tar.gz hth, Sandy On Tue, 02 Jul 2002, Mike Graham wrote: > Hi. I am a Linux neophyte, and I am looking for some help setting up > my current installation. > > I've installed Red Hat 7.2 on my NEC Versa laptop, and was able to get > everything configured except the wireless lan PCMCIA card. (Linksys > WPC11 2.5) > > I've done some reading online, and I can't find a definitive guide for > getting the card to function. I was hoping that someone on the list > might have already done this and would be kind enough to walk me > through it. > > Much appreciated, > > Mike. > > Mike Graham > Application Engineer > DevElements, Inc. > 222 NW Davis, Suite 317 > Portland, Oregon 97209 > > EMAIL: mike.graham@develements.com > AIM: DevEMikeG -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/attachments/20020702/69d2f0c2/attachment.bin From sean at fork.com Tue Jul 2 17:58:53 2002 From: sean at fork.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] pop3 account Message-ID: <20020703005854.21CD02EFA6@einstein.seansdomain.org> I have a pop3 mail account with gmx.net in Germany and all was working fine until this weekend. Now I have 67 messages stuck in the queue and they're not coming out. I have telnetted to port 110 and authenticated in, deleted the top message on the queue (several times). This has worked for me before when someone sent me something too big. I have sent a email (in english, with a german apology) to postmaster@gmx.net, but no avail. Anyone know any good tools to debug pop3? Anyone have any suggestions on how to fix it? Sean -- The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an approaching train. From codeyeti at yahoo.com Tue Jul 2 18:14:48 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] pop3 account References: <20020703005854.21CD02EFA6@einstein.seansdomain.org> Message-ID: <3D225007.CFD73E9D@yahoo.com> Have you tried fetchmail with -va ? It should do the trick. --Mike Sean Whitney wrote: > I have a pop3 mail account with gmx.net in Germany and all was working fine > until this weekend. Now I have 67 messages stuck in the queue and they're > not coming out. > > I have telnetted to port 110 and authenticated in, deleted the top message on > the queue (several times). This has worked for me before when someone sent > me something too big. > > I have sent a email (in english, with a german apology) to > postmaster@gmx.net, but no avail. > > Anyone know any good tools to debug pop3? > Anyone have any suggestions on how to fix it? > > Sean > -- > The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an approaching train. > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas *Fscking* Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From bspears at easystreet.com Tue Jul 2 19:14:14 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] lilo: fails to open In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200207030204.g6324N909669@smtp.easystreet.com> On Tuesday 02 July 2002 03:26 pm, you wrote: > On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Bill Spears wrote: > > [snip] > > > Thanks for the very clear explanation. But while trying to do this I ran > > into Fatal: First Sector of /dev/hda2 doesn't have a valid boot > > signature. I looked at it with fdisk and it is marked bootable. What am > > I missing? > > I think it is complaining that there is no bootstrap on the /dev/hda2 > partition yet. I'm not sure at this point if it went ahead and installed > the master boot record or not, this may simply be a warning rather than a > fatal error, since it doesn't really need for there to be a bootstrap on > the partition in order to install the master boot record. To be safe, you > could run lilo with your redhat configuration to initialize the /dev/hda2 > boot record, then re-run lilo with the configuration to initialize the > drive boot record. Of course it will probably complain about your Debian > partition too if that partition has not yet had a boot record written to > it. > > You're absolutely right. Working from RH I ran lilo -C liloRedhat.conf, which put ? on hda2, then lilo -C liloDebian.conf which put ? on hda4, then lilo -C liloOthers.conf which put ? on hda, and, MY GOD, it all worked. Before when I ran lilo -C liloOthers.conf it complained about both hda2 and hda4. I mistakenly thought it had somehting to do with making partitions active which it doesn't. Thanks to all for the help. I think I should now learn Grub :-) Now what's wrong with this. I used dd to copy a kernel to a floppy, but when I tried to boot from it I got a 'compression' error From mikeraz at patch.com Tue Jul 2 19:32:04 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz@patch.com) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Config Linksys WPC11 2.5 on NEC Versa Running Red Hat 7.2 In-Reply-To: <1926041407.20020702172022@develements.com>; from mike.graham@develements.com on Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 05:20:22PM -0700 References: <1926041407.20020702172022@develements.com> Message-ID: <20020702193204.C31168@patch.com> Visit http://www.personaltelco.net - the local wireless community is very active and you'll find good information there. If you have built a kernel with 2.4.18 sources the hostap driver is very easy to set up. If you do have the drivers installed and recognizing the card perhaps all that is stopping you is setting the channel and ESSID for the host node you are attempting to contact . . . . On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 05:20:22PM -0700, Mike Graham typed: > Hi. I am a Linux neophyte, and I am looking for some help setting up > my current installation. > > I've installed Red Hat 7.2 on my NEC Versa laptop, and was able to get > everything configured except the wireless lan PCMCIA card. (Linksys > WPC11 2.5) -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin and the fortune cookie says: A wife started serving chopped meat, Monday hamburger, Tuesday meat loaf, Wednesday tartar steak, and Thursday meatballs. On Friday morning her husband snarled, "How now, ground cow?" From russj at dimstar.net Tue Jul 2 21:21:19 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Openssh 3.4 rpms Message-ID: <20020702212119.0eb03ef2.russj@dimstar.net> I have downloaded the openssh 3.4 rpm from the rawhide directory and compiled them. The results are on my ftp server at ftp://ftp.dimstar.net/pub/updates/other I've installed them on both 7.2 and 7.3 with good results. ymmv. -- "The power to untie is stronger than the power to tie." Well, yeah, otherwise my shoes would tie themselves. --- Russ Johnson Stargate Online http://www.dimstar.net telnet://telnet.dimstar.net ICQ: 3739685:Airneil From sean at fork.com Tue Jul 2 21:35:16 2002 From: sean at fork.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] pop3 account In-Reply-To: <3D225007.CFD73E9D@yahoo.com> References: <20020703005854.21CD02EFA6@einstein.seansdomain.org> <3D225007.CFD73E9D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020703043517.8A2DA2EFA6@einstein.seansdomain.org> Nope it running, I don't know where the verbose output went to... but no messages from gmx.net. Sean On Tuesday 02 July 2002 18:14, you hammered at the keyboard: > Have you tried fetchmail with -va ? It should do the trick. > > --Mike > > Sean Whitney wrote: > > I have a pop3 mail account with gmx.net in Germany and all was working > > fine until this weekend. Now I have 67 messages stuck in the queue and > > they're not coming out. > > > > I have telnetted to port 110 and authenticated in, deleted the top > > message on the queue (several times). This has worked for me before when > > someone sent me something too big. > > > > I have sent a email (in english, with a german apology) to > > postmaster@gmx.net, but no avail. > > > > Anyone know any good tools to debug pop3? > > Anyone have any suggestions on how to fix it? > > > > Sean > > -- > > The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an approaching > > train. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- To err is human, to purr feline. To err is human, two curs canine. To err is human, to moo bovine. From sean at fork.com Tue Jul 2 21:48:45 2002 From: sean at fork.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] GPG Testing Message-ID: <20020703044901.2077E2EFA6@einstein.seansdomain.org> -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org hQIOAwFdRNl+RXOmEAf/ZUeMHYDpnQut4YTwgLjY8LmFs+g+H3sseurCS+K9o542 IFqn3OL7/1WvXCisIVIrEVmM35KFwLBg5Qm1J8oXYZ9HkvgW0CDxTIY9bWESVVon JdWUNlSOkmOY3gYmR2TQ6hulByxUWJdrxbhBuvw23EX1LW10Bq3Lpc8NaJDrFXSE wrpjV96Z9gr+kUv4HuL0DyQT7rhZt15SbieBwxnEQE6dsG0cvKjTJUfZCv/Tvuj+ YUhRuPp5Je+KfKM5b2BjrbKVNPoxPRqn+ZYN8vUdHppVeybtEoPf14ooLwhK5RUM VzWEh2LA26U0ZKq/mpTCxEKhbylLIsQpbZ1Oke4Cawf9EBK4So2WdgPmBwQDX1eM 1HQncagdwxZ3WuUctJBu/K0JFGbygrWzs3vQNhqGZPcLQjxX61qhydVd3ehzcbHx 7WEoy0sri9W92afbM8/cYcms0IYN+wyMMOmNNNzzGjGUH6GwsXfiAWs7PKHQo58T zbm5NWxN0osOH4E8CrVVvijJUyO8ncU1lkJtaAsx+GKPIgxW4Dtz3GY2DRYAZ+/l w7yvKGUpuDIEthLGsqHETI/vDhAmo+JPFPVgWeaa4oC4MRNShaJwXq3hy1khPm14 u/0s7zO+wBnxTztZP0M8Nn/n7nx7VsUcIturX5xYOjLFHXM4k//50/LLbxYh1YOv stKpARJ6gIkDKFJ5T0pvpYYY69N3dx326SDr6gYkoVv9B67fDezg5Ak0ETyhVCr2 /6jcpdPJAVlXs+Z997BT3LwDNnQj0wY9ip5QCDIEsoYVvv2WGlW3Wa7/2yVag3Yn YLbIulK7b/D5JzibPlCb1KJVrMvcINIYycNBy0P96dLsZbDTPQ2zetQHXQ/68zRY et8l5UevBtHsgVTJ2nVlnIW2wpvDzFfXzquPAw== =7u2F -----END PGP MESSAGE----- From sean at fork.com Tue Jul 2 22:03:29 2002 From: sean at fork.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] GPG Testing In-Reply-To: <20020703044901.2077E2EFA6@einstein.seansdomain.org> References: <20020703044901.2077E2EFA6@einstein.seansdomain.org> Message-ID: <20020703050330.800D92EFA6@einstein.seansdomain.org> Sorry..... It does work however....*grin* Sean From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Tue Jul 2 22:07:09 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (Cooper Stevenson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] GPG Testing In-Reply-To: <20020703044901.2077E2EFA6@einstein.seansdomain.org> References: <20020703044901.2077E2EFA6@einstein.seansdomain.org> Message-ID: <1025672830.4183.0.camel@pookie> That is the coolest thing I have ever seen! What's that ``pass phrase?!!??'' -Cooper On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 21:48, Sean Whitney wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > hQIOAwFdRNl+RXOmEAf/ZUeMHYDpnQut4YTwgLjY8LmFs+g+H3sseurCS+K9o542 > IFqn3OL7/1WvXCisIVIrEVmM35KFwLBg5Qm1J8oXYZ9HkvgW0CDxTIY9bWESVVon > JdWUNlSOkmOY3gYmR2TQ6hulByxUWJdrxbhBuvw23EX1LW10Bq3Lpc8NaJDrFXSE > wrpjV96Z9gr+kUv4HuL0DyQT7rhZt15SbieBwxnEQE6dsG0cvKjTJUfZCv/Tvuj+ > YUhRuPp5Je+KfKM5b2BjrbKVNPoxPRqn+ZYN8vUdHppVeybtEoPf14ooLwhK5RUM > VzWEh2LA26U0ZKq/mpTCxEKhbylLIsQpbZ1Oke4Cawf9EBK4So2WdgPmBwQDX1eM > 1HQncagdwxZ3WuUctJBu/K0JFGbygrWzs3vQNhqGZPcLQjxX61qhydVd3ehzcbHx > 7WEoy0sri9W92afbM8/cYcms0IYN+wyMMOmNNNzzGjGUH6GwsXfiAWs7PKHQo58T > zbm5NWxN0osOH4E8CrVVvijJUyO8ncU1lkJtaAsx+GKPIgxW4Dtz3GY2DRYAZ+/l > w7yvKGUpuDIEthLGsqHETI/vDhAmo+JPFPVgWeaa4oC4MRNShaJwXq3hy1khPm14 > u/0s7zO+wBnxTztZP0M8Nn/n7nx7VsUcIturX5xYOjLFHXM4k//50/LLbxYh1YOv > stKpARJ6gIkDKFJ5T0pvpYYY69N3dx326SDr6gYkoVv9B67fDezg5Ak0ETyhVCr2 > /6jcpdPJAVlXs+Z997BT3LwDNnQj0wY9ip5QCDIEsoYVvv2WGlW3Wa7/2yVag3Yn > YLbIulK7b/D5JzibPlCb1KJVrMvcINIYycNBy0P96dLsZbDTPQ2zetQHXQ/68zRY > et8l5UevBtHsgVTJ2nVlnIW2wpvDzFfXzquPAw== > =7u2F > -----END PGP MESSAGE----- > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper@metasource.us UNIX/Linux Consultant |PH: (541)791-1322 MetaSource Technologies |www.metasource.us ------------------------------------------------------ From sean at fork.com Tue Jul 2 22:36:48 2002 From: sean at fork.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] GPG Testing In-Reply-To: <1025672830.4183.0.camel@pookie> References: <20020703044901.2077E2EFA6@einstein.seansdomain.org> <1025672830.4183.0.camel@pookie> Message-ID: <20020703053648.D89B82EFA6@einstein.seansdomain.org> Pass phrase????? *grin* Sean On Tuesday 02 July 2002 22:07, you hammered at the keyboard: > That is the coolest thing I have ever seen! What's that ``pass > phrase?!!??'' > > -Cooper > > On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 21:48, Sean Whitney wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > > hQIOAwFdRNl+RXOmEAf/ZUeMHYDpnQut4YTwgLjY8LmFs+g+H3sseurCS+K9o542 > > IFqn3OL7/1WvXCisIVIrEVmM35KFwLBg5Qm1J8oXYZ9HkvgW0CDxTIY9bWESVVon > > JdWUNlSOkmOY3gYmR2TQ6hulByxUWJdrxbhBuvw23EX1LW10Bq3Lpc8NaJDrFXSE > > wrpjV96Z9gr+kUv4HuL0DyQT7rhZt15SbieBwxnEQE6dsG0cvKjTJUfZCv/Tvuj+ > > YUhRuPp5Je+KfKM5b2BjrbKVNPoxPRqn+ZYN8vUdHppVeybtEoPf14ooLwhK5RUM > > VzWEh2LA26U0ZKq/mpTCxEKhbylLIsQpbZ1Oke4Cawf9EBK4So2WdgPmBwQDX1eM > > 1HQncagdwxZ3WuUctJBu/K0JFGbygrWzs3vQNhqGZPcLQjxX61qhydVd3ehzcbHx > > 7WEoy0sri9W92afbM8/cYcms0IYN+wyMMOmNNNzzGjGUH6GwsXfiAWs7PKHQo58T > > zbm5NWxN0osOH4E8CrVVvijJUyO8ncU1lkJtaAsx+GKPIgxW4Dtz3GY2DRYAZ+/l > > w7yvKGUpuDIEthLGsqHETI/vDhAmo+JPFPVgWeaa4oC4MRNShaJwXq3hy1khPm14 > > u/0s7zO+wBnxTztZP0M8Nn/n7nx7VsUcIturX5xYOjLFHXM4k//50/LLbxYh1YOv > > stKpARJ6gIkDKFJ5T0pvpYYY69N3dx326SDr6gYkoVv9B67fDezg5Ak0ETyhVCr2 > > /6jcpdPJAVlXs+Z997BT3LwDNnQj0wY9ip5QCDIEsoYVvv2WGlW3Wa7/2yVag3Yn > > YLbIulK7b/D5JzibPlCb1KJVrMvcINIYycNBy0P96dLsZbDTPQ2zetQHXQ/68zRY > > et8l5UevBtHsgVTJ2nVlnIW2wpvDzFfXzquPAw== > > =7u2F > > -----END PGP MESSAGE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- To be is to do. -- I. Kant To do is to be. -- A. Sartre Do be a Do Bee! -- Miss Connie, Romper Room Do be do be do! -- F. Sinatra Yabba-Dabba-Doo! -- F. Flintstone From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Wed Jul 3 07:38:36 2002 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Software Freedom Day - New Date: Fri. Aug 30th Message-ID: <1025707116.3376.33.camel@homepc> Hello Folks, We've had some construction delays that have left us without a good place to hold our Software Freedom party so we're moving the date to Friday, August 30th. The location will be at our new high school computer lab full of brand new K12LTSP terminals. I know it's not the same as doing this on the 4th of July but you'll have more fun in the new lab and you'll at least be able to get into the room, something we can't do right now! ;-^) I'll send out reminders later in the summer. Looking forward to having seeing you all there! ;-) Paul -- ========================================================== Paul Nelson................... pnelson@riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale School, 11733 SW Breyman Ave, Portland, OR 97219 school (503)636-4511.....................fax (503)635-6342 Riverdale Web Page......... http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us From jon at manymoons.net Wed Jul 3 08:05:58 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Need ideas of where to go to get online Message-ID: <1025708759.25461.24.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Are there any good places around town to go where I can take my laptop and get online. I don't have wireless (yet) but would still like to find a place where I can go and work with my laptop. From jeff at jhenshaw.com Wed Jul 3 01:56:36 2002 From: jeff at jhenshaw.com (J Henshaw) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:52 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Need ideas of where to go to get online References: <1025708759.25461.24.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <013301c2226f$89729fa0$0400a8c0@oem2k> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jacob" To: "Portland Linux Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: [PLUG] Need ideas of where to go to get online > Are there any good places around town to go where I can take my laptop > and get online. I don't have wireless (yet) but would still like to > find a place where I can go and work with my laptop. > Kinko's Copy stores are almost universally wired up to the net. If you bring your laptop, it is free to surf. jH From mikeraz at patch.com Wed Jul 3 09:09:03 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz@patch.com) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Need ideas of where to go to get online In-Reply-To: <1025708759.25461.24.camel@lana.manymoons.net>; from jon@manymoons.net on Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 08:05:58AM -0700 References: <1025708759.25461.24.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <20020703090903.A4413@patch.com> On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 08:05:58AM -0700, Jon Jacob typed: > Are there any good places around town to go where I can take my laptop > and get online. I don't have wireless (yet) but would still like to > find a place where I can go and work with my laptop. The local wireless nerds operate a few publically accessable wireless points in town. See http://www.personaltelco.net/ Sites include: Billy Reeds on MLK Pioneer Courthouse Square The south park blocks Psychonautical Suppy (bookstore) on Belmont The youth hostle on Hawthorne The Pittock Block in Downtown -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin and the fortune cookie says: The days just prior to marriage are like a snappy introduction to a tedious book. From jon at manymoons.net Wed Jul 3 09:00:38 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Need ideas of where to go to get online In-Reply-To: <013301c2226f$89729fa0$0400a8c0@oem2k> References: <1025708759.25461.24.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <013301c2226f$89729fa0$0400a8c0@oem2k> Message-ID: <1025712038.25465.26.camel@lana.manymoons.net> I guess that is true, but I was hoping for a more hospitable atmosphere. Someplace to get coffee as well as work. On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 01:56, J Henshaw wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Jacob" > To: "Portland Linux Users Group" > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 3:05 PM > Subject: [PLUG] Need ideas of where to go to get online > > > > Are there any good places around town to go where I can take my laptop > > and get online. I don't have wireless (yet) but would still like to > > find a place where I can go and work with my laptop. > > > > Kinko's Copy stores are almost universally wired up to the net. > If you bring your laptop, it is free to surf. > > jH > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From mikedela at ipns.com Wed Jul 3 09:15:16 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Need ideas of where to go to get online In-Reply-To: <20020703090903.A4413@patch.com> Message-ID: How new is your car? If it's comfortable and has cup holders, you could go to Starbucks and then just drive around... I know for a fact that there are lots of unsecured wireless networks. Mike 7/3/02 9:09:03 AM, mikeraz@patch.com wrote: >On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 08:05:58AM -0700, Jon Jacob typed: >> Are there any good places around town to go where I can take my laptop >> and get online. I don't have wireless (yet) but would still like to >> find a place where I can go and work with my laptop. > >The local wireless nerds operate a few publically accessable wireless >points in town. See http://www.personaltelco.net/ > >Sites include: > > Billy Reeds on MLK > Pioneer Courthouse Square > The south park blocks > Psychonautical Suppy (bookstore) on Belmont > The youth hostle on Hawthorne > The Pittock Block in Downtown > > >-- > Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz > Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity > > "They that give up essential liberty to obtain > temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > > and the fortune cookie says: >The days just prior to marriage are like a snappy introduction to a >tedious book. > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _____________________ Mike De La Mater Computer Consulting Twenty five years experience Networks, PCs and office technologies 503-702-6749 mikedela@ipns.com From rseymour at spamcop.net Wed Jul 3 09:18:14 2002 From: rseymour at spamcop.net (Richard Seymour) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Need ideas of where to go to get online References: <1025708759.25461.24.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <013301c2226f$89729fa0$0400a8c0@oem2k> <1025712038.25465.26.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <3D2323C6.9070801@spamcop.net> Jon Jacob wrote: > I guess that is true, but I was hoping for a more hospitable > atmosphere. Someplace to get coffee as well as work. There's a newish cyber cafe just off Hawthorne on 32nd (half block south on the east side of the street, within eyeshot of the Lanai Cafe). You might be able to plug in there. Someday FREE GEEK intends to offer a real drop in access space, but until then, volunteers there (anyone can help) can use the classroom to connect, though the environment can be distracting and the presence of coffee is iffy, but it's free (for anyone volunteering at FREE GEEK). -- Some people without brains do an awful lot of talking. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Richard Seymour, the Man Behind the Curtain CHEEP GEEKS Anarchy Software FREE GEEK From jon at manymoons.net Wed Jul 3 09:11:58 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Need ideas of where to go to get online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025712718.25462.28.camel@lana.manymoons.net> But as I said, I don't have wireless. On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 09:15, Mike De La Mater wrote: > How new is your car? If it's comfortable and has cup holders, you could go to > Starbucks and then just drive around... > > I know for a fact that there are lots of unsecured wireless networks. > > Mike > > 7/3/02 9:09:03 AM, mikeraz@patch.com wrote: > > >On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 08:05:58AM -0700, Jon Jacob typed: > >> Are there any good places around town to go where I can take my laptop > >> and get online. I don't have wireless (yet) but would still like to > >> find a place where I can go and work with my laptop. > > > >The local wireless nerds operate a few publically accessable wireless > >points in town. See http://www.personaltelco.net/ > > > >Sites include: > > > > Billy Reeds on MLK > > Pioneer Courthouse Square > > The south park blocks > > Psychonautical Suppy (bookstore) on Belmont > > The youth hostle on Hawthorne > > The Pittock Block in Downtown > > > > > >-- > > Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz > > Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity > > > > "They that give up essential liberty to obtain > > temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin > > > > and the fortune cookie says: > >The days just prior to marriage are like a snappy introduction to a > >tedious book. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PLUG mailing list > >PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _____________________ > Mike De La Mater > Computer Consulting > Twenty five years experience > Networks, PCs and office technologies > 503-702-6749 > mikedela@ipns.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Wed Jul 3 09:29:58 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Who was it that said "Debian linux will never become a commercial success" ? Message-ID: <1025713799.10941.3.camel@juniper> http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/25/ From JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us Wed Jul 3 09:31:26 2002 From: JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us (Miller, Jeremy) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Who was it that said "Debian linux will never become a commercial success" ? Message-ID: <51AE6EA505FCD111AB5600805F653ACB010AA211@exchange.ci.albany.or.us> Whoa. Didn't see that one coming! :) Jeremy > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl M. Hegbloom [mailto:karlheg@pdxlinux.org] > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:30 AM > To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: [PLUG] Who was it that said "Debian linux will never become a > commercial success" ? > > > http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/25/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From merlyn at stonehenge.com Wed Jul 3 09:56:35 2002 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Intel looking for Perl and/or Ruby programmers References: Message-ID: <86znx892d8.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "ptkwt" == ptkwt writes: ptkwt> I'm contracting out at Intel Ronler Acres and my boss' boss just came by ptkwt> asking if I know of any folks who know Perl or Ruby who are available to ptkwt> work immediately on a contract basis... ptkwt> Sooo.... if you know Perl and/or Ruby and are reasonably experienced in ptkwt> either of those languages please send me an email with a resume (text ptkwt> please) and I'll pass it on. Heh. I wonder if I could apply... :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From srau at rauhaus.org Wed Jul 3 09:59:11 2002 From: srau at rauhaus.org (Stafford A. Rau) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Intel looking for Perl and/or Ruby programmers In-Reply-To: <86znx892d8.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <86znx892d8.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <20020703165911.GA20907@rauhaus.org> * Randal L. Schwartz [020703 09:50]: > > Heh. I wonder if I could apply... :) They could probably really use some security work as well... --Stafford From guy1656 at ados.com Mon Jul 1 09:01:48 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Why I will NOT use Windows XP (1) Message-ID: <20020701155243.A6C7E344C6@ados.com> http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/24815.html Win-XP Search Assistant silently downloads files By Thomas C Greene in Washington Posted: 11/04/2002 at 20:47 GMT Just over a week ago, while searching for a file on a Windows-XP machine, I was surprised to see the Search Assistant attempting to activate my Internet connection. It puzzled me because I wasn't searching the Internet, only my local drive. I was busy with other things at the time, but I made a mental note to look into it soon, which I promptly forgot to do. This morning, Reg reader Jody Melbourne rattled my cage, fresh from having made the same discovery. He'd noticed that the Assistant was establishing a connection with a machine at Microsoft. "I did not give Microsoft permission to know what files I am searching for on my local hard-drive," Jody wrote. Indeed, and neither had I. So I connected an XP box to my ISP, started a packet sniffer, and launched the Search Assistant. Sure enough, it immediately connected to http://sa.windows.com/ and fetched a number of files. But it didn't attempt to send any data to the site, beyond comparing my locally-stored versions of those files to the ones on the server. But when I performed an Internet search, the Assistant sent my search terms to the Microsoft site, and also dropped a session cookie on my machine. Phoning home? One of the files the Assistant fetches is the MS Search Companion privacy statement. This is done for P3P compliance. According to the statement, MS doesn't collect information about local searches. "No information is ever collected by Search Companion when you search your local system, LAN, or intranet for any reason." I certainly didn't pick up anything to contradict that. But there is some obvious collecting when SA is used to search the Internet. "When you search the Internet using the Search Companion, the following information is collected regarding your use of the service: your IP address, the text of your Internet search query, grammatical information about the query, the list of tasks which the Search Companion Web service recommends, and any tasks you select from the recommendation list." "Search Companion does not record your choice of Internet search engine, and does not collect or request any personal or demographic information. Information collected by the Search Companion cannot be used to identify you individually, and is never used in conjunction with other data sources that may contain personal data." Hopefully there aren't too many loopholes in that, though I rather think the user's IP can be considered personally identifying. However, MS tells us that the policy statement is out of date. IPs were logged for testing purposes during the XP beta period; but since the product launch, there has been no IP logging. In addition to the privacy statement, the remaining files fetched are XSL (Extensible Stylesheet Language) stylesheets: transform.xsl balloon.xsl prevectr.xsl vector.xsl boolean.xsl pretrans.xsl transform.xsl Users curious to know exactly what they contain can quite easily locate them on their local machine and have a peek. According to MS, they're simply used to maintain up-to-date associations between file extensions and file types, to make searching more productive. I'm not acquainted with XSL, so I'm in no position to affirm that or to argue with it, but I'd be pleased to hear from readers who can shed additional light on the subject. For now it appears that there's nothing here for users to worry about. But there is a question about MS playing fast and loose with people's Internet connections. Certainly, the minute one ventures onto the Web, one starts bleeding information all over the place, fetching images and ads and taking cookies from secondary and tertiary sources too numerous to mention. But when we run an application for some local business like a file search, we don't expect it to connect silently to the Net, even for a good reason. When we discover something like this, it feels like someone else is in control of our computer, and that is definitely not a good feeling. If Trustworthy Computing is going to mean anything, it's going to have to mean that actions like file downloads aren't going to happen without the user's knowledge and consent. A simple popup asking if one wants the latest XSL files with the options to decline, to be asked each time, or to grant permission to go ahead without further consultation is all that would be needed. Related Story Small MS DVD privacy invasion, not many dead http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/24152.html From jill at desktoplinux.com Mon Jul 1 07:21:43 2002 From: jill at desktoplinux.com (Jill Ratkevic) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] wIndependence contest deadline approaches; great prizes available Message-ID: <3D206577.4010208@desktoplinux.com> We wanted to extend this reminder to your LUG! A chance to be published and win great prizes!:) There is still time to declare your wIndependance this fourth of July! DesktopLinux.com's 1st annual wIndependence Day essay contest for the best 500-1000 words on how you kicked the Windows habit closes on July 3rd at midnight. Awesome prizes are being provided from great companies including CodeWeavers, ELX, Lindows.com, Lycoris, MandrakeSoft, NeTraverse, Opera, ShaolinMicro, Sun Microsystems, SuSE, theKompany, and Ximian, providers of the leading desktop-oriented Linux distributions and productivity tools. Enter before the deadline to be eligible! Further details on the contest, prizes, and rules of entry are available here. ===================================================================== Jill Ratkevic - jill@desktoplinux.com - 408-209-5181 Producer, DesktopLinux.com / Associate Producer, Linuxdevices.com LinuxDevices.com ... "the Embedded Linux Portal" DesktopLinux.com ... "Join the Desktop Linux Revolution!" DeviceForge, LLC -- PO Box 60973, Palo Alto, CA 94306 -- 650-325-9672 ===================================================================== From mike at mdrconsult.com Wed Jul 3 10:14:40 2002 From: mike at mdrconsult.com (Michael H.Collins) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Need ideas of where to go to get online In-Reply-To: <1025712718.25462.28.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <1025712718.25462.28.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <20020703131440.5be00dc1.mike@mdrconsult.com> Look for the chalk man.. http://www.blackbeltjones.com/warchalking/ On 03 Jul 2002 09:11:58 -0700 Jon Jacob spewed into the bitstream: ~But as I said, I don't have wireless. ~ ~On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 09:15, Mike De La Mater wrote: ~> How new is your car? If it's comfortable and has cup holders, you ~could go to > Starbucks and then just drive around... ~> ~> I know for a fact that there are lots of unsecured wireless networks. ~> ~> Mike ~> ~> 7/3/02 9:09:03 AM, mikeraz@patch.com wrote: ~> ~> >On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 08:05:58AM -0700, Jon Jacob typed: ~> >> Are there any good places around town to go where I can take my ~laptop> >> and get online. I don't have wireless (yet) but would still ~like to> >> find a place where I can go and work with my laptop. ~> > ~> >The local wireless nerds operate a few publically accessable ~wireless > >points in town. See http://www.personaltelco.net/ ~> > ~> >Sites include: ~> > ~> > Billy Reeds on MLK ~> > Pioneer Courthouse Square ~> > The south park blocks ~> > Psychonautical Suppy (bookstore) on Belmont ~> > The youth hostle on Hawthorne ~> > The Pittock Block in Downtown ~> > ~> > ~> >-- ~> > Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz ~> > Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity ~> > ~> > "They that give up essential liberty to obtain ~> > temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~> > -- Benjamin Franklin ~> > ~> > and the fortune cookie says: ~> >The days just prior to marriage are like a snappy introduction to a ~> >tedious book. ~> > ~> >_______________________________________________ ~> >PLUG mailing list ~> >PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org ~> >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ~> > ~> _____________________ ~> Mike De La Mater ~> Computer Consulting ~> Twenty five years experience ~> Networks, PCs and office technologies ~> 503-702-6749 ~> mikedela@ipns.com ~> ~> ~> ~> _______________________________________________ ~> PLUG mailing list ~> PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org ~> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ~ ~ ~ ~_______________________________________________ ~PLUG mailing list ~PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org ~http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ~ -- (o_ //\ V_/_ Michael H. Collins Admiral, Penguinista Navy http://www.mdrconsult.com http://www.lrsehosting.com/ http://kpig.com http://rawdeal.org From patomsox at ptdcs2.ra.intel.com Tue Jul 2 11:02:44 2002 From: patomsox at ptdcs2.ra.intel.com (Phillip Tomson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Perl/Ruby programmers wanted Message-ID: I'm contracting out at Intel Ronler Acres and my boss' boss just came by asking if I know of any folks who know Perl or Ruby who are available to work immediately on a contract basis... Sooo.... if you know Perl and/or Ruby and are reasonably experienced in either of those languages please send me an email with a resume (text please) and I'll pass it on. Phil From zot at whiteknighthackers.com Mon Jul 1 11:25:34 2002 From: zot at whiteknighthackers.com (Zot O'Connor) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] July 9th CRIME Meeting@Verizon, 10-Noon Message-ID: <1025547934.8228.389.camel@kat.zotnet.com> CRIME meeting 9 Jul 2002 @ 10AM @ Verizon Airtouch PROCESS-BASED SECURITY SAGE Inc. will be presenting the concepts behind Process-Based Security, the technology utilized in BRICKServer Secure Web Appliance. In addition there will be a hacking demo with a break in of a Windows Server, Linux Server and a BRICKServer Secure Web Appliance. There will also be announcements relevant to the contest for hacking into a BRICKServer online since last meeting. Lunch will be hosted at Monogolian BBQ. C.R.I.M.E. meets in the Verizon (Airtouch) Cellular building (Take I-5 South to Carmen Drive. The building is on the West side [Tigard side] of the Freeway). The meeting room is in the back of the building. The talk begins at 10:00 a.m.The street address is 15575 Sequoia Pkwy, Tigard http://crime.whiteknighthackers.com/meetings.php3. -- Zot O'Connor http://www.ZotConsulting.com http://www.WhiteKnightHackers.com From launi at zulu.launi.com Mon Jul 1 15:54:19 2002 From: launi at zulu.launi.com (Lonnie) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: Date Problems (was Re: [PLUG] IP address block questions) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I recently switched to digest mode. I'm now getting email dated in May. Is somthing going haywire? On Sat, 18 May 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > I found the IANA web site that lists all Class A (CIDR /8) address > assignments. Is there a site that lists IP address block assignments in more > detail? > > Also, is there a way in a MTA access file (or equivalent) to indicate a > range of IP address blocks, other than listing each component individually? > For example, rather than listing 61.72, 61.73, 61.74. 61.75, 61.76, 61.77 > each on its own line, can the range be validly listed on a single line? > Would something like 61.72-61.77 work? > > Thanks, > > Rich > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- ____________________________________________ Lonnie Wormley launi@zaramyth.net Business Systems Engineer www.launi.com From pluglist at bratgrrl.com Wed Jul 3 03:48:01 2002 From: pluglist at bratgrrl.com (Carla Schroder) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Who was it that said "Debian linux will never become a commercial success" ? In-Reply-To: <1025713799.10941.3.camel@juniper> References: <1025713799.10941.3.camel@juniper> Message-ID: <200207031736.g63Haxe23394@smtp.easystreet.com> On Wednesday 03 July 2002 04:29 pm, you wrote: > http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/25/ > > > Maybe the people who actually read the GPL and the Debian Social Contract, and who equate commercial success with making money? It's certainly a success on its own terms. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carla Schroder, Bratgrrl Computing Plain English Spoken Here www.bratgrrl.com this message brought to you by Kmail, on Red Hat Linux 7.2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From seniorr at aracnet.com Wed Jul 3 10:43:44 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: Date Problems (was Re: [PLUG] IP address block questions) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86lm8svh9r.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Lonnie" == Lonnie writes: Lonnie> I recently switched to digest mode. I'm now getting email Lonnie> dated in May. Is somthing going haywire? This is just wild-assed speculation, but it might have to do with Aracnet's brief SMTP outage a month or two ago. Maybe these are bounces being resent. I recently got one of my own messages, but others had responded to them at the time and I got those. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From dh at mda.huntbros.net Wed Jul 3 10:55:06 2002 From: dh at mda.huntbros.net (dh@mda.huntbros.net) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Need ideas of where to go to get online In-Reply-To: <1025712718.25462.28.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: What sort of hardware and software is needed for this kind of wireless access? I'm about to purchase a new notebook and would like to be able to get access wherever I can find it while traveling, especially in Ireland. (Most likely I'll get an Apple iBook w/ G3 processor. and dual-boot it with Linux, and I have zero knowledge of networking in general, let alone wireless, so any comments would be helpful.) -- David Hunt From sandy at herring.org Wed Jul 3 11:06:41 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] LinuxWorld Expo: Guess Who's Coming to Exhibit? Message-ID: <20020703110641.A31772@kippered.herring.org> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-07-03-015-26-NW-CY-MS Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/attachments/20020703/cf9131d4/attachment.bin From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Jul 3 10:57:21 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] sed regex to strip html code Message-ID: I'm trying to put together a one-line sed program that will strip html codes from a text file and leave the text behind. I've not yet succeeded. I've tried: sed 's/\<.*\>//g' > and it extracts angle brackets but does not remove them from the file. Instead, it puts the extracted text into the output file. Where have I gone wrong here? Thanks, Rich From mikeraz at patch.com Wed Jul 3 11:21:58 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz@patch.com) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] sed regex to strip html code In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 10:57:21AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020703112158.A5543@patch.com> since the angle brackets are part of an expression enclosed in single quotes you don't need to escape them. Try just sed 's/<.*>//g' INFILE > OUTFILE On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 10:57:21AM -0700, Rich Shepard typed: > I'm trying to put together a one-line sed program that will strip html > codes from a text file and leave the text behind. I've not yet succeeded. > I've tried: sed 's/\<.*\>//g' > > and it extracts angle brackets but does not remove them from the file. > Instead, it puts the extracted text into the output file. -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin and the fortune cookie says: egrep patterns are full regular expressions; it uses a fast deterministic algorithm that sometimes needs exponential space. -- unix manuals From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Jul 3 11:16:13 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] sed regex to strip html code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > I'm trying to put together a one-line sed program that will strip html > codes from a text file and leave the text behind. I've not yet succeeded. > I've tried: sed 's/\<.*\>//g' > > and it extracts angle brackets but does not remove them from the file. > Instead, it puts the extracted text into the output file. I've solved my problem using the text editor, 'joe', by doing a combination of plain text (for the angle brackets) and a regex for all the included text. Many tools, plethora of solutions. Rich From sandy at herring.org Wed Jul 3 11:30:03 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] sed regex to strip html code In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 10:57:21AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020703113003.B31923@kippered.herring.org> Have a look at... ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/information-systems/www/tools/translators/html2asc/ Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/attachments/20020703/f3d3bd86/attachment.bin From rob at euglug.net Wed Jul 3 11:31:46 2002 From: rob at euglug.net (Rob Hudson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] sed regex to strip html code In-Reply-To: <20020703112158.A5543@patch.com>; from mikeraz@patch.com on Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 11:21:58AM -0700 References: <20020703112158.A5543@patch.com> Message-ID: <20020703113145.A66632@cogit8.org> This will do it too... perl -pi -e 's/<.*?>//g' file.html -Rob > On 20020703.1121, mikeraz@patch.com said ... > > since the angle brackets are part of an expression enclosed in single quotes > you don't need to escape them. > > Try just sed 's/<.*>//g' INFILE > OUTFILE > > On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 10:57:21AM -0700, Rich Shepard typed: > > I'm trying to put together a one-line sed program that will strip html > > codes from a text file and leave the text behind. I've not yet succeeded. > > I've tried: sed 's/\<.*\>//g' > > > and it extracts angle brackets but does not remove them from the file. > > Instead, it puts the extracted text into the output file. > > -- > Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz > Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity > > "They that give up essential liberty to obtain > temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > > and the fortune cookie says: > egrep patterns are full regular expressions; it uses a fast deterministic > algorithm that sometimes needs exponential space. > -- unix manuals From derek at infotects.com Wed Jul 3 11:36:03 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] lilo: fails to open In-Reply-To: <200207030204.g6324N909669@smtp.easystreet.com> References: <200207030204.g6324N909669@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1025721373.5965.19.camel@dereklinux> Hi Bill, On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 19:14, Bill Spears wrote: [snip] > > Now what's wrong with this. I used dd to copy a kernel to a floppy, but when > I tried to boot from it I got a 'compression' error While this is possible to do, there are much easier ways. The main problem is a lack of a boot loader, something to tell the kernel where to look for a root file system and how to load the kernel and mount the file system. I believe that the kernel will try to mount whatever file system it finds, not necessarily the one you want mounted. I have used mkboot to create boot floppies. This tool uses lilo (which you are becoming very familiar with) and a specified kernel. The kernel doesn't need to be on the floppy (but it can be, if it is small enough), just the boot record. Lilo (when using the lilo.conf on the floppy disk) hardly ever complains when you specify a setup that doesn't exist or make sense to it. Good Luck Derek Loree From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Jul 3 12:01:09 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] sed regex to strip html code In-Reply-To: <20020703112158.A5543@patch.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 mikeraz@patch.com wrote: > since the angle brackets are part of an expression enclosed in single quotes > you don't need to escape them. Aha! I know (from reading the ORA regex book) that there are differences among applications and that angle brackets are used -- by some -- to describe word boundaries. Guess that's why I did it as I did. > Try just sed 's/<.*>//g' INFILE > OUTFILE Many thanks! Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Jul 3 12:02:10 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] sed regex to strip html code In-Reply-To: <20020703113003.B31923@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: > Have a look at... > > ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/information-systems/www/tools/translators/html2asc/ Sandy. Thank you, I will. I did a google search for html-to-text and found nothing. Rich From montagne at boora.com Wed Jul 3 12:39:35 2002 From: montagne at boora.com (Michael Montagne) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Recursively list directories Message-ID: <20020703193935.GD32409@boora.com> I need to develop a list of directories, full path, 1 per line, of all the directories under a specific (current directory ok) root. Kinda stuck. -- Michael Montagne [montagne@boora.com] 503.226.1575 -- From montagne at boora.com Wed Jul 3 12:43:39 2002 From: montagne at boora.com (Michael Montagne) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Recursively list directories In-Reply-To: <20020703193935.GD32409@boora.com> References: <20020703193935.GD32409@boora.com> Message-ID: <20020703194339.GE32409@boora.com> find . -type d -print >On 03/07/02, from the brain of Michael Montagne tumbled: > I need to develop a list of directories, full path, 1 per line, of all > the directories under a specific (current directory ok) root. > Kinda stuck. > > -- > Michael Montagne [montagne@boora.com] 503.226.1575 > -- > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Michael Montagne [montagne@boora.com] 503.226.1575 -- From dagit at engr.orst.edu Wed Jul 3 12:46:31 2002 From: dagit at engr.orst.edu (Jason Dagit) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Recursively list directories In-Reply-To: <20020703193935.GD32409@boora.com> Message-ID: Try the find command. I just checked the man page I think this will do the trick find / -type d That should start at the root and list all the directories it finds as you have specified. good luck, Jason On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Michael Montagne wrote: > I need to develop a list of directories, full path, 1 per line, of all > the directories under a specific (current directory ok) root. > Kinda stuck. > > -- > Michael Montagne [montagne@boora.com] 503.226.1575 > -- > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From heinlein at attbi.com Wed Jul 3 12:57:08 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Recursively list directories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Jason Dagit wrote: > Try the find command. I just checked the man page I think this will do > the trick > > find / -type d Or, if you need "ls -l" info on those directories: find / -type d -exec ls -ld {} \; --Paul Heinlein From ed at alcpress.com Wed Jul 3 13:13:29 2002 From: ed at alcpress.com (Ed Sawicki) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] USB Ethernet Message-ID: <1025727210.7804.23.camel@red> Does anyone here use USB Ethernet products with Linux? I'd like to know which products work and whether there are any problems. Ed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alternatively, you could pipe the output to awk like so... find /home/cstevens -type d -depth -print -exec ls -ld {} \; | awk '{ print $9 }' Watch the ticks, they are apostrophes, not single left quotes. -Cooper -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper@metasource.us UNIX/Linux Consultant |PH: (541)791-1322 MetaSource Technologies |www.metasource.us ------------------------------------------------------ From m at netpro.to Wed Jul 3 13:29:31 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] USB Ethernet In-Reply-To: <1025727210.7804.23.camel@red> Message-ID: Yes, I've used the SOHO USB 10/100 Ethernet adapter without any problems. On 3 Jul 2002, Ed Sawicki wrote: > Does anyone here use USB Ethernet products with Linux? > I'd like to know which products work and whether there are > any problems. > > Ed > > > From John at JohnTelford.com Wed Jul 3 13:39:03 2002 From: John at JohnTelford.com (John Telford) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] wIndependence contest deadline approaches; great prizes available In-Reply-To: <3D206577.4010208@desktoplinux.com> References: <3D206577.4010208@desktoplinux.com> Message-ID: <20020703203903.GC13684@lnx2.labnet> I'm being a nit-picking twit. Pronouncing wIndependence, sounds like one has dependence on wIn. I'm Win Independent and I'm celebrating the Fourth of July as Win Independence day. On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 07:21:43AM -0700, Jill Ratkevic wrote: > We wanted to extend this reminder to your LUG! A chance to be published > and win great prizes!:) > > There is still time to declare your wIndependance this fourth of July! > > DesktopLinux.com's 1st annual wIndependence Day essay contest for the > best 500-1000 words on how you kicked the Windows habit closes on July > 3rd at midnight. > > Awesome prizes are being provided from great companies including > CodeWeavers, ELX, Lindows.com, Lycoris, MandrakeSoft, NeTraverse, Opera, > ShaolinMicro, Sun Microsystems, SuSE, theKompany, and Ximian, providers > of the leading desktop-oriented Linux distributions and productivity tools. > > Enter before the deadline to be eligible! Further details on the > contest, prizes, and rules of entry are available href="http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7465556323.html">here. > > ===================================================================== > Jill Ratkevic - jill@desktoplinux.com - 408-209-5181 > Producer, DesktopLinux.com / Associate Producer, Linuxdevices.com > LinuxDevices.com ... "the Embedded Linux Portal" > DesktopLinux.com ... "Join the Desktop Linux Revolution!" > DeviceForge, LLC -- PO Box 60973, Palo Alto, CA 94306 -- 650-325-9672 > ===================================================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- John Telford - Owner JohnTelford.com LLC 503-292-6865 - fax:503-292-3094 john@johntelford.com - www.johntelford.com From ptkwt at aracnet.com Wed Jul 3 13:50:00 2002 From: ptkwt at aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Intel looking for Perl and/or Ruby programmers In-Reply-To: <86znx892d8.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: On 3 Jul 2002, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "ptkwt" == ptkwt writes: > > ptkwt> I'm contracting out at Intel Ronler Acres and my boss' boss just came by > ptkwt> asking if I know of any folks who know Perl or Ruby who are available to > ptkwt> work immediately on a contract basis... > > ptkwt> Sooo.... if you know Perl and/or Ruby and are reasonably experienced in > ptkwt> either of those languages please send me an email with a resume (text > ptkwt> please) and I'll pass it on. > > Heh. I wonder if I could apply... :) Do it. It would be fun to see how far it gets ;-) Actually, these guys are in such a hurry that they probably would forget about the security check... Phil From merlyn at stonehenge.com Wed Jul 3 14:07:54 2002 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] sed regex to strip html code References: <20020703112158.A5543@patch.com> Message-ID: <867kkc8qqd.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Rob" == Rob Hudson writes: Rob> This will do it too... Rob> perl -pi -e 's/<.*?>//g' file.html For some meaning of "do" and "it". It'll break on this: Yes, that's all stuff that should be stripped. Or try this:
That will leave _ bar"> _ when it shouldn't. This is a lot closer: $ perl -MHTML::Parser -e 'HTML::Parser->new(text_h => [ sub { print @_ }, "dtext" ])->parse_file(\*STDIN)' <<\END And this is outside. Here's <HTML entities> for you! And here's a link. END which generates: And this is outside. Here's for you! And here's a link. Proper! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From dh at mda.huntbros.net Wed Jul 3 14:31:38 2002 From: dh at mda.huntbros.net (dh@mda.huntbros.net) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:53 2007 Subject: [PLUG] sed regex to strip html code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This might be reinventing the wheel, but why not use `lynx -dump'? It'll produce a nicely formatted page most of the time. The bug is lynx only reads from a file, not from stdin. -- David Hunt From sandy at herring.org Wed Jul 3 14:54:25 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] sed regex to strip html code In-Reply-To: ; from rshepard@appl-ecosys.com on Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 12:02:10PM -0700 References: <20020703113003.B31923@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: <20020703145425.F31923@kippered.herring.org> On Wed, 03 Jul 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: > > > Have a look at... > > > > ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/information-systems/www/tools/translators/html2asc/ > > Sandy. > > Thank you, I will. I did a google search for html-to-text and found > nothing. > > Rich heh. I google'd for: sed strip html cheers, Sandy -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/attachments/20020703/0aea3ae6/attachment.bin From sandy at herring.org Wed Jul 3 14:56:18 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] sed regex to strip html code In-Reply-To: ; from dh@mda.huntbros.net on Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 02:31:38PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020703145618.G31923@kippered.herring.org> Better yet would be `lynx -dump -nolist'. Sandy On Wed, 03 Jul 2002, dh@mda.huntbros.net wrote: > > This might be reinventing the wheel, but why not use `lynx -dump'? It'll > produce a nicely formatted page most of the time. The bug is lynx only > reads from a file, not from stdin. > > -- > David Hunt -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From iconoklastic at yahoo.com Wed Jul 3 16:08:09 2002 From: iconoklastic at yahoo.com (Robert Kopp) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] USB Ethernet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020703230809.80182.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> I have a D-Link DSB-650 known to work with Linux. I'm willing to sell it at a substantial discount from its already-cheap retail price, though I don't know how to use it with Linux and cannot provide any support. --- Matt Alexander wrote: > Yes, I've used the SOHO USB 10/100 Ethernet adapter > without any problems. > > > On 3 Jul 2002, Ed Sawicki wrote: > > > Does anyone here use USB Ethernet products with > Linux? > > I'd like to know which products work and whether > there are > > any problems. > > ===== Robert "Tim" Kopp http://analytic.tripod.com/ "SAMBA--opening Windows to a wider world." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Jul 3 16:59:17 2002 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Flaky HD's References: <200207032250.g63MonE23110@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <3D238FD5.7010402@parkrose.k12.or.us> Bill Spears wrote: > Is there any way, programs, voodoo, prayer, that you guys use to check if a > drive is flakey. --snip-- IBM has Drive Fitness Test, a bootable floppy thing-a-ma-jig. They even provide a "Linux version", though it's just a floppy image. It _does_ appear that the drive to be tested must be an IBM one, as it accesses IBM drive microcode. YMMV. http://www.storage.ibm.com/hdd/support/download.htm It does seem like most drive manufacturers have something similar though. -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From mikedela at ipns.com Wed Jul 3 16:27:32 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Flaky HD's In-Reply-To: <3D238FD5.7010402@parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <6ZYSON9GDPKNKGKJ2UA1XB961UQ72.3d238864@miked> It's been my experience that when a drive fails that it writes jibberish to the file names and directories, not recognizeable text. I'd suspect a software thingy, but the manufacturer of the drive will more than likely have a utility on their site. Manufacturers are using the result codes to do troubleshooting, so theey don't have to talk to you on the phone. Mike 7/3/02 4:59:17 PM, Dan Young wrote: >Bill Spears wrote: >> Is there any way, programs, voodoo, prayer, that you guys use to check if a >> drive is flakey. >--snip-- > >IBM has Drive Fitness Test, a bootable floppy thing-a-ma-jig. They even >provide a "Linux version", though it's just a floppy image. It _does_ >appear that the drive to be tested must be an IBM one, as it accesses >IBM drive microcode. YMMV. > >http://www.storage.ibm.com/hdd/support/download.htm > >It does seem like most drive manufacturers have something similar though. > >-Dan Young >-Parkrose School District > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _____________________ Mike De La Mater Computer Consulting Twenty five years experience Networks, PCs and office technologies 503-702-6749 mikedela@ipns.com From creswick at cs.orst.edu Wed Jul 3 16:32:57 2002 From: creswick at cs.orst.edu (E. Rogan Creswick) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Recursively list directories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Or, if you need "ls -l" info on those directories: > > find / -type d -exec ls -ld {} \; > > --Paul Heinlein > using xargs is a faster way of doing it, you'd notice the difference for more than 200 or so dirs. find / -type d | xargs ls -ld -Rogan Creswick From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Wed Jul 3 16:36:49 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (Cooper Stevenson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Flaky HD's In-Reply-To: <200207032250.g63MonE23110@smtp.easystreet.com> References: <200207032250.g63MonE23110@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1025739410.5620.48.camel@pookie> On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 16:00, Bill Spears wrote: > Is there any way, programs, voodoo, prayer, that you guys use to check if a > drive is flakey. Yes. Try Badblocks: http://salamis.emu.edu.tr/document/sag/node48.html [snip] -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper@metasource.us UNIX/Linux Consultant |PH: (541)791-1322 MetaSource Technologies |www.metasource.us ------------------------------------------------------ From JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us Wed Jul 3 10:58:44 2002 From: JMILLER at ci.albany.or.us (Miller, Jeremy) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Who was it that said "Debian linux will never become a commercial success" ? Message-ID: <51AE6EA505FCD111AB5600805F653ACB010AA212@exchange.ci.albany.or.us> Note: The notice in the article is considered a joke. > Maybe the people who actually read the GPL and the Debian > Social Contract, > and who equate commercial success with making money? It's > certainly a success > on its own terms. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Carla Schroder, Bratgrrl Computing > Plain English Spoken Here > www.bratgrrl.com > this message brought to you by Kmail, > on Red Hat Linux 7.2 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jon at manymoons.net Wed Jul 3 16:58:14 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Swap Partition Size and Resizing Message-ID: <1025740694.25465.40.camel@lana.manymoons.net> First question: how do I find out how much space I have on my swap partition? (I am curious if there is some sort of utility or command line I am not aware of to do this.) Second: how do I increase it without reformating my entire disk. I am hoping (wishful thinking?) that I can somehow move some unused freespace into my swap partition. When I installed RH7.2 on my laptop, I gave it 256M for the swap, but I am about to add RAM and I know swap should equal twice the ram. Maybe I shouldn't worry about it, but if it is easy enough to do I would like to optimize the machine as much as I can. From seniorr at aracnet.com Wed Jul 3 17:19:58 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Swap Partition Size and Resizing In-Reply-To: <1025740694.25465.40.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <1025740694.25465.40.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <86wusce441.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Jon" == Jon Jacob writes: Jon> First question: how do I find out how much space I have on my Jon> swap partition? (I am curious if there is some sort of utility Jon> or command line I am not aware of to do this.) /usr/bin/top will do it. So will /usr/bin/free. I used "man -k memory" to remind me about the latter one. Jon> Second: how do I increase it without reformating my entire Jon> disk. I am hoping (wishful thinking?) that I can somehow move Jon> some unused freespace into my swap partition. When I installed Jon> RH7.2 on my laptop, I gave it 256M for the swap, but I am about Jon> to add RAM and I know swap should equal twice the ram. Maybe I Jon> shouldn't worry about it, but if it is easy enough to do I would Jon> like to optimize the machine as much as I can. I don't think the 2x memory thing is true any more. Some of the early 2.4.x kernels had that problem (I think it was), but the more recent ones I think don't. If you really want to repartition, you could check out "GNU parted". I think that's what I used to repartition the laptop computer to install linux originally. To do it safely, you need to follow a series of steps that I've forgotten, but that involve defragmenting. Note also, you can have multiple swap partitions, so don't feel the repartitioning has to be adjacent to the current swap partition. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From sandbox at pacifier.com Wed Jul 3 18:28:02 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Swap Partition Size and Resizing References: <1025740694.25465.40.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <86wusce441.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <3D23A4A2.2020408@pacifier.com> Russell Senior wrote: > Jon> Second: how do I increase it without reformating my entire > Jon> disk. I am hoping (wishful thinking?) that I can somehow move > Jon> some unused freespace into my swap partition. When I installed > Jon> RH7.2 on my laptop, I gave it 256M for the swap, but I am about > Jon> to add RAM and I know swap should equal twice the ram. Maybe I > Jon> shouldn't worry about it, but if it is easy enough to do I would > Jon> like to optimize the machine as much as I can. > > I don't think the 2x memory thing is true any more. Some of the early > 2.4.x kernels had that problem (I think it was), but the more recent > ones I think don't. > > If you really want to repartition, you could check out "GNU parted". > I think that's what I used to repartition the laptop computer to > install linux originally. To do it safely, you need to follow a > series of steps that I've forgotten, but that involve defragmenting. > Note also, you can have multiple swap partitions, so don't feel the > repartitioning has to be adjacent to the current swap partition. > I concur, but thought it was because most systems have more than enough ram nowdays. I have occasionally come to regret a particular partitioning scheme (like when RH started to use /var heavily for apache and ftp homes). I can vouch for Partition Magic v5.0. Resizing and moving are easy and it handles ext2. Probably a newer version will advertise ext3 (though I don't know if it makes a difference to PM or not). Not free, but not expensive. You'll need access to a windows box to create the two boot floppies. Cheers, Kyle Accardi From seniorr at aracnet.com Wed Jul 3 19:19:05 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Swap Partition Size and Resizing In-Reply-To: <3D23A4A2.2020408@pacifier.com> References: <1025740694.25465.40.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <86wusce441.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <3D23A4A2.2020408@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <864rfggrqe.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Kyle" == Kyle Accardi writes: Russell> I don't think the 2x memory thing is true any more. Some of Russell> the early 2.4.x kernels had that problem (I think it was), Russell> but the more recent ones I think don't. Kyle> I concur, but thought it was because most systems have more than Kyle> enough ram nowdays. My understanding was that it was a deficiency/characteristic of the VM code. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From jon at manymoons.net Wed Jul 3 19:24:04 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Swap Partition Size and Resizing In-Reply-To: <86wusce441.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> References: <1025740694.25465.40.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <86wusce441.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <1025749444.25465.47.camel@lana.manymoons.net> On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 17:19, Russell Senior wrote: > /usr/bin/top will do it. So will /usr/bin/free. I used "man -k > memory" to remind me about the latter one. Duh! Forgot about that. Too obvious. > I don't think the 2x memory thing is true any more. Some of the early > 2.4.x kernels had that problem (I think it was), but the more recent > ones I think don't. I wasn't really sure. Just saying what I heard. Still, my laptop is doing a lot disk IO and is much slower than I would have expected. I thought that a larger swap + more ram would take care of both those issues. > If you really want to repartition, you could check out "GNU parted". > I think that's what I used to repartition the laptop computer to > install linux originally. To do it safely, you need to follow a > series of steps that I've forgotten, but that involve defragmenting. > Note also, you can have multiple swap partitions, so don't feel the > repartitioning has to be adjacent to the current swap partition. I'll check out GNU parted. Thanks. I am trying to save money, so I really don't want to buy anything, if I dont have to. From sandbox at pacifier.com Wed Jul 3 19:41:20 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Swap Partition Size and Resizing References: <1025740694.25465.40.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <86wusce441.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <3D23A4A2.2020408@pacifier.com> <864rfggrqe.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <3D23B5D0.9090104@pacifier.com> Russell Senior wrote: >>>>>>"Kyle" == Kyle Accardi writes: >>>>> > > Russell> I don't think the 2x memory thing is true any more. Some of > Russell> the early 2.4.x kernels had that problem (I think it was), > Russell> but the more recent ones I think don't. > > Kyle> I concur, but thought it was because most systems have more than > Kyle> enough ram nowdays. > > My understanding was that it was a deficiency/characteristic of the VM > code. That may well be. The 2xRAM has been rule of thumb since the birth of Linux. Don't know if it was because of VM back then or something else. Looks like the VM wars have been settled, like you said in early 2.4 (~one year ago.) Funny thing happened when I upgraded a laptop w/256MbRAM from RH7.0 to 7.3. The installer _really_ wanted to created a swap file--I already had a swap partition. I had to let it, but have never heard of that. If I had the machine handy, I could check, but believe it created a mondo file ala windows. What's up with that? -- Kyle Accardi From jeme at brelin.net Wed Jul 3 21:47:37 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Swap Partition Size and Resizing In-Reply-To: <3D23B5D0.9090104@pacifier.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Kyle Accardi wrote: > Funny thing happened when I upgraded a laptop w/256MbRAM from RH7.0 to 7.3. > The installer _really_ wanted to created a swap file--I already had > a swap partition. I had to let it, but have never heard of that. If > I had the machine handy, I could check, but believe it created a mondo > file ala windows. What's up with that? Weird. Never heard of it. I stopped using a swap partition on my desktop machine and I can't say I've looked back. I started plotting out the values yielded by running `free -M` and found that the cached value was always more than the Swap: used value. I figured the extra disk I/O for reading data currently cached would be less than the current disk I/O for accessing a swap partition. My drive is quiet almost all the time and things run pretty snappily. Keep in mind, of course, that this machine has 1GB RAM. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From griffint at pobox.com Wed Jul 3 22:19:05 2002 From: griffint at pobox.com (Terry Griffin) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Swap Partition Size and Resizing In-Reply-To: <3D23B5D0.9090104@pacifier.com> References: <1025740694.25465.40.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <864rfggrqe.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <3D23B5D0.9090104@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <200207032219.05221.griffint@pobox.com> On Wednesday 03 July 2002 07:41 pm, Kyle Accardi wrote: > Russell Senior wrote: > >>>>>>"Kyle" == Kyle Accardi writes: > > > > Russell> I don't think the 2x memory thing is true any more. Some of > > Russell> the early 2.4.x kernels had that problem (I think it was), > > Russell> but the more recent ones I think don't. > > > > Kyle> I concur, but thought it was because most systems have more than > > Kyle> enough ram nowdays. > > > > My understanding was that it was a deficiency/characteristic of the VM > > code. > > That may well be. The 2xRAM has been rule of thumb since the birth of > Linux. Don't know if it was because of VM back then or something else. > Looks like the VM wars have been settled, like you said in early 2.4 (~one > year ago.) > > Funny thing happened when I upgraded a laptop w/256MbRAM from RH7.0 to 7.3. > The installer _really_ wanted to created a swap file--I already had a > swap partition. I had to let it, but have never heard of that. If I had > the machine handy, I could check, but believe it created a mondo file ala > windows. What's up with that? It was 1xRAM (16M minumum) prior to 2.4.0 (2.3.something actually).Then it went up to 2x. With the new VM in 2.4.10 it went back to 1x. With disks as big as they are these days however, there's no harm in erroring on the generous side. Terry From sean at fork.com Wed Jul 3 23:24:07 2002 From: sean at fork.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] sed regex to strip html code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020704062407.E6A6F2F569@einstein.seansdomain.org> Debian/Woody has a html2text command. *shrug* Sean On Wednesday 03 July 2002 14:31, you hammered at the keyboard: > This might be reinventing the wheel, but why not use `lynx -dump'? It'll > produce a nicely formatted page most of the time. The bug is lynx only > reads from a file, not from stdin. -- You go down to the pickup station, craving warmth and beauty; You settle for less than fascination -- a few drinks later you're not so choosy. And the closing lights strip off the shadows on this strange new flesh you've found -- Clutching the night to you like a fig leaf you hurry to the blackness and the blankets to lay down an impression and your loneliness. -- Joni Mitchell From sean at fork.com Wed Jul 3 23:27:59 2002 From: sean at fork.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] USB Ethernet In-Reply-To: <1025727210.7804.23.camel@red> References: <1025727210.7804.23.camel@red> Message-ID: <20020704062800.F1EC72F569@einstein.seansdomain.org> Stay away from 3com 3C460B usb to ethernet on any OS. I bought two of them and fought with them for 2 months before, in someone made an offhand comment about how they don't work. I ran right out and bought a linksys USB100M and it works flawlessly (with win98) so far. Sean On Wednesday 03 July 2002 13:13, Ed Sawicki hammered on some keys: > Does anyone here use USB Ethernet products with Linux? > I'd like to know which products work and whether there are > any problems. > > Ed -- You go down to the pickup station, craving warmth and beauty; You settle for less than fascination -- a few drinks later you're not so choosy. And the closing lights strip off the shadows on this strange new flesh you've found -- Clutching the night to you like a fig leaf you hurry to the blackness and the blankets to lay down an impression and your loneliness. -- Joni Mitchell From sandbox at pacifier.com Wed Jul 3 23:48:04 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Swap Partition Size and Resizing References: <1025740694.25465.40.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <864rfggrqe.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <3D23B5D0.9090104@pacifier.com> <200207032219.05221.griffint@pobox.com> Message-ID: <3D23EFA4.30407@pacifier.com> Terry Griffin wrote: > On Wednesday 03 July 2002 07:41 pm, Kyle Accardi wrote: >>>Russell> I don't think the 2x memory thing is true any more. Some of >>>Russell> the early 2.4.x kernels had that problem (I think it was), >>>Russell> but the more recent ones I think don't. >>> >>>Kyle> I concur, but thought it was because most systems have more than >>>Kyle> enough ram nowdays. >>> >>>My understanding was that it was a deficiency/characteristic of the VM >>>code. >> >>That may well be. The 2xRAM has been rule of thumb since the birth of >>Linux. Don't know if it was because of VM back then or something else. >>Looks like the VM wars have been settled, like you said in early 2.4 (~one >>year ago.) >> >>Funny thing happened when I upgraded a laptop w/256MbRAM from RH7.0 to 7.3. >> The installer _really_ wanted to created a swap file--I already had a >>swap partition. I had to let it, but have never heard of that. If I had >>the machine handy, I could check, but believe it created a mondo file ala >>windows. What's up with that? > > > It was 1xRAM (16M minumum) prior to 2.4.0 (2.3.something actually).Then it > went up to 2x. With the new VM in 2.4.10 it went back to 1x. With disks as big > as they are these days however, there's no harm in erroring on the generous > side. Okay, that sounds familiar. I think my first machines were so starved that I always doubled the swap partition. The laptop's swap is at least 1x, (probably 2x knowing me). I have done the same upgrade to RH7.2 on other machines and not been forced to create a swap file, so the mystery remains. Then again, RH warned in flashing lights that /boot be greater than something like 80M! -- Kyle Accardi From jelque at feather.net Thu Jul 4 10:38:18 2002 From: jelque at feather.net (Jeff Blain) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Exim question Message-ID: <20020704173818.GB20988@blain.org> I have Exim installed and working for my domain. I would like to setup email alias forwarding. I want email that is recieved for user@mydomain to be forwarded to user@anotherdomain even though user is not on my system. Any clues would be helpfull. Jeff From kens at cad2cam.com Thu Jul 4 10:54:01 2002 From: kens at cad2cam.com (Kenneth G. Stephens) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Exim question In-Reply-To: <20020704173818.GB20988@blain.org> Message-ID: Quick search of google gives this interesting pages: http://ioctl.org/unix/ Looks like you need to have mx entry in dns of the receiving mail domain and then you can just forward the email to the other domain in your alias file. Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org > [mailto:plug-admin@lists.pdxlinux.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Blain > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 10:38 AM > To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: [PLUG] Exim question > > > I have Exim installed and working for my domain. I would like to setup > email alias forwarding. I want email that is recieved for user@mydomain > to be forwarded to user@anotherdomain even though user is not on my > system. Any clues would be helpfull. > > Jeff > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From codeyeti at yahoo.com Thu Jul 4 11:07:43 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Exim question References: <20020704173818.GB20988@blain.org> Message-ID: <3D248EEB.A7057C48@yahoo.com> in /etc/aliases (maybe /etc/mail/aliases), put a line like this: user: user@anotherdomain Then run "newaliases" for it to take effect. Another way is to use procmail or a .forward file in the user's home directory. That way, the user can change where their mail is forwarded if they need to. --Mike Jeff Blain wrote: > I have Exim installed and working for my domain. I would like to setup > email alias forwarding. I want email that is recieved for user@mydomain > to be forwarded to user@anotherdomain even though user is not on my > system. Any clues would be helpfull. > > Jeff -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas *Fscking* Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From judah at opusnet.com Thu Jul 4 16:31:57 2002 From: judah at opusnet.com (Aaron Baer) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Swap Partition Size and Resizing In-Reply-To: <3D23EFA4.30407@pacifier.com> References: <1025740694.25465.40.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <864rfggrqe.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <3D23B5D0.9090104@pacifier.com> <200207032219.05221.griffint@pobox.com> <3D23EFA4.30407@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1025825517.6589.5.camel@laptop> On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 23:48, Kyle Accardi wrote: > Then again, RH warned in flashing lights that /boot be greater than > something like 80M! I'm sure this is because when Red Hat does it's kernel upgrades via up2date they don't remove the previously installed kernel by default. So in effect you could have multiple kernels installed filling up /boot if you have it as an independent partition. A- -- ---- Aaron Baer judah@opusnet.com http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/ From mikedela at ipns.com Fri Jul 5 01:13:19 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] removing old RH up2date kernel versions Message-ID: >I'm sure this is because when Red Hat does it's kernel upgrades via >up2date they don't remove the previously installed kernel by default. So >in effect you could have multiple kernels installed filling up /boot if >you have it as an independent partition. > >A- On that note- How the heck does somebody do this? I've got a couple of old kernels in my /boot dir, but I have been afraid to remove them. I've hacked lilo to make it boot the new kernel by default, but that's as comfortable I've been so far. Mike 7/4/02 4:31:57 PM, Aaron Baer wrote: >On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 23:48, Kyle Accardi wrote: >> Then again, RH warned in flashing lights that /boot be greater than >> something like 80M! > >I'm sure this is because when Red Hat does it's kernel upgrades via >up2date they don't remove the previously installed kernel by default. So >in effect you could have multiple kernels installed filling up /boot if >you have it as an independent partition. > >A- > >-- >---- >Aaron Baer >judah@opusnet.com >http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/ > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _____________________ Mike De La Mater Computer Consulting Twenty five years experience Networks, PCs and office technologies 503-702-6749 mikedela@ipns.com From hedlunch at yahoo.com Fri Jul 5 04:39:08 2002 From: hedlunch at yahoo.com (mark hedlund) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] removing old RH up2date kernel versions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020705113908.6752.qmail@web20514.mail.yahoo.com> For some reason, (fear of screwing up really bad) redhat has not had many rpms that delete old kernels for a long time now. If your not booting from a kernel and you don't think you'll need it for anything, you can delete it. If your not sure if you need it, have a copy of toms root boot handy, rename it, and reboot. mark --- Mike De La Mater wrote: > >I'm sure this is because when Red Hat does it's kernel upgrades via > >up2date they don't remove the previously installed kernel by default. So > >in effect you could have multiple kernels installed filling up /boot if > >you have it as an independent partition. > > > >A- > > On that note- How the heck does somebody do this? I've got a couple of old > kernels in my /boot dir, but I have been afraid to remove them. I've hacked lilo > > to make it boot the new kernel by default, but that's as comfortable I've been > so > far. > > Mike > > 7/4/02 4:31:57 PM, Aaron Baer wrote: > > >On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 23:48, Kyle Accardi wrote: > >> Then again, RH warned in flashing lights that /boot be greater than > >> something like 80M! > > > >I'm sure this is because when Red Hat does it's kernel upgrades via > >up2date they don't remove the previously installed kernel by default. So > >in effect you could have multiple kernels installed filling up /boot if > >you have it as an independent partition. > > > >A- > > > >-- > >---- > >Aaron Baer > >judah@opusnet.com > >http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PLUG mailing list > >PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _____________________ > Mike De La Mater > Computer Consulting > Twenty five years experience > Networks, PCs and office technologies > 503-702-6749 > mikedela@ipns.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From heinlein at attbi.com Fri Jul 5 08:18:03 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Recursively list directories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, E. Rogan Creswick wrote: > using xargs is a faster way of doing it, you'd notice the difference > for more than 200 or so dirs. > > find / -type d | xargs ls -ld Absolutely: find's -exec switch is very expensive. If you want to be even safer, then null-terminate your find-ings to handle directories with spaces or other odd characters in the name: find / -type d -print0 | xargs --null ls -ld --Paul Heinlein From don at truedisk.com Fri Jul 5 09:58:07 2002 From: don at truedisk.com (Don Buchholz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Recursively list directories References: Message-ID: <3D25D01F.E8F97EDC@truedisk.com> Paul Heinlein wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, E. Rogan Creswick wrote: > > > using xargs is a faster way of doing it, you'd notice the difference > > for more than 200 or so dirs. > > > > find / -type d | xargs ls -ld > > Absolutely: find's -exec switch is very expensive. If you want to be > even safer, then null-terminate your find-ings to handle directories > with spaces or other odd characters in the name: > > find / -type d -print0 | xargs --null ls -ld > Which makes me-thinks the easiest way is find / -type d -ls ... and avoid "exec" and "xargs" altogether. (OK, so you get a couple extra columns of information at the front of each line ...) - Don From judah at opusnet.com Fri Jul 5 10:28:24 2002 From: judah at opusnet.com (Aaron Baer) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] removing old RH up2date kernel versions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1025890104.11702.3.camel@laptop> On Fri, 2002-07-05 at 01:13, Mike De La Mater wrote: > >I'm sure this is because when Red Hat does it's kernel upgrades via > >up2date they don't remove the previously installed kernel by default. So > >in effect you could have multiple kernels installed filling up /boot if > >you have it as an independent partition. > > > >A- > > On that note- How the heck does somebody do this? I've got a couple of old > kernels in my /boot dir, but I have been afraid to remove them. I've hacked lilo > to make it boot the new kernel by default, but that's as comfortable I've been so > far. > > Mike > rpm -q kernel or rpm -qa | grep kernel to see what kernel versions you have installed. rpm -e kernel-2.4.foo-bar to remove any kernel versions you do not wish installed. I have yet to have a system problem removing old Red Hat kernels once the new one is installed. And typically the kernel source is replaced with the newest version if you have the previous installed. A- -- ---- Aaron Baer judah@opusnet.com http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/ From mike at computer-arts.net Fri Jul 5 14:06:28 2002 From: mike at computer-arts.net (Mike Witt) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Bounces copied to Postmaster Message-ID: <3D260A54.5F48C216@computer-arts.net> When mail is sent to non existing users, the bounces get copied to Postmaster. Once upon a time this was useful. But now-a-days this mail is 99.9% spammers just randomly trying addresses. Two questions: 1) Can someone tell me how to configure (sendmail?) not to copy postmaster specifically on mail to users that don't exist. (Or point me in the general direction of the right documentation) 2) Does anybody see a downside to doing this. -Mike -- Mike Witt Computer Arts, West Linn Oregon, USA http://www.computer-arts.net/~mike From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Jul 5 14:28:45 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] ATC - July 4 (fwd) Message-ID: Here's national recognition of Powell's Tech Books. Rich ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Aspire to Crudeness -- Issue Nineteen July 4, 2002 by Don Marti, Technical Editor of Linux Journal _________________________________________________________________ Support EFF While Recommending Your Favorite Books So you've always wanted to set up a books page where you can recommend your favorite books and people can follow a link to order them from the bookstore, but you don't want to give a bookstore all your tax information so they can send you a $25 check every few months. And, you certainly don't want to send business Amazon's way because they're software patenteers. But just as it would be hard to tell people to "burn all GIFs" without a drop-in replacement, here's a drop-in replacement for Amazon: Powell's. They meet my four tests for a good bookstore: 1. A reasonably secure, or at least not on crack, software platform. 2. A sound privacy policy, including mail by opt-in only. 3. Good selection. 4. Working access for all browsers. So go join the Powell's partner program.: http://www.powells.com/partners/partners.html To give your commission check straight to the EFF, fill in: Please write my check to: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tax ID number: 04-3091431 And here's the contact info for "Please mail my check to:" Kevin McLaughlin or Andrea Chiang EFF 454 Shotwell Street San Francisco, CA 94110 USA More info on the Amazon boycott: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html. This is from Paul Barton-Davis, one of the founding programmers at Amazon: http://www.op.net/~pbd/amazon-1click.html. But doesn't Amazon run Linux now? Well, Powell's runs MySQL.: http://www.mysql.com/articles/us/powellbooks.html I have the gut feeling I'd rather support a company that runs Apache and MySQL on legacy Solaris than a company that runs Oracle on GNU/Linux. Somehow I think this is a reflection of a quick-and-dirty estimate of how many person-hours of conversion work they are away from running all-Free infrastructure, not just "Larry Ellison is a fascist". So, yes, Amazon runs Linux, but like I said before, they're evil. Just ask Google. "Amazon is evil" -- 24 "Powell's is evil" -- 0 So what do you have to do to get on Scientology's page of "Anti-Religious Extremists"?: http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/ I am a committed opponent of the DMCA and all who use it to censor others--that puts Scientology on my dookie list. And I have bad habits, in case Scientology needs to say mean things about me to let me qualify. I am now advocating the campaign to get everyone to link the word "Scientology" on their web sites to www.Xenu.net: http://www.xenu.net/. For an example of someone doing this, see the Doc Searls' weblog: http://doc.weblogs.com/. Freedom lovers had Xenu.net up to number one on Google for a while, and now it's down to number three. Don't let those smug Hollywood hustlers get away with it. If you have the word "Scientology" linked to the official Scientology home page, please consider changing the link to point to Xenu.net, as it has more accurate information than the official CoS site. Also, if you know somebody who can get me on that page of "extremists" that the Church of Scientology doesn't like, that would be sweet. Tim O'Reilly is smoking the Libertarian Loco Weed. Tim O'Reilly writes: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2002/06/28/vendor.html: "As I've long made clear, I prefer BSD- or Apache-style licenses, or dual-licensing schemes such as the SleepyCat license, because I believe they allow for a richer ecology of open source and proprietary commercial development." These approaches, though, are essentially opposites. The dual-licensing system with both a copyleft and a proprietary license offers more information and constructive feedback to licensees--if you want to play the proprietary game, you play by proprietary rules. I'm not saying the BSD-licensing model is bad for all software, only that the dual-licensing scheme offers important features that a non-copyleft license alone does not, and there are important reasons to prefer it instead of being indifferent. The two approaches are very different, and it seems strange that Tim doesn't express a preference. But here's the really silly part. He goes on to say: Of course, this preference is within the context of support for all licenses, from the most proprietary to the most free, since my primary belief is in the right of developers to set the terms for the reuse of their code in a way that best serves their objectives. And that includes Microsoft's right to set the terms under which they license their own software--but only so long as the user is free to accept or reject those terms in a fair marketplace. Now, endorsing the right of a developer to choose any license is the same old "any contract between consenting adults should be enforceable in court" adolescent technolibertarian wankerism that has made one internet forum after another into a tiresome, pointless Ayn Rand-fest. I expected better from Tim. Unconscionable clauses in licenses are everywhere, and I don't want my tax money paying a judge to enforce ex ano notions like a ban on criticism of software. Isn't it possible to divide licenses into three groups instead of two? 1. Unconscionable licenses: these contain terms that should be unenforceable, such as violations of users' privacy, restrictions on criticizing the software and prohibitions on reverse engineering for compatibility. 2. Permissible but non-free licenses: because there's no bright line between "a computer program" and "a book about a computer program", it probably should be reasonable to license a computer program under terms analogous to those that copyright law allows for books. 3. Free licenses: smarter people than I have trashed many carpal tunnels describing this category. Saying that it's the copyright holder's right to impose any license at all is giving software companies a legal privilege that nobody else has. Span-Filtering Code of Conduct I've had a few good comments on my suggestions for a spam filtering code of conduct. Here are the principles in brief. 1. No filtering is perfect. Make all filtered-out mail available to the user somehow; it may be legit mail. 2. Do not autoreport based on heuristics. Auto-report only mail that a human has confirmed to be spam or that is sent to a spamtrap-only address. 3. Don't block open relays unless they actually are being used to send spam. A mail server may test positive in a relaying test but have its own antispam measures. 4. Don't autochallenge new correspondents. This is about as rude as you can get and prone to causing a bandwidth-sucking challenge storm. 5. Don't make the Internet an ugly, suspicious place by conspicuously modifying behavior to hide from spam. Mike Durkin of rawbandwidth.net: http://rawbandwidth.net recently sent out the following mail to customers: As it is our policy to only apply filters to your email if you instruct us to, you'll need to visit our control panel at http://manager.rawbw.com/email if you want to turn on the filters. There are various controls to adjust the filtering action there too--you can tell it to just tag suspect spam so you can filter on your client, or to move the suspect spam into a 'filtered' mailbox on our server. If you choose to move suspect spam to the filtered mailbox, you can access it either by using an IMAP client (instead of POP) pointed to imap.rawbw.com to log in to your email, or you can also see it via our webmail client at http://webmail.rawbw.com. This should be a model spam-filtering policy for ISPs -- never take a user's mail away. Hooray for rawbandwidth.com for not letting spam fighting turn into a mail-blocking frenzy. Historic License Finally, here's an interesting historic license for you. This is from an old 5.25 floppy sleeve, and they apparently don't know what software it came with. Here's a scan of the original sleeve.: http://www.cyberden.com/cgi-bin/showsinglesleeve.cgi?dir=u&file=unknow n14.gif By opening this package, you are agreeing to be bound by the following agreement. This software product is copyrighted, and all rights are reserved by the publisher and the author. You are licensed to use the software on a single computer. You may copy and/or modify the software as needed to facilitate your use of it on a single computer. Making copies of the software for any other purpose is a violation of the United States copyright laws. This software is sold AS IS without warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, including but not limited to the implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose. Neither the publisher nor its dealers or distributors assumes any liability for any alleged or actual damages arising from the use of this program. (Some states do not allow the exclusion of implied warranties, so this exclusion may not apply to you.) -- Don Marti: mailto:dmarti@ssc.com _________________________________________________________________ To remove yourself from this list, see www.ssc.com/mailing-lists: http://www.ssc.com/mailing-lists. _________________________________________________________________ From conda1212 at earthlink.net Fri Jul 5 15:21:00 2002 From: conda1212 at earthlink.net (Bob Pace) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Re: RH 7.2 Modem problems Message-ID: <3D261BCC.A96D378C@earthlink.net> Sirs, I am having problems with RH 7.2 reading my modem. I am using the KDE platform. I have a "Winmodem" that is installed on the board, however, I am using a US Robotics external modem. RH is only recognizing the Winmodem, and is not recognizing the external modem. I have gone into Hardware search, however, RH still only recognizes the Winmodem, which doesn't work with Linux. I have gone through this problem before, but I forgot how I fixed it. HELP! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! Kind Regards, Bob Pace From don at truedisk.com Fri Jul 5 15:31:35 2002 From: don at truedisk.com (Don Buchholz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Bounces copied to Postmaster References: <3D260A54.5F48C216@computer-arts.net> Message-ID: <3D261E47.85186D38@truedisk.com> Mike Witt wrote: > > When mail is sent to non existing users, the bounces get copied > to Postmaster. Once upon a time this was useful. But now-a-days > this mail is 99.9% spammers just randomly trying addresses. > > Two questions: > > 1) Can someone tell me how to configure (sendmail?) not to copy > postmaster specifically on mail to users that don't exist. > (Or point me in the general direction of the right documentation) > > 2) Does anybody see a downside to doing this. > > -Mike > #1) My sendmail.cf file has these lines in it. # who (if anyone) should get extra copies of error messages #O PostmasterCopy=Postmaster If your's has the option activated, maybe that's all that really needs to be changed. Now, I know we're also not supposed to edit sendmail.cf directly anymore. There's some 'sendmail.mc' (I think) which is supposed to be changed, m4'd, and then a new sendmail.cf is cranked out. Caveat! I'm not really doing much with mail. (Just being lazy and letting EasyStreet deal with spam rejection, virus scanning, etc.) #2) No downside ... unless you have correspondents who just can't seem to get your address right, and aren't of mind to learn how to do it right. - Don From m at netpro.to Fri Jul 5 15:38:17 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Bounces copied to Postmaster In-Reply-To: <3D261E47.85186D38@truedisk.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Don Buchholz wrote: > Now, I know we're also not supposed to edit sendmail.cf directly > anymore. Actually, I think we're not suppose to use Sendmail anymore. Ha! Heh... yeah, anyway, moving right along... From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Jul 5 16:25:42 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Keyboard for a linux workstation Message-ID: My well-used Gateway-2000 keyboard is losing the spacebar function. This started yesterday and pulling a pound of dust and dog fur out of the keyboard hasn't completely fixed the problem. Of course, I've been using this keyboard for about five years now, and I really, really like the function keys on the left side and the ctrl key just to the left of the 'a' key. Does anyone know of a locally-available keyboard that works this way? Twenty years of working on this keyboard layout makes it much more productive for me. Thanks, Rich Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM) 2404 SW 22nd Street | Troutdale, OR 97060-1247 | U.S.A. + 1 503-667-4517 (voice) | + 1 503-667-8863 (fax) | rshepard@appl-ecosys.com http://www.appl-ecosys.com From mike at computer-arts.net Fri Jul 5 17:20:23 2002 From: mike at computer-arts.net (Mike Witt) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Bounces copied to Postmaster References: <3D260A54.5F48C216@computer-arts.net> Message-ID: <3D2637C7.7A5A46A@computer-arts.net> Don Buchholz wrote: > > #1) My sendmail.cf file has these lines in it. > > # who (if anyone) should get extra copies of error messages > #O PostmasterCopy=Postmaster > > If your's has the option activated, maybe that's all that really > needs to be changed. Those lines are commented out in my config also. Also commented out: #O DoubleBounceAddress=postmaster Hmmm... it looks like DoubleBounceAddress defaults to postmaster if it's not set. But these's aren't double bounces that I'm worrying about at the moment. I'm looking at "THE WHOLE SCOOP ON THE CONFIGURATION FILE" (http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/doc8.9/op-sh-5.html) and I'm not finding anything that controls these incoming errors. But I could easily be missing it :-) -Mike From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Jul 5 17:51:19 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:54 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Keyboard for a linux workstation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > My well-used Gateway-2000 keyboard is losing the spacebar function. This > started yesterday and pulling a pound of dust and dog fur out of the > keyboard hasn't completely fixed the problem. Of course, I've been using > this keyboard for about five years now, and I really, really like the > function keys on the left side and the ctrl key just to the left of the 'a' > key. I can respond to my own post. First, the 142-key board is made by Adesso; back in 1996 they cost me $50 each. Now they're $120 each -- or higher. Second, as I think about my keyboarding, I realize that it was primarily WordPerfect that makes heavy use of the function keys. Other than moving from desktop to desktop in Xfce, I don't think that many -- if any at all -- applications in linux use the function keys. The console apps use ctrl- or meta/alt- and the GUI apps use the alt key or the menus via the trackball. Perhaps I should get a happy hacker keyboard for my linux use. Any and all suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rich From creelan at engr.orst.edu Fri Jul 5 18:08:23 2002 From: creelan at engr.orst.edu (Tyler F. Creelan) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Keyboard for a linux workstation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Does anyone know of a locally-available keyboard that works this way? If a good keyboard doesn't turn up, one solution is to remap your keyboard, for example using xmodmap (/usr/bin/X11/xmodmap). This way the keys are in your favorite positions regardless of the underlying hardware. For example, I prefer having ctrl in both the middle and lower positions, with caps lock eliminated. This can be done using xmodmap with the command: xmodmap -e "remove Lock = Caps_Lock" -e "remove Control = Control_L" -e "keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L"-e "add Lock = Caps_Lock" -e "add Control = Control_L" or (more legibly) you can script this in a file: remove Lock = Caps_Lock remove Control = Control_L keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L add Lock = Caps_Lock add Control = Control_L Xmodmap can also be used for mapping "Meta" to "Alt", if you're an emacs user: xmodmap -e "keysym Alt_L = Meta_L Alt_L" While xmodmap is good for experimenting, the bindings don't work outside of X, so ultimately you'll want to create a customized kmap file, these are stored in /usr/share/keymaps under linux, and are run using 'loadkeys'. Hope this helps, Tyler On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > My well-used Gateway-2000 keyboard is losing the spacebar function. This > started yesterday and pulling a pound of dust and dog fur out of the > keyboard hasn't completely fixed the problem. Of course, I've been using > this keyboard for about five years now, and I really, really like the > function keys on the left side and the ctrl key just to the left of the 'a' > key. > > Does anyone know of a locally-available keyboard that works this way? > Twenty years of working on this keyboard layout makes it much more > productive for me. > > Thanks, > > Rich > > Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President > > Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM) > 2404 SW 22nd Street | Troutdale, OR 97060-1247 | U.S.A. > + 1 503-667-4517 (voice) | + 1 503-667-8863 (fax) | rshepard@appl-ecosys.com > http://www.appl-ecosys.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From seniorr at aracnet.com Fri Jul 5 18:10:47 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Keyboard for a linux workstation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <864rfdk6eg.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Rich" == Rich Shepard writes: Rich> [...] Of course, I've been using this keyboard for about five Rich> years now, and I really, really like the function keys on the Rich> left side and the ctrl key just to the left of the 'a' key. Rich> Does anyone know of a locally-available keyboard that works Rich> this way? You can remap the key to be whatever you want. I personally remap it to tab, which makes command completion easier. I have found that I just never need caps lock. If the little words printed on the keyboard bother you, cover them with a little piece of tape or something... but you really shouldn't be looking at your hands anyway. ;-) See xkeycaps, for example. There is a non-X11 equivalent too, but I don't remember it, off hand. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Jul 5 18:16:28 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Keyboard for a linux workstation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Tyler F. Creelan wrote: > If a good keyboard doesn't turn up, one solution is to remap your > keyboard, for example using xmodmap (/usr/bin/X11/xmodmap). This way the > keys are in your favorite positions regardless of the underlying hardware. Thanks, Tyler. I've used xmodmap to augment the keyboard programming. Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Jul 5 18:18:48 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Keyboard for a linux workstation In-Reply-To: <864rfdk6eg.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: On 5 Jul 2002, Russell Senior wrote: > You can remap the key to be whatever you want. I personally remap it to > tab, which makes command completion easier. I have found that I just > never need caps lock. If the little words printed on the keyboard bother > you, cover them with a little piece of tape or something... but you really > shouldn't be looking at your hands anyway. ;-) I've used the keyboard's programming, xmodmaps and loadkeys. And most of the markings on the keys are pretty well worn off by now. I guess that 5-6 years of use is long for a keyboard. The Happy Hacking 2 keyboard is attactive, but it's still rather pricey. Thanks, Rich From rseymour at spamcop.net Fri Jul 5 18:48:40 2002 From: rseymour at spamcop.net (Richard Seymour) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Keyboard for a linux workstation References: Message-ID: <3D264C78.3070805@spamcop.net> Rich Shepard wrote: > Does anyone know of a locally-available keyboard that works this way? > Twenty years of working on this keyboard layout makes it much more > productive for me. FREE GEEK has several hundred used and tested keyboards available for about a dollar and a little time digging through the keyboard boxes. There's got to be something there that works the way you want it. Not open until noon on Tuesday due to the holiday, though. -- Oil can what? ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Richard Seymour, the Man Behind the Curtain CHEEP GEEKS Anarchy Software FREE GEEK From creelan at engr.orst.edu Fri Jul 5 18:52:21 2002 From: creelan at engr.orst.edu (Tyler F. Creelan) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] more vs. less -- random discoveries In-Reply-To: <864rfdk6eg.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: For a while now I've used more instead of less because 'less' clears my terminal screen upon quitting. I just discovered this can be prevented using 'less -X': another convenience is having less quit at the end of a file like more: 'less -E'. If you use 'less' as your output processor for the man pages, the options can be specified using: alias man='man --pager="less -XE"' However, this doesn't seem to work on solaris systems, so you might have to test the version. This can be done using a 'gnutest' function, ie: gnutest() { $1 --version 2> /dev/null } if [ "$(gnutest man)" ]; then alias man='man --pager="less -XE"' fi less also can be tested for what options it supports: if [ $(less --version | grep "^less [0-9]" | tr -d "less ") -ge 374 ]; then alias less="less -XE -options --status-column --hilite-search " else alias less="less -XE " fi alias more='less' alias m='more' Anyway, I just had to share that after putting up with 'more' for so long... ;) Tyler From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Jul 5 18:58:56 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Keyboard for a linux workstation In-Reply-To: <3D264C78.3070805@spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Richard Seymour wrote: > FREE GEEK has several hundred used and tested keyboards available for > about a dollar and a little time digging through the keyboard boxes. > There's got to be something there that works the way you want it. > > Not open until noon on Tuesday due to the holiday, though. Thanks, Richard. I won't be in town Monday or Tuesday, but I'll keep this in mind. I have an old, 84-key board that I use with the floppyfw when I need to reboot it. I can always use that, I suppose, as long as the plugs match. :-) Rich From mark at mjbynum.org Fri Jul 5 19:19:42 2002 From: mark at mjbynum.org (Mark Bynum) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] more vs. less -- random discoveries In-Reply-To: References: <864rfdk6eg.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <20020705191942.A93549@agora.rdrop.com> On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 06:52:21PM -0700, Tyler F. Creelan wrote: > For a while now I've used more instead of less because 'less' clears my > terminal screen upon quitting. I just discovered this can be prevented > using 'less -X': another convenience is having less quit at the end of a > file like more: 'less -E'. > > If you use 'less' as your output processor for the man pages, the options > can be specified using: > > alias man='man --pager="less -XE"' > > However, this doesn't seem to work on solaris systems, so you might have > to test the version. This can be done using a 'gnutest' function, ie: Easier: LESS="-XE"; export LESS PAGER="path/to/less"; export PAGER Sets it everytime. I believe I do something like LESS="Eiqs" for my less variable. I do this in my login files. Mark From seniorr at aracnet.com Fri Jul 5 19:41:31 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] more vs. less -- random discoveries In-Reply-To: <20020705191942.A93549@agora.rdrop.com> References: <864rfdk6eg.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <20020705191942.A93549@agora.rdrop.com> Message-ID: <86y9cpinms.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Mark" == Mark Bynum writes: Mark> Easier: Mark> LESS="-XE"; export LESS PAGER="path/to/less"; export PAGER Or _even_ easier: export LESS="-XE" export PAGER="/path/to/less" ... or salt to taste on systems that provide different "less" features. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From n6jpa at attbi.com Fri Jul 5 21:46:41 2002 From: n6jpa at attbi.com (Keith) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Re: RH 7.2 Modem problems In-Reply-To: <3D261BCC.A96D378C@earthlink.net> References: <3D261BCC.A96D378C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200207052146.41923.n6jpa@attbi.com> On Friday 05 July 2002 03:21 pm, Bob Pace wrote: > Sirs, I am having problems with RH 7.2 reading my modem. I am using the > KDE platform. I have a "Winmodem" that is installed on the board, > however, I am using a US Robotics external modem. RH is only > recognizing the Winmodem, and is not recognizing the external modem. I > have gone into Hardware search, however, RH still only recognizes the > Winmodem, which doesn't work with Linux. I have gone through this > problem before, but I forgot how I fixed it. HELP! Any assistance > would be greatly appreciated! Set the modem settings to go to the /dev/ttyS# where the /dev is determined by the i/o port. If the modem is connected to serial port # 1 then it is /dev/ttyS0 serial port #2 /dev/ttyS1 Serial port #3 /dev/ttyS2 Serial port #4 /dev/ttyS3 -- Best Regards, Keith NW Oregon Radio http://n6jpa.home.attbi.com/ Church of the Bourne Again Shell. Tux, Save us from the evil Gates of Hell! http://linux.com http://freebsd.org http://apple.com From jon at manymoons.net Sat Jul 6 07:00:00 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WiFi Recommendation Message-ID: <1025964000.25466.98.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Okay, after a week of combing the town, I cannot find a place to go to around town that has non-wireless access. So, I am thinking I just bite the bullet and get a pcmcia card for my laptop and a hub for my home. My first question is what do people recommend? My second is have your experiences been good? Is it easy enough to use linux to connect anywhere around I can find a wifi bubble? From bspears at easystreet.com Sat Jul 6 10:38:22 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] USB and /dev/usb/lp0 Message-ID: <200207061728.g66HSI609757@smtp.easystreet.com> OK, I have Woody up and running, and now I'd like to get a printer working. I thought I'd give a USB printer a chance. I've done the following to isolate the problem: #cat tempfile > /dev/usb/lp0 gives: No such device I've given the command: #modprobe usb-ohci and checked with #lsmod to find that both usb-ohci usbcore are loaded. I don't know what to try next. From crisponions at attbi.com Sat Jul 6 11:18:40 2002 From: crisponions at attbi.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] X configuring Message-ID: <000e01c22519$8e120170$0600a8c0@crisponions.com> I recently threw RH 7.3 on an old computer I had laying around and I am having a hard time getting X 4.2 to work. I am using a 4mb s3 virge card, but when I run Xconfigurator it probes the card and quits. When I try to startx it says it can't find the XF86_SVGA server. How can I go about installing this server or are my links bad? Being a newbie I am kind of lost. Thanks Dave P -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/attachments/20020706/eeb712e8/attachment.htm From judah at opusnet.com Sat Jul 6 11:21:26 2002 From: judah at opusnet.com (Aaron Baer) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WiFi Recommendation In-Reply-To: <1025964000.25466.98.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <1025964000.25466.98.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <1025979688.13030.6.camel@laptop> On Sat, 2002-07-06 at 07:00, Jon Jacob wrote: > Okay, after a week of combing the town, I cannot find a place to go to > around town that has non-wireless access. > > So, I am thinking I just bite the bullet and get a pcmcia card for my > laptop and a hub for my home. Sounds like a good idea to me. Check out http://www.personaltelco.net for great information regarding wireless networking. And you might even be interested in setting up a NoCat box (firewall and authentication trap(open mode for public access)) and becoming a Public Node. > > My first question is what do people recommend? > Something with the Prism2 chipset will provide you with the most options. Again you can get some good references at the site above. Most all cards will work under Linux. Those with the prism2 chipset will a low you to put your card and Linux machine into AP mode. However if you only plan on having you machine in client mode this doesn't matter as much and the Cisco and Orinoco cards will work fine. > My second is have your experiences been good? Yes. Very Very good. Is it easy enough to use > linux to connect anywhere around I can find a wifi bubble? > Again, Yes. There is yet to be a nice software front end for changing your wireless settings but it's very contained and easy to learn which files will be modified to set you wi-fi settings and tools like iwconfig. A- -- ---- Aaron Baer judah@opusnet.com http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/ From jon at manymoons.net Sat Jul 6 11:33:31 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WiFi Recommendation In-Reply-To: <1025979688.13030.6.camel@laptop> References: <1025964000.25466.98.camel@lana.manymoons.net> <1025979688.13030.6.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1025980572.21222.118.camel@lana.manymoons.net> I just ran across that. Don't know how I missed it before. Sounds like RH7.2 is kind of a pain with the wireless pcmcia card, though. Has anybody had any experience with this, and is RH7.3 any better? On Sat, 2002-07-06 at 11:21, Aaron Baer wrote: > On Sat, 2002-07-06 at 07:00, Jon Jacob wrote: > > Okay, after a week of combing the town, I cannot find a place to go to > > around town that has non-wireless access. > > > > So, I am thinking I just bite the bullet and get a pcmcia card for my > > laptop and a hub for my home. > > Sounds like a good idea to me. Check out http://www.personaltelco.net > for great information regarding wireless networking. And you might even > be interested in setting up a NoCat box (firewall and authentication > trap(open mode for public access)) and becoming a Public Node. > > > > > My first question is what do people recommend? > > > > Something with the Prism2 chipset will provide you with the most > options. Again you can get some good references at the site above. Most > all cards will work under Linux. Those with the prism2 chipset will a > low you to put your card and Linux machine into AP mode. However if you > only plan on having you machine in client mode this doesn't matter as > much and the Cisco and Orinoco cards will work fine. > > > My second is have your experiences been good? > > Yes. Very Very good. > > Is it easy enough to use > > linux to connect anywhere around I can find a wifi bubble? > > > > Again, Yes. There is yet to be a nice software front end for changing > your wireless settings but it's very contained and easy to learn which > files will be modified to set you wi-fi settings and tools like > iwconfig. > > A- > > -- > ---- > Aaron Baer > judah@opusnet.com > http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/ > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From jeme at brelin.net Sat Jul 6 11:59:41 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] X configuring In-Reply-To: <000e01c22519$8e120170$0600a8c0@crisponions.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Dave Phillips wrote: > I recently threw RH 7.3 on an old computer I had laying around and I > am having a hard time getting X 4.2 to work. I am using a 4mb s3 > virge card, but when I run Xconfigurator it probes the card and quits. > When I try to startx it says it can't find the XF86_SVGA server. > How can I go about installing this server or are my links bad? There's only one X server in Xfree86 > 4. You just want to make sure that you have a Device section in your XF86Config that reads: Driver "s3" If this is a fresh install, then you're either not running XFree 4 or you've got some mixed packages or bad config files. > Being a newbie I am kind of lost. Totally understandable, though. The changes between XFree 3 and 4 were pretty confusing. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From rsteff at attbi.com Sat Jul 6 12:03:14 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations Message-ID: <3D273EF2.E34AEF55@attbi.com> Mom likes to print all her e-mail and read it from paper instead of the screen. Because of this, she goes through a lot of ink (using a Canon BJ-100, I think). She doesn't need really high quality output; just good enough to read. It occurred to me that ribbons seemed to last a lot longer than ink cartridges, so I'm thinking about finding a small footprint unit (like the old Pro-Printer). Does anyone have recent experience with ribbon printers? Are there any common ones for which ribbons are more easily obtained? Does anyone have any other printer recommendations, with the primary consideration being cheap operation? -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From mikedela at ipns.com Sat Jul 6 12:09:07 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations In-Reply-To: <3D273EF2.E34AEF55@attbi.com> References: <3D273EF2.E34AEF55@attbi.com> Message-ID: <200207061909.g66J99V03111@localhost.localdomain> Nothing's cheaper to operate than a laser. I've got mixed feelings about the botom end HP, but they seem to work fine for some people. There are lots of used older lasers out there, too. The Laseret II and III were pretty useable, too. Mike On Saturday 06 July 2002 12:03 pm, you wrote: > Mom likes to print all her e-mail and read it from paper instead of the > screen. Because of this, she goes through a lot of ink (using a Canon > BJ-100, I think). She doesn't need really high quality output; just good > enough to read. It occurred to me that ribbons seemed to last a lot > longer than ink cartridges, so I'm thinking about finding a small > footprint unit (like the old Pro-Printer). > > Does anyone have recent experience with ribbon printers? Are there any > common ones for which ribbons are more easily obtained? Does anyone have > any other printer recommendations, with the primary consideration being > cheap operation? -- Mike De La Mater KMail on Red Hat 7.2 From n6jpa at attbi.com Sat Jul 6 12:22:06 2002 From: n6jpa at attbi.com (Keith) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] X configuring In-Reply-To: <000e01c22519$8e120170$0600a8c0@crisponions.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Dave Phillips wrote: > I recently threw RH 7.3 on an old computer I had laying around and I am > having a hard time getting X 4.2 to work. I am using a 4mb s3 virge card, > but when I run Xconfigurator it probes the card and quits. When I try to > startx it says it can't find the XF86_SVGA server. How can I go about > installing this server or are my links bad? Being a newbie I am kind of > lost. Thanks Dave P > Install the XF86_SVGA package from the 3rd RedHat CD-ROM. rpm -i XFree86-SVGA-3.3.6-44.i386.rpm -- Best Regards, Keith NW Oregon Radio http://n6jpa.home.attbi.com/ Church of the Bourne Again Shell. Tux, Save us from the evil Gates of Hell! http://linux.com http://freebsd.org http://apple.com From dealy at deatech.com Sat Jul 6 13:08:48 2002 From: dealy at deatech.com (Shannon C. Dealy) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] USB and /dev/usb/lp0 In-Reply-To: <200207061728.g66HSI609757@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Bill Spears wrote: > OK, I have Woody up and running, and now I'd like to get a printer working. > I thought I'd give a USB printer a chance. > > I've done the following to isolate the problem: > #cat tempfile > /dev/usb/lp0 > gives: No such device > > I've given the command: > #modprobe usb-ohci > and checked with > #lsmod > to find that both > usb-ohci > usbcore > are loaded. > > I don't know what to try next. It's been a few months since I setup my USB printer (also under woody), but one question comes to mind, is the USB printer driver (coincidentally named "printer" :-) installed? Shannon C. Dealy | DeaTech Research Inc. dealy@deatech.com | - Custom Software Development - | Embedded Systems, Real-time, Device Drivers Phone: (800) 467-5820 | Networking, Scientific & Engineering Applications or: (541) 451-5177 | www.deatech.com From rsteff at attbi.com Sat Jul 6 13:25:11 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations References: <3D273EF2.E34AEF55@attbi.com> <200207061909.g66J99V03111@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3D275227.22DC7DED@attbi.com> Mike De La Mater wrote: > Nothing's cheaper to operate than a laser. Interesting. I've always thought of the replacement toner cartridges being pretty expensive, and then there's the drum, when it goes. That's why I was thinking about ribbon printers. I had Epson 9-pin printers for years and never wore one out. The only replacement item was the ribbon, and ribbons are relatively cheap. > I've got mixed feelings about the > botom end HP, but they seem to work fine for some people. There are lots of > used older lasers out there, too. The Laseret II and III were pretty useable, > too. I've used an HP 6p before. It was pretty reliable, but replacment toner cartridges weren't cheap. Part of the problem is that Mom prints at 16 pt, bold, to make it easier to read. That tends to use up ink faster than 12 pt regular. Thanks for the idea. I'll do some more research into lasers. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From bspears at easystreet.com Sat Jul 6 13:38:57 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] USB and /dev/usb/lp0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200207062028.g66KSr608474@smtp.easystreet.com> On Saturday 06 July 2002 01:08 pm, you wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Bill Spears wrote: > > OK, I have Woody up and running, and now I'd like to get a printer > > working. I thought I'd give a USB printer a chance. > > > > I've done the following to isolate the problem: > > #cat tempfile > /dev/usb/lp0 > > gives: No such device > > > > I've given the command: > > #modprobe usb-ohci > > and checked with > > #lsmod > > to find that both > > usb-ohci > > usbcore > > are loaded. > > > > I don't know what to try next. > > It's been a few months since I setup my USB printer (also under woody), > but one question comes to mind, is the USB printer driver (coincidentally > named "printer" :-) installed? > > Shannon C. Dealy | DeaTech Research Inc. > dealy@deatech.com | - Custom Software Development - > > I installed using the web admin. Shouldn't /dev/usb/lp0 be a device anyway? Is 'printer' an alias for a module? How do I check to see if it's installed? From bspears at easystreet.com Sat Jul 6 13:45:57 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] USB and /dev/usb/lp0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200207062035.g66KZr611867@smtp.easystreet.com> On Saturday 06 July 2002 01:08 pm, you wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Bill Spears wrote: > > OK, I have Woody up and running, and now I'd like to get a printer > > working. I thought I'd give a USB printer a chance. > > > > I've done the following to isolate the problem: > > #cat tempfile > /dev/usb/lp0 > > gives: No such device > > > > I've given the command: > > #modprobe usb-ohci > > and checked with > > #lsmod > > to find that both > > usb-ohci > > usbcore > > are loaded. > > > > I don't know what to try next. > > It's been a few months since I setup my USB printer (also under woody), > but one question comes to mind, is the USB printer driver (coincidentally > named "printer" :-) installed? > > Shannon C. Dealy | DeaTech Research Inc. > dealy@deatech.com | - Custom Software Development - > > Whoa, Momma, modprobe printer fixed it, or atleast cat tempfile > /dev/usb/lp0 works now. From dealy at deatech.com Sat Jul 6 13:43:07 2002 From: dealy at deatech.com (Shannon C. Dealy) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] USB and /dev/usb/lp0 In-Reply-To: <200207062028.g66KSr608474@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Bill Spears wrote: > On Saturday 06 July 2002 01:08 pm, you wrote: > > > > It's been a few months since I setup my USB printer (also under woody), > > but one question comes to mind, is the USB printer driver (coincidentally > > named "printer" :-) installed? > > > > Shannon C. Dealy | DeaTech Research Inc. > > dealy@deatech.com | - Custom Software Development - > > > > > I installed using the web admin. Shouldn't /dev/usb/lp0 be a device anyway? > Is 'printer' an alias for a module? > How do I check to see if it's installed? "printer" is a module, so lsmod should tell you if it is installed. /dev/usb/lp0 is a device file which (like all the devices under the /dev directory) is simply an interface point between the device driver and the file system to allow general access to the device as though it were a file. The fact that the device exists in the file system, does not mean that the underlying driver which it provides access to is installed. Shannon C. Dealy | DeaTech Research Inc. dealy@deatech.com | - Custom Software Development - | Embedded Systems, Real-time, Device Drivers Phone: (800) 467-5820 | Networking, Scientific & Engineering Applications or: (541) 451-5177 | www.deatech.com From bspears at easystreet.com Sat Jul 6 14:16:35 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] USB and /dev/usb/lp0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200207062106.g66L6U626281@smtp.easystreet.com> On Saturday 06 July 2002 01:43 pm, you wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Bill Spears wrote: > > On Saturday 06 July 2002 01:08 pm, you wrote: > > > It's been a few months since I setup my USB printer (also under woody), > > > but one question comes to mind, is the USB printer driver > > > (coincidentally named "printer" :-) installed? > > > > > > Shannon C. Dealy | DeaTech Research Inc. > > > dealy@deatech.com | - Custom Software Development - > > > > I installed using the web admin. Shouldn't /dev/usb/lp0 be a device > > anyway? Is 'printer' an alias for a module? > > How do I check to see if it's installed? > > "printer" is a module, so lsmod should tell you if it is installed. > /dev/usb/lp0 is a device file which (like all the devices under the /dev > directory) is simply an interface point between the device driver and the > file system to allow general access to the device as though it were a > file. The fact that the device exists in the file system, does not mean > that the underlying driver which it provides access to is installed. > > Shannon C. Dealy | DeaTech Research Inc. > dealy@deatech.com | - Custom Software Development - > You were right 'printer' is all it took. Many thanks. >From your sig, you might be a good guy to explain this. I can see that /dev/foo is kind of like a place holder. In my case, I could have made mine by mknod /dev/usb/lp0 c 180 0. How does the rest of the system connect to this dev. Are the major,minor nos. in the driver code? And I needed both usb-ohci and printer. How does that work? They're not dependent on each other as modules are they? > | Embedded Systems, Real-time, Device Drivers > > Phone: (800) 467-5820 | Networking, Scientific & Engineering Applications > or: (541) 451-5177 | www.deatech.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From heinlein at attbi.com Sat Jul 6 15:09:56 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations In-Reply-To: <200207061909.g66J99V03111@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Mike De La Mater wrote: > Nothing's cheaper to operate than a laser. I've got mixed feelings > about the botom end HP, but they seem to work fine for some people. > There are lots of used older lasers out there, too. The Laseret II > and III were pretty useable, too. I've had my HP LaserJet IIIp for, oh, a decade now and have never, ever had any trouble with it. Toner's widely available and relatively inexpensive. Just make sure you bump up the printer's memory to its max (2 MB). --Paul Heinlein From sandbox at pacifier.com Sat Jul 6 15:24:48 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations References: Message-ID: <3D276E30.9040300@pacifier.com> Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Mike De La Mater wrote: > > >>Nothing's cheaper to operate than a laser. I've got mixed feelings >>about the botom end HP, but they seem to work fine for some people. >>There are lots of used older lasers out there, too. The Laseret II >>and III were pretty useable, too. > > > I've had my HP LaserJet IIIp for, oh, a decade now and have never, > ever had any trouble with it. Toner's widely available and relatively > inexpensive. Just make sure you bump up the printer's memory to its > max (2 MB). Don't laser printers gobble electrons? I'd vote for a 9-pin epson where the extra noise isn't a big problem. It's been a while--you might want to check ribbon availability. -- Kyle Accardi From rsteff at attbi.com Sat Jul 6 15:24:48 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations References: Message-ID: <3D276E30.91D5760E@attbi.com> Paul Heinlein wrote: > I've had my HP LaserJet IIIp for, oh, a decade now and have never, > ever had any trouble with it. Toner's widely available and relatively > inexpensive. Just make sure you bump up the printer's memory to its > max (2 MB). Sounds like I've been practicing false economy. I'd better check further into lasers. Thanks. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From rsteff at attbi.com Sat Jul 6 15:35:07 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations References: <3D276E30.9040300@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <3D27709B.C13D02D5@attbi.com> Kyle Accardi wrote: > Don't laser printers gobble electrons? I'd vote for a 9-pin epson where the > extra noise isn't a big problem. I also had good experiences with Okidata printers. The 320 Turbo is still in production, but I don't want to spend around $300! > It's been a while--you might want to check ribbon availability. I checked on the Office Depot web site and found tons of ribbon printers supported. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From dealy at deatech.com Sat Jul 6 16:05:20 2002 From: dealy at deatech.com (Shannon C. Dealy) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] USB and /dev/usb/lp0 In-Reply-To: <200207062106.g66L6U626281@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Bill Spears wrote: [snip] > You were right 'printer' is all it took. > Many thanks. You're welcome. > >From your sig, you might be a good guy to explain this. > I can see that /dev/foo is kind of like a place holder. In my case, I could > have made mine by mknod /dev/usb/lp0 c 180 0. > How does the rest of the system connect to this dev By rest of the system, I assume you mean application software? UNIX/Linux systems generally take the approach of making everything look like a file, so for application code, it simply uses a standard "open" subroutine call to open the device just like any other file (the kernel uses the major device ID to map the "open" to the correct driver), and the data is read/written the same as it would be for any other file. For handling specialized I/O needs which are device specific (or in some cases specialized extended file operations for regular files), there is a standard function "ioctl" which is called to perform these operations on the device/file, though since the needs of each device are generally different, there is only limited standardization of the functionality of commands issued using ioctl. There have been various attempts over the years to pull out standard functionality from ioctl in order to make software more generic and portable, but it has had only limited success. > Are the major,minor nos. in the driver code? Yes, sort of. For most standard devices, there is a predefined major device number which is hard coded (usually as a #define in a header file) into the device driver, and the mapping to the device driver comes not from the file name of the device file, but from it's major and minor device numbers. The minor device number is just passed to the device driver that corresponds to the major devices number, and is typically used to denote which device, since the same driver may be used for a number of different devices in a particular class (such as serial ports). While this is typical use for the minor number, it's use is actually undefined and it can be used for any purpose. Just for the sake of muddying the waters :-) non-standard/custom devices can dynamically allocate their major device numbers at run time, and the devfs file system introduced with the 2.4 kernels I believe intends to make all major device numbers as well as the device files themselves, dynamically created (and destroyed) at run time. I have only glanced over this stuff so I don't really know any details, since no one has hired me to do a Linux device driver so far, and I haven't had any reasons to modify or create any Linux device drivers on my own for several years. > And I needed both usb-ohci and printer. How does that work? They're not > dependent on each other as modules are they? [snip] Without taking the time to look at this specific case (i.e. I may be wrong on some technicality, but overall this should be correct :-) printer is probably dependent on usb-ohci, the printer driver is specifically a USB printer driver, so it needs a USB interface to provide it's communication link to the printer in order to do anything, and this functionality would be provided by the usb-ohci driver. Of course this doesn't work both ways, there is no reason for the usb-ohci module to depend on the printer module, since it doesn't really care what devices are out on the bus, it simply provides the communication channel to them. A quick look at my own system does show that usb-ohci is dependent on usbcore however, which is a common set of USB related subroutines that most USB drivers would likely need. Shannon C. Dealy | DeaTech Research Inc. dealy@deatech.com | - Custom Software Development - | Embedded Systems, Real-time, Device Drivers Phone: (800) 467-5820 | Networking, Scientific & Engineering Applications or: (541) 451-5177 | www.deatech.com From dbridges at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 6 16:27:02 2002 From: dbridges at austin.rr.com (David Bridges) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations In-Reply-To: <3D273EF2.E34AEF55@attbi.com> References: <3D273EF2.E34AEF55@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020706232702.GA7687@austin.rr.com> I've had great luck with Citizen printers. The ribbons last a long time and are usually $8 or less. > Does anyone have recent experience with ribbon printers? Are there any > common ones for which ribbons are more easily obtained? Does anyone have > any other printer recommendations, with the primary consideration being > cheap operation? From dealy at deatech.com Sat Jul 6 16:40:15 2002 From: dealy at deatech.com (Shannon C. Dealy) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations In-Reply-To: <3D276E30.9040300@pacifier.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Kyle Accardi wrote: [snip] > > Don't laser printers gobble electrons? I'd vote for a 9-pin epson where the > extra noise isn't a big problem. It's been a while--you might want to check > ribbon availability. [snip] One place that most people don't think to check when figuring the true cost per page, is the rated life of the printer itself (expressed in number of pages printed -- usually in the fine print). Most (but not all) inkjet printers have a pagelife rating of between 3,000 and 10,000 pages, 5,000 seemed to be typical when I was looking, which would increase the cost per page by $0.02 for a $100 printer. My experience with pin printers (when I used them) was that they didn't do much better than the 5,000 to 10,000 page range before developing print head problems, and once the printer was out of warranty, it cost as much to get a new print head installed as it did to buy a new printer. I also did some looking at laser printers recently and was surprized to find at least one that had a page life rating in the under 10,000 range (unfortunately I don't remember the brand, though it was about the cheapest laser I found). As far as lasers gobbling power, any good one will do a much better job these days than they used to, going into a low power standby state after it has been idle for a few minutes, and generally the peak power the draw when first starting up is much lower as well, but this is something to consider as well since it varies alot from printer to printer. I would highly recommend spending some time at: www.linuxprinting.org since this will tell you how well supported various printers are under linux, as well as giving recommendations for various types of printers. There are also some sites out there that give the cost per page for printing on a variety of printers (though I don't think most of them take into account the cost of the printer and rated life). FWIW, I went with the Epson Stylus C80 inkjet, it cost about $150, has one of the lowest costs per page for inkjet printers, is one of the fastest inkjets, the ink is waterproof, at the time I bought it was listed as the best supported color inkjet under Linux, and has a 70,000 page rated life! Of course there are some down sides (according to the reviews -- I have no complaints so far): it's printing isn't as sharp as many other ink jets, the print head is not part of the cartridges so if there is a problem with the head, it means sending it in for service rather than simply replacing the cartridges, and the ink does have a rather limited shelf life as well as life in the printer, so if it isn't used within a certain time frame (something like six months to a year), you may have to throw it out. There were some complaints on line about failures and poor service, but they didn't seem excessive to me, and these days I think if you don't find complaints about a product on line, it probably means it isn't shipping yet. :-) Shannon C. Dealy | DeaTech Research Inc. dealy@deatech.com | - Custom Software Development - | Embedded Systems, Real-time, Device Drivers Phone: (800) 467-5820 | Networking, Scientific & Engineering Applications or: (541) 451-5177 | www.deatech.com From alex at daniloff.com Sat Jul 6 17:20:18 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02070617201800.07466@gate> Well, cost per page and the gross printer cost depends on how much you print, how much catriges cost and if you perform periodic maintenance on your printer or not. On Saturday 06 July 2002 04:40 pm, you wrote: > One place that most people don't think to check when figuring the true > cost per page, is the rated life of the printer itself (expressed in > number of pages printed -- usually in the fine print). Most (but not all) > inkjet printers have a pagelife rating of between 3,000 and 10,000 pages, > 5,000 seemed to be typical when I was looking, which would increase the > cost per page by $0.02 for a $100 printer. It is true if you just print and print without care for your printer. If once a year you flush inkjet printer printhead with an alcohol and slightly lubricate two guide rails it'll serve you up to six times of what you've described here. I have 10 year old Cannon BJC 620 bubble jet printer. Which prints every day from 50 to 100 color pages of adds and flyers. Though, I don't spend any money on ink catriges (I brew color and black inks by myself), the cost per page is almost 0; > My experience with pin > printers (when I used them) was that they didn't do much better than the > 5,000 to 10,000 page range before developing print head problems Again, it's true if you don't do periodic maintenance to your matrix pin printer. I use Epson LQ 570+ printer every day during last five years to print invoices, manuals and other non color documents. Once a month I clean and lubricate it's guide rails and gear set. Once a year I soak the working part of print head in alcohol to get rid of gunk and chunks of ribbon. Tiny drop of synthetic light oil is enough to lubricate matrix pin channels and keep them from wearing out. Recently I stopped to buy new ribbon catriges. I found the way how to recharge an old ribbon with custom brewed ink. The cost per page is almost 0; >, and once > the printer was out of warranty, it cost as much to get a new print head > installed as it did to buy a new printer. If you're not a hopless slob manufacturing warranty has no meaning to you. > I also did some looking at > laser printers recently and was surprized to find at least one that had a > page life rating in the under 10,000 range (unfortunately I don't remember > the brand, though it was about the cheapest laser I found). > Exactly the same rules of periodic cleaning and gear lubrication apply to laser jet printers. I have Brother HL1240 laser jet printer for customer documentation and manuals. It prints on average 100 pages a day during last two years. The only one thing I'm spending money on is a bottle of black toner and the drum. Everybody can recharge an empty toner catrige by yourself without paying extra money. As soon as I find the way how to make custom toner I'll cost me almost nothing to print. I found the way how to polish worn out laser drum in place to extend its life span to three times what original had. There are so many ways to save money doing very simple things. Though, you have to change you attitude from the "throw away culture" towards to "safe and reuse culture". Alex -- MS Windows users should be covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act! --------------> Try Linux and you'll understand why <-------------- From AthlonRobNF at cs.com Sat Jul 6 18:43:28 2002 From: AthlonRobNF at cs.com (AthlonRob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] USB and /dev/usb/lp0 In-Reply-To: References: <200207062106.g66L6U626281@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <20020706184328.5970bd63.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> Sorry for top posting... but I didn't want to snip that. Thanks for the explanation, Shannon! It's always good to learn something new like that. Rob On Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:05:20 -0700 (PDT) "Shannon C. Dealy" wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Bill Spears wrote: > > [snip] > > You were right 'printer' is all it took. > > Many thanks. > > You're welcome. > > > >From your sig, you might be a good guy to explain this. > > I can see that /dev/foo is kind of like a place holder. In my case, I could > > have made mine by mknod /dev/usb/lp0 c 180 0. > > > How does the rest of the system connect to this dev > > By rest of the system, I assume you mean application software? UNIX/Linux > systems generally take the approach of making everything look like a file, > so for application code, it simply uses a standard "open" subroutine call > to open the device just like any other file (the kernel uses the major > device ID to map the "open" to the correct driver), and the data is > read/written the same as it would be for any other file. For handling > specialized I/O needs which are device specific (or in some cases > specialized extended file operations for regular files), there is a > standard function "ioctl" which is called to perform these operations on > the device/file, though since the needs of each device are generally > different, there is only limited standardization of the functionality of > commands issued using ioctl. There have been various attempts over the > years to pull out standard functionality from ioctl in order to make > software more generic and portable, but it has had only limited success. > > > Are the major,minor nos. in the driver code? > > Yes, sort of. For most standard devices, there is a predefined major > device number which is hard coded (usually as a #define in a header file) > into the device driver, and the mapping to the device driver comes not > from the file name of the device file, but from it's major and minor > device numbers. The minor device number is just passed to the device > driver that corresponds to the major devices number, and is typically used > to denote which device, since the same driver may be used for a number of > different devices in a particular class (such as serial ports). While > this is typical use for the minor number, it's use is actually undefined > and it can be used for any purpose. > > Just for the sake of muddying the waters :-) non-standard/custom devices > can dynamically allocate their major device numbers at run time, and the > devfs file system introduced with the 2.4 kernels I believe intends to > make all major device numbers as well as the device files themselves, > dynamically created (and destroyed) at run time. I have only glanced over > this stuff so I don't really know any details, since no one has hired me > to do a Linux device driver so far, and I haven't had any reasons to > modify or create any Linux device drivers on my own for several years. > > > And I needed both usb-ohci and printer. How does that work? They're not > > dependent on each other as modules are they? > [snip] > > Without taking the time to look at this specific case (i.e. I may be > wrong on some technicality, but overall this should be correct :-) > printer is probably dependent on usb-ohci, the printer driver is > specifically a USB printer driver, so it needs a USB interface to > provide it's communication link to the printer in order to do anything, > and this functionality would be provided by the usb-ohci driver. Of > course this doesn't work both ways, there is no reason for the usb-ohci > module to depend on the printer module, since it doesn't really care what > devices are out on the bus, it simply provides the communication channel > to them. A quick look at my own system does show that usb-ohci is > dependent on usbcore however, which is a common set of USB related > subroutines that most USB drivers would likely need. > > > Shannon C. Dealy | DeaTech Research Inc. > dealy@deatech.com | - Custom Software Development - > | Embedded Systems, Real-time, Device Drivers > Phone: (800) 467-5820 | Networking, Scientific & Engineering Applications > or: (541) 451-5177 | www.deatech.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From aschlemm at attbi.com Sat Jul 6 19:27:37 2002 From: aschlemm at attbi.com (Anthony Schlemmer) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:55 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations In-Reply-To: <3D276E30.91D5760E@attbi.com> References: <3D276E30.91D5760E@attbi.com> Message-ID: <200207061927.37503.aschlemm@attbi.com> FWIW, I've had my HP 4P for nearly 8 years now and have not had any problems with it except having to buy a toner cartridge now and then. My wife loves to print gobs of stuff and I think I would be spending a lot more money if she was using our Lexmark Optra Color 40 inkjet printer all of the time as the cartridges aren't cheap. I know I have already spent several times the $99.00 the printer cost me at buy.com in inkjet cartriges and that figure will continue to rise. I save a few bucks by buying a two pack of Lexmark cartridges at Costco for around $52.00. The cost of one laser toner cartridge is about $70.00 and my wife goes through reams of paper before the toner cartridge is empty. I'm not sure I can even print 500 pages before an inkjet cartridge needs replacing in our inkjet printer. Tony On Saturday 06 July 2002 15:24 pm, Richard Steffens wrote: > Paul Heinlein wrote: > > I've had my HP LaserJet IIIp for, oh, a decade now and have never, > > ever had any trouble with it. Toner's widely available and > > relatively inexpensive. Just make sure you bump up the printer's > > memory to its max (2 MB). > > Sounds like I've been practicing false economy. I'd better check > further into lasers. > > Thanks. -- Anthony Schlemmer aschlemm@attbi.com From heinlein at attbi.com Sat Jul 6 19:58:21 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations In-Reply-To: <3D276E30.9040300@pacifier.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Kyle Accardi wrote: > Don't laser printers gobble electrons? Yeah, my old LJ IIp doesn't have a low-power mode like the newer lasers do -- but I can usually batch up my print jobs so that usually I just power up the printer, print my jobs, and turn the printer back off again. Granted, it's not a procedure that'll work for everyone. The problem with dot-matrix printers is that they can't be used to print the pictures that often accompany e-mail these days :-) Otherwise, other than the noise and their inherent slowness, they're fine. In fact, my first did-it-just-for-me computer program was some downloadable fonts for my Seikosha 24-pin. This was back in 1987, when softfonts were both rare and expensive. I was tired of hand-writing Greek and Hebrew stuff into my term papers, so I wrote fonts I could ship to the printer and access from within WordPerfect 4.x for DOS. My wife's family thought I was crazy, spending my Christmas break blocking out Greek and Hebrew letters on graph paper so I could figure out the byte-maps the Seikosha could understand :-) --Paul Heinlein From llywrch at agora.rdrop.com Sat Jul 6 21:27:54 2002 From: llywrch at agora.rdrop.com (Geoff Burling) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Mike De La Mater wrote: > > > Nothing's cheaper to operate than a laser. I've got mixed feelings > > about the botom end HP, but they seem to work fine for some people. > > There are lots of used older lasers out there, too. The Laseret II > > and III were pretty useable, too. > > I've had my HP LaserJet IIIp for, oh, a decade now and have never, > ever had any trouble with it. Toner's widely available and relatively > inexpensive. Just make sure you bump up the printer's memory to its > max (2 MB). > I think I have boasted about the rock-solid nature of my HP IIp+ at least once here. I'll have owned it for 10 years this December, it's burned thru about about 8 to 10 toner cartridges in it's life (two a year for the first few years, gradually down to one lasting two years) & is currently on it's second computer. (The self-test I just ran reports it has printed 38,931 pages.) And I second Paul's advice about adding as much memory as possible for one of these. And it's worth the cost of fixing it. (Which has been only twice; the first time after it had been running on a broken part for about 3 years.) I only wish printers were built to last like this one was. Geoff From sandbox at pacifier.com Sat Jul 6 22:56:45 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations References: Message-ID: <3D27D81D.5030708@pacifier.com> Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Kyle Accardi wrote: >>Don't laser printers gobble electrons? > Yeah, my old LJ IIp doesn't have a low-power mode like the newer > lasers do -- but I can usually batch up my print jobs so that usually > I just power up the printer, print my jobs, and turn the printer back > off again. Granted, it's not a procedure that'll work for everyone. I found two of these (similiar era) on the street a few years back. Form-factor of a large microwave oven with a twenty-pound turkey indside. Power cable was as thick as my thumb (hyperbolie ok, prollay 14 ga. which is good for 15 amps, IIRC.) Didn't have the $ to fix them so they got donated to some repair shop in town. > The problem with dot-matrix printers is that they can't be used to > print the pictures that often accompany e-mail these days :-) Agreed, when the original poster mentioned printing email, I assumed text only. > In fact, my first did-it-just-for-me computer program was some > downloadable fonts for my Seikosha 24-pin. This was back in 1987, when > softfonts were both rare and expensive. I was tired of hand-writing > Greek and Hebrew stuff into my term papers, so I wrote fonts I could > ship to the printer and access from within WordPerfect 4.x for DOS. My > wife's family thought I was crazy, spending my Christmas break > blocking out Greek and Hebrew letters on graph paper so I could figure > out the byte-maps the Seikosha could understand :-) That sounds very cool. In '87 24-pin heads were very elite. I do remember similiar low-level access to my first printer (Epson RX-80). While I don't have an Epson on hand now, I have given a few away. Keep the dot-matrixs around for the same reason as an external 14.4 modem: troubleshooting. When a page prints or the lights flash, you know something. The two old dot-matrix printers I have are somehow comforting. Just plugged one into my dog and it works. I'd love to hear more about Alex's ink recipe... cheers, Kyle Accardi From AthlonRobNF at cs.com Sat Jul 6 23:32:42 2002 From: AthlonRobNF at cs.com (AthlonRob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <3D276E30.9040300@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020706233242.32362d48.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> On Sat, 6 Jul 2002 19:58:21 -0700 (PDT) "Paul Heinlein" wrote: > The problem with dot-matrix printers is that they can't be used to > print the pictures that often accompany e-mail these days :-) > Otherwise, other than the noise and their inherent slowness, they're > fine. Our old Dot Matrix printer was able to print graphics... they were all in grayscale, of course, and very low quality... but they printed. I should note this was back in the HyperDOS/DOS 5.x days. It was a seperate app (seperate from WP 5.1, IIRC) that printed 'printart'. :-) Rob From alex at daniloff.com Sat Jul 6 22:55:59 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations In-Reply-To: <3D27D81D.5030708@pacifier.com> References: <3D27D81D.5030708@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <02070622555900.07994@gate> Hi Kyle, On Saturday 06 July 2002 10:56 pm, you wrote: > > I'd love to hear more about Alex's ink recipe... > > cheers, > Kyle AccardiOn Saturday 06 July 2002 10:56 pm, you wrote: > > I'd love to hear more about Alex's ink recipe... > > cheers, > Kyle Accardi Here is the recipe for Cannon BJC 620 color inks. Original color inks bases on the metil alcohol mixed with black, cyan, magenta and yellow pigments. You can substitute metil alcohol with etil alcohol or 97% concentartion rubbing alcohol sold in department stores. Except this you have to get a couple of roller ball pen cores with the paste of black cyan, magenta and yellow colors. Each core will produce approximately up to 60 standard ink catriges. The initial proportion per ink catrige is 3% of pigment on 97% of alcohol. Pour this mix into a flask with a tight cap and shake it well within 5-10 minutes or until you see that the pigment was completely dissolved in alcohol. After this you have to give it a warm water bath at 30-40 C (degree of Celsius) within 15 minutes. You can use a small cattle filled with water to heat your flasks with inks. After you done this, let it cool to the room temperature. Final product should look like colored transparent liquid with the color of the same consistency and strength as an original ink. You can add some more core paste if you need to get a darker ink color. Using plastic syringe with the needle recharge your empty catrige with appropriate color and enjoy printing for free. Recipe for ribbon catrige: Original ribbon catrige has oil based ink with a black pigment. As a black pigment you can use typograph black paint which has consistency of a paste or light grease. For oil you can use almost any heavy natural oil which has a tendency to slowly dry out or polymerize. I use for this purposes cotton seed oil which has a great polymerization ability. Mix about 5-7% of black typograph paint with 95-93% of oil. Pour it into flask and shake it within 15-20 minutes. Give it a hot water bath at 60-70% C within 30-45 minutes. Let it cool to the room temperature. You should get a radical black oil based liquid ink. Test it on a scrap paper if you need to add some more typographic ink in it. Completely pull out used ribbon from the catrige and put it into a plastic bag without holes. Pour two tea spoons of your custom ink into this bag with used ribbon and close it tight with a rubber ring or a rope. Shake it and jam with you hands within 20 -25 minutes so your custom ink will saturate into ribbon fibers. Put ribbon back into the catrige and enjoy printing for free. One ribbon could sustain up to 10-15 recharges till it wears completely. That's it Alex -- MS Windows users should be covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act! --------------> Try Linux and you'll understand why <-------------- From raanders at acm.org Sun Jul 7 05:03:00 2002 From: raanders at acm.org (Roderick A. Anderson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer Recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Geoff Burling wrote: > I think I have boasted about the rock-solid nature of my HP IIp+ at > least once here. I'll have owned it for 10 years this December, it's > burned thru about about 8 to 10 toner cartridges in it's life (two a > year for the first few years, gradually down to one lasting two years) > & is currently on it's second computer. If you can find a good toner re-charge service you can get your cartridges much cheaper and when they need rebuilding you get a good drum. I happen to know the local toner re-charge company and have watched as they rebuilt a cartridge. I've had pretty long discussions with the owner who talked me out of a Lexmark (which I've had nothing but good experiences with) into an HP 1200 which I love about how printers are built and maintained. I also know the local computer shop folks that repairs printers. > (The self-test I just ran reports it has printed 38,931 pages.) And I > second Paul's advice about adding as much memory as possible for one > of these. Is this a roll over. Typically duty cycle it 40K a year but probably a little lower for the II series. I'm at 4,000 on my lightly used HP 1200 after 6 months. > And it's worth the cost of fixing it. (Which has been only twice; the > first time after it had been running on a broken part for about 3 years.) > I only wish printers were built to last like this one was. The old HPs are like that. As I mentioned above I know the printer repair folks. They deal with a company that does a pretty large amount of re-furbished printers with the old HPs being a pretty fair mover given the shipping costs are killer. The issue of "why they don't build them like the used to" is mass market economics. Rumor has it HP did a study a few years ago and notice users were buy new printers about every three years. So they decided to build their printers to last about 3 years. They are also less re-repairable. Parts are not available or after labor it costs almost as much as a new printer on the low cost end. You will also notice that the toner cartridge changes with almost every model. This is to make it difficult for the 'other' recharging and recharging component companies. I seem to remember that HP doesn't even recharge the cartridges you send back to them. They recycle them - disassembled and into the bins. On another note when Tektronics (now owned by Xerox) was doing their freecolorprinter.com offer the company I worked for did a cost per page analysis between the crayon/color stick printer and ink jet systems. Pretty rough one since it was obvious right off there was a considerable difference. Typically $0.30+/page ink jet and < $0.10/page crayon even buying them from Tektronics. Quality-wise there was no comparison - the crayon won hands down. Speed was pretty much in the crayon favor also. Well enough rambling. Cheers, Rod -- "Open Source Software - Sometimes you get more than you paid for..." From pluglist at bratgrrl.com Sun Jul 7 04:00:52 2002 From: pluglist at bratgrrl.com (Carla Schroder) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] ELF In-Reply-To: <02070622555900.07994@gate> References: <3D27D81D.5030708@pacifier.com> <02070622555900.07994@gate> Message-ID: <200207071749.g67HnC611792@smtp.easystreet.com> howdy, I gather that ELF is the native Linux binary file format. fine n dandy- I'm seeing a lot of pages on converting to ELF from an older file format. Is this really an issue in these modern time? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carla Schroder, Bratgrrl Computing Plain English spoken here www.bratgrrl.com this message brought to you by KMail, on Red Hat Linux 7.2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From codeyeti at yahoo.com Sun Jul 7 10:55:14 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] ELF References: <3D27D81D.5030708@pacifier.com> <02070622555900.07994@gate> <200207071749.g67HnC611792@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <3D28807F.3D400F03@yahoo.com> nope. That stuff dates way back (in the linux evolutionary scale) --Mike Carla Schroder wrote: > howdy, > > I gather that ELF is the native Linux binary file format. fine n dandy- I'm > seeing a lot of pages on converting to ELF from an older file format. Is this > really an issue in these modern time? > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Carla Schroder, Bratgrrl Computing > Plain English spoken here > www.bratgrrl.com > this message brought to you by KMail, on > Red Hat Linux 7.2 -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas *Fscking* Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From pluglist at bratgrrl.com Sun Jul 7 04:22:51 2002 From: pluglist at bratgrrl.com (Carla Schroder) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] ELF In-Reply-To: <3D28807F.3D400F03@yahoo.com> References: <200207071749.g67HnC611792@smtp.easystreet.com> <3D28807F.3D400F03@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200207071811.g67IBC621951@smtp.easystreet.com> If you have some antique app lying around, does it need to be recompiled to be usable? On Sunday 07 July 2002 05:55 pm, you wrote: > nope. That stuff dates way back (in the linux evolutionary scale) > > --Mike > > Carla Schroder wrote: > > howdy, > > > > I gather that ELF is the native Linux binary file format. fine n dandy- > > I'm seeing a lot of pages on converting to ELF from an older file format. > > Is this really an issue in these modern time? > > From AthlonRobNF at cs.com Sun Jul 7 11:49:42 2002 From: AthlonRobNF at cs.com (AthlonRob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] ELF In-Reply-To: <200207071811.g67IBC621951@smtp.easystreet.com> References: <200207071749.g67HnC611792@smtp.easystreet.com> <3D28807F.3D400F03@yahoo.com> <200207071811.g67IBC621951@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <20020707114942.41632aa8.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:22:51 +0000 "Carla Schroder" wrote: > If you have some antique app lying around, does it need to be recompiled to > be usable? I don't know about the other distros... but in the default Slackware kernel there is support for a.out and MISC binaries via modules. ELF support is compiled right in. :-) I would imagine your distro also has support for a.out and MISC binaries. If not, you can probably make your own kernel (although from what I've heard, that can be complicated in RedHat, Mandrake, or other RPM-based distros). Rob From 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com Sun Jul 7 14:18:58 2002 From: 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com (Steve Bonds) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer [Service] Recommendations Message-ID: <156057761.1026076724906.JavaMail.root@monkey> This is a bit offtopic, but does anyone know where I can find either: 1) Parts and service manuals for an HP Laserjet III? I get the nasty "SERVICE " message pretty often when trying to print. 2) Someplace that will service it inexpensively -- Steve On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Paul Heinlein heinlein@attbi.com XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Mike De La Mater wrote: > > > Nothing's cheaper to operate than a laser. I've got mixed feelings > > about the botom end HP, but they seem to work fine for some people. > > There are lots of used older lasers out there, too. The Laseret II > > and III were pretty useable, too. > > I've had my HP LaserJet IIIp for, oh, a decade now and have never, > ever had any trouble with it. Toner's widely available and relatively > inexpensive. Just make sure you bump up the printer's memory to its > max (2 MB). > > --Paul Heinlein > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From griffint at pobox.com Sun Jul 7 14:26:26 2002 From: griffint at pobox.com (griffint@pobox.com) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] ELF In-Reply-To: <200207071749.g67HnC611792@smtp.easystreet.com> References: <02070622555900.07994@gate> <200207071749.g67HnC611792@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <200207071426.26335.griffint@pobox.com> ELF is not a Linux-specific thing. It was first used on Solaris. I think FreeBSD uses it now as well, and possibly other Unices. Terry On Sunday 07 July 2002 04:00 am, Carla Schroder wrote: > howdy, > > I gather that ELF is the native Linux binary file format. fine n dandy- I'm > seeing a lot of pages on converting to ELF from an older file format. Is > this really an issue in these modern time? From trnutt at aracnet.com Sun Jul 7 14:28:36 2002 From: trnutt at aracnet.com (TRNutt) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer [Service] Recommendations References: <156057761.1026076724906.JavaMail.root@monkey> Message-ID: <3D28B284.9020508@aracnet.com> Try the printer place at about 17th and Powell. When my IIP went down, they told me the what the error meant and then sold me the PCB part I needed for less than 20 From heinlein at attbi.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:06 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] ELF In-Reply-To: <20020707114942.41632aa8.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, AthlonRob wrote: > I would imagine your distro also has support for a.out and MISC > binaries. If not, you can probably make your own kernel (although > from what I've heard, that can be complicated in RedHat, Mandrake, > or other RPM-based distros). Here's my recipe for building roll-your-own kernels on a Red Hat system: 1. Boot into the default Red Hat kernel, do an 'lsmod' and take note of every single module that's currently running. Red Hat's kernels have very few things compiled in statically (ext2, binary formats like ELF and a.out, and other really essential stuff), so a list of running modules will tell you most of the capabilites you're going to need in your kernel. If you can't figure out what a certain module does, try opening /path/to/linux/src/Documentation/Configure.help in the pager of your choice and searching for the module name. Chances are that you'll be able to discover the configuration option for the module in question. 2. Do 'make xconfig' or, my favorite, 'make menuconfig,' taking care to match (at least) the capabilities of the RH kernel. This isn't a 100% fool-proof method to define the kernel you'll need, but it's a good start. 3. make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install; cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz- cp System.map /boot/System.map- cp .config /boot/config- 4. Edit lilo or grub config file or, if you're adventurous, check out the /sbin/new-kernel-pkg script that accompanies Red Hat 7.x; it'll do grub.conf updates and build an initrd image for you. Cross fingers; offer supplications to appropriate deity; reboot. --Paul Heinlein From jon at manymoons.net Sun Jul 7 14:47:45 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Getting RH7.3 Message-ID: <1026078465.25465.137.camel@lana.manymoons.net> It has become apparent that I would be a lot better off if I were to upgrade to RH 7.3. It seems as if every one of my latest issues, from wireless connectivity to video drivers, would be taken care of by this release. The problem is that I don't have the money to buy it (still under-employeed these days), and I am nervous about upgrading over the web (I am worried that my flakey DSL connection will quit in the middle and I will be screwed). On top of all that, my CD Burner recently went tits up and so the ISOs would do me no good. Therefore, I was wondering if anybody would mind loaning me the disks for the install. This would be greatly appreciated. From AthlonRobNF at cs.com Sun Jul 7 16:50:43 2002 From: AthlonRobNF at cs.com (AthlonRob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] ELF In-Reply-To: References: <20020707114942.41632aa8.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> Message-ID: <20020707165043.3d24021d.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:43:06 -0700 (PDT) "Paul Heinlein" wrote: > 2. Do 'make xconfig' or, my favorite, 'make menuconfig,' taking care > to match (at least) the capabilities of the RH kernel. This isn't a > 100% fool-proof method to define the kernel you'll need, but it's a > good start. > > 3. make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install; > cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz- > cp System.map /boot/System.map- > cp .config /boot/config- What about make dep and maybe make clean? In slackware, just boot up, get some clean source (it's not always the best idea to use the stuff in /usr/src/linux ... best to leave that as-is) ... do a make mrproper to be sure it is clean, copy /boot/config to .config (gives you some nice defaults)... then adjust the config accordingly and follow your steps, with an added make dep && make clean after the configuration. Do you compile as a root? I always do everything except the installations (of the kernel, modules, System.map, and re-running lilo) as a regular user. I thought I read somewhere that was how to do it... I dunno, though. :-) My Redhat-using friend had problems with RPM stuff when he rolled his own kernels. Something totally kept him from using the ntfs module at all. He was dual booting with Win2K on that particular box. Rob From mikedela at ipns.com Sun Jul 7 17:20:51 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Getting RH7.3 In-Reply-To: <1026078465.25465.137.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: Where do you live? (generally of course) Mike 7/7/02 2:47:45 PM, Jon Jacob wrote: >It has become apparent that I would be a lot better off if I were to >upgrade to RH 7.3. It seems as if every one of my latest issues, from >wireless connectivity to video drivers, would be taken care of by this >release. The problem is that I don't have the money to buy it (still >under-employeed these days), and I am nervous about upgrading over the >web (I am worried that my flakey DSL connection will quit in the middle >and I will be screwed). On top of all that, my CD Burner recently went >tits up and so the ISOs would do me no good. > >Therefore, I was wondering if anybody would mind loaning me the disks >for the install. This would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _____________________ Mike De La Mater Computer Consulting Twenty five years experience Networks, PCs and office technologies 503-702-6749 mikedela@ipns.com From jon at manymoons.net Sun Jul 7 17:23:01 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Getting RH7.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1026087782.25461.139.camel@lana.manymoons.net> SE near Reed College. On Sun, 2002-07-07 at 17:20, Mike De La Mater wrote: > Where do you live? (generally of course) > > Mike > > 7/7/02 2:47:45 PM, Jon Jacob wrote: > > >It has become apparent that I would be a lot better off if I were to > >upgrade to RH 7.3. It seems as if every one of my latest issues, from > >wireless connectivity to video drivers, would be taken care of by this > >release. The problem is that I don't have the money to buy it (still > >under-employeed these days), and I am nervous about upgrading over the > >web (I am worried that my flakey DSL connection will quit in the middle > >and I will be screwed). On top of all that, my CD Burner recently went > >tits up and so the ISOs would do me no good. > > > >Therefore, I was wondering if anybody would mind loaning me the disks > >for the install. This would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PLUG mailing list > >PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _____________________ > Mike De La Mater > Computer Consulting > Twenty five years experience > Networks, PCs and office technologies > 503-702-6749 > mikedela@ipns.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From heinlein at attbi.com Mon Jul 8 06:29:34 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] ELF In-Reply-To: <20020707165043.3d24021d.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, AthlonRob wrote: > What about make dep and maybe make clean? Doh! Right. 'make dep' for sure and, depending on the circumstances 'make clean' or 'make mrproper'. > Do you compile as a root? No. > My Redhat-using friend had problems with RPM stuff when he rolled > his own kernels. Something totally kept him from using the ntfs > module at all. He was dual booting with Win2K on that particular > box. In order to satisfy the requirements of various non-kernel packages on a Red Hat system, you have to either keep an official kernel package installed (even if you don't use it) or roll your own kernel rpm. Of course, that doesn't explain why your friend couldn't use the ntfs module. I'd have to see the particulars of his case even to begin troubleshooting a problem like that. For a while, Red Hat kernels were getting really good. The 2.2.19 and 2.4.9 series were excellent. I'd always built my own kernels until those releases, but I started using the stock kernels because they performed so well for me. Something boofed, however, in 2.4.18 (the kernel shipped with RH 7.3); its nfs and nfsd are really screwy -- so I've gone back to building my own using the standard tarballs from kernel.org. --Paul Heinlein From sean at fork.com Mon Jul 8 07:24:26 2002 From: sean at fork.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Free Printer Message-ID: <20020708142426.D45583029A@einstein.seansdomain.org> I have a epson 600 color inkjet that needs a good home. I don't use it enough to keep it working. It needs to be hooked up to a windows machine and have the head cleaned about 20 times to clean out the head. Then it works fine. If it's used regularly it will work fine, works great under linux, w/samba you name it. I would prefer to give it to some of the PLUG underemployed, or undergraduate students. Otherwise it's going to Freegeek. I'm in Vancouver. Sean -- There is only one way to be happy by means of the heart -- to have none. -- Paul Bourget From matchboy at tearitalldown.com Mon Jul 8 07:43:54 2002 From: matchboy at tearitalldown.com (r0bbY russell aka MaTcHBoY) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] OpenSource on portland indymedia Message-ID: <008401c2268d$e2709b30$7cf397d0@imarkpdx.com> http://portland.indymedia.org/ The Portland Indymedia has made a feature about opensource/linux... :-) -r0bbY From shahms at shahms.com Mon Jul 8 09:02:15 2002 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms E. King) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] non-munged list? Message-ID: <1026144135.14271.12.camel@shahms> I remember a while ago PLUG was "mirrored" on a list that didn't b0rk the headers, is this behavior still possible, or do I just have to suffer through "Reply To Sender" -> delete plug@lists.pdxlinux.org -> type in actual recipients name -> pray that Reply-To munging didn't overwrite something important (like the senders Reply-To header???) and my message actually goes to the intended recipient? --Shahms From galens at seitzassoc.com Mon Jul 8 09:04:40 2002 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer [Service] Recommendations In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:18:58 PDT." <156057761.1026076724906.JavaMail.root@monkey> Message-ID: <200207081604.g68G4e409939@tinman.seitzassoc.com> > This is a bit offtopic, but does anyone know where I can find either: > > 1) Parts and service manuals for an HP Laserjet III? I get the nasty > "SERVICE " message pretty often when trying to print. > > 2) Someplace that will service it inexpensively > > -- Steve > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/ is pretty useful. galen From ocarules at webnationinc.com Mon Jul 8 09:26:56 2002 From: ocarules at webnationinc.com (Jeremy Bowen) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Printer [Service] Recommendations References: <200207081604.g68G4e409939@tinman.seitzassoc.com> Message-ID: <00b601c2269c$4711d5a0$6501a8c0@jeremyb> Darling - Acme office machines or Dependable Printer Support ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galen Seitz" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [PLUG] Printer [Service] Recommendations > > This is a bit offtopic, but does anyone know where I can find either: > > > > 1) Parts and service manuals for an HP Laserjet III? I get the nasty > > "SERVICE " message pretty often when trying to print. > > > > 2) Someplace that will service it inexpensively > > > > -- Steve > > > > > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/ is pretty useful. > > galen > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From mikeraz at patch.com Mon Jul 8 09:42:47 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz@patch.com) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] non-munged list? In-Reply-To: <1026144135.14271.12.camel@shahms>; from shahms@shahms.com on Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 09:02:15AM -0700 References: <1026144135.14271.12.camel@shahms> Message-ID: <20020708094247.B18155@patch.com> On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 09:02:15AM -0700, Shahms E. King typed: > the headers, is this behavior still possible, or do I just have to > suffer through "Reply To Sender" -> delete plug@lists.pdxlinux.org -> > type in actual recipients name -> pray that Reply-To munging didn't > overwrite something important (like the senders Reply-To header???) and > my message actually goes to the intended recipient? forwarding to the intended recipient is pretty reliable. Reduces suffering. -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin and the fortune cookie says: We will have solar energy as soon as the utility companies solve one technical problem -- how to run a sunbeam through a meter. From neil at pacifier.com Mon Jul 8 10:04:46 2002 From: neil at pacifier.com (Neil Anuskiewicz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] The perfect spam filter Message-ID: Okay, let's work together to create the perfect spam filter. Please look at my .forward file and my .procmailrc and critique them. Tell me what is wrong and what is right with them. How can they be improved? Have I done it correctly? Are there more IP addresses and domains you think should be filtered? Etc. I will continue to work on this until spam is reduced a lot while at the same time legit email does not seem to be being caught. When I have achieved that I will post the final for all to use who want it. Note: part of the following is based on something Rich posted here some time ago. Here is my .forward: "|IFS=' '&&exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #login" Here is my .procmailrc: # BEGIN RECIPES #Whatever recipes you'll use #The order of the recipes is significant #Preliminaries SHELL=/bin/sh #Use the Bourne shell (check your path!) MAILDIR=${HOME}/mail #First check what your mail directory is! LOGFILE=${MAILDIR}/procmail.log LOG="--- Logging ${LOGFILE} for ${LOGNAME}, " #Whatever recipes you'll use #The order of the recipes is significant :0 * ^Sender:.*owner-plug@pdxlinux.org PLUG :0 * ^To:.*mazamas1@mazamas.org mazamas # spam blocks :0 : * 9876543210^0 ^Message-ID: <> * 9876543210^0 ^X-: * 9876543210^0 ^X-UIDL: * 9876543210^0 ^X-Advertisement: * 9876543210^0 ^X-Flags: * 9876543210^0 ^Received: from default * 9876543210^0 !^To: * 9876543210^0 ^To:.*@@ * 9876543210^0 ^TOUndisclosed * 9876543210^0 ^Subject:.*ADV /dev/null :0 *^Received:.*from localhost.com ([164.77.233.59]) /dev/null *^From:.*olk.co.kr /dev/null :0 *^From:.*lycos.co.kr /dev/null :0 *^From:.*anglefire.com /dev/null :0: *^Content.*multipart/alternative /dev/null :0 *^From:.*listmaster@specialtysalesonline.com /dev/null :0 *^From:.*announcements@provantage.com /dev/null # Regenerate "From" lines to make sure they are valid :0 fhw | formail -I "From " -a "From " :0 * ^From:.*scam@cyberspam\.com /dev/null # Accept all the rest to your default mailbox :0: ${DEFAULT} From russj at dimstar.net Mon Jul 8 10:13:07 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] The perfect spam filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020708101307.32abfeca.russj@dimstar.net> On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > Okay, let's work together to create the perfect spam filter. My only question is, why? spamassassin catches 99+% of the spam I get, and I've only seen it catch a couple of mailing lists as spam. It's easy to fix that. It sounds like you are reinventing the wheel. -- "The power to untie is stronger than the power to tie." Well, yeah, otherwise my shoes would tie themselves. --- Russ Johnson Stargate Online http://www.dimstar.net telnet://telnet.dimstar.net ICQ: 3739685:Airneil From neil at pacifier.com Mon Jul 8 10:19:49 2002 From: neil at pacifier.com (Neil Anuskiewicz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] The perfect spam filter In-Reply-To: <20020708101307.32abfeca.russj@dimstar.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Russ Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:04:46 -0700 (PDT) > Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > > > Okay, let's work together to create the perfect spam filter. > > My only question is, why? spamassassin catches 99+% of the spam I get, > and I've only seen it catch a couple of mailing lists as spam. It's > easy to fix that. My ISP offers spamassassin which I used and it did very little to reduce spam. What I am trying to do is filter spam before it even reaches me. If I were to setup spamassasin it would be local which I suppose is fine but I wanted to set something up in my shell at Pacifier which would filter out the spam before I even download my mail. -- Neil Anuskiewicz From 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com Mon Jul 8 10:43:06 2002 From: 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com (Steve Bonds) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:56 2007 Subject: [PLUG] The perfect spam filter Message-ID: <435562852.1026150171514.JavaMail.root@monkey> On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Neil Anuskiewicz neil@pacifier.com XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Russ Johnson wrote: > > > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:04:46 -0700 (PDT) > > Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > > > > > Okay, let's work together to create the perfect spam filter. > > > > My only question is, why? spamassassin catches 99+% of the spam I get, > > and I've only seen it catch a couple of mailing lists as spam. It's > > easy to fix that. > > My ISP offers spamassassin which I used and it did very little to reduce > spam. What I am trying to do is filter spam before it even reaches me. If > I were to setup spamassasin it would be local which I suppose is fine but > I wanted to set something up in my shell at Pacifier which would filter > out the spam before I even download my mail. It looks like you're pretty procmail-savvy. Spamassassin just marks things-- it's up to procmail to delete or re-file the messages that are (likely) spam: Here's a suggested .procmailrc: ----- CUT HERE ----- :0fw | spamassassin -P :0e { EXITCODE=$? } :0: * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes /dev/null ----- CUT HERE ----- You can also tailor your ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs as needed. I aggressively check, so I dropped the required_hits to 4 from 5. I also have the RAZOR_CHECK add 5 to the spam score, ensuring that all Razor-tagged messages get filtered. You can tweak all kinds of things in your user_prefs file to make Spamassassin cut out the spam. http://spamassassin.org/tests.html It works better than a massive .procmailrc file. Really. -- Steve From n6jpa at attbi.com Mon Jul 8 11:01:33 2002 From: n6jpa at attbi.com (Keith) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] The perfect spam filter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > > Okay, let's work together to create the perfect spam filter. Please look > at my .forward file and my .procmailrc and critique them. Tell me what is > wrong and what is right with them. How can they be improved? Have I done > it correctly? Are there more IP addresses and domains you think should be > filtered? Etc. I will continue to work on this until spam is reduced a lot > while at the same time legit email does not seem to be being caught. When > I have achieved that I will post the final for all to use who want it. > Note: part of the following is based on something Rich posted here some > time ago. > > > :0 > * ^Sender:.*owner-plug@pdxlinux.org > PLUG Dump all the .* you are wasting time and space. procmail sees: * ^TO@@ with no problems. > > :0 > * ^To:.*mazamas1@mazamas.org > mazamas > > # spam blocks > :0 : > * 9876543210^0 ^Message-ID: <> > * 9876543210^0 ^X-: > * 9876543210^0 ^X-UIDL: > * 9876543210^0 ^X-Advertisement: > * 9876543210^0 ^X-Flags: > * 9876543210^0 ^Received: from default > * 9876543210^0 !^To: > * 9876543210^0 ^To:.*@@ > * 9876543210^0 ^TOUndisclosed > * 9876543210^0 ^Subject:.*ADV > /dev/null > Now write a perl script to add the numbers together and mail out all the spam you receive to unique addresses. - -- Best Regards, Keith NW Oregon Radio http://n6jpa.home.attbi.com/ Church of the Bourne Again Shell. Tux, Save us from the evil Gates of Hell! http://linux.com http://freebsd.org http://apple.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9KdOE4i6+koOZsFQRAhGbAJ9cGs4pEzSMQI3P+TQnwyjFIZgAqgCfSD1x OB+YU3RxwgYE4Xy/Uy4d0Uo= =NcC4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From n6jpa at attbi.com Mon Jul 8 11:05:46 2002 From: n6jpa at attbi.com (Keith) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] The perfect spam filter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > > > :0: > *^Content.*multipart/alternative > /dev/null Thou shall not lock /dev/null - -- Best Regards, Keith NW Oregon Radio http://n6jpa.home.attbi.com/ Church of the Bourne Again Shell. Tux, Save us from the evil Gates of Hell! http://linux.com http://freebsd.org http://apple.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9KdSJ4i6+koOZsFQRAl/VAJ4u6SUr48eTOJo9Q0YxTfKAtWuL/wCfasBX Cg7FGOxLekxg3xNGzX57GXI= =Smdc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From deanm at sharplabs.com Mon Jul 8 12:20:06 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] kde and xinerama question Message-ID: <20020708192006.D22F910E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> I'm at my wits end regarding kde and xinerama. I've got the two heads running just fine. I've got the virtual desktop running under a single KDE invocation (KDE-2.2.2) so I can slide a window across screens. But there is some very annoying behaviour that I can't seem to rid myself of. In particular, if I horizontally maximise, say, an emacs window it maximises across the _entire_ virtual desktop, which, in most cases, is the wrong thing to do. When the kde screensaver comes up, it is centered in the virtual desktop not in one of the physical desktops---again the wrong thing to do. I've wasted a lot of time poking around in google and all I've discovered that KDE 2.2.2 is supposed to be "xinerama-aware" but, from the above behaviour, it clearly isn't. What do I need to do to get kde to understand that I'm running xinerama? I'm running Mandrake 8.2 with stock KDE. Dean From rsteff at attbi.com Mon Jul 8 15:54:41 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Debian Install Message-ID: <3D2A1831.4DF58600@attbi.com> I'm finally getting ready to start installing Debian on my Thinkpad. I've been reading: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.en.html Section 3.2 "Information You Will Need," tells me: Besides this document, you'll need the _cfdisk_ manual page, the _fdisk_ manual page, the _dselect Tutorial_, and the _Linux Hardware Compatibility HOWTO_ The dselect Tutorial page is there, as is the Linux Hardware Compatiblility HOWTO, but when I try to look at either the cfdisk or the fdisk man pages I get the following: ** man page not found ** . Are these the same ones I get when I look at man pages on my Red Hat system? Are there any subtle differences between the ones the Debian site wants me to read and the Red Hat versions? -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From derek at infotects.com Mon Jul 8 16:08:34 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Debian Install In-Reply-To: <3D2A1831.4DF58600@attbi.com> References: <3D2A1831.4DF58600@attbi.com> Message-ID: <1026169720.5965.29.camel@dereklinux> Hi Richard, On Mon, 2002-07-08 at 15:54, Richard Steffens wrote: > I'm finally getting ready to start installing Debian on my Thinkpad. > I've been reading: > > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.en.html > > Section 3.2 "Information You Will Need," tells me: > > Besides this document, you'll need the _cfdisk_ manual page, the > _fdisk_ > manual page, the _dselect Tutorial_, and the _Linux Hardware > Compatibility HOWTO_ > > The dselect Tutorial page is there, as is the Linux Hardware > Compatiblility HOWTO, but when I try to look at either the cfdisk or the > fdisk man pages I get the following: > > ** man page not found ** . > > Are these the same ones I get when I look at man pages on my Red Hat > system? Are there any subtle differences between the ones the Debian > site wants me to read and the Red Hat versions? Don't know, but attached is the output of "man cfdisk" on my debian system. HTH Derek Loree -------------- next part -------------- CFDISK(8) Linux Programmer's Manual CFDISK(8) NNAAMMEE cfdisk - Curses based disk partition table manipulator for Linux SSYYNNOOPPSSIISS ccffddiisskk [[ --aaggvvzz ]] [[ --cc _c_y_l_i_n_d_e_r_s ]] [[ --hh _h_e_a_d_s ]] [[ --ss _s_e_c_? _t_o_r_s_-_p_e_r_-_t_r_a_c_k ]] [[ --PP _o_p_t ]] [[ _d_e_v_i_c_e ]] DDEESSCCRRIIPPTTIIOONN ccffddiisskk is a curses based program for partitioning any hard disk drive. Typical values of the _d_e_v_i_c_e argument are: /dev/hda [default] /dev/hdb /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd In order to write the partition table ccffddiisskk needs some? thing called the `geometry' of the disk: the number of `heads' and the number of `sectors per track'. Linux does not use any geometry, so if the disk will not be accessed by other operating systems, you can safely accept the defaults that ccffddiisskk chooses for you. The geometry used by ccffddiisskk is found as follows. First the partition table is examined, to see what geometry was used by the previous program that changed it. If the partition table is empty, or contains garbage, or does not point at a consistent geometry, the kernel is asked for advice. If nothing works 255 heads and 63 sectors/track is assumed. The geometry can be overridden on the command line or by use of the `g' command. When partitioning an empty large modern disk, picking 255 heads and 63 sectors/track is always a good idea. There is no need to set the number of cylinders, since ccffddiisskk knows the disk size. Next, ccffddiisskk tries to read the current partition table from the disk drive. If it is unable to figure out the partition table, an error is displayed and the program will exit. This might also be caused by incorrect geome? try information, and can be overridden on the command line. Another way around this problem is with the --zz option. This will ignore the partition table on the disk. The main display is composed of four sections, from top to bottom: the header, the partitions, the command line and a warning line. The header contains the program name and version number followed by the disk drive and its geome? try. The partitions section always displays the current partition table. The command line is the place where com? mands and text are entered. The available commands are usually displayed in brackets. The warning line is usu? ally empty except when there is important information to be displayed. The current partition is highlighted with reverse video (or an arrow if the --aa option is given). All partition specific commands apply to the current par? tition. The format of the partition table in the partitions sec? tion is, from left to right: Name, Flags, Partition Type, Filesystem Type and Size. The name is the partition device name. The flags can be _B_o_o_t, which designates a bootable partition or _N_C, which stands for "Not Compatible with DOS or OS/2". DOS, OS/2 and possibly other operating systems require the first sector of the first partition on the disk and all logical partitions to begin on the second head. This wastes the second through the last sector of the first track of the first head (the first sector is taken by the partition table itself). ccffddiisskk allows you to recover these "lost" sectors with the maximize command (mm). _N_o_t_e_: ffddiisskk(8) and some early versions of DOS create all partitions with the number of sectors already maxi? mized. For more information, see the maximize command below. The partition type can be one of _P_r_i_m_a_r_y or _L_o_g_i_? _c_a_l. For unallocated space on the drive, the partition type can also be _P_r_i_/_L_o_g, or empty (if the space is unus? able). The filesystem type section displays the name of the filesystem used on the partition, if known. If it is unknown, then _U_n_k_n_o_w_n and the hex value of the filesystem type are displayed. A special case occurs when there are sections of the disk drive that cannot be used (because all of the primary partitions are used). When this is detected, the filesystem type is displayed as _U_n_u_s_a_b_l_e. The size field displays the size of the partition in megabytes (by default). It can also display the size in sectors and cylinders (see the change units command below). If an asterisks (**) appears after the size, this means that the partition is not aligned on cylinder bound? aries. DDOOSS 66..xx WWAARRNNIINNGG The DOS 6.x FORMAT command looks for some information in the first sector of the data area of the partition, and treats this information as more reliable than the informa? tion in the partition table. DOS FORMAT expects DOS FDISK to clear the first 512 bytes of the data area of a parti? tion whenever a size change occurs. DOS FORMAT will look at this extra information even if the /U flag is given -- we consider this a bug in DOS FORMAT and DOS FDISK. The bottom line is that if you use cfdisk or fdisk to change the size of a DOS partition table entry, then you must also use dddd to zero the first 512 bytes of that par? tition before using DOS FORMAT to format the partition. For example, if you were using cfdisk to make a DOS parti? tion table entry for /dev/hda1, then (after exiting fdisk or cfdisk and rebooting Linux so that the partition table information is valid) you would use the command "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 bs=512 count=1" to zero the first 512 bytes of the partition. Note: BBEE EEXXTTRREEMMEELLYY CCAARREEFFUULL if you use the dddd command, since a small typo can make all of the data on your disk useless. For best results, you should always use an OS-specific partition table program. For example, you should make DOS partitions with the DOS FDISK program and Linux partitions with the Linux fdisk or Linux cfdisk program. CCOOMMMMAANNDDSS ccffddiisskk commands can be entered by pressing the desired key (pressing _E_n_t_e_r after the command is not necessary). Here is a list of the available commands: bb Toggle bootable flag of the current partition. This allows you to select which primary partition is bootable on the drive. dd Delete the current partition. This will convert the current partition into free space and merge it with any free space immediately surrounding the current partition. A partition already marked as free space or marked as unusable cannot be deleted. gg Change the disk geometry (cylinders, heads, or sec? tors-per-track). WWAARRNNIINNGG:: This option should only be used by people who know what they are doing. A command line option is also available to change the disk geometry. While at the change disk geometry command line, you can choose to change cylinders (cc), heads (hh), and sectors per track (ss). The default value will be printed at the prompt which you can accept by simply pressing the _E_n_t_e_r key, or you can exit without changes by pressing the _E_S_C key. If you want to change the default value, sim? ply enter the desired value and press _E_n_t_e_r. The altered disk parameter values do not take effect until you return the main menu (by pressing _E_n_t_e_r or _E_S_C at the change disk geometry command line. If you change the geometry such that the disk appears larger, the extra sectors are added at the end of the disk as free space. If the disk appears smaller, the partitions that are beyond the new last sector are deleted and the last partition on the drive (or the free space at the end of the drive) is made to end at the new last sector. hh Print the help screen. mm Maximize disk usage of the current partition. This command will recover the the unused space between the partition table and the beginning of the parti? tion, but at the cost of making the partition incompatible with DOS, OS/2 and possibly other operating systems. This option will toggle between maximal disk usage and DOS, OS/2, etc. compatible disk usage. The default when creating a partition is to create DOS, OS/2, etc. compatible partitions. nn Create new partition from free space. If the par? tition type is _P_r_i_m_a_r_y or _L_o_g_i_c_a_l, a partition of that type will be created, but if the partition type is _P_r_i_/_L_o_g, you will be prompted for the type you want to create. Be aware that (1) there are only four slots available for primary partitions and (2) since there can be only one extended parti? tion, which contains all of the logical drives, all of the logical drives must be contiguous (with no intervening primary partition). ccffddiisskk next prompts you for the size of the partition you want to create. The default size, equal to the entire free space of the current partition, is display in megabytes. You can either press the _E_n_t_e_r key to accept the default size or enter a different size at the prompt. ccffddiisskk accepts size entries in megabytes (MM) [default], kilobytes (KK), cylinders (CC) and sectors (SS) by entering the number immedi? ately followed by one of (MM, KK, CC or SS). If the partition fills the free space available, the par? tition is created and you are returned to the main command line. Otherwise, the partition can be cre? ated at the beginning or the end of the free space, and ccffddiisskk will ask you to choose where to place the partition. After the partition is created, ccffddiisskk automatically adjusts the other partition's partition types if all of the primary partitions are used. pp Print the partition table to the screen or to a file. There are several different formats for the partition that you can choose from: rr Raw data format (exactly what would be writ? ten to disk) ss Partition table in sector order format tt Partition table in raw format The _r_a_w _d_a_t_a _f_o_r_m_a_t will print the sectors that would be written to disk if a wwrite command is selected. First, the primary partition table is printed, followed by the partition tables associ? ated with each logical partition. The data is printed in hex byte by byte with 16 bytes per line. The _p_a_r_t_i_t_i_o_n _t_a_b_l_e _i_n _s_e_c_t_o_r _o_r_d_e_r _f_o_r_m_a_t will print the partition table ordered by sector number. The fields, from left to right, are the number of the partition, the partition type, the first sec? tor, the last sector, the offset from the first sector of the partition to the start of the data, the length of the partition, the filesystem type (with the hex value in parenthesis), and the flags (with the hex value in parenthesis). In addition to the primary and logical partitions, free and unusable space is printed and the extended parti? tion is printed before the first logical partition. If a partition does not start or end on a cylinder boundary or if the partition length is not divisi? ble by the cylinder size, an asterisks (**) is printed after the non-aligned sector number/count. This usually indicates that a partition was created by an operating system that either does not align partitions to cylinder boundaries or that used dif? ferent disk geometry information. If you know the disk geometry of the other operating system, you could enter the geometry information with the change geometry command (gg). For the first partition on the disk and for all logical partitions, if the offset from the begin? ning of the partition is not equal to the number of sectors per track (i.e., the data does not start on the first head), a number sign (##) is printed after the offset. For the remaining partitions, if the offset is not zero, a number sign will be printed after the offset. This corresponds to the _N_C flag in the partitions section of the main display. The _p_a_r_t_i_t_i_o_n _t_a_b_l_e _i_n _r_a_w _f_o_r_m_a_t will print the partition table ordered by partition number. It will leave out all free and unusable space. The fields, from left to right, are the number of the partition, the flags (in hex), the starting head, sector and cylinder, the filesystem ID (in hex), the ending head, sector and cylinder, the starting sector in the partition and the number of sectors in the partition. The information in this table can be directly translated to the _r_a_w _d_a_t_a _f_o_r_m_a_t. The partition table entries only have 10 bits available to represent the starting and ending cylinders. Thus, when the absolute starting (end? ing) sector number is on a cylinder greater than 1023, the maximal values for starting (ending) head, sector and cylinder are printed. This is the method used by OS/2, and thus fixes the problems associated with OS/2's fdisk rewriting the parti? tion table when it is not in this format. Since Linux and OS/2 use absolute sector counts, the val? ues in the starting and ending head, sector and cylinder are not used. qq Quit program. This will exit the program without writing any data to disk. tt Change the filesystem type. By default, new parti? tions are created as _L_i_n_u_x partitions, but since ccffddiisskk can create partitions for other operating systems, change partition type allows you to enter the hex value of the filesystem you desire. A list of the know filesystem types is displayed. You can type in the filesystem type at the prompt or accept the default filesystem type [_L_i_n_u_x]. uu Change units of the partition size display. It will rotate through megabytes, sectors and cylin? ders. WW Write partition table to disk (must enter an upper case W). Since this might destroy data on the disk, you must either confirm or deny the write by entering `yes' or `no'. If you enter `yes', ccffddiisskk will write the partition table to disk and the tell the kernel to re-read the partition table from the disk. The re-reading of the partition table works is most cases, but I have seen it fail. Don't panic. It will be correct after you reboot the system. In all cases, I still recommend rebooting the system--just to be safe. _U_p _A_r_r_o_w _D_o_w_n _A_r_r_o_w Move cursor to the previous or next partition. If there are more partitions than can be displayed on a screen, you can display the next (previous) set of partitions by moving down (up) at the last (first) partition displayed on the screen. _C_T_R_L_-_L Redraws the screen. In case something goes wrong and you cannot read anything, you can refresh the screen from the main command line. ?? Print the help screen. All of the commands can be entered with either upper or lower case letters (except for WWrites). When in a sub- menu or at a prompt to enter a filename, you can hit the _E_S_C key to return to the main command line. OOPPTTIIOONNSS --aa Use an arrow cursor instead of reverse video for highlighting the current partition. --gg Do not use the geometry given by the disk driver, but try to guess a geometry from the partition table. --vv Print the version number and copyright. --zz Start with zeroed partition table. This option is useful when you want to repartition your entire disk. _N_o_t_e_: this option does not zero the parti? tion table on the disk; rather, it simply starts the program without reading the existing partition table. --cc _c_y_l_i_n_d_e_r_s --hh _h_e_a_d_s --ss _s_e_c_t_o_r_s_-_p_e_r_-_t_r_a_c_k Override the number of cylinders, heads and sectors per track read from the BIOS. If your BIOS or adapter does not supply this information or if it supplies incorrect information, use these options to set the disk geometry values. --PP _o_p_t Prints the partition table in specified formats. _o_p_t can be one or more of "r", "s" or "t". See the pprint command (above) for more information on the print formats. EEXXIITT SSTTAATTUUSS 0: No errors; 1: Invocation error; 2: I/O error; 3: cannot get geometry; 4: bad partition table on disk. SSEEEE AALLSSOO ffddiisskk(8), ppaarrtteedd(8), ssffddiisskk(8) BBUUGGSS The current version does not support multiple disks. AAUUTTHHOORR Kevin E. Martin (martin@cs.unc.edu) The BOGUS Linux Release 3 June 1995 CFDISK(8) From jeme at brelin.net Mon Jul 8 16:55:38 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Debian Install In-Reply-To: <3D2A1831.4DF58600@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Richard Steffens wrote: > I'm finally getting ready to start installing Debian on my Thinkpad. > I've been reading: > > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.en.html > > Section 3.2 "Information You Will Need," tells me: > > Besides this document, you'll need the _cfdisk_ manual page, the > _fdisk_ > manual page, the _dselect Tutorial_, and the _Linux Hardware > Compatibility HOWTO_ Well, this is overkill, I think... but better overprepared than under. > The dselect Tutorial page is there, as is the Linux Hardware > Compatiblility HOWTO, but when I try to look at either the cfdisk or > the fdisk man pages I get the following: > > ** man page not found ** . > > Are these the same ones I get when I look at man pages on my Red Hat > system? Are there any subtle differences between the ones the Debian > site wants me to read and the Red Hat versions? They should be the same manpages. Don't worry about it too much if you have a general idea how to do a disk partition. Just remember to hit [Write] when you're done! J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From neil at pacifier.com Mon Jul 8 21:16:48 2002 From: neil at pacifier.com (Neil Anuskiewicz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] The perfect spam filter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Keith wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > > > > > > > :0: > > *^Content.*multipart/alternative > > /dev/null > > Thou shall not lock /dev/null Just moving mail to /dev/null from user space. What's wrong with that? Harmless or am I missing something? -- Neil Anuskiewicz From neil at pacifier.com Mon Jul 8 21:20:01 2002 From: neil at pacifier.com (Neil Anuskiewicz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] low volume PLUG? Message-ID: Is plug really low volume right now or is my new spam filter working just a little too well (or badly)? :-) I have gotten only maybe a half dozen emails to plug today. -- Neil Anuskiewicz From mikedela at ipns.com Mon Jul 8 21:26:34 2002 From: mikedela at ipns.com (Mike De La Mater) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] low volume PLUG? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You, it's a low volume PLUG day. Mike 7/8/02 9:20:01 PM, Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > >Is plug really low volume right now or is my new spam filter working just >a little too well (or badly)? :-) > >I have gotten only maybe a half dozen emails to plug today. > > >-- >Neil Anuskiewicz > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _____________________ Mike De La Mater Computer Consulting Twenty five years experience Networks, PCs and office technologies 503-702-6749 mikedela@ipns.com From creelan at engr.orst.edu Mon Jul 8 21:29:50 2002 From: creelan at engr.orst.edu (Tyler F. Creelan) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] The perfect spam filter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Just moving mail to /dev/null from user space. What's wrong with that? I don't use procmail, but I think what Keith's referring to is that when you use a ":" procmail creates a lock file to enforce mutual exclusion on the sink file. So like, if your syntax is: > > > :0: > > > *^Content.*multipart/alternative > > > /dev/null then /dev/null is unnecessarily being locked between writes. Hope this helps (and is correct) Tyler On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Keith wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > > > > > > > > :0: > > > *^Content.*multipart/alternative > > > /dev/null > > > > > > > Thou shall not lock /dev/null > > Just moving mail to /dev/null from user space. What's wrong with that? > > Harmless or am I missing something? > > > -- > Neil Anuskiewicz > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From neil at pacifier.com Mon Jul 8 21:55:07 2002 From: neil at pacifier.com (Neil Anuskiewicz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] spam filter not working Message-ID: Well, before it can become the perfect spam filter it needs to work. It does not. It is not filtering anything. My ISP runs sendmail on OpenBSD. Any ideas? -- Neil Anuskiewicz From mike at computer-arts.net Mon Jul 8 22:58:14 2002 From: mike at computer-arts.net (Mike Witt) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Apache problem? Message-ID: <3D2A7B76.94E61A01@computer-arts.net> Well, I really don't know what the problem is, but if you go to the URL in my signature below, you might see it. I get a message complaining about "localhost.localdomain" If you say: http://www.computer-arts.net/~mike/index.html you get there okay. But, I can't figure out what the problem is. I don't *think* I've change the httpd.conf file. I *did* change the address(es) of the system in question, so I suspect the problem has something to do with that. I'm stumped. -- Mike Witt Computer Arts, West Linn Oregon, USA http://www.computer-arts.net/~mike From jeme at brelin.net Mon Jul 8 23:07:48 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Apache problem? In-Reply-To: <3D2A7B76.94E61A01@computer-arts.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Mike Witt wrote: > Well, I really don't know what the problem is, but if you > go to the URL in my signature below, you might see it. I > get a message complaining about "localhost.localdomain" > > If you say: http://www.computer-arts.net/~mike/index.html you get > there okay. But, I can't figure out what the problem is. I don't > *think* I've change the httpd.conf file. I *did* change the > address(es) of the system in question, so I suspect the problem has > something to do with that. I'm stumped. Well, it didn't work, then I started troubleshooting and it works. I had nothing to do with it. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From neil at pacifier.com Mon Jul 8 23:17:40 2002 From: neil at pacifier.com (Neil Anuskiewicz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Apache problem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Jeme A Brelin wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Mike Witt wrote: > > Well, I really don't know what the problem is, but if you > > go to the URL in my signature below, you might see it. I > > get a message complaining about "localhost.localdomain" > > > > If you say: http://www.computer-arts.net/~mike/index.html you get > > there okay. But, I can't figure out what the problem is. I don't > > *think* I've change the httpd.conf file. I *did* change the > > address(es) of the system in question, so I suspect the problem has > > something to do with that. I'm stumped. > > Well, it didn't work, then I started troubleshooting and it works. > > I had nothing to do with it. You did some of that pagan mystic Dionysian revelry and that fixed it. Careful with that Jeme. -- Neil Anuskiewicz From sandbox at pacifier.com Mon Jul 8 23:18:49 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Q: Apache & streaming mp3 on lan References: <3D1A6CFF.9020207@pacifier.com> <1025295574.5034.0.camel@juniper> Message-ID: <3D2A8049.7030604@pacifier.com> Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 18:40, Kyle Accardi wrote: > >>Using Mozilla to click on a song, it will play for ~20 seconds. After many >>experiments, I'm wondering if apache is stopping the flow somehow. > There is an mp3 streaming module for apache. I think you need to > install that to make it work. It probably sends the file using chunked > encoding. Ok, I've tracked down Apache::MP3 and have learned enough CPAN to get the tar.gz file and poke around. Followed the advice on...(why, oh why is the #^$%@ Location bar blank in Mozilla??) But they seem to be missing a step, or taking something forgranted. Whereas, before the link named 'Music' would give me a dir listing and play a few seconds of a selected mp3, now Apache knows it should be a handler for this dir. But falls flat with an Internal Server Error. error.log says: [error] Can't locate Apache/MP3.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl . /etc/httpd/ /etc/httpd/lib/perl) at (eval 4) line 3. [error] Undefined subroutine &Apache::MP3::handler called. So, trying to help, I copy MP3.pm to /etc/httpd/lib/perl No dice. (yes, I restart server after each experiment). MP3.pm is executable by everyone. Thoughts? Kyle Accardi From jeme at brelin.net Mon Jul 8 23:44:36 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Apache problem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > You did some of that pagan mystic Dionysian revelry and that fixed it. > Careful with that Jeme. Well, I DID do some of that... but that was for Clint's DNS problem. I can't imagine that did anything to Mike's Apache config. Don't be such a stick in the mud. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From mike at computer-arts.net Mon Jul 8 23:41:04 2002 From: mike at computer-arts.net (Mike Witt) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Apache problem? References: Message-ID: <3D2A8580.46BE7117@computer-arts.net> Jeme A Brelin wrote: > Well, it didn't work, then I started troubleshooting and it works. I'm still seeing the error from here. I wonder if it's some kind of netscape caching problem. -Mike From jeme at brelin.net Mon Jul 8 23:58:09 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Apache problem? In-Reply-To: <3D2A8580.46BE7117@computer-arts.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Mike Witt wrote: > I'm still seeing the error from here. I wonder if it's some kind of > netscape caching problem. I got the error you're describing the first time I hit the site. Then I tried the following: wget --server-response http://www.computer-arts.net/~mike/ And it gave me a 200 OK and the index file... so I went back to Netscape, and sure enough it all worked fine. And it's still working. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From jeme at brelin.net Mon Jul 8 23:59:44 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Q: Apache & streaming mp3 on lan In-Reply-To: <3D2A8049.7030604@pacifier.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Kyle Accardi wrote: > Ok, I've tracked down Apache::MP3 and have learned enough CPAN to get the > tar.gz file and poke around. > > Followed the advice on...(why, oh why is the #^$%@ Location bar blank in > Mozilla??) > > > > But they seem to be missing a step, or taking something forgranted. > > Whereas, before the link named 'Music' would give me a dir listing and > play a few seconds of a selected mp3, now Apache knows it should be a > handler for this dir. But falls flat with an Internal Server Error. > > error.log says: > > [error] Can't locate Apache/MP3.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl . /etc/httpd/ /etc/httpd/lib/perl) at (eval 4) line 3. > > [error] Undefined subroutine &Apache::MP3::handler called. > > So, trying to help, I copy MP3.pm to /etc/httpd/lib/perl No dice. > (yes, I restart server after each experiment). MP3.pm is executable by > everyone. > > Thoughts? Where was MP3.pm before you moved it? Remember that perl is looking for Apache/MP3.pm, not just MP3.pm. Write a little cgi that just echoes @INC to your browser so you can see whether Apache::MP3 is installed in the right place. That's just a little tiny start. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From mike at computer-arts.net Tue Jul 9 00:05:06 2002 From: mike at computer-arts.net (Mike Witt) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Apache problem? References: Message-ID: <3D2A8B22.FE438F88@computer-arts.net> Jeme A Brelin wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Mike Witt wrote: > > I'm still seeing the error from here. I wonder if it's some kind of > > netscape caching problem. > > I got the error you're describing the first time I hit the site. > > Then I tried the following: > > wget --server-response http://www.computer-arts.net/~mike/ > > And it gave me a 200 OK and the index file... so I went back to Netscape, > and sure enough it all worked fine. > > And it's still working. Hmmm... Here's what I get. What I don't understand is where the heck the "localhost" business is comimg from. [mike@malacandra mike]$ wget --server-response http://www.computer-arts.net/~mike --00:02:39-- http://www.computer-arts.net/%7Emike => `~mike' Connecting to www.computer-arts.net:80... connected! HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently 2 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 07:02:40 GMT 3 Server: Apache/1.3.22 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) 4 Location: http://localhost.localdomain/~mike/ 5 Connection: close 6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 7 Location: http://localhost.localdomain/~mike/ [following] --00:02:40-- http://localhost.localdomain/%7Emike/ => `index.html' Connecting to localhost.localdomain:80... Connection to localhost.localdomain:80 refused. -- Mike Witt Computer Arts, West Linn Oregon, USA http://www.computer-arts.net/~mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bsr at spek.org Tue Jul 9 00:30:55 2002 From: bsr at spek.org (Brent Rieck) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Apache problem? In-Reply-To: <3D2A8B22.FE438F88@computer-arts.net> References: <3D2A8B22.FE438F88@computer-arts.net> Message-ID: <1026199855.25208.379.camel@obelisk.spek.org> Looks like it's probably be Apache sending the wrong redirect url to the browser when it redirects /~mike to /~mike/. Have you tried setting the ServerName directive to "ServerName www.computer-arts.net" in httpd.conf (or whatever file spec's the config for that site) --Brent On Tue, 2002-07-09 at 00:05, Mike Witt wrote: > Hmmm... Here's what I get. What I don't understand is where the > heck the "localhost" business is comimg from. > > > [mike@malacandra mike]$ wget --server-response http://www.computer-arts.net/~mike > --00:02:39-- http://www.computer-arts.net/%7Emike > => `~mike' > Connecting to www.computer-arts.net:80... connected! > HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently > 2 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 07:02:40 GMT > 3 Server: Apache/1.3.22 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) > 4 Location: http://localhost.localdomain/~mike/ > 5 Connection: close > 6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > 7 > Location: http://localhost.localdomain/~mike/ [following] > --00:02:40-- http://localhost.localdomain/%7Emike/ > => `index.html' > Connecting to localhost.localdomain:80... > Connection to localhost.localdomain:80 refused. From n6jpa at attbi.com Tue Jul 9 00:33:09 2002 From: n6jpa at attbi.com (Keith) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] spam filter not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > > Well, before it can become the perfect spam filter it needs to work. It > does not. It is not filtering anything. > > My ISP runs sendmail on OpenBSD. Any ideas? > You seem to be running pine from a shell account and you may need to setup a cron file to have procmail run at the ISP or maybe the ISP does it on a per account basis? Look at your procmail log file and see what it says, put it verbose mode. If you need to get mail from your ISP to your computer try fetchmail. http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/fetchmail/ -- Best Regards, Keith NW Oregon Radio http://n6jpa.home.attbi.com/ Church of the Bourne Again Shell. Tux, Save us from the evil Gates of Hell! http://linux.com http://freebsd.org http://apple.com From sandbox at pacifier.com Tue Jul 9 00:52:45 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Q: Apache & streaming mp3 on lan References: Message-ID: <3D2A964D.6020301@pacifier.com> Jeme A Brelin wrote: > Where was MP3.pm before you moved it? > > Remember that perl is looking for Apache/MP3.pm, not just MP3.pm. > > Write a little cgi that just echoes @INC to your browser so you can see > whether Apache::MP3 is installed in the right place. Didn't move it, but copied it from a place I'm sure perl didn't know existed. Perl is not one of my strengths. Neither is CGI. But yeah, from the error message, Apache can't find MP3.pm. After putting it in two places it said it was looking, I'm still at a loss... Wait for it...creating /etc/httpd/Apache/MP3.pm solved it! That's intuitative--not. Looks like a pocket of Linux inner-circleism, I'm cool again, thanks. Of course, this POS latest Mozilla can't pass the info to xmms correctly, but that for another bottle of wine. -- Kyle Accardi From jeme at brelin.net Tue Jul 9 01:05:30 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Q: Apache & streaming mp3 on lan In-Reply-To: <3D2A964D.6020301@pacifier.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Kyle Accardi wrote: > Didn't move it, but copied it from a place I'm sure perl didn't know > existed. And where was that? > Perl is not one of my strengths. > Neither is CGI. That's fine, but there are some basics you should know, just to get by on your own. Think of the @INC variable as being equivalent to $PATH in bash (or DOS for that matter). It's the list of include directories where perl looks for modules. > But yeah, from the error message, Apache can't find MP3.pm. After > putting it in two places it said it was looking, I'm still at a > loss... More importantly, perl couldn't find Apache::MP3 or, more directly related to your problem, Apache/MP3.pm. That was the error you were getting. > Wait for it...creating /etc/httpd/Apache/MP3.pm solved it! That's > intuitative--not. Looks like a pocket of Linux inner-circleism, I'm > cool again, thanks. Actually, this would have come to you if you'd walked through it kind of carefully. You'll probably find that /etc/httpd is in @INC when perl is invoked via Apache and Apache/MP3.pm is what perl wsa trying to find. Personally, I'd recommend installing the package in a more conventional location. Did you do a CPAN install of this thing or did you just retrieve and build it with CPAN? > Of course, this POS latest Mozilla can't pass the info to xmms > correctly, but that for another bottle of wine. Perhaps the wine is more part of the problem than the solution. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From neil at pacifier.com Tue Jul 9 01:14:52 2002 From: neil at pacifier.com (Neil Anuskiewicz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] spam filter not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Keith wrote: > You seem to be running pine from a shell account and you > may need to setup a cron file to have procmail run at the ISP > or maybe the ISP does it on a per account basis? Look at > your procmail log file and see what it says, put it verbose mode. Yes, sometimes from the shell and sometimes locally and yes I use fetchmail when reading it locally. procmail is called from within my .forward "|IFS=' '&&exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #login" Isn't that sufficient to call procmail? -- Neil Anuskiewicz From neil at pacifier.com Tue Jul 9 01:23:27 2002 From: neil at pacifier.com (Neil Anuskiewicz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] spam filter not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > "|IFS=' '&&exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #login" Oh my God! I just realized that I have login instead of 'neil' right there. Why I could not see the obvious until right this minute, I have no idea. -- Neil Anuskiewicz From mark at mjbynum.org Tue Jul 9 05:38:25 2002 From: mark at mjbynum.org (Mark Bynum) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Personal Telco Project in lights! Message-ID: <20020709053825.B84877@agora.rdrop.com> I don't know if that article a couple of weeks ago was this same one about the Personal Telco Project but it's now on yahoo via cnet: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/cn/20020709/tc_cn/942323 The bottom lines say: Adam Shand of the Personal Telco Project in Portland, Ore., said he's negotiated agreements with two small Web providers in the Portland area. "Some ISPs say, 'What, are you crazy?'" he said. "Others, say, 'Why not? If it causes a problem, we'll let you know.'" Unfortunately, the article is about how broadband providers are cracking down on public wifi access. Mark From dcf at aracnet.com Tue Jul 9 06:52:40 2002 From: dcf at aracnet.com (David Fleck) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Q: Apache & streaming mp3 on lan In-Reply-To: <3D2A964D.6020301@pacifier.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Kyle Accardi wrote: > That's intuitative--not. Looks like a pocket of Linux inner-circleism, > I'm cool again, thanks. It's not a Linux thing. It's a Perl thing. -- David Fleck dcf@aracnet.com From deanm at sharplabs.com Tue Jul 9 08:46:34 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] need some xinerama/kde help, please Message-ID: <20020709154634.9491D10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> I've got the two heads running just fine. I've got the virtual desktop running under a single KDE invocation (KDE-2.2.2) so I can slide a window across screens. But there is some very annoying behaviour that I can't seem to rid myself of: -- If I horizontally maximise, say, an emacs window it maximises across the _entire_ virtual desktop, which, in most cases, is the wrong thing to do. -- When the kde screensaver comes up, it is centered in the virtual desktop not in one of the physical desktops---again the wrong thing to do. I've wasted a lot of time poking around in google and all I've discovered is that KDE 2.2.2 is supposed to be "xinerama-aware" but, from the above behaviour, it clearly isn't. What do I need to do to get kde to understand that I'm running xinerama? I'm running Mandrake 8.2 with stock KDE. Dean From neil at pacifier.com Tue Jul 9 09:21:09 2002 From: neil at pacifier.com (Neil Anuskiewicz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] The perfect spam filter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, I added the path to the .procmailrc and now things work perfectly! Also, I changed each /dev/null to spam And then I pretended to be a spammer to see if my filter catches things and it worked for a few things that I tried. If it succeeds at catching spam and only spam for awhile then I will, yikes, change it back to /dev/null Anyone think that is a bad idea? Changing it back to /dev/null after it works well for, say, a week or two? Ah, it will be nice to be relatively spam free. -- Neil Anuskiewicz From shahms at shahms.com Tue Jul 9 09:31:03 2002 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms E. King) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] The perfect spam filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1026232263.19985.12.camel@shahms> I use Cyrus and Sieve to do much the same thing and have it split: those rules of whose functioning I have no doubt I set to the sieve equivalent of /dev/null and new rules or rules which I know *might* catch legitimate emails I have dump into spam and occasionally I go through "Select All->Delete->Expunge" if I don't see any emails I want to keep. Much better than having to manually delete the mails from my inbox that are spam. Still have to deal with (some) of them, but it's much more managable. --Shahms On Tue, 2002-07-09 at 09:21, Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > Well, I added the path to the .procmailrc and now things work perfectly! > > Also, I changed each /dev/null to spam > > And then I pretended to be a spammer to see if my filter catches things > and it worked for a few things that I tried. If it succeeds at catching > spam and only spam for awhile then I will, yikes, change it back to > /dev/null > > Anyone think that is a bad idea? Changing it back to /dev/null after it > works well for, say, a week or two? > > Ah, it will be nice to be relatively spam free. > > > -- > Neil Anuskiewicz > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From sandbox at pacifier.com Tue Jul 9 09:35:04 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Q: Apache & streaming mp3 on lan References: Message-ID: <3D2B10B8.2020306@pacifier.com> Jeme A Brelin wrote: > On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Kyle Accardi wrote: > >>Didn't move it, but copied it from a place I'm sure perl didn't know >>existed. > > > And where was that? if you must know, /usr/local/Downloads/Apache-MP3-2.26/ > Personally, I'd recommend installing the package in a more conventional > location. Did you do a CPAN install of this thing or did you just > retrieve and build it with CPAN? I agree /etc/httpd/ is a stupid place for this module, but I now know it works (with IE anyway). I had grabbed a tarball which needed MP3::Info to be happy. I only found the interactive shell invocation in the 40-page CPAN man. So, that worked, but the notes never said where MP3.pm should end up. So just now, I decide to use CPAN again to `install Apache::MP3` and it wants to know where my apache src is. I don't have the source installed. Not sure why it needs it... >>Of course, this POS latest Mozilla can't pass the info to xmms >>correctly, but that for another bottle of wine. > Perhaps the wine is more part of the problem than the solution. Okay Dad. I tried on another Mozilla client and it looks I need to diddle with plugger.rc. Like I said Internet Exploder was happy and knew what to do so the server side of things is working. Cheers, Kyle Accardi From rsteff at attbi.com Tue Jul 9 09:58:36 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad wakeup problem Message-ID: <3D2B163B.E18005C7@attbi.com> What do I need to run to get my network connection back without rebooting? When I close the lid (without shutting down first) on my Thinkpad it goes into some kind of suspend mode. When I open the lid it comes out of that mode. Unfortunately, the machine appears to lose its network connection. It will work fine if I reboot, but I'm sure that's not really necessary in the Linux world; I just don't know the program to restart. I'm currently using RH 7.1. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Tue Jul 9 10:03:37 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (Cooper Stevenson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad wakeup problem In-Reply-To: <3D2B163B.E18005C7@attbi.com> References: <3D2B163B.E18005C7@attbi.com> Message-ID: <1026234218.23695.2.camel@pookie> On Tue, 2002-07-09 at 09:58, Richard Steffens wrote: > What do I need to run to get my network connection back without > rebooting? Try this as root: ifconfig eth0 down ifconfig eth0 up Also, does the BIOS have a setting that can prevent the power saving features from affecting the Ethernet interface? -Cooper > > -- ______________________________________________________ Cooper Stevenson |cooper@metasource.us UNIX/Linux Consultant |PH: (541)791-1322 MetaSource Technologies |www.metasource.us ------------------------------------------------------ From heinlein at attbi.com Tue Jul 9 10:05:42 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad wakeup problem In-Reply-To: <3D2B163B.E18005C7@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Richard Steffens wrote: > When I close the lid (without shutting down first) on my Thinkpad it > goes into some kind of suspend mode. When I open the lid it comes > out of that mode. Unfortunately, the machine appears to lose its > network connection. It will work fine if I reboot, but I'm sure > that's not really necessary in the Linux world; I just don't know > the program to restart. I'm currently using RH 7.1. Try '/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart'; it's hacky, but better than a reboot. --Paul Heinlein From derek at infotects.com Tue Jul 9 10:14:33 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad wakeup problem In-Reply-To: <3D2B163B.E18005C7@attbi.com> References: <3D2B163B.E18005C7@attbi.com> Message-ID: <1026234873.6088.52.camel@dereklinux> On Tue, 2002-07-09 at 09:58, Richard Steffens wrote: > What do I need to run to get my network connection back without > rebooting? > > When I close the lid (without shutting down first) on my Thinkpad it > goes into some kind of suspend mode. When I open the lid it comes out of > that mode. Unfortunately, the machine appears to lose its network > connection. It will work fine if I reboot, but I'm sure that's not > really necessary in the Linux world; I just don't know the program to > restart. I'm currently using RH 7.1. First, check to see if the modules are still loaded -- lsmod before and after closing the lid. If they are still loaded, you should be able to ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 or just pop the card out, then stuff it back in, that should reset it. Good Luck Derek Loree From rsteff at attbi.com Tue Jul 9 10:17:07 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad wakeup problem References: <3D2B163B.E18005C7@attbi.com> <1026234218.23695.2.camel@pookie> Message-ID: <3D2B1A93.360E5821@attbi.com> Cooper Stevenson wrote: > > What do I need to run to get my network connection back without > > rebooting? > > Try this as root: > > ifconfig eth0 down No complaints when I did that. > ifconfig eth0 up "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such device" when I did that. > Also, does the BIOS have a setting that can prevent the power saving > features from affecting the Ethernet interface? Don't know, but it doesn't have this problem with Win98. I'm trying to figure this out without shutting down, so I won't be able to look at the BIOS settings just yet. Paul Heinlein wrote: > Try '/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart'; it's hacky, but better than a > reboot. When I did that I got: Disabling IPv4 packet forwarding: [ OK ] Setting network parameters: [ OK ] Bringing up interface lo: [ OK ] Bringing up interface eth0: [ OK ] However, I still didn't have a network connection. Any other ideas before I reboot? -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From rsteff at attbi.com Tue Jul 9 10:30:08 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:57 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad wakeup problem References: <3D2B163B.E18005C7@attbi.com> <1026234873.6088.52.camel@dereklinux> Message-ID: <3D2B1DA0.7DA1550F@attbi.com> Derek Loree wrote: > First, check to see if the modules are still loaded -- lsmod before and > after closing the lid. After opening the lid, I ran lsmod and found (among other stuff): Module Size Used by 3c589_cs 8320 0 ds 7280 2 [3c589_cs] yenta_socket 11440 2 pcmcia_core 43072 0 [3c589_cs ds yenta_socket] > If they are still loaded, you should be able to > > ifdown eth0 > > ifup eth0 Didn't work. > or just pop the card out, then stuff it back in, that should reset it. This worked. This it the first, and only, PCMCIA card I've ever used. I'm not used to having the ability to hot-swap! That was pretty simple. On the other hand, it seems like I shouldn't have to do it; after all, I don't have to do it if the laptop is running Win98. I guess, for now, I won't worry about it. I'll be re-loading this machine with Debian soon. I'll pick it up again when I get that done. Thanks to all for your help. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From heinlein at attbi.com Tue Jul 9 10:31:38 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad wakeup problem In-Reply-To: <3D2B1A93.360E5821@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Richard Steffens wrote: > Any other ideas before I reboot? Yeah, gather some info before the reboot and compare it to what you get when things are working correctly: $ lsmod > /tmp/old.lsmod $ route > /tmp/old.route $ ifconfig > /tmp/old.ifconfig Once you've rebooted and things are working correctly, see if there are any substantial differences between the /tmp/old.* files and the working configuration. --Paul Heinlein From mike at computer-arts.net Tue Jul 9 10:30:51 2002 From: mike at computer-arts.net (Mike Witt) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Apache problem? References: <3D2A8B22.FE438F88@computer-arts.net> Message-ID: <3D2B1DCB.551AD675@computer-arts.net> Brent Rieck wrote: > > Looks like it's probably be Apache sending the wrong redirect url to the > browser when it redirects /~mike to /~mike/. Have you tried setting the > ServerName directive to "ServerName www.computer-arts.net" in httpd.conf > (or whatever file spec's the config for that site) Actually, I don't have the ServerName set. Thanks. However, the problem went away overnight, so I may never know if that's what it was or not :-) -Mike From dealy at deatech.com Tue Jul 9 10:35:47 2002 From: dealy at deatech.com (Shannon C. Dealy) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad wakeup problem In-Reply-To: <3D2B1A93.360E5821@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Richard Steffens wrote: [snip] > > However, I still didn't have a network connection. > > Any other ideas before I reboot? [snip] Assuming that the driver is a module rather than being hard linked into the kernel, you will probably need to: 1 - Bring the interface down using either "ifdown eth0" or by using the stop command with the appropriate /etc/init.d/xxxxx script to shut down the network interface. 2 - Remove the kernel module for the network card using the "rmmod " command. 3 - Insert the kernel module for the network card using the "insmod " command. 4 - Bring the ethernet interface back up using the "ifup eth0" or by using the start command with the appropriate /etc/init.d/xxxx script to restart the network interface. The reason for the above is that many drivers are poorly behaved when handling standby mode (this is true for pretty much every operating system), and will lose track of interrupts or other data when cycled through it. By doing the above, the driver is removed from the system, and by reinstalling it, it will go through full reinitialization which should clear the problem. Once you have verified if this will work, you can put the above in a simple shell script that can be run manually, or launched by the APM software on your system to make it recover automatically. Shannon C. Dealy | DeaTech Research Inc. dealy@deatech.com | - Custom Software Development - | Embedded Systems, Real-time, Device Drivers Phone: (800) 467-5820 | Networking, Scientific & Engineering Applications or: (541) 451-5177 | www.deatech.com From codeyeti at yahoo.com Tue Jul 9 10:40:00 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad wakeup problem References: <3D2B163B.E18005C7@attbi.com> <1026234873.6088.52.camel@dereklinux> <3D2B1DA0.7DA1550F@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3D2B1FEA.B18E3F31@yahoo.com> I think there's a script that you can run on suspend and wake-up. In the world of debian, it's something like /etc/apmd/post-wake. Just make it either restart the cardmanager or rescan the slots. The debian package asks you which one you want to do. I forget which one I use, I just know that it works ;^) --Mike Richard Steffens wrote: > Derek Loree wrote: > > > First, check to see if the modules are still loaded -- lsmod before and > > after closing the lid. > > After opening the lid, I ran lsmod and found (among other stuff): > > Module Size Used by > 3c589_cs 8320 0 > ds 7280 2 [3c589_cs] > yenta_socket 11440 2 > pcmcia_core 43072 0 [3c589_cs ds yenta_socket] > > > If they are still loaded, you should be able to > > > > ifdown eth0 > > > > ifup eth0 > > Didn't work. > > > or just pop the card out, then stuff it back in, that should reset it. > > This worked. This it the first, and only, PCMCIA card I've ever used. > I'm not used to having the ability to hot-swap! That was pretty simple. > On the other hand, it seems like I shouldn't have to do it; after all, I > don't have to do it if the laptop is running Win98. > > I guess, for now, I won't worry about it. I'll be re-loading this > machine with Debian soon. I'll pick it up again when I get that done. > > Thanks to all for your help. > > -- > Regards, > > Dick Steffens > "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" > http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas *Fscking* Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From AthlonRobNF at cs.com Tue Jul 9 10:46:51 2002 From: AthlonRobNF at cs.com (AthlonRob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad wakeup problem In-Reply-To: <3D2B163B.E18005C7@attbi.com> References: <3D2B163B.E18005C7@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020709104651.581bb237.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> On Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:58:36 -0700 "Richard Steffens" wrote: > When I close the lid (without shutting down first) on my Thinkpad it > goes into some kind of suspend mode. When I open the lid it comes out of > that mode. Unfortunately, the machine appears to lose its network > connection. It will work fine if I reboot, but I'm sure that's not > really necessary in the Linux world; I just don't know the program to > restart. The only time you should have to reboot Linux is after a hardware or kernel upgrade. :-) If RH utilizes PCMCIA stuff like Slackware does, then you might (should) be able to just run /etc/pcmcia/network stop eth0 /etc/pcmcia/network start eth0 And it should work. If that doesn't work, stop it, pull the card out, put the card back in, and start it, maybe. I really don't know how RH uses PCMCIA services, though. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they did it totally different than Slackware. If this and the other suggestions don't fix the problem, it almost sounds like it could be related to the hardware. Have you checked for a BIOS upgrade? When it doesn't come back up after resuming, do your routing tables look the same? Rob From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Jul 9 12:43:15 2002 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad wakeup problem References: <3D2B163B.E18005C7@attbi.com> <20020709104651.581bb237.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> Message-ID: <3D2B3CD3.6070800@parkrose.k12.or.us> AthlonRob wrote: > /etc/pcmcia/network stop eth0 > /etc/pcmcia/network start eth0 Sorta riffing off AthonRob and Paul Heinlein here: You mentioned that removing/reseating the pcmcia card works. In my experience, in Redhat a: /sbin/service pcmcia restart #similar/identical? to above suggestion will have the desired effect, i.e. the card resets, w/ beep and all. If the interface doesn't get ifup'ed on it's own, just follow that with: /sbin/service network restart or Mr. Heinlein's equivalent and more generic: /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart This combo seems to clear up weirdness I've had when dinking with my orinoco wi-fi card at home. YMMV. -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From rsteff at attbi.com Tue Jul 9 13:03:57 2002 From: rsteff at attbi.com (Richard Steffens) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad wakeup problem References: <3D2B163B.E18005C7@attbi.com> <20020709104651.581bb237.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> <3D2B3CD3.6070800@parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <3D2B41AD.FE07BA32@attbi.com> Dan Young wrote: > You mentioned that removing/reseating the pcmcia card works. In my > experience, in Redhat a: > > /sbin/service pcmcia restart #similar/identical? to above suggestion > > will have the desired effect, i.e. the card resets, w/ beep and all. Worked just fine. Thanks. Michael Smith wrote: > I think there's a script that you can run on suspend and wake-up. In the > world of debian, it's something like /etc/apmd/post-wake. Just make it > either restart the cardmanager or rescan the slots. The debian package asks > you which one you want to do. I forget which one I use, I just know that it > works ;^) Thanks, I'll file this one for later on when do the Debian install. And thanks again to everyone who responded. -- Regards, Dick Steffens "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" http://rsteff.home.attbi.com/ From seniorr at aracnet.com Tue Jul 9 13:06:52 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad wakeup problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86wus43btv.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "Paul" == Paul Heinlein writes: Paul> On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Richard Steffens wrote: >> Any other ideas before I reboot? Paul> Yeah, gather some info before the reboot and compare it to what Paul> you get when things are working correctly: Paul> $ lsmod > /tmp/old.lsmod $ route > /tmp/old.route $ ifconfig > Paul> /tmp/old.ifconfig Paul> Once you've rebooted [...] Heh. On the planet where I come from, /tmp is wiped on a reboot. Greetings Earthling! We come in Peace! ;-) -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From John at JohnTelford.com Tue Jul 9 13:45:37 2002 From: John at JohnTelford.com (John Telford) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] which NIC is which Message-ID: <20020709204537.GD26977@lnx2.labnet> I'm building routers. It's difficult to tell in advance which NIC will be assigned eth0 and which will assigned eth1 when using two NICs. Ping testing usually clears up the identification problem. The identification problem gets worse when adding a third NIC, after sorting out the first two NICs. Frequently the eth0 or eth1 assignment for the first two NICs change. Of course adding a fourth and fifth NIC multiplies the identification problem. Yes, some of my routers are supporting five network segments. My question is, what's the algorithm for assigning Ethernet designations? I know it not placement order in the PCI bus, and I know its not the NIC data-link address. So what is it? Thanks ...John -- John Telford - Owner JohnTelford.com LLC 503-292-6865 - fax:503-292-3094 john@johntelford.com - www.johntelford.com From jeff at jhenshaw.com Tue Jul 9 07:00:19 2002 From: jeff at jhenshaw.com (J Henshaw) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] which NIC is which References: <20020709204537.GD26977@lnx2.labnet> Message-ID: <035e01c22750$f5eaade0$0400a8c0@oem2k> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Telford" To: "plug" Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:45 PM Subject: [PLUG] which NIC is which > I'm building routers. It's difficult to tell in advance which NIC will > be assigned eth0 and which will assigned eth1 when using two NICs. Ping > testing usually clears up the identification problem. > > The identification problem gets worse when adding a third NIC, after > sorting out the first two NICs. Frequently the eth0 or eth1 assignment > for the first two NICs change. > > Of course adding a fourth and fifth NIC multiplies the identification > problem. Yes, some of my routers are supporting five network segments. > > My question is, what's the algorithm for assigning Ethernet > designations? I know it not placement order in the PCI bus, and I know > its not the NIC data-link address. > > So what is it? > > Thanks ...John I/O Address I think. Say, 0x240 will load before 0x320. So, if you can massage those you can massage NIC assignments. jH From seniorr at aracnet.com Tue Jul 9 14:07:47 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] which NIC is which In-Reply-To: <20020709204537.GD26977@lnx2.labnet> References: <20020709204537.GD26977@lnx2.labnet> Message-ID: <86k7o4390c.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "John" == John Telford writes: John> I'm building routers. It's difficult to tell in advance which John> NIC will be assigned eth0 and which will assigned eth1 when John> using two NICs. Ping testing usually clears up the John> identification problem. John> The identification problem gets worse when adding a third NIC, John> after sorting out the first two NICs. Frequently the eth0 or John> eth1 assignment for the first two NICs change. John> Of course adding a fourth and fifth NIC multiplies the John> identification problem. Yes, some of my routers are supporting John> five network segments. John> My question is, what's the algorithm for assigning Ethernet John> designations? I know it not placement order in the PCI bus, and John> I know its not the NIC data-link address. Might have to do with the order modules are loaded. I really don't know, so I'd appreciate a definitive answer also. If you _really_ want to get interfaces deterministically, probably need something that will get-eth-by-mac-address. Find out what mac address the NIC has and then compute the interface and assign it to an environment variable and the use that in your configuration script. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From derek at infotects.com Tue Jul 9 14:26:14 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] which NIC is which In-Reply-To: <20020709204537.GD26977@lnx2.labnet> References: <20020709204537.GD26977@lnx2.labnet> Message-ID: <1026249975.19309.72.camel@dereklinux> On Tue, 2002-07-09 at 13:45, John Telford wrote: > I'm building routers. It's difficult to tell in advance which NIC will > be assigned eth0 and which will assigned eth1 when using two NICs. Ping > testing usually clears up the identification problem. > > The identification problem gets worse when adding a third NIC, after > sorting out the first two NICs. Frequently the eth0 or eth1 assignment > for the first two NICs change. > > Of course adding a fourth and fifth NIC multiplies the identification > problem. Yes, some of my routers are supporting five network segments. > > My question is, what's the algorithm for assigning Ethernet > designations? I know it not placement order in the PCI bus, and I know > its not the NIC data-link address. > > So what is it? I know the order of the modules can change the eth ordering, but if you use the same module for all cards, it will be determined by how the kernel probes the pci bus. I think that will be by I/O address, but I'm not positive. This could be tested with cards that allow hard-setting of the I/O and some time swapping cards. HTH Derek From codeyeti at yahoo.com Tue Jul 9 14:36:01 2002 From: codeyeti at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Thinkpad wakeup problem References: <3D2B163B.E18005C7@attbi.com> <20020709104651.581bb237.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> <3D2B3CD3.6070800@parkrose.k12.or.us> <3D2B41AD.FE07BA32@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3D2B5742.D5EDB870@yahoo.com> I checked, and debian has an /etc/apm/event.d that it runs whenever it suspends or resumes. It has a pcmcia script in there which starts and stops the pcmcia driver whenever you make an apm event. It's all configured via /etc/pcmcia/apm.conf which has one line in it... on or off. Gluck Auf --Mike Richard Steffens wrote: > Michael Smith wrote: > > > I think there's a script that you can run on suspend and wake-up. In the > > world of debian, it's something like /etc/apmd/post-wake. Just make it > > either restart the cardmanager or rescan the slots. The debian package asks > > you which one you want to do. I forget which one I use, I just know that it > > works ;^) > > Thanks, I'll file this one for later on when do the Debian install. > > And thanks again to everyone who responded. > > -- > Regards, -- "Ask a Soviet engineer to design a pair of shoes and he'll come up with something that looks like the boxes that the shoes came in; ask him to make something that will massacre Germans, and he turns into Thomas *Fscking* Edison." --Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon From jeff at jhenshaw.com Tue Jul 9 07:44:54 2002 From: jeff at jhenshaw.com (J Henshaw) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] which NIC is which References: <20020709204537.GD26977@lnx2.labnet> <1026249975.19309.72.camel@dereklinux> Message-ID: <03bb01c22757$30445da0$0400a8c0@oem2k> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Loree" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [PLUG] which NIC is which > On Tue, 2002-07-09 at 13:45, John Telford wrote: > > I'm building routers. It's difficult to tell in advance which NIC will > > be assigned eth0 and which will assigned eth1 when using two NICs. Ping > > testing usually clears up the identification problem. > > > > The identification problem gets worse when adding a third NIC, after > > sorting out the first two NICs. Frequently the eth0 or eth1 assignment > > for the first two NICs change. > > > > Of course adding a fourth and fifth NIC multiplies the identification > > problem. Yes, some of my routers are supporting five network segments. > > > > My question is, what's the algorithm for assigning Ethernet > > designations? I know it not placement order in the PCI bus, and I know > > its not the NIC data-link address. > > > > So what is it? > > I know the order of the modules can change the eth ordering, but if you > use the same module for all cards, it will be determined by how the > kernel probes the pci bus. I think that will be by I/O address, but I'm > not positive. This could be tested with cards that allow hard-setting > of the I/O and some time swapping cards. > > HTH > > Derek Another factor will be the characteristics of the driver; for example the 3c503.o looks for default IO addresses, in a certain order. If you have a 3c503 set up with a non-default ( as defined by the driver ) IO port it might skip the lower IO port card for the first card with a driver hard-coded port. From n6jpa at attbi.com Tue Jul 9 19:00:17 2002 From: n6jpa at attbi.com (Keith) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Problem with running X as root Message-ID: modprobe: Can't locate module sis [drm] failed to load kernel module "sis" (EE) SIS(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. I can run X with all users accounts, but X is no longer working with root. When I startx I get the above line. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks. -- Best Regards, Keith NW Oregon Radio http://n6jpa.home.attbi.com/ Church of the Bourne Again Shell. Tux, Save us from the evil Gates of Hell! http://linux.com http://freebsd.org http://apple.com From ross at principia.edu Tue Jul 9 19:53:19 2002 From: ross at principia.edu (Ross Brattain) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] need some xinerama/kde help, please In-Reply-To: <20020709154634.9491D10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> References: <20020709154634.9491D10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Message-ID: <878z4kz42o.fsf@maas-neotek.attbi.com> "Dean S. Messing" writes: > I've got the two heads running just fine. > I've got the virtual desktop running under a single > KDE invocation (KDE-2.2.2) so I can slide a window > across screens. > > But there is some very annoying behaviour that I can't seem > to rid myself of: > > -- If I horizontally maximise, say, an emacs window it > maximises across the _entire_ virtual desktop, which, in most cases, > is the wrong thing to do. > > -- When the kde screensaver comes up, it is centered in the virtual > desktop not in one of the physical desktops---again the wrong > thing to do. Unfortunately this is the correct behavior for Xinerama. It treats both heads as one big virtual desktop. You can run without Xinerama and lose the ability to drag windows between heads, X will treat the two heads as different screens. The first head is :0.0 and the second head is :0.1 etc. You can run programs on different screens by adjusting your $DISPLAY, you just can't drag things between them, and you would end up having different virtual desktops for each display. So you can mix and match virtual desktops on each screen, e.g. :0.0 showing virtual desktop 1 and :0.1 showing virtual desktop 2. Progams will be limited to the screen they were run on and maximize accordingly. To do this just turn off Xinerema and make sure the KDE window manager supports multiple screens as it is the window manager's responiblity to do so. I use ctwm which requires an extra switch to start up on all available screens. I know enlightenment also supports multiple screens too. Hope this clears things up. BTW with an AGP and PCI matrox card it is possible to do 4 heads. I highly suggest it. -Ross From sandy at herring.org Tue Jul 9 21:16:19 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Problem with running X as root In-Reply-To: ; from n6jpa@attbi.com on Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 07:00:17PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020709211619.A1240@kippered.herring.org> *googling* Does this help? http://www.ispep.cx/~x-empt/HOWTO/radeon_dri_howto.txt (see II. Installation) Also of interest... http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsis630.shtml Sandy On Tue, 09 Jul 2002, Keith wrote: > modprobe: Can't locate module sis > [drm] failed to load kernel module "sis" > (EE) SIS(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. > > I can run X with all users accounts, but X is no longer > working with root. When I startx I get the above line. > Anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks. > > > -- > Best Regards, Keith -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/attachments/20020709/468f0cce/attachment.bin From dealy at deatech.com Tue Jul 9 21:44:18 2002 From: dealy at deatech.com (Shannon C. Dealy) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] need some xinerama/kde help, please In-Reply-To: <878z4kz42o.fsf@maas-neotek.attbi.com> Message-ID: On 9 Jul 2002, Ross Brattain wrote: [snip] > > But there is some very annoying behaviour that I can't seem > > to rid myself of: > > > > -- If I horizontally maximise, say, an emacs window it > > maximises across the _entire_ virtual desktop, which, in most cases, > > is the wrong thing to do. > > > > -- When the kde screensaver comes up, it is centered in the virtual > > desktop not in one of the physical desktops---again the wrong > > thing to do. > > Unfortunately this is the correct behavior for Xinerama. It treats > both heads as one big virtual desktop. [snip] Not entirely correct, Xinerama is just the way the X display behaves, it is your window manager that determines the behavior when you maximize the window. What is needed is a Xinerama aware window manager that operates in the manner you expect, or which can at least be configured to operate this way. There are at least two or three window managers which are Xinerama aware in their more recent versions, and will behave in a somewhat more correct manner. I am currently using Enlightenment with my setup as it seemed to work the best for me (though I think it is one of the most bloated window managers around), and maximizing a window only maximizes it on the current display. I am not sure what the screen saver does as I use a rather bland one that has no real center point so I don't know if it is centered or not. I am currently running it with Gnome, but I think it is also KDE aware. Shannon C. Dealy | DeaTech Research Inc. dealy@deatech.com | - Custom Software Development - | Embedded Systems, Real-time, Device Drivers Phone: (800) 467-5820 | Networking, Scientific & Engineering Applications or: (541) 451-5177 | www.deatech.com From dmandel at pdxLinux.org Tue Jul 9 23:43:40 2002 From: dmandel at pdxLinux.org (David Mandel) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] ANNOUNCEMENT: July PLUG Meeting Message-ID: MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT The Portland Linux/Unix Group will meet 7 PM Thursday Jul 11, 2002 at It's a Beautiful Pizza 3342 SE Belmont Portland, Oregon ********************************************************** PRESENTATION Problem Session We will discuss short topics I'm late announcing this meeting because I haven't been able to line up a speaker for July. It has been a problem as we will not have a projector available and a lot of people are out of town on vacation. However, come and order Pizza and beer and we will discuss whatever comes up. We have done this in the past and it actually works out well to have a session devoted to problems and short topics from time to time. ********************************************************** Agenda: 7:00 - 7:30 Business We will discuss the status of our ongoing projects including the monthly hands on clinics, PLUG for Education, etc. 7:30 - 8:30 Presentation See above 9:00 - ... Beer Instead of going to The Lucky Labrador like usual, we are have beer and pizza during the meeting. David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 1440 NE 59th Portland, Oregon 97213 (360) 260-2066 land (541) 730-5285 cell dmandel@pdxLinux.org P.S. The Mid Willamette Valley Linux Users Group meets at 2 PM on first Saturday of the month at Peak Inc in Corvallis. See http://lug.peak.org/ for details. P.S. The Eugene Linux Users Group meets regularly. See http://www.euglug.org for details. ====================================================================== David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com Other Affliations David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org Netule http://Netule.org ====================================================================== From n6jpa at attbi.com Wed Jul 10 01:14:02 2002 From: n6jpa at attbi.com (Keith) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Problem with running X as root In-Reply-To: <20020709211619.A1240@kippered.herring.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Sandy Herring wrote: > *googling* Does this help? > > http://www.ispep.cx/~x-empt/HOWTO/radeon_dri_howto.txt > (see II. Installation) > > > Also of interest... > > http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsis630.shtml > > Sandy > Thanks, I have decided to roll back to RH 7.2. I had too many glitches with 7.3, Xfree and other programs. Also KDE 3.0 is too slow and I can't stand gnome. :) -- Best Regards, Keith NW Oregon Radio http://n6jpa.home.attbi.com/ Church of the Bourne Again Shell. Tux, Save us from the evil Gates of Hell! http://linux.com http://freebsd.org http://apple.com From Patrick.Leckey at xist.com Wed Jul 10 05:42:25 2002 From: Patrick.Leckey at xist.com (Patrick Leckey) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package Message-ID: <20020710084225.A1961@melvin.leckey.net> Ok, so my roommates now want me to set them up with portable e-mail accounts on my server like I have for myself, by they are *nix illiterate. The obvious solution: webmail. So, what are your favourite webmail packages and why? ;) -- Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey@xist.com] XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 From miken at europa.com Wed Jul 10 07:01:58 2002 From: miken at europa.com (Mike Neal) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Notebooks Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020710070158.00e818d8@pop.europa.com> Hi, Are any of the "brand name" companies currently shipping notebooks with Linux installed? Thanks, Mike From steve at wirex.net Wed Jul 10 07:24:08 2002 From: steve at wirex.net (Steve Beattie) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] The perfect spam filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020710142405.GA23360@wirex.net> On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 09:21:09AM -0700, Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > And then I pretended to be a spammer to see if my filter catches things > and it worked for a few things that I tried. If it succeeds at catching > spam and only spam for awhile then I will, yikes, change it back to > /dev/null > > Anyone think that is a bad idea? Changing it back to /dev/null after it > works well for, say, a week or two? I'm using spamassassin, not hand-rolled spam filter rules, but the general principal is the same, in that unless you consider the possibility of lost legitimate email unimportant, I would recommend against sending it to /dev/null. I dump my likely spam to a folder that every couple of weeks I open to see if it trapped any legitimate mail. Because I abhor the thought of spam taking up any more precious disk space than necessary, I have procmail gzip it -- here's my relavent procmail rule: :0: * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes, | gzip >> spam.gz Mutt, with the compressed folder patch applied, will read that just like any other normal (uncompressed) mail folder. > Ah, it will be nice to be relatively spam free. Indeed, spamassasin, while not perfect, has made a significant improvement to my email. -- Steve Beattie Don't trust programmers? Complete StackGuard distro at http://NxNW.org/~steve/ immunix.org http://www.personaltelco.net -- overthrowing QWest, one block at a time. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/attachments/20020710/b6ab09fa/attachment.bin From raanders at acm.org Wed Jul 10 07:18:42 2002 From: raanders at acm.org (Roderick A. Anderson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package In-Reply-To: <20020710084225.A1961@melvin.leckey.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Patrick Leckey wrote: > Ok, so my roommates now want me to set them up with portable > e-mail accounts on my server like I have for myself, by they are *nix > illiterate. The obvious solution: webmail. So, what are your > favourite webmail packages and why? Can't offer favorites because I use them so rarely. I have installed and used W3Mail but because I didn't use it a lot and it was installed as a stop-gap for s few customers I never checked if all the features worked and how well they worked. One really neat feature was it allowed multiple POP/IMAP servers. So I could allow someone to get to their account on adifferent system if their service provider didn't off (or had a brain desd) webmail. I just started installing sparkle (aka. acmemail). I've lurked on the mailing list for awhile and choose it becuase it looks nice (user-interface) and real effort was being placed towards defaging attachments and IMAP/folder support. I should have it installed in a couple of days and will let you know what I think of it. Rod -- "Open Source Software - Sometimes you get more than you paid for..." From heinlein at attbi.com Wed Jul 10 07:23:55 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package In-Reply-To: <20020710084225.A1961@melvin.leckey.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Patrick Leckey wrote: > The obvious solution: webmail. My vote for the obvious solution goes to IMAP over SSL, easily handled by a multitude of mail clients. --Paul Heinlein From sean at fork.com Wed Jul 10 07:37:06 2002 From: sean at fork.com (Sean Whitney) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package In-Reply-To: <20020710084225.A1961@melvin.leckey.net> References: <20020710084225.A1961@melvin.leckey.net> Message-ID: <20020710143707.18E1C2EFE1@einstein.seansdomain.org> Check out neomail http://neomail.sourceforge.net/ Sean On Wednesday 10 July 2002 05:42, you hammered at the keyboard: > Ok, so my roommates now want me to set them up with portable e-mail > accounts on my server like I have for myself, by they are *nix illiterate. > The obvious solution: webmail. So, what are your favourite webmail > packages and why? > > ;) -- feature, n: A surprising property of a program. Occasionaly documented. To call a property a feature sometimes means the author did not consider that case, and the program makes an unexpected, though not necessarily wrong response. See BUG. "That's not a bug, it's a feature!" A bug can be changed to a feature by documenting it. From jon at manymoons.net Wed Jul 10 07:27:28 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Notebooks In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020710070158.00e818d8@pop.europa.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20020710070158.00e818d8@pop.europa.com> Message-ID: <1026311248.25461.229.camel@lana.manymoons.net> I can't answer your question, but if you do get a notebook avoid the Trident CyberBlade video card. I got a great deal on a Compaq Presario but I didn't realize that the CyberBlade was the video card (apparently it is not uncommon in notebooks) and it is only somewhat supported in X. On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 07:01, Mike Neal wrote: > Hi, > > Are any of the "brand name" companies currently shipping notebooks with > Linux installed? > > Thanks, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From m at netpro.to Wed Jul 10 07:41:31 2002 From: m at netpro.to (Matt Alexander) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package In-Reply-To: <20020710084225.A1961@melvin.leckey.net> Message-ID: Check out IMP: http://horde.org On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Patrick Leckey wrote: > Ok, so my roommates now want me to set them up with portable e-mail accounts on my server like I have for > myself, by they are *nix illiterate. The obvious solution: webmail. So, what are your favourite webmail packages and > why? > > ;) > > > -- > Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey@xist.com] > XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology > http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From garry at pdxnet.com Wed Jul 10 08:32:14 2002 From: garry at pdxnet.com (Garry L. Thompson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1026315135.5378.1.camel@garry> Check out twiggi, I and several friends have been using it for several months now and works great. The only negative is that it is a bit sluggish. 'Course, this could be because I'm running it in on a 166mhz Pentium :-) On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 07:41, Matt Alexander wrote: > Check out IMP: http://horde.org > > > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Patrick Leckey wrote: > > > Ok, so my roommates now want me to set them up with portable e-mail accounts on my server like I have for > > myself, by they are *nix illiterate. The obvious solution: webmail. So, what are your favourite webmail packages and > > why? > > > > ;) > > > > > > -- > > Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey@xist.com] > > XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology > > http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From n6jpa at attbi.com Wed Jul 10 08:41:19 2002 From: n6jpa at attbi.com (Keith) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Notebooks In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020710070158.00e818d8@pop.europa.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Mike Neal wrote: > Hi, > > Are any of the "brand name" companies currently shipping notebooks with > Linux installed? > > Thanks, > Mike IBM does, do a search at google.com. http://www.elinuxnotebooks.com/ -- Best Regards, Keith NW Oregon Radio http://n6jpa.home.attbi.com/ Church of the Bourne Again Shell. Tux, Save us from the evil Gates of Hell! http://linux.com http://freebsd.org http://apple.com From mikeraz at patch.com Wed Jul 10 08:54:34 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz@patch.com) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package In-Reply-To: <20020710084225.A1961@melvin.leckey.net>; from Patrick.Leckey@xist.com on Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 08:42:25AM -0400 References: <20020710084225.A1961@melvin.leckey.net> Message-ID: <20020710085434.C4584@patch.com> On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 08:42:25AM -0400, Patrick Leckey typed: > Ok, so my roommates now want me to set them up with portable e-mail accounts on my server like I have for > myself, by they are *nix illiterate. The obvious solution: webmail. So, what are your favourite webmail packages and > why? IMAP running on port 8080 to get through the corporate firewall? SysAdmin Magazine just had an article on squirrelmail. The author considered it a "no contest" winner. -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity http://www.patch.com/ http://wiki.patch.com/ http://blog.patch.com/sandbox/ "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin and the fortune cookie says: That feeling just came over me. -- Albert DeSalvo, the "Boston Strangler" From neil at pacifier.com Wed Jul 10 08:57:40 2002 From: neil at pacifier.com (Neil Anuskiewicz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] The perfect spam filter In-Reply-To: <20020710142405.GA23360@wirex.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Steve Beattie wrote: > > Anyone think that is a bad idea? Changing it back to /dev/null after it > > works well for, say, a week or two? > > I'm using spamassassin, not hand-rolled spam filter rules, but the > general principal is the same, in that unless you consider the > possibility of lost legitimate email unimportant, I would recommend > against sending it to /dev/null. Hey Steve. That seems to be the consensus. I am now sending all spam to a spam mail folder. Today I have added as I am sick of all the spam from *.tw: :0 *^From:.*com.tw spam :0 *^From:.*net.tw spam You guys know the spam which, if you have HTML turned on usually has a picture of someone on a skateboard and so on. I find those spams second in irritation only to the spam that "Welcomes" you to a daily email announcement list. "Welcome to Daily Tuperware News!" -- Neil Anuskiewicz From neil at pacifier.com Wed Jul 10 09:00:04 2002 From: neil at pacifier.com (Neil Anuskiewicz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package In-Reply-To: <20020710084225.A1961@melvin.leckey.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Patrick Leckey wrote: > Ok, so my roommates now want me to set them up with portable e-mail accounts on my server like I have for > myself, by they are *nix illiterate. The obvious solution: webmail. So, what are your favourite webmail packages and > why? Or the alternative is to let them ssh in and start a shell session and use pine or whatever to read their mail. That is what I did while in Europe. Stop in a Cybercafe, and quickly go through my email. I tried Webmail and it was a bit slow and cumbersome. -- Neil Anuskiewicz From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Jul 10 09:51:10 2002 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package References: <20020710084225.A1961@melvin.leckey.net> <20020710085434.C4584@patch.com> Message-ID: <3D2C65FE.9020101@parkrose.k12.or.us> mikeraz@patch.com wrote: > IMAP running on port 8080 to get through the corporate firewall? Tunnel this w/ ssl, as Paul Heinlein recommended. > SysAdmin Magazine just had an article on squirrelmail. The author > considered it a "no contest" winner. I'll second the Squirrelmail recommendation. It's pure HTML (if you avoid the javascript spellchecker and a few other doodads) and lots of plugins are available. -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From mikeraz at patch.com Wed Jul 10 09:16:25 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz@patch.com) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package In-Reply-To: <3D2C65FE.9020101@parkrose.k12.or.us>; from dan_young@parkrose.k12.or.us on Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 09:51:10AM -0700 References: <20020710084225.A1961@melvin.leckey.net> <20020710085434.C4584@patch.com> <3D2C65FE.9020101@parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20020710091625.A4917@patch.com> On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 09:51:10AM -0700, Dan Young typed: > mikeraz@patch.com wrote: > > IMAP running on port 8080 to get through the corporate firewall? > > Tunnel this w/ ssl, as Paul Heinlein recommended. No! No! Stop! I was kidding. a) he was asking about how to help his *nix illiterate roomates, No corp firewalls involved b) Your security department will not look upon this kindly c) I'd really hate to disable access to port 8080 after someone uses this idea -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity http://www.patch.com/ http://wiki.patch.com/ http://blog.patch.com/sandbox/ "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin and the fortune cookie says: An ambassador is an honest man sent abroad to lie and intrigue for the benefit of his country. -- Sir Henry Wotton, 1568-1639 From allyn at well.com Wed Jul 10 09:21:46 2002 From: allyn at well.com (Mark Allyn) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Driver for SmartDisk FlashPath Message-ID: Hi: I am trying to find any linux drivers for the SmartDisk FlashPath floppy that is used for the memory for digital cameras. Has any of you had experience using these under Linux? I tried the Smartdisk web site and all they had for download were Windows and Mac. Thank you Mark Allyn From Patrick.Leckey at xist.com Wed Jul 10 08:22:56 2002 From: Patrick.Leckey at xist.com (Patrick Leckey) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:58 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package In-Reply-To: <3D2C65FE.9020101@parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <20020710084225.A1961@melvin.leckey.net> <20020710085434.C4584@patch.com> <3D2C65FE.9020101@parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20020710112256.A2233@melvin.leckey.net> I appreciate all the input. I guess I should have mentioned that it has to do POP3 as my home mail box is a POP3 machine, and the whole ssh-ing in thing is out - Like I said, they're *nix illiterate, and would run scared for the hills if they even saw a command line prompt. It has to be something they can http to from any computer at school, work, home or girlfriends house. I noticed somebody reccommended neomail. I tried "openmail", which is based on neomail. Unfortunately, it has to run setuid root, and as my machine is a little 120MHz box, the setuid gets caught in the race condition and just gives me a "Can't do setuid". Pat. On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 09:51:10AM -0700, Dan Young wrote: > mikeraz@patch.com wrote: > >IMAP running on port 8080 to get through the corporate firewall? > > Tunnel this w/ ssl, as Paul Heinlein recommended. > > >SysAdmin Magazine just had an article on squirrelmail. The author > >considered it a "no contest" winner. > > I'll second the Squirrelmail recommendation. It's pure HTML (if you > avoid the javascript spellchecker and a few other doodads) and lots of > plugins are available. > > -Dan Young > -Parkrose School District > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey@xist.com] XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 From alex at daniloff.com Wed Jul 10 08:26:22 2002 From: alex at daniloff.com (Alex Daniloff) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Telnet over SSL In-Reply-To: <20020710085434.C4584@patch.com> Message-ID: <200207101526.g6AFQM713384@gate.daniloff.com> Hello Linux folkz, I want to be able to securely telnet to my box over Internet. If I would do it over SSL it means that another outside box I'm telneting from should have SSL installed as well, but it's not always possible. Is there any way to secure telnet connection if SSL is not available on a client outside box. Thank you in advance for any thoughts or suggestions. Alex From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Jul 10 10:34:59 2002 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package References: <20020710084225.A1961@melvin.leckey.net> <20020710085434.C4584@patch.com> <3D2C65FE.9020101@parkrose.k12.or.us> <20020710091625.A4917@patch.com> Message-ID: <3D2C7043.4020208@parkrose.k12.or.us> mikeraz@patch.com wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 09:51:10AM -0700, Dan Young typed: > >>mikeraz@patch.com wrote: >> >>>IMAP running on port 8080 to get through the corporate firewall? >> >>Tunnel this w/ ssl, as Paul Heinlein recommended. > > > No! No! Stop! I was kidding. Gotcha. Sarcasm in e-mail w/o smileys makes my head hurt. :-) -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From russj at dimstar.net Wed Jul 10 09:59:38 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] The perfect spam filter In-Reply-To: <20020710142405.GA23360@wirex.net> References: <20020710142405.GA23360@wirex.net> Message-ID: <20020710095938.3e37566d.russj@dimstar.net> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:24:08 -0700 Steve Beattie wrote: > I dump my likely spam to a folder that every couple of weeks I open > to see if it trapped any legitimate mail. Because I abhor the thought > of spam taking up any more precious disk space than necessary, I have > procmail gzip it -- here's my relavent procmail rule: Gee, you must not get much spam. :) I look through the spam folder all the time, because I get between 20 and 50 spams per day. If I let it build up for a week, I'd be there for an hour checking to see if there's anything legitimate. I've had spamassassin running for 6 months now, and it's maybe caught 5 legitimate emails as spam. But you are correct. Sending it to /dev/null is final. You'll never know if something DOES start getting misdirected. Instead of zipping it, I just delete it after looking through the folder. No problem, no storage. :) -- "The power to untie is stronger than the power to tie." Well, yeah, otherwise my shoes would tie themselves. --- Russ Johnson Stargate Online http://www.dimstar.net telnet://telnet.dimstar.net ICQ: 3739685:Airneil From dmandel at pdxLinux.org Wed Jul 10 10:19:25 2002 From: dmandel at pdxLinux.org (David Mandel) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package In-Reply-To: <20020710112256.A2233@melvin.leckey.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Patrick Leckey wrote: ... > > I noticed somebody reccommended neomail. I tried "openmail", which is based on neomail. Unfortunately, it has to run > setuid root, and as my machine is a little 120MHz box, the setuid gets caught in the race condition and just gives me a > "Can't do setuid". > ... We use neomail as part of the Netule EM-I email server. We selected it after testing a number of alternatives. For the most part we are quite happy with neomail. It is simple and easy to use and generally works well. We set it up be accessed via ssl which is nice. However, (1) We wish it had a spell checker built-in. (2) We wish it had a system to build procmail or other SPAM control rules. (3) We wish it had a few more features, but for our purposes nothing real important is missing. (4) It hasn't handle super huge posting well. Neomail will try to put a 100+ mb posting in RAM, which can lead to bad things - like frozen systems. Fortunately, this rarely happens in practice and one can prevent this by banning super huge postings in sendmail or postfix or whereever. Overall, we like neomail but may consider alternatives in the future. Sincerely, David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 1440 NE 59th Portland, Oregon 97213 (360) 260-2066 at work (541) 730-5285 cell ====================================================================== David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com Other Affiliations David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org ====================================================================== From seniorr at aracnet.com Wed Jul 10 10:37:37 2002 From: seniorr at aracnet.com (Russell Senior) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] The perfect spam filter In-Reply-To: <20020710095938.3e37566d.russj@dimstar.net> References: <20020710142405.GA23360@wirex.net> <20020710095938.3e37566d.russj@dimstar.net> Message-ID: <86wus3trfi.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> > Steve Beattie wrote: Steve> I dump my likely spam to a folder that every couple of weeks Steve> I open to see if it trapped any legitimate mail. Because I Steve> abhor the thought of spam taking up any more precious disk Steve> space than necessary, I have procmail gzip it -- here's my Steve> relavent procmail rule: I actually *keep* virtually all of my junk mail. The idea is to have a database of rejects to test/train a rejection filter with. Not that I've done that yet, but disk is cheap. And it's not that I don't get spam, I get *lots* of it. Hundreds a day. With Spam Assassin out-of-the-box, I am only seeing about a half-dozen a day, and I manually move that to the junk-mail folder. The only junk I actually delete are the ones with *huge* attachments. -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' From griffint at aracnet.com Wed Jul 10 08:57:03 2002 From: griffint at aracnet.com (Terry Griffin) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package In-Reply-To: <20020710084225.A1961@melvin.leckey.net> from "Patrick Leckey" at Jul 10, 2002 08:42:25 AM Message-ID: <200207101557.g6AFv3o12051@shell1.aracnet.com> > > Ok, so my roommates now want me to set them up with portable e-mail accounts on my server like I have for > myself, by they are *nix illiterate. The obvious solution: webmail. So, what are your favourite webmail packages and > why? > I nominate SquirrelMail for your consideration. It's a PHP-based IMAP client with special attention paid to making sure it works with every imaginable browser. It has an active developer community and is extendable via a plug-in architecture. http://www.squirrelmail.org/ Terry -- Terry Griffin http://www.blindchicken.com/~terryg/ From miker at netsailer.com Mon Jul 8 17:38:36 2002 From: miker at netsailer.com (Mike Russell) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] DNS RH7.2 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020708173824.00ac8980@mail.netsailer.com> Hello, I had some trouble over the last couple of days. I stopped receiving email, do to the holidays I did not think much of it, But then it looked strange after the second day. I started checking; send email between my two servers, it comes in fine, two different domains. send out side my network and it never get there, no error responds. send to my domain never gets there. no error.?? check a "dig" on my server, comes back normal. check "dig" from my other server, comes back normal. send email from my other server, running another domain master, goes out normally. ok now being a newbie I am confused. start double checking named files between the two servers. compare; named.conf "domain.zone" "ip.addr-arp.zone" both servers look exactly the same except one is a ".net" and the other is a ".com" I have stop and started service rebooted server.. after reboot the "dig" started failing. aaugh a clue. I start "startx" and look at the DNS configurator, nothing but "loopback" and "localhost" ?? hhhmm I say, recreate the mydomain.com and the "in-addr.arpa" in the configurator, and now all is well. My question is why and/or how did this happen. have not touch the server for month. From miker at netsailer.com Mon Jul 8 17:35:35 2002 From: miker at netsailer.com (Mike Russell) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] DNS RH7.2 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020708171626.00ac6ec0@mail.netsailer.com> Hello, I had some trouble over the last couple of days. I stopped receiving email, do to the holidays I did not think much of it, But then it looked strange after the second day. I started checking; send email between my two servers, it comes in fine, two different domains. send out side my network and it never get there, no error responds. send to my domain never gets there. no error.?? check a "dig" on my server, comes back normal. check "dig" from my other server, comes back normal. send email from my other server, running another domain master, goes out normally. ok now being a newbie I am confused. start double checking named files between the two servers. compare; named.conf "domain.zone" "ip.addr-arp.zone" both servers look exactly the same except one is a ".net" and the other is a ".com" I have stop and started service rebooted server.. after reboot the "dig" started failing. aaugh a clue. I start "startx" and look at the DNS configurator, nothing but "loopback" and "localhost" ?? hhhmm I say, recreate the mydomain.com and the "in-addr.arpa" in the configurator, and now all is well. My question is why and/or how did this happen. have not touch the server for month. From deanm at sharplabs.com Wed Jul 10 11:22:38 2002 From: deanm at sharplabs.com (Dean S. Messing) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] need some xinerama/kde help, please In-Reply-To: <878z4kz42o.fsf@maas-neotek.attbi.com> (message from Ross Brattain on 09 Jul 2002 19:53:19 -0700) References: <20020709154634.9491D10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> <878z4kz42o.fsf@maas-neotek.attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020710182238.1288610E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Thanks Ross for your comments. My remarks are interspersed below. :: "Dean S. Messing" writes: :: :: > I've got the two heads running just fine. :: > I've got the virtual desktop running under a single :: > KDE invocation (KDE-2.2.2) so I can slide a window :: > across screens. :: > :: > But there is some very annoying behaviour that I can't seem :: > to rid myself of: :: > :: > -- If I horizontally maximise, say, an emacs window it :: > maximises across the _entire_ virtual desktop, which, in most cases, :: > is the wrong thing to do. :: > :: > -- When the kde screensaver comes up, it is centered in the virtual :: > desktop not in one of the physical desktops---again the wrong :: > thing to do. :: :: Unfortunately this is the correct behavior for Xinerama. It treats :: both heads as one big virtual desktop. This is not, in general, correct, though for "xinerama-unaware" window managers, it is. For a "xinerama-aware" window manager (like KDE-2.2.2 is supposed to be) the WM is aware that the large desktop is made up of two or more physical displays, and does "the right thing" w.r.t. window maximisation &c. :: You can run without Xinerama and lose the ability to drag windows :: between heads, X will treat the two heads as different screens. Not an option for me. I need the "drag" feature for visual experiments I'm doing. :: :: BTW with an AGP and PCI matrox card it is possible to do 4 heads. :: I highly suggest it. :: :: -Ross Again, not an option. I'm running just one card: the new AGP dual head nVIDIA Ge-Force 4 Ti. One port is DVI-I (digital) for driving a digital flat panel. Dean From llywrch at agora.rdrop.com Wed Jul 10 11:49:54 2002 From: llywrch at agora.rdrop.com (Geoff Burling) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Any Professional Memberships Out There? Message-ID: Somewhat OT, somewhat not . . . Yesterday, I received one of my periodic mailings from the Computer Society (affiliated with IEEE), & while scanning thru it I found a paragraph that was soliciting nominations for the 20 different awards it gives every year. More about this at http://computer.org/awards And this got me thinking . . . How many people in the Open Source community have won one of these awards? I looked thru the list & outside of awards granted to Tim Bernard-Lee & the two authors of Mosaic (Bina & Andressen), there's been few. So I came up with a pair of candidates I'd like help nominating for these honors: For the Computer Society Technical Achievement award, Venema Wietse. He has done a good chunk of work in security development, writing programs such as SATAN, tcp-wrappers, & postfix. For the Seymour Cray Computer Sience and Engineering Award, I'd like to nominate Donald Becker. (Despite his feud with the rest of the Linux community.) By creating the Beowulf cluster, he has made supercomputing affordable to practically anyone with an interest in this field. (Networking 50 Pentium IIIs together is far cheaper than buying a top-of-the-line supercomputer from Cray or SGI, & is far easier to maintain.) Anyone a member in a professional organization who would like to participate? (Nominations for the Cray award are due in at the end of the month, for the Technical Achievement award, end of September.) Any thoughts? Geoff From raanders at acm.org Wed Jul 10 12:17:56 2002 From: raanders at acm.org (Roderick A. Anderson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Telnet over SSL In-Reply-To: <200207101526.g6AFQM713384@gate.daniloff.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Alex Daniloff wrote: > Hello Linux folkz, > I want to be able to securely telnet to my box over Internet. > If I would do it over SSL it means that another outside box I'm > telneting from should have SSL installed as well, but it's not always > possible. > Is there any way to secure telnet connection if SSL is not available > on a client outside box. You must have a ssl client. If you're going to be lost in Windowsland look a PuTTY. Besides the SSH client it comes with a bunch of other neat programs. The best part is you don't have to install it. Place the putty.exe on a floppy and stick it in your pocket. Not sure about MAC OS versions. I went so far as to place PuTTY and friends and a few other deal-with-windows programs on one of those 50 MByte Credit Card sized CDROMs. Less chance of the x-rays killing it, most computers have a CDROM drive, and it makes you look ultra-techie when you pull it out of your pocket or in my case a Levenger Pocket Brief Case. Cheers, Rod -- "Open Source Software - Sometimes you get more than you paid for..." From briand at aracnet.com Wed Jul 10 12:43:23 2002 From: briand at aracnet.com (briand@aracnet.com) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] mozilla & shockwave Message-ID: <15660.36443.683603.58431@soggy.deldotd.com> OK, slightly off-topic but I know there is a large mozilla contingent out there :-) I refuse to install that worthless waste of time known as shockwave. The problem is that pages with shockwave cause mozilla to ask me if I want to download the plugin. Does anybody have any idea on how to turn that off ? I tried putting in a "fake" entry in applications/helpers. I figured I could save it to /dev/null or something - but it's still asking me. Grrr. Thanks Brian From shahms at shahms.com Wed Jul 10 12:51:48 2002 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms E. King) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] mozilla & shockwave In-Reply-To: <15660.36443.683603.58431@soggy.deldotd.com> References: <15660.36443.683603.58431@soggy.deldotd.com> Message-ID: <1026330708.7864.11.camel@shahms> You can try plugger, and not have it do anything with that mime type/file extension. --Shahms On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 12:43, briand@aracnet.com wrote: > OK, slightly off-topic but I know there is a large mozilla contingent > out there :-) > > I refuse to install that worthless waste of time known as shockwave. > > The problem is that pages with shockwave cause mozilla to ask me if I > want to download the plugin. > > Does anybody have any idea on how to turn that off ? > > I tried putting in a "fake" entry in applications/helpers. I figured > I could save it to /dev/null or something - but it's still asking me. > > Grrr. > > Thanks > > Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From srau at rauhaus.org Wed Jul 10 12:45:30 2002 From: srau at rauhaus.org (Stafford A. Rau) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Any Professional Memberships Out There? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020710194529.GA15258@rauhaus.org> * Geoff Burling [020710 11:38]: > For the Seymour Cray Computer Sience and Engineering Award, I'd > like to nominate Donald Becker. (Despite his feud with the rest > of the Linux community.) By creating the Beowulf cluster, he has > made supercomputing affordable to practically anyone with an > interest in this field. (Networking 50 Pentium IIIs together is > far cheaper than buying a top-of-the-line supercomputer from Cray > or SGI, & is far easier to maintain.) Doing a grep -l 'Donald Becker' in the kernel source drivers/net directories is pretty telling as well. --Stafford From mikeraz at patch.com Wed Jul 10 13:03:01 2002 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz@patch.com) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] A Word from the SysAdmin squirrelmail article author Message-ID: <20020710130301.C6791@patch.com> The name looked familiar so I ping'ed the author of the SysAdmin magazine article. Sure enough, he was someone I'd met briefly in Albuquerque in the late 80s. If I recall correctly he was a sendmail admin at Los Alamos for awhile in 89 or so. Here are some comments he had on web mail services. ---- begin of forwarded mail ---- But this was s'posed to be 'bout webmail. Yeah, I'd run squirrelmail rather than just exposing IMAP on port 8080. Even if your IMAP server supports ssl and you've got it configured so the ssl port is on 8080, it's another point of attack on your machine. And IMAP servers tend to be less easily kept secured than, say, Apache. There've been several remotely exploitable hacks for various IMAP servers in the past few years, but very very few serious holes in Apache in the last 7 years at least. :-) My preferred method is to run Apache/PHP/mod_ssl on one machine, expose ONLY port 443 to the outside world (or perhaps port 8443 - whatever port you configure apache/mod_ssl to listen on). Then have your IMAP server be on a separate machine entirely. That way, you can configure a firewall between the outside world and your Apache webserver, and even if they DO manage to hack squirrelmail or Apache, there's nothin' on the server itself for them to download (except for perhaps your squirrelmail preferences). No username/password pairs are stored on the squirrelmail server -- that's all on the IMAP server. And since you only expose https to the outside world, when you log in you won't be sharing your password with anyone between you and the webserver armed with a network sniffer. :-) And there's another side benefit to only exposing the SSL port on the webserver. When (not if, but when) another security hole in your webserver of choice is found, the crackers will be portscanning on port 80 for webservers to break in to. I see thousands of portscands per day on port 80, but never on port 443. Brent ---- end of forwarded mail ---- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity http://www.patch.com/ http://wiki.patch.com/ http://blog.patch.com/sandbox/ "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin and the fortune cookie says: Some men are all right in their place -- if they only the knew the right places! -- Mae West From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Jul 10 13:14:04 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] FWIW: linux notebook date/time problem solved Message-ID: After replacing (rather, having replaced) the CMOS battery and the main battery on my Toshiba Portege 3025CT, the date was still not keeping current. Using the 'date' command did no good; it didn't hold. Northwest Computer Support's tech told me that it was probably the clock chip and that means replacing the system board for about $500. When I was out of town earlier this week, I noticed that the date was rolling along, but still read January, 1990. This morning, on a hunch, I re-read the hwclock man page and then reset the hardware clock. Sure enough, the system clock -- set by the 'date' command -- followed along even after reboots. So the lesson for today is check whether or not the hardware clock lost its way and needs to be reset before doing anything else. In the grand scheme of things, it was probably a good investment, after three years of use, to replace both batteries but they were not the problem. Hope this saves someone some aggrevation and distraction, Rich From bill at coho.net Wed Jul 10 13:22:17 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Scrolling in text mode Message-ID: Hey, does Linux have a scrollback feature the way BSD does? Most (all?) BSDs let you hit the scroll lock key and scroll back up through the output. Anyway to get Linux to do that? From shahms at shahms.com Wed Jul 10 14:29:00 2002 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms E. King) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Scrolling in text mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1026336540.7860.16.camel@shahms> Shift+Page UP and Shift+Page Dn will do it. If you hit scrollock it, oddly enough, stops the screen from scrolling, because otherwise your terminal will jump to the bottom on any output. --Shahms On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 13:22, Bill wrote: > Hey, does Linux have a scrollback feature the way BSD does? Most (all?) > BSDs let you hit the scroll lock key and scroll back up through the > output. Anyway to get Linux to do that? > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From heinlein at attbi.com Wed Jul 10 14:34:54 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Scrolling in text mode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Bill wrote: > Hey, does Linux have a scrollback feature the way BSD does? Most > (all?) BSDs let you hit the scroll lock key and scroll back up > through the output. Anyway to get Linux to do that? Shift + PageUp/PageDown --Paul Heinlein From Patrick.Leckey at xist.com Wed Jul 10 13:41:20 2002 From: Patrick.Leckey at xist.com (Patrick Leckey) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package In-Reply-To: References: <20020710112256.A2233@melvin.leckey.net> Message-ID: <20020710164120.A2826@melvin.leckey.net> If you're looking for something with spell checking and handles large mail well, try "OpenMail". It's based on NeoMail, but has many added features. You should be able to find the OpenMail project at openmail.org. Pat On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 10:19:25AM -0700, David Mandel wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Patrick Leckey wrote: > > ... > > > > I noticed somebody reccommended neomail. I tried "openmail", which is based on neomail. Unfortunately, it has to run > > setuid root, and as my machine is a little 120MHz box, the setuid gets caught in the race condition and just gives me a > > "Can't do setuid". > > ... > > We use neomail as part of the Netule EM-I email server. > We selected it after testing a number of alternatives. > > For the most part we are quite happy with neomail. > It is simple and easy to use and generally works well. > We set it up be accessed via ssl which is nice. > However, > (1) We wish it had a spell checker built-in. > (2) We wish it had a system to build procmail or > other SPAM control rules. > (3) We wish it had a few more features, but for > our purposes nothing real important is missing. > (4) It hasn't handle super huge posting well. > Neomail will try to put a 100+ mb posting in > RAM, which can lead to bad things - like frozen > systems. Fortunately, this rarely happens in > practice and one can prevent this by banning > super huge postings in sendmail or postfix or > whereever. > Overall, we like neomail but may consider alternatives > in the future. > > Sincerely, > David Mandel > Chief Activist > Portland Linux/Unix Group > 1440 NE 59th > Portland, Oregon 97213 > (360) 260-2066 at work > (541) 730-5285 cell > > ====================================================================== > David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com > Other Affiliations > David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com > Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org > LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org > ====================================================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Patrick Leckey [Patrick.Leckey@xist.com] XIST Inc.; Information, Services & Technology http://www.xist.com (613)234-9621 From bill at coho.net Wed Jul 10 14:03:41 2002 From: bill at coho.net (Bill) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Scrolling in text mode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah-ha! Thanks! On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Bill wrote: > > > Hey, does Linux have a scrollback feature the way BSD does? Most > > (all?) BSDs let you hit the scroll lock key and scroll back up > > through the output. Anyway to get Linux to do that? > > Shift + PageUp/PageDown > > --Paul Heinlein > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From dh at mda.huntbros.net Wed Jul 10 15:11:10 2002 From: dh at mda.huntbros.net (dh@mda.huntbros.net) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] FWIW: linux notebook date/time problem solved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You may want to try netdate(1) along with hwclock(1) in an automated timekeeping scheme. To save you time if you try netdate, I've included my current top 12 favorite level-2 public ntp servers follow. These were culled from a very large list and selected for reliability, short netlag-times, and relative agreement of reported timesignals. cs.columbia.edu CYAN.SRV.cs.cmu.edu eagle.tamu.edu FS1.ece.cmu.edu LEMON.SRV.cs.cmu.edu salmon.maths.tcd.ie sue.cc.uregina.ca cudns.cit.cornell.edu FS3.ECE.CMU.EDU lanczos.maths.tcd.ie ntp.maths.tcd.ie otc2.psu.edu Of course, YMMV. -- David Hunt On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Rich Shepard wrote: > When I was out of town earlier this week, I noticed that the date was >rolling along, but still read January, 1990. This morning, on a hunch, I >re-read the hwclock man page and then reset the hardware clock. Sure enough, >the system clock -- set by the 'date' command -- followed along even after >reboots. From sandbox at pacifier.com Wed Jul 10 15:13:04 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Speaking of text-mode Was: Scrolling in text mode References: Message-ID: <3D2CB170.8020305@pacifier.com> What tree should I bark up to get more than 24 lines per screen? (and more columns) I seem to remember this had something to do with a frame buffer? Is it a boot-time option only? Cheers, Kyle Accardi From AthlonRobNF at cs.com Wed Jul 10 15:26:46 2002 From: AthlonRobNF at cs.com (AthlonRob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Speaking of text-mode Was: Scrolling in text mode In-Reply-To: <3D2CB170.8020305@pacifier.com> References: <3D2CB170.8020305@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020710152646.244dcfcd.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:13:04 -0700 "Kyle Accardi" wrote: > What tree should I bark up to get more than 24 lines per screen? (and more > columns) I seem to remember this had something to do with a frame buffer? > Is it a boot-time option only? Frame buffer should work for ya. What distro are you in? It should (I think, somebody correct me if I'm wrong) be as simple as compiling framebuffer support into your kernel and passing the proper VGA= line to the kernel via lilo.conf. I use 788; 800x600x64k. Slackware kernels have framebuffer support compiled in by default and it is very easy to turn it on. I really don't know if RH and Mandrake would compile it in, though... their target users are usually in X, so don't need the framebuffer eating up memory in the background. HTH, Rob From griffint at aracnet.com Wed Jul 10 15:36:13 2002 From: griffint at aracnet.com (Terry Griffin) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package In-Reply-To: from "Terry Griffin" at Jul 10, 2002 08:57:03 AM Message-ID: <200207102236.g6AMaDO32504@shell1.aracnet.com> > > > > > Ok, so my roommates now want me to set them up with portable e-mail accounts on my server like I have for > > myself, by they are *nix illiterate. The obvious solution: webmail. So, what are your favourite webmail packages and > > why? > > > > I nominate SquirrelMail for your consideration. It's a PHP-based > IMAP client with special attention paid to making sure it works with > every imaginable browser. It has an active developer community and > is extendable via a plug-in architecture. > > http://www.squirrelmail.org/ > Following up on my own very late and now obsolete post (it got held up for several hours on the list server), SquirrelMail does have a POP3 plugin. So it's not strictly limited to IMAP. Terry -- Terry Griffin http://www.blindchicken.com/~terryg/ From sandbox at pacifier.com Wed Jul 10 15:39:57 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Speaking of text-mode Was: Scrolling in text mode References: <3D2CB170.8020305@pacifier.com> <20020710152646.244dcfcd.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> Message-ID: <3D2CB7BD.4060203@pacifier.com> AthlonRob wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:13:04 -0700 > "Kyle Accardi" wrote: > > >>What tree should I bark up to get more than 24 lines per screen? (and more >>columns) I seem to remember this had something to do with a frame buffer? >>Is it a boot-time option only? > > > Frame buffer should work for ya. What distro are you in? > > It should (I think, somebody correct me if I'm wrong) be as simple as compiling framebuffer support into your kernel and passing the proper VGA= line to the kernel via lilo.conf. I use 788; 800x600x64k. > > Slackware kernels have framebuffer support compiled in by default and it is very easy to turn it on. I really don't know if RH and Mandrake would compile it in, though... their target users are usually in X, so don't need the framebuffer eating up memory in the background. RH 7.3--I recently discovered that if you install the kernel-sources rpm, it places the config file in /boot. Looks like they did compile it in. I remember setting up lilo once (somewhere) for 'vga=ask'. I'll look for the comprable command for grub. Thanks, Kyle Accardi From guy1656 at ados.com Wed Jul 10 15:53:33 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Zip Archiver not in PATH Message-ID: <20020710224328.AE93834A88@ados.com> The 'tyranny of the blank screen' strikes again!* I'm trying to use Archiver, and I get a union-excuse: "Sorry, the zip utility is not in your PATH." Som my immediate question/goal is: "How do I 'put the utility in the PATH' so that the $#$%!! thing RUNS with no more such backtalk?" I looked up 'path' in the following books: 'Linux A -Z' (Cornes) 'Linux in a Nutshell' (Siever/O'Reilly) 'Linux! I Didn't know you could do that...' (Sybex) No help there (no easy way to locate an explanation of what a PATH is and what do do with it.) However, I -almost- hit paydirt with 'Running Linux' (Welsh&Kaufman/O'Reilly) which actually demonstrates: $echo $PATH [I got: /usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin ] and that book also mentions "$ export PATH=$PATH:/usr/[some other directory]" and "set path = ( $PATH /usr/[someother directory] )" OK, cool. I think I can do this. But I did a 'Find File' in KDE and found that 'ark' is already living in /usr/bin/. So why won't 'ark' obey the command? Any hints for the last lap of this question? GLL *First coined by a consumer product designer who said that early computer users were confused by the "READY>" prompt ('Ready to do what?') and early versions of WordPerfect which presented a completely blank screen except for a handful of characters at the bottom of the screen - ("How do I use this thing? Where's PRINT?" etc.) In this case, a menu item in KDE called 'PATH Manager' or something, would be useful. Something I can SEE and CLICK ON. From derek at infotects.com Wed Jul 10 16:00:28 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Speaking of text-mode Was: Scrolling in text mode In-Reply-To: <3D2CB170.8020305@pacifier.com> References: <3D2CB170.8020305@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1026342028.5965.89.camel@dereklinux> Hi Kyle, Just to warn you, I had to take frame buffers out of my kernel to keep my Nvidia card from locking up when switching from X to console then back to X. I have found that multiple X-servers is a pretty good way to go, each server can have many virtual desktops and I like being able to change resolution on the fly. I just thought you should know. Derek Loree On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 15:13, Kyle Accardi wrote: > What tree should I bark up to get more than 24 lines per screen? (and more > columns) I seem to remember this had something to do with a frame buffer? > Is it a boot-time option only? > > Cheers, > Kyle Accardi > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From jason at vancleve.com Wed Jul 10 16:03:41 2002 From: jason at vancleve.com (Jason Van Cleve) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Cheap Colocation For Little Used Server Message-ID: <20020710160341.10f7aec3.jason@vancleve.com> Hi, I'm fleeing the country next month (speaking figuratively), and, not sure exactly when I'll be back, I'm giving up my apartment. Which means I need a new home for my server, since I run postfix on it and a couple of dev' Web sites that I'd like to keep online. I'm wondering if anyone can suggest any inexpensive colocation options. I don't require a professional service with UPS and climate control and multiple connections and all that; I just need a static IP and a mere modicum of bandwidth. It's basically just an email server for maybe a half dozen accounts. The Web sites are unfinished and get almost no traffic. It also runs CVS for just my personal use. In fact, this box would be happy to run headless in a closet in someone's basement, virtually unnoticable. It's running SuSE 7.1, and it hasn't gone down, save for power outages, since I installed it many moons hence, so there should be no question of onsite maintenance. I've just looked at EasyStreet, and their service starts at $350/month, which is just way too much for what I need. I'm actually hoping someone on this list won't mind housing this server in exchange for a line upgrade, a couple more IPs, and maybe something extra just in case a manual reboot is ever needed. Any takers? --Jason Van Cleve From jeff at jhenshaw.com Wed Jul 10 09:08:24 2002 From: jeff at jhenshaw.com (J Henshaw) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Cheap Colocation For Little Used Server References: <20020710160341.10f7aec3.jason@vancleve.com> Message-ID: <057e01c2282c$04cea9c0$0400a8c0@oem2k> I have a second IP not in use. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Van Cleve" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 11:03 PM Subject: [PLUG] Cheap Colocation For Little Used Server > Hi, > > I'm fleeing the country next month (speaking figuratively), and, not > sure exactly when I'll be back, I'm giving up my apartment. Which means > I need a new home for my server, since I run postfix on it and a couple > of dev' Web sites that I'd like to keep online. I'm wondering if anyone > can suggest any inexpensive colocation options. > > I don't require a professional service with UPS and climate control and > multiple connections and all that; I just need a static IP and a mere > modicum of bandwidth. It's basically just an email server for maybe a > half dozen accounts. The Web sites are unfinished and get almost no > traffic. It also runs CVS for just my personal use. In fact, this box > would be happy to run headless in a closet in someone's basement, > virtually unnoticable. It's running SuSE 7.1, and it hasn't gone down, > save for power outages, since I installed it many moons hence, so there > should be no question of onsite maintenance. > > I've just looked at EasyStreet, and their service starts at $350/month, > which is just way too much for what I need. I'm actually hoping someone > on this list won't mind housing this server in exchange for a line > upgrade, a couple more IPs, and maybe something extra just in case a > manual reboot is ever needed. > > Any takers? > > --Jason Van Cleve > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From drake_stuff at yahoo.com Wed Jul 10 16:12:50 2002 From: drake_stuff at yahoo.com (Ken Nowack) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package In-Reply-To: <200207102236.g6AMaDO32504@shell1.aracnet.com> Message-ID: <20020710231250.11033.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> The only feature I would grovel for in Squirrel mail is OpenPGP support. There are a few webmail packages out there that support it, but none nearly as cool as the little rodent with a nut. Ken --- Terry Griffin wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok, so my roommates now want me to set them up > with portable e-mail accounts on my server like I > have for > > > myself, by they are *nix illiterate. The > obvious solution: webmail. So, what are your > favourite webmail packages and > > > why? > > > > > > > I nominate SquirrelMail for your consideration. > It's a PHP-based > > IMAP client with special attention paid to making > sure it works with > > every imaginable browser. It has an active > developer community and > > is extendable via a plug-in architecture. > > > > http://www.squirrelmail.org/ > > > > Following up on my own very late and now obsolete > post (it got held > up for several hours on the list server), > SquirrelMail does have a POP3 > plugin. So it's not strictly limited to IMAP. > > Terry > -- > Terry Griffin > http://www.blindchicken.com/~terryg/ > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From guy1656 at ados.com Wed Jul 10 16:16:59 2002 From: guy1656 at ados.com (guy1656) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] OT: Fwd: 5 minute security advisor for Micro$oft stuff... Message-ID: <20020710230654.B16B034A81@ados.com> Good for a laugh or three. Especially "How Windows XP Protects Your Privacy." Yeah. right. GLL ---------- FWD ---------- Subject: 5 minute security advisor for Micro$oft stuff... Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:28:09 -0700 From: Microsoft's "5-Minute Security Advisor" documents has been created to communicate important security topics, tasks, and issues. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/columns/security/5min/default.asp ------------------------------------------------------- From sandbox at pacifier.com Wed Jul 10 16:16:26 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Speaking of text-mode Was: Scrolling in text mode References: <3D2CB170.8020305@pacifier.com> <1026342028.5965.89.camel@dereklinux> Message-ID: <3D2CC04A.4030106@pacifier.com> Derek Loree wrote: > Just to warn you, I had to take frame buffers out of my kernel to keep > my Nvidia card from locking up when switching from X to console then > back to X. > > I have found that multiple X-servers is a pretty good way to go, each > server can have many virtual desktops and I like being able to change > resolution on the fly. Wonder if that's what had happened when I was running RH 7.2. When I'd alt-tab to a vc, there would be pretty flashing garbage. Could switch back to X just fine, but the vc's were unusable. I really wanted this for the laptop and it works great so far. It's a little slow switching back to X and I may play with the depth settings. BTW, there is no difference when using grub since `vga` is a kernel command line option. The really nice thing about grub is that you can edit such a thing before you boot. -- Kyle Accardi From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Jul 10 16:08:40 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] WebMail Package In-Reply-To: <200207102236.g6AMaDO32504@shell1.aracnet.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Terry Griffin wrote: > Following up on my own very late and now obsolete post (it got held > up for several hours on the list server), SquirrelMail does have a POP3 > plugin. So it's not strictly limited to IMAP. If it's not too late for me to contribute to the thread, I just received my copy of "Multitool Linux", a different type of linux book that focuses on what one can do with open source/free software to provide tools in a number of different areas of need. One of the chapters is dedicated to "build[ing] a secure Webmail service supporting IMAP and SSL". It's Chapter 8; pages 157-178. Step-by-step instructions. HTH, Rich From bsr at spek.org Wed Jul 10 16:26:43 2002 From: bsr at spek.org (Brent Rieck) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Cheap Colocation For Little Used Server In-Reply-To: <20020710160341.10f7aec3.jason@vancleve.com> References: <20020710160341.10f7aec3.jason@vancleve.com> Message-ID: <1026343603.25210.1900.camel@obelisk.spek.org> On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 16:03, Jason Van Cleve wrote: > I don't require a professional service with UPS and climate control and > multiple connections and all that; I just need a static IP and a mere > modicum of bandwidth. It's basically just an email server for maybe a > half dozen accounts. The Web sites are unfinished and get almost no > traffic. It also runs CVS for just my personal use. In fact, this box > would be happy to run headless in a closet in someone's basement, > virtually unnoticable. It's running SuSE 7.1, and it hasn't gone down, > save for power outages, since I installed it many moons hence, so there > should be no question of onsite maintenance. You might try Internet Arena for colocation, they start cheap and you get what you pay for.. but I believe they start at round $100/mo for a few IPs and something like 2Mbits of bandwidth. --Brent From derek at infotects.com Wed Jul 10 16:28:24 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Cheap Colocation For Little Used Server In-Reply-To: <20020710160341.10f7aec3.jason@vancleve.com> References: <20020710160341.10f7aec3.jason@vancleve.com> Message-ID: <1026343704.19309.95.camel@dereklinux> Hi Jason, A line upgrade for my DSL to go from 640k to 1M (not sure if my Cisco 678 can do this though) would be about $50 per month, and an extra IP I think is about $5. Power use may need a small consideration too. Is that what you had in mind? Derek On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 16:03, Jason Van Cleve wrote: > Hi, > > I'm fleeing the country next month (speaking figuratively), and, not > sure exactly when I'll be back, I'm giving up my apartment. Which means > I need a new home for my server, since I run postfix on it and a couple > of dev' Web sites that I'd like to keep online. I'm wondering if anyone > can suggest any inexpensive colocation options. > > I don't require a professional service with UPS and climate control and > multiple connections and all that; I just need a static IP and a mere > modicum of bandwidth. It's basically just an email server for maybe a > half dozen accounts. The Web sites are unfinished and get almost no > traffic. It also runs CVS for just my personal use. In fact, this box > would be happy to run headless in a closet in someone's basement, > virtually unnoticable. It's running SuSE 7.1, and it hasn't gone down, > save for power outages, since I installed it many moons hence, so there > should be no question of onsite maintenance. > > I've just looked at EasyStreet, and their service starts at $350/month, > which is just way too much for what I need. I'm actually hoping someone > on this list won't mind housing this server in exchange for a line > upgrade, a couple more IPs, and maybe something extra just in case a > manual reboot is ever needed. > > Any takers? > > --Jason Van Cleve > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From jeff at jhenshaw.com Wed Jul 10 09:38:56 2002 From: jeff at jhenshaw.com (J Henshaw) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Cheap Colocation For Little Used Server References: <20020710160341.10f7aec3.jason@vancleve.com> <057e01c2282c$04cea9c0$0400a8c0@oem2k> Message-ID: <05b601c22830$491242f0$0400a8c0@oem2k> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Henshaw" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [PLUG] Cheap Colocation For Little Used Server > I have a second IP not in use. 768K SDSL.... woohoo! Second IP costs me $10.00 per month. From michaelj at golgi.net Wed Jul 10 18:47:49 2002 From: michaelj at golgi.net (michaelj@golgi.net) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Qwest DSL Blues: Help Message-ID: Yesterday my Cisco 678 router arrived in the mail. Since it was so HOT outside today I figured I would set up my DSL. ... 6 Hours Later ... Still no DSL. Are any of you successfully using a Cisco 678 router on Linux? Can you help me out? Specs ----- RH 7.1 Kernel 2.4.2-2 Cisco 678 Router 3Com 95x NIC DSL provider: Qwest ISP provider: Qwest Protocol: ppp IP address: dynamic Steps ----- 1) I started with the DSL HOW-TO http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DSL-HOWTO/index.html 2) Since I am using PPP I then moved to the Roaring Penguine http://www.roaringpenguin.com/pppoe/ on this page I read that if I have a router then I may not need PPPoE, I should use DHCP. 3) I then hit the PLUG archive and found a thread on the Cisco 678. http://plug.skylab.org/200108/msg00194.html This message referenced some other docs that are no longer available and I was unable to find a cached version http://www.users.qwest.net/~agondor/docs/678/678.html 4) Back to google, and I found a rather helpful page http://www.getnet.com/~awagner/Page4.html With the information in this page I was able to minicom into the router and set some things up, however this article was for a static IP using rfc1483 I have a dynamic IP with dynamic ip but there wasn't information specific to this. 5) After configuring the router I restarted my network with eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp. It just hung on the eth0 startup and was unable to find an IP. What I don't know (pretty much everything) ----------------- - I don't know how to correctly configure the router. - I don't know what to do on my workstation once the router is working properly. Thanks in advanced- Michael -- Remember. when you have unsafe email with someone, you're having email with all the other people that person's had unsafe email with... From n6jpa at attbi.com Wed Jul 10 18:51:16 2002 From: n6jpa at attbi.com (Keith) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Zip Archiver not in PATH In-Reply-To: <20020710224328.AE93834A88@ados.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, guy1656 wrote: > The 'tyranny of the blank screen' strikes again!* > > I'm trying to use Archiver, and I get a union-excuse: > "Sorry, the zip utility is not in your PATH." > whereis zip whereis gzip whereis compress whereis bzip2 If they are installed then the file name and path will be displayed. edit your .bash_profile add the path to PATH and login. If not then install then from your distro or the sources. -- Best Regards, Keith NW Oregon Radio http://n6jpa.home.attbi.com/ Church of the Bourne Again Shell. Tux, Save us from the evil Gates of Hell! http://linux.com http://freebsd.org http://apple.com From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Wed Jul 10 18:57:19 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:50:59 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Zip Archiver not in PATH In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Keith wrote: > whereis zip > whereis gzip > whereis compress > whereis bzip2 The 'locate' command is a variant that works just as well. Rich From sandbox at pacifier.com Wed Jul 10 19:14:00 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Qwest DSL Blues: Help References: Message-ID: <3D2CE9E8.1060706@pacifier.com> First question: Is the WAN Link led on the 678 lit? If not, qwest may not have turned on your circuit yet. If it is then success is imminent. My 678 is running in bridged mode, and it looks like you need to be running in routed mode. The ISP (Qwest in your case) should tell you for sure. Betting someone on the list has more direct experience with your particular configuration. It'll work fine... Cheers, Kyle Accardi michaelj@golgi.net wrote: > Yesterday my Cisco 678 router arrived in the mail. Since it was so HOT > outside today I figured I would set up my DSL. > > ... 6 Hours Later ... > > Still no DSL. Are any of you successfully using a Cisco 678 router on > Linux? Can you help me out? > > Specs > ----- > RH 7.1 > Kernel 2.4.2-2 > Cisco 678 Router > 3Com 95x NIC > DSL provider: Qwest > ISP provider: Qwest > Protocol: ppp > IP address: dynamic > > Steps > ----- > 1) I started with the DSL HOW-TO > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DSL-HOWTO/index.html > 2) Since I am using PPP I then moved to the Roaring Penguine > http://www.roaringpenguin.com/pppoe/ > on this page I read that if I have a router then > I may not need PPPoE, I should use DHCP. > 3) I then hit the PLUG archive and found a thread on > the Cisco 678. http://plug.skylab.org/200108/msg00194.html > This message referenced some other docs that are no > longer available and I was unable to find a cached version > http://www.users.qwest.net/~agondor/docs/678/678.html > 4) Back to google, and I found a rather helpful page > http://www.getnet.com/~awagner/Page4.html > With the information in this page I was able to > minicom into the router and set some things up, > however this article was for a static IP using rfc1483 > I have a dynamic IP with dynamic ip but there wasn't > information specific to this. > 5) After configuring the router I restarted my network > with eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp. It just hung on the eth0 > startup and was unable to find an IP. > > What I don't know (pretty much everything) > ----------------- > - I don't know how to correctly configure the router. > > - I don't know what to do on my workstation once the > router is working properly. > > > Thanks in advanced- > Michael > > From aschlemm at attbi.com Wed Jul 10 19:26:33 2002 From: aschlemm at attbi.com (Anthony Schlemmer) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Zip Archiver not in PATH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200207101926.33364.aschlemm@attbi.com> "locate" is fine as long as the file database is kept up to date. "which" on the other hand goes though the PATH environment variable and attempts to find an executable by the specified name. Tony On Wednesday 10 July 2002 18:57 pm, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Keith wrote: > > whereis zip > > whereis gzip > > whereis compress > > whereis bzip2 > > The 'locate' command is a variant that works just as well. > > Rich > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Anthony Schlemmer aschlemm@attbi.com From briand at aracnet.com Wed Jul 10 19:35:40 2002 From: briand at aracnet.com (briand@aracnet.com) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] mozilla & shockwave In-Reply-To: <1026330708.7864.11.camel@shahms> References: <15660.36443.683603.58431@soggy.deldotd.com> <1026330708.7864.11.camel@shahms> Message-ID: <15660.61180.975609.275193@soggy.deldotd.com> >>>>> "Shahms" == Shahms E King writes: Shahms> You can try plugger, and not have it do anything with that Shahms> mime type/file extension. plugger ??? Brian From ross at principia.edu Wed Jul 10 19:47:17 2002 From: ross at principia.edu (Ross Brattain) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] need some xinerama/kde help, please In-Reply-To: <20020710182238.1288610E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> References: <20020709154634.9491D10E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> <878z4kz42o.fsf@maas-neotek.attbi.com> <20020710182238.1288610E055@pons.enet.sharplabs.com> Message-ID: <87r8ib0ymi.fsf@maas-neotek.attbi.com> "Dean S. Messing" writes: > :: > But there is some very annoying behaviour that I can't seem > :: > to rid myself of: > :: > > :: > -- If I horizontally maximise, say, an emacs window it > :: > maximises across the _entire_ virtual desktop, which, in most cases, > :: > is the wrong thing to do. > :: > > :: > -- When the kde screensaver comes up, it is centered in the virtual > :: > desktop not in one of the physical desktops---again the wrong > :: > thing to do. > :: > :: Unfortunately this is the correct behavior for Xinerama. It treats > :: both heads as one big virtual desktop. > > This is not, in general, correct, though for "xinerama-unaware" > window managers, it is. Not correct then but historical, since there really isn't a right way to do anything in X, it's all window manager policy. > For a "xinerama-aware" window manager (like KDE-2.2.2 is supposed to > be) the WM is aware that the large desktop is made up of two or more > physical displays, and does "the right thing" w.r.t. window > maximisation &c. How would you expect a window spanning two heads to maximize, vertical to the full height, but is it supposed to have a width the size of one head, or fill both heads. Centering in the middle would also seem be the "correct" thing to do when running tri-head. I'm also not sure how virtual desktops are expected to work in Xinerema, they can't split heads because there could be a window spanning the heads. > :: > :: BTW with an AGP and PCI matrox card it is possible to do 4 heads. > :: I highly suggest it. > :: > :: -Ross > > Again, not an option. I'm running just one card: the new AGP > dual head nVIDIA Ge-Force 4 Ti. One port is DVI-I (digital) for > driving a digital flat panel. It's a shame, because 4 is better than 2. The matrox g200-mms should support 4 DVI per card, and in theory with AGP and PCI you could do eight or more. Surround-screen perhaps. -Ross From sandbox at pacifier.com Wed Jul 10 19:44:40 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] mozilla & shockwave References: <15660.36443.683603.58431@soggy.deldotd.com> <1026330708.7864.11.camel@shahms> <15660.61180.975609.275193@soggy.deldotd.com> Message-ID: <3D2CF118.8010902@pacifier.com> briand@aracnet.com wrote: >>>>>>"Shahms" == Shahms E King writes: >>>>> > > Shahms> You can try plugger, and not have it do anything with that > Shahms> mime type/file extension. > > plugger ??? I can answer that. Plugger is a mime-type handler for Mozilla/Netscape (others?). At least those two projects have been off-loading the concept of Helper Applications to plugger. If you are using one of those browsers (sorry, forgot if you mentioned that before), go to Help | About Plug-ins. If you see Plugger, then you're already using it. Anyway, the home page is here, http://www.hubbe.net/~hubbe/plugger.html The config file resides in /etc/pluggerrc. The man page is okay, but I still can't figure out how to launch xmms properly when the browser encounters an .m3u extension. Cheers, Kyle Accardi From sandbox at pacifier.com Wed Jul 10 19:51:51 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Qwest DSL Blues: Help References: <3D2CE9E8.1060706@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <3D2CF2C7.7030904@pacifier.com> Another point, Qwest uses PPPoA. You may find some help here http://www.dslreports.com/sitesearch and search on "qwest 678" -- Kyle Accardi who really has a 675 and is blaming the heat. I wrote: > First question: Is the WAN Link led on the 678 lit? If not, qwest may > not have turned on your circuit yet. If it is then success is imminent. > > My 678 is running in bridged mode, and it looks like you need to be > running in routed mode. The ISP (Qwest in your case) should tell you > for sure. > > Betting someone on the list has more direct experience with your > particular configuration. It'll work fine... > > Cheers, > Kyle Accardi > > > michaelj@golgi.net wrote: > >> Yesterday my Cisco 678 router arrived in the mail. Since it was so HOT >> outside today I figured I would set up my DSL. >> >> ... 6 Hours Later ... >> >> Still no DSL. Are any of you successfully using a Cisco 678 router on >> Linux? Can you help me out? >> >> Specs >> ----- >> RH 7.1 >> Kernel 2.4.2-2 >> Cisco 678 Router >> 3Com 95x NIC >> DSL provider: Qwest >> ISP provider: Qwest >> Protocol: ppp >> IP address: dynamic >> >> Steps >> ----- >> 1) I started with the DSL HOW-TO >> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DSL-HOWTO/index.html >> 2) Since I am using PPP I then moved to the Roaring Penguine >> http://www.roaringpenguin.com/pppoe/ >> on this page I read that if I have a router then >> I may not need PPPoE, I should use DHCP. >> 3) I then hit the PLUG archive and found a thread on >> the Cisco 678. http://plug.skylab.org/200108/msg00194.html >> This message referenced some other docs that are no >> longer available and I was unable to find a cached version >> http://www.users.qwest.net/~agondor/docs/678/678.html >> 4) Back to google, and I found a rather helpful page >> http://www.getnet.com/~awagner/Page4.html >> With the information in this page I was able to >> minicom into the router and set some things up, >> however this article was for a static IP using rfc1483 >> I have a dynamic IP with dynamic ip but there wasn't >> information specific to this. >> 5) After configuring the router I restarted my network >> with eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp. It just hung on the eth0 >> startup and was unable to find an IP. >> >> What I don't know (pretty much everything) >> ----------------- >> - I don't know how to correctly configure the router. >> >> - I don't know what to do on my workstation once the >> router is working properly. >> >> >> Thanks in advanced- >> Michael >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > . > From russj at dimstar.net Wed Jul 10 19:53:46 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Speaking of text-mode Was: Scrolling in text mode In-Reply-To: <3D2CB7BD.4060203@pacifier.com> References: <3D2CB170.8020305@pacifier.com> <20020710152646.244dcfcd.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> <3D2CB7BD.4060203@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <20020710195346.732c454d.russj@dimstar.net> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:39:57 -0700 Kyle Accardi wrote: > RH 7.3--I recently discovered that if you install the kernel-sources rpm, it > places the config file in /boot. Looks like they did compile it in. > > I remember setting up lilo once (somewhere) for 'vga=ask'. I'll look for > the comprable command for grub. Having just set this up on my own box, you just need to do the following: Comment out the lines SYSFONT="lat0-sun16" SYSFONTACM="iso15" in /etc/sysconfig/i18n. If you don't do this, then when the system loads the default fonts, it switches back to 25 line mode. Then add vga=# to the kernel line in /etc/grub.conf. Mine looks like this: kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.18-5 ro root=/dev/hda6 hdc=ide-scsi vga=6 If you want to experiment with different modes, replace the # with "ask". -- "The power to untie is stronger than the power to tie." Well, yeah, otherwise my shoes would tie themselves. --- Russ Johnson Stargate Online http://www.dimstar.net telnet://telnet.dimstar.net ICQ: 3739685:Airneil From 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com Wed Jul 10 20:07:12 2002 From: 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com (Steve Bonds) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Telnet over SSL Message-ID: <1955439889.1026356816249.JavaMail.root@monkey> Maybe this is an obvious question, but why don't you just use Secure Shell? It's a replacement for telnet that encrypts, authenticates, etc. http://www.openssh.org or for Win32: http://www.networksimplicity.com/openssh/ -- Steve On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Alex Daniloff alex@daniloff.com XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: > Hello Linux folkz, > I want to be able to securely telnet to my box over Internet. > If I would do it over SSL it means that another outside box I'm > telneting from should have SSL installed as well, but it's not always > possible. > Is there any way to secure telnet connection if SSL is not available > on a client outside box. > Thank you in advance for any thoughts or suggestions. > > Alex > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From jon at manymoons.net Wed Jul 10 20:08:56 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Zip Archiver not in PATH In-Reply-To: <200207101926.33364.aschlemm@attbi.com> References: <200207101926.33364.aschlemm@attbi.com> Message-ID: <1026356937.21305.253.camel@lana.manymoons.net> After finding where it is, you can set your path as you already stated. Or you could move it (look up mv, if you don't already know that one) or you can create a symbolic link by using the ln -s command. On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 19:26, Anthony Schlemmer wrote: > "locate" is fine as long as the file database is kept up to date. > "which" on the other hand goes though the PATH environment variable and > attempts to find an executable by the specified name. > > Tony > > On Wednesday 10 July 2002 18:57 pm, Rich Shepard wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Keith wrote: > > > whereis zip > > > whereis gzip > > > whereis compress > > > whereis bzip2 > > > > The 'locate' command is a variant that works just as well. > > > > Rich > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- > Anthony Schlemmer > aschlemm@attbi.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From AthlonRobNF at cs.com Wed Jul 10 20:31:15 2002 From: AthlonRobNF at cs.com (AthlonRob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Zip Archiver not in PATH In-Reply-To: <200207101926.33364.aschlemm@attbi.com> References: <200207101926.33364.aschlemm@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020710203115.0e28a2cd.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:26:33 -0700 "Anthony Schlemmer" wrote: > > "locate" is fine as long as the file database is kept up to date. I like it, even when I have to manually update the database. As root, just run updatedb and you're up and going. :-) Then the locate command works great. Rob From aschlemm at attbi.com Wed Jul 10 21:09:50 2002 From: aschlemm at attbi.com (Anthony Schlemmer) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Zip Archiver not in PATH In-Reply-To: <20020710203115.0e28a2cd.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> References: <200207101926.33364.aschlemm@attbi.com> <20020710203115.0e28a2cd.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> Message-ID: <200207102109.50673.aschlemm@attbi.com> After my first post on this subject it made me curious as to when the file database is updated on my system. I found that a daily cronjob is run to update the database on my system. I would guess that most of the "modern" distros do this. Tony On Wednesday 10 July 2002 20:31 pm, AthlonRob wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:26:33 -0700 > > "Anthony Schlemmer" wrote: > > "locate" is fine as long as the file database is kept up to date. > > I like it, even when I have to manually update the database. > > As root, just run updatedb and you're up and going. :-) > > Then the locate command works great. > > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Anthony Schlemmer aschlemm@attbi.com From sandy at herring.org Wed Jul 10 21:30:03 2002 From: sandy at herring.org (Sandy Herring) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Driver for SmartDisk FlashPath In-Reply-To: ; from allyn@well.com on Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 09:21:46AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20020710213003.B9566@kippered.herring.org> It looks like you're S.O.L., Mark. Smartdisk did have a driver for RH6.2 and the 2.2.x kernels, but it appears to have been withdrawn. Proof that it did exist is here... http://www.ricohzone.com/support/download/FlashPath/Documentation/LinuxInstallandUserGuide.pdf ...but I can't find the .tgz driver anywhere. Got USB? It's waaaay faster, and then are plenty of devices for SmartMedia which work under linux. Sandy On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Mark Allyn wrote: > > Hi: > > I am trying to find any linux drivers for the SmartDisk FlashPath > floppy that is used for the memory for digital cameras. > > Has any of you had experience using these under Linux? > > I tried the Smartdisk web site and all they had for download > were Windows and Mac. > > Thank you > > Mark Allyn -- Sandy Herring, RHCE o sandy@herring.org Peck of Pickled Pisces __ o http://herring.org/ UNIX or Web authoring questions? |\/ o\ o http://herring.org/finger.html =>http://herring.org/techie.html |/\__/ http://herring.org/pub-key.asc *sh, Perl, C, VBA, PICK Assembler, Data/Basic, PROC & profanity spoken here. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/attachments/20020710/15fb9573/attachment.bin From revans at e-z.net Wed Jul 10 21:34:16 2002 From: revans at e-z.net (Russell Evans) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Driver for SmartDisk FlashPath In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020711042947.BWXS6023.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@dhcp-279-190> http://www.evillabs.net/~jmcc/flashpath/ Thank you Russell On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:21:46 -0700 (PDT), Mark Allyn said: > > Hi: > > I am trying to find any linux drivers for the SmartDisk FlashPath > floppy that is used for the memory for digital cameras. > > Has any of you had experience using these under Linux? > > I tried the Smartdisk web site and all they had for download > were Windows and Mac. > > Thank you > > Mark Allyn > From AthlonRobNF at cs.com Wed Jul 10 22:28:48 2002 From: AthlonRobNF at cs.com (AthlonRob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Zip Archiver not in PATH In-Reply-To: <200207102109.50673.aschlemm@attbi.com> References: <200207101926.33364.aschlemm@attbi.com> <20020710203115.0e28a2cd.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> <200207102109.50673.aschlemm@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020710222848.326be7e3.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:09:50 -0700 "Anthony Schlemmer" wrote: > After my first post on this subject it made me curious as to when the > file database is updated on my system. I found that a daily cronjob is > run to update the database on my system. I don't know how standard it is, but Slackware runs it every morning at 4AM. Usually when most people are sleeping. A problem comes up, though, for those who turn their PCs off at night. Rob From dmandel at pdxLinux.org Wed Jul 10 22:20:36 2002 From: dmandel at pdxLinux.org (David Mandel) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT: July PLUG Meeting Message-ID: MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT The Portland Linux/Unix Group will meet 7 PM Thursday Jul 11, 2002 at It's a Beautiful Pizza 3342 SE Belmont Portland, Oregon ********************************************************** PRESENTATION Problem Session We will discuss short topics I'm late announcing this meeting because I haven't been able to line up a speaker for July. It has been a problem as we will not have a projector available and a lot of people are out of town on vacation. However, come and order Pizza and beer and we will discuss whatever comes up. We have done this in the past and it actually works out well to have a session devoted to problems and short topics from time to time. ********************************************************** Agenda: 7:00 - 7:30 Business We will discuss the status of our ongoing projects including the monthly hands on clinics, PLUG for Education, etc. 7:30 - 8:30 Presentation See above 9:00 - ... Beer Instead of going to The Lucky Labrador like usual, we are have beer and pizza during the meeting. David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 1440 NE 59th Portland, Oregon 97213 (360) 260-2066 land (541) 730-5285 cell dmandel@pdxLinux.org P.S. The Mid Willamette Valley Linux Users Group meets at 2 PM on first Saturday of the month at Peak Inc in Corvallis. See http://lug.peak.org/ for details. P.S. The Eugene Linux Users Group meets regularly. See http://www.euglug.org for details. ====================================================================== David Mandel, Product Manager http://www.MicroSharp.com Other Affliations David Mandel http://www.DavidMandel.com Portland Linux/Unix Group http://pdxLinux.org LinuxFund http://LinuxFund.org Netule http://Netule.org ====================================================================== From sandbox at pacifier.com Wed Jul 10 22:38:37 2002 From: sandbox at pacifier.com (Kyle Accardi) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Speaking of text-mode Was: Scrolling in text mode References: <3D2CB170.8020305@pacifier.com> <20020710152646.244dcfcd.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> <3D2CB7BD.4060203@pacifier.com> <20020710195346.732c454d.russj@dimstar.net> Message-ID: <3D2D19DD.4040509@pacifier.com> Russ Johnson wrote: > Having just set this up on my own box, you just need to do the following: > > Comment out the lines > > SYSFONT="lat0-sun16" > SYSFONTACM="iso15" > > in /etc/sysconfig/i18n. If you don't do this, then when the system loads the default fonts, it switches back to 25 line mode. When does this system load these fonts? If it's at boot time or when X starts, then it doesn't seem to have affected me. -- Kyle Accardi From aschlemm at attbi.com Wed Jul 10 23:00:45 2002 From: aschlemm at attbi.com (Anthony Schlemmer) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Zip Archiver not in PATH In-Reply-To: <20020710222848.326be7e3.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> References: <200207102109.50673.aschlemm@attbi.com> <20020710222848.326be7e3.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> Message-ID: <200207102300.45397.aschlemm@attbi.com> I'm running SuSE 8.0 on several systems not all of which run 24/7. On those systems I power on and off, the daily maintenance tasks seem to run automatically not too long after the system boots up. There must be some hourly task that checks how long since the daily maintenance was run or something like that. Tony On Wednesday 10 July 2002 22:28 pm, AthlonRob wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:09:50 -0700 > > "Anthony Schlemmer" wrote: > > After my first post on this subject it made me curious as to when > > the file database is updated on my system. I found that a daily > > cronjob is run to update the database on my system. > > I don't know how standard it is, but Slackware runs it every morning > at 4AM. Usually when most people are sleeping. > > A problem comes up, though, for those who turn their PCs off at > night. > > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Anthony Schlemmer aschlemm@attbi.com From jon at manymoons.net Wed Jul 10 22:52:24 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Zip Archiver not in PATH In-Reply-To: <20020710222848.326be7e3.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> References: <200207101926.33364.aschlemm@attbi.com> <20020710203115.0e28a2cd.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> <200207102109.50673.aschlemm@attbi.com> <20020710222848.326be7e3.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> Message-ID: <1026366745.25466.258.camel@lana.manymoons.net> What person in their right mind would turn their machine off? On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 22:28, AthlonRob wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:09:50 -0700 > "Anthony Schlemmer" wrote: > > > After my first post on this subject it made me curious as to when the > > file database is updated on my system. I found that a daily cronjob is > > run to update the database on my system. > > I don't know how standard it is, but Slackware runs it every morning at 4AM. Usually when most people are sleeping. > > A problem comes up, though, for those who turn their PCs off at night. > > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From AthlonRobNF at cs.com Wed Jul 10 23:42:55 2002 From: AthlonRobNF at cs.com (AthlonRob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Zip Archiver not in PATH In-Reply-To: <1026366745.25466.258.camel@lana.manymoons.net> References: <200207101926.33364.aschlemm@attbi.com> <20020710203115.0e28a2cd.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> <200207102109.50673.aschlemm@attbi.com> <20020710222848.326be7e3.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> <1026366745.25466.258.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <20020710234255.0f2dc45c.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> On 10 Jul 2002 22:52:24 -0700 "Jon Jacob" wrote: > > What person in their right mind would turn their machine off? I don't know! What's the point of having a computer if you aren't going to crunch SETI@Home units on it 24/7? :-) Rob From cbrown at woods.net Thu Jul 11 00:38:33 2002 From: cbrown at woods.net (Christopher E. Brown) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Wanted, Wide Differential HA Message-ID: Looking for a Fast2 Wide Differential host adapter (HVD, *not* LVD). Something like a Buslogic/Mylex BT-958D, SymBios/LSI 8751D, or Adaptec AHA-2944UW. If you have an HVD adapter you want to get rid of contact me. Swaps for another SCSI HA or odd hardware prefered. Thanks -- I route, therefore you are. From heinlein at attbi.com Thu Jul 11 06:20:33 2002 From: heinlein at attbi.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Zip Archiver not in PATH In-Reply-To: <1026366745.25466.258.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: On 10 Jul 2002, Jon Jacob wrote: > What person in their right mind would turn their machine off? :-) Actually, I powered down my SPARC and Alpha yesterday because it promised to get too hot in my home office and I didn't want to resort to turning on the AC. My main x86 box, however, remains on... --Paul Heinlein From russj at dimstar.net Thu Jul 11 09:08:00 2002 From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Speaking of text-mode Was: Scrolling in text mode In-Reply-To: <3D2D19DD.4040509@pacifier.com> References: <3D2CB170.8020305@pacifier.com> <20020710152646.244dcfcd.AthlonRobNF@CS.com> <3D2CB7BD.4060203@pacifier.com> <20020710195346.732c454d.russj@dimstar.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711090522.00b37488@localhost> At 10:38 PM 7/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >When does this system load these fonts? If it's at boot time or when X >starts, then it doesn't seem to have affected me. It does it during boot. When it sets the system locale. The lines I listed are the default for the English (US) locale. I just know that my system booted in 60 line mode (vga=6) and then reverted to 25 line mode when it said, "Loading system fonts" during bootup. Commenting out those lines stopped the reversion. Russ Johnson http://www.dimstar.net How come wrong numbers are never busy? From bspears at easystreet.com Wed Jul 10 21:45:35 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Floppyfw and ftp Message-ID: <200207111643.g6BGhxR01046@smtp.easystreet.com> Having trouble witht ftp and, presumably, floppyfw. I can connect but can't ls. I assume something is wrong in my settup. Help. From cooper at linux-enterprise.net Thu Jul 11 08:51:12 2002 From: cooper at linux-enterprise.net (Cooper Stevenson) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] MWVLUG SECOND MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <1026402672.27872.3.camel@pookie> M E E T I N G A N N O U N C E M E N T WHEN: Saturday, July 13 WHERE: P.E.A.K, Inc. 1600 SW Western at 15th Corvallis, OR For a map: http://www.peak.org/peak_info/peak-map.html AGENDA: 1:00 - 2:00 p.m. New User's Hour 2:00 - 2:30 p.m. ``In The News'' 2:30 - 3:00 p.m. Group Business -- Do We Organize? 3:00 - 4:00 p.m. Presentation ``Installing Flight Gear'' With summer here, people are getting out to take in the good weather. This month I would like to give a presentation on installing the Open Source ``Flight Gear'' on your computer. Very fun to play. Very not fun when your wife notices her load averages jump because you are running it on her machine through the network! 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Yeah, it's me, the Brent that fooled around with ROS and some other BBSes (and even wrote my own in interpreted basic on a NEC Z80 based machine with 64k of memory - grin). Remember John? He's doin' consulting work for ARIN and some of the other internet bigwigs, and starting up his own internet registrar service. He ran a small ISP for a while before that. But this was s'posed to be 'bout webmail. Yeah, I'd run squirrelmail rather than just exposing IMAP on port 8080. Even if your IMAP server supports ssl and you've got it configured so the ssl port is on 8080, it's another point of attack on your machine. And IMAP servers tend to be less easily kept secured than, say, Apache. There've been several remotely exploitable hacks for various IMAP servers in the past few years, but very very few serious holes in Apache in the last 7 years at least. :-) My preferred method is to run Apache/PHP/mod_ssl on one machine, expose ONLY port 443 to the outside world (or perhaps port 8443 - whatever port you configure apache/mod_ssl to listen on). Then have your IMAP server be on a separate machine entirely. That way, you can configure a firewall between the outside world and your Apache webserver, and even if they DO manage to hack squirrelmail or Apache, there's nothin' on the server itself for them to download (except for perhaps your squirrelmail preferences). No username/password pairs are stored on the squirrelmail server -- that's all on the IMAP server. And since you only expose https to the outside world, when you log in you won't be sharing your password with anyone between you and the webserver armed with a network sniffer. :-) And there's another side benefit to only exposing the SSL port on the webserver. When (not if, but when) another security hole in your webserver of choice is found, the crackers will be portscanning on port 80 for webservers to break in to. I see thousands of portscands per day on port 80, but never on port 443. Brent From xandy at linuxmail.org Wed Jul 10 13:36:08 2002 From: xandy at linuxmail.org (Andy Boyce) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Moving a certificate from iis5 to apache(linux) Message-ID: <20020710133608.A3251@xandy.linux-dude.com> Hello ppl, I would like to move my secure webserver certificate from iis5 to apache on a linux machine. I exported the cert from windoze in PKCS12 format w/key, then I tried splitting it into key and certificate with: openssl pkcs12 -in cert.p12 -out server.crt -nokeys -clcerts -passin stdin openssl pkcs12 -in cert.p12 -out server.key -nocerts -passin stdin -nodes After copying the files into place, restarting, etc. I get a message that says the certificate Im using is not acceptable for this use. If anybody tell me where I went wrong (export format?), or give me some step by step instructions I would appreciate it. ---- Andy Boyce -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Get the "ncftp" client and configure it for passive mode only. PPS: I guess I just invalidated my opening sentence. Oh, well. On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Bill Spears bspears@easystreet.com XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: > Having trouble witht ftp and, presumably, floppyfw. I can connect but can't > ls. I assume something is wrong in my settup. > > Help. From jeff at jhenshaw.com Thu Jul 11 02:59:26 2002 From: jeff at jhenshaw.com (J Henshaw) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Floppyfw and ftp References: <200207111643.g6BGhxR01046@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <069701c228c1$a3c79380$0400a8c0@oem2k> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Spears" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 4:45 AM Subject: [PLUG] Floppyfw and ftp Having trouble witht ftp and, presumably, floppyfw. I can connect but can't ls. I assume something is wrong in my settup. Help. Sounds like the recurring port 20 data connection problem. You must allow incoming tcp on 20 as well as the usual 21.. for active ftp connects to use the ls command. Otherwise, you're looking at trying passive mode ftp clients, which is pretty foolproof. There is a ip_masq_ftp.o you can add to modules.lst and put in the /modules dir of the floppy - corresponding to your kernel, naturally. It helps with the active ftp port assignments with NAT etc. There is a good news server at news.zelow.no with all the particulars also. HTH jH From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Thu Jul 11 11:02:38 2002 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Floppyfw and ftp In-Reply-To: <200207111643.g6BGhxR01046@smtp.easystreet.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Bill Spears wrote: > Having trouble witht ftp and, presumably, floppyfw. I can connect but can't > ls. I assume something is wrong in my settup. Been there -- twice now. With the firewall, the ftp client you use needs to be in passive mode, not active mode. In the former mode, the client determines the ports to be used so the firewall will allow the return packets back in. NcFTP did this exceptionally well up to version 3.0.3. In this release, he changed passive mode to 'extended' passive mode and many servers get confused and cannot handle it. Connect to the server with vanilla ftp. Once logged in type 'passive'. You should see the response of the command as it toggles passive mode on and off. With passive mode on, type 'ls'. You'll almost certainly get the results back. If not ... then it's time for tcpdump and ethereal. Rich From bspears at easystreet.com Wed Jul 10 23:54:02 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:01 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Floppyfw and ftp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200207111852.g6BIqQL22668@smtp.easystreet.com> On Thursday 11 July 2002 11:02 am, you wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Bill Spears wrote: > > Having trouble witht ftp and, presumably, floppyfw. I can connect but > > can't ls. I assume something is wrong in my settup. > > Been there -- twice now. > > With the firewall, the ftp client you use needs to be in passive mode, > not active mode. In the former mode, the client determines the ports to be > used so the firewall will allow the return packets back in. > > NcFTP did this exceptionally well up to version 3.0.3. In this release, > he changed passive mode to 'extended' passive mode and many servers get > confused and cannot handle it. > > Connect to the server with vanilla ftp. Once logged in type 'passive'. > You should see the response of the command as it toggles passive mode on > and off. With passive mode on, type 'ls'. You'll almost certainly get the > results back. If not ... then it's time for tcpdump and ethereal. > > Rich > > Ha! I remembered someone on the list going round and round with this, but I couldn't rember who. I even remembered that it had something to do with passive mode, but couldn't remember how to use it. Thanks worked like a charm, even with a Windows client. From bspears at easystreet.com Wed Jul 10 23:57:52 2002 From: bspears at easystreet.com (Bill Spears) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:01 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Floppyfw and ftp In-Reply-To: <1855596449.1026406377005.JavaMail.root@monkey> References: <1855596449.1026406377005.JavaMail.root@monkey> Message-ID: <200207111856.g6BIuFL27216@smtp.easystreet.com> On Thursday 11 July 2002 09:53 am, you wrote: > Bill: > > Without a lot more information nobody will be able to help you. Really? Want to bet? > > And, to help you understand how to form a good question for a technical > audience, I highly suggest that you read this article by Eric Raymond: > > http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html And to help you get your head out from amidst your polyps, look up the word gratuitous. See especially, gratuitous advice. From galens at seitzassoc.com Thu Jul 11 12:23:00 2002 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:01 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Floppyfw and ftp In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:02:38 PDT." Message-ID: <200207111923.g6BJN0404902@tinman.seitzassoc.com> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Bill Spears wrote: > > > Having trouble witht ftp and, presumably, floppyfw. I can connect but can't > > ls. I assume something is wrong in my settup. > > Been there -- twice now. > > With the firewall, the ftp client you use needs to be in passive mode, not > active mode. In the former mode, the client determines the ports to be used > so the firewall will allow the return packets back in. > Strictly speaking, this isn't always true. floppyfw can handle active mode ftp just fine. That's assuming you haven't edited modules.lst to remove ip_masq_ftp.o, and that you have the appropriate firewall rules. That said, it's not unusual to have a firewall/server on the remote end be screwed up such that active mode won't work. galen bash$ ftp ftp.aracnet.com Connected to hunter.aracnet.com. 220 ProFTPD 1.2.4 Server (Aracnet Internet's FTP Server) [ftp.aracnet.com] Name (ftp.aracnet.com:galens): ftp 331 Anonymous login ok, send your complete email address as your password. Password: 230- --- Aracnet FTP site -- ftp.aracnet.com --- Welcome, FTP user. If you have problems with this server, please contact support@aracnet.com. Thank you -- Aracnet FTP administrator 230 Anonymous access granted, restrictions apply. Remote system type is UNIX. Using binary mode to transfer files. ftp> passive Passive mode on. ftp> passive Passive mode off. ftp> ls 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list. d--x--x--x 2 root root 1024 Aug 30 2001 bin lrwxrwxrwx 1 3761 ftpadmin 14 Jul 28 1999 delta-9 -> users/spyder47 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Oct 1 1996 dev d--x--x--x 3 root root 1024 Oct 12 1998 etc drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Sep 14 1998 lib dr-xr-sr-x 13 root ftp 1024 Nov 27 2001 pub drwxr-xr-x 38 root ftpadmin 2048 Feb 21 10:45 users -r--r--r-- 1 root ftpadmin 225 Aug 16 2000 welcome.msg 226 Transfer complete. From jeme at brelin.net Thu Jul 11 12:34:54 2002 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:01 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Floppyfw and ftp In-Reply-To: <200207111923.g6BJN0404902@tinman.seitzassoc.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Galen Seitz wrote: > Strictly speaking, this isn't always true. floppyfw can handle active mode > ftp just fine. That's assuming you haven't edited modules.lst to remove > ip_masq_ftp.o, and that you have the appropriate firewall rules. That said, > it's not unusual to have a firewall/server on the remote end be screwed > up such that active mode won't work. Aye. I'd just like to confirm that I use floppyfw and have never had any ftp trouble on this end. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme@brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From derek at infotects.com Thu Jul 11 12:33:55 2002 From: derek at infotects.com (Derek Loree) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:01 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Qwest DSL Blues: Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1026416051.6088.160.camel@dereklinux> Hi Michael, On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 18:47, michaelj@golgi.net wrote: > Yesterday my Cisco 678 router arrived in the mail. Since it was so HOT > outside today I figured I would set up my DSL. > > ... 6 Hours Later ... > > Still no DSL. Are any of you successfully using a Cisco 678 router on > Linux? Yes, I do have a 678 (qwest DSL) with several linux boxes routing through it. Can you help me out? I haven't set up pppoE, mine is in bridging mode. When Qwest sent my router, they also included a manual that had step by step instructions for setting up the 2 different modes, if you didn't get the manual, then Qwest tech support may be your best bet, they don't support linux fully, but they don't hang up on you either. It is their job to make sure that the equipment they sent you is working and connecting to your ISP. Let them know that you can connect to the Cisco management port with a terminal emulator and that you need help with the settings. BTW, make sure that you let them know that you NEVER want to be transfered to MSN tech support. Good Luck Derek Loree From jon at manymoons.net Thu Jul 11 12:47:29 2002 From: jon at manymoons.net (Jon Jacob) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:01 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Qwest DSL Blues: Help In-Reply-To: <1026416051.6088.160.camel@dereklinux> References: <1026416051.6088.160.camel@dereklinux> Message-ID: <1026416849.25466.268.camel@lana.manymoons.net> About six months ago, I had the same issues. I used minicom to communicate with it. If you google for minicomm and Cisco 678, you can get help from the following pages: (I can't remember exactly how I did this, but I remember that there was lots of help on the web in relation to minicomm.) http://www.getnet.com/~awagner/Page4.html http://www.ssc.com/pipermail/linux-list/2002-January/021926.html Hope that helps. If you are still struggling, give me a holler. Ultimately, I remember I made the connection to the router with minicomm and then my ISP (not qwest) walked me through what commands to use to set it up. From jeff at jhenshaw.com Thu Jul 11 06:12:24 2002 From: jeff at jhenshaw.com (J Henshaw) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:01 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Qwest DSL Blues: Help References: <1026416051.6088.160.camel@dereklinux> <1026416849.25466.268.camel@lana.manymoons.net> Message-ID: <077701c228dc$99067a90$0400a8c0@oem2k> http://www.users.qwest.net/~rlutton/ADSL/ http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/794/router_mtu.html#changing From 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com Thu Jul 11 13:17:54 2002 From: 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com (Steve Bonds) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:01 2007 Subject: [PLUG] Floppyfw and ftp Message-ID: <2017568673.1026418659248.JavaMail.root@monkey> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Bill Spears bspears@easystreet.com XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: > > And, to help you understand how to form a good question for a technical > > audience, I highly suggest that you read this article by Eric Raymond: > > > > http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > And to help you get your head out from amidst your polyps, look up the word > gratuitous. See especially, gratuitous advice. Bill: That response was un-called-for, particularly since I *did* respond to your problem with the correct solution. I apologize if my attempt to improve your chances of getting technical help from other open-source folks was ill-received. On many (most) mailing lists or newsgroups short problem descriptions with a plea for help rarely get any response. Again, I did not mean to offend and if I did, I apologize. The List: All further replies along these lines will be via E-mail to avoid clogging up the list any further with useless messages. -- Steve From karlheg at pdxlinux.org Thu Jul 11 13:30:08 2002 From: karlheg at pdxlinux.org (Karl M. Hegbloom) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:01 2007 Subject: [PLUG] SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT: July PLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1026419408.15735.9.camel@juniper> On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 22:20, David Mandel wrote: > > > MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT > > The Portland Linux/Unix Group > will meet > 7 PM Thursday Jul 11, 2002 > at > It's a Beautiful Pizza > > 3342 SE Belmont > Portland, Oregon Anyone know the Tri-met connections from the downtown bus mall? From galens at seitzassoc.com Thu Jul 11 13:41:16 2002 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:01 2007 Subject: [PLUG] SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT: July PLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: Your message of "11 Jul 2002 13:30:08 PDT." <1026419408.15735.9.camel@juniper> Message-ID: <200207112041.g6BKfG405231@tinman.seitzassoc.com> > On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 22:20, David Mandel wrote: > > > > > > MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT > > > > The Portland Linux/Unix Group > > will meet > > 7 PM Thursday Jul 11, 2002 > > at > > It's a Beautiful Pizza > > > > 3342 SE Belmont > > Portland, Oregon > > Anyone know the Tri-met connections from the downtown bus mall? > Take the #15 Belmont bus. It runs east on Salmon, then north on 2nd, then east on Alder across the Morrison bridge. 15 minute frequency during the day, more often during rush hour. 30 minute frequency after 9PM. Try out the transit tracker on the tri-met web site. http://www.tri-met.org/arrivals/pickroute.htm galen From 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com Thu Jul 11 13:44:05 2002 From: 1s7k8uhcd001 at sneakemail.com (Steve Bonds) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:01 2007 Subject: [PLUG] SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT: July PLUG Meeting Message-ID: <1627170721.1026420229628.JavaMail.root@monkey> On 11 Jul 2002, Karl M. Hegbloom karlheg@pdxlinux.org XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: > On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 22:20, David Mandel wrote: > > > > > > MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT > > > > It's a Beautiful Pizza > > > > 3342 SE Belmont > > Portland, Oregon > > Anyone know the Tri-met connections from the downtown bus mall? http://www.tri-met.org gives the following info in their trip planner: Trip Plans for Thursday, July 11, 2002 from Pioneer Courthouse Square in Portland to 3342 SE Belmont St in Portland Walk 0.19 mile south from Pioneer Courthouse Square (SW 6TH AVE & SW MORRISON ST) to Salmon & 5th. 06:44 PM Board 15 BELMONT TO PARKROSE-SUMNER TC. 06:57 PM Get off at Belmont & 34th Walk 0.1 mile west to 3342 SE Belmont St http://www.tri-met.org/schedule/r015.htm -- Steve From galens at seitzassoc.com Thu Jul 11 13:48:34 2002 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Sat Mar 3 17:51:01 2007 Subject: [PLUG] SECOND ANNOUN