New PLUG List - Was: [PLUG] Vulgarity

[PLUG Person]

- Must comment.

I communicate with my boss regularly with vulgarities.
No I do not communicate with customers with vulgarities unless they are
so free and open with me also.  I conduct business with friends, some of
who aren't all anal about vulgarities.  As you notice though I rarely
post or converse with vulgarities unless the crowd is comfortable with
such trivial adjectives and the like.

Just to note.  Linux is used in the workplace I am in.  We have 2
Penguin Systems running web sites.  We have a Debian box (on some
Gateway junk system) running a mail server because the dual processor P3
w/ 1.5GB RAM that has Exchange on it can't seem to run correctly or work
right.

Then of course we have an internal Database (SQL Server 2000) w/ a front
end developed with Office Visual Basic for Applications, and now moving
to VB.NET and ASP.NET... the reason being that it takes too long and
gets more complicated for all involved to develop and maintain the same
thing for a user base.  Not to mention that it is far to complicated to
manage desktop system with Linux on them vs. Windows 2K Pro boxes.  5
minutes for a Win2K box, about the same for a Linux box, everyone can
use Win2K, no one can use Linux.

The summary of my two little real life examples is this.  Real bosses
make smart moves and use what WORKS and can make money.  In most
situations Windows will make someone more money.  Even with the crashes
because of it's controlled development, lifecycle, blagh blagh blagh.
In many situations Linux can make one money and save a lot of money.  It
just happens that Windows can do this more readily, and is designed and
implemented as such.  Linux revolves around geeks like myself getting
off on cool technological tools, and creating things themselves.  It's
all good but to fight MS & Windows one has to create something with
Linux that the Linux community doesn't particularly want.  Someone that
is accountable to blame, a single source of contact, too many choices is
bad, a central binding development platform that is available in various
but extremely simple IDEs.  The list goes on.

----

Again, please excuse my rant, most of the time I'll just ask or give
technical knowledge.  It just seems there are a lot of good arguments
going on right now in the list and I can't seem to help myself.  :)

ABH

-----Original Message-----
From: plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org
[mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Russ Johnson
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 6:56 PM
To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org
Subject: Re: New PLUG List - Was: [PLUG] Vulgarity

It's not a question of what's clean and what's not.

Would you tell your boss ANYTHING with the word f*** in it? Would you
speak 
to customers that way?

Those are rhetorical questions. If you say you would, I don't believe
you. 
At least, not while trying to keep your job. :)

All I am suggesting is that we assume that we're all professionals here,

and act accordingly. The list is a great resource, with or without the 
cussing. It's a better customer resource without.

I'm always amazed at the number of times I'll be looking something up on

the net, and the plug list archives are at the top of the list. What we
say 
here is seen by *LOTS* of people.

We all talk about promoting linux in schools, in the workplace, at home,

everywhere. If Joe CEO gets to looking around, and everywhere he looks
he's 
assaulted by words that many consider offensive, he's not going to
consider 
linux as a serious alternative. Mostly because what he sees looks like a

bunch of middle school kids trying to sound older than they are.

It most definitely does *NOT* look like professionals trying to promote
a 
better computing system.

Again, this is my opinion, ymmv.

At 06:36 PM 5/30/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>How about the people who want a "clean" list just start
>paying people to answer their questions for them?

Russ Johnson
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