[PLUG] Why is java is evil ???? (was "new guy with questions" )

Lancashire, Pete plancashire at ci.portland.or.us
Tue Jun 27 17:14:54 UTC 2006


not evil but ..

i was doing a gig where a lot of data validation
and conversion scripts were needed. Many were less
then 50 (working code not comments docs) lines of
perl.

i handed about a dozen of them to someone else to
do. he did them in Java.

some where run every time a file would show up in
a particular upload directory, some via a signal
from another process. some of those files would
show up a few per minute.

with java, the server cpu load went from a daily
max of 60% avg of 30% to a max of 100% and avg of
75%. RAM went through the roof, many times the
java processes would crap out mot having enough
memory.

i had to recode them myself, he refused to use
anything other the Java, it was against his religion
or something.

just venting ..

-pete



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Van Cleve [mailto:jvancleve at chrome.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:55 AM
> To: 'plug at lists.pdxlinux.org'
> Subject: RE: [PLUG] Why is java is evil ???? (was "new guy with
> questions" )
> 
> 
> I have read something about it.  But I haven't read of any cases where
> Java's license was ever an issue, and I think it very 
> unlikely that I will.
> Nothing is certain, but in this case we have a very potent and well
> established language which we can feel reasonably secure in 
> using.  A storm
> may roll in over the west hills this afternoon, but I'm not 
> carrying an
> umbrella.  You may call that idealism, but I call it getting 
> on with things.
> 
> --Jason V. C.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: plug-bounces at lists.pdxlinux.org 
> > [mailto:plug-bounces at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Carla Schroder
> > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 6:41 PM
> > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org
> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Why is java is evil ???? (was "new guy 
> > with questions" )
> > 
> > 
> > On Monday 26 June 2006 5:57 pm, Jason Van Cleve wrote:
> > >  But Mr. Ensley was
> > > asking about using Java for his Web app's and desktop 
> > app's, for which 
> > > Java is eminently suited.  The licensing issues 
> surrounding it have 
> > > been debated for years, but I would say it's more just 
> > idealism than 
> > > any practical consideration.
> > 
> > I take it you have not studied the rationale behind Free 
> > Software, and do not 
> > understand the very practical effects of it.  Blind idealism 
> > is trusting in 
> > the goodwill of a vendor, rather than in legally-binding 
> > software license 
> > that protects end-users and the hard work of developers.
> > 
> > -- 
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >  Carla Schroder
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