[PLUG] Why is java is evil ???? (was "new guy with questions" )

[Lancashire, Pete]

is there a gnu java clone project or something like that ?

-pete

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Ensley [mailto:bill at bearprinting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:14 AM
> To: 'General Linux/UNIX discussion and help; civil and on-topic'
> Subject: RE: [PLUG] Why is java is evil ???? (was "new guy with
> questions" )
> 
> 
> Thank you all for your responses.
> 
> What I gather is this:
> 
> Strictly as a programming language, Java is versatile and 
> powerfull (enough)
> to get the job done.
> 
> The evils as I understand them stem less from the language 
> and more from
> peoples perspective
> On what "free" software should and shouldn't be.
> 
> Is this about right?
> 
> -Bill Ensley
> Bear Printing
> 
> P.S.  Are there other languages that I should look at that 
> will allow me to
> share code
> Between desktop apps, server side apps and applets? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plug-bounces at lists.pdxlinux.org
> [mailto:plug-bounces at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Jason Van Cleve
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:55 AM
> To: 'plug at lists.pdxlinux.org'
> Subject: RE: [PLUG] Why is java is evil ???? (was "new guy 
> with questions" )
> 
> I have read something about it.  But I haven't read of any cases where
> Java's license was ever an issue, and I think it very 
> unlikely that I will.
> Nothing is certain, but in this case we have a very potent and well
> established language which we can feel reasonably secure in 
> using.  A storm
> may roll in over the west hills this afternoon, but I'm not 
> carrying an
> umbrella.  You may call that idealism, but I call it getting 
> on with things.
> 
> --Jason V. C.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: plug-bounces at lists.pdxlinux.org 
> > [mailto:plug-bounces at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Carla Schroder
> > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 6:41 PM
> > To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org
> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Why is java is evil ???? (was "new guy with 
> > questions" )
> > 
> > 
> > On Monday 26 June 2006 5:57 pm, Jason Van Cleve wrote:
> > >  But Mr. Ensley was
> > > asking about using Java for his Web app's and desktop
> > app's, for which
> > > Java is eminently suited.  The licensing issues 
> surrounding it have 
> > > been debated for years, but I would say it's more just
> > idealism than
> > > any practical consideration.
> > 
> > I take it you have not studied the rationale behind Free 
> Software, and 
> > do not understand the very practical effects of it.  Blind 
> idealism is 
> > trusting in the goodwill of a vendor, rather than in 
> legally-binding 
> > software license that protects end-users and the hard work of 
> > developers.
> > 
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