From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sun Oct 4 22:30:06 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 15:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] DIR_COLORS not working properly Message-ID: On a laptop, in /etc/DIR_COLORS I have files set to the same 01;33 as on other hosts, but files display only in blue (on a blue background) rather than in yellow. I cannot change the colors. What might I be doing incorrectly? Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sun Oct 4 22:49:44 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 15:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] DIR_COLORS not working properly [FIXED] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Oct 2015, Rich Shepard wrote: > What might I be doing incorrectly? The laptop was running urxvt rather than rxvt. Changed that and DIR_COLORS works as expected. Rich From ddsnell at frontier.com Sun Oct 4 22:56:27 2015 From: ddsnell at frontier.com (Dale Snell) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 15:56:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DIR_COLORS not working properly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20151004155627.0994af59@zothique.localdomain> On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 15:30:06 -0700 (PDT), in message alpine.LNX.2.11.1510041528130.23817 at localhost, Rich Shepard wrote: > On a laptop, in /etc/DIR_COLORS I have files set to the same 01;33 > as on other hosts, but files display only in blue (on a blue > background) rather than in yellow. I cannot change the colors. > > What might I be doing incorrectly? Rich, Are you modifying the right DIR_COLORS file? At least on my system (F22), there are three: $ ls -dl /etc/DIR_COLORS* -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 5081 Sep 16 12:01 /etc/DIR_COLORS -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 5697 Sep 16 12:01 /etc/DIR_COLORS.256color -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 5102 Sep 16 12:01 /etc/DIR_COLORS.lightbgcolor Just to confuse the issue, I have a file ~/.dir_colors where I make my own modifications to the standard files in /etc. You might check to see if you have one of those installed. Hope this helps. --Dale -- Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody thinks of complaining. -- Jeff Raskin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I found myself in it. -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity We do not make stupid-light racer geek crap. ~ Andy of Surly From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Mon Oct 5 22:59:12 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 15:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Patreon data breech In-Reply-To: <20151005225317.GA27304@jamhome.us> References: <20151005225317.GA27304@jamhome.us> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Oct 2015, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > If you supported artists through Patreon your data may be stolen. > The dataset is online. I found myself in it. Michael, Hope you have no issues resulting from the breech. It's not surprising to learn about another penetrated system. I doubt there's a business, organization, or government data set or point-of-sale system that has not been cracked. I've noticed, too, that since M$ released their on-line 365 stuff that I regularly get spam from their servers. Before this, it was the infrequent hotmail account that was used. Rich From dick at dicksteffens.com Tue Oct 6 18:37:12 2015 From: dick at dicksteffens.com (Dick Steffens) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:37:12 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Home network error Message-ID: <561414D8.1010604@dicksteffens.com> To keep a long story short, I was trying to use Wireshark on Ubuntu 12.04. (Keeping the story short, I won't go into why I wanted to use it.) When I started it up it said "No interface can be used ... See Capture Help below for details." When I clicked on "How to Capture" Chromium started up and opened to the Wireshark wiki page. I tried to follow a link, but got a lot of disk activity, very slow response to mouse movement, and no response to a mouse click on the close button. I tried to open a terminal window and shut down Chromium, but the machine would not respond to a T. Nothing I tried would stop whatever was going on, so I manually powered down the machine. When I started it back up most everything was normal. What doesn't work is connecting to my home network. Thunderbird and Firefox work fine so I know I can talk to the outside world. I can ssh into another Linux machine on the network. But I can't see the network with Nautilus. When I click on "Places > Network" I get a Nautilus window that shows the "Windows Network" icon. Normally I would see icons for at least two other machines. When I double click on the Windows Network icon I get a pop-up that says, Unable to mount location Failed to retrieve share list from server I tried restarting smbd, with no results. I tried restarting the machine with no improvement, either. Where should I be looking next? Thanks. -- Regards, Dick Steffens From dick at dicksteffens.com Tue Oct 6 19:53:56 2015 From: dick at dicksteffens.com (Dick Steffens) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 12:53:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Home network error In-Reply-To: <561414D8.1010604@dicksteffens.com> References: <561414D8.1010604@dicksteffens.com> Message-ID: <561426D4.9050607@dicksteffens.com> On 10/06/2015 11:37 AM, Dick Steffens wrote: > > > I can ssh into another Linux > machine on the network. But I can't see the network with Nautilus. When > I click on "Places > Network" I get a Nautilus window that shows the > "Windows Network" icon. Normally I would see icons for at least two > other machines. When I double click on the Windows Network icon I get a > pop-up that says, > > Unable to mount location > Failed to retrieve share list from server > More details. I went to a Linux laptop that was hibernating. When I tried to look at a network browsing window I get the same error message. I can go to my wife's Win-7 machine and see my desktop machine, and connect to it and view shared folders. I did a fresh install of Ubuntu 12.04 on a test machine this morning. I get the same error message on it, too. Does that jog any thoughts about where to look for the "share list" ? -- Regards, Dick Steffens From dafr+plug at dafr.us Tue Oct 6 20:14:15 2015 From: dafr+plug at dafr.us (David) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 13:14:15 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Home network error In-Reply-To: <561426D4.9050607@dicksteffens.com> References: <561414D8.1010604@dicksteffens.com> <561426D4.9050607@dicksteffens.com> Message-ID: <56142B97.60102@dafr.us> On 10/06/2015 12:53 PM, Dick Steffens wrote: > On 10/06/2015 11:37 AM, Dick Steffens wrote: >> >> >> I can ssh into another Linux >> machine on the network. But I can't see the network with Nautilus. When >> I click on "Places > Network" I get a Nautilus window that shows the >> "Windows Network" icon. Normally I would see icons for at least two >> other machines. When I double click on the Windows Network icon I get a >> pop-up that says, >> >> Unable to mount location >> Failed to retrieve share list from server >> > > More details. I went to a Linux laptop that was hibernating. When I > tried to look at a network browsing window I get the same error message. > > I can go to my wife's Win-7 machine and see my desktop machine, and > connect to it and view shared folders. > > I did a fresh install of Ubuntu 12.04 on a test machine this morning. I > get the same error message on it, too. > > Does that jog any thoughts about where to look for the "share list" ? Is portmap and Samba running? dafr From dick at dicksteffens.com Tue Oct 6 20:33:21 2015 From: dick at dicksteffens.com (Dick Steffens) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 13:33:21 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Home network error In-Reply-To: <56142B97.60102@dafr.us> References: <561414D8.1010604@dicksteffens.com> <561426D4.9050607@dicksteffens.com> <56142B97.60102@dafr.us> Message-ID: <56143011.5080407@dicksteffens.com> On 10/06/2015 01:14 PM, David wrote: > Is portmap and Samba running? rsteff at ENU-1:~$ ps ax | grep smb 3482 ? Ss 0:00 smbd -F 3484 ? S 0:00 smbd -F 3510 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto smb rsteff at ENU-1:~$ ps ax | grep samba 3512 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto samba rsteff at ENU-1:~$ ps ax | grep portmap 3514 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto portmap rsteff at ENU-1:~$ samba The program 'samba' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install samba4 rsteff at ENU-1:~$ sudo apt-get install samba4 ERROR: Well, the error message is in a crash report, which doesn't allow copying of the text on the screen. So, I'll just type a couple of the lines: DuplicateSignature package:samba4:4.0.0~alpha18.dfsg1-4ubuntu2:subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 126 -- Regards, Dick Steffens From dick at dicksteffens.com Tue Oct 6 21:43:09 2015 From: dick at dicksteffens.com (Dick Steffens) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 14:43:09 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] websites that seem to take over the machine Message-ID: <5614406D.5040206@dicksteffens.com> Twice today, websites I have visited have appeared to take over my machine. The first time was, as mentioned in my other thread, when I followed a link on the Wireshark wiki. The second time was while I was looking for answers to my other thread's problem and followed this link: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/03/how-to-fix-failed-to-retrieve-share-list-from-server-in-ubuntu-12-04-11-10-when-file-sharing-with-windows/ The symptoms were much hard disk activity, very slow response to moving the mouse, and very slow response to mouse button clicks. The first time I manually shut down the machine. The second time I waited until the mouse click got through and shut down Firefox. Should be concerned about what some web sites might have inflicted on my machine? If so, what would I look for, or better, how should I look for them. If it's to read a log, which one(s)? Thanks. -- Regards, Dick Steffens From russell at personaltelco.net Tue Oct 6 21:55:52 2015 From: russell at personaltelco.net (Russell Senior) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 14:55:52 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Home network error In-Reply-To: <561414D8.1010604@dicksteffens.com> (Dick Steffens's message of "Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:37:12 -0700") References: <561414D8.1010604@dicksteffens.com> Message-ID: <87pp0rll07.fsf@husum.klickitat.com> >>>>> "Dick" == Dick Steffens writes: Dick> To keep a long story short, I was trying to use Wireshark on Dick> Ubuntu 12.04. (Keeping the story short, I won't go into why I Dick> wanted to use it.) When I started it up it said "No interface can Dick> be used ... See Capture Help below for details." When I clicked on Dick> "How to Capture" Chromium started up and opened to the Wireshark Dick> wiki page. [...] sudo tcpdump -s0 -w /tmp/capture.pcap -i eth0 ^C wireshark /tmp/capture.pcap -- Russell Senior, President russell at personaltelco.net From dick at dicksteffens.com Tue Oct 6 22:09:49 2015 From: dick at dicksteffens.com (Dick Steffens) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:09:49 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Home network error In-Reply-To: <87pp0rll07.fsf@husum.klickitat.com> References: <561414D8.1010604@dicksteffens.com> <87pp0rll07.fsf@husum.klickitat.com> Message-ID: <561446AD.2040207@dicksteffens.com> On 10/06/2015 02:55 PM, Russell Senior wrote: >>>>>> "Dick" == Dick Steffens writes: > Dick> To keep a long story short, I was trying to use Wireshark on > Dick> Ubuntu 12.04. (Keeping the story short, I won't go into why I > Dick> wanted to use it.) When I started it up it said "No interface can > Dick> be used ... See Capture Help below for details." When I clicked on > Dick> "How to Capture" Chromium started up and opened to the Wireshark > Dick> wiki page. [...] > > sudo tcpdump -s0 -w /tmp/capture.pcap -i eth0 > ^C > wireshark /tmp/capture.pcap Thanks, Russell. The reason I wanted to look at network traffic became moot when I just decided that the installation I was trying to do with an Ubuntu mini iso CD wasn't doing anything, and I switched to an Ubuntu DVD. That installation succeeded, and I am using it with a turntable connected to the audio line in to record LPs with Audacity. -- Regards, Dick Steffens From dexter at ambidexter.com Tue Oct 6 22:24:11 2015 From: dexter at ambidexter.com (Michael Dexter) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:24:11 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] PLUG Call for Participation Message-ID: <56144A0B.3090407@ambidexter.com> Hello all, In my continuing effort to making a conference warrior out of each of you, I wish to remind you of PLUG's ongoing CFP. While PLUG will continue to have "invited talks" but I know you each have a fascinating talk up your sleeve. Submissions should include: A 50 to 300 word description/abstract of the talk Optional speaker(s) bio(s) Optional slides to be posted at pdxlinux.org Optional handouts Optional extended abstract and full academic paper Your availability (1st Thursday or 3rd Tuesday and month) Yes, some conferences require all of these but PLUG is about as flexible as it gets. I think we've had everything short of extended abstracts and papers. What is an academic paper? I consider it a formal historic snapshot of a project you are working on that clearly communicates what you set out to do and what you achieved. Tweets and blog posts are nice but it is very rewarding to establish a point of reference that with luck, will be referred to for decades. One such point of reference is Popek and Goldberg's definitive paper on Virtualization from 1974: http://www.cs.nyu.edu/courses/fall14/CSCI-GA.3033-010/popek-goldberg.pdf As a bonus I and perhaps other PLUG members will gladly help you flesh out ideas for talks. Any topic can be interesting if addressed from the right perspective and at the right depth. We want to hear about your unique experiences relating to a given subject. Yes, you are the local or possibly world expert on something and it's just a question of determining what that something is. If it is of interest to you, it certainly is of interest to someone else. Send your talk proposals to me at dexter at ambidexter.com or to the list CC'ing me for peer review and ideas. I look forward to your submissions! Next slot: December Advanced Topics, Tuesday the 16th Michael Dexter PLUG Volunteer From keithl at gate.kl-ic.com Thu Oct 8 13:39:13 2015 From: keithl at gate.kl-ic.com (Keith Lofstrom) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 06:39:13 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] websites that seem to take over the machine In-Reply-To: <5614406D.5040206@dicksteffens.com> References: <5614406D.5040206@dicksteffens.com> Message-ID: <20151008133913.GB24463@gate.kl-ic.com> On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 02:43:09PM -0700, Dick Steffens wrote: > http://www.liberiangeek.net/ ... > The symptoms were much hard disk activity, very slow response to > moving the mouse, and very slow response to mouse button clicks. That website has ad boxes down the side. Multiple video ads can choke Firefox on a lower-performance machine. They do on my older laptop (single core, 1.5 GB of RAM). Control-alt-backspace, though firefox "helpfully" restores all the sites I had queued up when I killed X. I should learn more about adblock - perhaps so should you. It is helpful to kill -9 and restart Firefox from time to time. That frees up RAM, and helps me pretend I'm still in control. Keith -- Keith Lofstrom keithl at keithl.com From wamorita at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 14:04:06 2015 From: wamorita at gmail.com (Bill Morita) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 09:04:06 -0500 Subject: [PLUG] websites that seem to take over the machine In-Reply-To: <20151008133913.GB24463@gate.kl-ic.com> References: <5614406D.5040206@dicksteffens.com> <20151008133913.GB24463@gate.kl-ic.com> Message-ID: FYI Using Chrome with AdBlocker seem to be effective -- Bill Morita 512-569-6387 (Cell) On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 02:43:09PM -0700, Dick Steffens wrote: > > > http://www.liberiangeek.net/ ... > > The symptoms were much hard disk activity, very slow response to > > moving the mouse, and very slow response to mouse button clicks. > > That website has ad boxes down the side. Multiple video ads can > choke Firefox on a lower-performance machine. They do on my older > laptop (single core, 1.5 GB of RAM). Control-alt-backspace, > though firefox "helpfully" restores all the sites I had queued > up when I killed X. I should learn more about adblock - perhaps > so should you. > > It is helpful to kill -9 and restart Firefox from time to time. > That frees up RAM, and helps me pretend I'm still in control. > > Keith > > -- > Keith Lofstrom keithl at keithl.com > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From dick at dicksteffens.com Thu Oct 8 14:17:01 2015 From: dick at dicksteffens.com (Dick Steffens) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 07:17:01 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] websites that seem to take over the machine In-Reply-To: References: <5614406D.5040206@dicksteffens.com> <20151008133913.GB24463@gate.kl-ic.com> Message-ID: <56167ADD.7010307@dicksteffens.com> On 10/08/2015 07:04 AM, Bill Morita wrote: > FYI > Using Chrome with AdBlocker seem to be effective Thanks. I tried Chrome some time back and didn't care for it. -- Regards, Dick Steffens From wamorita at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 15:00:14 2015 From: wamorita at gmail.com (Bill Morita) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 10:00:14 -0500 Subject: [PLUG] websites that seem to take over the machine In-Reply-To: <56167ADD.7010307@dicksteffens.com> References: <5614406D.5040206@dicksteffens.com> <20151008133913.GB24463@gate.kl-ic.com> <56167ADD.7010307@dicksteffens.com> Message-ID: Chrome or Chromium ? -- Bill Morita 512-569-6387 (Cell) On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Dick Steffens wrote: > On 10/08/2015 07:04 AM, Bill Morita wrote: > > FYI > > Using Chrome with AdBlocker seem to be effective > > Thanks. I tried Chrome some time back and didn't care for it. > > -- > Regards, > > Dick Steffens > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From dick at dicksteffens.com Thu Oct 8 15:03:30 2015 From: dick at dicksteffens.com (Dick Steffens) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 08:03:30 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] websites that seem to take over the machine In-Reply-To: References: <5614406D.5040206@dicksteffens.com> <20151008133913.GB24463@gate.kl-ic.com> <56167ADD.7010307@dicksteffens.com> Message-ID: <561685C2.6090407@dicksteffens.com> On 10/08/2015 08:00 AM, Bill Morita wrote: > Chrome or Chromium ? Both, actually. -- Regards, Dick Steffens From orevedantateacher at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 16:44:04 2015 From: orevedantateacher at gmail.com (Vedanta Teacher) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 09:44:04 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] PLUG Call for Participation In-Reply-To: <56144A0B.3090407@ambidexter.com> References: <56144A0B.3090407@ambidexter.com> Message-ID: Everyone, I had to think before I responded to this. I could give several talks but they wouldn't relate to Linux or computers. I could speak about: #1: The Bhagavad-gita. But I would need to introduce a series of words in Sanskrit and concepts from Vedanta. The Bhagavad-gita is so vast that even with 1-2 hours I could only gloss over it. I'm currently awaiting my certification in the Bhagavad-gita from the Chinmaya International Foundation in Kerala. #2: I could give talks on Vedanta (advanced Hindu theology) but again I would need to introduce words and concepts in Sanskrit. Interestingly, Vedanta presages quantum mechanics in many areas. #3: I'm currently researching The Paris Commune of 1870 which is quite interesting. I'm reading a series of speeches by Karl Marx which are quite applicable to things going on in this country today. But I have several months of research to do. #4: I could also give a lucid talk about the mess in Syria, Yemen, etc. but I would need to go back to the Picot-Sykes Agreement and before. Anything I would do couldn't be until spring of next year. Blessings, Paul On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Michael Dexter wrote: > > Hello all, > > In my continuing effort to making a conference warrior out of each of > you, I wish to remind you of PLUG's ongoing CFP. > > While PLUG will continue to have "invited talks" but I know you each > have a fascinating talk up your sleeve. > > Submissions should include: > > A 50 to 300 word description/abstract of the talk > > Optional speaker(s) bio(s) > > Optional slides to be posted at pdxlinux.org > > Optional handouts > > Optional extended abstract and full academic paper > > Your availability (1st Thursday or 3rd Tuesday and month) > > Yes, some conferences require all of these but PLUG is about as flexible > as it gets. I think we've had everything short of extended abstracts and > papers. What is an academic paper? I consider it a formal historic > snapshot of a project you are working on that clearly communicates what > you set out to do and what you achieved. Tweets and blog posts are nice > but it is very rewarding to establish a point of reference that with > luck, will be referred to for decades. One such point of reference is > Popek and Goldberg's definitive paper on Virtualization from 1974: > > http://www.cs.nyu.edu/courses/fall14/CSCI-GA.3033-010/popek-goldberg.pdf > > As a bonus I and perhaps other PLUG members will gladly help you flesh > out ideas for talks. Any topic can be interesting if addressed from the > right perspective and at the right depth. We want to hear about your > unique experiences relating to a given subject. Yes, you are the local > or possibly world expert on something and it's just a question of > determining what that something is. If it is of interest to you, it > certainly is of interest to someone else. > > Send your talk proposals to me at dexter at ambidexter.com or to the list > CC'ing me for peer review and ideas. > > I look forward to your submissions! > > Next slot: December Advanced Topics, Tuesday the 16th > > Michael Dexter > PLUG Volunteer > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From kingbeowulf at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 14:18:11 2015 From: kingbeowulf at gmail.com (King Beowulf) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 07:18:11 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] websites that seem to take over the machine In-Reply-To: <5614406D.5040206@dicksteffens.com> References: <5614406D.5040206@dicksteffens.com> Message-ID: On Tuesday, October 6, 2015, Dick Steffens wrote: > Twice today, websites I have visited have appeared to take over ... > > The symptoms were much hard disk activity, very slow response to moving > the mouse, and very slow response to mouse button clicks. > > The first time I manually shut down the machine. The second time I > waited until the mouse click got through and shut down Firefox. > > To regain control over web surfing so that sites don't bog down your system: 1. turn off flash plugin. activate only when needed 2. disable scripts, or use extension such ad noscript to control which scripts you allow to run 3. use an ad blocker to help decide which afs get through and which don't -ed -- You! What PLANET is this! -- McCoy, "The City on the Edge of Forever", stardate 3134.0 From rowlett at cloud85.net Fri Oct 9 13:42:42 2015 From: rowlett at cloud85.net (Richard Owlett) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 08:42:42 -0500 Subject: [PLUG] websites that seem to take over the machine In-Reply-To: <56167ADD.7010307@dicksteffens.com> References: <5614406D.5040206@dicksteffens.com> <20151008133913.GB24463@gate.kl-ic.com> <56167ADD.7010307@dicksteffens.com> Message-ID: <5617C452.5020007@cloud85.net> Dick Steffens wrote: > On 10/08/2015 07:04 AM, Bill Morita wrote: >> FYI >> Using Chrome with AdBlocker seem to be effective > > Thanks. I tried Chrome some time back and didn't care for it. > As I've only been off 56k dialup a few months, I don't surf with *EITHER* cookies or JavaScript enabled. Now where is my 026 and CK722's ;/ From joeniski at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 15:12:48 2015 From: joeniski at gmail.com (Joe Shisei Niski) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 08:12:48 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] websites that seem to take over the machine In-Reply-To: References: <5614406D.5040206@dicksteffens.com> Message-ID: <5617D970.20509@gmail.com> On 10/09/2015 07:18 AM, King Beowulf wrote: > On Tuesday, October 6, 2015, Dick Steffens wrote: > >> Twice today, websites I have visited have appeared to take over > ... > >> The symptoms were much hard disk activity, very slow response to moving >> the mouse, and very slow response to mouse button clicks. >> >> The first time I manually shut down the machine. The second time I >> waited until the mouse click got through and shut down Firefox. >> >> > To regain control over web surfing so that sites don't bog down your system: > > 1. turn off flash plugin. activate only when needed > 2. disable scripts, or use extension such ad noscript to control which > scripts you allow to run > 3. use an ad blocker to help decide which afs get through and which don't > > -ed all good advice, to which I add Ghostery, an Adblock analogue for tracking cookies and beacons. ________________________________________ Joe Shisei Niski Portland, Oregon, USA ?? From raanders42 at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 15:24:20 2015 From: raanders42 at gmail.com (Roderick Anderson) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 08:24:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] websites that seem to take over the machine In-Reply-To: <5617D970.20509@gmail.com> References: <5614406D.5040206@dicksteffens.com> <5617D970.20509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5617DC24.8050006@gmail.com> On 10/09/2015 08:12 AM, Joe Shisei Niski wrote: > > On 10/09/2015 07:18 AM, King Beowulf wrote: >> On Tuesday, October 6, 2015, Dick Steffens wrote: >> >>> Twice today, websites I have visited have appeared to take over >> ... >> >>> The symptoms were much hard disk activity, very slow response to moving >>> the mouse, and very slow response to mouse button clicks. >>> >>> The first time I manually shut down the machine. The second time I >>> waited until the mouse click got through and shut down Firefox. >>> >>> >> To regain control over web surfing so that sites don't bog down your system: >> >> 1. turn off flash plugin. activate only when needed >> 2. disable scripts, or use extension such ad noscript to control which >> scripts you allow to run >> 3. use an ad blocker to help decide which afs get through and which don't >> >> -ed > > all good advice, to which I add Ghostery, an Adblock analogue for > tracking cookies and beacons. And if you are into blocking those trackers that Ghostery does not catch look at Privacy Badger. 73, Rod -- > > ________________________________________ > Joe Shisei Niski > Portland, Oregon, USA > ?? > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From eshelbyk at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 17:35:41 2015 From: eshelbyk at gmail.com (Ken Eshelby) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:35:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] websites that seem to take over the machine In-Reply-To: <5617DC24.8050006@gmail.com> References: <5614406D.5040206@dicksteffens.com> <5617D970.20509@gmail.com> <5617DC24.8050006@gmail.com> Message-ID: Great stuff! With adblock being sold to an unknown entity recently, I've moved on to ublock origin. -- Ken PGP Key Fingerprint 7F29 C36C 4607 8C14 C82D 5DEA 1C1D F5D9 DBA0 F9AF From denis.heidtmann at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 01:58:41 2015 From: denis.heidtmann at gmail.com (Denis Heidtmann) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 18:58:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] websites that seem to take over the machine In-Reply-To: References: <5614406D.5040206@dicksteffens.com> <5617D970.20509@gmail.com> <5617DC24.8050006@gmail.com> Message-ID: This subject would be a great topic for a meeting. I would love to understand something of the ins and outs of ads, blocking, and resources for controlling what happens during browsing. -Denis On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Ken Eshelby wrote: > Great stuff! > > With adblock being sold to an unknown entity recently, I've moved on to > ublock origin. > > > > -- > Ken > > PGP Key Fingerprint > 7F29 C36C 4607 8C14 C82D 5DEA 1C1D F5D9 DBA0 F9AF > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From ramunro at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 10 09:36:19 2015 From: ramunro at speakeasy.net (Robert Munro) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 02:36:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] websites that seem to take over the machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5618DC13.6050202@speakeasy.net> Thanks to all for suggesting ublock origin, noscript and ghostery, all of which I've just added to Firefox ESR 38.3 and am happy with so far. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From joeniski at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 23:31:19 2015 From: joeniski at gmail.com (Joe Shisei Niski) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:31:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] multi-function color laser printer for home office In-Reply-To: References: <55CA2585.8000307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56199FC7.2070702@gmail.com> On 08/11/2015 01:32 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 11 Aug 2015, Joe Shisei Niski wrote: > >> >My initial research shows that multifunction color lasers (some of which >> >are powered by LEDs rather than real lasers) have come way down in price >> >in recent years. The HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M277dw looks great. Does anyone on >> >this list have experience or recommendations with this model or >> >near-equivalents? > Joe, > > I've no idea how 'near-equivalent' my Color LaserJet 2550L might be to the > model you're considering, but that's the model I have and I like it very > much. It is strictly a color LJ printer (unifunction), but does it well. My > need for color printing is low and toner does not dry and clog like a > low-use color inkjet printer's ink and print heads. One of the colors shows > low on toner; it's been that way since I bought it, but the few dozen or so > color pages I've printed have not run it dry. > > Based on my experience you would not go wrong to buy an HP color LJ. > > HTH, > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > Thanks, Rich, and others who participted in the original thread. Our Color LaserJet Pro MFP M277dw arrived this week, and the setup was pretty easy, thanks to HPLIP. Color photos look surprisingly good on regular paper, network scanning is a breeze, and it's super-fast compared to our old LaserJet 5m. ______________________ Joe Shisei Niski Portland, Oregon, USA ?? From mkosmal at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 21:34:35 2015 From: mkosmal at gmail.com (Marvin Kosmal) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:34:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem Message-ID: Hi Where is a good place to get a DSL modem.. I have TDS and have their DSL modem in house. I have another building I am running a phone line to. I thought it might just be easier if I bought my own DSL modem for that installation.? Any ideas? Thanks Marvin From bergie at bergie.net Fri Oct 16 21:39:23 2015 From: bergie at bergie.net (Jason Bergstrom) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:39:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20151016213923.GA638@jack.bergie.net> I know I've got 3 of them that I can now part with. Otherwise, they do show up at most of the Goodwill stores as well. Jason, bergie at bergie.net On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 02:34:35PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > Hi > > Where is a good place to get a DSL modem.. > > I have TDS and have their DSL modem in house. I have another building I > am running a phone line to. I thought it might just be easier if I bought > my own DSL modem for that installation.? > > Any ideas? > > Thanks > > Marvin > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From genaro at pdx.edu Fri Oct 16 21:46:42 2015 From: genaro at pdx.edu (Genaro Hernandez) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:46:42 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] I can't login to my Ubuntu laptop anymore. It keeps looping at the login. Message-ID: Hi. I would appreciate it if someone could help me with my issue. It's my only laptop and I really need it for my schoolwork. *The issue* is that something went wrong with my Ubuntu 14.04 because at the GUI login, I enter my password, it looks like it accepts it, then it says something went wrong, and finally returns me to the login. *I tried to* login with the shell but my password is not accepted. *Someone suggested* I do this: "boot into a live cd/dvd/usb and you'll have a working ubuntu desktop. use the file manager to mount the internal drive (it'll just be named by size, like "60GB drive") and copy off what you need. then reinstall like normal" Can someone tell me if that is good advice? If so, can you provide me with more relevant information (e.g. links to any web pages/videos)? You can let me know if I should just do some online searches myself. I did find this link on how to create a bootable usb stick on Ubuntu: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu. Thank you for all of your help. From galens at seitzassoc.com Fri Oct 16 21:57:14 2015 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:57:14 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562172BA.6090108@seitzassoc.com> On 10/16/15 14:34, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > Hi > > Where is a good place to get a DSL modem.. > > I have TDS and have their DSL modem in house. I have another building I > am running a phone line to. I thought it might just be easier if I bought > my own DSL modem for that installation.? > > Any ideas? It's likely I have a Zoom modem I could give you. What are you using now? BTW, what's TDS? galen -- Galen Seitz galens at seitzassoc.com From bill at billbarry.org Fri Oct 16 22:04:36 2015 From: bill at billbarry.org (Bill Barry) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:04:36 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > Hi > > Where is a good place to get a DSL modem.. > > I have TDS and have their DSL modem in house. I have another building I > am running a phone line to. I thought it might just be easier if I bought > my own DSL modem for that installation.? > > Any ideas? > How about ebay or craigslist or Goodwill. There are plenty of good used ones around. Maybe Free Geek has one. Bill From john at meissen.org Fri Oct 16 22:39:53 2015 From: john at meissen.org (John Meissen) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:39:53 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: (Your message of Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:34:35 -0700.) Message-ID: <20151016223953.59B7917F706@john> > > Where is a good place to get a DSL modem.. > > I have TDS and have their DSL modem in house. I have another building I > am running a phone line to. I thought it might just be easier if I bought > my own DSL modem for that installation.? > I have a Westell 6100 (E90-610015-06) that you can have. I might even still have the power brick somewhere.... http://www.manualslib.com/manual/190101/Westell-Technologies-Westell-Liteline-6000.html john- From kingbeowulf at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 22:48:37 2015 From: kingbeowulf at gmail.com (King Beowulf) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:48:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56217EC5.10208@gmail.com> On 10/16/2015 02:34 PM, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > Hi > > Where is a good place to get a DSL modem.. > > I have TDS and have their DSL modem in house. I have another building I > am running a phone line to. I thought it might just be easier if I bought > my own DSL modem for that installation.? > > Any ideas? > > Thanks > > Marvin It depends. Is the other building next to the house? You can run a phone line to it but you won't need a DSL modem for voice calls. DSL modems are for internet and you typically just have one per internet account. If this is the case (building is adjacent to house), I would just run a phone line (voice) and cat5 or 6 cable from the modem/router for internet. -Ed From neil at aliens.la Sat Oct 17 00:06:32 2015 From: neil at aliens.la (NEIL) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 17:06:32 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] I can't login to my Ubuntu laptop anymore. It keeps looping at the login. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56219108.3050700@aliens.la> Yes. You can use a Linux Live CD to do this or a USB flash drive. You'd just need to make sure that you switch your BIOS to boot off of it. In addition to doing what they suggested, you could try to figure out what is going wrong with the configuration and try to fix it, but it could be more trouble than wiping it out and starting over. Neil On 10/16/2015 2:46 PM, Genaro Hernandez wrote: > Hi. I would appreciate it if someone could help me with my issue. It's my > only laptop and I really need it for my schoolwork. > > *The issue* is that something went wrong with my Ubuntu 14.04 because at > the GUI login, I enter my password, it looks like it accepts it, then it > says something went wrong, and finally returns me to the login. > > *I tried to* login with the shell but my password is not accepted. > > *Someone suggested* I do this: > > "boot into a live cd/dvd/usb and you'll have a working ubuntu desktop. use > the file manager to mount the internal drive (it'll just be named by size, > like "60GB drive") and copy off what you need. then reinstall like normal" > > Can someone tell me if that is good advice? If so, can you provide me with > more relevant information (e.g. links to any web pages/videos)? You can let > me know if I should just do some online searches myself. I did find this > link on how to create a bootable usb stick on Ubuntu: > http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu. > > Thank you for all of your help. > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From mkosmal at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 00:12:07 2015 From: mkosmal at gmail.com (Marvin Kosmal) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 17:12:07 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: <56217EC5.10208@gmail.com> References: <56217EC5.10208@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi John. I would love to have the Westell 6100 Of course each DSL Router will have it's own IP address.. What I will do is only run one at a time. Shut off the one I am not using and turn on the other. That should work? I am slow at times. Marvin On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 3:48 PM, King Beowulf wrote: > On 10/16/2015 02:34 PM, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > > Hi > > > > Where is a good place to get a DSL modem.. > > > > I have TDS and have their DSL modem in house. I have another building I > > am running a phone line to. I thought it might just be easier if I > bought > > my own DSL modem for that installation.? > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks > > > > Marvin > > It depends. Is the other building next to the house? You can run a > phone line to it but you won't need a DSL modem for voice calls. DSL > modems are for internet and you typically just have one per internet > account. If this is the case (building is adjacent to house), I would > just run a phone line (voice) and cat5 or 6 cable from the modem/router > for internet. > > -Ed > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From neil at aliens.la Sat Oct 17 00:51:37 2015 From: neil at aliens.la (NEIL) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 17:51:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] AWS Soln Architect Exam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56219B99.9070002@aliens.la> Hi Re: Amazon Web Services Solution Architect Exam I'm in the process of studying for this certification exam. Is anyone here interested in talking about this ? I'm compiling some notes about what I think are important. Let's trade notes on this subject. Neil From michael at jamhome.us Sat Oct 17 00:57:27 2015 From: michael at jamhome.us (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 17:57:27 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] I can't login to my Ubuntu laptop anymore. It keeps looping at the login. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20151017005727.GA11255@jamhome.us> you can boot into th live thingy mount your drive # assume you mount it at /mnt for this idea edit /mnt/etc/shadow to nullify your password (the : are delimiters) example before: mikeraz:$6$rW.YSVJM$1EIrCggPMyF/i8D/Inh/DG53jZzgk5L41zc447Br8HMqqBNgDOFg9NDpMfiK3..utf7xNC.KoNprygxONEduW1:16522:0:99999:7::: example after: mikeraz::16522:0:99999:7::: verify your homedir exists ls /mnt/home/ ls /mnt/home/mikeraz # in this example close everything down and try booting and logging in again. Side Question: What is your self assesment for tech skill and interest? On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 02:46:42PM -0700, Genaro Hernandez wrote: > Hi. I would appreciate it if someone could help me with my issue. It's my > only laptop and I really need it for my schoolwork. > > *The issue* is that something went wrong with my Ubuntu 14.04 because at > the GUI login, I enter my password, it looks like it accepts it, then it > says something went wrong, and finally returns me to the login. > > *I tried to* login with the shell but my password is not accepted. > > *Someone suggested* I do this: > > "boot into a live cd/dvd/usb and you'll have a working ubuntu desktop. use > the file manager to mount the internal drive (it'll just be named by size, > like "60GB drive") and copy off what you need. then reinstall like normal" > > Can someone tell me if that is good advice? If so, can you provide me with > more relevant information (e.g. links to any web pages/videos)? You can let > me know if I should just do some online searches myself. I did find this > link on how to create a bootable usb stick on Ubuntu: > http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu. > > Thank you for all of your help. > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity "Frobyshnobskurov?", I asked them, looking pleading. I think I was asking for drain cleaner but they cottoned on when I dabbed my finger on the map.Frobyshnobskurov, it said, plain as life. "Ah," said a warty one, finally understanding, "Frropbussplanshikoo-ROFF!" Hungarian is like that. ~ Cross country bike tourist Leo Woodland From john at meissen.org Sat Oct 17 01:17:31 2015 From: john at meissen.org (John Meissen) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 18:17:31 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: (Your message of Fri, 16 Oct 2015 17:12:07 -0700.) Message-ID: <20151017011731.9C9E317F706@john> > > John. I would love to have the Westell 6100 > > Of course each DSL Router will have it's own IP address.. What I will do > is only run one at a time. Shut off the one I am not using and turn on > the other. That should work? I honestly don't know. I'm in Beaverton. Whereabouts are you? I'll probably be out running errands at some point tomorrow, if you're not too far out of the way I could swing by and drop it off. I'll look for the power brick tonight. john- From david at dgibbons.net Sat Oct 17 01:28:35 2015 From: david at dgibbons.net (David Gibbons) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 18:28:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: <20151017011731.9C9E317F706@john> References: <20151017011731.9C9E317F706@john> Message-ID: If you're needing to run wire for this, I would strongly suggest you forgo running telephone line for data and run cat5 instead. I think you'll find your success rate much higher. On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:17 PM, John Meissen wrote: > > > > John. I would love to have the Westell 6100 > > > > Of course each DSL Router will have it's own IP address.. What I will do > > is only run one at a time. Shut off the one I am not using and turn on > > the other. That should work? > > I honestly don't know. > > I'm in Beaverton. Whereabouts are you? I'll probably be out running > errands at > some point tomorrow, if you're not too far out of the way I could swing by > and > drop it off. > > I'll look for the power brick tonight. > > john- > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From mkosmal at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 01:30:09 2015 From: mkosmal at gmail.com (Marvin Kosmal) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 18:30:09 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: <20151017011731.9C9E317F706@john> References: <20151017011731.9C9E317F706@john> Message-ID: John I will be at the PSU Farmers Market tomorrow.. Can you go there? Marvin On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:17 PM, John Meissen wrote: > > > > John. I would love to have the Westell 6100 > > > > Of course each DSL Router will have it's own IP address.. What I will do > > is only run one at a time. Shut off the one I am not using and turn on > > the other. That should work? > > I honestly don't know. > > I'm in Beaverton. Whereabouts are you? I'll probably be out running > errands at > some point tomorrow, if you're not too far out of the way I could swing by > and > drop it off. > > I'll look for the power brick tonight. > > john- > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From mkosmal at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 01:33:34 2015 From: mkosmal at gmail.com (Marvin Kosmal) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 18:33:34 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: References: <20151017011731.9C9E317F706@john> Message-ID: All I have to run now Back about 10:30 Marvin On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > John > > I will be at the PSU Farmers Market tomorrow.. > > Can you go there? > > Marvin > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:17 PM, John Meissen wrote: > >> > >> > John. I would love to have the Westell 6100 >> > >> > Of course each DSL Router will have it's own IP address.. What I will >> do >> > is only run one at a time. Shut off the one I am not using and turn on >> > the other. That should work? >> >> I honestly don't know. >> >> I'm in Beaverton. Whereabouts are you? I'll probably be out running >> errands at >> some point tomorrow, if you're not too far out of the way I could swing >> by and >> drop it off. >> >> I'll look for the power brick tonight. >> >> john- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PLUG mailing list >> PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > > From genaro at pdx.edu Sat Oct 17 02:07:24 2015 From: genaro at pdx.edu (Genaro Hernandez) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 19:07:24 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] I can't login to my Ubuntu laptop anymore. It keeps looping at the login. In-Reply-To: <56219108.3050700@aliens.la> References: <56219108.3050700@aliens.la> Message-ID: Thank you Neil. On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:06 PM, NEIL wrote: > Yes. You can use a Linux Live CD to do this or a USB flash drive. > You'd just need to make sure that you switch your BIOS to boot off of it. > > In addition to doing what they suggested, you could try to figure out > what is going wrong with the configuration and try to fix it, but it > could be more trouble than wiping it out and starting over. > > Neil > > > On 10/16/2015 2:46 PM, Genaro Hernandez wrote: > > Hi. I would appreciate it if someone could help me with my issue. It's my > > only laptop and I really need it for my schoolwork. > > > > *The issue* is that something went wrong with my Ubuntu 14.04 because at > > the GUI login, I enter my password, it looks like it accepts it, then it > > says something went wrong, and finally returns me to the login. > > > > *I tried to* login with the shell but my password is not accepted. > > > > *Someone suggested* I do this: > > > > "boot into a live cd/dvd/usb and you'll have a working ubuntu desktop. > use > > the file manager to mount the internal drive (it'll just be named by > size, > > like "60GB drive") and copy off what you need. then reinstall like > normal" > > > > Can someone tell me if that is good advice? If so, can you provide me > with > > more relevant information (e.g. links to any web pages/videos)? You can > let > > me know if I should just do some online searches myself. I did find this > > link on how to create a bootable usb stick on Ubuntu: > > http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu. > > > > Thank you for all of your help. > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From genaro at pdx.edu Sat Oct 17 02:07:51 2015 From: genaro at pdx.edu (Genaro Hernandez) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 19:07:51 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] I can't login to my Ubuntu laptop anymore. It keeps looping at the login. In-Reply-To: <20151017005727.GA11255@jamhome.us> References: <20151017005727.GA11255@jamhome.us> Message-ID: Thank you Michael. On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > you can > boot into th live thingy > mount your drive # assume you mount it at /mnt for this idea > edit /mnt/etc/shadow to nullify your password (the : are delimiters) > example before: > > mikeraz:$6$rW.YSVJM$1EIrCggPMyF/i8D/Inh/DG53jZzgk5L41zc447Br8HMqqBNgDOFg9NDpMfiK3..utf7xNC.KoNprygxONEduW1:16522:0:99999:7::: > example after: > mikeraz::16522:0:99999:7::: > > verify your homedir exists > ls /mnt/home/ > ls /mnt/home/mikeraz # in this example > > close everything down and try booting and logging in again. > > Side Question: What is your self assesment for tech skill and interest? > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 02:46:42PM -0700, Genaro Hernandez wrote: > > Hi. I would appreciate it if someone could help me with my issue. It's my > > only laptop and I really need it for my schoolwork. > > > > *The issue* is that something went wrong with my Ubuntu 14.04 because at > > the GUI login, I enter my password, it looks like it accepts it, then it > > says something went wrong, and finally returns me to the login. > > > > *I tried to* login with the shell but my password is not accepted. > > > > *Someone suggested* I do this: > > > > "boot into a live cd/dvd/usb and you'll have a working ubuntu desktop. > use > > the file manager to mount the internal drive (it'll just be named by > size, > > like "60GB drive") and copy off what you need. then reinstall like > normal" > > > > Can someone tell me if that is good advice? If so, can you provide me > with > > more relevant information (e.g. links to any web pages/videos)? You can > let > > me know if I should just do some online searches myself. I did find this > > link on how to create a bootable usb stick on Ubuntu: > > http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu. > > > > Thank you for all of your help. > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > -- > Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon > Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity > "Frobyshnobskurov?", I asked them, looking pleading. I think I was asking > for drain cleaner but they cottoned on when I dabbed my finger on the > map.Frobyshnobskurov, it said, plain as life. "Ah," said a warty one, > finally understanding, "Frropbussplanshikoo-ROFF!" Hungarian is like that. > ~ Cross country bike tourist Leo Woodland > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From mkosmal at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 05:22:19 2015 From: mkosmal at gmail.com (Marvin Kosmal) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:22:19 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: <20151017011731.9C9E317F706@john> References: <20151017011731.9C9E317F706@john> Message-ID: John Did you ever find the brick? Marvin On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:17 PM, John Meissen wrote: > > > > John. I would love to have the Westell 6100 > > > > Of course each DSL Router will have it's own IP address.. What I will do > > is only run one at a time. Shut off the one I am not using and turn on > > the other. That should work? > > I honestly don't know. > > I'm in Beaverton. Whereabouts are you? I'll probably be out running > errands at > some point tomorrow, if you're not too far out of the way I could swing by > and > drop it off. > > I'll look for the power brick tonight. > > john- > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From mkosmal at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 05:25:24 2015 From: mkosmal at gmail.com (Marvin Kosmal) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:25:24 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: <20151016213923.GA638@jack.bergie.net> References: <20151016213923.GA638@jack.bergie.net> Message-ID: Jason If John can't find his. I would gladly take one off your hands. Marvin On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Jason Bergstrom wrote: > I know I've got 3 of them that I can now part with. > Otherwise, they do show up at most of the Goodwill stores as well. > > Jason, > bergie at bergie.net > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 02:34:35PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > > Hi > > > > Where is a good place to get a DSL modem.. > > > > I have TDS and have their DSL modem in house. I have another building I > > am running a phone line to. I thought it might just be easier if I > bought > > my own DSL modem for that installation.? > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks > > > > Marvin > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From bergie at bergie.net Sat Oct 17 05:32:21 2015 From: bergie at bergie.net (Jason Bergstrom) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:32:21 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: References: <20151016213923.GA638@jack.bergie.net> Message-ID: <20151017053221.GA9425@jack.bergie.net> Yes, do let me know. They will head towards Free Geek at some point next year, as I have bad last mile, and cannot make use of the copper for transit. Two are the older Actiontec GT701, the newer one is an Actiontec C1000A. Any/all are up for grabs. Jason, bergie at bergie.net On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:25:24PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > Jason > > If John can't find his. I would gladly take one off your hands. > > Marvin > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Jason Bergstrom wrote: > > > I know I've got 3 of them that I can now part with. > > Otherwise, they do show up at most of the Goodwill stores as well. > > > > Jason, > > bergie at bergie.net > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 02:34:35PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > Where is a good place to get a DSL modem.. > > > > > > I have TDS and have their DSL modem in house. I have another building I > > > am running a phone line to. I thought it might just be easier if I > > bought > > > my own DSL modem for that installation.? > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Marvin > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From mkosmal at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 05:35:41 2015 From: mkosmal at gmail.com (Marvin Kosmal) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:35:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: <20151017053221.GA9425@jack.bergie.net> References: <20151016213923.GA638@jack.bergie.net> <20151017053221.GA9425@jack.bergie.net> Message-ID: Jason How do *I get one?* *Marvin* *Where are you? I am at Farmers Markets both Sat and Sunday* On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Jason Bergstrom wrote: > Yes, do let me know. > > They will head towards Free Geek at some point next year, as > I have bad last mile, and cannot make use of the copper for transit. > > Two are the older Actiontec GT701, the newer one is an Actiontec > C1000A. Any/all are up for grabs. > > Jason, > bergie at bergie.net > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:25:24PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > > Jason > > > > If John can't find his. I would gladly take one off your hands. > > > > Marvin > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Jason Bergstrom > wrote: > > > > > I know I've got 3 of them that I can now part with. > > > Otherwise, they do show up at most of the Goodwill stores as well. > > > > > > Jason, > > > bergie at bergie.net > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 02:34:35PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > Where is a good place to get a DSL modem.. > > > > > > > > I have TDS and have their DSL modem in house. I have another > building I > > > > am running a phone line to. I thought it might just be easier if I > > > bought > > > > my own DSL modem for that installation.? > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Marvin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From bergie at bergie.net Sat Oct 17 05:57:41 2015 From: bergie at bergie.net (Jason Bergstrom) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:57:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: References: <20151016213923.GA638@jack.bergie.net> <20151017053221.GA9425@jack.bergie.net> Message-ID: <20151017055741.GA9601@jack.bergie.net> I'm in Hillsdale, but would likely have to make other arrangements, as this Saturday/Sunday I'm tied up until early afternoon. I may be able to drop off in the evenings, if I know where to head. Jason, bergie at bergie.net On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:35:41PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > Jason > > How do > > *I get one?* > > > *Marvin* > > *Where are you? I am at Farmers Markets both Sat and Sunday* > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Jason Bergstrom wrote: > > > Yes, do let me know. > > > > They will head towards Free Geek at some point next year, as > > I have bad last mile, and cannot make use of the copper for transit. > > > > Two are the older Actiontec GT701, the newer one is an Actiontec > > C1000A. Any/all are up for grabs. > > > > Jason, > > bergie at bergie.net > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:25:24PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > > > Jason > > > > > > If John can't find his. I would gladly take one off your hands. > > > > > > Marvin > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Jason Bergstrom > > wrote: > > > > > > > I know I've got 3 of them that I can now part with. > > > > Otherwise, they do show up at most of the Goodwill stores as well. > > > > > > > > Jason, > > > > bergie at bergie.net > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 02:34:35PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > Where is a good place to get a DSL modem.. > > > > > > > > > > I have TDS and have their DSL modem in house. I have another > > building I > > > > > am running a phone line to. I thought it might just be easier if I > > > > bought > > > > > my own DSL modem for that installation.? > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Marvin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From mkosmal at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 06:00:23 2015 From: mkosmal at gmail.com (Marvin Kosmal) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:00:23 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: <20151017055741.GA9601@jack.bergie.net> References: <20151016213923.GA638@jack.bergie.net> <20151017053221.GA9425@jack.bergie.net> <20151017055741.GA9601@jack.bergie.net> Message-ID: Jason I live in La Center, Wa.. That might be hard.. Maybe next week? Thanks Marvin On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Jason Bergstrom wrote: > I'm in Hillsdale, but would likely have to make other arrangements, > as this Saturday/Sunday I'm tied up until early afternoon. > I may be able to drop off in the evenings, if I know where to head. > > Jason, > bergie at bergie.net > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:35:41PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > > Jason > > > > How do > > > > *I get one?* > > > > > > *Marvin* > > > > *Where are you? I am at Farmers Markets both Sat and Sunday* > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Jason Bergstrom > wrote: > > > > > Yes, do let me know. > > > > > > They will head towards Free Geek at some point next year, as > > > I have bad last mile, and cannot make use of the copper for transit. > > > > > > Two are the older Actiontec GT701, the newer one is an Actiontec > > > C1000A. Any/all are up for grabs. > > > > > > Jason, > > > bergie at bergie.net > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:25:24PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > If John can't find his. I would gladly take one off your hands. > > > > > > > > Marvin > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Jason Bergstrom > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I know I've got 3 of them that I can now part with. > > > > > Otherwise, they do show up at most of the Goodwill stores as well. > > > > > > > > > > Jason, > > > > > bergie at bergie.net > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 02:34:35PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is a good place to get a DSL modem.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have TDS and have their DSL modem in house. I have another > > > building I > > > > > > am running a phone line to. I thought it might just be easier > if I > > > > > bought > > > > > > my own DSL modem for that installation.? > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Marvin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From john at meissen.org Sat Oct 17 06:07:56 2015 From: john at meissen.org (John Meissen) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:07:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: (Your message of Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:22:19 -0700.) Message-ID: <20151017060756.3A79917F706@john> Sorry for the late reply. No. I have quite an assortment (8.5V, 9V, 12V, AC, DC,...) but I didn't find this one. It takes 10.5V AC. :-( If you want it anyway, let me know. I was going to head into the general direction of the city tomorrow around noon, I could stop by PSU. john- > John > > Did you ever find the brick? > > Marvin > > From bergie at bergie.net Sat Oct 17 06:13:02 2015 From: bergie at bergie.net (Jason Bergstrom) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:13:02 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: References: <20151016213923.GA638@jack.bergie.net> <20151017053221.GA9425@jack.bergie.net> <20151017055741.GA9601@jack.bergie.net> Message-ID: <20151017061302.GA9708@jack.bergie.net> I've never been there, but am not opposed to a trip up Saturday night. Mail me off-list if you want me to drop them off. (my weekends have been fairly busy, otherwise I do enjoy the weekend markets.) Jason, bergie at bergie.net On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:00:23PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > Jason > > I live in La Center, Wa.. > > That might be hard.. > > Maybe next week? > > Thanks > > Marvin > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Jason Bergstrom wrote: > > > I'm in Hillsdale, but would likely have to make other arrangements, > > as this Saturday/Sunday I'm tied up until early afternoon. > > I may be able to drop off in the evenings, if I know where to head. > > > > Jason, > > bergie at bergie.net > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:35:41PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > > > Jason > > > > > > How do > > > > > > *I get one?* > > > > > > > > > *Marvin* > > > > > > *Where are you? I am at Farmers Markets both Sat and Sunday* > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Jason Bergstrom > > wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, do let me know. > > > > > > > > They will head towards Free Geek at some point next year, as > > > > I have bad last mile, and cannot make use of the copper for transit. > > > > > > > > Two are the older Actiontec GT701, the newer one is an Actiontec > > > > C1000A. Any/all are up for grabs. > > > > > > > > Jason, > > > > bergie at bergie.net > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:25:24PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > > If John can't find his. I would gladly take one off your hands. > > > > > > > > > > Marvin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Jason Bergstrom > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I know I've got 3 of them that I can now part with. > > > > > > Otherwise, they do show up at most of the Goodwill stores as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason, > > > > > > bergie at bergie.net > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 02:34:35PM -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is a good place to get a DSL modem.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have TDS and have their DSL modem in house. I have another > > > > building I > > > > > > > am running a phone line to. I thought it might just be easier > > if I > > > > > > bought > > > > > > > my own DSL modem for that installation.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marvin > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From mkosmal at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 06:22:10 2015 From: mkosmal at gmail.com (Marvin Kosmal) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:22:10 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: <20151017060756.3A79917F706@john> References: <20151017060756.3A79917F706@john> Message-ID: John.. I am The Dancing Chicken Farm at PSU Farmers Market... Drop it off and I will see what I can do.. Thanks On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:07 PM, John Meissen wrote: > Sorry for the late reply. > > No. I have quite an assortment (8.5V, 9V, 12V, AC, DC,...) but I didn't > find > this one. It takes 10.5V AC. :-( > > If you want it anyway, let me know. I was going to head into the general > direction of the city tomorrow around noon, I could stop by PSU. > > john- > > > John > > > > Did you ever find the brick? > > > > Marvin > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From wabarry at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 06:34:50 2015 From: wabarry at gmail.com (Bill Barry) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:34:50 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] DSL modem In-Reply-To: References: <20151017060756.3A79917F706@john> Message-ID: On Oct 16, 2015 11:22 PM, "Marvin Kosmal" wrote: > > John.. > > > I am The Dancing Chicken Farm at PSU Farmers Market... Drop it off and I > will see what I can do.. > > Thanks > > Something like this has been mentioned on this thread already, but it's worth saying again. If you are going to run phone line, you could also run Ethernet from your current modem (or the router after it) to the other building. That way you could have internet access in both buildings at the same time. And you only need one modem. Bill > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:07 PM, John Meissen wrote: > > > Sorry for the late reply. > > > > No. I have quite an assortment (8.5V, 9V, 12V, AC, DC,...) but I didn't > > find > > this one. It takes 10.5V AC. :-( > > > > If you want it anyway, let me know. I was going to head into the general > > direction of the city tomorrow around noon, I could stop by PSU. > > > > john- > > > > > John > > > > > > Did you ever find the brick? > > > > > > Marvin > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From dexter at ambidexter.com Mon Oct 19 05:09:28 2015 From: dexter at ambidexter.com (Michael Dexter) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 22:09:28 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Tuesday PLUG Advanced Topics: OpenNMS Message-ID: <56247B08.7000706@ambidexter.com> Who: Ken Eshelby What: OpenNMS Where: Free Geek, 1731 SE 10th Avenue, Portland (Left Entrance) When: Tuesday, October 20th, 2015 at 7pm Why: The pursuit of technology freedom Stream: http://pdxlinux.org/live OpenNMS is one of the most mature, scalable and flexible enterprise network management platforms in existence. This presentation will cover essential architecture, features and workflow. We will also cover new features including new massively scalable time series data store using Apache Cassandra, new measurements API, new Minion distributable collector and poller in development, and new mobile application. Ken Eshelby had been a network engineer for nearly 20 years in public service, involving development and deployment of an advanced enterprise network for the State of Oregon. I have covered technologies such as early MPLS development and deployment with Cisco, QoS, data center design and high speed scalable and redundant enterprise and service provider networks. I have maintained a focus in network management while doing engineering duties and support in a NOC and data center environment. In 2014, I joined The OpenNMS Group as a consulting and support engineer. The OpenNMS Group has maintained the OpenNMS open source project for 11 years. We sell free software. Calagator Page: http://calagator.org/events/1250469093 Many will head to the Lucky Lab at 915 SE Hawthorne Blvd. after the meeting. Rideshares Available PLUG Page with information about all PLUG events: http://pdxlinux.org/ Follow PLUG on Twitter: http://twitter.com/pdxlinux PLUG is open to everyone and does not tolerate abusive behavior on its mailing lists or at its meetings. See you there! Michael Dexter PLUG Volunteer From dick at dicksteffens.com Tue Oct 20 15:55:59 2015 From: dick at dicksteffens.com (Dick Steffens) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 08:55:59 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Update Failed. In which log do I find the details? Message-ID: <5626640F.4080504@dicksteffens.com> The last couple of updates on my Ubuntu 12.04 system have failed. I get a pop up window titled "update-manager" that says: -------------------------------------------------- Package operation failed The installation or removal of a software package failed. Details -------------------------------------------------- Expanding the Details I see a very long list of stuff in the window. It starts with: -------------------------------------------------- installArchives() failed: (Reading database ... (Reading database ... 5%% (Reading database ... 10%% (Reading database ... 15%% ... (Reading database ... 95%% (Reading database ... 100%% (Reading database ... 307367 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace linux-libc-dev 3.2.0-91.129 (using .../linux-libc-dev_3.2.0-92.130_amd64.deb) ... Unpacking replacement linux-libc-dev ... Setting up samba4 (4.0.0~alpha18.dfsg1-4ubuntu2) ... Unknown parameter encountered: "Max Protocol" ... -------------------------------------------------- There are a number of "Unknown parameter encountered:" (name of parameter) entries followed by "Ignoring unknown parameter" (name of parameter). -------------------------------------------------- ... Unknown parameter encountered: "guest ok" Ignoring unknown parameter "guest ok" ERROR: Invalid smb.conf /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba4.postinst: 14: /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba4.postinst: /usr/share/samba/setoption.pl: Permission denied dpkg: error processing samba4 (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 126 -------------------------------------------------- I can see that it's likely something wrong in smb.conf, and I'll have to run testparm and try to figure out what's going on. But, I'd like to be able to read this detail of the error outside of the error message box after I've closed it. Which log should I be looking for? Thanks. -- Regards, Dick Steffens From dexter at ambidexter.com Tue Oct 20 17:47:01 2015 From: dexter at ambidexter.com (Michael Dexter) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:47:01 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] TONIGHT PLUG Advanced Topics: OpenNMS Message-ID: <56267E15.9050003@ambidexter.com> Portland Linux/Unix Group Advanced Topics Meeting Announcement Who: Ken Eshelby What: OpenNMS Where: Free Geek, 1731 SE 10th Avenue, Portland (Left Entrance) When: Tuesday, October 20th, 2015 at 7pm Why: The pursuit of technology freedom Stream: http://pdxlinux.org/live OpenNMS is one of the most mature, scalable and flexible enterprise network management platforms in existence. This presentation will cover essential architecture, features and workflow. We will also cover new features including new massively scalable time series data store using Apache Cassandra, new measurements API, new Minion distributable collector and poller in development, and new mobile application. Ken Eshelby had been a network engineer for nearly 20 years in public service, involving development and deployment of an advanced enterprise network for the State of Oregon. I have covered technologies such as early MPLS development and deployment with Cisco, QoS, data center design and high speed scalable and redundant enterprise and service provider networks. I have maintained a focus in network management while doing engineering duties and support in a NOC and data center environment. In 2014, I joined The OpenNMS Group as a consulting and support engineer. The OpenNMS Group has maintained the OpenNMS open source project for 11 years. We sell free software. Calagator Page: http://calagator.org/events/1250469093 Many will head to the Lucky Lab at 915 SE Hawthorne Blvd. after the meeting. Rideshares Available PLUG Page with information about all PLUG events: http://pdxlinux.org/ Follow PLUG on Twitter: http://twitter.com/pdxlinux PLUG is open to everyone and does not tolerate abusive behavior on its mailing lists or at its meetings. See you there! Michael Dexter PLUG Volunteer From rowlett at cloud85.net Wed Oct 21 13:59:11 2015 From: rowlett at cloud85.net (Richard Owlett) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:59:11 -0500 Subject: [PLUG] [OT?] How to answer questions Message-ID: <56279A2F.4020606@cloud85.net> There are many essays on "How to ask a question" on the web. I'm looking for one focusing on "How to write a good answer". I've noticed many points in the first first category likely have corresponding points in the second. So if there is no "How to write a good answer", is the a "How to ask a question" page suitable for inverting the point of view? If any consider this too far OT, my email address is valid. TIA From eshelbyk at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 16:40:58 2015 From: eshelbyk at gmail.com (Ken Eshelby) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:40:58 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] TONIGHT PLUG Advanced Topics: OpenNMS In-Reply-To: <56267E15.9050003@ambidexter.com> References: <56267E15.9050003@ambidexter.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the invite to talk and for the great patience and indulgence of a talk that was at least a half hour too long! I hope everyone found a thing or two of interest in all of that information. I've got some streamlining to do for it.. less detail/architecture, more demo (and working demo) probably. I am pasting relevant contact and informative info from the slides so if you've further interest you know where to go: Work Email: ken at opennms.org IRC: irc.freenode.net: #opennms, (esh^) GitHub: https://github.com/xplorn Twitter: @xplorn docs.opennms.org- code derived documentation opennms.org wiki.. browse by categories or use google to search also newer form at http://www.opennms.org/wiki/Main_Page https://github.com/OpenNMS/ OpenNMS Forge https://github.com/opennms-forge #opennms on Freenode IRC opennms-discuss email list (see wiki) ask.opennms.eu (and www.opennms.eu in general) OpenNMS youtube demos - OUCE, SCaLE/AllThingsOpen/OSMC, etc -- Ken Eshelby PGP Key Fingerprint 7F29 C36C 4607 8C14 C82D 5DEA 1C1D F5D9 DBA0 F9AF From galens at seitzassoc.com Thu Oct 22 22:52:10 2015 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:52:10 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] mp3 playback within Firefox under CentOS 6 Message-ID: <5629689A.3010201@seitzassoc.com> Hi, I've been trying to get mp3 playback within Firefox working with no success. This is under CentOS 6.7. I have the epel and rpmfusion repositories enabled, and I have installed the following rpms: $ rpm -qa|grep gstreamer gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.19-2.el6.x86_64 phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.2-28.el6_5.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.29-2.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.19-3.el6_5.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.23-3.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-tools-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.11-2.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.18-4.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 Playback of mp3 files using xnoise works fine, but in order to view a training course (slides + mp3), I need mp3 to work within firefox. When I go to the following site, all of the audio formats work except mp3 and flac. http://hpr.dogphilosophy.net/test/ What am I missing? Suggestions? BTW, youtube html5 playback has been working for quite some time. Only today did I break down and try to add mp3 support to my system. thanks, galen -- Galen Seitz galens at seitzassoc.com From galens at seitzassoc.com Fri Oct 23 01:26:48 2015 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:26:48 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] mp3 playback within Firefox under CentOS 6 In-Reply-To: <5629689A.3010201@seitzassoc.com> References: <5629689A.3010201@seitzassoc.com> Message-ID: <56298CD8.9090106@seitzassoc.com> On 10/22/15 15:52, Galen Seitz wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying to get mp3 playback within Firefox working with no > success. This is under CentOS 6.7. I have the epel and rpmfusion > repositories enabled, and I have installed the following rpms: ...snip... Well, it seems that Firefox ESR on CentOS 6 is built without gstreamer support. Hmmm. I guess I'll need to either use a different browser, or build firefox myself, neither of which is very appealing. galen -- Galen Seitz galens at seitzassoc.com From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Oct 23 13:16:24 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 06:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Need New Video Card Today Message-ID: The built-in video on my server/workstation failed a couple of times in the past few weeks (no signal to the monitor), but a hard reboot fixed the problem. This morning it failed again and refuses to work at all. I need to buy a replacement card today. lspci tell me that 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] RS780L [Radeon 3000] is installed. Might Free Geek have a suitable replacement? If not, I'll go to ENU. What do you suggest as a suitable low-end card (no gaming or video streaming done here)? I've a replacement host about 90% built, but with a business trip next week I need to use the current system for a while longer. Your advice greatly appreciated. Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Oct 23 14:33:14 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Running X application on remote host Message-ID: Until I purchase a new video card for my desktop I'm working on my laptop. Access to alpine is via ssh, and I want access to a couple of business applications on the blind server using X-forward. From the local rxvt I enter 'ssh -X salmo', enter my passphrase and see that salmo cannot open the display. Does this indicate that X11-forwarding is not enabled on salmo, or another condition? Rich From buchholz at easystreet.net Fri Oct 23 14:41:47 2015 From: buchholz at easystreet.net (Don Buchholz) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:41:47 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Running X application on remote host In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562A472B.1060404@easystreet.net> Red Hat / CentOS systems will require xorg-x11-xauth be installed ... On 10/23/2015 7:33 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: > Until I purchase a new video card for my desktop I'm working on my laptop. > Access to alpine is via ssh, and I want access to a couple of business > applications on the blind server using X-forward. > > From the local rxvt I enter 'ssh -X salmo', enter my passphrase and see > that salmo cannot open the display. Does this indicate that X11-forwarding > is not enabled on salmo, or another condition? > > Rich > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From buchholz at easystreet.net Fri Oct 23 14:41:47 2015 From: buchholz at easystreet.net (Don Buchholz) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:41:47 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Running X application on remote host In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562A472B.1060404@easystreet.net> Red Hat / CentOS systems will require xorg-x11-xauth be installed ... On 10/23/2015 7:33 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: > Until I purchase a new video card for my desktop I'm working on my laptop. > Access to alpine is via ssh, and I want access to a couple of business > applications on the blind server using X-forward. > > From the local rxvt I enter 'ssh -X salmo', enter my passphrase and see > that salmo cannot open the display. Does this indicate that X11-forwarding > is not enabled on salmo, or another condition? > > Rich > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Oct 23 14:42:20 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Running X application on remote host [FIXED] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Rich Shepard wrote: > From the local rxvt I enter 'ssh -X salmo', enter my passphrase and see > that salmo cannot open the display. Does this indicate that X11-forwarding > is not enabled on salmo, or another condition? Yep. Had to modify sshd_config, then stop and restart sshd (the latter blindly on the server). Rich From kingbeowulf at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 15:50:16 2015 From: kingbeowulf at gmail.com (King Beowulf) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 08:50:16 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need New Video Card Today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562A5738.5070105@gmail.com> On 10/23/2015 06:16 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: > The built-in video on my server/workstation failed a couple of times in > the past few weeks (no signal to the monitor), but a hard reboot fixed the > problem. This morning it failed again and refuses to work at all. I need to > buy a replacement card today. > > lspci tell me that > > 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] > RS780L [Radeon 3000] > > is installed. > > Might Free Geek have a suitable replacement? If not, I'll go to ENU. What > do you suggest as a suitable low-end card (no gaming or video streaming done > here)? > > I've a replacement host about 90% built, but with a business trip next > week I need to use the current system for a while longer. > > Your advice greatly appreciated. > > Rich > _______________________________________________ Free Geek usually has a number of GPU cards that will do. Just make sure you check the motherboard as top whether you need AGP or PCI-Express. AGP cards are getting rare (new), so Free Geek is your best option and pretty much any Nvidia card wil do, even a TNT2. Heck I might still have an old AGP card somewhere... If its a "server" why not just SSH in? You can even run the X.org server component on the server but the X client on another box. Since you mention "workstation" is this box running X and therefore XFCE or some DE (see aslo above)? You might What to check on X.org to see what they recommend. If you just use CLI, then just run headless: SSH or vnc are your friends. Save your money since you are building a new box anyway. -Ed From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Oct 23 16:11:45 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Need New Video Card Today In-Reply-To: <562A5738.5070105@gmail.com> References: <562A5738.5070105@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, King Beowulf wrote: > Free Geek usually has a number of GPU cards that will do. Just make sure > you check the motherboard as top whether you need AGP or PCI-Express. AGP > cards are getting rare (new), so Free Geek is your best option and pretty > much any Nvidia card wil do, even a TNT2. Heck I might still have an old > AGP card somewhere... Ed, I don't know that I have the motherboard manual any longer. It's an Asus board. Is there a tool that tells me what type of card the slots accept? > If its a "server" why not just SSH in? You can even run the X.org > server component on the server but the X client on another box. 'Cause it's a dual purpose machine. It's the only desktop here and I use it as my workstation, too. > Since you mention "workstation" is this box running X and therefore XFCE > or some DE (see aslo above)? You might What to check on X.org to see what > they recommend. Yes, Xfce4 running. The built-in radeon 3000 works fine, that's why a drop-in replacement is what I need. Thanks, Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Oct 23 16:19:21 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Need New Video Card Today In-Reply-To: References: <562A5738.5070105@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Rich Shepard wrote: > I don't know that I have the motherboard manual any longer. It's an Asus > board. Is there a tool that tells me what type of card the slots accept? This is the output of lspci: 00:00.0 Host bridge: AMD [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] RS780 Host Bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. AMD RS780/RS880 PCI to PCI bridge (int gfx) 00:06.0 PCI bridge: AMD [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 2) 00:11.0 SATA controller: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [IDE mode] 00:12.0 USB controller: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller 00:12.1 USB controller: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] SB7x0 USB OHCI1 Controller 00:12.2 USB controller: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller 00:13.0 USB controller: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller 00:13.1 USB controller: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] SB7x0 USB OHCI1 Controller 00:13.2 USB controller: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller 00:14.0 SMBus: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] SBx00 SMBus Controller (rev 3c) 00:14.1 IDE interface: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 IDE Controller 00:14.2 Audio device: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) 00:14.3 ISA bridge: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 LPC host controller 00:14.4 PCI bridge: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge 00:14.5 USB controller: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI2 Controller 00:18.0 Host bridge: AMD [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] Family 10h Processor HyperTransport Configuration 00:18.1 Host bridge: AMD [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] Family 10h Processor Address Map 00:18.2 Host bridge: AMD [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] Family 10h Processor DRAM Controller 00:18.3 Host bridge: AMD [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] Family 10h Processor Miscellaneous Control 00:18.4 Host bridge: AMD [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] Family 10h Processor Link Control 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] RS780L [Radeon 3000] 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR8131 Gigabit Ethernet (rev c0) I cannot interpret this to see if the 3 slot types are identified. > The built-in radeon 3000 works fine, that's why a drop-in replacement is > what I need. That's a Radon HD3000, seems to be the generic numver for the 3000 series. Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Oct 23 16:33:52 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Need New Video Card Today In-Reply-To: <562A5738.5070105@gmail.com> References: <562A5738.5070105@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, King Beowulf wrote: > Free Geek usually has a number of GPU cards that will do. Just make sure > you check the motherboard as top whether you need AGP or PCI-Express. AGP > cards are getting rare (new), so Free Geek is your best option and pretty > much any Nvidia card wil do, even a TNT2. Heck I might still have an old > AGP card somewhere... Motherboard is an Asus M4A78LT-M LE with an 'Express Gate' slot. Yep, it has PCIe slots; guess that's PCI-Express. Will be at Free Geek when they open. Thanks, Ed, Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Oct 23 20:01:42 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Need New Video Card Today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Rich Shepard wrote: > The built-in video on my server/workstation failed a couple of times in > the past few weeks (no signal to the monitor), but a hard reboot fixed the > problem. This morning it failed again and refuses to work at all. I need to > buy a replacement card today. The problem has escalated. While I was out getting a video card at Free Geek the system died. Long story short, a rest allowed it to boot but the new card makes no difference. Ergo, finishing the new box has become the highest priority. Which leads to my next two questions ... 1) I have two options: install Slackware-14.1/64-bit on th enew hard drive, iostall the multilb libraries, move databases and other applications over, and rebuild all SlackBuilds.org packages (since the existing server/workstation runs 32-bit Slackware-14.1). 2) Install the current sda in the new box. get the system running, then install, build, configure everything on the larger new hard drive while it's connected externally. I think the second option gets me a functioning server/workstation more quickly and seek your thoughts on this issue. It's the end of the month next week so a fully functional system is needed. Rich From ddsnell at frontier.com Fri Oct 23 20:19:37 2015 From: ddsnell at frontier.com (Dale Snell) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:19:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Need New Video Card Today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20151023131937.744f62d8@zothique.localdomain> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:01:42 -0700 (PDT), in message alpine.LNX.2.11.1510231254030.1161 at localhost, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Rich Shepard wrote: > > The problem has escalated. While I was out getting a video card at > Free Geek the system died. Ouch! > 1) I have two options: install Slackware-14.1/64-bit on th enew > hard drive, iostall the multilb libraries, move databases and other > applications over, and rebuild all SlackBuilds.org packages (since > the existing server/workstation runs 32-bit Slackware-14.1). > > 2) Install the current sda in the new box. get the system > running, then install, build, configure everything on the larger new > hard drive while it's connected externally. > > I think the second option gets me a functioning server/workstation > more quickly and seek your thoughts on this issue. It's the end of > the month next week so a fully functional system is needed. Since you have to be up and running for the end of the month, your second option seems the best to me. To save some money, you might want to check with Free Geek and see what they've got in the line of refurbished systems. That's what I did when my old system went south, and the Free Geek box has been working like a champ. Just my two cents. --Dale -- Be comforted, that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment, And despite the changing fortunes of time, There is always a big future in computer maintenance. -- From the National Lampoon's "Deteriorata" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Oct 23 20:57:59 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Need New Video Card Today In-Reply-To: <20151023131937.744f62d8@zothique.localdomain> References: <20151023131937.744f62d8@zothique.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Dale Snell wrote: > Since you have to be up and running for the end of the month, your second > option seems the best to me. To save some money, you might want to check > with Free Geek and see what they've got in the line of refurbished > systems. That's what I did when my old system went south, and the Free > Geek box has been working like a champ. > > Just my two cents. Dale, Well worth the money ... and more. If Free Geek has a refurb I can put the hard drive from the dying system in there while I work out how to configure the new system. I'll put that in a new thread, and you're welcome to provide comments on that, too. Thanks, Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Oct 23 21:21:50 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System Message-ID: The new system has a 60G SSD drive and a 750G WD Caviar Black drive. I've read enough to know that the SSD drive needs to be tuned to work well with linux (and I have a bookmarked Web page with explicit instructions and explanations for that). But, what I've not found to my satisfaction are 1) what file system(s) to use on each drive and 2) what partitions to put on the SSD. One forum thread suggested putting /, /boot, /bin, /etc, and /usr on the SSD drive since they have fewer writes than do /usr/local, /opt, /home, /var, and /tmp. The latter group go on the conventional, spinning HD. Another thread (on a Ubuntu forum) was by a user who had problems booting from the SSD; he could not partition it, IIRC. I'll be running only Slackware on this system (as I do on all my hosts), and I suspect that the distribution flavor makes no difference in selecting an appropriate file system (or two) and a partitioning scheme. All your suggestions and recommendations are eagerly awaited. :-) Rich From kens at cad2cam.com Fri Oct 23 21:43:20 2015 From: kens at cad2cam.com (Ken Stephens) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:43:20 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> Rich Shepard wrote: > The new system has a 60G SSD drive and a 750G WD Caviar Black drive. I've > read enough to know that the SSD drive needs to be tuned to work well with > linux (and I have a bookmarked Web page with explicit instructions and > explanations for that). But, what I've not found to my satisfaction are 1) > what file system(s) to use on each drive and 2) what partitions to put on > the SSD. > > One forum thread suggested putting /, /boot, /bin, /etc, and /usr on the > SSD drive since they have fewer writes than do /usr/local, /opt, /home, > /var, and /tmp. The latter group go on the conventional, spinning HD. > > Another thread (on a Ubuntu forum) was by a user who had problems booting > from the SSD; he could not partition it, IIRC. > > I'll be running only Slackware on this system (as I do on all my hosts), > and I suspect that the distribution flavor makes no difference in selecting > an appropriate file system (or two) and a partitioning scheme. > > All your suggestions and recommendations are eagerly awaited. :-) > > Rich > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > Rich, 60GB is big enough to put all your system files on that. Put your /home on the spinning drive. You will never run out of space. It will be at least as fast as your previous system seemed when you first loaded it up. Just my $0.02. Ken From drl at drloree.com Fri Oct 23 22:22:41 2015 From: drl at drloree.com (Derek Loree) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:22:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> References: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> Message-ID: Rich, > On Oct 23, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Ken Stephens wrote: > > Rich Shepard wrote: >> The new system has a 60G SSD drive and a 750G WD Caviar Black drive. I've >> read enough to know that the SSD drive needs to be tuned to work well with >> linux (and I have a bookmarked Web page with explicit instructions and >> explanations for that). But, what I've not found to my satisfaction are 1) >> what file system(s) to use on each drive and 2) what partitions to put on >> the SSD. I would create one bootable partition on the SSD drive for everything that is not /var and /home. Then create two on the spinning platter drive, one for /var and one for /home. These two directories are written to a lot more than the others. Unless you are dealing with very large files, EXT4 should be good enough. Good luck, Derek Loree From heinlein at madboa.com Fri Oct 23 22:27:28 2015 From: heinlein at madboa.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> References: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Ken Stephens wrote: > Rich Shepard wrote: >> The new system has a 60G SSD drive and a 750G WD Caviar Black >> drive. I've read enough to know that the SSD drive needs to be >> tuned to work well with linux (and I have a bookmarked Web page >> with explicit instructions and explanations for that). But, what >> I've not found to my satisfaction are 1) what file system(s) to use >> on each drive and 2) what partitions to put on the SSD. >> >> One forum thread suggested putting /, /boot, /bin, /etc, and >> /usr on the SSD drive since they have fewer writes than do >> /usr/local, /opt, /home, /var, and /tmp. The latter group go on the >> conventional, spinning HD. >> >> Another thread (on a Ubuntu forum) was by a user who had >> problems booting from the SSD; he could not partition it, IIRC. >> >> I'll be running only Slackware on this system (as I do on all >> my hosts), and I suspect that the distribution flavor makes no >> difference in selecting an appropriate file system (or two) and a >> partitioning scheme. >> >> All your suggestions and recommendations are eagerly awaited. > > Rich, > > 60GB is big enough to put all your system files on that. Put your > /home on the spinning drive. You will never run out of space. It > will be at least as fast as your previous system seemed when you > first loaded it up. I'd tend to agree with this, assuming the SSD isn't old and/or used. If it's fairly new, there's little chance you'll "wear it out" unless you're doing high-frequency i/o 24x7. If the drive is old (say, more than three years), then you might consider putting /var on your spinning platter along with /home. Some older mainboards have trouble booting from an SSD when there's a tradition HD alongside it. I suspect testing is the only way to know. In general, though, I'm with Ken: put your OS on the SSD. -- Paul Heinlein heinlein at madboa.com 45?38' N, 122?6' W From gently at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 22:34:36 2015 From: gently at gmail.com (chris (fool) mccraw) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:34:36 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: References: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote: In general, though, I'm with Ken: put your OS on the SSD. agree with this advice! Additionally, when I had my system set up like that, I found that there were certain applications which responded a lot better when their cache (a browser with 2 dozen+ tabs open) or source data files (fast dvd burning) were on the SSD, so I made a little /local partition that held just the stuff that had been problematic/showed a dramatic benefit when placed there. Those were literally the only two things I came across in my normal workflow, but you'll know yours best :) > -- > Paul Heinlein > heinlein at madboa.com > 45?38' N, 122?6' W > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Oct 23 22:36:19 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> References: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Ken Stephens wrote: > 60GB is big enough to put all your system files on that. Put your /home > on the spinning drive. You will never run out of space. It will be at > least as fast as your previous system seemed when you first loaded it up. Ken, Looking at df I see that / and /usr consume only about 30 M. With the main distribution files in /usr the only writing will be for upgrade patches so there's plenty of room on it. Yes, the partitions with more writes, /usr/local, /opt, /home, /tmp, and /var will go on the huge (for me) 750G HHDD. The existing drive is 500G and I use only a portion of it. However, I'm collecting envirionmental data wherever I can so the HDD room will be handy. As an interesting (to me, at least) aside, a thread or two suggested that SSDs need firmware updates and not all can be updaged within linux. The one I have but never used is about 4 years old. Looking at SSD reviews showed Samsung, Crucial, and Kingston, but no OCZ. So, I just ordered a Samsung 250G SSD, probably for less than I paid for the OCZ 60G drive in 2011. > Just my $0.02. Always worth the price, Ken. Thanks very much, Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Oct 23 22:40:58 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: References: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Derek Loree wrote: > I would create one bootable partition on the SSD drive for everything that > is not /var and /home. Then create two on the spinning platter drive, one > for /var and one for /home. These two directories are written to a lot > more than the others. Unless you are dealing with very large files, EXT4 > should be good enough. Derek, That's good advice. In addition to /home and /var I'll put /tmp and /opt on the HDD. Most of what I add here goes in /opt, but some tools (not those from SlackBuilds.org) default to /usr/local. Since they're installed and updated infrequently there should be sufficient write cycles to accommoddate them. Thanks for the advice on EXT4 for both. That makes life simpler for non-professionals like me. Much appreciated, Rich From gently at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 22:43:37 2015 From: gently at gmail.com (chris (fool) mccraw) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:43:37 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: References: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> Message-ID: I think you should put /opt on the SSD. It is, for the effects of this conversation, "your OS". Nearly every other distro keeps all of its meat in /usr, i guess slackware uses /opt for the installed packages instead. On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Derek Loree wrote: > > > I would create one bootable partition on the SSD drive for everything > that > > is not /var and /home. Then create two on the spinning platter drive, one > > for /var and one for /home. These two directories are written to a lot > > more than the others. Unless you are dealing with very large files, EXT4 > > should be good enough. > > Derek, > > That's good advice. In addition to /home and /var I'll put /tmp and /opt > on the HDD. Most of what I add here goes in /opt, but some tools (not those > from SlackBuilds.org) default to /usr/local. Since they're installed and > updated infrequently there should be sufficient write cycles to > accommoddate > them. > > Thanks for the advice on EXT4 for both. That makes life simpler for > non-professionals like me. > > Much appreciated, > > Rich > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Fri Oct 23 22:44:42 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: References: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Paul Heinlein wrote: > I'd tend to agree with this, assuming the SSD isn't old and/or used. If > it's fairly new, there's little chance you'll "wear it out" unless you're > doing high-frequency i/o 24x7. Paul, It's old, but not used. > Some older mainboards have trouble booting from an SSD when there's a > tradition HD alongside it. I suspect testing is the only way to know. The motherboard is an Asus Sabertooth 990FX, bought December 2011. Not sure if that qualfies as 'older' but I suspect it will boot off the SSD and use the HDD for variable data since this configuration was recommended to me way back then. Many thanks, Rich From ddsnell at frontier.com Sat Oct 24 00:05:18 2015 From: ddsnell at frontier.com (Dale Snell) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:05:18 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20151023170518.49d5a772@zothique.localdomain> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:21:50 -0700 (PDT), in message alpine.LNX.2.11.1510231419540.1161 at localhost, Rich Shepard wrote: > The new system has a 60G SSD drive and a 750G WD Caviar Black > drive. I've read enough to know that the SSD drive needs to be tuned > to work well with linux (and I have a bookmarked Web page with > explicit instructions and explanations for that). But, what I've not > found to my satisfaction are 1) what file system(s) to use on each > drive and 2) what partitions to put on the SSD. > > One forum thread suggested putting /, /boot, /bin, /etc, and /usr > on the SSD drive since they have fewer writes than > do /usr/local, /opt, /home, /var, and /tmp. The latter group go on > the conventional, spinning HD. > > Another thread (on a Ubuntu forum) was by a user who had problems > booting from the SSD; he could not partition it, IIRC. > > I'll be running only Slackware on this system (as I do on all my > hosts), and I suspect that the distribution flavor makes no > difference in selecting an appropriate file system (or two) and a > partitioning scheme. > > All your suggestions and recommendations are eagerly awaited. :-) First off, does Slackware have any recommendations? If so, I'd follow them first, then listen to what a bunch of crazies on the 'Net have to say. :-) That said, here's what I do: First off, I'd have multiple partitions. This nonsense of having one partition to rule them all is just that, nonsense. In my case, I go so far as to use LVM. I can have one logical volume to hold /, and one to hold /home, /opt/ and /usr/local. /boot goes on a separate physical partition. /tmp is in memory using tmpfs. /var (and thus /var/tmp) goes on my rotating disk. As I said, that's how I set my system up, and it works quite nicely for me. YMMV, of course. Here's my basic setup, from lsblk: (sdb is my SSD; sdc is my rotating medium hard drive) NAME SIZE TYPE MOUNTPOINT sdb 119.2G disk ??sdb1 512M part /boot ??sdb2 8.1G part [SWAP] ??sdb3 25G part ? ??vg_Fedora-lv0_root.usr 15G lvm / ??sdb4 85.7G part ??vg_Zothique-lv0_home 50G lvm /home ??vg_Zothique-lv1_usr.local 8G lvm /usr/local ??vg_Zothique-lv2_opt 8G lvm /opt sdc 931.5G disk ??sdc2 8G part /var I could have simply gone with a regular partition for Fedora, but when I originally set it up, I had /var as a separate partition on the SSD. Since that partition's now on the magnetic HD, there's no need for the logical volume. Ah well. Live and learn. "Tuning" the SSD. It's possible to put the "discard" option in your /etc/fstab, but that's not the best idea, IMO. Not all SSDs react well to that, including the Samsung that I've got. Better is to create a small script and store it in /etc/crontab.weekly. It can be something as simple as this command: fstab --all Or you can do something more elaborate: for partition in ; do fstab $partitions done That part's easy enough. I set it up to run on a weekly basis, since you don't want to run it too often -- it'll accelerate the wear of the SSD. If you're using LVM, as I am, you'll also want to edit the /etc/lvm/lvm.conf file, and change "issue_discards=0" to "issue_discards=1". Now, if you want to have an encrypted disk, DON'T do it on your SSD. The discard/fstrim operation is a major security leak. (You can't scrub the file(s), either, since the SSD will automatically write into an unused set of blocks. Oops.) So your best bet is to run dm-crypt on your rotating magnetic media, and ignore the SSD. Again, IMO and YMMV. Once you've made your configuration changes, you'll need to rebuild your initramfs. On my system, I ran "sudo dracut -f". I have no idea what Slackware would need. Once initramfs is rebuilt, re-boot the system and have fun. :-) Anyway, I hope this helps. --Dale -- I recall hearing that highly-classified data must be destroyed by physically shredding the medium. Yes, throw your disk drive in the shredder! (Just imagine the class of machinery required to digest an RA81 HDA.) -- Mark Wood on linux-kernel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If Free Geek has a refurb I can put the > hard drive from the dying system in there while I work out how to configure > the new system. I'll put that in a new thread, and you're welcome to provide > comments on that, too. > > Thanks, > > Rich Rich Sorry I didn't respond sooner...my "office day" turned into "run around PDX day." No reason you can't just pop the hard drive into another Free Geek box, regardless of CPU, GPU, or other hardware. The nice thing with those systems is that they are already vetted for Linux. As far Slackware 32-bit is concerned, it should boot right up and need minimal configuration. I've done that with a few Free Geek systems. No need to worry about 64-bit until later. X and Xfce should fire up pretty much on any of the older GPUs via the kernel's radeon or nouveau drivers. -Ed From ddsnell at frontier.com Sat Oct 24 00:47:06 2015 From: ddsnell at frontier.com (Dale Snell) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:47:06 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: References: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> Message-ID: <20151023174706.622da84e@zothique.localdomain> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:44:42 -0700 (PDT), in message alpine.LNX.2.11.1510231541480.1161 at localhost, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Paul Heinlein wrote: > > > Some older mainboards have trouble booting from an SSD when there's > > a tradition HD alongside it. I suspect testing is the only way to > > know. > > The motherboard is an Asus Sabertooth 990FX, bought December 2011. > Not sure if that qualfies as 'older' but I suspect it will boot off > the SSD and use the HDD for variable data since this configuration > was recommended to me way back then. My mobo is an Asus M2N-MX, which was released 2007 (February, I think). It boots from the SSD with no trouble. Your Sabertooth is three or four years newer, so I'm sure you'll have no trouble. --Dale -- Q: Why did the Klingon color his hair blond? A: Because it was a good day to dye. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(FWIW, I'm still not convinced that btrfs is ready for prime time.) --Dale -- "It's a very sobering feeling to be up in space and realize that one's safety factor was determined by the lowest bidder on a government contract." --Alan Shepard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From kingbeowulf at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 00:51:09 2015 From: kingbeowulf at gmail.com (King Beowulf) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:51:09 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: References: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> Message-ID: <562AD5FD.7050201@gmail.com> On 10/23/2015 03:43 PM, chris (fool) mccraw wrote: > I think you should put /opt on the SSD. It is, for the effects of this > conversation, "your OS". Nearly every other distro keeps all of its meat > in /usr, i guess slackware uses /opt for the installed packages instead. > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Rich Shepard > wrote: > >> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Derek Loree wrote: >> >>> I would create one bootable partition on the SSD drive for everything >> that >>> is not /var and /home. Then create two on the spinning platter drive, one >>> for /var and one for /home. These two directories are written to a lot >>> more than the others. Unless you are dealing with very large files, EXT4 >>> should be good enough. >> Slackware doesn't use /opt for anything. Slackbuilds.org (SBo) does have a few package scripts that stick things there, such as libreoffice and some google apps, due to how upstream sometime prefers it. As a rule, Slackware and SBo don't change upstream defaults software configuration defaults. -Ed From kingbeowulf at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 06:48:26 2015 From: kingbeowulf at gmail.com (King Beowulf) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:48:26 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: <20151023170518.49d5a772@zothique.localdomain> References: <20151023170518.49d5a772@zothique.localdomain> Message-ID: <562B29BA.4020700@gmail.com> On 10/23/2015 05:05 PM, Dale Snell wrote: > > First off, I'd have multiple partitions. This nonsense of having > one partition to rule them all is just that, nonsense. No, it is not nonsense. > In my > case, I go so far as to use LVM. I can have one logical volume to > hold /, and one to hold /home, /opt/ and /usr/local. /boot goes > on a separate physical partition. /tmp is in memory using tmpfs. > /var (and thus /var/tmp) goes on my rotating disk. As I said, > that's how I set my system up, and it works quite nicely for me. > YMMV, of course. It depends on your data usage and applications and is overkill for a simple desktop or small private server. > > Here's my basic setup, from lsblk: > (sdb is my SSD; sdc is my rotating medium hard drive) > NAME SIZE TYPE MOUNTPOINT > sdb 119.2G disk > ??sdb1 512M part /boot > ??sdb2 8.1G part [SWAP] > ??sdb3 25G part > ? ??vg_Fedora-lv0_root.usr 15G lvm / > ??sdb4 85.7G part > ??vg_Zothique-lv0_home 50G lvm /home > ??vg_Zothique-lv1_usr.local 8G lvm /usr/local > ??vg_Zothique-lv2_opt 8G lvm /opt > sdc 931.5G disk > ??sdc2 8G part /var > > Complex partition schemes are a relic of the past when hard drives where unreliable, expensive and tape drive backup was slow. Its a bit overkill these days. Opinions will vary on this, and have generated a number of flame wars, but mainly all anyone needs is / (with all misc directories), /home and /swap. As for LVM, very handy for large multiuser server installs were predicting how much space might be needed can be challenging and/or for adding storage on the fly - especially in the old days of small expensive hard drives. For modern desktops and small servers, again, overkill. Terabyte hard drives are cheap, and I doubt many on this list will "run out" of space where they need to dynamically add space to a logical volume. its funny how people are so concerned with "wearing out the SSD," that they put all the wrong stuff on it. If you want to make good use of the SSD speed, partition in such a way that the hard drive I/O heavy apps run off it - as in /home and where ever you put the databases and web server data. Data R/W speed to the drive is far more important than how fast you can boot. Here we have a laptop with a 240 GB SSD. One big partition. That SSD with outlast that laptop. Just My 2 cents. From kingbeowulf at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 07:29:41 2015 From: kingbeowulf at gmail.com (King Beowulf) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 00:29:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562B3365.6020007@gmail.com> On 10/23/2015 02:21 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > The new system has a 60G SSD drive and a 750G WD Caviar Black drive. I've > read enough to know that the SSD drive needs to be tuned to work well with > linux (and I have a bookmarked Web page with explicit instructions and > explanations for that). But, what I've not found to my satisfaction are 1) > what file system(s) to use on each drive and 2) what partitions to put on > the SSD. > > One forum thread suggested putting /, /boot, /bin, /etc, and /usr on the > SSD drive since they have fewer writes than do /usr/local, /opt, /home, > /var, and /tmp. The latter group go on the conventional, spinning HD. > > Another thread (on a Ubuntu forum) was by a user who had problems booting > from the SSD; he could not partition it, IIRC. > > I'll be running only Slackware on this system (as I do on all my hosts), > and I suspect that the distribution flavor makes no difference in selecting > an appropriate file system (or two) and a partitioning scheme. > > All your suggestions and recommendations are eagerly awaited. :-) > A SSD serves the following purposes: 1. Boot fast 2. save laptop battery life 3. speed up drive I/O intensive data access. (1) is irrelevant for most Linux distros, especially Slackware. How often will you reboot? (2) is very handy. Added 2+ hrs to a laptop battery life here. Irrelevant for wall plugged servers unless you a Google or Amazon, etc. (3) large databases, or processing any kind of large data sets. So, IMHO, a 60GB SSD is pretty much useless unless you run Windows. But since I never throw away hardware and a drive is a drive, put / (everything) on the SSD except these partitions on the WD HD: /home /var /tmp (or in tmpfs) and maybe /data for your big server data sets (web, mail, etc.). If you don't put much in /home that can shrink. use LVM on /data if you expect to need to resize/reallocate for more data. ext4 is fine for most uses and well supported. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-partition-scheme-4175435307/ http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/recommend-file-system-for-ssd-4175526275/ http://docs.slackware.com/slackware:install From kingbeowulf at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 07:45:53 2015 From: kingbeowulf at gmail.com (King Beowulf) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 00:45:53 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] mp3 playback within Firefox under CentOS 6 In-Reply-To: <56298CD8.9090106@seitzassoc.com> References: <5629689A.3010201@seitzassoc.com> <56298CD8.9090106@seitzassoc.com> Message-ID: <562B3731.3020902@gmail.com> On 10/22/2015 06:26 PM, Galen Seitz wrote: > On 10/22/15 15:52, Galen Seitz wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've been trying to get mp3 playback within Firefox working with no >> success. This is under CentOS 6.7. I have the epel and rpmfusion >> repositories enabled, and I have installed the following rpms: > ...snip... > > Well, it seems that Firefox ESR on CentOS 6 is built without gstreamer > support. > > > > Hmmm. I guess I'll need to either use a different browser, or build > firefox myself, neither of which is very appealing. > > > galen > you can try adding gnmome-mplayer and gecko-mediaplayer. From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sat Oct 24 13:15:06 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 06:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: References: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, chris (fool) mccraw wrote: > I think you should put /opt on the SSD. It is, for the effects of this > conversation, "your OS". Nearly every other distro keeps all of its meat > in /usr, i guess slackware uses /opt for the installed packages instead. Chris, Over the years this issue repeats on the slackware mail list or linuxquestions. Purists say all executables should go in /usr and custom-built, company-specific applications should be installed in /usr/local. Yet, applications such as google-earth and jgnash install by default in /opt. To me it's similar to asking if you keep your wallet in the left or right pocket of you pants. Candidly, I don't know why it should matter. If a SysAdmin sets up the server to put certain non-distribution provided applications in /usr, /usr/local, or /opt, so what? Reminds me of the old claims that any problem could be resolved by switching to debian, or a different DE, or text editor, etc. I tend to put stuff I build in /opt and let third-party developers install the applications I build where they want them: /usr/local or /opt. SlackBuilds.org installs everything in /usr, along with the packages that come on the distribution DVD. If I'm mis-guided in my thinking, please educate me. Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sat Oct 24 13:20:12 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 06:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: <20151023174706.622da84e@zothique.localdomain> References: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> <20151023174706.622da84e@zothique.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Dale Snell wrote: > My mobo is an Asus M2N-MX, which was released 2007 (February, I think). It > boots from the SSD with no trouble. Your Sabertooth is three or four years > newer, so I'm sure you'll have no trouble. Dale, Thanks for confirming. Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sat Oct 24 13:28:29 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 06:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: <20151023170518.49d5a772@zothique.localdomain> References: <20151023170518.49d5a772@zothique.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Dale Snell wrote: > First off, does Slackware have any recommendations? Not that I've been able to find searching the Web. > First off, I'd have multiple partitions. I've done this too, except on a couple of portables. As disk capacity increases fsck takes a long time when it has a huge partiton to check. I'm not aware of technical reasons for having only / and /home. Seems to me to be similar to putting all business records in a single file folder (or personal records in a shoebox) rather than in one folder for each month. Underneath, does it really matter how hard drives are partitioned or is it simply personal preference? Just curious. Thanks for the good information, Dale. and I'll be at Free Geek when they open to see if they have a refurb I can use in the interim. Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sat Oct 24 13:43:18 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 06:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: <562B29BA.4020700@gmail.com> References: <20151023170518.49d5a772@zothique.localdomain> <562B29BA.4020700@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, King Beowulf wrote: > Complex partition schemes are a relic of the past when hard drives where > unreliable, expensive and tape drive backup was slow. Its a bit overkill > these days. Opinions will vary on this, and have generated a number of > flame wars, but mainly all anyone needs is / (with all misc directories), > /home and /swap. Ed, Aha! Now that makes perfect sense to me. I started with a Seagate 225 (25M) HD in 1984 with a tape backup (don't remember the brand), and have continued with multiple partitions since then. > its funny how people are so concerned with "wearing out the SSD," that > they put all the wrong stuff on it. If you want to make good use of the > SSD speed, partition in such a way that the hard drive I/O heavy apps run > off it - as in /home and where ever you put the databases and web server > data. Data R/W speed to the drive is far more important than how fast you > can boot. For my situation, speed is not a concern. The failing box continues to run 32-bit Slackware and the only time I notice a speed issue is when downloading a huge file (such as LO) and that's a result of the limited speed of my ADSL connection. The heavy number crunching for statistical and spatial models is done almost exclusively in RAM so disk speed is not a limiting factor. Most of my time is spent writing (LaTeX/LyX) or doing research on the Web. With the former, the system is waiting for my next keystroke and the latter is limited by external factors. Thanks for the cogent explantion of partitioning schemes, Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sat Oct 24 13:50:51 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 06:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: <562B3365.6020007@gmail.com> References: <562B3365.6020007@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Oct 2015, King Beowulf wrote: > A SSD serves the following purposes: > 1. Boot fast > 2. save laptop battery life > 3. speed up drive I/O intensive data access. > > (1) is irrelevant for most Linux distros, especially Slackware. How > often will you reboot? When Pat and crew release a new distribution version ... or the system hangs or fails. > (2) is very handy. Added 2+ hrs to a laptop battery life here. > Irrelevant for wall plugged servers unless you a Google or Amazon, etc. So, not an issue here, either. > (3) large databases, or processing any kind of large data sets. This is worth considering. > So, IMHO, a 60GB SSD is pretty much useless unless you run Windows. But > since I never throw away hardware and a drive is a drive, put / > (everything) on the SSD except these partitions on the WD HD: > > /home > /var > /tmp (or in tmpfs) > > and maybe /data for your big server data sets (web, mail, etc.). If you > don't put much in /home that can shrink. use LVM on /data if you expect > to need to resize/reallocate for more data. ext4 is fine for most uses > and well supported. If I were buying hard drives now my choices would be different than they were when I assembled this hardware. However, given that I have vastly excessive HDD space I might as well use it. Since I am not supporting a bunch of users my decisions are less critical than were I setting up a company or department server. Thanks again, Ed, Rich From galens at seitzassoc.com Sat Oct 24 17:12:26 2015 From: galens at seitzassoc.com (Galen Seitz) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:12:26 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: References: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> Message-ID: <562BBBFA.7060300@seitzassoc.com> On 10/24/15 06:15, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, chris (fool) mccraw wrote: > >> I think you should put /opt on the SSD. It is, for the effects of this >> conversation, "your OS". Nearly every other distro keeps all of its meat >> in /usr, i guess slackware uses /opt for the installed packages instead. > > Chris, > > Over the years this issue repeats on the slackware mail list or > linuxquestions. Purists say all executables should go in /usr and > custom-built, company-specific applications should be installed in > /usr/local. Yet, applications such as google-earth and jgnash install by > default in /opt. To me it's similar to asking if you keep your wallet in the > left or right pocket of you pants. Stuff you build yourself generally goes in /usr/local, and third-party applications generally go in /opt. For example, I have electronic design tools from companies like Altera, TI, and Xilinx. I install their software under /opt. Because I can almost always find packages(rpms) for the other stuff I need, my /usr/local happens to contain only one tool that I built myself. Since you are the only one using your machine, you can obviously put stuff wherever you like, but if you stray too far from convention, you might find yourself swimming upstream. You can find more rationalization for this here: /usr/local /opt Top of the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard spec galen -- Galen Seitz galens at seitzassoc.com From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sat Oct 24 17:43:55 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: <562BBBFA.7060300@seitzassoc.com> References: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> <562BBBFA.7060300@seitzassoc.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Oct 2015, Galen Seitz wrote: > Stuff you build yourself generally goes in /usr/local, and third-party > applications generally go in /opt. galen, This is, I think, the first time I saw the rationale for using /usr/local and /opt. Makes good sense to me. On the new box I'll move the locally-built tools from /opt to /usr/local. Thanks for the explanation, Rich From johnxj at comcast.net Sat Oct 24 18:30:07 2015 From: johnxj at comcast.net (John Jason Jordan) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:30:07 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: References: <562B3365.6020007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20151024113007.0a23cea9@Devil-Bonobo> On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 06:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Rich Shepard dijo: >If I were buying hard drives now my choices would be different than they >were when I assembled this hardware. However, given that I have vastly >excessive HDD space I might as well use it. Since I am not supporting a >bunch of users my decisions are less critical than were I setting up a >company or department server. So far no one has mentioned a partition system that recently saved me considerable downtime, so I will add my tuppence to the thread. A couple years ago I bought a new 17" System76 laptop with a 512MB SSD and a 1TB hybrid drive to replace my still functional Thinkpad T61. I installed Xubuntu with separate partitions for / and /home, both on the SSD, leaving the hybrid drive empty for future expansion. The SSD is currently 69% used. A few months after buying the laptop the video started going wonky. After much poking and consulting with System76 support it was determined that the video chip was the culprit. This required shipping the laptop back to System76 for a motherboard replacement under warranty (excellent service, btw). I told them that I was going to ship it back with just the hybrid drive and that they could install whatever they wanted on the hybrid. Meantime I bought a USB adapter to hold the SSD for a few bucks from the local store that we love to hate. I put the SSD into it, plugged it into the Thinkpad and booted to it. I was pleasantly amazed. Everything was exactly as it had been - even the video came up perfectly. I didn't need to tweak anything. I was completely back in business and I suffered no downtime at all. I like the idea of separate partitions for / and /home, but I am now a firm believer in keeping them on the same physical drive. From russ at dimstar.net Sat Oct 24 18:52:03 2015 From: russ at dimstar.net (Russell Johnson) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:52:03 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: <20151024113007.0a23cea9@Devil-Bonobo> References: <562B3365.6020007@gmail.com> <20151024113007.0a23cea9@Devil-Bonobo> Message-ID: <0645281B-ECC9-42EB-9476-6C1F416D72A8@dimstar.net> > On Oct 24, 2015, at 11:30, John Jason Jordan wrote: > > Meantime I bought a USB adapter to hold the SSD for a few bucks from the > local store that we love to hate. I put the SSD into it, plugged it > into the Thinkpad and booted to it. I was pleasantly amazed. Everything > was exactly as it had been - even the video came up perfectly. I didn't > need to tweak anything. I was completely back in business and I > suffered no downtime at all. This happens because some distros of linux, unlike some other user mode operating systems, installs all the drivers, and sorts out the differences during boot. I used to leverage that in the engineering lab I ran. I could image a hard drive, or swap a drive from one system to another, and rarely worry about what chipset was in use for anything the system was doing. It just worked.(tm) ? Russell Johnson russ at dimstar.net From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sun Oct 25 17:18:00 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 10:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Video Cable Adapter Needed Message-ID: The salesman at Free Geek provided the wrong video cable adapter with the system I bought yesterday. My monitor has a DVI cable attached and the system end is male. He gave me a male-male VGA cable with a female-VGA to male-DVI adapter. What I need is a male-VGA to female-DVI adapter. Since Free Geek is closed tomorrow please suggest a place I can buy this adapter (perhaps ENU?) so I can swap hard drives and get the replacement system running. TIA, Rich From kens at cad2cam.com Sun Oct 25 17:31:56 2015 From: kens at cad2cam.com (Ken Stephens) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 10:31:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Video Cable Adapter Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562D120C.6050307@cad2cam.com> Rich Shepard wrote: > The salesman at Free Geek provided the wrong video cable adapter with the > system I bought yesterday. My monitor has a DVI cable attached and the > system end is male. He gave me a male-male VGA cable with a female-VGA to > male-DVI adapter. What I need is a male-VGA to female-DVI adapter. Since > Free Geek is closed tomorrow please suggest a place I can buy this adapter > (perhaps ENU?) so I can swap hard drives and get the replacement system > running. > > TIA, > > Rich > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > Fry's From kens at cad2cam.com Sun Oct 25 17:31:56 2015 From: kens at cad2cam.com (Ken Stephens) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 10:31:56 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Video Cable Adapter Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562D120C.6050307@cad2cam.com> Rich Shepard wrote: > The salesman at Free Geek provided the wrong video cable adapter with the > system I bought yesterday. My monitor has a DVI cable attached and the > system end is male. He gave me a male-male VGA cable with a female-VGA to > male-DVI adapter. What I need is a male-VGA to female-DVI adapter. Since > Free Geek is closed tomorrow please suggest a place I can buy this adapter > (perhaps ENU?) so I can swap hard drives and get the replacement system > running. > > TIA, > > Rich > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > Fry's From dexter at ambidexter.com Sun Oct 25 17:42:43 2015 From: dexter at ambidexter.com (Michael Dexter) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 10:42:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] TONIGHT PLUG Advanced Topics: OpenNMS In-Reply-To: References: <56267E15.9050003@ambidexter.com> Message-ID: <562D1493.2010201@ambidexter.com> On 10/21/15 9:40 AM, Ken Eshelby wrote: > Thanks for the invite to talk and for the great patience and indulgence of > a talk that was at least a half hour too long! I hope everyone found a > thing or two of interest in all of that information. People will vote with their feet. That was great and I think the sheer scale of what you're doing was key. Most tools will fall down early in the growth. Thanks for talking at PLUG! Who's next? Michael Dexter PLUG Volunteer From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sun Oct 25 18:26:18 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Video Cable Adapter Needed In-Reply-To: <562D120C.6050307@cad2cam.com> References: <562D120C.6050307@cad2cam.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Oct 2015, Ken Stephens wrote: > Fry's I might need to drive there. Thanks, Ken, Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sun Oct 25 18:30:53 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Video Cable Adapter Needed [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: References: <562D120C.6050307@cad2cam.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Oct 2015, Rich Shepard wrote: >> Fry's > > I might need to drive there. Turns out that the Best Buy in Gresham has one. Thanks, Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Sun Oct 25 18:55:37 2015 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Video Cable Adapter Needed [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: References: <562D120C.6050307@cad2cam.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Oct 2015, Rich Shepard wrote: > Turns out that the Best Buy in Gresham has one. They just called back to say they don't have that flavor of adapter; the picture in their computer database is incorrect. Sigh. Will try ENU tomorrow; a 72-mile round trip to Fry's for a single adapter makes it very expensive. Rich From mike at linuxexam.com Sun Oct 25 21:45:06 2015 From: mike at linuxexam.com (MJang) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:45:06 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Congrats to Michael Dexter Message-ID: <1445809506.5039.54.camel@kauai> Hi, Look who won the first Cascadia Community Builder Award: Michael Dexter! https://twitter.com/seagl/status/658057554115727361 Well deserved, Michael. Congrats. Thanks, Mike From heinlein at madboa.com Mon Oct 26 15:45:37 2015 From: heinlein at madboa.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 08:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] Configuring Dual SSD/spinning HD System In-Reply-To: <562BBBFA.7060300@seitzassoc.com> References: <562AA9F8.9090601@cad2cam.com> <562BBBFA.7060300@seitzassoc.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Oct 2015, Galen Seitz wrote: >> Over the years this issue repeats on the slackware mail list or >> linuxquestions. Purists say all executables should go in /usr and >> custom-built, company-specific applications should be installed in >> /usr/local. Yet, applications such as google-earth and jgnash >> install by default in /opt. To me it's similar to asking if you >> keep your wallet in the left or right pocket of you pants. > > Stuff you build yourself generally goes in /usr/local, and > third-party applications generally go in /opt. I think this is the most widespead interpretation. Red Hat installs its non-standard packages (the Software Collections) in /opt/rh. It's true in the land of Solaris clones like OmniOS; third-party software goes into /opt. Even on my Macs, third-party package distributor MacPorts installs into /opt. -- Paul Heinlein heinlein at madboa.com 45?38' N, 122?6' W From dexter at ambidexter.com Mon Oct 26 19:25:00 2015 From: dexter at ambidexter.com (Michael Dexter) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:25:00 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Congrats to Michael Dexter In-Reply-To: <1445809506.5039.54.camel@kauai> References: <1445809506.5039.54.camel@kauai> Message-ID: <562E7E0C.4020401@ambidexter.com> On 10/25/15 2:45 PM, MJang wrote: > Well deserved, Michael. Congrats. Thank you Mike! It's been a good month in this regard! http://freebsdfoundation.blogspot.com/2015/10/eurobsdcon-2015-recap.html Michael Dexter PLUG Volunteer From michael at jamhome.us Mon Oct 26 21:40:11 2015 From: michael at jamhome.us (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 14:40:11 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] imap server that allows ssl certificate based authentication? Message-ID: <20151026214011.GA7606@jamhome.us> My current imap server is Courier. And having finally set up mutt to use imap based message stores I'd like to also use my ssl shared key for authentication. Courier does not support this. What imap servers do? (currently searching Dovecot references...) -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity Sign of age: you feel the hangover in your hips instead of your head. ~ Michael Rasmussen From neil at aliens.la Mon Oct 26 21:43:34 2015 From: neil at aliens.la (neil at aliens.la) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 14:43:34 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] =?utf-8?q?imap_server_that_allows_ssl_certificate_based_au?= =?utf-8?q?thentication=3F?= In-Reply-To: <20151026214011.GA7606@jamhome.us> References: <20151026214011.GA7606@jamhome.us> Message-ID: <6ef9f887d181a820af97b9ada2e6cf64@aliens.la> I've used both dovecot and courier with SSL certificates so i'm not sure why you are not able to. I might be misunderstanding what an SSL shared key is. On 2015-10-26 14:40, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > My current imap server is Courier. And having finally set up mutt to > use imap based message stores I'd like to also use my ssl shared key > for authentication. Courier does not support this. What imap servers > do? > > (currently searching Dovecot references...) From michael at jamhome.us Mon Oct 26 21:54:38 2015 From: michael at jamhome.us (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 14:54:38 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] imap server that allows ssl certificate based authentication? In-Reply-To: <6ef9f887d181a820af97b9ada2e6cf64@aliens.la> References: <20151026214011.GA7606@jamhome.us> <6ef9f887d181a820af97b9ada2e6cf64@aliens.la> Message-ID: <20151026215438.GA7732@jamhome.us> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 02:43:34PM -0700, neil at aliens.la wrote: > > I've used both dovecot and courier with SSL certificates so i'm not sure > why you are not able to. > > I might be misunderstanding what an SSL shared key is. This is for client authentication when connecting to the imap server. Rather than checking my password against /etc/shadow I want it to request my shared key stored in ~/.ssh and compare to the public version in ~/.ssh on the mail server. Much like being able to ssh to another server when you have the keys set up. > On 2015-10-26 14:40, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > My current imap server is Courier. And having finally set up mutt to > > use imap based message stores I'd like to also use my ssl shared key > > for authentication. Courier does not support this. What imap servers > > do? > > > > (currently searching Dovecot references...) > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity It's not your beauty that makes you beautiful ~ it's your dreams, your soul and the way you love. ~ http://someoneoncetoldme.com/gallery/20012008 From neil at aliens.la Mon Oct 26 22:13:48 2015 From: neil at aliens.la (neil at aliens.la) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:13:48 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] =?utf-8?q?imap_server_that_allows_ssl_certificate_based_au?= =?utf-8?q?thentication=3F?= In-Reply-To: <20151026215438.GA7732@jamhome.us> References: <20151026214011.GA7606@jamhome.us> <6ef9f887d181a820af97b9ada2e6cf64@aliens.la> <20151026215438.GA7732@jamhome.us> Message-ID: Wow! I never knew that existed for email servers. I'll be interested to note the result when you've finished researching it. Neil On 2015-10-26 14:54, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 02:43:34PM -0700, neil at aliens.la wrote: >> >> I've used both dovecot and courier with SSL certificates so i'm not >> sure >> why you are not able to. >> >> I might be misunderstanding what an SSL shared key is. > > This is for client authentication when connecting to the imap server. > Rather than checking my password against /etc/shadow I want it to > request > my shared key stored in ~/.ssh and compare to the public version in > ~/.ssh on the mail server. > > Much like being able to ssh to another server when you have the keys > set up. > > > >> On 2015-10-26 14:40, Michael Rasmussen wrote: >> > My current imap server is Courier. And having finally set up mutt to >> > use imap based message stores I'd like to also use my ssl shared key >> > for authentication. Courier does not support this. What imap servers >> > do? >> > >> > (currently searching Dovecot references...) >> _______________________________________________ >> PLUG mailing list >> PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> From michael at jamhome.us Mon Oct 26 22:28:43 2015 From: michael at jamhome.us (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:28:43 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] imap server that allows ssl certificate based authentication? In-Reply-To: References: <20151026214011.GA7606@jamhome.us> <6ef9f887d181a820af97b9ada2e6cf64@aliens.la> <20151026215438.GA7732@jamhome.us> Message-ID: <20151026222843.GA7920@jamhome.us> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 03:13:48PM -0700, neil at aliens.la wrote: > Wow! I never knew that existed for email servers. I'll be interested > to note the result when you've finished researching it. With the world filled with lazy people? It has to be. One option seems to be Dovecot. http://wiki2.dovecot.org/SSL/DovecotConfiguration Scroll down to "Client certificate verification/authentication" > On 2015-10-26 14:54, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 02:43:34PM -0700, neil at aliens.la wrote: > >> > >> I've used both dovecot and courier with SSL certificates so i'm not > >> sure > >> why you are not able to. > >> > >> I might be misunderstanding what an SSL shared key is. > > > > This is for client authentication when connecting to the imap server. > > Rather than checking my password against /etc/shadow I want it to > > request > > my shared key stored in ~/.ssh and compare to the public version in > > ~/.ssh on the mail server. > > > > Much like being able to ssh to another server when you have the keys > > set up. > > > > > > > >> On 2015-10-26 14:40, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > >> > My current imap server is Courier. And having finally set up mutt to > >> > use imap based message stores I'd like to also use my ssl shared key > >> > for authentication. Courier does not support this. What imap servers > >> > do? > >> > > >> > (currently searching Dovecot references...) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PLUG mailing list > >> PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity Never turn down a conversation. ~ http://someoneoncetoldme.com/gallery/21012009 From martin at linux-ip.net Mon Oct 26 22:55:29 2015 From: martin at linux-ip.net (Martin A. Brown) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:55:29 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] imap server that allows ssl certificate based authentication? In-Reply-To: <20151026215438.GA7732@jamhome.us> References: <20151026214011.GA7606@jamhome.us> <6ef9f887d181a820af97b9ada2e6cf64@aliens.la> <20151026215438.GA7732@jamhome.us> Message-ID: Good afternoon, >> > My current imap server is Courier. And having finally set up >> > mutt to use imap based message stores I'd like to also use my >> > ssl shared key for authentication. Courier does not support >> > this. What imap servers do? >> > >> > (currently searching Dovecot references...) >> >> I've used both dovecot and courier with SSL certificates so i'm >> not sure why you are not able to. >> >> I might be misunderstanding what an SSL shared key is. > >This is for client authentication when connecting to the imap >server. So, you would like to use a client-side SSL certificate and you want the server to validate that certificate? https://www.stunnel.org/features.html >Rather than checking my password against /etc/shadow I want >it to request my shared key stored in ~/.ssh and compare to the >public version in ~/.ssh on the mail server. You appear to be asking about SSL in the subject line, but referring to a 'shared key stored in ~/.ssh' in the body. It is unclear from this whether you mean ssh or client-identifying SSL certificates. That is probably immaterial given that you simply want to use mutt to talk to your (courier) imapd. Given: A) your question sounds like you are asking only for yourself B) theconvenient factor that courier-imap functions as a forked one-process-per-connection service C) you already have shell access to the remote server (sounds like it is yours) Then: Why not use ssh as the transport instead of bothering with SSL? In that case you could use a force-command option in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (server side): command='/usr/lib/courier-imap/bin/imapd Maildir' If you need to set a bunch of environment variables ahead of time, then simply replace that command='' with the path to a shell script that sets the appropriate envars and ends with: exec \ /usr/lib/courier-imap/bin/imapd Maildir Or whatever suits your fancy. >Much like being able to ssh to another server when you have the >keys set up. If you actually meant that you want your server (couriertls) to validate an offered client certificate, then you could also use an SSL-capable transport layer shim like stunnel [0] (cf. Bri Hatch from Seattle's gslug). That's all, -Martin P.S. What versions of the various courier tools are you using in order to get mutt to communicate happily with the imapd? [0] https://www.stunnel.org/features.html -- Martin A. Brown http://linux-ip.net/ From michael at jamhome.us Mon Oct 26 23:43:57 2015 From: michael at jamhome.us (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:43:57 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] imap server that allows ssl certificate based authentication? In-Reply-To: References: <20151026214011.GA7606@jamhome.us> <6ef9f887d181a820af97b9ada2e6cf64@aliens.la> <20151026215438.GA7732@jamhome.us> Message-ID: <20151026234357.GA8482@jamhome.us> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 03:55:29PM -0700, Martin A. Brown wrote: > > Good afternoon, > > >> > My current imap server is Courier. And having finally set up > >> > mutt to use imap based message stores I'd like to also use my > >> > ssl shared key for authentication. Courier does not support > >> > this. What imap servers do? > >> > > >> > (currently searching Dovecot references...) > [snip] > > You appear to be asking about SSL in the subject line, but referring > to a 'shared key stored in ~/.ssh' in the body. It is unclear from > this whether you mean ssh or client-identifying SSL certificates. > > That is probably immaterial given that you simply want to use mutt > to talk to your (courier) imapd. > > Given: > > A) your question sounds like you are asking only for yourself > B) theconvenient factor that courier-imap functions as a forked > one-process-per-connection service > C) you already have shell access to the remote server (sounds like > it is yours) > > Then: > > Why not use ssh as the transport instead of bothering with SSL? > > In that case you could use a force-command option in > ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (server side): > > command='/usr/lib/courier-imap/bin/imapd Maildir' > > If you need to set a bunch of environment variables ahead of time, > then simply replace that command='' with the path to a shell script > that sets the appropriate envars and ends with: > > exec \ > /usr/lib/courier-imap/bin/imapd Maildir > > Or whatever suits your fancy. > > >Much like being able to ssh to another server when you have the > >keys set up. > > If you actually meant that you want your server (couriertls) to > validate an offered client certificate, then you could also use an > SSL-capable transport layer shim like stunnel [0] (cf. Bri Hatch > from Seattle's gslug). > > That's all, > > -Martin > > P.S. What versions of the various courier tools are you using in > order to get mutt to communicate happily with the imapd? > > [0] https://www.stunnel.org/features.html I was conflating use of ssh and SSL certs. One can put your password in .muttrc but clear text passwords are a bad habit. So I was exploring a way to use public key to authenticate the imap session. Courier is v4.9.1 - it was chosen years ago and the decision has not be revisited. Not that I'm adverse to doing so. stunnel would work, I'll weigh it vs coercing imap server to fit my whim. I now have a working system and the improvements will be incremental. FWIW - this all started when I wanted to run mutt from my laptop instead of sshing to my server for email. In past trials I've found Thunderbird to be slow and ugly and web mail options to be cumbersome. -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity I'm talking about large trends here, and therefore when I say things like "nobody" I really mean "fewer than 10,000,000 people." ~ Joel Spolsky From tim-pdxlug at sentinelchicken.org Mon Oct 26 23:56:35 2015 From: tim-pdxlug at sentinelchicken.org (Tim) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:56:35 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] imap server that allows ssl certificate based authentication? In-Reply-To: <20151026234357.GA8482@jamhome.us> References: <20151026214011.GA7606@jamhome.us> <6ef9f887d181a820af97b9ada2e6cf64@aliens.la> <20151026215438.GA7732@jamhome.us> <20151026234357.GA8482@jamhome.us> Message-ID: <20151026235635.GP28306@sentinelchicken.org> > Courier is v4.9.1 - it was chosen years ago and the decision has not be revisited. Not that I'm adverse to doing so. I recently chose dovecot over courier and it has been working out pretty well. If it has integrated certificate support and isn't too hard to set up, that might be your best option. I considered doing that as well, but since my cell phone email client didn't support client certificates at the time, I never followed through. > stunnel would work, I'll weigh it vs coercing imap server to fit my whim. In past projects I've always found stunnel to be confusing and buggy. There are several versions of it and the newer versions just seemed to confuse things more. Recently I've switched to socat for similar features. It's far more of a swiss army knife, but also more intuitive for me. I've never looked into using it for IMAP access (and how you'd handle user identity info, or whatever) so it would be a DIY project of sorts, but it is worth looking into. > I now have a working system and the improvements will be incremental. > > FWIW - this all started when I wanted to run mutt from my laptop instead of sshing to my server for email. > In past trials I've found Thunderbird to be slow and ugly and web mail options to be cumbersome. sshfs might be an option, though probably slow... HTH, tim From fredjame at fredjame.cnc.net Tue Oct 27 00:10:44 2015 From: fredjame at fredjame.cnc.net (Fred James) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:10:44 -0400 Subject: [PLUG] configuring kde on mageia5 question Message-ID: <562EC104.9060904@fredjame.cnc.net> KDE 4.14 (on Mageia 5 64bit) The "Application Launcher" menu, has at the top, the "Recently Used Applications" list Right clicking on the "Application Launcher" icon in the task bar (at the bottom of the screen) and then navigate Application Launcher Menu Settings -> Options and there is an adjustable number for "Recently Used Applications" Problem one: the value is set to the maximum (10), but only 9 show in the menu Problem two: all the documentation I can find for increasing that value seems to be "OLD" and doesn't match anything I find in ~/.kde4/share/config/ Question one: is that a bug? Question two: how can I increase that value, now, and is there a maximum it can be increase to? Thank you Regards Fred James From martin at linux-ip.net Tue Oct 27 00:39:41 2015 From: martin at linux-ip.net (Martin A. Brown) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:39:41 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] imap server that allows ssl certificate based authentication? In-Reply-To: <20151026235635.GP28306@sentinelchicken.org> References: <20151026214011.GA7606@jamhome.us> <6ef9f887d181a820af97b9ada2e6cf64@aliens.la> <20151026215438.GA7732@jamhome.us> <20151026234357.GA8482@jamhome.us> <20151026235635.GP28306@sentinelchicken.org> Message-ID: Tim and Michael, > > Courier is v4.9.1 - it was chosen years ago and the decision has > > not be revisited. Not that I'm adverse to doing so. > > I recently chose dovecot over courier and it has been working out > pretty well. If it has integrated certificate support and isn't > too hard to set up, that might be your best option. I considered > doing that as well, but since my cell phone email client didn't > support client certificates at the time, I never followed through. So, you seem also to be using mutt with dovecot.... User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) > > stunnel would work, I'll weigh it vs coercing imap server to fit my whim. > > In past projects I've always found stunnel to be confusing and buggy. > There are several versions of it and the newer versions just seemed to > confuse things more. Noted. I, myself, haven't used it in a few years, but found it fairly reliable and flexible when I did use it (though that was a few years back). > Recently I've switched to socat for similar features. It's far > more of a swiss army knife, but also more intuitive for me. Agreed! I love socat! It does not support client SSL certificate handling, but it is a wonderful and lightweight CLI and can also function in a pinch as a capable, if modest server. I love that it can connect to just about any kind of file or socket. So much more flexible than 'nc'. > I've never looked into using it for IMAP access (and how you'd > handle user identity info, or whatever) so it would be a DIY > project of sorts, but it is worth looking into. > > I now have a working system and the improvements will be incremental. > > > > FWIW - this all started when I wanted to run mutt from my laptop > > instead of sshing to my server for email. In past trials I've > > found Thunderbird to be slow and ugly and web mail options to be > > cumbersome. I can't necessarily corroborate on the sluggishness point, Michael, but I also love console IMAP and mutt is my preferred MUA (even if I'm using alpine at the moment). > sshfs might be an option, though probably slow... Another viable option for a single user.... -Martin -- Martin A. Brown http://linux-ip.net/ From heinlein at madboa.com Tue Oct 27 15:08:59 2015 From: heinlein at madboa.com (Paul Heinlein) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 08:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PLUG] imap server that allows ssl certificate based authentication? In-Reply-To: <20151026234357.GA8482@jamhome.us> References: <20151026214011.GA7606@jamhome.us> <6ef9f887d181a820af97b9ada2e6cf64@aliens.la> <20151026215438.GA7732@jamhome.us> <20151026234357.GA8482@jamhome.us> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Oct 2015, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > I was conflating use of ssh and SSL certs. One can put your password > in .muttrc but clear text passwords are a bad habit. So I was > exploring a way to use public key to authenticate the imap session. > Courier is v4.9.1 - it was chosen years ago and the decision has not > be revisited. Not that I'm adverse to doing so. stunnel would work, > I'll weigh it vs coercing imap server to fit my whim. Personally, I like combining passwords and tokens (the old "what I have and what I know" combo). I've been using password-based IMAP transported over certificate-based OpenVPN, which does the trick for me. I readily acknowledge that my solution isn't really what you're hoping to use. Still, it's flexible enough so that all sorts of services that traditionally rely on passwords (SMTP AUTH, web services, plus IMAP) can be wrapped in a certificate-authenticated connection. It has the further benefit that you only need to contact one remote port, reducing the chance that a local firewall will become an obstacle to your session. -- Paul Heinlein heinlein at madboa.com 45?38' N, 122?6' W From tim-pdxlug at sentinelchicken.org Tue Oct 27 16:52:14 2015 From: tim-pdxlug at sentinelchicken.org (Tim) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 09:52:14 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] imap server that allows ssl certificate based authentication? In-Reply-To: References: <20151026214011.GA7606@jamhome.us> <6ef9f887d181a820af97b9ada2e6cf64@aliens.la> <20151026215438.GA7732@jamhome.us> <20151026234357.GA8482@jamhome.us> Message-ID: <20151027165214.GB21830@sentinelchicken.org> > Personally, I like combining passwords and tokens (the old "what I have and > what I know" combo). I've been using password-based IMAP transported over > certificate-based OpenVPN, which does the trick for me. > > I readily acknowledge that my solution isn't really what you're hoping to > use. Still, it's flexible enough so that all sorts of services that > traditionally rely on passwords (SMTP AUTH, web services, plus IMAP) can be > wrapped in a certificate-authenticated connection. I made this same decision about authenticated IMAP. I run OpenVPN on my laptop and it works fine. It is usually quite good about recovering when network connectivity comes and goes. If you're already using OpenVPN for other things, it is a logical choice to skip using certificates with each individual service. The trouble I ran into, though, was with OpenVPN on my Android. I can't get it working at all, and I've spent countless hours trying to debug it (with root access on my phone, sniffing at both ends, etc). The OpenVPN client connects, successfully authenticates, and then nothing happens. No packets at all are transmitted over the established connection. It is super frustrating, and no OpenVPN folks stepped up to help me figure it out. I'm just hoping with the next Android phone it will magically work... Ok, enough venting. > It has the further benefit that you only need to contact one remote port, > reducing the chance that a local firewall will become an obstacle to your > session. Yup. You can run OpenVPN on unusual ports (e.g. 53/UDP) that are often allowed outbound without filtering. In addition, if you use the tls-auth option with a UDP port, attackers can't even tell the OpenVPN service is running on you rserver unless they know the pre-auth symmetric key. (This is kinda like a group password checked on the very first packet before certificate authentication is performed.) tim From tim-pdxlug at sentinelchicken.org Tue Oct 27 16:55:36 2015 From: tim-pdxlug at sentinelchicken.org (Tim) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 09:55:36 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] imap server that allows ssl certificate based authentication? In-Reply-To: References: <20151026214011.GA7606@jamhome.us> <6ef9f887d181a820af97b9ada2e6cf64@aliens.la> <20151026215438.GA7732@jamhome.us> <20151026234357.GA8482@jamhome.us> <20151026235635.GP28306@sentinelchicken.org> Message-ID: <20151027165536.GC21830@sentinelchicken.org> > So, you seem also to be using mutt with dovecot.... > > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Well, not quite... I found Mutt's IMAP support was lacking. Also, since I run a business off of my mail infrastructure, I am forced to use things like Thunderbird to manage meeting invites and the like, etc. So mutt is for personal mail via SSH, and IMAP is for work stuff. > Agreed! I love socat! > > It does not support client SSL certificate handling, but it is a > wonderful and lightweight CLI and can also function in a pinch as a > capable, if modest server. I love that it can connect to just about > any kind of file or socket. So much more flexible than 'nc'. Ok, good to know about the lack of client cert handling. tim From dick at dicksteffens.com Fri Oct 30 18:52:16 2015 From: dick at dicksteffens.com (Dick Steffens) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 11:52:16 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] VirtualBox Question Message-ID: <5633BC60.4050803@dicksteffens.com> My desktop is dual boot to either Ubuntu 12.04 or Ubuntu 14.04. They are installed in separate hard drives, not separate partitions on the same drive. I have VirtualBox installed on each. In the Ubuntu 12.04 installation I have a Windows 7 virtual machine. I tried exporting it to the installation on Ubuntu 14.04, but the Windows copy protection system doesn't like that it's on a different drive. I know that I can do something with MS to move the installation to a different drive, but at this point I'm testing to see if I want to switch to 14 or stay with 12 a bit longer, and I'd rather not mess with "moving" my virtual Win 7. Is there some way to tell VirtualBox on my 14 installation to use the virtual machine on the 12 installation's drive? If so, what is the concept called so I can search for instructions on how to do it? Thanks. -- Regards, Dick Steffens From ronabop at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 19:13:03 2015 From: ronabop at gmail.com (Ronald Chmara) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:13:03 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] VirtualBox Question In-Reply-To: <5633BC60.4050803@dicksteffens.com> References: <5633BC60.4050803@dicksteffens.com> Message-ID: Are you asking how your 14 can mount the 12 disk as a drive, so your 14 can see the Virtualbox image on that 12 disk? On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Dick Steffens wrote: > My desktop is dual boot to either Ubuntu 12.04 or Ubuntu 14.04. They are > installed in separate hard drives, not separate partitions on the same > drive. I have VirtualBox installed on each. In the Ubuntu 12.04 > installation I have a Windows 7 virtual machine. I tried exporting it to > the installation on Ubuntu 14.04, but the Windows copy protection system > doesn't like that it's on a different drive. I know that I can do > something with MS to move the installation to a different drive, but at > this point I'm testing to see if I want to switch to 14 or stay with 12 > a bit longer, and I'd rather not mess with "moving" my virtual Win 7. > > Is there some way to tell VirtualBox on my 14 installation to use the > virtual machine on the 12 installation's drive? If so, what is the > concept called so I can search for instructions on how to do it? > > Thanks. > > -- > Regards, > > Dick Steffens > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From pm at nellump.net Fri Oct 30 19:23:03 2015 From: pm at nellump.net (Paul Mullen) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:23:03 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] VirtualBox Question In-Reply-To: <5633BC60.4050803@dicksteffens.com> References: <5633BC60.4050803@dicksteffens.com> Message-ID: <20151030192303.GA16411@jupiter.nellump.net> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:52:16AM -0700, Dick Steffens wrote: > In the Ubuntu 12.04 installation I have a Windows 7 virtual machine. > I tried exporting it to the installation on Ubuntu 14.04, but the > Windows copy protection system doesn't like that it's on a different > drive. You should be able to simply copy the disk image from one system to the other. You'll need to duplicate the settings of the 12.04 VBox machine on the 14.04 system, though. Make sure everything related to the VM's hardware is identical (RAM, video card, network interface, etc.). > Is there some way to tell VirtualBox on my 14 installation to use > the virtual machine on the 12 installation's drive? You can modify the storage settings of the VM on the 14.04 system so that it uses the disk image on the 12.04 drive (assuming you already have the 12.04 drive mounted somewhere on your 14.04 system). It might be a good idea to clone the existing VM on the 14.04 system, and use the resulting duplicate VM with the disk image on the 12.04 drive. -- Paul Mullen From dick at dicksteffens.com Fri Oct 30 19:27:33 2015 From: dick at dicksteffens.com (Dick Steffens) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:27:33 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] VirtualBox Question In-Reply-To: References: <5633BC60.4050803@dicksteffens.com> Message-ID: <5633C4A5.6080209@dicksteffens.com> On 10/30/2015 12:13 PM, Ronald Chmara wrote: > Are you asking how your 14 can mount the 12 disk as a drive, so your 14 can > see the Virtualbox image on that 12 disk? No. That part I understand. With Nautilus I can temporarily mount the other drive. And, if I always want it mounted, I can put it in fstab. I'm asking how to tell the 14 VirtualBox to use the 12 virtual Win7 image from the mounted drive. -- Regards, Dick Steffens From dick at dicksteffens.com Fri Oct 30 19:35:09 2015 From: dick at dicksteffens.com (Dick Steffens) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:35:09 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Resolved: VirtualBox Question In-Reply-To: <20151030192303.GA16411@jupiter.nellump.net> References: <5633BC60.4050803@dicksteffens.com> <20151030192303.GA16411@jupiter.nellump.net> Message-ID: <5633C66D.6030508@dicksteffens.com> On 10/30/2015 12:23 PM, Paul Mullen wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:52:16AM -0700, Dick Steffens wrote: >> In the Ubuntu 12.04 installation I have a Windows 7 virtual machine. >> I tried exporting it to the installation on Ubuntu 14.04, but the >> Windows copy protection system doesn't like that it's on a different >> drive. > You should be able to simply copy the disk image from one system to > the other. You'll need to duplicate the settings of the 12.04 VBox > machine on the 14.04 system, though. Make sure everything related to > the VM's hardware is identical (RAM, video card, network interface, > etc.). I tried that. Win7 complains. I'm assuming it's because of the MS protection system seeing it's on a different drive. > >> Is there some way to tell VirtualBox on my 14 installation to use >> the virtual machine on the 12 installation's drive? > You can modify the storage settings of the VM on the 14.04 system so > that it uses the disk image on the 12.04 drive (assuming you already > have the 12.04 drive mounted somewhere on your 14.04 system). It > might be a good idea to clone the existing VM on the 14.04 system, and > use the resulting duplicate VM with the disk image on the 12.04 drive. That worked. Thanks! -- Regards, Dick Steffens From dexter at ambidexter.com Fri Oct 30 20:46:50 2015 From: dexter at ambidexter.com (Michael Dexter) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:46:50 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Me Message-ID: <5633D73A.6090801@ambidexter.com> Hello, If anyone is wondering what goes on in my head, this is a pretty good overview: http://freebsdfoundation.blogspot.com/2015/10/faces-of-freebsd-2015-michael-dexter.html Michael Dexter PLUG Volunteer From russ at dimstar.net Fri Oct 30 21:56:06 2015 From: russ at dimstar.net (Russell Johnson) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:56:06 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Resolved: VirtualBox Question In-Reply-To: <5633C66D.6030508@dicksteffens.com> References: <5633BC60.4050803@dicksteffens.com> <20151030192303.GA16411@jupiter.nellump.net> <5633C66D.6030508@dicksteffens.com> Message-ID: > On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:35, Dick Steffens wrote: > > I tried that. Win7 complains. I'm assuming it's because of the MS > protection system seeing it's on a different drive. Usually, the system will ask if you moved the image, or if you copied it. I?m not entirely sure what VirtualBox does, but both VMWare and Parallels ask that question when it thinks it?s on a different machine. If you answer, ?I moved it?, life goes on without an issue. If you answer, ?I copied it?, then it sets Windows so that it is inactivated, and requires you to go through the activation process again. ? Russell Johnson russ at dimstar.net From dick at dicksteffens.com Sat Oct 31 00:15:57 2015 From: dick at dicksteffens.com (Dick Steffens) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 17:15:57 -0700 Subject: [PLUG] Resolved: VirtualBox Question In-Reply-To: References: <5633BC60.4050803@dicksteffens.com> <20151030192303.GA16411@jupiter.nellump.net> <5633C66D.6030508@dicksteffens.com> Message-ID: <5634083D.8080509@dicksteffens.com> On 10/30/2015 02:56 PM, Russell Johnson wrote: >> On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:35, Dick Steffens wrote: >> >> I tried that. Win7 complains. I'm assuming it's because of the MS >> protection system seeing it's on a different drive. > Usually, the system will ask if you moved the image, or if you copied it. > > I?m not entirely sure what VirtualBox does, but both VMWare and Parallels ask that question when it thinks it?s on a different machine. > > If you answer, ?I moved it?, life goes on without an issue. If you answer, ?I copied it?, then it sets Windows so that it is inactivated, and requires you to go through the activation process again. I tried exporting it and moving it some months ago and learned that Windows didn't like that. I don't recall the details, and I wasn't in a hurry, so I put off dealing with it. So what I did this morning was to use the already created virtual machine on 14.04 but point it to the image on the 12.04 drive. Thanks for the details. -- Regards, Dick Steffens