[PLUG] VOIP, NOMOROBO, POTS, FAX

[Larry Brigman]

Got to a computer so I can add the URL: http://www.jollyrogertelco.com/
And the Ted talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXVJ4JQ3SUw

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Larry Brigman <larry.brigman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Just after answering another call like yours, I stumbled upon another site
> that doesn't charge.  Jolly Roger telephone company.  They turn the tables
> on the callers tying up the most expensive part of the operation, the human.
> You can use it with any number/service that supports ringing multiple
> numbers at the same time.  Backend database to auto select known
> robocaller.
> The guy that created it did a Ted talk about it.
>
> On Sep 6, 2017 3:23 PM, "Chuck Hast" <wchast at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> See below:
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2017 16:52, "Keith Lofstrom" <keithl at kl-ic.com> wrote:
>>
>> Today, 10 spam calls since 630 AM, and Frontier says (after
>> half an hour on hold) that they can't block fake phone
>> numbers or "Out of area".  It's like the submitting a list
>> to the police of the 10 name-badge-wearing people you don't
>> want to kill you.  Time for a change.
>>
>>
>> I was getting a load of these on my cell, ended up installing an app that
>> blocks anything that  does not id. That took care of all but the spoofed
>> numbers, most of those are dumb enough to leave a real number for callback
>> so I have been able to get rid of more of them. I have not had  a
>> landlines
>> on such a long time that I do not know what to tell you beyond the
>> Asterisk
>> thing and let it do the filtering. But you said you have had enough pain
>> with asterisk.
>>
>>
>> Complications:  We've got a fax, which we use 3-5 times
>> per month, for HIPAA-sensitive stuff.  No internet fax
>> services are truly HIPAA compliant.
>>
>>
>> I find that so funny since fax has been breakable ever since the druggers
>> used to send "orders" over hf using fax machines and very expensive SSB
>> radios, some using pilot carrier to lock both ends. HIPAA, banks and
>> insurance companies still use fax believing it is not hackable.
>>
>>
>> We've got Frontier FIOS;  QOS goes to hell on "Netflix
>> Nights", but there may be a way to fix that, too.
>>
>> Nomorobo.com (which depends on a VOIP connection) looks
>> interesting.  That means a VOIP link to the network.
>> Also, they are "free", which means somebody may be
>> paying them to listen in.
>>
>> My vague idea, feedback and consulting help welcome:
>>
>> 1) We move our 503-xxx-xxxx phone number of 30 years
>> to a VOIP service, and connect that to nomorobo.com .
>>
>> 2) We buy a magic box to connect the existing house phone
>> wiring (POTS) and the FAX to the IP network.  Suggestions?
>>
>>
>> I used to use Vonage for that, they provide the loop and ring down for
>> pots
>> phones and provide a port for fax machines. Since the encryption HIPAA
>> puts
>> so much importance in is from end to end the link being Voip should not
>> matter.
>>
>>
>>  2a) We have a dozen wireless phones scattered around the
>>  house, and eventually the greenhouse, connected that way.
>>
>>
>> That is the way I had most of my phones that talked to the Vonage device.
>>
>>
>>  2b) We have a Sangoma card than might work in a small
>>  format PC with Asterisk, but I would rather have a
>>  simple box with outside tech support.  Asterisk;
>>  been there, done that, got the scars.  Too much work!
>>
>>
>> There were a lot of solutions based on Asterisk that simplified the whole
>> process, where I see the device being useful is in filtering the phone
>> spam.
>>
>>
>> 3) PLUG puts together a SIG to think about how to do this.
>> Perhaps a few of us put together a businss.
>>
>>
>> 4) We work to change the laws to make the carriers
>> responsible for the anonymous/fraudulent crap they insist
>> on passing through.  Their computers can (in principle) be
>> programmed to stop this crap if the end user requests it;
>> they steadfastly refuse.  These are $300/incident torts;
>> If every Oregonian gets 2 such calls per week, and 25%
>> are angry enough to do something about it, that is
>> 100 million torts or $30 billion per year.  Frontier's
>> market cap is $1.1 billion, so Oregon owns them in two
>> weeks, other carriers with similar policies ditto.  We
>> sell the assets to new and responsible owners, and fund
>> the schools with the proceeds.
>>
>>
>> Wish in one hand, but creating a box to do a lot of that filtering would
>> be
>> a good thing.
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