[PLUG] What Comes After Unix?

Russell Senior russell at personaltelco.net
Thu Sep 13 20:23:54 UTC 2018


Google "worse is better" for a famous paper on the general subject.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 12:51 Tomas Kuchta <tomas.kuchta.lists at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I would google up Andrew Tanenbaum versus monolithic kernel and look back
> at the history of this debate. It goes back to 90s - birth of Linux.
>
> I am not going to judge it theoretically on a principle. Just observing the
> real world as it currently is - microkernel security currently comes
> primarily from the fact that it cannot do much and it is not used outside
> SW research and niche such as "secure" IME (remember that last year).
>
> The beauty of open source, in my opinion, is diversity and agiliy. So,
> there is place for micro kernel OS.
>
> I am not quite sure that minix is the future direction thought. It has not
> been for the last 30+ years.
>
> .....
>
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 10:30 AM Louis Kowolowski <louisk at cryptomonkeys.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 13, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Tyrell Jentink <tyrell at jentink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > ...
> > > I guess I'm concerned that there isn't enough competition to keep the
> > > internet safe. I'm concerned that capitalism, and the acceptance of
> work
> > > flows that "Technically work, and are cheap enough to not want better"
> is
> > > the enemy at hand...
> > > ...
> >
> > I'm a little unclear how capitalism is related here. If we didn't use it,
> > what would we use that would somehow mandate that people use sufficiently
> > diverse things to maintain a notion of safety?
> >
> > We have lots of browsers, but they all have to interoperate to be
> > relevant. Enter web assembly, the next way to deliver malware to every
> > browser.
> >
> > --
> > Louis Kowolowski                                louisk at cryptomonkeys.org
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