[PLUG] Ubuntu Server on HP ProLiant DL380 G5
Chuck Hast
wchast at gmail.com
Thu Aug 29 13:04:21 UTC 2019
More info, the original card I inserted was a GeForce 9500 GT, I found a
GeForce GT 640 (OEM) in my card
stash. I put that card in and noticed that the peaks dropped down to the
40+% and the valleys are up in the
30's. The grass is not so high but the area below about 45% is solid no
dead spaces, so it looks like adding
the other card reduced the peak load but filled in the dead spots so that
the average load is about 45% but I
do not see the dead spaces between higher points and I am not seeing
anything go above about 55% (only
momentarily.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 9:30 PM Chuck Hast <wchast at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a slot for another GPU, see if I can find another one out there to
> stick in it, saw a comment that if there
> was space for more than one, that would drop the CPU load even more.
>
> The H264 and H265 cameras do not use a lot of BW for sending video but the
> down side is you need a lot of
> processor to handle the stream especially with cameras that are running
> 2592 X 1944 because all of that
> compressed video has to be reversed and put out there for view.
>
> ZoneMinder is a neat product, I look at all of these low cost DVR's that
> are on the market and I think that a lot
> of them are using ZM as the core and they wrap something around it to make
> it look different. And of course
> the do not use many of the tools and capabilities that are available in
> ZM. I have seen it used for many different
> captures. I have used it to capture a pet doing something improper (needed
> to figure out which one) I have used
> it to capture some critter being a pest, same goes for people. I have also
> used it to capture events on machines
> that I was able to trigger either from improper motion or some other
> source of a trigger. I saw one fellow in the UK
> who had an issue (he and his neighbors) with some turkey driving full
> throttle through their subdivision the cops
> could never get him so he set up two cameras such that he was able to
> capture cars as they drove through the
> camera view, with a trigger zone such that he was able to write some code
> (I believe it was in Python) and put
> the vehicle speed on the video along with capturing the tag (another set
> of cameras) He got the video turned it
> over to the law and they put a stop to it. (As a flight instructor I had
> a student who did that same sort of stupidity,
> I cured him but that is a story for a different time).
>
> Yes, ZM some find a wee complicated, but that is due to the fact that it
> can do SO much. If you need a neat
> video capture solution ZM is one to look at. Windows is NOT supported,
> that is one of the first statements out
> of the box on the web site. Do not even ask...
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 6:03 PM Tomas Kuchta <tomas.kuchta.lists at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing the experience Chuck,
>>
>> Awesome result.
>>
>> -Tomas
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 17:55 Chuck Hast <wchast at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I found a GeForce 9500 GT in my card pile, I looked it up, it appeared
>> that
>> > it would work. Put it in and then
>> > loaded the Nvidia drivers and tools, as soon as it did that I saw the
>> total
>> > CPU load from from 70-90% down
>> > to 25% with peaks at 70% but they are spaced out. Before looking at the
>> CPU
>> > loading on Gkrellm there wa
>> > just a green band at about 70% with grass going to 90+ %. Also the core
>> > temps have dropped by about 10C.
>> >
>> > Thank you very much. Have to see about a newer card for the machine but
>> > that one did a lot.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 3:56 PM Chuck Hast <wchast at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Tomas,
>> > > THANK YOU!! I was trying to figure that out. The server is headless
>> but I
>> > > can put two PCI cards (short cards)
>> > > in two PCI slots, as I figure it still needs to process the video for
>> > > storage to the db and also when it is sent to
>> > > a browser or app which has linked to the server. It seemed like most
>> of
>> > > the info was someone wanting to view
>> > > the video on the server even though they still needed to use a
>> browser to
>> > > do so. But I was not clear if the server
>> > > could use the additional video cards or not. Now I am going to find a
>> > pair
>> > > of them. I already found the command
>> > > to check the HW accell. but did not invoke it, as it is I do not
>> think it
>> > > will make much difference right now as there
>> > > is only the VGA output from the Proliant, and that is slow.
>> > >
>> > > for some reason it would not take the install of Ubuntu server, not
>> even
>> > > Ubuntu desktop, but Mate it did take,
>> > > now I just need to go in and remove all of the stuff I do not need to
>> > use,
>> > > and probably make it boot to a console
>> > > rather than a desktop.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 8:38 PM Tomas Kuchta <
>> > tomas.kuchta.lists at gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Chuck,
>> > >>
>> > >> I do not know much about ZoneMinder, but its video processing is done
>> > >> using
>> > >> ffmpeg.
>> > >>
>> > >> ffmpeg can be (is) accelerated using graphics card. I'd imagine that
>> you
>> > >> might not even need to compile your own to enable it.
>> > >>
>> > >> I would recommend checking that out.
>> > >>
>> > >> Tomas
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 12:46 Chuck Hast <wchast at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > If you use any variant of Ubuntu there is a setup script that you
>> run,
>> > >> it
>> > >> > gets a ZM system up and running, then
>> > >> > starts the good part, adding the cameras. I have a collection of
>> > >> different
>> > >> > ones so they are almost all different
>> > >> > but once setup it runs great.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > These newer H264 and H265 cameras do not take a lot of BW BUT they
>> > need
>> > >> > processor, I used to get away
>> > >> > with a run of the mill machine for the old jpg stream, but this not
>> > so.
>> > >> I
>> > >> > am trying to figure out if there is a way
>> > >> > to use a video card to offload the video processing and zone
>> > processing
>> > >> so
>> > >> > as not to load up the processors
>> > >> > so much. I have 8 cameras 2 are 5mp 4 of them are 1080p and two are
>> > >> 720p.
>> > >> > All told they keep the 380 G5
>> > >> > loaded at about 70%. The admin console is CLI as it is all done
>> over
>> > ssh
>> > >> > (for day to day admin) and web
>> > >> > browser (to change zoneminder params check a given stream or camera
>> > and
>> > >> for
>> > >> > the full diplay ZMNinja.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I have two PCI slots in the 380, I am wondering if I can use some
>> sort
>> > >> of
>> > >> > video card or other processor to
>> > >> > offload some of the video processing from the processors.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 11:30 PM elcaseti . <elcaseti at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > "I installed ZoneMinder, it was quite easy" Zoneminder is the
>> > best
>> > >> a/v
>> > >> > > security setup I know of, but I've never heard anyone refer to
>> > >> setting it
>> > >> > > up as easy. I hope to learn it someday.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:49 AM Chuck Hast <wchast at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > > Folks
>> > >> > > > I got the beast running, I really needed to do so as the UHD
>> > cameras
>> > >> > had
>> > >> > > > maxed out the I7 processor on my
>> > >> > > > original ZoneMinder box.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > A summary of what I did.
>> > >> > > > First I tried Ubuntu Server Live 18.04, it would not load
>> abending
>> > >> with
>> > >> > > > unable to find bnx2 drivers.
>> > >> > > > Then for grins I tied Ubuntu 18.04 desktop. It would run from
>> the
>> > >> > stick,
>> > >> > > > but once loaded it would freeze just
>> > >> > > > before the login screen.
>> > >> > > > I tried CentOS, it did about that same as Ubuntu Server Live.
>> It
>> > >> would
>> > >> > > > abend complaining about not seening
>> > >> > > > the hard disk.
>> > >> > > > So I had Mate 18.04 (that is what I run on everything else) so
>> I
>> > >> > figured
>> > >> > > > what is another 15 minutes. IT LOADED.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > At this point I have a system that is running so I installed
>> the
>> > >> LAMP
>> > >> > > > server bits and ran an install script for
>> > >> > > > ZoneMinder, added the first camera and got video. Now I have
>> all
>> > of
>> > >> > them
>> > >> > > > running and the average load on
>> > >> > > > the processors is about 40% Still a wee bit high but all of the
>> > >> temps
>> > >> > on
>> > >> > > > the processors are good and I am not
>> > >> > > > seeing any video getting dropped or other funnies I was seeing
>> > with
>> > >> the
>> > >> > > > older machine.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > The most impressive thing?? Shut it down and let it cool a bit
>> (or
>> > >> > > > something time out) and then fire it back up,
>> > >> > > > for about 30 seconds the fans run up to full throttle, sounds
>> > like a
>> > >> > > small
>> > >> > > > turbine, then it slowly throttles back to
>> > >> > > > whatever speed it needs to keep the insides cool. I guess the
>> > other
>> > >> > > issue
>> > >> > > > will be feeding the thing, but for now
>> > >> > > > it is doing the job I need it to do, capture 5mpxl data streams
>> > >> from my
>> > >> > > > cameras.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 10:04 PM Chuck Hast <wchast at gmail.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > > The weird thing is that the desktop version installs the bnx2
>> > >> module
>> > >> > > just
>> > >> > > > > fine and brings up the NIC cards,
>> > >> > > > > I get IP assignments for both of them. Indeed I have tried
>> both
>> > >> > Ubuntu
>> > >> > > > and
>> > >> > > > > Ubuntu Mate and both of them
>> > >> > > > > bring the NIC cards on line using the bnx2 driver.
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > I was looking at the server install info and supposedly I
>> should
>> > >> be
>> > >> > > able
>> > >> > > > > to proceed with the install and if I
>> > >> > > > > need more software install it later, but it will NOT allow
>> me to
>> > >> get
>> > >> > > past
>> > >> > > > > the network setup. So that is FUBAR'd.
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > Also I see the bnx2 module in there but for some reason it
>> does
>> > >> not
>> > >> > > > become
>> > >> > > > > active. Both NIC cards are labeled
>> > >> > > > > as disabled.
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > I will continue to plug at it until I get it fixed. It just
>> > >> appears
>> > >> > to
>> > >> > > be
>> > >> > > > > some sort of issue with the server install, who
>> > >> > > > > would want to run a desktop install on a box like that. It
>> > sounds
>> > >> > like
>> > >> > > a
>> > >> > > > > wind tunnel and it will keep the room warm
>> > >> > > > > so I will not need to run the heat in the winter time in this
>> > room
>> > >> > > (were
>> > >> > > > I
>> > >> > > > > to keep it here) These things are just big,
>> > >> > > > > but the make great DVR boxen for high res cameras on
>> Zoneminder.
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 3:31 AM wes <plug at the-wes.com> wrote:
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > >> When I have challenges like this, I often use a USB ethernet
>> > >> adapter
>> > >> > > > >> during
>> > >> > > > >> the install, which uses common enough hardware that drivers
>> are
>> > >> > always
>> > >> > > > >> found in the default kernel module set.
>> > >> > > > >>
>> > >> > > > >> -wes
>> > >> > > > >>
>> > >> > > > >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:42 PM Chuck Hast <wchast at gmail.com
>> >
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> > > > >>
>> > >> > > > >> > looked in the kernel.log and found the following error
>> > message
>> > >> > > > >> > bnx2 0000:05:00.0: Direct firmware load for
>> > >> > > > bnx2/bnx2-mips-06-6.2.3.fw
>> > >> > > > >> > failed with error -2
>> > >> > > > >> > bnx2 Can't load firmware file "
>> bnx2/bnx2-mips-06-6.2.3.fw"
>> > >> > > > >> >
>> > >> > > > >> > Then it appears to try and load it again and fails. But it
>> > >> works
>> > >> > in
>> > >> > > > the
>> > >> > > > >> > desktop version.
>> > >> > > > >> >
>> > >> > > > >> > It LOOKS like the bnx2 module is in there, but if you try
>> to
>> > >> > insmod
>> > >> > > > it,
>> > >> > > > >> the
>> > >> > > > >> > system comes back saying it doesn't
>> > >> > > > >> > exist, if you look back in /sys/modules it is no longer
>> > >> there. I
>> > >> > > also
>> > >> > > > >> got
>> > >> > > > >> > a pix of the system as it is setting up
>> > >> > > > >> > the second line above is what is flashed on the screen. I
>> am
>> > >> > trying
>> > >> > > to
>> > >> > > > >> > figure out how to work around this one.
>> > >> > > > >> > Not sure what is going on with Ubuntu Live Server,
>> > >> > > > >> >
>> > >> > > > >> >
>> > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:42 PM Chuck Hast <
>> wchast at gmail.com>
>> > >> > wrote:
>> > >> > > > >> >
>> > >> > > > >> > > The driver is bnx2, I think as Server is loading I see
>> > some
>> > >> red
>> > >> > > > lines
>> > >> > > > >> > > flash by with bnx2 in them so I bet that
>> > >> > > > >> > > either it is missing or not loading for some reason.
>> > >> > > > >> > >
>> > >> > > > >> > >
>> > >> > > > >> > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:25 PM Chuck Hast <
>> > wchast at gmail.com>
>> > >> > > wrote:
>> > >> > > > >> > >
>> > >> > > > >> > >> I think I may see the issue, it appears that the Live
>> > Server
>> > >> > > needs
>> > >> > > > >> to be
>> > >> > > > >> > >> able to pull down some software, It would
>> > >> > > > >> > >> appear that I am going to have to set up a static
>> > connection
>> > >> > (No
>> > >> > > > big
>> > >> > > > >> > deal
>> > >> > > > >> > >> but kind of hoky given that the DT
>> > >> > > > >> > >> version can find both NICs perfectly well.
>> > >> > > > >> > >>
>> > >> > > > >> > >> I also found that there is a way to use the Deb
>> installer
>> > >> > rather
>> > >> > > > than
>> > >> > > > >> > the
>> > >> > > > >> > >> Live server installer, that I much prefer,
>> > >> > > > >> > >> just have to see how to do it.
>> > >> > > > >> > >>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>
>> > >> > > > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:50 PM Chuck Hast <
>> > wchast at gmail.com
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > > wrote:
>> > >> > > > >> > >>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>> Had never used ethtool before, did the ethtool -h and
>> > got a
>> > >> > > whole
>> > >> > > > >> > >>> probably 3 screens of data. The first thing
>> > >> > > > >> > >>> it wants is the DEVNAME, so I did a ifconfig, and it
>> sees
>> > >> > > nothing,
>> > >> > > > >> only
>> > >> > > > >> > >>> the loop back.
>> > >> > > > >> > >>> This is under Ubuntu server...
>> > >> > > > >> > >>> Now to try the desktop version that appears to find
>> the
>> > NIC
>> > >> > > ports
>> > >> > > > >> just
>> > >> > > > >> > >>> fine.
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 6:19 PM <alan at clueserver.org>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > Folks,
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > I did this many moons ago when I lived in Kalama
>> and
>> > >> worked
>> > >> > > at
>> > >> > > > >> the
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> glass
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > plant.
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > They had some spare ProLiant servers in a rack
>> doing
>> > >> > nothing,
>> > >> > > > >> they
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> wanted
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > cameras, so I gave them cameras. I installed ubuntu
>> > >> server
>> > >> > on
>> > >> > > > one
>> > >> > > > >> > and
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> then
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > I installed ZoneMinder, it was quite easy and that
>> > >> server
>> > >> > did
>> > >> > > > not
>> > >> > > > >> > even
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > know
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > it was
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > working.
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> >
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > I am trying to do the same thing again, I have a
>> HP
>> > >> > ProLiant
>> > >> > > > >> DL380
>> > >> > > > >> > G5
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > which
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > I am trying to install Ubuntu server on but when I
>> get
>> > >> to
>> > >> > the
>> > >> > > > NIC
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> setup it
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > says
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > DHCPv4 has supplied no addresses, I go in and make
>> > sure
>> > >> > that
>> > >> > > > >> DHCP is
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > selected
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > but no joy. Never had that problem before.
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> >
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > I saw one person on line who had a similar problem,
>> > this
>> > >> > > person
>> > >> > > > >> had
>> > >> > > > >> > a
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> URL
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > that
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > took you to a different version of Ubuntu server,
>> but
>> > >> the
>> > >> > > file
>> > >> > > > >> would
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> not
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > read.
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> >
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > If I load in the regular desktop version it does
>> see
>> > the
>> > >> > NIC
>> > >> > > > >> cards
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> and it
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > obtains addresses
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > for both ports (I plug them both into active
>> networks)
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> >
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > Any idea of what I am fighting here? Why does the
>> > server
>> > >> > > > version
>> > >> > > > >> not
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> take
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > the NIC
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> > cards but the desktop does?
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> ethtool will tell you what kernel module is used.
>> See if
>> > >> it
>> > >> > is
>> > >> > > > >> loading
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> in
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> both versions.
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> ---
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> Q: Why do programmers confuse Halloween and
>> Christmas?
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> A: Because OCT 31 == DEC 25.
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> _______________________________________________
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> PLUG mailing list
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> PLUG at pdxlinux.org
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>> --
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>> Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT --
>> > >> > > > >> > >>> I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth
>> > me.
>> > >> > > > >> > >>> Ph 4:13 KJV
>> > >> > > > >> > >>> Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
>> > >> > > > >> > >>> Fil 4:13 RVR1960
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>
>> > >> > > > >> > >> --
>> > >> > > > >> > >>
>> > >> > > > >> > >> Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT --
>> > >> > > > >> > >> I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth
>> me.
>> > >> > > > >> > >> Ph 4:13 KJV
>> > >> > > > >> > >> Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
>> > >> > > > >> > >> Fil 4:13 RVR1960
>> > >> > > > >> > >>
>> > >> > > > >> > >>
>> > >> > > > >> > >
>> > >> > > > >> > > --
>> > >> > > > >> > >
>> > >> > > > >> > > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT --
>> > >> > > > >> > > I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth
>> me.
>> > >> > > > >> > > Ph 4:13 KJV
>> > >> > > > >> > > Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
>> > >> > > > >> > > Fil 4:13 RVR1960
>> > >> > > > >> > >
>> > >> > > > >> > >
>> > >> > > > >> >
>> > >> > > > >> > --
>> > >> > > > >> >
>> > >> > > > >> > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT --
>> > >> > > > >> > I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
>> > >> > > > >> > Ph 4:13 KJV
>> > >> > > > >> > Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
>> > >> > > > >> > Fil 4:13 RVR1960
>> > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________
>> > >> > > > >> > PLUG mailing list
>> > >> > > > >> > PLUG at pdxlinux.org
>> > >> > > > >> > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> > >> > > > >> >
>> > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> > > > >> PLUG mailing list
>> > >> > > > >> PLUG at pdxlinux.org
>> > >> > > > >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> > >> > > > >>
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > --
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT --
>> > >> > > > > I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
>> > >> > > > > Ph 4:13 KJV
>> > >> > > > > Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
>> > >> > > > > Fil 4:13 RVR1960
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > --
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT --
>> > >> > > > I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
>> > >> > > > Ph 4:13 KJV
>> > >> > > > Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
>> > >> > > > Fil 4:13 RVR1960
>> > >> > > > _______________________________________________
>> > >> > > > PLUG mailing list
>> > >> > > > PLUG at pdxlinux.org
>> > >> > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > _______________________________________________
>> > >> > > PLUG mailing list
>> > >> > > PLUG at pdxlinux.org
>> > >> > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> > >> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT --
>> > >> > I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
>> > >> > Ph 4:13 KJV
>> > >> > Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
>> > >> > Fil 4:13 RVR1960
>> > >> > _______________________________________________
>> > >> > PLUG mailing list
>> > >> > PLUG at pdxlinux.org
>> > >> > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> > >> >
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> PLUG mailing list
>> > >> PLUG at pdxlinux.org
>> > >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT --
>> > > I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
>> > > Ph 4:13 KJV
>> > > Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
>> > > Fil 4:13 RVR1960
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT --
>> > I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
>> > Ph 4:13 KJV
>> > Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
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> Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT --
> I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
> Ph 4:13 KJV
> Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
> Fil 4:13 RVR1960
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Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT --
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Ph 4:13 KJV
Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
Fil 4:13 RVR1960
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