[PLUG] gnome2-like behavior from gnome3?

[Tomas Kuchta]

I am no particular fan of default Gnome 3, any gnome for that matter, but
calling it completely broken seems to me as pretty strong statement.

Personal bias in taste is fine, we all like different clothes, drinks,
food, etc. Calling some other choice absolutely broken and mixing GUI with
init system, ... Why? World will not fall apart if some people just use
Ubuntu as it is.

Many manage to use default Gnome 3 just fine, I do not see anything really
broken with it. It works OK, especially on high DPI screens. Sure it looks
different than other 90's/00's MS windows inspired GUIs, ... yes, things do
change and that should be OK.

Same goes for systemd, it is not perfect, but it works just fine for many.
It is probably meaningfully better than the old init scripts anyway. I know
the survival, self sufficiency, modularity and other opinions. Still, it is
not that bad things will change again in some future time.

Just my 2¢
-T


On Wed, Dec 25, 2019, 23:29 Tom <tgrom.automail at nuegia.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 14:54:25 -0800
> Keith Lofstrom <keithl at kl-ic.com> wrote:
>
> > My first encounter with gnome3 was disturbing - way too
> > much eye candy and gesture dependence and memory footprint.
> > So, I stayed with older gnome2-using distros, but support
> > for those is vanishing.
> >
> > I plan to use gnome2-emulating Mate with newer distros
> > (specifically, from Scientific Linux 6 to S.L.7, then to
> > CentOS 8 someday).
> >
> > However, I vaguely recall being told that gnome3 can be
> > configured to behave very much like gnome2.
> >
> > Is this true?  WHERE CAN I LEARN MORE????
> >
> > If gnome3 is indeed capable of this miraculous compatibility,
> > how much larger is the memory footprint and CPU usage?
> >
> > I plan to keep using my older Thinkpad laptops with full
> > height screens and real keyboards, but those are limited
> > to 4 GB RAM and 8-year-old lower-speed CPUs.
> >
> > If gnome2-configured gnome3 is too bloated (and when has
> > software ever become smaller and more efficient?), I'll
> > stick with Mate, stone knives, and bearskins.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > PS:  I am very very NOT interested in learning how to use
> > /your/ personal favorite alternative distro.  I am having
> > trouble enough remembering how to use the distro family
> > I've been using for decades, much less cope with SystemD.
> > I'd rather spend my time learning about cosmology.
> >
>
> Try XFCE 4.12, LXDE, or IceWM. Give Devuan ASCII
> https://devuan.org a try in a virtual machine which comes with XFCE4.12
> by default and no systemd. At least just to try it out so you know
> what you'd be targeting if you went down that route. I'd advise staying
> away from anything GTK3 based as themes are still absolutely broken
>
> https://linuxreviews.org/GNOME_Developers_have_Made_Their_Moves_against_Themes
> and the overall toolkit is still largely unpolished, with various
> usability bugs like scroll bars not showing up properly and forced
> animations, increased system footprint, and less portability between
> systems. Compound this with the fact the GNOME developers don't seem to
> care about polishing their releases and are instead working on GTK4
> when GTK3 is still a broken mess. The GNOME developers also seem to
> have a complete disregard for any desktop programs and environments
> that are not GNOME3.
>
> There are lots of good libraries for developing gtk2 like perl-gtk2 on
> CPAN and wxglade.
>
> There's also QT which is serviceable but it's largely a C++ codebase
> and while pretty good still seems like a mild step down from gtk2. Not
> as much as GTK3.
>
> I think it's important to note that gtk+2 is called the Gimp toolkit
> and GTK3 is called the GNOME toolkit. Where, If your not running GNOME3
> or like GNOME3's ideals your in for a bad time.
>
> I have spent a great deal of time on finding myself a good solution to
> this problem over years and have settled on forking and maintaining
> myself various standalone gtk2 and QT components to have a complete
> desktop environment which I use as a daily driver. I would be more than
> happy to share any software and recommendations I have running. I've
> got my entire system up and running smooth on GCC9 and glibc 2.29-r3 as
> well as the Devuan base system.
>
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