[PLUG] FYI - ROSEBURG , Oregon HAS FIBER IN ~50% OF COUNTY PER

[Ben Koenig]

Rich explained it in nicer terms, but honestly.

Mike, grow the fuck up.
internet access is how we communicate. You even sit there with an email
client, talking about how *bad technology is*. Do you even realize how much
hypocrisy you just regurgitated onto the internet?

If you really feel that way, then stop using your computer. Honestly.

And don't pull that shit in front of Linux users. The ONLY way to take
responsibilty for your OS is to download the source code. And you think we
don't need fast internet?

It's ok, I don't need reliable and consistent access to my source code repo
for openssl. Someone else can compile SSL encryption for me. The encryption
is sure, they promised ;-)

You act like someone who has assistants managing your security updates so
that YOU don't have to care.

Have you ever run apt-get update?
Have you ever downloaded an OS?
Have you ever taken responsibility for your Digital success, or failure?
Have you ever used a computer?

or are you just another one of those russian/chinese/iranian trolls that
pose as American citizens?

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 1:36 PM Ben Koenig <techkoenig at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 12:28 PM Mike C. <mconnors1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "If Roseburg can do it , Portland should have accomplished this too!
>> The
>> only thing affecting this lack of Fiber in PDX is  entrenched interests -
>> "
>>
>> I'll entertain this a bit as I think about it a lot. As I suspect you
>> well know, rarely is anything that simple. Over the years, through a
>> lot of social justice activism and volunteer work I've gotten to know
>> a lot of non-tech, every day, common people.
>>
>> Most of them just want to be able to use the internet when they need
>> to and don't think about things like bandwidth price, security,
>> infrastructure, etc. My point is there's not a real public driver.
>> People are concerned with all sorts of other issues like jobs, money,
>> housing, healthcare, climate change, etc.
>>
>> Necessity is the mother of invention. There are countries who are
>> farther behind the U.S. in industry and economic power that have fiber
>> run all over their land that provides high-speed internet to almost
>> everyone. They didn't have existing infrastructure to deal with and
>> the time was right for them to do it.
>>
>> The state of the internet in PDX frustrates me too but there are a lot
>> of other things happening in Portland and in the greater PNW that I'm
>> much more concerned about.
>>
>> Maybe I'm just an aged out techie turned hippy but I often think that
>> high speed internet & technology does way more damage to humanity,
>> civilization and our shared life support system and doesn't really
>> deliver all the good that it promises and people willing shell out
>> lots of their hard earned cash for.
>>
>
>
> What the Fuck?
>
> Have you ever downloaded a Linux OS?
> Do people just hand you pre-burnt install DVD's?
>
> You act like someone who has never touched a Linux system in his life.
> Your ignorance is matched only by your arrogance.
>
>
>