[PLUG] TLDR++, a tool to search, study, and practice Linux commands on the fly...

[Ben Koenig]

On the subject of man pages, you can't replace actually sitting down and
writing a manual. A lot of programs have bad manpages, but a lot have very
excellent manpages, so trying to create an entirely new program is
completely redundant from the start. It doesn't address the actual problem.

As for github, MS owns github now. Where the servers are physically hosted
means little, its a matter of ownership. It's not at all unusual for a
company to contract with a third party for server hosting, I'm sure MS does
as well. Either way, it's not a BYOC type of service.

Events of the last few years have forced me to take a more strict approach
to my web of trust. So when someone brags about their new idea and links to
a github repo, my first instinct is to reject it.
It's a shame. If people weren't so obsessed with pushing their monolithic
crap then I might be more interested in something like this.

There's no harm in taking a fresh look at educating new users, but the
community has been ripping itself apart and github is right there on the
jagged line. I no longer trust it.

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 5:27 PM Tyrell Jentink <tyrell at jentink.net> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 13:24 Mike C. <mconnors1 at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Firstly, it's considered "bad form" to share something you haven't tried
> and don't provide any real useful information or feedback on.
>
>
> OK, I'm sorry for not having tried it first... My mistake was in treating
> this group like a Reddit group, I apologise.
>
> I probably should let this drop as an embarrassing social protocol
> failure... But I'm not good at letting things drop...
>
> When I was studying for my RHCSA, the book I was studying from spent a
> significant amount of energy and repetition harping on the value of man
> pages and the 'apropos' tool; Basically, Red Hat is happy if you know how
> to find the tools you need, given only what comes on a default Red Hat
> install; They don't particularly care for you to memorize every command,
> utility, and every option available in the base repository...
>
> 'man' and 'apropos' are good tools, because they are available on a  base
> install... So maybe they are enough... But maybe someone on this list would
> find value in a third repository of information... I have spent many years
> around Linux, and hadn't heard of this, so if I found it interesting, maybe
> others will too?
>
> To that end, tldr-pages led me to discovering various related projects,
> listed here: https://github.com/tldr-pages/tldr/blob/master/README.md
>
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 11:54 Ben Koenig <techkoenig at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Given that TLDR is hosted on Microsoft servers, why should I use it?
>
>
> Is this true?
>
> I mean, it's an open collaboration project, with the tldr-pages created by
> users, with many of the clients published on GitHub, and there isn't a
> whole lot of talk about where the servers are hosted... I mean, as
> aforementioned, I'm new, so I suppose there is a great deal I don't know...
>
> In addition, it is written in golang. Again, Google makes a competing
> platform that (while based on linux) prevents mainline linux from running
> on certain devices.
>
>
> I don't sit around conspiring about the failure of my enemies... Maybe I
> just don't think I have real enemies... Is computing == warfare now?
>
> However, there are clients written in other languages (Some of which are
> listed on the Related Projects link above), yes this one is GoLang, but if
> you don't like that language, others exist... Further, there are web
> clients on sites that I consider reputable, like DistroWatch,
> https://distrowatch.com/dwres-mobile.php?resource=man-pages, and while
> that
> doesn't speak one way or the other to your accusations, I suppose it speaks
> to my priorities...
>
> > As a LINUX user, should I trust documenation made possible by competing
> > > platforms?
> >
>
> I suppose that's the nature of the debate that led to Git, isn't it... I
> suppose I ultimately agree with Linus Torvolds on that one: If a tool is
> good for you, use it.
>
> --
> Tyrell Jentink
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