[PLUG] Power Conditioner

Fri Sep 25 15:04:24 UTC 2020

Ben Koenig,
Sorry to ask, but you wrote "The obvious racism coming from our 
current president" which introduced politics to this discussion.

Please give some actual examples of this, as there are a lot of false 
accusations in the political world.
Please note that Trump has a number of minorities in his inner 
circle, received an award given by Jessie Jackson and his policies 
gave the lowest minority un-employment on record.

Of course, it is well known that Biden opposed school busing and was 
a leader in the 1990s crime bill that jailed many blacks for minor 
drug offenses.

Thanks
JK

At 07:49 AM 9/25/2020, Ben Koenig wrote:
>There is a difference between chinese-made and chinese-DESIGNED.
>
>
>Its a known fact that some chinese companys exist to create low quality
>knock-offs of name brand products in several different industries.
>
>This is a nuance that often gets glossed over in casual conversation and
>affects everything from computers to childrens' toys.
>
>
>I also reject the idea that simply labeling a thing as "chinese" in a
>negative connotation is racist. These days it takes very little effort to
>find reliable information concerning human rights violations in that
>specific country.
>
>
>China needs to be held accountable for the damage they are doing to their
>citizens, trade partners, and the environment. When talking about facts we
>can call these "chinese problems" because thats exactly what they are.
>
>
>The obvious racism coming from our current president is an "american
>problem" and should not be used to justify genocide in China.
>
>
>China is locking Muslims up in concentration camps. While the US is
>fighting for the lives of black and colored people China decided to go full
>Nazi. Its a literal holocaust complete with forced labor camps and
>malformed scientific propoganda.
>
>
>What kind of asshole says we should soften our tone towards Religious
>GENOCIDE. You must have missed the WW2 memo because this isn't the first
>time the world has seen this.
>
>
>Because everyone has an opinion,
>-Ben
>
>On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 11:11 PM Chuck Hast <wchast at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Tomas,
> > My experience with switching power supplies has been that if they
> > are noise makers they are Chinese made. I used  to install a lot of
> > Electronic asset control systems (anti-shoplifting)  ; most of these
> > devices work in the region of around 60 khz. Back when the gas
> > discharge, fluorescent and halogen lamps were king in the retail
> > business (lighting in stores) the noisy units were always Chinese
> > made, 100% That is not to say that they do not produce low noise
> > units, they do but most of what we ran into even high cost units
> > had not filtering in the input stage to the switcher. So you have
> > 60Hz hitting a diode now you have 60 Hz pulses going into a
> > switcher switching at around 20 Khz, again very little filtering, What
> > is the strongest harmonic in any nonlinear system?  The 3rd, where
> > did it fall?? about 60Khz (20X3) with side bands every 180hz above
> > and below the center frequency of the 3rd harmonic out a couple of
> > Khz each side of the harmonic. If they had just added a FEW capacitors
> > most of this would not have been an issue. So this noisy hamonic
> > fell right in the passband of the receivers. These things were not
> > German (they made them) Italian (they to) nor other sources, they
> > were Chinese. Sorry if the truth hurts that is the way it is. I have
> > power supplies here at the house some of the switchers are very
> > raw, when I find them I go in and add a cap or inductor and get rid
> > of it.
> >
> > Now with the LED lighting they have cleaned up their act to a certain
> > extent but many of them are still lacking. This is my experience with
> > these devices.
> >
> > Now laser diodes is another story... They do a good job on those. I
> > have quite a few diode lasers and that is where they come from, in
> > that case the vendors have taken the time to produce a good product
> > for the price. Anytime I can pay $40 for a diode that will burn a hole
> > in a sheetrock wall, I am happy with that diode. When I can get a diode
> > that will last thousands of hours and put in a cielometer and never see
> > the thing again I am happy. And these are all Chinese diodes, so the
> > street runs both ways.
> >
> > That is my Heinz 57 varieties view of things. Sorry if I am blunt but I
> > try to tell what I have found I gave you two of my experiences one bad
> > one good. Both from the same source area.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 12:01 AM <tomas.kuchta.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 2020-09-24 at 21:04 -0500, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > none of the others. Computer PSU's can be noisy also as can any
> > > > (Chinese) switching power supply.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I wonder, without any desire or starting political flame wars, what has
> > > "Chinese" to do with any of this stuff?
> > >
> > > Are there any other power supplies other than the ones Made in China on
> > > normal market? I cannot remember the last time I saw not Made in China
> > > ATX/server power supply in retail or enterprise. I guess ASUS, FoxCon,
> > > .... and other Taiwanese OEMs started as successful switching power
> > > supply manufactures in the 80s, they were not "Chinese", but by the end
> > > of 90s it is all Made in China AFAIK - so - what are you comparing
> > > those Chinese power supply with?
> > >
> > > I do not believe that you meant to spark a pogrom, riot or something
> > > ... - Still - Do we really need more of this kind of messaging,
> > > especially these days.
> > >
> > > Just saying ...
> > >
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> > Chuck Hast  -- KP4DJT --
> > I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
> > Ph 4:13 KJV
> > Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
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