[PLUG] Fire the umn.edu IRB?

[alan at clueserver.org]

> On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 5:21 AM Ben Koenig <techkoenig at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 6:53 PM Russell Senior <russell at personaltelco.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I would note that there is a question mark at the end of the subject
>> > line and not an exclamation mark. I think there is enough evidence for
>> > me to conclude the IRB made a mistake in deciding there were no human
>> > subjects to consider, even if there is some narrow rule that allowed
>> > them to exempt the project. I don't know any of the mechanics of why
>> > that mistake was made.
>> >
>>
>> That is exactly why I called this out as Cancel Culture.
>>
>> Its not about being right or wrong, its about Due Process and the way in
>> which we learn from our mistakes.
>>
>> You are moving from accusation to execution without considering any
>> motive
>> or the real cause of the problem. Whether or not you are correct is
>> irrelevant.
>
> I understand you are bored and want to argue, but this is wrong. I do
> know a little about IRB's and what their job is. I have no role in
> executing anyone. The primary reason I posted this was that it was a
> pretty important news item that I thought the PLUG community would
> want to hear about (not least because the malicious patches involved
> might be in a kernel we are running). The subject line was an
> editorial comment on my part about how egregious a mistake I thought
> it was, regardless of the specific mechanics or motives. You are free
> to agree or disagree, with approximately equal impact as me
> (unmeasurably small) on whether the IRB is fired or changes their
> processes or continues without change.

This should be moved over to PLUG-Talk.

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