[PLUG] Jitsi meeting password

Russell Senior russell at personaltelco.net
Sat Feb 6 04:19:41 UTC 2021


This seems like a good time to remind everyone of the Robustness Principle:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 12:25 PM Michael Dexter <dexter at pdxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> Rich, Please don't say whatever you said to Ben.
>
> Ben, please engage in context on the call, calling him, myself, or
> anyone else out. After the fact is less helpful every minute that passes.
>
> Otherwise, it is off-topic and no one has time here to litigate it.
>
> My sincere apologies for anyone whose feeling were here while engaging
> with PLUG but this back and forth ends here. Call me out when I am out
> of line but I will have zero patience for a pissing match that should
> have been quickly resolved in context.
>
> You are free to set these rules if you are willing to step up and
> organize the group for a decade or two.
>
> 100% of your PLUG membership dues will be refunded upon request.
>
> Michael Dexter
> PLUG Volunteer
>
> On 2/5/21 12:08 PM, Ben Koenig wrote:
> > Wow, ok. You engage me and then just push it away to a different list?
> > WTF is this arrogant bullshit?
> >
> >
> > I really do deserve an apology for the crap you and Rich both pulled,
> > but I don't expect either of you to do the right thing. I'm also not
> > gonna try bring this up with a list "moderator" since that's pretty much
> > you. So if you don't like my attitude just shut up and use the ban hammer.
> >
> >
> > Nobody likes having their words twisted so just apologize, shut up, and
> > move the fuck on. And don't expect me to gush empathy for your pandemic
> > problems. 7.5 billion people are dealing with it so fuck off dude.
> >
> > -Ben
> >
> >
> > On 2/5/21 11:19 AM, Michael Dexter wrote:
> >
> >> Ben,
> >>
> >> PLUG is a venue for free software and open source discussions.
> >>
> >> Take it to the plug-talk is or elsewhere outside of PLUG.
> >>
> >> Michael Dexter
> >> PLUG Volunteer
> >>
> >> On 2/5/21 11:09 AM, Ben Koenig wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 2/5/21 10:41 AM, Michael Dexter wrote:
> >>>> On 2/5/21 10:22 AM, Ben Koenig wrote:
> >>>>> Failure to teach basic linguistic skills will ultimately result in
> >>>>> adults who routinely fail to understand simple statements. Not only
> >>>>> am I struggling to properly convey my thoughts, you are struggling
> >>>>> to properly understand the message as it was written. Imagine the
> >>>>> chaos 20 years from now when the children of today's Zoom classes
> >>>>> start taking on real responsibility.
> >>>>
> >>>> If I read this correctly, you are saying that a number of attendees
> >>>> are struggling with basic comprehension, attendees, who, in my case,
> >>>> have had 8 hours of online events in 24 hours while juggling a job
> >>>> and the needs of a family of five during a pandemic.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do I have that right?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No, that is not a correct. You actually ignored several important
> >>> details and added the idea that I am judging you, personally. This is
> >>> simply not the case and if you want to understand more.. read on...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Based solely on the single paragraph you pulled from my email, I can
> >>> see why you would come to such a conclusion. In a sense, you made the
> >>> same mistake Rich did earlier. Take a single piece from a larger
> >>> message and extrapolate to form a completely new and unintended
> >>> meaning. This often involves adding whatever you personally are
> >>> feeling at the time into the mix even if the statement had nothing to
> >>> do with you.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Which it did not. Who was Ben replying to? Where in his email was
> >>> Michael mentioned? At what point did Ben refer to any PLUG users
> >>> specifically?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It's kind of amusing to note that in the paragraph you quoted, I use
> >>> the term "you are struggling..." Based on the text as it shows in my
> >>> email client it appears that a user by the name of "Ben Koenig" made
> >>> that statement in reply to a user named "Michael Dexter". However, if
> >>> you go back to the original email you will notice that "Ben Koenig"
> >>> was actually replying to "Rich Shepard".
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So if Ben is referring to Rich, why is Michael taking it personally?
> >>> Rich is the only person who has any reason to take this personally.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Also in that same paragraph, did Michael notice that Ben admitted
> >>> that Ben sometimes struggles to properly convey his thoughts?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm really not trying to be mean here. I just think it's fascinating
> >>> how quickly a conversation can fall apart and if I'm gonna be totally
> >>> honest here.. I'm kind of annoyed that the emails I write are
> >>> repeatedly twisted to mean things that I didn't actually write. I
> >>> also admit that such scenarios amuse the hell of out me so I tend to
> >>> poke the bear.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So relax.. and if you read all the way down to the bottom of this
> >>> email before replying, congratulations!
> >>>
> >>> -Ben
> >>>
> >>>
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