[PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

[Ben Koenig]

On Tue, May 25, 2021, 4:42 PM Jason Barbier <jason at corrupted.io> wrote:

> On Tue, May 25, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
> > Some of this can be easily tested/bisected by user simply by creating new
> > account in different domain without reputation, but the same
> infrastructure.
> >
> > Cloud services are great way of doing this.
> >
> except they really are not due to they way most IP reputation schemes
> work. You can be low rep because your IP was called a spammer, or hasn't
> sent a high enough volume of ham to be considered good. It's hard to test
> reputation and harder to fix it unless you have ties with various services.
> But in most cases DKIM failures are a red herring, like for me as an
> example, my fastmail and gmail served domains show plug failing dkim but
> pass the spam bar and end up in my mailbox. so it could be plug, it could
> be your domain, it could be your provider.
>
> > No need to be messing up with whole list.
> >
> > Doing nothing will inevitably lead to lack of response/stimulus and
> > eventual abandonment of the list by affected individual, I'd think.
> >
> > My 2 c, -T
> You're not entirely wrong and it's probably why we have seen a decline in
> the use of email and mailing lists over all.
>
>
> ---
> GPG: https://corrupted.io/kusuriya.pub



Do we know if there are specific services that block these emails? The way
gmail marks it is sketchy because its marked as both secure AND not secure.
How many services are marking him as spam?

Im going to subscribe to plug with my protonmail account and see how it
handles emails from Tom and Cathy.

-Ben



> On Tue, May 25, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
> > Some of this can be easily tested/bisected by user simply by creating new
> > account in different domain without reputation, but the same
> infrastructure.
> >
> > Cloud services are great way of doing this.
> >
> > No need to be messing up with whole list.
> >
> > Doing nothing will inevitably lead to lack of response/stimulus and
> > eventual abandonment of the list by affected individual, I'd think.
> >
> > My 2 c, -T
> >
> > On Tue, May 25, 2021, 19:20 Jason Barbier <jason at corrupted.io> wrote:
> >
> > > most likely, I know for the FreeBSD one DKIM is set up for soft fails
> > > which could be it, it could also be IP reputation also. Email spam
> > > mitigation is a mysterious box that is hard to troubleshoot
> > >
> > > ---
> > > GPG: https://corrupted.io/kusuriya.pub
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 25, 2021, at 3:33 PM, Tom wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 24 May 2021 15:45:06 -0700
> > > > "Jason Barbier" <jason at corrupted.io> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > you are part right, the modification of the message body would
> cause
> > > > > DKIM failures if you authorized the plug mail servers to send as
> your
> > > > > domain. Due to the way most mail list software works DKIM will
> never
> > > > > pass. for list messages
> > > >
> > > > Why is it do you think that I don't have any such problem on the
> > > > FreeBSD, Gentoo, NetworkUPStools, Prosody, Tails and Gemini mailing
> > > > lists? Do they have their setup a certain way?
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