From jander at backfist.com Tue Jul 4 02:16:39 2017 From: jander at backfist.com (Jerry Anderson) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 19:16:39 -0700 Subject: [PLUG-JOBS] unsubscribe Message-ID: <000f01d2f46b$935cdba0$ba1692e0$@backfist.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at robinson-west.com Wed Jul 5 00:22:21 2017 From: michael at robinson-west.com (Michael Christopher Robinson) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 17:22:21 -0700 Subject: [PLUG-JOBS] Not enough experience. Message-ID: <1499214141.14567.1.camel@robinson-west.com> The software developer market in Portland doesn't appear to have any need for junior level programmers. I constantly find jobs for senior level people on indeed and beyond and nothing for someone with 0 years of experience. I see people are coming to Oregon with experience and effectively wiping out the entry level completely. Short of having had internships during college, how am I supposed to compete? A degree is not experience, it's a lot of theory that has to be applied and polished in an actual job. I have experience maintaining a network on my own, but it is hard to quantify where I'm at. I'm pursuing an LPI level 2 certificate now and have an LPI level 1 administrator credential. I'm curious if anyone talented out there is facing the same can't get past the lack of experience problem that I'm facing? and if they would like to join me to open a shop in Portland that builds and supports Linux based desktop systems for people? To be successful,?I need a computer engineer that can do hardware selection and physical builds. I want to specialize on the software side. There are a few companies elsewhere that do Linux laptops and desktops, but they are elsewhere. I want to open an actual shop here in Portland. Maybe hosting is something the shop can do as well. Thankfully, some recruiters are interested in me. Sadly, I can't produce experience out of thin air. I have a lot of talent, but I need hands on experience. I need a good partner one that does hardware with a? speciality in Linux compatability. What I'm proposing instead of continuing to look for a job is to start a business and find a? partner. I understand that there are venture capital firms in Portland. Anyone interested? -- Michael C. Robinson From rm.riches at jacob21819.net Wed Jul 5 00:59:13 2017 From: rm.riches at jacob21819.net (Robert M. Riches Jr.) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 17:59:13 -0700 Subject: [PLUG-JOBS] Not enough experience. In-Reply-To: <1499214141.14567.1.camel@robinson-west.com> References: <1499214141.14567.1.camel@robinson-west.com> Message-ID: <20170705005913.E9333E3206@one.localnet> Michael, here are a couple of ideas: Contracting and temporary jobs often require less experience than "permanent" jobs and can be useful to build up an experience base on a resume. Some companies (such as a large semiconductor company with facilities in Hillsboro and Aloha) hire Recent College Graduates. At times, there have been more RCG openings than experienced openings. If you are an Under Represented Minority, make sure that is evident in your application and (if possible) on your resume. (Disclaimer: The preceding is my personal view and not necessarily that of my employer.) Network. Many jobs are filled by referral rather than the HR pipeline. WorkSource Oregon has a group that meets at the PCC facility near 185th and Baseline. Also, build as large a professional network on LinkedIn as you can. Register with WorkSource Oregon and take their seminars on resume writing, interviewing, and such. Best of luck. Robert > From: Michael Christopher Robinson > To: plug-jobs at lists.pdxlinux.org > Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 17:22:21 -0700 > Sender: plug-jobs-bounces at lists.pdxlinux.org > > The software developer market in Portland doesn't appear to have any > need for junior level programmers. I constantly find jobs for senior > level people on indeed and beyond and nothing for someone with 0 years > of experience. I see people are coming to Oregon with experience and > effectively wiping out the entry level completely. Short of having had > internships during college, how am I supposed to compete? A degree is > not experience, it's a lot of theory that has to be applied and > polished in an actual job. I have experience maintaining a network > on my own, but it is hard to quantify where I'm at. I'm pursuing an > LPI level 2 certificate now and have an LPI level 1 administrator > credential. I'm curious if anyone talented out there is facing the > same can't get past the lack of experience problem that I'm facing? > and if they would like to join me to open a shop in Portland that > builds and supports Linux based desktop systems for people? To be > successful,?I need a computer engineer that can do hardware selection > and physical builds. I want to specialize on the software side. There > are a few companies elsewhere that do Linux laptops and desktops, but > they are elsewhere. I want to open an actual shop here in Portland. > Maybe hosting is something the shop can do as well. Thankfully, some > recruiters are interested in me. Sadly, I can't produce experience > out of thin air. I have a lot of talent, but I need hands on > experience. I need a good partner one that does hardware with a? > speciality in Linux compatability. What I'm proposing instead of > continuing to look for a job is to start a business and find a? > partner. I understand that there are venture capital firms in > Portland. Anyone interested? > > -- Michael C. Robinson From pcleddy at gmail.com Wed Jul 5 02:10:36 2017 From: pcleddy at gmail.com (Paul Charles Leddy) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 19:10:36 -0700 Subject: [PLUG-JOBS] Not enough experience. In-Reply-To: <20170705005913.E9333E3206@one.localnet> References: <1499214141.14567.1.camel@robinson-west.com> <20170705005913.E9333E3206@one.localnet> Message-ID: Operations is in a massive die-off, moving to the AWS Cloud. And containerization will kill most of the rest. Extinction. Only software developers and a very, very few "SREs" will remain. Get a job now in a solid company if you want to be in operations. Good luck though. Unless you can find companies that don't move very fast, and still have some hardware around, doubt it. Code school might work if you have the time and a few thousand dollars. I know a couple guys that seemed to manage, but don't know how much previous experience they had. Ended up remote at a company in Pasadena, California. Learn: Node.js, Python, HTML, CSS, Angular/ReactOS/Vue.js. BTW, Portland sucks for tech jobs. I moved there and interviewed for some positions, but it was all goofy CS algorithm stuff, they don't care how much you know or how much code you've written, they being software developers, the only ones left standing. One company I was overqualified for sat on the open position for half a year for little reason that I can see, keeping Portland weird, I guess. Name's Finity. Think about the psycho Bay Area instead. Make over 135/yr though if you don't want to sleep in a closet and have 5 roommates. I've been in quite a few situations that were 30% Indian. Apple is flooded with them in engineering, over 74%. It's really incredible. Or move to Montana and become a physics teacher. Keep America great. On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Robert M. Riches Jr. < rm.riches at jacob21819.net> wrote: > Michael, here are a couple of ideas: > > Contracting and temporary jobs often require less experience > than "permanent" jobs and can be useful to build up an > experience base on a resume. > > Some companies (such as a large semiconductor company with > facilities in Hillsboro and Aloha) hire Recent College > Graduates. At times, there have been more RCG openings than > experienced openings. If you are an Under Represented Minority, > make sure that is evident in your application and (if possible) > on your resume. (Disclaimer: The preceding is my personal view > and not necessarily that of my employer.) > > Network. Many jobs are filled by referral rather than the HR > pipeline. WorkSource Oregon has a group that meets at the > PCC facility near 185th and Baseline. Also, build as large a > professional network on LinkedIn as you can. > > Register with WorkSource Oregon and take their seminars on > resume writing, interviewing, and such. > > Best of luck. > > Robert > > > > > From: Michael Christopher Robinson > > To: plug-jobs at lists.pdxlinux.org > > Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 17:22:21 -0700 > > Sender: plug-jobs-bounces at lists.pdxlinux.org > > > > The software developer market in Portland doesn't appear to have any > > need for junior level programmers. I constantly find jobs for senior > > level people on indeed and beyond and nothing for someone with 0 years > > of experience. I see people are coming to Oregon with experience and > > effectively wiping out the entry level completely. Short of having had > > internships during college, how am I supposed to compete? A degree is > > not experience, it's a lot of theory that has to be applied and > > polished in an actual job. I have experience maintaining a network > > on my own, but it is hard to quantify where I'm at. I'm pursuing an > > LPI level 2 certificate now and have an LPI level 1 administrator > > credential. I'm curious if anyone talented out there is facing the > > same can't get past the lack of experience problem that I'm facing > > and if they would like to join me to open a shop in Portland that > > builds and supports Linux based desktop systems for people? To be > > successful, I need a computer engineer that can do hardware selection > > and physical builds. I want to specialize on the software side. There > > are a few companies elsewhere that do Linux laptops and desktops, but > > they are elsewhere. I want to open an actual shop here in Portland. > > Maybe hosting is something the shop can do as well. Thankfully, some > > recruiters are interested in me. Sadly, I can't produce experience > > out of thin air. I have a lot of talent, but I need hands on > > experience. I need a good partner one that does hardware with a > > speciality in Linux compatability. What I'm proposing instead of > > continuing to look for a job is to start a business and find a > > partner. I understand that there are venture capital firms in > > Portland. Anyone interested? > > > > -- Michael C. Robinson > _______________________________________________ > PLUG-jobs mailing list > PLUG-jobs at lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-jobs > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: