[PLUG-TALK] Re: [PLUG-TALK] Erotik ürün ve video cd ler
Jeme A Brelin
jeme at brelin.net
Sun Nov 10 13:03:52 UTC 2002
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Russ Johnson wrote:
> Ah, but it's NOT under my control. It's under some admins control. I
> don't have access to make the change myself, so the ONLY way it'll get
> changed, is for me to voice my opinion, and the admin to take action.
But you didn't voice your opinion to the admins. I don't know if any of
the admins read this list. However, the admins DO answer mail at
plug-talk-owner at lists.pdxlinux.org and they are on #orlug on
irc.openprojects.net.
And you didn't request an action by anyone at all, you just complained and
expected others to read your complaint and take appropriate action.
There was no request for particular action, no please (indeed, no explicit
plea), and no politeness or respect.
> You can call it a complaint if you want. I call it stating an opinion.
Well, an opinion of disfavor is a complaint. It IS a statement of
opinion, but it's a complaint, too. One is just more specific than
another. Hell, we could just say you wrote words and leave it at that,
but we try to be as specific as is reasonable.
> What action (besides stating my opinion) could I do? I did JUST that. I
> stated my opinion.
You could have ASKED for change. You could have directed that request to
the admins themselves. You could have asked for administrative
privilege. You could have asked who the administrators are and whether or
not it was a good idea to close the list. You could have done a dozen
more effective and polite things.
In other words, you could have been active instead of passive and turned a
bitch into a legitimate attempt to bring change.
> You seemed to take offense at the tone you perceive in the way I
> stated my opinion.
Nope. I take offense at the method you chose to employ in your attempt to
achieve your desired effect. You wanted change, but instead of making
change or even requesting that someone make the change for you, you just
complained about the way things are to everyone on the list with either
the expectation or hope that someone would read the obvious subtext and
make the effort you should have made in the first place to bring about
change. (By the way, that's exactly what John did and you should thank
him for it.)
> That sounds like your problem, not mine.
Rudeness is everyone's problem except the rude person. Hell, that's
practically a definition of rudeness.
J.
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