[PLUG-TALK] No more personal attacks.

[anonymous]

> I can dig that.  I just felt like I was going off on the nature of
people
> in an off-topic kind of way as you often do.

Elitist.  At least I try to say things when I believe a change in
someone's thinking would be good for them unlike what you're doing
here.  Could you resist lobbing an insult just for once?  This
is negative, accusing me of being an off topic junkie.  This is
also damaging to my ability to use plug.  
 
> > The last thing someone who hopes to have a career as a Linux pro
needs
> > is an individual in the local Linux community giving Linux pros an
anti
> > social character.  If Linux is taken to mean job loss for all the
> > incompetents, nobody will want it around.
> 
> Yeah, "the incompetents" are shaking in their boots.  But they should
be
> anyway.

You just proved my point.
 
> > Maybe I should have let it go, though it upsets me that the least
has
> > done to respect what posting without signing and joking that I
should be
> > called Mr. Underhill suggests.
> 
> And what does it suggest?

That I'm not bragging and perhaps not interested in the mission
some people are on to brand me a ranting, homophobic, lunatic.
Mr.Underhill comes from Lord of the Rings, an alias used in an 
attempt to avoid trouble.  The story is deeply moral, though it
is in the mind of Tolkien suffering from a disturbing view of
the ring as a corrupting evil even though the character Frollo
arguably doesn't want to let the evil of this ring affect him.  
 
> It suggests to me that you would have us feign ignorance instead of
> dealing with the concerns straight-on.

What concerns?  Concerns that someone outside your political elite can
use the plug list appropriately despite your opinion of him/her.
Do you solve problems by calling someone names and being joined
by others demanding an apology from that person so that the those
who want their consciences soothed before a much anticipated lynching
will be satisfied?
 
> If you want to establish a new vector for your involvement with this
> community, I would recommend a statement of apology (if you see that
one
> is fitting) and a statement of future intent.  That would be the adult
> thing to do and people could respect that.

One doesn't apologize when apologies aren't needed.  I, as 
probably many with me will agree, don't see plug and plug-talk 
as lists that require adhering to an elitist political view where 
anything a self proclaimed ... wants is gospel.  I don't agree 
to accept and encourage what is commonly seen as foul language. 
I don't agree to hold grudges against subscribers or welcome 
grudges against me as a requirement for plug or plug-talk 
membership.  If everyone has a right to express their opinion, 
then I can and at times arguably should express mine.  I do not 
agree to religious censorship, should I say Happy New Year or I 
hope you had a Merry Christmas it is a complement.  Those who
take it otherwise, that is their own problem.  I am not impressed
with those who try to think of what could insult an individual
on any plug list followed by couching it with phrases such as
you're paranoid or you're homophobic to make darn certain the 
insult is received.

I do not agree that the view rm aliased to rm -i is foolish is
the correct view.  If you alias rm -i to del, you can't implement
another command called del.  It's called an opportunity cost.  
Another factor to consider is that man del will not give the 
rm man page.
 
> Putting on a false moustache and speaking in a funny accent isn't
going to
> fool anybody or win new friends.

Sometimes the best friend is the person who says the things that aren't
popular.  Friends also don't nitpick each other to death.  A friend
wants to influence the will of others for the best, no influence is 
ever absolute though.  God himself has even chosen to exercise less
than an absolute influence.  Exercising a less than perfect influence, 
it sure is sweet when someone agrees with you.
 
> > I'm not on the lists for personal criticism and antagonism.
 
> Well, if you didn't do anything that might spawn criticism, then you
> wouldn't get any.  But I don't think that's really possible for
anyone.

Yes I would.  What could I have said today that merits the level of
criticism I've gotten?   A lot of it is arguably based on past grudges
against me or fear of something I'm trying to say.  People don't speak
perfectly, but treating people like they speak wrong only makes
enemies.  It's better to couch criticism more softly with phrases
such as, "I'm not sure I agree," or, "maybe another viewpoint is
supported by...".  It's more likely to be helpful that way where 
that is your intention, isn't it?