[PLUG-TALK] I don't like a certain change on plug...

[Piet van Weel]

Hey guys...

I just wanted to say "THANK YOU" for keeping this off of the main plug list.

Piet

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: plug-talk-bounces at lists.pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-talk-
>> bounces at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of AthlonRob
>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:32 AM
>> To: Random clatter and time wasting chat
>> Subject: Re: [PLUG-TALK] I don't like a certain change on plug...
>> 
>> On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 22:48 -0800, Russell Senior wrote:
>> > >>>>> "AthlonRob" == AthlonRob  <AthlonRob at axpr.net> writes:
>> >
>> > AthlonRob> 1) PLUG is dominated by far-left bleeding-heart liberals.
>> >
>> > Also called "educated people".  People with graduate or professional
>> > degrees preferred Kerry 2 to 1.  Why is that?
>> 
>> People with graduate degrees are often very naive... they tend to have
>> many common characteristics of many far-left liberals, such as never
>> having really had to work for a living because things were generally
>> given to them (be it via welfare or via mommy and daddy) at no cost.
>> They therefore believe things should be given to everybody like that.
>> 
>> Those who work in education, be it Universities or K-12 institutions
>> generally lack maturity.  They work day in and day out with those much
>> younger than they are, leading them to believe that's how the whole
>> world is, or should be.  Life can't be like the 8th grade for everybody
>> their whole lives.  They also generally never got *out* of school and in
>> to the real world.  They also generally spend all day believing they are
>> smarter than almost everybody they interact with, leading to a bit of a
>> superiority complex.
>> 
>> I have respect for people who have mastered their fields.. but assuming
>> because they have mastered some form of education that they are somehow
>> better able to make decisions about what is right or wrong better than
>> anybody else is just stupid in itself.  Earning a degree simply means
>> you were able to play the school game.  It is not a testament to your
>> intelligence, but is rather a testament to your level of knowledge in
>> the area you earned the degree.
>> 
>> > AthlonRob> 2) Nothing you say is going to change anybody's mind about
>> > AthlonRob> politics.
>> >
>> > Just saying it, no.  Backing up what you say with testable evidence,
>> > the odds are better.  Most educated people have been trained in the
>> > scientific method and critical thinking skills, and can use them to
>> > expose "truth".
>> 
>> Unfortunately, many fail to realize how their observation of events is
>> colored by their own person bias.  In the world of politics, this is
>> especially clear.
>> 
>> > AthlonRob> 3) PLUG is supposed to be about *technical* discussion, not
>> > AthlonRob> politics.
>> >
>> > I am not sure about "supposed", but it does seem to be the consensus
>> > view.  Politics as it relates to free software does seem to be fair
>> > game.
>> 
>> Fair enough.
>> 
>> Either way, the main list was never meant as a means for people to get
>> up on their soap boxes and rant about their personal political views as
>> they pertain to things other than free software.
>> 
>> > AthlonRob> 4) Two wrongs rarely make a right.
>> >
>> > That's what I teach my children.  It is an idea Jesus, among others,
>> > talked about.  Bush seems to think one unilateral wrong (e.g. killing
>> > random brown people) makes a right, though.  Not sure where Jesus came
>> > down on that issue, though I have my inklings.
>> 
>> I believe "two wrongs rarely make a right" in the context of Michael
>> ranting on because Jeme ranted.... clogging the list because somebody
>> else did doesn't make it right.
>> 
>> Your Bush comment shows your ignorance about current world events.  You
>> may wish to think about things more before posting stupid comments such
>> as that.
>> 
>> The war in Iraq wasn't about two wrongs making a right, it was about
>> trying to stop a bad situation (an ongoing wrong) with a less-bad
>> situation.  In the real world (you may try visiting some time), some bad
>> things must happen to stop other bad things.  Sometimes you have to pick
>> between the lesser of two evils.
>> 
>> --
>> Rob                                |  If not safe,
>>    Jabber: athlonrob at axpr.net   |    one can never be free.
>> 
>> 
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