[PLUG-TALK] Should political policy be set based on religious views?

Someone plug_1 at robinson-west.com
Sat Jan 3 06:27:58 UTC 2009


On Fri, 2009-01-02 at 21:29 -0800, David Fierbaugh wrote:
> Should political policies be set based upon religious views? Many of
> the recent conversations on this list boil down to this one point. I
> don't fault someone for speaking their mind, on either side of the
> topic. But this one point is where it all comes down to. 
> 
> There is a religious point of view that says that homosexuality is a
> sin. This point can not be argued, it's clear that some religions feel
> this way. It's equally obvious that some religions don't feel this
> way, and even within religions, they can't always agree on it.
> 
> But the fact remains that legislation prohibiting homosexual marriage
> or acts based upon religious viewpoints are against the separation of
> church and state that is a pretty foundational concept to the
> principals of this nation. In much the same way as people may publish
> material I object to, and speak out for/against things I object to
> because they have a freedom of speech, even if what they say is
> against my religious ideals.
> 
> People may continue to spout off for either side, it's their right to
> speak their minds.
> 
> People may not however try to impose laws on others based on their own
> religious beliefs. People have given their lives to protect this
> country from that, and will continue to do so. I will stand firm and
> fight any political action based upon religious views, even if the
> policy aligns with my own religious views, it's still wrong.

This reply is fundamentally flawed.  Read by Jimmy Akin.  Homosexual
marriage is a fantasy, a fiction.  Nothing can or will make it 
anything else.  There, a non religious argument.  The state has no 
right to impose "homosexual marriage" against a religion.  To do so
is establishing a religion.  If the state does impose civil unions
and homosexual marriage, it doesn't make these any less a fantasy.
Real marriage must be defended for the good of society.

There is no sexual complementarity between two men or two women,
short of a sex change operation which the public should not have
to pay for.  Anatomically, men are designed to mate with women
and nothing has changed that in over 5k years of human history.

Gay marriage is not a civil rights issue, it is a fiction.  The
homosexual tendency is often cureable and it should be 
cured whenever possible.  Those who are affected need prayer 
and treatment, not we approve of your delusion.  This would
be a good time to read a homosexual's opposition to the
homosexual lifestyle.




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