[PLUG-TALK] Credibility...

[Michael Robinson]

On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 20:24 -0800, Jason Dagit wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Michael Robinson
> <plug_1 at robinson-west.com> wrote:
>         
>         Karl Keating on what it means to respect homosexuals:
>         http://www.catholic.com/newsletters/kke_040629.asp
> 
> Karl Keating says this:
>         1. No one is born homosexual, just as no one is born an
>         alcoholic. There may be a genetic tendency toward
>         homosexuality in some people, just as there seems to be a
>         genetic susceptibility to alcoholism among certain ethnic
>         groups (such as the Irish, Scandinavians, Russians, and
>         American Indians).
> 
> How is Karl's explanation of alcoholism in ethnic groups different
> than racism?  What I mean is, I would like to give Karl the benefit of
> the doubt but I'm unclear as to what fine line he must be walking
> between statistics, biology and racism.  Anyone?
> 
> Jason
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The term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion,
restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or
ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing
the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human
rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social,
cultural or any other field of public life. '[1]

Saying that American Indians are more susceptible to 
alcoholism than Caucasians of European descent is not 
racist, it's a fact.  It's one of the reason why 
Native Americans and smart Caucasians for that matter
should be especially careful with alcohol.  The latter 
is not racist, it is good sound advice.  Nowhere in 
Karl's statement did he say, being prone to 
alcoholism makes Native Americans less human than 
other ethnic groups, something that actually is a 
racist statement.  You have abused the term racism 
before Jason, I tire of you doing this.

If you tell a man enough times, "when are you going to 
stop beating your wife," the only choice the man has 
is to say immediately because you won't believe that he 
in fact isn't beating his wife and effectively you won't
stop terrorizing him.  This is the tactic that 
is used by some radical feminists and some radical gay 
advocates.  It is a very cruel tactic.  It attempts to
break down the critical person by attacking him/her
with the label oppressor.  Few issues are totally
black and white.  A person who is against homosexual
sex is clearly not guranteed to be anti homosexuals.
Like Karl said, most people will avoid homosexuals.