[PLUG-TALK] Alan Turing is an isolated tragedy...

[David Fierbaugh]

Please elaborate on why hermaphrodites are an unimportant exception.

It appears that you are summarily dismissing them from the discussion just
because they don't fit neatly into your accepted definitions of what should
and shouldn't be.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Michael Robinson
<plug_1 at robinson-west.com>wrote:

>
> On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 02:49 -0800, Ronald Chmara wrote:
> > I am curious as to Mr. Robinson's opinion on XXY people (those born
> > with both typically "male", and "female", chromosomes), as well as XX
> > people born with penises, and XY people born with vaginas, and the
> > whole range of other human variants of varying gender (joined twins,
> > women with testicles, etc.)
> >
> > The reason: The terms "male" and "female" seem to have been tossed
> > around a lot, without any clear definition, as have the terms
> > "homosexual" and "heterosexual".
> >
> > It's very "dark-ages", pre-science, pre-genetics..... let alone DNA.
> > While it makes for interesting fodder for the under-12 set, I should
> > hope that most adults in the US have had a basic elementary school
> > science education.
> >
> > Example issue: are two intersex people, or slugs, or whatever, with
> > both functioning penises and vaginas, considered homosexual if they
> > sleep together?
> >
> >
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> There are certain assumptions that need to be recognized
> or communication is impossible.
>
> 1)  I am talking about humans, not slugs or any other animal or plant
>    for that matter.
>
> 2)  I realize there is DNA, it just isn't relevant to the discussion
>    of homosexuality because there is no gay gene.  At most, there
>    are genetic factors that make homosexuality more likely given
>    a favorable environment.
>
> 3)  Hermaphrodites are infertile.  There is a definite gender that
>    they identify with.  Nobody feels that they are both a woman
>    and a man.  Hermaphrodites are also rare and the unimportant
>    exception.
>
> 4)  Male defines a man who is XY without any genetic malformations
>    of his testicles.  He has the correct amount of testosterone
>    and other male sex hormones in his system.
>
> 5)  Female defines a woman who is XX without any genetic malformations
>    of her genitalia and breasts.  She has the correct amount of
>    progesterone and other female sex hormones in her system.
>
> Homosexuality is not genetic.  Knowledge gained in  a lifetime isn't a
> genetic phenomenon either.  Many preferences that people develop are
> not genetic.
>
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