[PLUG-TALK] Irony repeats
Ted Mittelstaedt
tedm at portlandia-it.com
Mon May 20 18:13:37 UTC 2024
You do realize do you not that the "millennium old political and social
infrastructure of these countries" was terrifically repressive towards women
and, in fact, towards a LOT of people. Slavery, among other things, was
legal. Prostitution was legal and if you were a woman in a relationship
where your husband was beating you then you couldn't divorce - or if you
did, you were unmarriable and had to go to the brothels to live.
MOST people lived in poverty and life was NOT very pleasant for them.
You have a rose-colored liberal progressive view of what life was actually
like. Those societies were static because you had a few people on top of
the pile using money and military might to repress a ton of other people.
They were not static and peaceful because the majority of people LIKED
living like that. Most of them hated it but could not do anything about it.
" I think they have other reasons to not like western countries and folks
allied to us"
And yet when you read the many years of National Geographic articles and
many other articles written in the Mid East such as in papers like Al
Jazeera you will find that the rank and file PEOPLE who live in those
societies don't actually hate western countries and instead want to emulate
them. It is their LEADERS that hate Westernized thought - because
Westernized thought destroys those leaders absolute hold on power.
" the lid on 'excessive babymaking' is due to the current reproductive age
generation not having a good outlook on the future"
Good outlook on WHAT future? A future where you can have unlimited numbers
of babies and the State will take responsibility for educating them so they
can have productive jobs in the economy? Yes. That ship has sailed.
A future where if you and your wife are professional-level workers making a
professional-level salary you CAN afford to send TWO or possibly THREE kids
through college and they can graduate with degrees that allow them to
continue on making professional level salaries - ah THAT future is actually
pretty bright and hopeful.
There's plenty of subcultures in the US where this is the case. YOU don't
read studies of those because it's not that common to study successes to
figure out what works, the studies are done on the poor and poverty sector
to try and figure out how to fix poverty. This is a human failing we have.
We tend to pay attention to problems and not pay attention to where there is
no problem.
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: PLUG-talk <plug-talk-bounces at lists.pdxlinux.org> On Behalf Of Eldo
Varghese
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 9:52 AM
To: Off-topic and potentially flammable discussion
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Subject: Re: [PLUG-TALK] Irony repeats
I really should leave these kind of racist thoughts and ideas alone, since
as Shaw says "Never wrestle with pigs, you both get dirty and the pig likes
it".
On 5/17/24 4:26 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> Why go to all that trouble.
>
> Just unplug the camera and let them pontificate. They won't even know
> it's not turned on.
>
> Seriously the issue today, as much as people want to pretend it
> doesn't exist, is simply that of overpopulation.
>
> As the world population grows resources get scarce and people fight
> over them.
>
> The reason Global Warming didn't happen for the first couple hundred
> years of the Industrial Revolution is because the Environment has the
> capability of absorbing and processing quite a lot of pollution.
>
> So you run your lawnmower or car and the plants grow more and use up
> the additional carbon dioxide and you get to pollute
> And the plants get more CO2 Everyone is happy
If the rest of the earth consumed like the US population does, we'd need
5.1 earths (2018 numbers, it's only gotten worse).
US fossil fuel consumption is not sustainable. Plants cant absorb it all.
I'll just leave this link to an appropriate graph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20211026_Cumulative_carbon_dioxide_CO2_em
issions_by_country_-_bar_chart.svg
>
> But today, even though the developed countries (like the United States
> and
> Europe) have put a lid on the excessive babymaking,
https://news.osu.edu/falling-birth-rate-not-due-to-less-desire-to-have-child
ren/
the lid on 'excessive babymaking' is due to the current reproductive age
generation not having a good outlook on the future. Mostly due to the boomer
generation messing up the environmental, financial, social and political
future of this country.
and our native
> populations are either remaining steady or shrinking - the poor
> countries like Mexico have not
>
> And why not? What else is there to do in Mexico but reproduce? It's
> not like there's much future in the country unless your life's goal is
> to raise tomatoes for the US to consume.I think you will find that most
folks dont live to serve the US.
>
> The same goes in Eastern Europe, and in the Mid East. The Mid East
> especially is a horrendously sad place. They have the money coming in
> that every last one of them could be living a wonderful lifestyle,
> with the arts, the sciences, indoor plumbing, modern cities, air
> conditioning, and the rest of it.
What you are describing is colonialism based destruction of the millennium
old political and social infrastructure of these countries due to
colonialism whether modern or otherwise.
But instead they would rather kill each other over a few square
> miles of worthless dirt in Israel that allegedly some guy walked
> around on preaching to people to not kill each other over 2000 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#Release_of_U.S
._government_records_and_official_acknowledgement
I think they have other reasons to not like western countries and folks
allied to us.
>
> So let's get the babymaking cranked up full blast. Gotta keep
> supplying a new crop of cannon fodder for the next generation's war
> that was just the last generation's war and the generations before
> that war. Gotta keep our women pregnant until they all look like worn
> out vacuum sweeper bags, and gotta keep killing off the seed of their
wombs the second it matures.
>
> And when you run out of places to stand no problem just export your
> extra people to the wealthy countries. Why bother making your own
> country wealthy by curbing the breeding. Might get the Catholic God mad
at you.
>
> I'm not a MAGAoot but I definitely understand where the "build the wall"
> sentiment comes from.I dont know if you are a MAGAhat or not, but your
> ideas seem very
similar to other MAGAhats. Including this particularly xenophobic one.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-16/trump-s-border-wall-is-a-
monument-to-white-supremacy
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PLUG-talk <plug-talk-bounces at lists.pdxlinux.org> On Behalf Of
> Keith Lofstrom
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 11:40 PM
> To: Off-topic and potentially flammable discussion
> <plug-talk at lists.pdxlinux.org>
> Subject: Re: [PLUG-TALK] Irony repeats
>
> Politics, feh. Liberal, Conservative, Progressive?
>
> I'm an Engineer. I don't think anyone should pontificate in front of
> a television camera who cannot repair one.
>
> I'm not a "Political activist", or I would arrange things so that
> camera repair was necessary.
>
> Keith L.
>
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