[PLUG] Slightly OT: PCC software engineering program

[Steven D. Coffman]

Jason,
What are your marketable skill sets? Anything in the MySQL (database
design), Java, PHP areas? Reply off-line if you wish.

Steven D. Coffman
Director
Electronic Commerce & Business Intelligence
TradeTrans, Inc. - Intelligent Electronic Commerce 

Phone:     (503) 601-0037
E-Mail:    s.coffman at tradetrans.net
Website:  http://www.tradetrans.net 

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[mailto:plug-admin at lists.pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Jason Van Cleve
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 6:04 AM
To: plug at lists.pdxlinux.org
Subject: Re: [PLUG] Slightly OT: PCC software engineering program

Mr. Coffman,

I got the impression that the CS program there wasn't very strong.  The
CSET course I took, though, was not easily "slid" through.  After the
first couple of terms, some 70% of my class had dropped out, which was
common.  There were some dull and underqualified instructors, but Prof.
Hanna laid out the material in such a way that we learned some good OO
development theory before getting too wrapped up in code.  I considered
that a blessing as I progressed in my career.  It may surprise you how
many "coders" don't understand design, or don't design at all.

Then again, I have a clue, but I still don't have a job. . . .

--Jason Van Cleve


On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:04:23 -0700
Steve Coffman <divinstr at dsl-only.net> wrote:

> Sorry Jason.
> I was out of work for 23 months. I'm now working on a 1099 for $20 hr,
> from my previous job at $140k. Happy to have it right now!
> My brother-in-law went to PCC and got his Associates in CS. He had 1
> 6mo job installing Win 2k for the Water Dept. Hasn't worked since and
> to be honest, PCC didn't really prepare him with any real skill sets
> that are needed in todays market. Of course he just "slid" through the
> program, but there were not any checks and balances on the program or
> the "councilor" he had to advise him properly. When I went to PCC in
> the early 70's, everyone had some decent skill sets to gain
> employment. I went to PCC again during my first year of being
> unemployed to upgrade some of my skills. The classes were fine, just
> not aggressive enough to help students get the tools they need.
> 
> Good Luck and Good Hunting.
> 
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