[PLUG] How we treat the homeless...

Mon Sep 23 02:06:15 UTC 2019

Not sure why the homelessness is a topic on PLUG, unless they are homeless
because they don't have an IPv6 address.

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 6:51 PM Mike C. <mconnors1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 4:27 PM <plug-request at pdxlinux.org> wrote:
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> >    1. Re: IP tracking (Ben Koenig)
> >    2. Re: How we treat the homeless... (John Jason Jordan)
> >    3. Re: PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM (Denis Heidtmann)
> >    4. Re: How we treat the homeless.. (Mike C.)
> >    5. Re: IP tracking (Rich Shepard)
> >    6. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Jim Karlock)
> >    7. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Michael Barnes)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:01:29 -0700
> > From: Ben Koenig <techkoenig at gmail.com>
> > To: plug at pdxlinux.org
> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] IP tracking
> > Message-ID: <91a83375-0762-259a-9a7e-0d4033387ec2 at gmail.com>
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> >
> > On 9/22/19 10:41 AM, Thomas Groman wrote:
> > > ... When it comes to calendering, NextCloud is great
> > > for this. It can provide both a web interface and CalDav services for
> > > integration within Thunderbird, CalCurse-caldav, android, or anything
> > > else than handles caldav...
> >
> > You make some good points, but also demonstrate the level to which
> > google is embedded in software development. In recommending ways to get
> > away from google's tracking, you mentioned compatibility with Android,
> > which renders all efforts to afford the problem meaningless. Tracking
> > that is baked into the OS affects all apps running within that OS, so
> > you have to stop using android. Also stop mentioning it.
> >
> >
> > Not that I'm the best example of this, writing from my gmail account.
> >
> >
> > Another example of OS-level integration is systemd. systemd defaults to
> > google's nameservers when no others are provided. It's a fallback
> > mechanism if standard DNS configuration fails, and is implemented at
> > compile time. Like you mentioned, it's more than just IP tracking, you
> > need to start rejecting entire chunks of your OS stack if you want to
> > actually get away from google's profile building.
> >
> >
> > It's pretty disgusting these days. Distros like Debian and Ubuntu
> > working behind the scenes to sell out the community. Even Mozilla links
> > up with all those API's, making a weak claim that their use for tracking
> > is totally different from everyone else's. They still send data to
> > google servers....
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:17:39 -0700
> > From: John Jason Jordan <johnxj at gmx.com>
> > To: plug at pdxlinux.org
> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...
> > Message-ID: <20190922131739.1fda6333 at Devil-Bonobo>
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> > On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT)
> > Rich Shepard <rshepard at appl-ecosys.com> dijo:
> >
> > >This is a continuing, higly complex problem that has no simple
> > >resolution.
> >
> > +1
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 14:06:58 -0700
> > From: Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtmann at gmail.com>
> > To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" <plug at pdxlinux.org>
> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM
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> > FWIIW, PSU has done the same thing with the doors in SB1, even though
> there
> > is a business operating in that building.  I once had to let in one of
> > their customers.
> > -Denis
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 7:17 PM Russell Senior <
> russell at personaltelco.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I am a fan of Portland State as a venue. Firstly, we've been there
> > forever,
> > > b) their mission includes engaging with the community (not least
> because
> > > it's a service to their students); and iii) it's got a good central
> > > location with good transportation options. I suggest we picket the PSU
> > > administration building; second I suggest we investigate whether a room
> > in
> > > a different building might work. I recall we were in Smith for quite a
> > > while before moving to the Engineering building.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 4:27 PM Vince Winter <
> vince.winter at freegeek.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey,
> > > >
> > > > I can try to convince free geek to host on Sundays during the day
> > > 11am-5pm
> > > > area? They maybe open to that.
> > > >
> > > > Have you tried reaching out to the campus security to see if they
> would
> > > be
> > > > open to having someone help with door between 645 to 715?
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 4:53 PM Michael Dexter <dexter at pdxlinux.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you everyone who pointed out a few odd elements about the
> last
> > > > > meeting, none of which were the fact that I was not there.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. The room change was temporary. Whew!
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Thanks to the homeless abusing PSU resources, the engineering
> > > > > building will be locking its doors at 5:30PM starting next month.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is sounds minor but the "answer" is to have someone at the
> door
> > > who
> > > > > can identify PLUG attendees (not necessarily easy) and not allow in
> > > > > anyone who should not enter (also not easy). This door guard would
> > also
> > > > > ideally hang around for 15 or so minutes to accommodate late
> > arrivals.
> > > > >
> > > > > I personally do not want PLUG members to be in the campus security
> > > > > business given that it could incur liability should they fail to
> > comply
> > > > > with the school's security policies they are expected to enforce.
> > > > >
> > > > > PLUG has been at PSU for over 20 years and venues of this quality
> do
> > > not
> > > > > come easily.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please share your ideas on how we can work around this new
> > restriction!
> > > > >
> > > > > Please also share your ideas on venues should a solution not
> present
> > > > > itself. The ideal venue, like PSU:
> > > > >
> > > > > * Is central with good public transportation access
> > > > > * Is free of charge
> > > > > * Is not dependent on a staff attendant unless they are guaranteed
> to
> > > be
> > > > > there for other reasons
> > > > > * Has good lighting
> > > > > * Has a good projector
> > > > > * Has affordable, safe parking for those who cannot take public
> > > > > transportation
> > > > > * Has good WiFI and optional Ethernet Internet access
> > > > > * Has good food options on site or nearby
> > > > >
> > > > > Free Geek is a highly-sympathetic venue but does not meet all of
> > these
> > > > > criteria.
> > Actually it is a very simple, two tiered, problem:
> >
> > 1. Cost of housing is ONLY in areas with severe restrictions on building
> > on unused land. In Oregon & Washington it is Urban Grown
> > Boundaries. They have doubled cost of rents/ housing. Simple economics -
> > they create a shortage of land, which drives up the
> > price. In Portland's low income are, Lents, a parcel recently sold for
> ONE
> > MILLION/ acra which is about $125,000 for a 5000 sf empty
> > lot. Portland adds at lease $50,000 to that for permission to build. When
> > you start with almost $200,000 in cost BEFORE building anything,
> > you cannot build affordable houses.
> >
>
> Yes but also Oregon & Texas are the only 2 states that don't have
> "Inclusionary Housing" laws that require developers to build a certain
> number of affordable / low income units. More info here,
>
> https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2015/04/after_years_of_trying_inclusio.html
>
>
>
> > 2. People who simply cannot afford rent, end up living with friends,
> > sharing an apartment, living in a camper or moving to another area. There
> > are many successful services for this group. They generally do not end up
> > in tests surrounded by needles.
> >
> > Yes, "generally" as far as generalizations go.
>
> 3. Tent people are about 50-80% drug/alcohol addicts, some mentally ill
> > that probably should be in institutions, and criminals who no one
> > will rent to.
> >
>
> I've heard a variety of life stories and personally know a lot people from
> all walks of life. We also have housed & employed drug addicts, alcoholics,
> criminals and sociopaths. One of who resides in the grandest house of all
> at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
>
> These aspects of human experience aren't the exclusive domain of the
> homeless.
>
>
> > You may have noted an increase in people doing absolutely crazy things
> > described as a mental health crisis - mostly illegal drug use.
> >
> > View Seattle is Dying on YouTube for one viewpoint on the problem.
> >
> > I've seen it, wasn't impressed by nor did I agree wit it because it
> doesn't address the root cause of alcohol, drug, tobacco and other
> addictions. Most often addiction is the result of trauma, abuse, social
> disconnection in which their basic human needs aren't being met and mental
> illness such as depression in which people are simply seeking a respite
> from their own suffering not unlike many housed people do when they drink
> and adult beverage, partake of the herb or otherwise entertain/distract
> themselves in the privacy of their own home.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
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