[PLUG] Mozilla Firefox, Cloudflare DNS Resolver and Digital Citizenship

[wes]

it is probably time to move any further responses on the topic of
censorship to plug-talk.

-wes

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 4:41 PM Chuck Hast <wchast at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is particularly bizarre, as in my small enclave out in
> OKC OK I can see both sides of the conversation quite
> well. Too bad that more folks in this country cannot carry
> on like this, we would have a much different society. That
> aside, I do wonder why Ben cannot see Mike's responses.
>
> Censorship, in my view even when it is supposedly to protect
> from this or that horrid concept or idea is a slippery slope
> that tends to always end up in a place none of us want to
> go to.  Agree that many of us need to be more civil in our
> disagreements, but at the same time, it is evil that some
> entities can censor something just because it does not fit the
> narrative. I hope that this can be corrected, again if more
> of the folks in this country would try to disagree in a civil
> manner and we would all be winners. And at the same time
> bring to shame those who censor regardless of the theme.
>
> I remember the time when folks would say "I may not agree
> with what you say but I will fight to the death to defend your
> right to say it". I fear we have lost that concept.
>
> Have a great time and above all ENJOY!!
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 5:09 PM Russell Senior <russell at personaltelco.net>
> wrote:
>
> > What is particularly bizarre is that both you (Ben) and Mike are emailing
> > from protonmail. Maybe proton is filtering messages from proton addresses
> > that aren't delivered directly, but are mediated through a mailing list
> > reflector.
> >
> > --
> > Russell Senior
> > russell at personaltelco.net
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 11:33 PM Ben Koenig <techkoenig at protonmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Not to derail someone else's conversation here, but I can't help but
> > point
> > > out the absurd circumstances surrounding this message.
> > >
> > > From my perspective, you have provided a very spirited response to
> what I
> > > can only guess was Mike's critique of your attitude towards censorship.
> > > Looks like he might have been trying to set the record straight, but of
> > > course I'll never know because I never saw his email show up on this
> > list.
> > >
> > > And, as it turns out after a quick review of PLUG's email archives,
> I've
> > > not received any of the emails he has sent to this list. If I wasn't
> the
> > > type of person who enjoys investigating discrepencies in a repeating
> > > pattern then I would probably just continue my life of blissful
> ignorance
> > > in a world where "MC_Sequoia <mcsequoia at protonmail.com>" does not
> exist,
> > > and "American Citizen <website.reader3 at gmail.com>" is just some random
> > > internet weirdo who responds to imaginary messages.
> > >
> > > Funny isn't it, the conclusions we can come to when communication
> breaks
> > > down? I could assume that I'm being targeted for my anti-google views
> or
> > I
> > > could shrug it off as some minor technical mishap. Or I could assume
> > > nothing and send a message to the relevant support group and make it
> > their
> > > problem. Kind of sucks to be in that situation where I'm just stuck
> > between
> > > two organizations with no personal control over either. I am at the
> mercy
> > > of the PLUG List admins and Proton Mail support team. Yayyyyyyyy....
> > >
> > > I just think it's amusing to see a conversation about censorship get
> > > "censored". Clearly someone doesn't want me to see Mike's opinions on
> > this
> > > subject. #SARCASM
> > > -Ben
> > >
> > >
> > > ------- Original Message -------
> > > On Sunday, January 15th, 2023 at 7:21 PM, American Citizen <
> > > website.reader3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello Mike:
> > > >
> > > > My post has engendered quite a response. I appreciate that you are
> > > > willing to go through with a fine toothed comb to get to the bottom
> of
> > > > everything.
> > > >
> > > > I am willing to be corrected. I trust that what I have said does not
> > > > come over with a air of self-righteousness (or virtue signaling)
> > > >
> > > > I apologize and ask to retract my statement "force" inferring that
> COO
> > > > Michelle Zatlyn said that, as that is not true as you have pointed
> out.
> > > > Thank you for correcting this misstatement. Actually when I composed
> my
> > > > post, I thought I might be making a mistake here.
> > > >
> > > > Please listen to
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/wef/schwab-wants-a-digital-citizenship-to-use-the-internet/
> > > > at 1 min 20 secs into this interview where Cloudflare COO Michelle
> > > > Zatlyn stumbled around saying "better digital citizenship" but she
> > wants
> > > > everyone in the world to embrace digital citizenship. This is pretty
> > > > plain from what she said.
> > > >
> > > > I am NOT unaware of the goals of the WEF community to establish the
> > > > digital citizenship requirements (see https://www.dqindex.org/en/)
> > > >
> > > > But I am NOT in favor of unelected people to have the final say so as
> > to
> > > > who is allowed to say so on the internet and who can be censored. I
> > > > trust that you agree with this. We need to have an open discussion
> > about
> > > > who we are allowing to have the final word and why we believe this.
> > > >
> > > > The past 2 or 3 weeks, I have carefully documenting censorship via
> the
> > > > major search engines and this is an alarming discovery which should
> > > > concern everyone on the planet. I did NOT ask to be censored from
> > > > certain websites, such as the United States Geological Survey, yet
> here
> > > > I am. And I did NOT ask certain topics on the search engines to be
> > > > censored, but this has occurred.
> > > >
> > > > We need to have free and open discussions, not be censored by some
> > > > entity based in the United Nations or elsewhere claiming that they
> have
> > > > the last word. This is assuming authority.
> > > >
> > > > I appreciate that you have taken the time to carefully respond.
> > > >
> > > > And I agree with you that trust begins with an honest intention to
> have
> > > > an open-minded discussion based upon facts, data and sound logic.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your post. It is appreciated by me.
> > > >
> > > > Randall
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> Chuck Hast  -- KP4DJT --
> I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
> Ph 4:13 KJV
> Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
> Fil 4:13 RVR1960
>